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thorn mango
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people say,classic was"all about the community" in this day and age as u said we're so used to the QOL changes,the classic community will eat itself out within the first 6 months. any longer then that i'll be shocked

warm plinth
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So like there won't be diminishing returns on hardly anything in PvP 😂

oblique garnet
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The raids wont need 40 man

warm plinth
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Warlock eternal fear

narrow abyss
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Everyone’s so used to queue matched gameplay in general they’re not gonna want to travel 30 min to uldaman after spending 30 minutes finding a group in trade chat

shut leaf
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With the weirdest patch progression I’ve ever seen

oblique garnet
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People are way better at the game than before

shut leaf
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uh oh I’m afraid I started something uhh

drowsy relic
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Yeah how is classic gonna work if the mechanics are soo basic back in those dungeons and raids lol

thorn mango
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@shut leaf the "patch progression" in classic is supposed to be how the raids and stuff was released when this game first came out if i remember the blue post

warm plinth
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Not to mention the amount of time it took to do some of those old school dungeons

drowsy relic
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Where’s the content

oblique garnet
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Black rock depths 8)

warm plinth
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Maraudon is actually 1 dungeon, not 3 parts. Same with Dire Maul and BRD

shut leaf
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they had this weird four stage progression idea announced at blizzcon @thorn mango

warm plinth
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BRD was a 1.5 hour clear with an amazing group back in the day

thorn mango
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@warm plinth UBRS was also considered one dungeonn,you just needed the key to go upper

shut leaf
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Which isn’t close to enough

warm plinth
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Well in 1.12 wasn't it a 10-man as well?

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UBRS I mean

shut leaf
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think so yeah

oblique garnet
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1.5 hours if your group was amazing

warm plinth
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And yeah it was LBRS and UBRS in the same thing.

narrow abyss
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Idk how u guys remember patch numbers

shut leaf
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both or something like that

oblique garnet
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if

shut leaf
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When you’re so devoted to a game

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You just remember

drowsy relic
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What 10 man comp lol? 1 tank 2 healers 7dps?

warm plinth
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Yeah, if your group sucked it could be an 8 hour ordeal where you replace each member three times by the group leader hearthing to Stormwind/Orgrimmar and advertising in trade for 30 minutes to find a replacement.

shut leaf
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I think you brought an off tank

inland mesa
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2 3 5

shut leaf
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I wasn’t leader tho so I don’t remember comps

warm plinth
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No dual spec in 1.12 🤢

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Or even respec

oblique garnet
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Yeah worldcrusher can you think of anyone who would actually enjoy doing that again?

shut leaf
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No there was respec

inland mesa
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31/20/0 or gtfo

warm plinth
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Was respec already out? I know that was pretty early

shut leaf
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Ye gold respec

warm plinth
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But you paid gold in the major cities to do it, and it cost more each time

oblique garnet
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Blizzard will 100% add dungeon finder in the game after like couple of months

shut leaf
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Yup

narrow abyss
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There was no dual spec at all in vanilla. Just hold respect that maxed out at 50g per change

warm plinth
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I sure as hell wouldn't enjoy that.

narrow abyss
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Gold

shut leaf
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Nope

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Especially as a hybrid class

narrow abyss
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My piggy bank remembers

warm plinth
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Yeah, I do remember dual spec was introduced in TBC

inland mesa
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Farm 100g to get mount speed and like it

shut leaf
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I thought it was WotLK

thorn mango
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@oblique garnet if that happens classic is pretty much DOA,because your going to piss off all the people who dont want that stuff,there wont be coming back

warm plinth
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I'm pretty sure it was in TBC. Tbf that was like 12 fucking years ago so

narrow abyss
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I used to farm eye of shadows

warm plinth
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I don't remember everything

narrow abyss
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And sell them for 200-300g a pop

shut leaf
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Yeah I think it was WotLK for like 1k gold or some crazy amount

narrow abyss
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Split with a healer

shut leaf
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Wasn’t too much then

warm plinth
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Yeah it was 1k at level 40 I think?

gaunt belfry
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Blizzard already mentioned that they wouldn’t add Dungeon finder in didnt they? Wasn’t that Ions whole arguement when he said you think you want it, but you really don’t

shut leaf
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But it could’ve been more

warm plinth
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Or 30

shut leaf
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Yeah

warm plinth
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1k was a lot then though

shut leaf
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@gaunt belfry yeah they did

warm plinth
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I mean, not for some people, but for the average player it was definitely a barrier

oblique garnet
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@thorn mango the thing is people who still play wow wont enjoy the classic style where you spend eternity finding people to replace that one guy who had to go people who havent played maybe do

thorn mango
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@gaunt belfry yeah thats what has been confirmed for classic,because dungeon finder wasnt in till late wraith

shut leaf
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1k wasn’t too much by Wrath I don’t think

gaunt belfry
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Vanilla was rough, I remember wearing greens and whit me gear while leveling in vanilla

warm plinth
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I was always the poor dude back in those days (still am, relatively)

narrow abyss
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Haha wonder what people will do in a world without dailies

shut leaf
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Sameeee

narrow abyss
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And no reliable gold income

shut leaf
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Play the auction house

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Raid

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PvP

oblique garnet
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Same as they do now

warm plinth
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When epic flying came out and it was 5000 gold I was like fuuuuuuuck, I'm never getting that

shut leaf
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What they normally do

oblique garnet
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Sell boosts

gaunt belfry
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Not being able to max level with questline until AQ came out

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Good times

oblique garnet
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Farm mats

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For gold

shut leaf
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Selling boosts will prolly be in classic tbh lmao

thorn mango
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@oblique garnet yeah i know,but blizzard wont add in dungeon finder to classic,because they wont beable to win. your going to piss off all the people who joined the server not for that.which is classics main selling point"to go back to the begining"

warm plinth
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In fact I got epic flying for the first time on my druid, only because the flight form quest made it free 😂

shut leaf
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people would sell Mara runs

gaunt belfry
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No chance they will sell boosts in classic either

shut leaf
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not level boosts

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Dungeon boosts

oblique garnet
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Blizzard cant win no matter what they fo

