35€ is less than 60€ for a boost to 110
#protection
drowsy relic
we literally talked about you last night in my group lol
chilly brook
I’m bad at leveling then because I take more than 6 hours
potent anvil
fury is pretty strong in keys. do you mean like how i survive or? because i run 0 resounding protection in my m+ fury gear lol
potent anvil
2x vampiric speed, because azerite rng
drowsy relic
ahh its showing on raider.io that you're timing keys in fury spec but you have prot traits and talents in those keys
- trinkets*
potent anvil
i could, yeah. im just erring on the side of caution when i play prot lol
oblique garnet
Nah dont worry about it man you have good enough gear to pull off big dick dps
oblique garnet
Yup
drowsy relic
thats a ridiculous titanforge
drowsy relic
wow
potent anvil
i wish i had 1 bom piece lol, saving residuum for one
drowsy relic
is it worth to drop ilvls for BoM though? you have 385 azerites right?
oblique garnet
Check your item restoration page thats where i got mine @potent anvil idm dropping ilvl for some extra dps since it adds up to around 2k + overall dps
If you feel like you need additional survivability i dont recommend it
potent anvil
yeah, ill have to look. i wouldnt mind dropping to a 375 one tbh. just havent gotten a chance to sift thru it
drowsy relic
have you guys done atal this week?
do you know how we deal with the 6 pack on the left side of the dungeon when they start enraging?
i swear when it enrages and charges a random player its one shotting them
oblique garnet
? You mean before priestess?
drowsy relic
i think its the juggernauts
the ones where the shieldbearers of zul die by themselves when you walk up to it
oblique garnet
Makesure you interrupt the fanatics rage or w/e its called
Oh i never done that side
I kill the pack before volkaal 99% of the time
drowsy relic
holy shit youre right increases damage by 20% and with enrage thats insane
oblique garnet
Ye
potent anvil
human side? there's a spot for a range or healer to bait juggernaut charges in which they will fail to do it because they wont reach making that pull extremely trivial
oblique garnet
I think doing that side makes too much back and forth running so i dont think its worth especially since you can pull the stealth adds and one of the totem backs even before you get to the double honorguard pack for %
drowsy relic
ive got a boomy one sec i think i know where youre saying
oblique garnet
And that side always has infesteds on the adds that insta die and i dont trust my group to get them fast enough
potent anvil
yeah
potent anvil
you tank everything by the top of the stairs so he'll be in range
drowsy relic
kk will do, ty ty
finite gull
Im rocking 2x BoM and 1DC actually so fun seeing the numbers haha. Don't sacrifice alot in terms of defensive secondaries which is nice
drowsy relic
i just want to do bigger pulls since we've got a boomy with beam and im running a ww monk atm
so we've got two aoe stuns
oblique garnet
Go for it
oblique garnet
You can chain the first stealther with the honorguard and then pull the 2 shield bastards and the stealthers on top of the stsirs
Stairs
keen galleon
Am I doing something wrong w/ Raidbots? It's telling me protection warriors aren't supported.
amber siren
we don't have any working prot sims atm
keen galleon
ooof.
it looks like prot warriors are literally the only spec in the game not supported. Why?
zinc mauve
thunder clap is too strong to sim
keen galleon
lol
well
that may not be wrong
I really, really wish I could sim out booming voice vs devastator tho
amber siren
prot warriors were given a bad rep at the start of the expansion, most competitive players went different classes so there wasnt much support to really code and support it
keen galleon
got it, so it'll probably get fixed now that everyone is gonna be running one in Dazar'Alor
amber siren
maybe but at this point most sims are just being updated rather than completely written anew so who knows
keen galleon
our icy veins is very defensively focused. it's weird to see a tank page actually talk about tanking stuff vs how to maximize damage while getting punched in the face LOL
fleet pier
is there a sheet for reflectable spells through BfA dungeons? Ive seen the Uldir ones, just interested in the dungeon ones, cant seem to find ;p
Im stupid.. I found it, sorry!
oblique garnet
The icy veins guide is mostly focused on raid if im not wrong
final mist
IV is focused on both DPS and defensive. Due to the nature of our kit (and similarly to other tanks like BRM), maximizing DPS will also maximize survival.
