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hushed cobalt
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To the discords!

uneven mason
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a lot of the pushers have checked out

nova gale
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Thoughts on the new Alchemy trinket?

uneven mason
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but try Mythicplus friends

nova gale
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Worth getting?

uneven mason
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My thoughts are I'm working on Alchemy

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cause that trinket is baller

nova gale
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Sweet

uneven mason
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and our new raid treinkets are balls

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like 1 worth looking at

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rest are expulsom

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or 56gold

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but yeah raw vers with a str proc

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its pretty solid

nova gale
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I'm getting there gear wise now. Total played on this level 19 hrs. 376 equipped!

uneven mason
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since vers double dips on DR

nova gale
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Let's go!

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How do you guys do early pulls?

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I struggle a bit dmg wise in m+ when I try to pull big

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As in dmg intake

uneven mason
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be liberal with CDs

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make sure your healer is prepared

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make sure your DPS know how to sequence their stuns

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and CDs

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know when you're got a kite pull

nova gale
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I mean mostly when I gather shit up

steel lotus
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The best part of prot other than the mega blast is always having CDs for shit

nova gale
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Once I get going I am fine

uneven mason
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right

nova gale
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Gathering stuff up is annoying and scary

steel lotus
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Are the dps being apes

uneven mason
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if the DPS are being flipperhanded nubtards

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not much you can do

steel lotus
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That’s usually what makes gathering mobs annoying

uneven mason
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unless you've got a hunter/rogue

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gathering is easy as long as no one is doing shit until you've got the pull under control

steel lotus
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Misdirect op

uneven mason
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if the DPS can't restrain themselves

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thats on them

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like I tell my DPS

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if you yank off of me before I stop moving

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you're going to die

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and I don't give a fuck

steel lotus
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Gotta be firm with the dps

uneven mason
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because if I stop my pull to save them

steel lotus
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Need their hands held

uneven mason
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we wipe

nova gale
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Ok, I'll rephrase again

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I have having trouble staying alive early in pulls cos I find myself rage starved when gathering mobs up. I tend to save my demo shout for when they are gathered but maybe I should just pop it early?

uneven mason
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Intercept > Avatar+Intercept the pack > TC + SB > DS + IP > HNNNNNNNNNNTCTCTCTCTCTC 🖕 > SB when needed > IP when extra rage > TCTCTCTC

sand egret
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a couple of things in particular that can happen on a pull are:
a) healer aggro if you didn't tag certain mobs well enough
b) getting hit in the backside while garthing
c) Not having SB up due to trying to gather

uneven mason
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that first intercept is on your healer

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or a mlee DPS

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or something

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that extra rage on pull now that its off GCD

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professional warrior

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if its a bigasspull

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you can shield wall as you "hit melee" (when the pack reaches you mostly)

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but a lot of it is your healer being prepared for any spikes

nova gale
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I guess ye

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Well, time for 16 siege now

uneven mason
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abuse that spotter

sand egret
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if you're playing with a druid....remember if you don't have a bunch of hots rolling on you..

nova gale
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Ty for input bois

sand egret
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i learned that one the hard way

uneven mason
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if you're playing with a druid who is specced into the tranquity talent

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run

sand egret
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they don't respond too well

uneven mason
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git that ironskin extra HOTTING

steel lotus
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What kind of Druid doesn’t keep hots going on tanks that’s a yikes

sand egret
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ones that don't try and keep up

uneven mason
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Druids can do some amazing tank healing

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but

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yeah lazy druids are a thing

sand egret
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yep

steel lotus
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I used to main resto it was so ez

uneven mason
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but that talent for the 20% DR, +20% More healing + flourish

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holyballs

steel lotus
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So ez to catch up to tank too when you need to drop for mana

uneven mason
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that is like better than Lifemarble

sand egret
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ehhhh

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shield synergy >

uneven mason
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yeah

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tootrue

sand egret
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it's like the one massive shield in the game we can actually abuse in that format

uneven mason
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DID Prot + MW

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long live the cheese

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I should do that last pull in siege

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like that...

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try and get some serious DPS

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cause all those poison stacks

sand egret
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those invaders

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lil buggers

merry bane
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YES I FINALLY got a 365 Rezans eye

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cleared a +9 atal and +2 the key

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time for Syringe/Rezan combo

uneven mason
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👍

zinc mauve
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if you're always with the same group, make two macros, one for a melee dps intercept, another for the healer

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melee dps is for generating rage, intercepting healer is for tanking certain mechanics (grape shot from eudora) or for getting into a safespot

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if your healer isnt in a safespot they suck anyway so its their fault if you die then, Kappa

oblique garnet
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122 harlan sweete kills and still no mount feelsbadman

ember arrow
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be like me

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get in on 2nd or 3rd try

oblique garnet
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Yeah proves that being casual pays off

ember arrow
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yea

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although

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does not being subbed count as playing wow casually?

oblique garnet
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Yes

cinder nova
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You can check out any time you like

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But you can never leave

ember arrow
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what?

oblique garnet
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Once you have deleted the game and stopped interacting with people and watching streams about wow you can finally be free

cinder nova
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Levko come on

oblique garnet
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Hotel california nice one

cinder nova
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The Eagles

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Come on man

ember arrow
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i dont listen to that shit

oblique garnet
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that shit

ember arrow
cinder nova
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i DoNt LiStEn To ThAt ShIt

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I heard a middle schooler call Immigrant Song the Thor Song

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I was admittedly a little tilted

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But I was happy enough that she enjoyed the music so I calmed my autismo

lusty grotto
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Muy bueno

ember arrow
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yes yes, you knew songs before they got into popular media