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They will piss off people by not adding the dungeon finder anyways

gaunt belfry
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It’s going to be a raw vanilla experience that most people can’t remember or most didn’t experience

shut leaf
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If people want dungeon finder they can play BFA

warm plinth
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I do think it'll be a lot more successful if they remain 100% true to the time than if they try to fit in the contemporary QoL improvements

oblique garnet
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There will be posts about people complaining about it not being in it

shut leaf
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It’s for the people that don’t want it

oblique garnet
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I just dont see the appeal for classic

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Like why would you want it

narrow abyss
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Me neither

warm plinth
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Nostalgia goggles. That's the appeal.

narrow abyss
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College me loved it

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I couldn’t play it now

warm plinth
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I fucking adored classic when it was current but there's no way in hell I'd voluntarily go back.

inland mesa
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Back when your reputation on server mattered and the wow forums were comedy

shut leaf
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They still are comedy

oblique garnet
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What forums xD

warm plinth
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Yeah, but it's more like you're laughing-crying now

gaunt belfry
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Classic servers are not going to last. As sad as that sounds they won’t. Nobody understands the trouble of 40 man raiding and how much of a grind it will be to get your FR gear

shut leaf
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Well I mean

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I don’t know if I can legally say this but

oblique garnet
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Draenor forums didnt get a single response from blizzard despite being down for the first 4 hours of bfa launch

shut leaf
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If you wanna see proof in success just look at most

warm plinth
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Hey man, resist gear still exists

shut leaf
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Nost*

oblique garnet
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You wont need 40 man for raids

shut leaf
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there’s a community for this game

oblique garnet
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I guarantee it

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The mechanics are simpler

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Than now

inland mesa
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You could troll people and knew who they were on your server or call people out in pvp, and now it's like damn you ragnaros learn engrish

shut leaf
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For some bosses you don’t need 40 people

oblique garnet
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Pcs are better so youre not running in there with 3 fps

shut leaf
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People can do onyxia with like 30 I think prolly less

warm plinth
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No dial-up raiders 😢

gaunt belfry
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Yeah Nost is very successful and I hope blizzard servers will be equally successful. I just don’t have high hopes. But when they come out with a WotLK classic server I am gonna be soooooo inside that

inland mesa
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Everyone turn down particles to low so rag spawning the adds doesn't lag you out

shut leaf
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I just want TBC fam

oblique garnet
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Wotlk tbc sure

gaunt belfry
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I mean people were two Manning Ony back in the day

oblique garnet
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But pure classic?

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Hell no

shut leaf
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That progression chart is super neat

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Classic’s something I could prolly dig

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The world feels so big

gaunt belfry
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Prot warr with thunderfury and a priest with benediction game over

shut leaf
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Wonder who the new scarab lords will be

warm plinth
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A thunderfury link is gonna be the first thing said in chat when the servers open.

shut leaf
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Prolly lmao

inland mesa
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Server first ashkandi \o/

warm plinth
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And if the first Barrens message isn't either a Chuck Norris joke or someone asking where Mankrik's wife is, then why even fucking bother

oblique garnet
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Scarab lord will be those who actually are interested in it

shut leaf
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I’m not gonna play classic unless we get achievements that give me mounts in retail!!11!1!1

warm plinth
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Speaking of scarab lord, can you get the title and mount and have it carry over to retail?

oblique garnet
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No

shut leaf
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that’d ruin its legacy

oblique garnet
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Separate games

thorn mango
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@warm plinth its already been said that nothing from retail will carry to classic,and vice versa

oblique garnet
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No shared achievements

shut leaf
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so tbh glad they’re not doing that

warm plinth
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Gotcha

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Yeah that's actually a good thing

shut leaf
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ye you can be a scarab lord in classic tho lmao

warm plinth
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We're gonna start seeing auctions pop up for scarab lord accounts again XD

shut leaf
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wOOOO

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4000 dollar account

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prolly banned in ten days

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buy now

oblique garnet
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Id sell my character in a heartbeat if i got offered 4k

shut leaf
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some guy with dual warglaives sold his for 10k

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back in TBC

oblique garnet
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Method player btw

gaunt belfry
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Some guy did the same for 15k with Shadowmourne

shut leaf
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B)

thorn mango
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is the gate opening event even something they said they'd do for classic? cause thats going to probbly lag out every server that goes to silithus lmao,even withy better pcs nowadays u have 200+ per server in one area,shits going to crash

shut leaf
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I wonder how leggos will work in BFA

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If they don’t that’d give pretty bad PR

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That’s one of the best things about Classic

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the opening of the gates

oblique garnet
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Im surprised that there hasnt been a single legendary item announced for bfa

shut leaf
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I know and it’s already 8.1

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I’d love an orange boi

sick sentinel
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pls no mop/wod leggos

thorn mango
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we had too many in legion,far too many,maybe they decided to forgo legendaries

warm plinth
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I really hope there aren't any tbh

shut leaf
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Let’s go back to old style leggos

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Make them feel legendary

oblique garnet
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Cata/wotlk style legendaddys back

sick sentinel
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I would love a shadowmourne/fangs of the father etc

warm plinth
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I could live with like vanilla type legendaries that were stupid hard to get

thorn mango
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@sick sentinel if they were going the ring/cloak route,we would have had the quest at launch. we may not see a single legendary in battle,unless its boss dropped as the old days

sick sentinel
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thunderfury OMEGA

shut leaf
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True

oblique garnet
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There will be legendaries

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Theres no reason to not have them

shut leaf
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I’d love this epic quest to kill a legendary fourty man raid boss to get a new shiny weapon

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Servers prolly couldn’t handle it anymore tho

oblique garnet
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Servers cant handle 10vs10 pvp anymore smh

shut leaf
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:(

oblique garnet
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You get phases out

sweet pike
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CLOUD SERVERS WOOO

thorn mango
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we have sharding now,so they could at least survive i'm sure,as much as people hate sharding,it somewhat helps keep zones stable.........sometimes anyhow

oblique garnet
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And then you have proper 10s delays during the invasions

sweet pike
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Yeah I love getting de-glided on my DH when I'm floating down

shut leaf
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Tf is happening with this game anymore

oblique garnet
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So yeah sure sharding helps lul

shut leaf
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I love the art though

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Gotta hand blizzard that

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Azeroth’s more beautiful than it ever has been

astral crystal
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Ye the terrain design team has gotten better and better

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Environment design whatever

warm plinth
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Only thing we know for sure about legendaries is that they won't be random drops like they were in Legion. Ion already said that before BfA launch.

sweet pike
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First time I saw darkshore, my fucking jaw dropped

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It's absolutely gorgeous

shut leaf
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revenge

daring marlin
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BFA leggos?

