protection

[rough egret]

Thats math :)

But if one random 415 will cost almost 1500 tr thats hell

[main vault]

Probably

But to spend any on a piece that is void in a few weeks is worse

[rough egret]

I already bought one 385 because i just couldnt resist the opinion

Oportunity

With this mindset, its totálny worth to not buy any piece till the Last raid will open

[main vault]

Well no

Buying one at the start of a tier is max value

Buying one at the end is the lowest value you can get

It essentially has a peak on day one of a tier ex Jan 22

And every day after you get less value

[rough egret]

True, and will you have 1500 TR at 22 Jan? :D

[main vault]

No

But I won’t have a old gear piece that wasted any either

And I will be closer to max value

And since normal is 385 that can be had day one, from the first three bosses as you said

[rough egret]

With my luck i will have them at the end of tier :D

As i still dont have Mother helmet :D

And any mythic khor for fury

Overall you are right, its better to save TR.

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt whatsup

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet all good

other guys helped me

[merry cave]

Does anyone know if its possible to make a weak aura for demo shout so its shows up as a buff/timer (like how a shield wall weak aura)

[rough egret]

Im pretty sure it is

If you have the SW WA just change the spell to DS, and Mark target debuff.

[merry cave]

thank you, ill try that

[merry cave]

Thanks wolf, worked fine. Now just need to fix avatar which for some reason only works in arms lol

[eager tartan]

You may use luxthos weak auras as template for that and then modifie them at your own interest

It has all the functions you are mentioning

[marble cipher]

@merry cave check 'load' tab, it's probably set to only show for arms

[valid needle]

Well, my Warrior is 343 now, inc prot warrior!

[merry bane]

So what do my fellow warriors think of Heavy Repercussions over Anger Management

[jade socket]

There isn’t really ever a reason to spec out of anger management

[merry bane]

oh I am not moving. I just saw HR and thought it was neat

Now is BV still good with BFI or would I wanna switch to Devastator

[jade socket]

Still bv

[merry bane]

I thought so witht he 40 rage gen and increased damage

[jade socket]

You basically never change talents

[merry bane]

Only talent I switch at times is the 75 ones

Between SB and RE

[sick sentinel]

As much as I hate azerite veins

They did help me solo motherlode m0

[jade socket]

You can change your 30 talent as well at very specific times but it barely matters

[merry bane]

I never mess with 30

Basic intercept is enough for my parties

[sick sentinel]

Lvl30 talents are the ones I change lol

[merry bane]

Well the SW cd is nice in certaind ungeons

from level 75

[sick sentinel]

I have rumbling earth permanently

[merry bane]

Storm Bolt is really nice for Temple

and Atal

[sick sentinel]

And I haven't changed off of bounding stride for a month now

[merry bane]

same

[jade socket]

I would say storm bolt is better in almost every dungeon but it’s kinda minor

[sick sentinel]

Also, (completely unrelated by the way, sorry) did you know that the last boss of motherlode does not proc impassive vissage?

I was devastated

[merry bane]

wow

nice pun lol

[sick sentinel]

First boss is a complete joke to solo, second and third don't matter and last made me to clutch my cheeks a little bit but thank god azerite veins procced twice in 6 minutes

[merry bane]

I dont see AV proc thatmuch

Switched to GR and its alot of fun

running 2x BFI and 2x GR

[sick sentinel]

Thats some boss damage

[merry bane]

I keep my 2x AoT if needed though

with AV and IV

[valid needle]

When do azerite rewards scale to 370 i wonder

[sick sentinel]

365 afaik

[valid needle]

Aight

If i can get shoulders from my Azerite emissary

Ill be around 350

[orchid gust]

Anyone know of any prot warrior streamers who are pushing high keys?

[supple glacier]

I do the 15+ timed run

But i don’t stream

[amber siren]

Deswind streams and posts videos on YT as prot

https://www.twitch.tv/deswindtv

[supple glacier]

Ye sense is good to watch 2

Go in YouTube and type Sense or Deswind

You will see a good run 19+

I’m glad see the prot shine again

We are strong now

Maybe they will nerf us imo

[steady fiber]

Hi all, in warfront it's still possible to get wep 385 ?

bcs some one were talking about it some time ago

[tacit smelt]

From the quest, yes, my prot pally got a 385 crit haste 1h

[vocal nimbus]

For trading shields

Do weapons count for the ilvl limit

[steady fiber]

oh just for quest it works ? not warfront reward ?

[tacit smelt]

Yes sadly can't go pass+10

[vocal nimbus]

G.e. a dps loots as tank and gets a shield, does his 2h's ilvl count when trading the shield?

[tacit smelt]

Just completing it awards a 340 piece

He won't be seeing to trade if he doesn't have a shield in his bags, the game will see it as a fresh piece of loot for a spec without it

Be able to trade*

[valid needle]

@tacit smelt got that fat weapon last night on my newly dinged prot warrior aswell

[tacit smelt]

Grats still stuck with an indestructible 375 waycrest 1h, my pain has no limits

[steady fiber]

lol u have atelast 375

im stuck with 340 that i crafted

xD

[valid needle]

Yikers

Im gonna be doing HC tomorrow

Gonna pray for shield on Vectis

And Azerite POG

[tacit smelt]

Been stuck with this weapon for months

[steady fiber]

i was farming many times 10+ still no one handed wep

Im starting to think that im Cursed

[valid needle]

Just go mythic and kill Fetid with a few frosty bois

[tacit smelt]

Guild stopped raiding for a long while

We as a collective decided that it was best not burn our selves out on content after AOTC and a few mythic bosses

[valid needle]

Just pug him my man

He's so festive atm aswell

[craggy bay]

noob question

how to see what spells are reflectable?

[astral crystal]

Check the pins

Should be a list there

[maiden oxide]

I find no info on "Endless Hunger" trait, is it any good for prot?`274 versa/4k healing going over dead corpses.

[silk mortar]

Its not that good, better stick to your class specific traits

[sick sentinel]

@maiden oxide the general rule is to stick to class specific traits

[valid needle]

Is there any case where you don't do that? Like are there any bad prot traits you stay away from?