That's partially because our best talents are so rigid, and also partially because of the interaction AM has with BV and UF (through Demo Shout and Avatar).
drowsy relic
ayyy finally 1.8k io, prot is such a good tank for keys this week
with leap on a short cd and 2 intercepts its the best tank for kiting
we're probs the second best tank for necrotic since we dont have a rop like brew
but definitely better than dk
steady fiber
Hi guys, for AD what way better to chose? I mean go left or right after dino ?
bcs was thinking and dunno 🤔
drowsy relic
i was literally about to @little rain and ask him that lol
hes destroying AD this week
apparently if you have a ranged on the pillar you can go left side and the pull should be easy
they will try to charge but wont reach the ranged(healer or dps) making the pull simple
old zephyr
I do 1 pack left; and then roght witj some skips
or right without skips
I now have a BoM pice but it's 375, would it be worth dropping my 390 (BfI) for M+?
drowsy relic
apparently the consensus on this discord is that itsnot worth
but alot of warriors on raider.io are dropping helms for it
if you feel survivability isnt an issue go for it
potent anvil
BoM traits are really strong for m+ in terms of damage while giving a bit of survivability (block + crit block). A 390 BfI is probably more consistent, I would imagine since its not tied to avatar use.
sick sentinel
I have swapped to 2BoM+DC and I am missing the boss DPS that BfI was giving me
dreamy owl
sick sentinel
I have been coining mother since forever and no helm
the week after I gamble an azerite helm
she drops it
I hate this game sometimes
the question now is the following : 2x390BoM or do I swap my BoM helm for mother helm? (for m+)
sick sentinel
I am talking specifically for mythic plus
right now, with double BoM I get to 50% mastery ( 50% for crit block and 38.5% attack power) with avatar, compared to 28% mastery ( 28% crit block and 16% attack power)
steady slate
Good morning!
silk mortar
Good morning
Also i believe the 2 BoM should be better. Gives you lots of dmg and a little defense. Especially if you got a boomie with treants or an earth elemental up >;P
worthy dagger
how much mastery does it give on a 390 piece?
inland ice
Heya, I'm sorry for bringing it up- why is Bastion of Might rated so poorly? The Icy Vein guide says it's because it's hard to line up the Ignore Pain, but...
Isn't the extra Mastery really nice for just dealing more damage with it?
Or is damage done completely unimportant?
And is there any thought at all given to "Ancients Bulwark"? I did not see it
floral tinsel
The guides need some update, but it's a bit early as you would have to update the guide again after release of the raid
sick sentinel
@inland ice the guide is for the raid, where BoM is not good
BoM is really good for m+
inland ice
Oh I see- I must've missed where it said that, I just scrolled straight to the traits.
floral tinsel
I personally think a single BoM and a single DC is what you want.. Even in raid
sick sentinel
@floral tinsel the guilde got updated with 8.1 and Marok will probably update it for 8.1.5
inland ice
I sort of think so too, but I don't really know. I'm a newb Prot Wariror.
But in dungeons, I like having the free FP since otherwise when I pull I feel a bit exposed.
sick sentinel
BoM is good if you have it once for raids, the optimal raid setup will probably be 3xBfI, 1BomM, 1 DC + 1xsomething else (probably IF)
inland ice
I got hella lucky with the Worldboss in Darkshore, so I've got the 385 helm with the new trait. Maybe you experienced fellas could weigh in?
In case you don't know what "Ancient's Bulwark" is:
worthy dagger
i scrapped mine
inland ice
Standing still gives 274 Vers, Moving heals for 573 every 0.8 sec.
Is it a really awful trait? I like it simply because it gives me actual interaction.
But it seems sort of odd.
worthy dagger
i prefer archive
sick sentinel
Prot traits are better than any neutrals
Archive can be on par sometimes but thats about it
inland ice
I've barely raided on my Prot Warrior, so I ain't got any Uldir stuff, sadly!
floral tinsel
Ancients Bulwark is weak compared to all the bis prot traits
sick sentinel
If you're doing m+ don't even bother
inland ice
I gotcha! I'll go for Brace for Impact in that case.
floral tinsel
Yeah
sick sentinel
Just get DC, BoM and brace for impact
floral tinsel
Archives and/or IF are not far behind Bfi
inland ice
And 3 Crystalline Carapace, which probably isn't quite as good.
I don't know how that works.
sick sentinel
After that it's inner trait/ middle trait min-maxing
inland ice
If it stacks or not.
sick sentinel
IV is the best inner trait
floral tinsel
It should stack
inland ice
Is there an internal cooldown on it?
floral tinsel
Middle traits are kinda meh either way.. I preffer the one that gives just flat haste
sick sentinel
OP is better than you think it is
floral tinsel
- one more
inland ice
I don't have much gear to toss around, so I'll take what I can. The guide is a bit hazy when it comes to stacking.
sick sentinel
Just ask here :P
inland ice
I am, hah!
The prot warrior is my alt, and overall I'm a bit in torpor when it comes to WoW.
But the 8.1 patch made it a whole lot more fun to play.
I can't believe how much smoother and -right- it feels to have it off the GCD.
floral tinsel
Correction: Azerite trait stacking is hazey in general
Like, I assume Crystalline Carapace stacks, because I know Gemhide stacks and they are similar... However I would not be surprised if someone told me otherwise
sick sentinel
The general rule is as following
inland ice
I can't really make any changes based on the knowledge, but I like knowing.
sick sentinel
If something gets increased with ilvl, it stacks
oblique garnet
@inland ice crystallince carapace is good trait
inland ice
Oh I'm aware! But I've got 3x of it, and if it doesn't stack, it's not as good maybe 😛
Imma have to go and find something big to smack me around a bit haha
What's the general perception of Prot Warriors these days, fellas?