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wat?

shut leaf
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yeah duh

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we need to get leggos this coach

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xpac*

daring marlin
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no

shut leaf
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yes

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We got leggos every doc

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xpac*

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Not getting them in BFA would be x.x

daring marlin
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I disagree but alright.

sweet pike
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I liked the playstyle altering aspect of them tbh

shut leaf
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What kind of WoW expansion wouldn’t have legendaries

sweet pike
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was nice

shut leaf
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That’s preposterous

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Well not legionaries

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Legiondaries*

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I just mean general legendaries

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But legiondaries were okay

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Only problem was the acquisition

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Which they fixed after the expansion was over

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And their randomness in nature kinda ruined the legendary feel

sweet pike
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I acknowledge that you could feel really fucked if you got a bad one

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And that my view is a little skewed, as I got the bracers first

shut leaf
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Besides that, legiondaries were neat yeah

sweet pike
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but I enjoyed legiondaries

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as you put it

shut leaf
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Lmao

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It just fits so well

sweet pike
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true

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yeah I got bracers, and half my fucking guild just started freakin out

shut leaf
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I rocked the entirety of legion with trash legendaries

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Made me wanna play super casually but eh I was still tryna find the right class for me then

warm plinth
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I played most of Legion with The Walls Fell and Kakushan's because I got every legendary except the good ones (excluding gloves obviously)

astral crystal
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i got lucky

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got wrists as my first lego, belt as my second, then gloves as my fourth

sick sentinel
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my warrior was my mount farmer in legion because I got boots first

stone cloud
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i got bracers the same day i did mage tower...... like 15 mins after i got appearence i did that days emmisary

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boom bracers

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was chapped

fleet pier
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does anyone like taking Punish for raiding? or is Into The Fray just better in any regard?

hot locust
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Only reason punish would be better is if you are spending a majority of the fight with only 1 stack of ITF.

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(there are no fights like this)

fleet pier
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hehe

sweet pike
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Isn't the DR like 3%

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on punish

sick sentinel
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Yeah

quiet crane
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Never take punish man

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Even if you sick into the fray will be better lol

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Suck

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But you’re a warrior so even if you do you look gooood whilst doing it 😁

daring marlin
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@tight tree

zenith token
astral crystal
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wish we could send creeps to the iso-cubes

tight tree
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So do I.

candid ledge
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Hey all, new to warrior tanking, got a small question. On my prot pally main, azerite veins is considered one of the weaker traits. How come it's S tier for warriors? Is there by any way more procs per minute? or it's because of low self healing?

drowsy relic
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low self healing

quiet crane
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^^^ we have 0 healing our side of a killing blow and the LS CD

hollow zephyr
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is the endless hunger trait actually good?

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it gives me 274 vers and everytime time i walk over an enemy i heal for 4k

rough egret
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what is the other trait you have in that tier?

stone cloud
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also Veins is considered quite good on prot pally..... should check the prot pally discord as well

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@candid ledge

candid ledge
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I've tried it already some months ago, and even with 2 traits I found the process pretty low. So I would rather have some other traits.

little rain
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Merry xmas and happy holidays bois

stone cloud
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in actual challenging combat i find it pretty good...

sick sentinel
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@candid ledge I have tried AV extensively and it heals less than a IV in some occasions and is amazing in others.
Since the icy veins guide is about raiding, I will give you my 2 cents about m+
AV is really good with a disc priest or a resto druid because they don't top you and focus on dps a lot of the time.

AV is not as good with holy palas and holy priests because you get topped way too often

I have a personal grime with AV because it procs way too rarandomly on bossfights to the point of proccing like twice in a 6:30 minute ghuun fight

old zephyr
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Merry Christmas fellow amazing People

solar thorn
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hey guys! wanted to ask, what should I rather use in mythic +? I have blockades, vectis crit trinket 385 and rezan's eye 370

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also gladiators trinket with vers and use on 1590 str every 2 min (375)

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just don't kind of feeling it in the pins 😄

old zephyr
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Rezan and vectid

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Switch vectis for blocades if you need more survivability

solar thorn
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thank you sir!

valid needle
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Can shields be enchanted with anything?

silk mortar
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Not at this moment

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Only weapons

valid needle
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Aight thank you

wide fern
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Which race to pick for horde? Ive read IV and wowhead guide bit cant find any info on it

old zephyr
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I think high Mountain is consensus.
But now alliance is the réal deal

shut sun
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Blood elf master race

wide fern
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Friends are playing horde tho. So cant faction change :-\

old zephyr
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Yeah either belf or moose

wide fern
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I dont do any raiding btw. Only m+

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Moose is highmountain?

old zephyr
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Yes

valid needle
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Rofl

shut sun
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Do you want to play burger or do you want to have the best /hairflip?

wide fern
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I dont care one bit for looks. If something is 0.1% better i go for it

old zephyr
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Moose has 1% poly and extra stun.
Belf has AoE dispel

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Best one may vary according to group

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God tier are Nelf though to skip without rogues

oblique garnet
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Belf is best

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In m+

wide fern
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Om currently belf. Havent liked it since they remove silence

old zephyr
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There is so many dispellable in m+ now it Doesn't really matter

wide fern
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But if they are still good i might just visit the barber shop and pretend its something new:-)

oblique garnet
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You can purge so many things with it

wide fern
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Is there a list were its good to save it for? Havnt really made great us of it except dispel boubles in TD

old zephyr
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Bonne shields, g'huun blessings in UR.

fast cairn
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y33t

old zephyr
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Water Shield in TD

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Galvathingy frol6the horsemens in SoB

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Various buffs in WM, ToS

wide fern
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ill just go för the hair makeover then när try to use it more feequently

tight tree
sand egret
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👢 🍵 👏 ya’ll. happy holidays

old zephyr
sick sentinel
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👢 ⛈ 👏

crystal creek
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Merry Christmas all.

errant wing
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🎅

sick sentinel
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Very nice

old zephyr
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I asked santa for a 395 jes'

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Or à very fancy weap/Shield

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But he only comes tomorow in eu

tight tree
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Too busy bringing loot to Americans 🤡

livid compass
old zephyr
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When I tried od it was 2% of my dps so I scraped it

sick sentinel
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@livid compass wow santa brought you coal this year :C

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That's like, 1 expolsum

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Literally the equivalent of coal

spiral crypt
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best nameplate addon ?

sick sentinel
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Half the people are using threat plates and other half use plater

spiral crypt
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thx.