[sick sentinel]

Prot has no bad traits

[valid needle]

So it's the exact opposite of Blood DK 😂 not a single good trait 😂 😂

[sick sentinel]

If you want to go SPECIFICALLY for raiding and no mplus at all, you would get a neutral trait over a second BoM or a second DC but that's about it I think

For mplus, you could only make an arguenent for a neutral when it is over a second DC and still idk about that because I haven't seen the damage on that thing I only ever cared about the demo shout extension

[maiden oxide]

I don’t raid. I only play m+ with all 3 specs. Just figured it might have some use in m+

[sick sentinel]

@maiden oxide then stick to prot traits

2xBoM and 1 DC is amazing for it

[old zephyr]

Currently archive is pretty good though even for m+

[maiden oxide]

I run 1xbom, 1 bfi and 1 dc atm. Dno if I want to sacrifice the bfi for another bom

Was just curious about endless hunger

[sick sentinel]

Bfi is more ST dps and people here have even dropped ilvl to get a second BoM

Like late or yamo

[daring marlin]

for the meme

and dps

[maiden oxide]

I’d lose lifespeed and gain basically nothing on second trait aswell

[daring marlin]

lose lifespeed

[sick sentinel]

Losing lifespeed isn't losing a whole lot tbh

[junior ivy]

Hi people

Happy xmas

[amber siren]

🎅

[wide girder]

Merry Xmas to all

[silk mortar]

Merry Christmas ;)!

[primal crypt]

Second bom is meme dmg

I want a 390 damnit

Blizz is a bunch of trolls

Taking away azerite pueces from the weekly

Pieces

[oblique garnet]

Merry christmas !

[valid needle]

@oblique garnet im a solid 350, just need a bit more gear 😬

[oblique garnet]

@valid needle You need some boost in m+?

[sick sentinel]

Azerite pieces from weekly was a lie anyways

I got 2 since the launch 😭

[oblique garnet]

well you cant get them anymore from the weekly m+

[sand egret]

some would attest they never were there to begin with! 😃

[drowsy relic]

is it me or is underott insane with a boomy in the group?

having 1 less interrupt actually sucks

especially on first boss

[primal crypt]

they need to let you spell reflect

[oblique garnet]

^

[primal crypt]

that's a lot of dmg back to boss

[oblique garnet]

its like 160k or so in 15

[primal crypt]

^

[sick sentinel]

Tyra?

Or on fortified

[oblique garnet]

tyrannical

[primal crypt]

always

SR

[oblique garnet]

its like 100k on fortified

So its never wasted

[sick sentinel]

Well coordinating people to not interupt is hard :<

It's in their nature to interupt every god damn thing possible

Except when they have to

[lilac sleet]

I always just say in voice " let this through"

really gotta be in comms to manage spell reflect

[astral crystal]

i remember getting 3 azerite pieces from chest, all of them chests

1 decent, 2 of the same

very REEEE moments

[sick sentinel]

I have archive +dc + bfi right now

Wet dream for raiding

[sand egret]

oh man got me a prot warrior tanking for my hunter rocking: indom, deva, punish, and ravager

my hero

[narrow abyss]

🤮

[jagged bay]

merry christmas!

[stiff orbit]

Know what I'm thankful for?

DK nerfs 😄

Even if they weren't actually that big of a deal, the salt I heard was all the Christmas present I needed

[valid needle]

@oblique garnet bro if you're available throughout the week then yes please

I'd also love to have you guide me a bit through the playstyle

[dry beacon]

Ping reeeeeeeeee

[vocal nimbus]

Are 3rd and 4th ML bosses blockable now with the ranged block?

Felt them hitting harder than the 1st and 2nd

[stone cloud]

Pretty sure it’s magic dmg

[valid needle]

Pretty sure they hit magical damage

Ye

[vocal nimbus]

oof

so SR on cd

[stone cloud]

Monk is monkaS also

[valid needle]

SR on third boss when the debuff goes out

[stone cloud]

Same with lord waycrest

20K dot ticks 😂😂

Chunks him

[sand egret]

cant block 3rd boss regularly

you can SR the chemical burn then you can also bait it onto a melee for every other one you cant

[oblique garnet]

@valid needle yeah idm we are on holiday break so i got nothing else to do

[drowsy relic]

my group has 2 18 underott keys and we've legit spent 30 mins trying to figure out the interrupt order with my spell reflect

no meme we're legit making my healer run prot pally and the dk run unholy dk so we have 8 interrupts in total now since everyone is tilted

im actually so sad rn

[median wigeon]

@primal crypt blizzard took azerite out of weekly chest table ?

[sand egret]

in 8.1 yes

it's not in the cache

[oblique garnet]

@drowsy relic What why?

[median wigeon]

Damn no 390 bom dream till new raid I guess

[oblique garnet]

@drowsy relic you SR the first cast you should have SR up again for 4th cast

[valid needle]

@oblique garnet ill message you later on 😁 thank you for wanting to help!

[primal crypt]

no more items

in the chest

you can't loot them

30 min to set up interrupt?

why

also, make sure your SR is not taken off by the clone @drowsy relic

you want your SR for the boss

if your group doesn't kick the clone

GG

[oblique garnet]

pretty sure the DK can also interrupt twice with just gripping the clone

[primal crypt]

yup

[oblique garnet]

Feelsbadman cant even push keys since everyone is slacking

[lusty grotto]

its xmas eve 😛

[marble sable]

do u guys pick gemhide or impassive visage when you have the choice?

[lusty grotto]

whatever you feel is best

that's a personal choice

since both are equally good

[marble sable]

ya i have all tanks except druid at 120 and most of the recommendations say GH > IV by a decent margins

i'm finding its a lot more equal for wars

at least from everything i've read

[lusty grotto]

🤷

not sure why you want to apply other tank logic, you shouldn't

[marble sable]

i'm not i just was double checking to see if more exp'd war tanks had different opinions before i lock it down

[deft hinge]

good lord nim, he didn't

[lusty grotto]

be gone impostor!

anyway both are good, just choose whichever you feel might be best for your playstyle

[marble sable]

😃

[lusty grotto]

people here swear by IV but shrug

[marble sable]

I just do 10's every week on my alt tanks so no raiding

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't have a huge edge over gemhide IMO

[oblique garnet]

@marble sable IV heals alot in m+

and overall

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

So id take that over gemhide basically any day

[primal crypt]