They considered good now?
They've got more Rage and better, smoother mitigation with the FP change- and just more stats too!
sick sentinel
viable
I summoned my inner nimchip
V i a b l e
Like, im doing 16s no problem and lstr does 18s and shit
inland ice
Hey that's good enough for me!
Prot warrior along with DH Veng are the most exciting tanks to play
So it's nice to be viable! Both raid and dungeon.
... trying to find out if it stacks or not is proving oddly challenging!
The worldboss doesn't hit hard enough!
oblique garnet
Theres still couple of groups that want bdk for the sake of bdk but they usually dont even know why they would want bdk
floral tinsel
I'm doing 6/8 M uldir and 16's in M+... And I feel that the only thing holding me back are by own fat fingers.... Prot is definitely viable, but there are speccs with more failsafes: Blood DK in m+ is crazy just based on utility alone. BM monk have unrivalled utility and are nearly unlikable in raids, protecting pala can cheese a lot if things with immunity cooldowns.
gaunt dawn
To be blunt
floral tinsel
Prot warrior is a lot of fun to play now though. Beating dps at big pulls with amazing AOE.
floral tinsel
^^
gaunt dawn
Not the content or class
Neither are egregiously difficult
There are groups that like fotm
But fotm only breaks when someone pushes it
Youll never break that barrier in a pug
So why try and expect it to happen
oblique garnet
idk its possible to pug 16s
maybe even higher as long as you are using voice comms
sick sentinel
I now have a consistent group that I found while pugging
We pushed a key to +15 and we decided that discord was needed and we made a new discord and run for the whole day
And it has started getting bigger slowly
sick sentinel
Yeah, of course
Before the recent push week with bursting I had like 1.1k, now I have 1.5k and invites are almost instant
oblique garnet
I get invited to pretty much every high key besides KR
prisma viper
KR is bullshit, cruised through a +11 Tyrannical yesterday, and I got wrecked by Zul, on 11, tyrannical. Thats bullshit. On 11!
oblique garnet
How? It doesnt even get affected by tyrannical
Did your healer fall asleep or what
Huh pets count as things hit by the drill smash in ML
Like if you place your pet at the pillar where he drill smash it counts as 2 hits
quiet crane
Yeah... zul is affected by fort Nossen buddy lol
silk mortar
Still dangerous ;D
oblique garnet
jesus temple is a joke
keen galleon
yeah
quiet crane
I never used to like doing it because people never understood the first boss
keen galleon
first boss is a bit sketchy
quiet crane
^ looool
oblique garnet
First and 3rd boss are hard this week
3rd boss purely because of necrotic
But first boss is aids since they changed adderis to rotate with the player who he targets
sick sentinel
I haven't got any temple keys lately
We're just getting manors and kings restd
And shrines
oblique garnet
I got into a 17 temple pug
We scuffed the 17 at first boss and just 2 chested the 16
mellow quartz
adderis might turn with you after he starts cyclone cast but his cast will always be aimed at the direction he started the cast in
oblique garnet
Yeah
But if you dont see that first time since it overlaps with the statick shock you die
Which was the cause of our wipe
little rain
@steady fiber @drowsy relic This is more or less what I've been doing for AD, just import the paste into MDT https://pastebin.com/PXtPLAt0
livid tendon
does IP count as healing
ember arrow
it counts for hps
it doesnt count for anything that modifies healing
since its an absorb
merry bane
Howdy fellas, How we doing this weekend
@livid tendon I believe the only one that works for warriors is Victory Rush. Maybe Second Wind
ember arrow
healing abilities are usually abilities that are directly healing, not thigns that do damage and heal
since Death strike does dmg and heal, and doesnt interact with "healing abilities"
tacit smelt
Maybe azerite veins too but haven't tested that new trait to know
merry bane
So then Victory Rush or Impending Victory
ember arrow
are procs "healing abilities"?
merry bane
An ability is something thats activated or cast
ember arrow
that definition is from where?
tacit smelt
That's something we need to test to be sure what parameters we are working with
merry bane
I always just assumed that. That is a trait onthose pieces
I am reading and anything on abilities is what goes on your action bar or what is activated by the user
shell galleon
what are the highest keys u guys get into pugs ?
shell galleon
nobody like +17 ? like lol
oblique garnet
17
ember arrow
in legion best was 27
oblique garnet
it depends entirely on what dungeon
tacit smelt
16
merry bane
I hate KR
silk mortar
Not to bad, the only dungeons where my healer actually accepts me as a prot warr ^^
shell galleon
first day of tanking but tanking only m+ so far as ive informed myself from pins and guides, smartest move to go is 2x BoM and 1 DC for max dps output amirite
oblique garnet
yeah
shell galleon
ty
shell galleon
i havent seen azerite pieces drop in the chest at the end of m+ did i had bad luck or did they also removed that ?