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you are special

oblique garnet
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What

lusty grotto
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Pla don't troll

cinder nova
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??? I wasn't even alive when Immigrant Song was released I don't think

oblique garnet
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Man levko i have to say that you truly are master of triggering people

lusty grotto
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Those songs WERE in the popular media

cinder nova
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Yeah dude I was like -20 years old lol

lusty grotto
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We're not talking my punk domain here :(

cinder nova
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Nim I gotta hook you up with my coworker he's huge into punk, does amataeur gigs with his punk band

ember arrow
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thanks

Man levko i have to say that you truly are master of triggering people

lusty grotto
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Link band camp pls

cinder nova
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Lemme dog him for the name

lusty grotto
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Cool beans

cinder nova
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I grew up on my dad's turntables and reel to reels, though

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We couldn't afford ipods or walkmen

ember arrow
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thats sexist, it should be walkwomen

keen spire
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That's misogynistic - how dare you insinuate that women need to be walked

lusty grotto
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guys can we stop assuming genders here

ember arrow
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@keen spire what about ppl in wheelchairs

lusty grotto
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we are all Protx Warriorx

ember arrow
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it should not be WALKmen

lusty grotto
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WheelchairX

ember arrow
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what about ppl not in wheelchairs

keen spire
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you're right levko

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How dare you able-ist fucks name something so able-ist

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smh

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Summons the SJW brigade

cinder nova
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I'm a straight white cisgendered male. I don't assume genders, I assign them.

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#privilige

keen spire
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I hope that Blizzard makes a fourth spec for warriors

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"Social Justice" spec

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instead of rage being generated when we get hit with auto attacks

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Our rage generation is directly correlated to the number of slutmogs in our raid party

oblique garnet
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I will unsubscribe faster than prepubescent boy takes his pants off when hes home alone if that happens

keen spire
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Prepubescent?

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I do that shit NOW

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lol

sand egret
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uh yeah

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that's like the first thing you do post-30s and into the rest of your life

keen spire
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Long day at work, walk in the front door, where'd the pants go? who knows?

sand egret
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fuck that's all I can think about NOW as my ass is still at work

keen spire
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lol

sand egret
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these keeeds

old zephyr
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did I miss Yam second round of testing?

sand egret
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not yet

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don't think Yams posted his 2nd go

warm plinth
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@sand egret What did you get from the cache?

primal crypt
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I r here

oblique garnet
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@primal crypt test it on freehold its best place for constant combat

primal crypt
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just got home

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so sorryt

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sorry*

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logging in and about to test now

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you said FH?

old zephyr
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no worries

primal crypt
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I'll do both FH and WM

sand egret
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some bullshit bracers

daring marlin
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testing wat

cinder nova
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@lusty grotto The Kreaps

oblique garnet
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Alchemy trinket proc rate

sand egret
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as little down time as possible

warm plinth
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RIP

daring marlin
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I have it. It’s similar to every other alchemist trinket.

sand egret
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well his log from this morning was indicating a .5 ppm

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so we're trying to get a 2nd round with a bit more reliable setting

oblique garnet
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Guilford if the proc rate is once in 2 minutes its not worth it over 1min cd trinkets

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Which we are trying to figure out

final bolt
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Guys, can you explain one moment to me, please

If your block chance is higher then 100%, what does it mean?

For example 136%

100% - for usual block and 36% for critical block or what?

And 236%?

cinder nova
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No.

hot locust
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overflow block doesnt do anything.

warm plinth
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Yeah, 100% block just means 100% block. Only mastery affects crit block chance

cinder nova
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Having lots of block and no overflow block means you're more likely to block than parry or dodge, but that's not really gonna happen

hot locust
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that is also not how that works @cinder nova

final bolt
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ehhh

cinder nova
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That was the reason paladins didn't stack block in Cata when going for CTC

daring marlin
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It’s most definitely 1 PPM @oblique garnet

hot locust
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block is on a seperate hit roll than dodge/parry

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Thats why ctc capping isnt a thing anymore

oblique garnet
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@daring marlin idk on yamos run it only was 0.5ppm

cinder nova
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Didn't it roll miss > Block > dodge > parry?

oblique garnet
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Which is why we are trying to establish more reliable sample pool

hot locust
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Basically it works like this now (it changed in MoP)

daring marlin
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^

hot locust
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roll for hit check for dodge/parry/miss

daring marlin
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They definitely went for block for ctc cap otherwise you wouldn’t be able to in cata

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dafuq was that statement

hot locust
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if hit check for critical hit

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check for block

cinder nova
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They really didn't. You wanted more parry/dodge than block.

daring marlin
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You

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Could not

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Get ctc cap

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Without getting block

cinder nova
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You wanted to have as little mastery as necessarily possible to maintain CTC

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You took more damage having higher mastery than necessary

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@hot locust And tanks can't be crit, so does it just skip that step?

hot locust
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well we arent crit immune

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we just have a reduced chance to be crit

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in pvp you can still get crit

final bolt
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So, there is 4 rolls? And if hit will go streakly to the block sector, there would be an additional roll for crit block?

warm plinth
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Or the mogu mobs on some of the azerite mining quests have a rune that makes them 100% crit. They can still crit us.

hot locust
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correct.

chilly brook
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Yea here’s how it works for crit block

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Check for block

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Roll for crit block

sick sentinel
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I just timed a +15 kings rest for the sole reason I am an engineer and I could CR

warm plinth
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Sweet!

sick sentinel
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because our boomkin died

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and I cred him

warm plinth
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Way to come in clutch!

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You should have recorded that shit lol.

final bolt
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Ok, so, if we have talanted "last stand", there is no reason for us to use our shield block, am I right? While it's active*

chilly brook
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Yes

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But only during LS duration

warm plinth
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Okay, yes.