^

Unless you dont have the proper choice

then you just get boned and sit there with your thumb in your bum

[marble sable]

ya i feel like GH edges things out in raid more

[lusty grotto]

either way there's not a lot of pieces where it puts IV vs GH

[marble sable]

ya i got shoulders with bloodsport and AV and IV/GH from incursions last night

[lusty grotto]

most of us have DC shoulders

[marble sable]

i just got this guy 120 2 days ago so i am around 357ilevel

[drowsy relic]

I swear we don’t have enough interrupts

Like with just 4, one always goes off

So now we’re doing this dumb strat and my group is soo tilted they’re willing to lose 2 mins overall to swap specs

I can get first 3 casts, we beam first

Beam first add**

Then mdps kicks add and another kicks boss

Then we have nothing and I get hit

Someone pls help

And it 1 shots me lmao

[oblique garnet]

@drowsy relic Whats your comp

[drowsy relic]

Dk ww boomy me hpal

[oblique garnet]

You should be fine o.O

Dk can interrupt twice

You spell reflect first and take the 2nd interrupt

Dk takes next monk next or sr

[drowsy relic]

He’s playing frost, he’s swapping to unholy for the boss

The goal is that none of us need to swap specs

[spark cloak]

dk and ww should be able to manage interupts when one target is up with moonkin as back up

you should save yours for the boss when they switch to the add

you can interupt / reflect 3 in a row by which time they should have killed the add and be back on the boss

[oblique garnet]

boomy takes the first add cast

dk can take the next?

[spark cloak]

so have everyone interupt boss, switch to add then back on boss

with you focused on dealing with boss when add is up

also the dk can grip the add as well

it only delays the cast but its usually enough to get next interupt off cd

[drowsy relic]

Actually that sounds pretty good

Yeah dk can only delay the cast

[spark cloak]

reflect the very first cast and it will be back up for the add

second cast on add i mean

[drowsy relic]

And the add should die pretty fast

[oblique garnet]

dont waste spell reflect on add cast

dont do that

ever

[spark cloak]

i never said too

reflect first cast off boss

then you interupt / reflect / interupt boss while they deal with add

[oblique garnet]

@drowsy relic Nobody should need to switch for that boss if youre bloodlusting are you keeping the boss and add next to each other so you can cleave both?

[spark cloak]

lol

on tyranical 18

[drowsy relic]

We’re still getting 3cast on the add

[spark cloak]

you need to interupt the add

[oblique garnet]

Yeah ofc you need to interrupt the add

i never said that you dont need to interrupt the add

i said that they dont need to switch specs

I think WW can also karma taunt one of the bloodbolts from the boss no?

Idk we dont have any WW monks in our guild and i have never done m+ with them

[drowsy relic]

Idk, it’ll be tight so it 100% needs to be planned out before

Since it’s probs on gcd

I think I might try taking one blood bolt with shield wall

[spark cloak]

its not worth karama on that boss any more

with the nerf

hoenstly just play it safe

burn the add when it spawns

[oblique garnet]

taking one with karma is playing it safe tho

[spark cloak]

its annoying since it jumps around to do abilities

[oblique garnet]

its really annoying dps check tbf

[drowsy relic]

Me, sr, me, boomy (add)+ dk, ww (add) + ?

This is the problem atm

[marble sable]

how many add waves do you get?

[oblique garnet]

You should have either interrupt or SR up by the time WW is done @drowsy relic

You gotta remember that the boss doesnt only cast the bolt

So theres some breathing room

[drowsy relic]

Nah it cast the moment my interrupt is off cd like the millisecond

[oblique garnet]

hmm

[drowsy relic]

So I might shieldwall there and take it

[oblique garnet]

Yeah probably

[drowsy relic]

And for the second set we’ll use same interrupt order and pop sac + rallying cry

And hopefully if we get to 3rd set of adds it should be close to dead

We got 4 sets of adds since our boomy died from creeping rot and our prot pally literally did 1k dps

So we might only push 3

[oblique garnet]

You should try to get SR as often as possible since its almost 200k damage to the boss everytime you do

[drowsy relic]

I think it’s like 318k

It’s massive

[oblique garnet]

damn its that high on 18?

I only did the 17

it was like 210k or something

[drowsy relic]

Fortified?

[oblique garnet]

Tyrannical

[marble sable]

are you killing the 3rd wave?

or just rotating cds?

[oblique garnet]

It was the prenerf and we failed the dps check on it

[drowsy relic]

Wait rip I can’t do this interrupt order

Beam is 1 min CD

[oblique garnet]

yup

[drowsy relic]

And add spawns after 50 secs

Jesus Christ

[oblique garnet]

have your healer go ret?

[drowsy relic]

I might just wait till next week and do keys without a boomy

[spark cloak]

most of the time 2 people can handle interupts on one target

if they interupt late

[drowsy relic]

He’s a hpal one trick, he’ll have to bind and learn his rotation

[oblique garnet]

thats unlucky

idk how to deal with the UR first boss now since my group is just playing atlas so havent pushed much keys with coordinated group :/

After the nerfs*

[drowsy relic]

Lol

I think

[spark cloak]

you also have ring for the add

[drowsy relic]

I might be able to take 3 cast

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah rop

[spark cloak]

anyway you are really overcomplicating it

2 people can handle 1 target most of the time

[oblique garnet]

i dont have a monk in my group so i forgot about that LUL

[spark cloak]

so just have your melee focus interupts on boss then switch to add with help from boomy / grip / ring

and you can deal with 3 from the boss during that time by going interupt > reflect > interupt

use shield wall as back up

[drowsy relic]

Kk will try it again, our monk doesn’t run rop since good karma is his only defensive

[spark cloak]

have healer switch to dps if you want some insurance

[drowsy relic]

The issue is that it takes soo long for him to go out

And come back in

Lost about 1min 30 seconds

[oblique garnet]

yeah

How do you handle the 2nd boss tho?

[drowsy relic]

Tank it in the middle , I leap out every indigestion

Mark 4 spots , healer and I do one spot, other 3 dps has the other 3 spots

First tantrum healer cds

[oblique garnet]

the tantrum is spicy

[drowsy relic]

Second tantrum healthstones

Third tantrum cry + defensive

And it should be dead

[oblique garnet]

yeah

shame that it never goes as you have planned out tho

[drowsy relic]

Amen

[oblique garnet]

had the perfect route for 18 fh and it just fell apart because someone managed to body pull stuff on first boss <.<

[old zephyr]

So sad

[astral crystal]

Damn

[lusty grotto]

mmmmmmm

[astral crystal]

Ip is gonna be off the chain in dazaralor

There’s a few boss pieces that have bloodsport

[primal crypt]

HNGGGGG

[loud lintel]

What azerite trait should I use for m+?