@silk mortar i give my best shot 😛
oblique garnet
Azerite pieces cant drop from weekly cache anymore
shell galleon
i know that
but i mean at the end when u finish a m+
basically the instance loot
silk mortar
Pretty sure azerite pieces has never been a part of that loot table
oblique garnet
m+ is the most fun kkontent this expansion has
silk mortar
True
shell galleon
is it worth getting a 2nd DC trait over Archive? in m+
cant i sim or do anything similiar as a tank ?
i feel so lost
dense pivot
shut summit
no, archive would be better dmg than 2nd DC
drowsy relic
@little rain ty ❤
sick sentinel
I've tanked pug 15s and I have pugged a dps in one of my 16s@shell galleon
primal crypt
Anyone know why Bury the Hatchet trait shows different numbers over different sources?
sick sentinel
??
primal crypt
in-game vs logs
sick sentinel
I guess the absorb can crit?
primal crypt
hmm
sick sentinel
Also affected by vers
primal crypt
nevermind, I think I was reading it wrong
logs show the proper max absorbed
actually
I think you're right @sick sentinel
Logs show higher max absorb
primal crypt
just an increase, not sure which was the changing factor
In game tooltip says 14,753 absorb max
primal crypt
I was hoping it was going to be much stronger
But it's so niche
Since I have to kb
:(
shut summit
same thing happens with bloodsport, vers increases it but doesnt increase tooltip amount
primal crypt
@shut summit thanks <3
sick sentinel
During avatar, I get a lot of KBs :P
primal crypt
Yeah, I do too
Thats why I started using it
Just to see how effective it really could be
sick sentinel
But I would always take IV or prydaz over it
primal crypt
Using tons of victory rushes
sick sentinel
Or gemhide
sick sentinel
Because I need most of the healing before stuff starts dying
primal crypt
Enough bury the hatchet
I agree @sick sentinel
I was just hoping something new would have happened with the trait
sick sentinel
When I get victory rushes, they are enough to keep me up anyway
primal crypt
Super disappointed
sick sentinel
I would love that trait on the skyhold vs uldir mythic run
Since we were running impending victory
primal crypt
Same....
primal crypt
Also a let down
silk mortar
IV to good
primal crypt
Maybe as dps
It might help every 1.5m
But the slow is trumped by other dps anyway
sick sentinel
It saved my ass a lot this week
primal crypt
Pretty decent shield
sweet kayak
Crystalline Carapace can be stacked?
sick sentinel
what is a better stat for prot war? Vers or Mastery stacking
haste > vers or haste > mast
sick sentinel
does vers also make your ignore pain bigger ?
oblique garnet
mastery does
sick sentinel
im at 1086 haste and 901 mastery atm .. but cant really figure what is better. Icy-Veins , wowhead and noxxic tell other things
vocal nimbus
both are very close to each other
open bluff
remember kids, you can't spell noxxic without (t)oxxic
sick sentinel
It was fine like back in cataclysm
But it has gone downhill after that
I actually wanna check it out , completely out of curiosity
oh god it has a pawn string for prot
Well to be fair, the way it is set up it will prioritize ilvl>haste>the rest so it can't be that bad
But still, using pawn...
ancient reef
sick sentinel
it suggests punish ok I am done
primal crypt
See if they run ravager
sick sentinel
lol haha
sick sentinel
1223211
valid needle
Is Crackling Thunder not better?
sick sentinel
The second tier is up to you mostly
It is the only tier you actually have a choice
No talent is strictly better than the others, all of them are good
i run with 1
Your other real choice is rumbling earth vs storm bolt
sick sentinel
Crackling thunder has the potential to have a negative impact, by breaking CCs and pulling unnecessary neutral mobs, whereas bounding stride is a strict gain
primal crypt
the strictest
sick sentinel
This might be to feelcraft-y but when I used cracking I missed bounding stride, but when I'm using bounding I don't miss cracking
Sometimes I'm glad I don't have it
warm plinth
Yeah extra range on TC has always just seemed like a negative to me. I get why you might want it, but Bounding Stride has always just been better to me, and Crackling Thunder has just been something that would cause more problems than it would solve.
tulip pond
Had to go check Noxxic myself too if it's still as bad as people say and oh god what my eyes had to see
oblique garnet
I personally like CT better since it helps when that fire mage crits on an opener and overaggroes when im pulling big
warm plinth
Idk what you mean @tulip pond These guides are top-notch 😂
tulip pond
Tells you to use stam flask and pot 🤔
And their prot pala guide says that prot still uses holy power
tulip pond
Brewmaster guide tells to purify on yellow and use Expel harm with 3 or more orbs
warm plinth
Oh dear
oblique garnet
Wdym using revenge whenever its available?