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are you playing with stacked nameplates or overlapping?

silk moat
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Merry Christmas prot brothers and sisters

sick sentinel
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Stacked is a way of life

astral crystal
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threat plates or plater

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not kui

oblique garnet
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Elvui all the way

astral crystal
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i run elv and kui

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just not elv nameplates naturally

amber siren
sand egret
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used to go overlap, but after getting screwed over a few days ago Im going to stacksd

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stacked*

oblique garnet
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Do the ravagers do damage to the boss? in Freehold?

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with painful motivation

modern brook
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No

sand egret
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naw

oblique garnet
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have you tested it?

sand egret
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i dont think it can apply the boss....but if you can drag em to turtle boi maybe....

modern brook
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I dont test anything cause I'm not tryna get banned

oblique garnet
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but why would that get you banned?

sand egret
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since turtle boi is classified as a trash mob

modern brook
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Idk

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Blizzards ban policy is dumb af and yall are ok with it

sand egret
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but good question Late

modern brook
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Happy xmen all

oblique garnet
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Theres nothing in the spell that classifies it to only deal damage to trash mobs

steady slate
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Santa Blizzard heard my Xmas wish of a new weapon and gave me a 380 Servant Splitter

sick sentinel
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Don't ravagers just deal damage to themselves?

oblique garnet
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Nope

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They do damage to all mobs in 15yd range of them

sick sentinel
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Oh shit I did not know that

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I can test that in m0 I guess

marble cipher
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@oblique garnet didn't they used to do that, and now it's three mobs max or something?

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Don't think it's all mobs in the pull, but, haven't actually checked /tested

oblique garnet
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i guess

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they die pretty fast

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so dont really pay attention to it

dreamy epoch
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I think its all mobs chippo

marble cipher
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Hai Buckie 👋

dreamy epoch
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🤚🏿🤚🏻

steady slate
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no necrotic, no sanguine, no grievous... gonna be a good week

stone cloud
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Just bolstering

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So if dps is special enjoy haha

primal crypt
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bolstering

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yikes pugs

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full wipes inc

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this is the week for a lot of dead keys

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because you pull big and dps dont stop

slim verge
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Why is my Demoralizing Shout only a 15 second CD now? I didn't see any mention of a change in the patch notes or hot fixes. Is there something you can spec into I'm not aware of?

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Oh, nevermind. I didn't realize I had warmode on. It's a pvp talent.

median wigeon
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finally got a 385 shield from cache, casual prot war in my guild downplays it due to bad 2ndary stats. I look up him and he was running indom & impending vict

slim verge
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Whats bad about indom?

primal crypt
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lmaoooo

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lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ancient pasture
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Way to be a dick

silk moat
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Uh

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Good explanation

ancient pasture
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Bolster is just way way too strong in that row

primal crypt
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@median wigeon I love people so much

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@ancient pasture you just call me a dick?

astral crystal
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In case you’re not being ironic, indom won’t give you any significant survivability increase

silk moat
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Why is indom bad?

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Ah thanks Atticus

astral crystal
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And would only be worthwhile if you’re getting one shot and need the health

primal crypt
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Indom in itself isn't bad

astral crystal
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Which will never be the case

primal crypt
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Bolster is just exponentially better

astral crystal
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Bolster is considerably better

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Ye

ancient pasture
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I mean there are people like myself on here who don't know all the ins and outs. No need to laugh at them @primal crypt that's all

primal crypt
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Check yourself

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I was laughing at his casual prot warrior guildmate.

astral crystal
#

It looks like an attractive option because health, but prots strength is in its mitigation

slim verge
#

Did bolster get changed with 8.1? I don't recall seeing that talent before.

astral crystal
#

It’s been there since launch

primal crypt
#

Bolster came in a while back Theo

astral crystal
#

It went through a few iterations back in alpha/beta

slim verge
#

I have been playing arms since all of BFA. Haven't looked at prot since 8.1

primal crypt
#

yeah, bolster has been there since the beginning

#

but if you never tried prot, you wouldn't have known

slim verge
#

Oh, I've played prot for a while. I lasted about a few weeks into BFA, realized how bad it was and went arms

primal crypt
#

...

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but it was never bad

astral crystal
#

^

primal crypt
#

even now

astral crystal
#

Maybe the fact that you never went bolster contributed to the bad experience

primal crypt
#

you'll get rekt if you dont have bolster

#

^

astral crystal
#

Prot was pretty solid all throughout uldir

primal crypt
#

what atticus said

#

Prot warrior is just the least forgiving spec for mistakes

#

if you pop literally all your defensives at once because you get scared, you're dead on the next go around of mitigation timing

#

Prot requires some finesse

ancient pasture
#

Would you discourage a first time tank from picking up prot because of that? This is my first entry into tanking

oblique garnet
#

No

primal crypt
#

absolutely not

astral crystal
#

Depends on what your expectations are I’d say

primal crypt
#

why are you being so defensive

#

Just ask questions and follow along

ancient pasture
#

No I'm new to tankin' that's all

oblique garnet
#

You just gotta throw those fears away and go deep

ancient pasture
#

I'm asking for me @primal crypt , my B before

primal crypt
#

Prot is the MOST FUN tank

#

out of all the tanks

oblique garnet
#

just be confident and think that you will live that pull

astral crystal
#

If you want a very easy mindless tanking experience then go brm, prot is a lot more involved

primal crypt
#

once you figure out where you can live and die

#

you can focus on booty clapping

#

and making dps feel bad

astral crystal
#

And what you can’t survive you just call externals for

ancient pasture
#

thanks!

astral crystal
#

But that’s not exclusive to prot, every tank needs to manage externals

oblique garnet
#

Pug healers are the best

primal crypt
#

you'll get questions like "are we running a 4 dps comp? oh shit, he's prot though"

ancient pasture
#

lol

oblique garnet
#

You pull big and they immediatley panic and pop everything

primal crypt
#

are we supposed to wear a str gem?