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XD

cinder nova
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I mean

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You could use it to improve bash damage

chilly brook
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Oof

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Just don’t

cinder nova
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But that's kinda wasteful unless the content is super trivial

final bolt
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So, last stand now is not just a "last chance" ability, it should be used due this windows of heavy damage while your shield block is on CD, yes?

sand egret
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it lasts 15 seconds, which is a huge means to "refresh" your block charges

chilly brook
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Nah

oblique garnet
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Use it after you run out of shield block charges

chilly brook
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It should be used almost on CD to fill Shield Block gaps

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You want to have block rolling as often as possible when actively tanking

sand egret
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there's an underlying reasoning to this that may not be super apparent, and that is more frequent usage means its up more often

primal crypt
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omw

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to WM

sand egret
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which feeds into our AM loop

primal crypt
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found a 12

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wish me luck boys

final bolt
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Ohhh, I get it. I'm just trying to figure it out, prot warrior concept changes since Legion, thanks a lot, guys!

primal crypt
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give me the good procs

chilly brook
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Yea we’re not in legion anymore lol

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SB>IP

sand egret
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another way to look at it is that SB is king and you want to structure your gameplay around ensuring that you're blocking as much as you can when getting hit

final bolt
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Lol, really?

sand egret
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yes very much so

chilly brook
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Yes SB is way more important than IP

sand egret
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unless you're taking a magic hit, SB > Ip

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general pull cadence typically is Use SB charges > LS to refresh

sand egret
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there's going to be moments where you may want to slide in a Shield Wall to cover potential gaps

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but Anger Management is a use it to use it more ability.

final bolt
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Interesting

Btw, let me guess, there would be some haste race on 120? For less SB cd?

sand egret
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cds get super reduced by it

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haste is strong for that reason, yes

oblique garnet
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@primal crypt you streaming?

chilly brook
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Haste is your most important secondary

sand egret
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as well as other knock-on effects

primal crypt
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maybe.

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dont come

chilly brook
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HOWEVER all your stats are close enough together that you prioritize ilvl>stats

primal crypt
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I'm nervous

warm plinth
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@primal crypt Facecam or riot

sand egret
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^

final bolt
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Hm, get it. Haste and mastery? Or warriors wants more parry/damage reduce?

sand egret
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i wouldn't get hung up on it

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ilvl is huge

chilly brook
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Don’t really get too hung up on stat priority

sand egret
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there close enough that we can go with ilvl as a general rule

chilly brook
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But in general if you have two items of same ilvl haste>vers>mastery>crit

sand egret
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I personally like to maintain my haste ~1k ish as it is more of a muscle memory on my SB cd

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but that is very much a personal choice

warm plinth
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Yeah I like having haste at a certain point just for comfort, but I'll still sigh heavily and equip a higher ilevel piece.

sand egret
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yeah that's generally where I tune my enchants

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if i get stuck with a hasteless upgrade and don't wanna take too big a hit

oblique garnet
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@primal crypt ill be watching the entire run no pressure 8)

primal crypt
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I'm not here

final bolt
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And what about rage dump? I mean, I get my LS active, I'm at 50+ rage, should I go for IP or damage? Or it's situational?

sand egret
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dump into IP/revenge in that case

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don't overcap IP (it goes up to 1.3x)

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even if you DO overcap, you're still getting the cdr from AM

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so its not a total fail

chilly brook
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Yea we can’t really “stack” IP anymore

final bolt
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What does it mean? 1.3х

sand egret
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it means IP stacks up to 1.3x its listed value

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10k ip maxes at 13k, etc.

chilly brook
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If you cast IP and for arguments sake get 100 absorb

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You only get 130

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If you cast again

keen spire
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So basically

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First cast is 100% effective

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2nd cast is 30% effective

sand egret
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(assuming you take no damage)

keen spire
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If no damage is taken

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Ye

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That’s usually not the case, so it’s probably like 50-70% as effective

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But still

sand egret
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although in a big M+ pull, chances are you'll probably take enough damage

keen spire
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I mean, one raidboss hit will wipe that shit clean

final bolt
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Hm, ok.

I didn't remember how IP works in Legion tho, I think there was much higher cap, like 3.х

sand egret
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it was

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it was 2x

old zephyr
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3*

sand egret
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ah

keen spire
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I thought it was like 2.7 or something

old zephyr
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and could go 3.6 with procs

chilly brook
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It was 3

sand egret
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i defer to others on this, but it was a lot higher

chilly brook
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But was affected by procs

final bolt
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Ahhh, and rage cost was 20-60

sand egret
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it also absorbed 90% in a hit

chilly brook
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Good old scale proc

keen spire
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Ah right the 3.6 with the procs

sand egret
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meaning the shield depreciated faster

keen spire
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That’s what I was thinking of

final bolt
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I'm sad now(

sand egret
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so it was a diff system

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that was relative to the Legion environment. it's essentially the same in bfa

chilly brook
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Don’t be

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Imo current IP is a better system

final bolt
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Dunno, I really like this "absorb pillow"

sand egret
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it's still really solid

keen spire
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🤔

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Do you really think so?

sand egret
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fundamental difference is that it went from a supplimentary AM, to a complimentary

keen spire
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I've always felt like IP was kinda.. lackluster

sand egret
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and if you came from Legion, it will be

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it's not a mitigating tool as much as its a smoothing tool, imho

keen spire
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Like, you toss up IP and the shield is gone before the GCD is up to cast a new one (8.0)

sand egret
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without SB up, yeah

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but that's not exactly how its supposed to be used

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IP amplifies mitigation tools

warm plinth
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Alright, so I need some clarification on BFI, because my experience isn't quite lining up with what the guide says.

sand egret
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it doesn't replace them

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that's the core diff between BFA and Legion, imho

warm plinth
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Or maybe it's just missing a sentence lol.

keen spire
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I honestly miss the Battle Cry IP spam

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so fun

sand egret
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what's your issue with it World?