I use it for max dps
Whenever its up
warm plinth
I want to know where they get this shit. You can tell the potion/flask suggestions were based on their artifical weights though.
Yeah I use revenge whenever it's up too. Shield Block and Ignore Pain are for pussies.
oblique garnet
TFW you get declined into 15 TD and see the same guy asking people for 11 after an hour
warm plinth
Oof
sweet kayak
Crystalline Carapace can be stacked? ^^
oblique garnet
yes
sweet kayak
Right, thanks!
thorn mango
get rid of a motherlode key,gain waycrest in its place,feels bad man lol at least i finally got rid of that after bout 3 days of not giving a damn 😄
oblique garnet
waycrest is good for prot
oblique garnet
theres so many things where you can SR
lapis gust
Brace for Impact or Meticulous sheming - I already have a Brace so it woud be the 2nd one of that ?
oblique garnet
@lapis gust 2nd bfi
scarlet vortex
quick question, how many ilvl is brace impact worth over iron fortress?
would be my second brace for impact trait then
lusty grotto
none
you only sacrifice ilvl for DC, none of the other traits are worth sacrificing ilvl for
scarlet vortex
kk, thanks
thorn mango
fun fact,when a balance druid doesnt use force of nature,your going to have a rough time,beat the timer.....but barely lol
lusty grotto
you can do them without
i timed a few 11s yesterday without them
you just can't dps
thorn mango
let me put it this way,treants probbly would have saved most of the deaths we had lol,granted a fee of em was cause i pulled multi packs,but others was cause of necrotic stacks
lusty grotto
no need to explain
thorn mango
and another thing,i got motherlorde 8 as my reward,almost want to bash my head against the wall when i saw that lmao,turned motherlorde into a waycrest,and now back again 😄
lusty grotto
shrug
thorn mango
im not used to tanking mythic pluses lol,this is probbly my first "max level" tank,since the first month of BFA,i have a paladin that i never touched after unlocking dark iron
thorn mango
not to mention its easy as shit to pull multi packs,i finished it with 4% to spare,and pulled probbly more then i should have at the end,was an "exposive" ending,so to speak hahaha
lusty grotto
witches aren't easy if people dont know what they are doing
hidden bluff
Are wars a higher apm tank class than dk?
vocal nimbus
certainly
hidden bluff
How they looking for next patch?
lusty grotto
next.... patch?
hidden bluff
8.3
lusty grotto
how are they looking for next patch? us?
how would we know, PTR for that isn't even up
come back in 2 months maybe
vocal nimbus
i'd wait for 7.3.2 @hidden bluff
hidden bluff
@vocal nimbus ?
thorn mango
@hidden bluff 8.3 is a LONG WAYS off man,you shouldnt bother asking how warriors will look like 7 months from now
green bison
8.2 is like 4-5months off and 8.3 would be like 7 to 10months...
hidden bluff
I meant 8.2 lol but war is fine at tanking unless your really pushing m+?
I’m just getting back into playing
sharp lotus
i just jumped back in and with the changes we seem adequate for 10s
lusty grotto
we are fine right now
green bison
i've had no problems up to +15
sharp lotus
the issue im having is holding aggro right on pull with aggressive DHs
lusty grotto
no reason why you should be losing threat as a warrior
lusty grotto
uhhh you shouldn't ever forget bootyclap in M+
sharp lotus
i just came back after not playing at all
i should go thunderclap radius talent then right?
lusty grotto
i see
not necesarily
you need to avoid that talent like the plague if you're CCing or skipping stuff
sharp lotus
true
oblique garnet
Not really
daring marlin
^
oblique garnet
just watch your position
oblique garnet
I do m+ to make my dps feel bad theres no other reason to do it :^)
sharp lotus
lol
lusty grotto
shrug
oblique garnet
nim is just salty
daring marlin
hellyeahbrother
lusty grotto
no, im just annoyed that you keep recommending stuff to people that probably are doing sub 10s
sand egret
hmmm so I was in my BoM gear...and switched to arms for some shit....wowie does Avatar make your deep wounds hurt lol
lusty grotto
like "by all means use it" without saying that its mostly personal preference
sand egret
1k mastery on that cd is nuts
sand egret
i'm exploring the weird world of not-prot warriors
main vault
That wierd world is coming to prot too
sand egret
weird...
oblique garnet
its not even personal preference its better since the its good for keeping aggro from slipping away from you
slow rover
stat priority 4 prot guys ?