#

I can't remember, I just checked and I dont have one in

lusty grotto
#

if you master prot warrior, the other tanks will be easy as hell to pick up @ancient pasture

oblique garnet
#

yamo i have no clue tbh

#

i only have 2 sockets tho

lusty grotto
#

and if you read our guides and come here for help we'll be happy to help out

ancient pasture
#

I appreciate it, really do

primal crypt
#

ughhh

#

should i put one in lmao

lusty grotto
#

oh btw

primal crypt
#

I have like 7 of them right now for some reason

astral crystal
#

No @primal crypt

#

Stacc that fatty haste

primal crypt
#

yeah, screw it

lusty grotto
primal crypt
lusty grotto
#

oh shit i forgot today was reset day

#

no more necrotic yaaayy

#

380 boots :\

median wigeon
#

Aye yam that's the shield I got but rolled 385.

lusty grotto
#

gz

crystal creek
#

I got a nice ring.

#

haste/vers/speed/socket. only 380 but still an upgrade.

primal crypt
#

@median wigeon shhhhhh

#

Dont shit on my 380 socket shield

median wigeon
#

Hey 2 hours ago I would've done some dirty things for that shield. We take what we can get around here

primal crypt
#

I mean, im going from a 370

#

So

#

Fuckit

oblique garnet
#

where are all the good keys at smh

#

only high kings rests on eu <.<

crystal creek
#

That was mine. I got 11 wm

astral crystal
#

eu

lusty grotto
#

astral crystal
#

Yo nimchip you had that cuerito last night?

lusty grotto
#

yup

astral crystal
#

op

#

Friends saving some ginger pitorro for when I come back

#

Hype

lusty grotto
#

😱

#

had some cinnamon + guayaba one on sat

#

was so good

astral crystal
#

Haven’t had some I didn’t love so far

#

Last time a friend brought like a 2 year cured pitorro I ended up hugging a toilet

lusty grotto
#

😃

primal crypt
#

MAKING THAT GOOD COFFEE

astral crystal
#

I don’t have family in rural areas but my friends do and they always bring the most insane shit

crystal creek
#

I’m doing beer too 😆

primal crypt
#

😂

lusty grotto
#

that yogurt coffee though

sand egret
#

Yam. just no

primal crypt
#

Beer and coffee only prot warriors drink

sand egret
#

yeah, coffee...not that unholy concoction!

primal crypt
#

Can't knock it til you try it @sand egret

sand egret
#

i cant stand any dairy in my coffee

#

yogurt prob not gonna cut it lol

primal crypt
#

Lol

#

Yogurt is a nono

#

Everything else is for keto

#

Everyone thinks it's a fad diet, but it's something that people use that have auto immune conditions like my wife

daring marlin
#

black coffee always

#

all I want for christmas

primal crypt
#

I just happen to follow along because it makes it easier for us lol

daring marlin
#

is blade to tank more mythics for me

#

:^)

primal crypt
#

but I do like me some black coffee too

daring marlin
#

Keto is great in general anyway. Especially for people that are sedentary.

#

Or who have issues going to the gym.

primal crypt
#

absolutely

#

keeps them from blowing up

#

ie. gamers

daring marlin
#

It's honestly a little criminal that it's not as widespread as it should be.

#

lol yeah

#

And their shitty junk food.

primal crypt
#

it gets a bit expensive

daring marlin
#

trade the doritos for some pork rinds kids

primal crypt
#

if you dont buy the cheap stuff

daring marlin
#

Just don't eat too much of them

#

well yeah

lusty grotto
#

im having pork right now

#

;D

chilly brook
#

Merry Christmas you beautiful thunder gods

lusty grotto
#

merry xmas griff

steady slate
#

merry christmas to you too!

astral crystal
#

happy kwanzaa

jagged bay
#

merry christmas!

oblique garnet
#

oh i think i broke 1.8k io

#

got into a 17 pug

drowsy relic
#

wtf 17 pug

#

what kind of keys are on the horde server lmao

oblique garnet
#

its eu horde so pretty high

sick sentinel
#

@median wigeon did he downplay a 385 shield with major haste and minor crit?

median wigeon
#

Yes kage it was p silly

sick sentinel
#

That stats for m+ are ridiculously good

#

Like, I am taking crit over mastery and vers any day of the week

oblique garnet
#

mastery>crit in m+

median wigeon
#

Well his legit response was "ew crit for tank? Mast and verse are better FYI"

sick sentinel
#

Crit at least negates effects

#

Like bleeds

quiet crane
#

lol clearly wasn’t a min max experienced tank

median wigeon
#

I typed an actual response before looking at his talents and flaming

quiet crane
#

Crit isn’t bad depending on the scenario

#

In fact can turn out to be bonkers for more then just dps

oblique garnet
#

no bullying bois

#

keep it pg

#

8 )

median wigeon
#

Well this was in Gchat. It's all love here

quiet crane
#

But I’m 15 so I’m M rated 😉

sick sentinel
#

Crit is amazing if you pull whole rooms

#

When the only overgeared people in your group is the healer and the tank, you do some crazy stuff to time keys

#

The dps has had really really bad luck with gear and forges and we don't mythic raid

#

So on massive pulls, crit gains value

#

Especially when I have 50% crit block during avatar already

median wigeon
#

Isn't crit also rater higher as a defensive stat from a purely #s standpoint ? I remember maroks stat analysis saying it's great but unreliable which lowers its defensive priority

lusty grotto
#

crit is close to everything else

sick sentinel
#

The more mobs that are hitting you, the more rng evens out

lusty grotto
#

that's all you gotta know

#

you don't choose one secondary over another over ilvl

oblique garnet
#

Oh damn bois its a sad day sense has been over taken by a russian warrior

median wigeon
#

That guy get another +20 done on prot ?

oblique garnet
#

Ye

sick sentinel
#

Russians give 0 fucks about Christmas I guess

median wigeon
#

I feel like this week was amazing to push but holidays screwed some

oblique garnet
#

Russians celebrate christmas in january

#

The guy has 370 shield and 380 servant splitter???