[fierce juniper]

If you want to go for damage (which you generally should), you'd generally want 1 DC/2 BoM.

[loud lintel]

So my best DC piece is 360 I has a a 385 in the same slot should I use dc?

[fierce juniper]

What traits are on the 385?

[stiff orbit]

Guess I need to get some BoM pieces then

[loud lintel]

Ignore pain

[fierce juniper]

Yeah, use the 360.

Having 1 DC is very good, particularly in dungeons.

[loud lintel]

Ok I notice my damage was lower when I switch DC

[fierce juniper]

Depends on the pack/length of the encounter. If you're doing damage for the full (extended) duration of DS then you would definitely do more damage over having the 385 on.

[loud lintel]

@fierce juniper thank you

[fierce juniper]

np

[steady slate]

what's the best way for me to handle the orb room in temple?

[sick sentinel]

where can i find BoM pieces? are there none in uldir or am i just missing htem

[steady slate]

I keep getting them randomly

[oblique garnet]

ghuun helm has one

[sick sentinel]

oh gross i gotta do ghuun

[oblique garnet]

You get alot from emissaries and also check item restoration page @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

oh hes brand new 120, but ill definitely do emissaries a lot. thanks

[ancient reef]

how do we deal with adds at end of waycrestn ow

[vocal nimbus]

@steady slate temple room is a group effort

[steady slate]

I take them in two groups

[vocal nimbus]

Everyone depends on everyone

[steady slate]

so what should i be doing in that room, @vocal nimbus?

[vocal nimbus]

If you are pugging just take your time

Do one side at a time

[steady slate]

just seems like they respawn as fast or faster than we can kill them

[ancient reef]

they just cause me my first +10 in time on my war thought it was old way ran till end but they wher to much

[steady slate]

and once i hit 80 - 90 stacks of necrotic, it really hurts

[vocal nimbus]

As i said

Its more of a group effort

You can either rush it and open it asap to kill everything in the stairs

Or take your time and clear packs

[steady slate]

can i aggro and draw them off to one side?

[vocal nimbus]

Ye

But the elite ones are gonna run after the orb anyways

Try to root, blind, trap, etc them

[leaden saffron]

what is the best talent skill for tank right now?

[vocal nimbus]

The icy-veins guide has all the information up to date for 8.

1

[ancient reef]

how many stacks of necro before i should try to run away it was trying to do like 30 was that not enough or to many

[silk mortar]

It would also depend on how much dmg you are actually taking, but 30 is quite alot, 60% that is

Aslong as you arent dying it isnt to many >;p

[valid needle]

O god

[old zephyr]

Usually, at 20 you setup for kiting, and 30 you reset

But if the pack is almost dead just finish it

We can afford staying at 40 + if not takibg alot of Damage, we ain't no bdk

[thorn mango]

@old zephyr to be techincal if you hit 40 stacks your basically going to drop dead in seconds so there isnt much staying alive period at that point lol

[old zephyr]

Not really dépends on What is hitting you, lone survivor of that pack you just avatared. Stormbolt, Block one6or 2 hits, It's fine.
Use emergency stam pot if needed

[thorn mango]

yeah true,usually though this week when i've hit 40 stacks tanking its with 3-4 mobs still alive,i tend to drop dead pretty damn fast there lol

[old zephyr]

Usually you want to reset at 30.
But should6the reset go wrong you are not dead instantly

[oblique garnet]

@ancient reef pull the 5 adds and then clear the 2 others

[median wigeon]

I should know this but does necrotic reduce IP ?

[shut summit]

yes

[median wigeon]

Thanks protdad

[ancient reef]

i just started doing like +8s and is it weird i feel like i have better pug luck then when i did lower keys

[outer dew]

Because some people play at a level where they can't finish a 5

Lol

[old zephyr]

The higher you go the better thé PUs Will be

10 is not Great Because you have all the random dude's that want est chest.
But higher than that People know What they are doing

[crystal creek]

Anyone using Dragon's Breath for necrotic or just shockwave/leap.

[old zephyr]

Sw leap

Use Unstopable force and kill them before you have to reset

[outer dew]

Leap/Light foot should be enough for most pulls

[old zephyr]

Or just and run the 20%slow is enough

Boomies, rogues frostMage, shaman and monk are good at giving you resets, so do not hesitate to bring some

And Rdruid don't forget Rdruid

[stray wedge]

$pb 189052403671236608 spamming every channel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[sick sentinel]

Dear Christmas, can you have blizzard remove the azerite vendor

[daring marlin]

he smites

you don't like the shit sandwich they gave you?

[sick sentinel]

I do, but I want people to suffer

I'm happy the vendor is there but I enjoyed when people hated not getting their gear more

Warmed my heart

[daring marlin]

typical new yorker

[sick sentinel]

Hehehe

[daring marlin]

When I lived in NY was epic.

Some bitch cut me off and honked at me

wewie

people going 85 on the GWB exits was fucking hilarious too

[wary badger]

Been running Bastion of Might, Deafening Crash, and Brace for Impact

[daring marlin]

hellyeahbrother

I need another BoM piece

[wary badger]

Bastion is underrated

[daring marlin]

nah

It was before

People called it crap pre 8.1

but now

they see

They called me crazy

[wary badger]

its free 60 rage

[daring marlin]

but they use it now

[wary badger]

who passes that up xD

60 rage and 20% ciritcal block

12%

my bad

[daring marlin]

Don't forget the AP boost

which equates to more damage

it's just

good overall

for damage during avatar

[wary badger]

pumping more dps than a frost mage on cleave

my stats are 600 crit, 1200, haste, 600 mastery, 800 vers

[daring marlin]

so much vers lol

[wary badger]

15% crit, 17% haste, 25% mastery, 8% vers, 20% parry, 25% block

[sick sentinel]

I want to do double BoM but I get start getting too much rage

[wary badger]

i dump into revenge

or spam ignore pain

[daring marlin]

He just means at the start of the pull when the IP hasn't gotten chipped away yet.