lusty grotto
urban walrus
Is there a consensus when new raid drops and we have 2 rows of traits, what traits we should try and get? - Obviously there is a preference for offensive/defensive and in between
daring marlin
get item level
lusty grotto
same ones we have on the guides
urban walrus
so 1 DC, 2 BFI, 2 IF, 1 BS ? - Even for raids I think there is something to be said about BoM
lusty grotto
BoM isnt as strong in raids
oblique garnet
its still strong
lusty grotto
not in progression
urban walrus
I dunno, I feel I'd rather have 1 IF and BoM over 2 IF
oblique garnet
extra mastery never hurts even in progression
urban walrus
and the IP is nice to smooth rage usage
lusty grotto
with 2 rings
lusty grotto
of course you will pick BoM over whatever else
but for progression you probably do need the better defensive options
so if you're faced against a BoM vs IF/BFI you will pick the latter
urban walrus
I guess it comes down to you will probably never really get round to having to choose and there is no bad bad traits
urban walrus
You've lost me 😦
lusty grotto
lol
open bluff
so are the new (400/415) alch stones worth pursuing or am i better off sticking with BS for the belt/pants
lusty grotto
apparently it is
open bluff
counterpoint: decent trinkets
oblique garnet
spam m+ to get good trinkets
primal crypt
Alch isn't for the trinket
it's for the 2 hr flask
and procs on potions
you have to be an avid farmer/crafter
alche also has the highest yield of gold
urban walrus
I dont think much has been done to theory craft it but it look a bit meh, its nice to have a 415 trinket -not sure how long it will take to craft though?
oblique garnet
couple of weeks
urban walrus
I feel the stats from legs will be a bigger impact
primal crypt
and a little bit of luck
urban walrus
Not sure if you'd rely on AMR data but going off their data it looks like its weighted on the side of survivability over dps
oblique garnet
imagine being in method and spamming islands for 12 hours a day to get to 42 neck
lusty grotto
getting it on all my chars 😃
oblique garnet
no they are farming to 42
urban walrus
even some top 100 guilds are being "asked" to get 38 or more on mains
oblique garnet
4th ring on chest
urban walrus
(defensive traits)
primal crypt
whew
lusty grotto
christ i dont even remember what i'm at
jade socket
urban walrus
yeah its 43 for mythic week I assume tho
oblique garnet
im at 37 now should i just go for the 42 LUL
urban walrus
you wont get 42 without spamming mythic islands tho
oblique garnet
he is 43 tho
urban walrus
If you clear world quests you might get to 40
urban walrus
Feels rip, by halting AP gains it has forced people who want traits when gear drops to farm AP and people who don't care about traits to ignore AP
no idea why m+ and raids give negligible AP
oblique garnet
42-43 is only 700 islands 🤔
urban walrus
thats a yikes
but I guess if they didnt stop AP scaling most people would get most of the useful traits by the time the gear drops just by doing passive things
Not that that's a bad thing
Gotta keep people on the treadmill with some sort of carrot :X
vocal nimbus
A putrid one
oblique garnet
lul
sand egret
i literally just got a 370 rezan's w/socket last night
primal crypt
@sand egret need to farm more
sand egret
ew get that out of my sight
daring marlin
filthy cow
sand egret
haha yeah but now im in the situation: 370 w/ socket rezan's vs 380 gore block
sand egret
im doing it
primal crypt
do itt
lusty grotto
hey
warm plinth
Looks like there's gonna be a new 
in BoD. They knew it would come; that's why they didn't take the emoji away.
warm plinth
Essentially, yeah. Except instead of taking the damage over 10 seconds, it absorbs healing equal to 60% of the damage it prevented.
warm plinth
So kinda like Purgatory I guess
warm plinth
Nah I think :literalgarbage: was for RGM, not haft
I've seen Thyme in other class Discords. Haven't seen Krotos in a long time D:
sharp lotus
only trink that has dropped for me so far is dooms fury, and it TFed to 390
warm plinth
RIP
pulsar prawn
what weapon enchant do i use for prot
mint adder
the haste one
shut leaf
@daring marlin here I cant even replace the 340 I got before uldir dropped 😛
oblique garnet
@shut leaf What other trinkets do you have ? o.O
shut leaf
None I can’t manage to win any
My other one is the Fathoms deck
Im not prot idk why I’m here
oblique garnet
its the best channel
primal crypt
F
oblique garnet
Tfw you do a ml and the ele shaman complains that you dont pull big enough when i have no reliable way to reset necrotic and they dont interrupt the earthshapers so 3 casts of rocklance hits you when they are raging 8))
lusty grotto
but yamo do you need a nimchipadin?
or alt boosterino
lol Late
you should just have told him, your pain is my pain
oblique garnet
And then they dont take me to freehold 8)))
lusty grotto
f them
oblique garnet
I miss fun times with friends
violet zodiac
Hi
astral crystal
i remember when bfa was fresh
sco was doing UR m+ on his prot warr
and someone told him sporepod was bis trinket for warr
violet zodiac
U gay?