ancient reef
#

are thos mag orc racials any good for prot

median wigeon
#

I noticed that the other night. He pushed hard this week

oblique garnet
#

He just came out of middle of nowhere and took rank 1

chilly brook
#

@ancient reef they’re not bad but they’re not the best tbh

daring marlin
#

they suck

chilly brook
#

I’d say your top choices are in this order

#

1.panda

#
  1. Highmountain
#
  1. Blood Elf
ancient reef
#

ha im a panda now

#

that food buff is awesome

chilly brook
#

Dark Iron would probably be #2 or possibly 1 if Alliance

oblique garnet
#

Belf best

#

M+ race anyways

daring marlin
#

I was in some dungeon

#

can't remember

median wigeon
#

I keep seeing that damn alch trinket. I'm currently running 370 slot rezan and 385 butcher block but wondering if the alch is better than either for M+

chilly brook
#

TLDR though is that racials are so close together atm that it hardly matters unless you’re in m+ in which case BE is hard to beat but there can be arguments made for the other three races mentioned

oblique garnet
#

Highmountain race is kinda eh

chilly brook
#

Vers is nice

#

And tbh I really liked the racial stun

#

I just couldn’t handle the way they look

#

Not a Tauren fan to begin with

primal crypt
#

panda is so bleh

daring marlin
#

anyway

primal crypt
#

the stomach makes me feel self conscious

daring marlin
#

I cleared enough debuffs on myself

chilly brook
#

Panda is A1

daring marlin
#

to have 1200 str

#

it was whacky

chilly brook
#

You take that back

#

TBH tho I think KT humans are gonna be a really powerful tank race

#

And they look badass to boot

#

These specifically

silk mortar
#

Yeah those are some good racials

#

I hope they are overtuned 😺

lusty grotto
#

no

#

f allies

#

you already have DID

chilly brook
delicate valley
#

Haven't checked in since 8.1, how is protection now

daring marlin
#

viable

lusty grotto
#

were still in 8.1

#

so the same

daring marlin
#

I think he meant he hasn't checked in since 8.1 dropped

lusty grotto
#

listen guilfart

#

can you stop wooshing

daring marlin
#

nice try dipchip

#

you cannot ruse me

quiet crane
#

So who’s heading back to Warcraft 3 boys

sweet pike
#

I can't wait for reforged

lusty grotto
#

i just dont see the point in buying remasters

#

plus dota2 exists so

quiet crane
#

Ew

#

Well I personally think Warcraft 3 remastered will be pretty awesome

lusty grotto
#

i wonder if they will remake the secret hitler mod

quiet crane
#

Crikey

lusty grotto
#

secret dreadlord or whatever

quiet crane
#

Who knows

lusty grotto
#

but yeah i only played wc3 due to dota

quiet crane
#

Bit bored of my age of mythology

#

Now that’s an old one

#

Well good news I can finally play wow again what’s the affixes this week?

sweet pike
#

Bolstering skittish fortified infested

#

PROT WEEK BAYBEE

quiet crane
#

Ezy

#

Time to make DHS and every other burst aoe class cry again 😍

#

Gotta really catch up tho probably really fallen behind on gear and such

sweet pike
#

They can try to Out dps avatar demo shout thunder claps

#

They will fail

daring marlin
#

this week is super duper free

#

I might push on my warrior idk

oblique garnet
#

Last week was free aswell

primal crypt
#

last week was definitely free

lusty grotto
#

next 2 weeks are too

daring marlin
#

WHO SAID IT WASN'T

#

freakin' eggs

lusty grotto
#

your mom

daring marlin
#

feliz navidad

lusty grotto
#

feliz knobby dot actually 😃

sick sentinel
#

is there a good place to compare trinkets? bloodmallet doesnt have prot it doesnt look like

#

DPS trinkets

oblique garnet
#

What trinkets you have

#

Post them here

sick sentinel
#

syringe off vectis, disc off zekvoz, blockades, and fathoms

#

all 355

#

for M+

oblique garnet
#

uhh

#

blockades fathoms

#

out of those

sick sentinel
#

are there other trinkets i should be aiming for? rezans from AD?

astral crystal
#

Yes

#

And jes howler

sick sentinel
#

k thanks

terse hollow
#

How is jes howler any good? It has a super long CD and it gives vers that is split with ur party

surreal stump
#

wow, so the heirloom cloak.. when u buy it horde or alliance you get the other version.. what i didnt catch onto was that you have to upgrade both versions lol and the trinkets so 16k gold each to fully upgrade ontop of farming the tokens lol

#

i never take it off pred

oblique garnet
#

Yeah or just buy the bfa on sale for a 110 boost for 30€

warm plinth
#

Or just get any of the other heirloom cloaks that don't require you to upgrade it on both sides.

surreal stump
#

the problem isnt the cloak its the completionism in me.. must get them all even if i never use them lol

warm plinth
#

Fair enough. I stopped getting new ones once I got the mount lol

sand egret
#

Howler....grrr

olive lotus
#

Is the new alchemist trinket going to be good for prot?

oblique garnet
#

it is

#

you can already make it

fringe marten
#

after testing it for a bit it seems to hold somewhere around a 26~27% uptime for me (alch trink) so? it's like a perma 310~ str trinket with some versa..and makes your HP pot 40% stronger.

#

but due to proc nature, it means when you engage packs in M+ it's often going to proc immediately giving you a really strong opener..so overall a solid trinket.

oblique garnet
#

its 1ppm

fringe marten
#

15 sec/1 min....so a quarter of a minute...IE the 25~+% I said holds true.

oblique garnet
#

Ye

#

Doesnt the 385 give 1k str tho

fringe marten
#

1247

#

so 1247x.25 like 310~ and change.

oblique garnet
#

?

fringe marten
#

so it's like a perma 310~ str trinket, with some versatility and makes your potions 40% stronger. Overall a solid trinket. The knotted heart is better. (but you can have both)

#

The difference being that the actual way procs function means that for M+ it means every other pack you're probably going to open up with a proc immediately making it strong in that situation.

lusty grotto
#

imagine, grabbing a Rag BrM

#

gets hit like paper mache

#

chain pulls in Bolstering

#

🤷

primal crypt
#

So uh

lusty grotto
#

pack almost dead > brings 3 more friends

#

rinse repeat

primal crypt
#

Dont go into motherloaf and triple pull first pack

oblique garnet
#

why not?