[sick sentinel]

I don't want to look at my IP casts whenever I do BoM*2

[wary badger]

revenge

i cast last stand with avatar

spam the mc shit out of thunderclap and revenge

[sick sentinel]

Yeah let me tell revenge to stop being free

The fucking worst

[daring marlin]

why last stand when you can blow rage on SB?

o_O

[wary badger]

more dps

[daring marlin]

and yeah fuck free revenge

uh

no lol

nobody do what that guy just said pls

[wary badger]

works for me this week

i use revenge when its not on proc

since i aint gettin hit

xd

[daring marlin]

If you're using LS before using your SB charges you're boning yourself

[novel breach]

Oh man, blizzard is gonna read this and think"oh, prot warriors dont like doing dps. Nerf prot dps" lol

[wary badger]

im usually out of charges by the time i last stand

but normally

ive been mass pulling this week

and dumping all my rage into revenge

jump away at 40-50 stacks of necrotic

use my left over rage to soak necrotic

[novel breach]

Free revenge just means more ip. If your ip isn't getting eaten fast enough and you rage cap. Just pull bigger next time.

[daring marlin]

What is jumping away?

I'm a dark iron dwarf. I don't have to leave the fray.

[wary badger]

im blood elf

[daring marlin]

I'm sorry.

[wary badger]

i cleanse

cuz my dh dps is using it for combos

rofl

xD

[thorn mango]

so i just learned something new today,shimmering haven sucks ass fighting tol dagor overseer. wiped on him twice cause i was missing the safe spot on crossfire multiple times cause of that damn proc

[wary badger]

i just stand on the stairs

shimmering haven works xD

problem is

underneath the tent

i cant see shit

so i gotta zoom all the way in

during avatar

or i see a green tent and thats all

sadly

toldagor doesnt give my my trinket

so i cant swap out gear to more mastery yet

[daring marlin]

lucky boi bladesong got the trinket

395

he hates it

[wary badger]

its so good to line it up with avatar tho

[sand egret]

ewww

[wary badger]

more claps

[sand egret]

its so awkward

[wary badger]

im running vial and eye

i prefer sporepods

but no luck

[sand egret]

my issue is that outside of pull, it is funky

spore is gross too

proc rate is a) low and b) not reliable imho

[wary badger]

meh

better than barnacle

[sand egret]

i dont like jes cuz AM recks the cooldown of Avatar so it never lines up clean

[wary badger]

i track my trinket cds soo

im gucci

[sand egret]

rezans and block are the dream

i want that knot tho

[wary badger]

im running the alch trink

since i health pot a lot

this week

its proc is shit too

but the 40% bonus on pots is helping

[daring marlin]

ugh

knot is so bad

I hate on-use

[quiet crane]

What trink does blade got?

[oblique garnet]

Feather and syringe the actual dream combo

oh my god im actually the worst mage eu

[primal crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/526645949691592736/unknown.png

I'd like to make some tweaking tho

[astral crystal]

nuts

[quiet crane]

390 DC wut

😭

[steady slate]

what is that food that has a real quick eat time? i think it came out in legion

[jagged bay]

sugar crusted fish feast or so

[valid needle]

@oblique garnet do you have people that could boost me in a quick key bro

Ill pay n all

[oblique garnet]

huh?

in what 10+

?

[valid needle]

Ye

Atal preferably

[oblique garnet]

its 2 am my dude

[valid needle]

Ye

It's why im asking

The juicy times

[oblique garnet]

I can check after this dung

Gotta gear up my mage

[wide girder]

Late where ar u from

[valid needle]

HE'S FROM BICC BOI DRAENOR

[oblique garnet]

Finland @wide girder

[signal plover]

Do u even rally bro?

[oblique garnet]

@valid needle Dont have anyone online with +10 key

[valid needle]

It's k

[oblique garnet]

We can join a random +10 pug tho

if you want

@valid needle ?

[valid needle]

Nah nah

We can do some after reset

I got some bois to help me with a quick 10 atm

[oblique garnet]

aight

[sweet pike]

Where do you guys think prot ranks out of the 6 tanks now?

Give a separate rank for m+ vs raid

[quiet crane]

Not even 12 ok here for me yet

For

That’s in the eye of the beholder tbh.. you can hear people’s opinions but tanks are relatively close I’d say only mythic plus has a more established “rank” system if I’m interpreting it as whatbyou actually mean

[oblique garnet]

@sweet pike For raid in Top 3 or 2 in m+ probably the same

[sweet pike]

I just mean in general usefulness and maximizing your chances to push content

[quiet crane]

Well honestly prot or brew

(Opinion) however

They’re just super strong in both raiding and mythic plus content

[oblique garnet]

^

Rallying guard & safeguard are really useful

In prog

[quiet crane]

And brews well they got a built in dmg intake smoother passively

For prog and undergeared content brews will forever be taken

Due to their stagger mechanic

And warrs within their own strength physical are just monsters

And they have stupid dmg like I mean silly amounts

[sweet pike]

What do you think are the prot warrior's greatest strengths and weaknesses?

[narrow abyss]

physical and magic

[quiet crane]

Strengths anything blockable hands down

I wouldn’t say physical because of extensive dots

Hence I say block

[sweet pike]

Oh I've seen it myself, pulling ahead of dh's and boomies on certain pulls in m+

[narrow abyss]

yeah that's the more correct distinction

[quiet crane]

Weakness magic but ever tank is weak to it

[sweet pike]

Very true

[oblique garnet]

You mean every pull?

[quiet crane]

E.g of a physical bleed that’s hella dangerous is that add in KR

[sweet pike]

Yeah, just depends on what cds ya got

[quiet crane]

Or mythic harjatan in tos back in legion

[oblique garnet]

Assuming you pull big the entire dungeon you should have avatar up for 90% of the pulls

[sweet pike]

Oh shit, I remember that LMAO

[narrow abyss]

IP being off GCD and feeding into AM is insane

[oblique garnet]

Shrine and kr are probably the only ones where you cant pull as big

[quiet crane]

^

So if you want a tank that excels in both brm and warrs are what I’d consider top tier

But it’s forever changing

[sweet pike]

I have to say, it honestly is so satisfying jumping around and slamming into shit like a wrecking ball

[quiet crane]

So play what you want and learn it and you’el be good no matter what

[oblique garnet]

If you want a tank where you can just binge watch tv while progressing mythic roll brm

[quiet crane]

There’s rarely times classes aren’t viable

^^^

[sweet pike]

Fair enough, thanks guys!