jovial verge
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^ and doing 1.2 mil dps

keen spire
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yes

jovial verge
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legion prot was amzing

warm plinth
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So on the guide it says BFI can stack multiple times and each stack has its own duration. But it says it can stack multiple times (and I guess 2 is technically multiple), but it won't stack higher than 2 times

keen spire
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lol

sand egret
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it definitely stacks higher than 2

jovial verge
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it will

warm plinth
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If I get another stack while it's still ticking, it just refreshes back to 9 seconds

jovial verge
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thats weird, and shouldnn't happen

sand egret
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it works like ironfur

keen spire
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nah man it's the overlap

jovial verge
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Ohhh yeah your overal duration will increase, but each stack has its own timer

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like ironfur, right

keen spire
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Your profile pic

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makes me all kinds of happy

warm plinth
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It just seems weird that every single time I get a 2nd stack, one drops off. Like it never goes above 2 even for a split second

jovial verge
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sand egret
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i can show you a SS with 4 if you like

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but that's if you get lucky with SS resets

keen spire
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you're just getting unlucky on the SS resets

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yeah

sand egret
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since that's how you stack it high

warm plinth
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Oh okay

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I believe you guys. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy or something.

sand egret
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so how it works is:

keen spire
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No you're definitely crazy

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but we're also right

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😃

warm plinth
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crazier*

keen spire
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loloololol

sand egret
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First SS starts the buff > Every subsequent SS within 9 seconds adds stacks

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after 9 seconds it all goes away

keen spire
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Yo wtf

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my boss just dropped $150 in the mug on my desk and winked at me

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and said merry christmas and walked away

sand egret
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grats

keen spire
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the fuck

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#ThatJustHappened

warm plinth
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That's not what I'm experiencing either. Like I literally just watched a stack of 2 drop to 1 with 5 seconds left

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Which is more how ironfur would work

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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you 😅

sand egret
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naw, i was wrong in how i explained it

keen spire
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Yeah, that's what it's supposed to do

sand egret
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you are correct

warm plinth
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Okay, I'm just gonna pretend its Ironfur from now on, since that's a pretty easy way to think of it lol

sand egret
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that's pretty safe to think

daring marlin
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bfi yuck

keen spire
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bfa*

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Ftfy

jovial verge
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lol

daring marlin
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feelsbfaman

keen spire
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😃

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Nah, I actually think 8.1 is a big step in the right direction (which is the direction going towards where we were, which was pretty fuckin solid already)

sand egret
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^

keen spire
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I have a feeling 8.2 will be even better

daring marlin
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8.2 asserite changes should just be here now

sand egret
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i'm looking forward to 8.2 actually

jovial verge
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Yea. All that would be nice is some forced mob control. Not necessarily a grip but some way to get shit out of sanguine

daring marlin
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Regrinding traits we already have is antifun

keen spire
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Dude

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what if

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instead of the stupid talent for shockwave

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they just made that shit baseline

sand egret
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eh it's not really "regrinding" at the moment

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seeing as the expected is 33

keen spire
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and instead, replaced it with a talent that made shockwave push enemies back

sand egret
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and most people are already there

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the "don't need neck level" sentiment was that they wont require higher than 33

keen spire
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Cut the stun in half, add a 30% slow and a 15 yd pushback

sand egret
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it's not like they're removing it.

jovial verge
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That could be ok,

sand egret
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it just gets easier to get to that 33 over time

hot locust
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Most higher mythic guilds are aiming for 38+ for first week of mythic raid. @sand egret

sand egret
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since that grind is getting shorter by 30% each week

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is that for traits, or for the 2ndary stats tho

hot locust
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^ we also aren't getting AK until raid opens.

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that's for traits.

sand egret
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38 unlcoks?

keen spire
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28 is the max level needed for Mythic Shoulders

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for the first ring

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so

daring marlin
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And you’re probably aiming for 38 cuz of third rings

hot locust
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38 gets you all 3 azerite pieces 3rd ring in.

daring marlin
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that’s ludrcrous right now

sand egret
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ok so that's going to be the mark

hot locust
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so gutripper/OP/etc.

daring marlin
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ludicrous*

sand egret
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but yeah that will get shorter over the course of 8.1

hot locust
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After raid opens yeah

#

it's not getting any shorter until then

sand egret
#

but ya don't need it until then

#

minus proggers

daring marlin
#

The point is we’ll have gear that will have locked traits that will only be eased after the raid drops.

sand egret
#

but they're gonna grind for anything and everything anyway so that's more of an outlier

daring marlin
#

The vast majority of players will probably puck up new asserite and won’t be able to use the third ring at first.

#

Garbage progression*

sand egret
#

the major traits will be usable

jovial verge
#

At least this is the last tier that will happen for

#

But far outer ring is only like 15 neck level, 2nd ring is like 23 or some shit. its not tha tawful

#

I don't like it, but its not "the sky is falling" kinda bad

sand egret
#

yeah, i mean @hot locust what's your neck right now for reference?

#

35+?

hot locust
#

32 I don't give 2 shits about AP

#

lmao

keen spire
#

mine's 29

jovial verge
#

Lol.

keen spire
#

😎

jovial verge
#

thats the spirit

keen spire
#

hehe

sand egret
#

haha ok mine is 31 so i'm right there with ya

oblique garnet
#

Im at 36 60%

keen spire
#

o.O

#

jesus, Late

daring marlin
#

My Warrior’s is 34. I do islands and emissaries.

oblique garnet
#

I dont even do every ap wq

sand egret
#

so getting those extra 2 levels from now until the raid doesn't seem too far off

daring marlin
#

My Warlock’s is 33

oblique garnet
#

Or spam islands

sand egret
#

it does stink for alt juggling

#

not gonna lie about that, but that's what the AK system is for

warm plinth
#

My "main" (and I use that term very loosely) is at 31 and I have barely played it.

keen spire
#

"We're gonna make BfA more alt friendly!"

#

forces you to grind AP again

sand egret
#

account wide CoA rep was pretty big

jovial verge
#

^ yea

oblique garnet
#

^

keen spire
#

Did that go into effect?

sand egret
#

let's not completely ignore that

#

yes in 8.1

warm plinth
#

Yeah

keen spire
#

so

#

uh

sand egret
#

go visit magni haha

keen spire
#

is it 120?