primal crypt
#

Bolstering will destroy you lmao

oblique garnet
#

You just bl that

#

oh yeah

primal crypt
#

3 non elites

#

I forgot

#

And skystep pulled

#

And it was too late

oblique garnet
#

ml is boring dungeon anyways

primal crypt
#

And I also told them let the mech come for more %

#

Dude had like 10 stacks at the end of BL

#

so yeah

#

Memepull

oblique garnet
#

i have an option to join 17 ml 🤔

warm plinth
#

@primal crypt You should have told them you were doing Challenge Mode.

primal crypt
#

I did

#

I blamed them

#

for not targetting the right mobs

#

for bolster

#

even though it was my booty claps

#

😄

#

told them to focus target from now on

#

we're never wrong

modern brook
#

Oof

main vault
#

They changed the rpm

lusty grotto
#

wat

ocean acorn
#

For m+ tanking do i want 390 DC/ 390 AotT or 375 DC / 390 BoM?

void sonnet
#

I would say 390 DC + 390 AotT

primal crypt
#

what's the third?

ocean acorn
#

390 bfi for both

lusty grotto
#

uhh...

ocean acorn
#

cmon nim

#

help a brother out

primal crypt
#

hmmm

#

I think I would use the 375 DC/390 Bom/390 BFI

lusty grotto
#

sacrificing ilvl for BoM

#

:\

ocean acorn
#

cuz im fury and prot now

primal crypt
#

I went full 375 pieces for DC/bom x2

ocean acorn
#

but limited in gear

primal crypt
#

oh jk

#

my DC was 390

lusty grotto
#

i feel like 15 ilvls worth of less str shouldn't be traded in for BoM

#

dunno

primal crypt
#

I enjoyed it because double bom

#

dont know about single

lusty grotto
#

are you a bom bom

ocean acorn
#

is my current tank set

#

highest key ive done in prot is a 15 Temple of sethralis

#

so ilose 5k health

#

and 127 armor

#

but gain BoM

primal crypt
#

ehhhhh

#

just stay as is

modern brook
#

5k

#

I run that

#

Bom

#

I am that

#

15 ilvls

#

Arent worth that

ocean acorn
#

i dont understand what u are saying bull

primal crypt
#

lmao

#

what he said makes no sense

stone magnet
#

@ocean acorn how do you get your character screen to show all that?

ocean acorn
#

deja characterstats addon

stone magnet
#

That’s the only one? Gonna check that one

ocean acorn
#

5k health is worth that much?

#

maybe azerite tooltips

primal crypt
#

Str + Stam

#

not just the 5k health

#

BUTTTT

#

I really like that bom

stone magnet
#

Where can I find good choices for trinkets and weapon/shield? I use bloodmallet for my mage but it doesn’t help tanks

primal crypt
#

what would you trade in secondaries and tertiaries

ocean acorn
#

sec

#

so i lose 86 STR and 269 stam

#

@primal crypt

lusty grotto
#

you also lose the str from archive

ocean acorn
#

so 200?

lusty grotto
#

and armor

ocean acorn
#

280

lusty grotto
#

you use whatever highest ilvl shield and 1 hander @stone magnet

stone magnet
#

Okay but which ones would be better at the same Ilvl? Like which stats preferably

lusty grotto
#

at the same ilvl? preferably haste, but dont stack it while sacrificing ilvl

stone magnet
#

Okay just trying to farm a dungeon for a shield, using a 350 one but my ilvl is nearly 370. I know shields are suppose to affect us a lot right

oblique garnet
#

wathing darkee stream on warrior

#

good content

lusty grotto
#

inmensely, yes @stone magnet

ocean acorn
#

link late?

primal crypt
#

@oblique garnet lmao

lavish oracle
#

Damn, Darkee's already pushing 19s on warrior? I feel inadequate

primal crypt
#

20s

oblique garnet
#

depleting*

lavish oracle
#

Depleting 20s, pushing 19s

oblique garnet
#

idk if you saw that spicy double pull where everything got bolstered to hellish levels

primal crypt
#

Darkee is a good player

lavish oracle
#

Nah, they were on sharkpuncher when I tuned in

primal crypt
#

That group of players is used to pushing high

#

So don't feel inadequate

#

They just have better structure in place

#

And normally play together

lavish oracle
#

Nope, deleting my warrior out of shame

sand egret
#

is he playing with JB?

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, Blade

sand egret
#

word, I was watching him the other day shift over to prot for a WM

oblique garnet
#

yeah prot is good at wm

lusty grotto
#

oops let me censor that

#

oh my auto censor

sand egret
#

glad to hear the narrative turn to:
Darkee: “Prot? Nope!”
JB: “naw prot crushes wm man”

oblique garnet
#

i wonder if i can push next week to 1.9k io

primal crypt
#

You can late

lusty grotto
#

my goal is to push to 1400 this week

primal crypt
#

Just convince your group to come back

#

I need to break 15-1600 this week

#

That's the goals

#

This week is good push, but need extreme trash dmg

lusty grotto
#

i feel like my team has a bit to go for 15s

primal crypt
#

Went into underrot, my god that trash doesnt die

#

Everyone was doing 17k-22k

#

Lmao

#

Took forever

lusty grotto
#

yamo

#

turn in your prot badge

#

depleted that 9 WM

#

fucking ragnaros BrMs

oblique garnet
#

had to boost guildies in their weekly 10s : )

primal crypt
#

9 wm?