[quiet crane]

As late said

[oblique garnet]

If you want a tank thats punishing for misplays play warrior

[sweet pike]

lmao

[quiet crane]

He made us sound shit lol but that’s pre much it

[sweet pike]

Yeah I like the razor's edge gameplay a lot more

[quiet crane]

I’d re word that as if you want a high risk high reward so to speak

Play warrior

[narrow abyss]

I think brew is probably safer if you care about that

[quiet crane]

That’s what I’d say

[narrow abyss]

But prot is fucking fun

[sweet pike]

Safety definitely has it's place, but I feel I'd get bored of it

*its

[quiet crane]

Still wish we had the old iterations of prot ).$

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah the pre 8.1 was fun

[quiet crane]

It won’t matter unless you’re like top 10 honestly

So play warr

[sweet pike]

Which was your favorite iteration?

[narrow abyss]

I don’t like that argument jay

[oblique garnet]

WotLK or cata warrior tbh

[quiet crane]

If you’re in a normal casual raiding guild

No it won’t matter at all

[narrow abyss]

Because the community rides the meta so much that even if you’re just shooting for 10s or whatever it’s hard to pug

[quiet crane]

If you’re within top 100 still should affect you because you must be good enough to handle a tank with more time to gear

Rather then going for that full mythic clear week 1

[oblique garnet]

Pugging 10s is ez if you have the rio to back it up

[quiet crane]

Sure if you pug but that’s not what was mention if you’re in a guild even one who just casually does shit together it ain’t gotta matter

And every tank is capable of clearing up to 15s with ease

That’s purely community stigma so no again I reinstate class choice really does not matter

And if you’re struggling push your own key and be picky if you like

And if you’re struggling people in this discord man are fucking legends so many people here are so nice and stuff I’d love to buy em a beer

Just ask and I’m sure people will come help myself included

[oblique garnet]

^ this discord actually helps people

[primal crypt]

hands down best tank to be right now is a guardian druid

top tier in raid and M+

[sweet pike]

I mean I wouldn't say we're casual, we cleared 6/8 before taking a break before next tier

Not CE, of course, but still, I'd say we got a little further than most

@quiet crane

[lusty grotto]

wtf did i miss

[uneven mason]

Nimchip, we're fucking legends

[sand egret]

i have 0 guild and pug exclusively and doing +10s is totally a thing. Honestly the “stigma” shit happens, but that wont stop you. You always get a key you can push yourself. Forge your r.io up and you’ll get up there.

I really dont subscribe to the sentiment that “people think prot sucks” > “ill never be able to push”

and im just responding to that sentiment a few lines up

merry xmas yall

[uneven mason]

I haven't run into a single issue pugging keys

I mean, the stigma mostly went out of the way when some streamers started running prot in their streams

and the trash numbers were rolling in

[sand egret]

^

[uneven mason]

"Holy fuck what is this" #1 DPS

[sweet pike]

Idk maybe it's different in eu or something, but here in NA people take just about anything into m+ other than a bear, provided your r.io is good

[uneven mason]

"Prot Utility" - Because shits that dead can't fucking hurt you.

[lusty grotto]

uhhh only Late is EU

and i forget which other

[sand egret]

basically, I saw on jdotb’s stream darkee going prot on WM cuz “its a prot dungeon” like it wasnt strong before lol

[lusty grotto]

we're all NA here mostly

[sick sentinel]

I'm EU as well

[sand egret]

im NA btw

[uneven mason]

@sweet pike I've actually started pugging 10s on my bear

because bear got a 16% damage buff

[sand egret]

and ask Nim

[uneven mason]

and thats all people see

[sand egret]

my bear does stuff 😃

[uneven mason]

"Bears got a buff so they must be good now"

[sick sentinel]

I've done a +15wm with a bear

[sweet pike]

I did not read those patch notes

[warm plinth]

This is a travesty. My girlfriend just said Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie.

[sick sentinel]

several people are typing

[sweet pike]

Were they doing such low damage that they got buffed in the DOUBLE FUCKING DIGITS?

[uneven mason]

WTF

[sand egret]

at the end of the day tanking requires something that bot everyone has

[uneven mason]

DIEHARD 1 and 2 are the greatest christmas films of all time

and to quote "MAN, THIS IS CHRISTMAS MUSIC(FILMS)"

@warm plinth Fucking curb that bitch

[sand egret]

yeah I mean Hans Gruber is a fantastic allegory to all that is wrong with the worls

[uneven mason]

find someone with taste

[oblique garnet]

You lot actually watch christmas movies?

[sand egret]

and its up to Bruce Willie to fucking drop his ass

[uneven mason]

If its DieHard

[warm plinth]

Just Die Hard

[sand egret]

in the name of Xmas

[sweet pike]

basically jut die hard

that fucking duct taped gun on the back

gets me every time

[warm plinth]

Brings a tear to my eye man

[sweet pike]

hell yeah

[sand egret]

so sad they cut out the watch scene

[uneven mason]

wat

[sand egret]

that movie would make SO much more sense

[uneven mason]

when did they cut it out?

do I have an amazing uncut version on VHS?

yes, fucking VHS

AMA

[drowsy relic]

whats the consensus on taking a on-use crit trinket and ravager? You can get almost 70% crit right would that be kinda worth?

[somber dragon]

wait

when was it cut?

[warm plinth]

"What's a VHS?" ~Gen Zers

[oblique garnet]

@drowsy relic njet blyat stop

[drowsy relic]

:/

[oblique garnet]

Dont do that

Please

[sweet pike]

wait up, hol up

I'm a gen z

[oblique garnet]

I said it as a meme

[drowsy relic]

i really like ravager i want to make this work

[sweet pike]

I KNOW WHAT A VHS IS

[warm plinth]

I apologize.

[sick sentinel]

@drowsy relic cease

[warm plinth]

I don't know what I was thinking.

[uneven mason]

DID SOMEBODY SAY
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png
CRIT?