#

120 only?

sand egret
#

yeah

keen spire
#

okay

daring marlin
#

It’ll never cease to amaze me when people can actually defend this system by saying it’s not that bad. If it wasn’t that bad why do they intend to change it in 8.2?

sand egret
#

i think that's when you get the quest....

oblique garnet
#

I dont mind the system

sand egret
#

Guilford I really don't think you get how this works

#

they aren't changing it

warm plinth
#

I have 1 day 6 hours /played at 120 on my DH and he has a level 31 necklace.

oblique garnet
#

Yeah catchup is a thing

sand egret
#

this system works in multiple phases to represent the meta story of the expansion

warm plinth
#

The AK catchup is definitely reasonable

sand egret
#

it's just going into a new phase in 8.2

#

aka the Neck itself gains mechanics

daring marlin
#

He said he knows unlocking the same traits feels bad and that it won’t be a problem again in 8.2.

keen spire
#

Yeah

sand egret
#

literally no different than trying to get traits in legion > concordance> new traits

daring marlin
#

????????

#

And pushing it back to 8.2 helps them because why?

sand egret
#

they haven't built it

#

lol

#

like really?

hot locust
#

@sand egret it is definitely a change to the system because player feedback was so negative.

#

That's WHY it's not until 8.2

jovial verge
#

I never said I liked it, its just not as awful as everyone makes it seem. Regrinding base traits would be awful, but regrinding utility traits and +5 ilvl, is just meh

keen spire
#

Which is a good thing

sand egret
#

o

hot locust
#

because it wasn't a thing they were even thinking of before.

keen spire
#

Means they're at least somewhat listening

daring marlin
#

You clearly don’t get it either, Lala.

sand egret
#

eh

warm plinth
#

Well, why don't you explain your view on the matter?

sand egret
#

i'm not 100% on that they weren't thinkiing of it

hot locust
#

Anything that keeps players on the treadmill @daring marlin 😉

sand egret
#

i definitely think they are "rethinking it"

jovial verge
#

Don't make me run Lala. I'm full of chocolate.

keen spire
#

But do you think they thought about rethinking it before it was thought about?

#

🤔

jovial verge
#

likely not

sand egret
#

i mean if it was in pre-pro, sure

daring marlin
#

They could have made the traits unlock sooner in dazar alor.

#

415 could have all three early traits unlocked at 33.

#

But they decided not to do that.

#

M+ could also give more AP

#

Give people a reason to do lower difficulties

warm plinth
#

Wouldn't higher intro ilevel and more traits mean they'd have to retune the raid though?

sand egret
#

naw shhh

#

dont think about that stuff

astral crystal
#

im pretty aghast at the fact that m+ gives such insignificant amount of AP

sand egret
#

remember dev is just hitting switches

astral crystal
#

compared to islands

warm plinth
#

They don't exactly have a great track record of adjusting scaling on short notice (or even long notice)

daring marlin
#

@sand egret I didn’t say that. Nice try, though.

sand egret
#

you're suggesting it

daring marlin
#

No?

warm plinth
#

So if you wanted to rush the new traits and higher ilevel azerite, then you push the raid back (or have it launch with a lot of issues)

sand egret
#

"They could have made the traits unlock sooner in dazar alor."

#

that's the knock-on efffect

#

so you have to ask yourself, where do you add the dev time?

daring marlin
#

They could have easily A.) kept the AK rolling or B.) make the requirement for the traits less. Explain to me how unlocking traits we already have again feels good or is good for progression?

sand egret
#

to nail 8.2

daring marlin
#

I’d rather have tier sets back.

keen spire
#

But

daring marlin
#

I have a piece drop and I can use it.

keen spire
#

We aren't unlocking traits we already have

sand egret
#

or to split between rebalancing and tuning the power curve of 8.1 in addition to 8.2

keen spire
#

The pieces that drop will be new pieces

daring marlin
#

All this expansion has been is

keen spire
#

from a new tier

daring marlin
#

It’ll get better in 8.1

#

can’t wait for 8.2!!!

sand egret
#

perty sure they explained that it's not exactly a trivial fix to make traits "cheaper"

keen spire
#

It's not like it's on the same piece of gear and you're suddenly required to re-unlock it

sand egret
#

as its a much larger systemic change to loot pools

#

hence why the new rings aren't retro-active

keen spire
#

I mean, even if you had the same piece of gear that dropped with the same traits, but it was ilvl 415, it would be a power upgrade without any traits unlocked

#

so it's like

daring marlin
#

The 415 gear in early beta had lower trait requirements

#

What koolaid are you drinking?

sand egret
#

in early beta

daring marlin
#

of ptr

#

For 8.1

#

yep

sand egret
#

beta

daring marlin
#

The 415 gear

keen spire
#

I mean testing is there for a reason

daring marlin
#

wair for it

#

WAIT

sand egret
#

testing.

keen spire
#

o.o

daring marlin
#

WENT UP IN NECK LEVEL

#

!?!?!?

keen spire
#

I don't see what the fuss is about tbh

#

The first ring unlocks at 26

#

and then 28 for the highest piece of gear possible

#

and the first ring is the most important anyway

#

so it's like

warm plinth
#

What exactly is the purpose of this conversation? It seems like you just want to be mad and have people listen to you.

keen spire
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

sand egret
#

yeah, i really don't see the fuss

keen spire
#

idk if he's madd

sand egret
#

tbh

keen spire
#

mad*

#

Are you mad, Guil?

#

Genuine question

daring marlin
#

I’m not mad at all. The white knighting for blizz is old.

#

rofl

keen spire
#

I'm not mad, I'm just contributing to the discussion because I'm bored at work o.o

sand egret
#

like, there are obviously legitimate reasons why they aren't just doing "all the things" now.