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, I love prot for carrying guildies

primal crypt
#

Huh?

lusty grotto
#

remember when i whispered you

oblique garnet
#

Pugging 10s at 2am the day before reset tho is spicy experience

#

had a resto shaman who didnt interrupt at all

primal crypt
#

Oh

#

The rican group?

lusty grotto
#

it was the Ragnaros BrM that fucked us

primal crypt
#

Ra
G.........

lavish oracle
#

Honestly, in PUGs, I just assume shamans don't have interrupts

#

Its a nice surprise when they actually do

lusty grotto
#

ez as shit key

#

lets stack up bolsters by chain pulling

primal crypt
#

My resto sham

#

Annoys the hell out of

#

Interrupts on CD

#

Wont follow intereupt order

#

So he fucks us all up

sand egret
#

hahaha my hero

primal crypt
#

Just because he's got a faster CD

sand egret
#

he just flexin on you scrubs

primal crypt
#

assbag

lavish oracle
#

It annoys me when my group interrupts too well, can't get spell reflects in >.>

sand egret
#

Darkee: “top tanks for mythics? dk and warrior”

#

INC flood

lusty grotto
#

we're fucked

lavish oracle
#

Damn

lusty grotto
#

get ready boys

sand egret
#

lets say it together

#

viable

lavish oracle
#

Thats high praise

lusty grotto
#

viable

lavish oracle
#

I still think BrM is better than us but I'm glad that the stigma is gone

sand egret
#

man, i wanna check my cache 😦

lusty grotto
#

fuck brms

#

eww

sand egret
#

honestly BrMs have RoP

#

but like...id rather take 2x the damage

#

lol

lusty grotto
#

why do you need RoP for this week's affixes though

sand egret
#

in general

lusty grotto
#

im doing pug uldir on my pala

#

guaranteed the brm is gonna get hit like paper mache

sand egret
#

woof

lusty grotto
#

i should stream this

merry cave
#

Someone needs to tell darkee to stop streaming M+ prot keys, bliz might see we are viable and nerf us

lusty grotto
#

im more worried about the influx of people we're gonna get

#

gotta flex those pins emojis

#

honestly though, i think that's a good thing

#

just needed that hipster reply out

lavish oracle
#

I will be upset if they nerf our damage

lusty grotto
#

they shouldnt

primal crypt
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They won't

lavish oracle
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Its Blizzard, I have 0 trust

primal crypt
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It's a trade for not having utility

lusty grotto
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that's our "utility", our dmg

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or that

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im just sad that isn't given to our dps specs

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it seems that utility dps has more value than fury/arms

sand egret
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oh, I have every expectation that TClap/UF is gonna get clipped

oblique garnet
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the thing is

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our current dps

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is not even the best iteration

lavish oracle
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My guess would be UF goes from 100% to 50%

oblique garnet
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It will get much better come next tier

lusty grotto
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yeah wait until we get BoD gear

sand egret
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yeah it’ll get clipped

oblique garnet
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Then it will get cut

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for sure

sand egret
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to be specific, it’ll be rebalnces

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they’ll take the power out of TClap and prob put it into Revenge

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and most likely will buff the talents in that tier

oblique garnet
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nah

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thats not happening

sand egret
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thats happened everytime in wow

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no reason it wouldnt happen again lol

lavish oracle
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Honestly, I'd be 100% okay with migrating some of our damage to revenge

oblique garnet
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They cant touch UF without basically redesigning the entire kit

sand egret
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totally can

oblique garnet
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They cant

sand egret
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yea, ya can

oblique garnet
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It affects our ST threath gen aswell

sand egret
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and?

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doesnt change that it can be offloaded

oblique garnet
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If they change that they will have to overcompensate somewhere else

sand egret
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and? thats what i said

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thats called offloading

oblique garnet
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Which in turn means that you basically revamp the entire class design

sand egret
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not at all

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a few ways you can offload that without having to “revamp class design”

chilly brook
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BLUF is that they’re not going to be able to touch UF without touching the rest of the spec

sand egret
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yeah, i mean no one is saying they wont touch other stuff but that is different than revamping the entire spec

sick sentinel
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what makes monks good m+ tanks?

sand egret
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but im sure they are not ok in the long run with out how damage is distrubuted

oblique garnet
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Utility/mobility

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The ability to not die

chilly brook
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Their already good damage mit and their toolkit

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Great mobility

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ROP

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AoE stun

sick sentinel
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I'm thinking like

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monk for raids

oblique garnet
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Aoe stun is eh

sick sentinel
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warrior for m+

sand egret
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they make the game way more reactionary

daring marlin
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Monks actually do some legit damage too when played well.

sand egret
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which for a healer is dope

oblique garnet
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Theres so many classes with aoe stun already

sick sentinel
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is it hard to play

oblique garnet
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Monk?

sick sentinel
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you just hit rjw and then prio list 4 buttons

oblique garnet
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No

chilly brook
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Their good old incap is useful

ancient reef
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Nah its easier then a guardian

chilly brook
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Monk is pretty ez to play

sick sentinel
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id argue its the easier

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easisest

chilly brook
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I find it fun though

daring marlin
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idk warrior is pretty easy too

chilly brook
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And nothing is easier than guardian

ancient reef
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There is literally the same.rotation for everything

lusty grotto
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weep is back?

sick sentinel
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monk is easiest

chilly brook
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As far as damage

sick sentinel
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yea

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i havent been playing warrior

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sorry nimchip

sand egret
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define “easy”

sick sentinel
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uh

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4 damage buttons

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3 of them have cooldowns

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2 defensive buttons

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you usually only need 1

sand egret
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so input : cd?

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this topic comes up a lot in wow, im always curious how people define “easy” in these terms

sick sentinel
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imagine ignore pain but it doesnt go away with damage and also you dont actually need it

chilly brook
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Just because 3 of them have CDs doesn’t make it immediately more easy than guardian or any of the other tanks

sick sentinel
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3s, 7s, 15s

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and that is the order you use them in as well

chilly brook
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There’s a little more to it

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Uhhh no

sick sentinel
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for single-target output not rly

chilly brook
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That’s not the order you use them in

sick sentinel
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uh yeah

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@sick sentinel monks can stagger a million damage and then run around like retards with 1 health

ancient reef
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I have to manage more cd usage on a guardian so rage

chilly brook
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KS>BoS always

sick sentinel
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blackout -> keg -> bof -> tp above 50

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keep IB up

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???

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ks is 7

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bos is 15

chilly brook
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KS always takes priority

sick sentinel
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3s, 7s, 15s```
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ah

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BoS

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I misread

chilly brook
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BoS is literally just damage

oblique garnet
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This is not monk discord

chilly brook
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KS does more than just damage

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Which is why it has a higher priority

sick sentinel
warm plinth
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Thought I accidentally clicked on Peak of Serenity for a moment.

chilly brook
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You don’t use BoB at the beginning of a fight just cuz....

sick sentinel
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not me