[oblique garnet]

Oh god what have i done

[sweet pike]

LMAO

[sick sentinel]

CEASE I SAID

[drowsy relic]

now thats bleeding edge gameplay

[sand egret]

@uneven mason there’s a scene that was cut that shows Bruce meet Hans early and he acknowledges the watch which then ties in to how he recognizes him via the watch later

[oblique garnet]

You do couple dungeons with ravager on necrotic and say its not the worst and it catches on

[sand egret]

since his whole crew has the same watch

[uneven mason]

yeah I saw that

its on my VHS

[narrow abyss]

vhs lol

[sweet pike]

o shit

[uneven mason]

@drowsy relic don't take ravager, crit trinkets are OK

[sweet pike]

Did not know that

[sand egret]

i did some random +2 on my hunter and this lil warrior rolls in

[sick sentinel]

God I love skyhold

[sand egret]

has literally

all the meme talents

i was SO happy

[oblique garnet]

Blade was that EU?

[uneven mason]

"A soul I can help"

[sand egret]

i told him he was my hero

[uneven mason]

lol

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason shawrus has been debating for ravager for the whole week

[uneven mason]

TFW the prot warrior who has the meme talents, isn't trying to meme

[drowsy relic]

:/

[sand egret]

just body pulled

like no intercept

no throw

no taunt

just walk up to em

[drowsy relic]

now thats a real tank

[oblique garnet]

Yeah on wasnt me then lmao

[uneven mason]

thats how I tank on my druid

[sand egret]

what an absolute unit

[uneven mason]

I just walk around spamming swipe

[warm plinth]

I'm leveling toons right now, and the number of warriors who never use Thunder Clap but use Heroic Leap on cooldown hurts me to my core.

[uneven mason]

and makeing 🖕 emotes

[warm plinth]

I haven't gathered the courage to check talents yet.

[sick sentinel]

That's how a druid pulls

[oblique garnet]

I ran couple of low dungeons today to share the joy of christmas with people and i was using the meme talents

[sand egret]

haha yo real talk that massive range on Moonfire is legit

[warm plinth]

Literally had a couple who would wait for it to come off CD to pull

[uneven mason]

Galactic Guardian so fun

[sand egret]

tiny ass heroic throw range

[uneven mason]

Spamming moonfire is also a quality way to pull dungeons

I did a 7 for a friend

and literally just spammed moonfire the entire dungeon

[sand egret]

lol

[warm plinth]

+7, the highest dungeon a Guardian can tank 😉

[oblique garnet]

Lies

[sand egret]

best part about my lad

[warm plinth]

I'm just teasing.

[sick sentinel]

Lies I say

[uneven mason]

Guardians can do 15s, if anyone fucking played them

[sand egret]

was that this dude did like NOTHING for dps

[oblique garnet]

Guardian does better than prot on KR 8)

[sand egret]

that best served cold talentp

[sick sentinel]

I timed a +15 manor this week with a guardian druid, me as fury

[uneven mason]

go into the Guardian discord and there is one drunk bear in the corner passed out covered in piss, like the last dude at a rave the morning after

[drowsy relic]

no meme idk how warriors are going to deal with two berserkers without pushing stuns to max dr

i literally run with a frost dk for MC lol

[uneven mason]

is how

[oblique garnet]

Sacrifice a dps for it

[sand egret]

uh those zerkers are gameable

[sick sentinel]

Just parry the bleed

[uneven mason]

Also Dark Iron Dwarf

[oblique garnet]

My life > their lives

[drowsy relic]

but gnomes are the best prot warriors

small dudes with big shields

[uneven mason]

DID with dual berserkers are like "super sayan"

[sand egret]

and also, just pull em and take a quad stack

[oblique garnet]

Idgaf if a dps dies and i live due to unavoidable mechanic

[uneven mason]

THANKS FOR THE 1400STR

[warm plinth]

Dwarf > Gnome

[sick sentinel]

To be fair

[sand egret]

its only 800 str 😦

[sick sentinel]

If I was filthy alliance

[sand egret]

bleed counts as one buff

[uneven mason]

two berskers thats 2 sources

should be another 200

[sick sentinel]

I would play a gnome warrior

[sand egret]

its a single buff

that stacks

[uneven mason]

did they fix the source stacking?

cause I was getting like 2000str offa the shrroms first week in Underrott

[sand egret]

its always been like this

[uneven mason]

cause each source gave another 200str

[sick sentinel]

But I would reroll to dark iron

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/493563611269038100/526806138159759361/unknown.png
"Whatsup"

[warm plinth]

My war is a dwarf...kinda wanna reroll to DID but I'd have to relevel because heritage armor

[sand egret]

like taking off 30 stacks of necrotic doesnt give you 6k str lol

[sweet pike]

I didn't actually know they had that racial until RIGHT NOW

[warm plinth]

Those hammers are the shit

[sweet pike]

what in the fuck that's broken for KR

[uneven mason]

Dwarf and DID both have omnomnom "DoT" removal

which until we were getting buttfucked by DoTs wasn't that big a deal

but now its like godsend

[sand egret]

well its all debuffs

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but you don't get stats for it as regular Dwarf. You do get the 10% DR though

[sand egret]

😃

[uneven mason]

right

10% Physical DR

which is boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

DID kind've ends up being DR

because str = more armor/IP

[sand egret]

both are solid for their CD

[warm plinth]

Yeah it does. But DID are just cooler by default too, so they got that going for them.

[sand egret]

but one gets 4% ms inside

so speedy boo

[warm plinth]

Plus the mole machines which is just cool af

[sand egret]

basically gives tou access to every old raid

[oblique garnet]

Lul alliance

[warm plinth]

Not to mention my favorite dungeon of all time

[shut leaf]

I thought strength meant more xp per hour

[warm plinth]

Blackrock motherfuckin' Depths

[uneven mason]

yeah the iron dwarf teleport

literally takes you outside old raids

its so good for farming Xmog

[warm plinth]

What's the CD on that anyway?

[sweet pike]

not wAiLiNg cAveRnS?

[uneven mason]

30min

[shut leaf]

my favorite dungeon is the violet hold

[warm plinth]

Liar

No one's favorite dungeon is Violet Hold

[shut leaf]

you caught me red handed

[uneven mason]

I'm partial to occulous

[oblique garnet]

I like oculus 8)

[warm plinth]

I feel like if you like Oculus, you never had to do it before it scaled with ilevel.