#

the memeing blizz is also old

#

so its two side of the same coin

daring marlin
#

I’m bored at work too. Shocker.

sand egret
#

solution: blizz needs to make work more interesting

keen spire
#

I mean, I wouldn't call it "white knighting for blizz" to have a personal opinion about how the system feels to me

warm plinth
#

I'm not trying to be rude. But I asked a few questions about your comments and got no answer. You just continued to go off about it. I don't know what you want us to do for you. Blizzard will change it at their own pace. This is entirely unproductive arguing for the sake of arguing.

daring marlin
#

Alternatively they can make their game more rewarding and make their systems less shitty.

#

We’re rehashing problems Legion had.

#

lul

warm plinth
#

That seems like what they're trying to do. Getting pissy at people in Skyhold isn't going to make that happen any faster though.

#

From what they've said, not necessarily from what they have coming so far in 8.2

keen spire
#

You could also be a little more tactful in your approach and less inflammatory.. you're coming off the wrong way and I think it's making tensions rise a bit haha

daring marlin
#

I was focusing my comments toward Bladesong, not you.

warm plinth
#

Reading the comments they made on the system in the Q&A, it sounds like they understand where our disappointment comes from.

sand egret
#

tbf, my tensions are fine 😃

warm plinth
#

You're not the only person who hates the azerite system.

#

As Lala said, there has been tons of negative player feedback on it.

primal crypt
keen spire
#

fair enough, it's hard to sense things through text

sand egret
#

and it's super clear that they're moving towards fixing it

#

if they could do it all in a snap of their fingers, i'm sure they would

primal crypt
#

that one is WM @sand egret

daring marlin
#

waiting for 8.1 turned into waiting for 8.2 real fast

#

And I’m liking 8.1

sand egret
#

but there's probably a bundle of reasons why they can't most of which we can't be privy to

#

welcome to wow

oblique garnet
#

Yeah so its 1ppm the alchemy trinket

#

Not bad

sand egret
#

where you're always waiting for the next patch

warm plinth
#

Yeah, well 8.1 is pretty good but the game doesn't turn from meh to perfect in one patch.

#

And I've been playing this game for 14 years and there's never nothing to complain about.

keen spire
#

IIRC, Legion was pretty meh in the beginning too

sand egret
#

ooo @primal crypt yeah that looks a lot more reasonable

keen spire
#

but it got really awesome in later patches

primal crypt
#

chain pulled a lot @sand egret

#

just kept going and going

oblique garnet
#

Bloodlust usage

sand egret
#

as ya should 😃

oblique garnet
#

Triggerwd me

#

So bad

primal crypt
#

ahahahahaha

sand egret
#

damn man, making me wanna go home and blast some keys

oblique garnet
#

Cheaping out and didnt want to use drums or?

primal crypt
#

nah

#

half assed

#

paying attention

sand egret
#

when all is said and done, 8.1 definitely got me playing my war more

primal crypt
#

I was the lust lmao

daring marlin
#

Weird. I said it was 1 PPM too. 🤔

oblique garnet
#

It as a +2 with the lusta

primal crypt
#

but I was sitting there talking to my friend the whole time 😦

oblique garnet
#

Yeah guilford you did say it

#

But there was data contradicting it

warm plinth
#

I'm leveling mine right now. I still can't get past DS being on GCD though. Feels so wrong.

oblique garnet
#

So we needed to test again

sand egret
#

yup

daring marlin
#

They just copypasted the proc from other trinkets

sand egret
#

data is what i try to rely on

daring marlin
#

lol

sand egret
#

not that I don't trust ya

#

but I think you can at least agree....not everything gets implemented correctly 😃

daring marlin
#

get outta town

sand egret
#

not yet, my train isn't until sunday

primal crypt
#

lmao

#

decent trinket

#

plus potion proc

#

feels good

daring marlin
#

welp

sand egret
#

it doesnt work with Healthstones or yeah>

daring marlin
#

Shame health pots need siren’s sting

oblique garnet
#

not gonna drop blacksmith or engineering for it tho

daring marlin
#

reeeeeeeeeeeeee

lusty grotto
#

What did I miss

warm plinth
#

Your shot at being America's Next Top Model

lusty grotto
#

Hey yall it's chef nimchip, just 1 beer in :(

oblique garnet
#

The alchemy trinket confirmed has 1ppm

daring marlin
#

It’s a phat trinket

primal crypt
#

it's definitely phat

daring marlin
#

I need a higher ilvl vial to pair with it

primal crypt
#

def fat

daring marlin
#

Real talk this week is so free

lusty grotto
#

T h i c c

oblique garnet
#

this week is free with right team comp

daring marlin
#

I just bring a ret or holy friend

oblique garnet
#

nah

#

boomkin and rdudu

#

ezweek

daring marlin
#

cleanse my own debuff

lusty grotto
#

Yeah I'm not gonna drop professions for it lel

daring marlin
#

next pack

#

bop for me

#

and if I have a boomie

#

trees

#

epic

lusty grotto
#

Nimchipadin is available!

daring marlin
#

lul horde

#

scum

lusty grotto
#

cries in ex-human

oblique garnet
#

lul alliance

lusty grotto
#

cries in ex-human

#

Oh that reminds me that I have a paladin alliance side

#

...Who is probably 50

#

Also my original druid

#

... Who is probably 70

primal crypt
#

@oblique garnet I'm sorry

lusty grotto
#

time to check for funsies

primal crypt
#

my team is ragging on me too

#

"hey how come you didn't lust?"

#

lol

lusty grotto
#

wtf is this update

primal crypt
#

they were calling for it in discord

#

but I wasn't paying attention to them muted XDDDD

lusty grotto
warm plinth
#

What is your obsession with Nims and Chips

lusty grotto
#

hold up

warm plinth
#

Either I'm the fastest leveler in the world, or I'm having a huge lag spike right now.

lusty grotto
#

dont ask what zuaniavelez is

warm plinth
#

Hit 119 and already a scratch away from 120

#

XD

lusty grotto
#

only people like @astral crystal knows

warm plinth
#

Still hasn't updated. :/ Having so many lag issues in WoW lately.