astral crystal
he went with it
i live for the dark iron dick homie
drop trou ill show you what's up
violet zodiac
The fuck
lusty grotto
that sounds like sco
violet zodiac
What?
astral crystal
you alright bud?
shy yarrow
Hey guys 👋 , been pushing keys 10-14 as prot and wondering how you guys determine what and when to use offensive & defensive trinkets/ determine is something is a upgrade / , as raidbots doesn’t work ,
lusty grotto
if youre pushing 14+ keys use dps trinkets
you should be comfortable by then to know when you need the extra defensive stats and when you need the offensive push
but if you are clearing consistently, it means you know what to do in those runs, so offensive will help you push for better timers
wtf yamo you're in a shrine
got a tasty WM 😃
shy yarrow
Yeah know these Dungs like the back of my hand , so you would suggest the ilvl being always better in that sense then
lusty grotto
yeah i would say that's an appropriate view
lusty grotto
screw your sporpods guilfart!
lusty grotto
y u gotta h8
daring marlin
make it suck less shit
lusty grotto
its gud if it suk
lusty grotto
yikes
lusty grotto
yeah but fuck azerite globules
daring marlin
since OP doesn't exist on gear
lusty grotto
fucking pos trait that breaks cc
daring marlin
for me anyway
lusty grotto
hay gusy leme heroic throw, breaks cc
lusty grotto
not joking, i yelled for 40 mins straight at my team once
then we found out globules on my gear broke the cc
daring marlin
good job idiot
lusty grotto
im sowwy
daring marlin
dipchip!!!!!!!!
daring marlin
he went full manki
outer dew
My baby is fat AF now
lusty grotto
thicc tho
lusty grotto
🤔
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
they went back to Legion trinket bs
lusty grotto
fucking stupid
syringe is the fringe case 😦
and disc of course
then they put :literalgarbage: 2.0 back
lusty grotto
good fucking lord
i hope we get a new emoji for it
please make it :literalgarbage: again
at least prism is decent
sand egret
watch it have some unintended interaction and be op as fuck
lusty grotto
lol thats what i was thinking jus tnow
sand egret
i mean, if technically you take 1 damage in overkill, you'd get a 60k heal and have 1 unit of healing absorb on ya lol
daring marlin
Wish they had a skip to mythrax
I'd go back and kill him every week for a chance at TF LOL
over that thing
shrug
lusty grotto
gross
lusty grotto
no U
daring marlin
gasp
lusty grotto
im sorry i went too far
lusty grotto
😦
lusty grotto
what key do you have 😃
lusty grotto
im game
lusty grotto
im game 😃
lusty grotto
addme up blade lets do it
sand egret
didsies
lusty grotto
i gotta afk for like 5 mins
sand egret
this guy
daring marlin
blade tanks mythics like I do
I like it
I wish more tanks I played with on my DPS were as aggressive
sand egret
well forgetting to bind Fireblood back doesn't help
daring marlin
Let's forget about that
lusty grotto
i had to drop the browns at the superbowl
this gonna be good
inb4 the rag dk doesnt know he needs to grab a mob
yikes hes not gonna, hes unholy
sand egret
i may need to dreamwalk to reset mah talents
reef creek
what are good dungeons to run as prot
reef creek
prefect ill do that
warm plinth
Royal Dagger Haft wasn't literalgarbage damnit. It was always haft. literalgarbage was Recompiled Guardian Module
lusty grotto
trinket, shield, 1 hander, and some off pieces are very good there
warm plinth
Haft actually had some use, albeit very very niche use
lusty grotto
good god no
warm plinth
I'm not saying people were like yay haft. I just don't want people forgetting that RGM was the real :literalgarbage:
warm plinth
Yeah it kinda does
lusty grotto
spits
warm plinth
At least you can be regular Dwarf
warm plinth
I just made an alt of every class to level on the horde side
This is how I have fun in BfA
sand egret
YIKES
lusty grotto
yeah this was bad lol
sand egret
just dropping them
sick sentinel
Technically with the new , you an attack can bring you to "-10 health" and it will heal you to 60k with a 6 damage absorb... is it really that bad for prog?
I mean I'm gonna be rocking DPS trinkets 24/7
Probably the engine that ramps up and the 415 alch stone
lusty grotto
well that went a lot better later on
sand egret
the squad just had to get their sea legs
lusty grotto
lol its fine
wooden radish
hello friends, what is average shield block uptime after the 8.1 changes
daring marlin
I'll never understand why people don't just lust off the pull on vectis in pugs
makes no sense to me
warm plinth
@wooden radish Effective shield block uptime should be 100%. This is the uptime while actively tanking enemies. This has not changed since pre-8.1, though it is a bit more forgiving with the reduced base cooldown on Shield Block in 8.1. Overall uptime is not an important number, and 100% overall uptime is not possible.