[shut leaf]

coolest dungeon has to be either karazhan or OG UBRS

[warm plinth]

Glory of the Hero was a pain in my dick, and two weeks after I fiinished it, they made that change.

finished*

Old school Kara is pretty badass

[shut leaf]

I think it could be counted as a dungeon

It was a ten man right

[uneven mason]

I was really good at Occ

[warm plinth]

UBRS was 10 man yeah

[uneven mason]

so I liked it

[shut leaf]

I was talking Kara

[inland mesa]

I tanked old Kara as arms like a boss

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah it was 10

[shut leaf]

ye

[uneven mason]

Oldschool kara was fun

until you did it 300x

I ran 3 runs a week

because I was a raidleader

[warm plinth]

I probably actually did it 300 times. I used to run PUGs almost every night for fun.

[oblique garnet]

I miss the times ulduar was current

[shut leaf]

^^

[inland mesa]

And you still don't have the mount

[shut leaf]

Was about to say

[uneven mason]

Warrior-Shaman-Rogue all 3 toons, the rogue and shaman was just for that raid

[shut leaf]

I wish I was good when Ulduar was being done

[warm plinth]

I don't actually. Thanks for rubbing that in.

😭

[shut leaf]

that sounds like the pinnacle of raiding

[warm plinth]

Idk I did a little bit of Ulduar but I didn't care for it tbh.

[shut leaf]

I just like the style

[inland mesa]

I wish I was good ever so I could have big boy io

[oblique garnet]

Hard mode yoggyboi 8)(8

[shut leaf]

It was one raid and you could change the difficulty depending on how you approached the bosses

Sounds flippin cool

[warm plinth]

The best part of the T4-T6 days were the complete lack of gear score

was*

[oblique garnet]

And then that one fuck made the addon

And ruined everything

[warm plinth]

Yeah, what a douchebag

[inland mesa]

Raid to get gear isn't of do a +10 TD and get a 390 jes howler

[warm plinth]

Actually had the chance to prove yourself even if you were playing catch-up. If you sucked, you got kicked. If not, you got to stay. Gear level be damned.

[oblique garnet]

”Oh youre not 6k gs oh too bad cant join this icc nm pug thats gonna kill 3 bosses”

[warm plinth]

Right 😂

[oblique garnet]

10/10

[shut leaf]

Now we got R.io and stuff like that

[oblique garnet]

Its like now people are asking for 1.5k io for a +10 or not acceptint nothing but bdk

[shut leaf]

So many more numbers than we need

[oblique garnet]

Atleast r.io more or less represents your skill

[shut leaf]

But I guess with such a big player base to compete against ever since crossrealm it’s kinda needed

[warm plinth]

To be fair though, we need R.io and shit like that now. Because the community isn't there. Everyone is detached, so you have to prove you can handle the content or they couldn't give a fuck less.

[oblique garnet]

Gearscore was nothing but oh you got alot of gear

[inland mesa]

1400 io got denied for a 10 AD last night

[shut leaf]

Yeah exactly

[warm plinth]

Yeah gearscore you could literally be carried to by your guild, and no one would know better.

Until you were 25th on the DPS meters behind the healers XD

[shut leaf]

ilvl only real stat feelsbadman

unless mom axing

minmaxxing*

[oblique garnet]

Long ago actually had a girl in guild who pretty much did things for the rl in exchange for loot and she was bottom dps even though she had like the best gear

She was using rank 1 spells

[warm plinth]

Ahhh spell ranks

[shut leaf]

Spell ranks :D

Neat rpg aspect

[warm plinth]

Using rank 1 moonfire to kill shaman totems that had 5 hp

[shut leaf]

Sucked for newbs

[inland mesa]

Is your unarmed skill max for arenas bruh

[warm plinth]

Those were the days

[shut leaf]

lmaoooo skills too

good but strange times

[inland mesa]

Thank God vanilla is the pinnacle of wow

[warm plinth]

BOOM

[oblique garnet]

Classic will be shit

You can quote me on that

[shut leaf]

I guess every patch in wow is good for its own reasons except for the indisputable shit patches

WoD never happened

[ancient reef]

Lol i rem having to raise wrp skills

[warm plinth]

At least they aren't charging extra for classic

[oblique garnet]

Yeah true

But its not gonna be good

[shut leaf]

Can’t wait for it tbh, not as good as TBC maybe but it’s still fun

[warm plinth]

I honestly was really surprised at that. I would have bet money they were gonna charge $10 a month or something

[oblique garnet]

I cant see how people would enjoy spending 4 hours to find a group able to clear one fucking dungeon that last another 4 hour

[shut leaf]

Community

[warm plinth]

But you can't bring the community back.

[oblique garnet]

Fk the community

[shut leaf]

It’s a lot of community tbh

[oblique garnet]

Its not gonna be the same

[warm plinth]

The WoW playerbase is too toxic to have a community.

[oblique garnet]

It will never be the same again

[warm plinth]

It's too far gone

[oblique garnet]

No matter what

[inland mesa]

TBC with muru and kj pre nerf would be a challenge

[shut leaf]

When you need people to help you out, trust me, they’ll learn

[oblique garnet]

People are way too used to QoL changes in game

[warm plinth]

People are gonna bring ilevel to it, and then you'll have raider io, etc.

[narrow abyss]

Won’t be the same

Guarantee it

[shut leaf]

Won’t be the same agreed

[sick sentinel]

it's 4 in the morning and I just came up with the greatest redesign for ravager

[warm plinth]

You have to remember ilevel was always a thing; it just wasn't visible. They'll have an addon for it on day 1

[shut leaf]

But it’s still fun, and there is a group of people there to play it

[oblique garnet]

Classic will only be fun if you have a group to play with

[shut leaf]

Idk about you guys tho that’s just me

[oblique garnet]

If you play with randoms its not gonna be fun

[sick sentinel]

make it disarm you for the duration and remove SS CD during its duration

[warm plinth]

I'm sure I'll check it out at some point but I can't see me playing it for anything serious because I know what it was like back then just from a mechanics/class standpoint, and I don't want that back.

[oblique garnet]

0% chance of enjoyment unless you like the solo content

[shut leaf]

That games just not meant for the current WoW playerbase tbh

[oblique garnet]

The talents are something i liked better than the ones we have mow

Now

[narrow abyss]

It’s not meant for current gamer base now

In general

[shut leaf]

Agreed

[warm plinth]

What patch did they say it was gonna be? Like 1.1?

[shut leaf]

7.3.5

Based around 1.12.1