#

Discord is working just fine

#

But it still hasn't updated my UI. Can't accept the quest from the NPC either because I already did and it hasn't updated yet lol.

astral crystal
#

She thicc @lusty grotto

lusty grotto
#

lol

oblique garnet
#

@lusty grotto i need a slutmog for my warrior

lusty grotto
#

i only provide decent god-fearing mogs

#

would anyone be interested in awesome mage stream

keen spire
#

Mage?

lusty grotto
#

magechip

keen spire
#

Mages are not warriors

lusty grotto
#

listen man

stone crag
#

yikes

lusty grotto
#

yikes not accepting this VDH

keen spire
#

I want to play VDH

lusty grotto
#

lets see if i get a good prot war

keen spire
#

but I am scared

stone crag
#

good
prot warr

#

pick one

#

4head

lusty grotto
#

nimchip

stone crag
#

who

daring marlin
#

good meme dude

lusty grotto
#

HAHA I WIN

keen spire
#

Ima good port wrarior

daring marlin
#

gotem

#

ez

stone crag
#

im a good wario

lusty grotto
#

you know whats funny is that i didn't invite anything to help with necrotic HEH HEH HEH HEH

#

bleh a bdk

daring marlin
#

abort

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
#

motherfucker, another bdk

daring marlin
#

hoodrych

lusty grotto
#

obviously not him

daring marlin
#

duh lol

lusty grotto
#

oh gross

#

hes fury

oblique garnet
#

Aight time to go dance on goldshire inn

lusty grotto
stone crag
#

lol

#

living in the past

#

pepehands

lusty grotto
#

YIKES

#

this is gonna be a good run

#

worthy of streaming

daring marlin
#

Fury is pretty legit in M+ especially with CSHB

lusty grotto
#

YUCK

oblique garnet
#

fury is better than arms on m+

#

atleast fury has a proper aoe slow

lusty grotto
#

yall has some shitty arms warriors

daring marlin
#

nah

oblique garnet
#

or good fury warriors

daring marlin
#

arms is just lol

#

Especially without ep

quiet relic
#

anyone have a link to sense exorsus raid tools profile?

lusty grotto
#

yall better bring the chip next run

daring marlin
#

careful

#

Your virginian is showing

primal crypt
#

shhhhhh

#

northern virginians only

wary badger
#

Is 40 stacks the norm for necrotic this week for all classes or just us?

mellow quartz
#

Play with a boomie and get treants

#

Stun, slow, ROP and kite until stacks drop

thorn mango
#

does a boomie make that much of a difference? cause i cant do shit without one lol

primal crypt
#

lol

#

I mean

#

bop does the same thing

#

ring of peace

#

too

#

anything that gives you breathing room

oblique garnet
#

treants basically allow you to reset without losing dps

#

bop does the same but has longer cd

mellow quartz
#

Treants is by far the single best tank assist this week

#

On a ridiculous CD

oblique garnet
#

@lusty grotto Wheres your stream music on the background :<

lusty grotto
#

blocked apparently

#

afk rq

#

oh

#

i figured out why it was so low lol

oblique garnet
lusty grotto
#

ye got a prot warrior with the right talents

#

yikes no DC

sand egret
#

haha just saw your chat log Nim, “bring a prot war” 👏👏👏

lusty grotto
#

lol

quiet crane
#

Loooooool that ele though

#

I know we insane but crikey they some bad dps

#

Arcane what even is that thought it’s all fire these days

sand egret
#

ele are monsters man

#

that burst aoe is perty nuts

oblique garnet
#

😦 necrotic without boomkin drops overall dps with like 3k

#

feels badman

sick sentinel
#

I never thought I'd purposely play wow to avoid aruging with my parent's anymore about why the moon landing is real and they think it isnt

#

I'm in a fucking madhouse

oblique garnet
#

But the moonlanding is clearly fake

sick sentinel
#

I'm going to kill everyone and then myself

ivory oxide
#

Hmm

#

That is going to take awhile

#

I think it ts real

sick sentinel
#

I'd be fine if they believed the Earth was flat

ivory oxide
#

Are you sure they aren't just trolling you

sick sentinel
#

These two only learned the word troll last month

#

Through the news

junior ivy
#

i just logged onto wow

#

lol

ember arrow
#

bad

junior ivy
#

BUT HIVEMIND

oblique garnet
#

hivemind is ez

#

took me 15 minutes to get mine

junior ivy
#

help me get it

#

then

#

please

#

add me

oblique garnet
#

Im eu 😦

sick sentinel
#

No

#

Suffer without it

junior ivy
#

whyd i just get 70 exalted reputatiosn achv

#

when i logged on

#

?

sick sentinel
#

New thing

oblique garnet
#

because reputations are account wide now

sick sentinel
#

Make rep easy

junior ivy
#

WHAT

#

WHAT

#

ARE YOU

#

SERIOUS

oblique garnet
#

Yes

junior ivy
#

?@!@>?!?@!

ember arrow
#

yes so you can enjoy the wonderful leveling

#

over

sick sentinel
#

There was a patch announced literally several months ago

ember arrow
#

and over

#

and over

#

and over

junior ivy
#

omg

#

i nevert thought theyd do it

oblique garnet
#

And you also get the champions of azeroth upgrades to all your characters as long as you have it on revered

junior ivy
#

idc about thgat

#

but reputationsssssssssss

sick sentinel
#

Unlike levko and the hate boner shoved up his ass, wow hasn't died

ember arrow
#

translation @junior ivy : i never thought theyd do this basic thing that any sane company would have done years ago

junior ivy
#

yeah

oblique garnet
#

Who cares about reputations from past expansions

ember arrow
#

@sick sentinel i didnt say wow is dead

junior ivy
#

i care so much

#

you duno how much i care

#

about reputations from past expansions

ember arrow
#

because it aint

#

its bleeding out though

keen spire
#

Grammatically, Levko, Nerdrage said YOU had died.