violet zodiac
Hi
wooden radish
Ok so threat vs uptime should be 1:1? Also what about a single tank scenario with no swap like Mother?
violet zodiac
Bitchis
outer dew
Mother doesnt need 100% uptime
She has long breaks
Even single tanking taloc you dont need swaps
sick sentinel
@wooden radish supposing you are taking the shield block talent as you should, you can 3xSB, Last stand, 3xSB again, then SW, then 2xSB
outer dew
Yea but for those bosses
sick sentinel
But even a single 2sec cast or downtime of sorts will net you a lot more SB charges back
outer dew
Theres gaps where you have a break
sick sentinel
You just have to know when the boss is casting so you don't waste uptime
You can basically have 100% effective block up on mother and taloc without using SW
lusty grotto
☝
sick sentinel
As I personally use SW to both recover charges and reduce damage when the whole group passes through the wall
This is also the reason we avoid double dipping on block
Because if we can afford even a 1 sec gap between our SBs (for casts etc) we save a lot of downtime and have to press CDs out of pure necessity a lot less
sick sentinel
Did I say sb talent?
lusty grotto
sneaky
sick sentinel
I didn't mention hr lol
lusty grotto
ITS LATE I MUST BE SEEING THINGS
sand egret
I'm just doubling up on the "don't just mong SB" advice. Knowing exactly when you're getting hit nets you quite a lot in the long run
so not using it for a second when the boss is walking, casting, pausing after casting, etc. is quite impactful
sick sentinel
Speaking of double dipping, I fucked up once in a yasma +15 ( way less painful than a yasma +16 btw) and got hit by a tank buster with nothing up and no external
Didnt win the parry/block lotto
Basically smacked me for most of my health
sick sentinel
LOL
Thing is, I was thinking I was fine, but I wasn't, I had 29 rage
I was 1 rage away from shield blocking
I keep overspending on IP if I get carried away, or focus on mechanics (kiting between spiders in that case )and not on tanking
sand egret
yeah, it's all about that cognitive balance
meanwhile i'm watching darkee do his MDT stuff looking for where they missed % WHILE tanking the last boss in a TD +19
on his brm
sick sentinel
Last boss of td is basically afk
quiet crane
Yeah I sometimes forget yazma can lay didn’t the smack down if you don’t mitigate skewer
sick sentinel
A bit less so now, but still
quiet crane
^^ he’s cannon fire don’t stack anymore to right
sick sentinel
Your healer mainly works in that fight, keeping up your group
While they just hit the guy, having to occasionally move
quiet crane
I like brew in TD on that first fight
sick sentinel
Like 1 step
quiet crane
I cheese is using statue for necro
quiet crane
Yeah TD is the only one that scared me for a bit there
Since people ignored roaches unless they were passive cleaving
Just ramped the freaking stacks
sick sentinel
They don't give stacks anymore
quiet crane
That’s awesome
sand egret
they give diff stacks
sick sentinel
That you basically ignore
quiet crane
Used to be necro but havnt done it since the change
sand egret
they dont auto attack
quiet crane
There’s that to but it’s negotiable
sand egret
so no necro, but they apply that dot more often
sick sentinel
They used to give both bleeds and auto attack
quiet crane
Neglible their little debuff
sick sentinel
Now they just bleed
quiet crane
Well that makes it easy mode then
I’ll be able to have a chance to play again next week get back into things
sick sentinel
The hard boss of tol dagor is the second one now
quiet crane
Lol wut howler?
sick sentinel
Yes
quiet crane
Was he buffed or something
sick sentinel
He runs away at 70% health and he takes 90% less damage while casting
primal crypt
damnit
sick sentinel
So you HAVE to interrupt him
sick sentinel
And you have to assign the guy that fears you when jes is casting daggers
primal crypt
What you guys think, should I make this swap?
sand egret
?
sick sentinel
Screenshot takes a while to send it seems
primal crypt
oh, changing second trait to heed my call
old piece
I think the 390 DC and BoM will edge out?
sand egret
i like your top one personally
primal crypt
yeah
sick sentinel
Bom is life man
primal crypt
I do like the top set up a lot
sick sentinel
I get 50% crit block in avatar
primal crypt
shit is nice
sick sentinel
Gamble a 385 chest
sick sentinel
The price for a 400 will be 495 and for 415 it will be 1485 . Will 165 really make a difference?
primal crypt
probably
since I'll get an absolute garbo 385 chest
my luck is not good
especially not a 385 bom good
sick sentinel
If you have a 385 dc
Any 390 chest would be good
IF/BS would not be ideal but it would be better
primal crypt
ughhhhh
I'm at the vendor
right now
because of you
what could I actually end up getting
off the random
quiet crane
Gambling’s bad naughty
rough egret
Merry christmas shiledmaidens :) <3
quiet crane
Merry Christmas to you to
main vault
Some people won’t even see the first three mythic
rough egret
No rush