#

So

#

There's that

junior ivy
#

does anyoner wanna help me get hivemind?

#

NA alliance

oblique garnet
#

you need 5 people for it

ember arrow
#

what

Grammatically, Levko, Nerdrage said YOU had died.
So
There's that

oblique garnet
#

and since you havent played you need to farm atleast one of the monocles since i doubt you will get accepted to group of 4 who have one

junior ivy
#

whaaat

#

explain

ember arrow
#

sums up wow perfectly tbh. supposed secret mount taht you can get in 15 min

keen spire
ember arrow
#

yes

#

teach me grammar

#

at 3 am

#

i care so much

oblique garnet
junior ivy
#

i do not wanna read that

ember arrow
#

^lol

oblique garnet
#

well youre gonna have to

keen spire
#

What I'm saying is that the sentence there, directed at you, means that YOU have died. @ember arrow

ember arrow
#

ok

junior ivy
#

i tried to but it was so long i got distracted

ember arrow
#

and?

junior ivy
#

i just want a TL;DR

ember arrow
#

u gotta be kidding

keen spire
#

So you saying that the game hasn't died is not exactly arguing what he was saying

ember arrow
#

ok

#

and

#

your point

#

should i write an apology letter?

keen spire
#

I'm not attacking you lol

#

relax

#

you defensive cow

ember arrow
#

im not being defensive

warm plinth
#

Levko, you're just in time for me to ding 120 on my warrior

ember arrow
#

gratz

warm plinth
#

💪

primal crypt
#

Gratz

lusty grotto
#

gz!

warm plinth
#

Thank you ✊

lusty grotto
#

i just timed an 11 on magechip 😄

warm plinth
#

Is that your druid?

#

🤔

primal crypt
#

@lusty grotto magelul

outer dew
#

@junior ivy you need 5 friends. 4 losers got to each get an atunement item. They spread and deactive beams to get secret code for court of stars and you solve some puzzles

oblique garnet
#

@junior ivy Well theres alot of puzzles that you have to do etc which i need to be done with the guides help

#

The puzzles were hella fun

primal crypt
#

You know what feels bad? Going as dps for a shrine 12, two chesting it, replacing your overall score but not getting tank score

outer dew
#

Loser

primal crypt
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Friend wanted to tank

outer dew
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That's why you don't dps

oblique garnet
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whyd you let that monk tank that?

junior ivy
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how do i find 4 [people to do it withh

primal crypt
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:(

lusty grotto
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oh whoops

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yamo

primal crypt
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I didnt think it was going to give me score

warm plinth
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I hear sending dick pics is successful

oblique garnet
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@junior ivy try premaade group ask around in guild idk

lusty grotto
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yamo look at my stream for my bnet

outer dew
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You blow them or pay 180k gold for a carry

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Lmao

oblique garnet
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oh yeah tit pics will probably get you 4 people instantly

primal crypt
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I cant, on the toilet

oblique garnet
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it gose for 30k on eu draenor

junior ivy
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can i pay 25k gold each for a carry

lusty grotto
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ahh toilet

primal crypt
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Toilet

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10%party

warm plinth
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50%party*

outer dew
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Probably could find a group for it

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Tbh

lusty grotto
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only 10%party 90%farts

outer dew
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100k for like 30 minutes isn't too bad

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Esp because someone on my server sells 10's for 80k

primal crypt
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People pay for hivemind?

warm plinth
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10%party 30%nuggets 60%farts

outer dew
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Lmao

primal crypt
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Lmao...we've been giving our monocles up for randos

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Time to sell now

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Ahahahahaha

warm plinth
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Anything that takes time is worth something to someone.

primal crypt
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Dude, my wife and I started at 1am

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Thinking it was going to be quick

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We were wrong about it at 5am

oblique garnet
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man you guys are bad at puzzles

outer dew
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My friend told the group

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We needed 2 of each monocle

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We never forget

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Lma9

warm plinth
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@primal crypt My gf looked over and read "Dude, my wife and I started at 1am" and was like well that's dirty

drowsy relic
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Are there any vods of prot warriors running keys this week without treats or a rop?

ember arrow
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@primal crypt My gf looked over and read "Dude, my wife and I started at 1am" and was like well that's dirty

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wait what

oblique garnet
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oh damn @drowsy relic my bad didnt stream earlier XD

outer dew
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Nah

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Don't watch late

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Too mong :^)

drowsy relic
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Lol

outer dew
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I stream on discord just for you. Ez

oblique garnet
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You mean you want to watch depletes? yikes

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depending on the pack you basically just have to shockwave->leap away

primal crypt
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@warm plinth lol

oblique garnet
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There are some packs that are immune to rop so you have to clench and hope for a reset and if you dont have either of those the dungeon is gonna be difficult

outer dew
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Don't even need to leap

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Pop a lightfoot and peace the fuck out

oblique garnet
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tbf theres so many classes that can help you resetting the stacks it shouldnt be an issue even with boomie or monk

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boomkin is just best because you dont lose any dps

outer dew
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I mean

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Should always have a lightfoot

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I carry ~100 at all times

drowsy relic
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Darkee ran without both, he had the usual resto druid+ dh + rogue + ele

oblique garnet
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well yeah

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resto druid with ursols vortex helps and ele has a knockbacvk

drowsy relic
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Ele has a knockback?

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Like typhoon?

oblique garnet
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ye

drowsy relic
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Jesus he did that run with fury traits and fathoms

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Some people are just insane

oblique garnet
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fathoms aint bad

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i dont use it because i have better ones at 385

lusty grotto
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yeah lots of prots use fathoms still