protection

[oblique garnet]

but the 395 is legit tho

[eager hedge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21973195
"Fixed a bug where some shields and off-hands had a chance to Titanforge. Existing items that have dropped will not change, but new drops of these items should no longer have a chance to Titanforge."

Maybe theyre looking to revert it?

[uneven mason]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

You wont lose your shield tw

dw

and the 380 doesnt matter

since you got the 395 which is the max you can

[eager hedge]

Oh, i dont care about the 380, im just wondering if its intended, another "undocumented" change

Would be nice to know for next tier

[uneven mason]

being able to TF shields would be pretty nice

[oblique garnet]

100% bug

[uneven mason]

except my luck

means I'll get a "Goblinforged" shield

which will be a mythic siege drop

[lapis wraith]

goblinforged?

[uneven mason]

that downgrades to 315

[lapis wraith]

lmao

[uneven mason]

cause my luck with shields is 🖕

[lapis wraith]

i'm still using vector deflector

[uneven mason]

I've got a HC ghuun shield

Vectis hasn't dropped shit

AD hasn't dropped shit

chest hasn't dropped shit

[oblique garnet]

i ninjad that 385 shield from vectis LUL

[meager sluice]

Got a 385 from chest last week lol

It was accidental lol

Meant to spec fury

[uneven mason]

Maybe I'll get lucky

and the 4mythics I Have yet to finish will give me a WF 380

[lapis wraith]

you play a warrior, aren't you already lucky?

[meager sluice]

I’ll

Pass

[oblique garnet]

Nah im not happy unless we are the worst

[lapis wraith]

lmao

[uneven mason]

We've never been the worst

just in the eye of the community

so when we do amazing things like, not die while topping DPS

folks are like 👏

[lapis wraith]

i solo'd taloc hc at 366 and none of my abilities were used correctly.

jfc.

[uneven mason]

DPS can tank Taloc HC

he doesn't do anything worth noting

[lapis wraith]

no, but it's good to learn the rotation and shit

[uneven mason]

prob

[lapis wraith]

i mean. i did it all wrong for all the heroic bosses we did last night, i think. idk how to check it. reading is hard.

[uneven mason]

You can solo tank Taloc Mythic as well.

[meager sluice]

Gotta say the prot bois are way cooler than the arms and fury bois

[uneven mason]

They've had it good all Xpac

[meager sluice]

^

[uneven mason]

they've devolved into the Retribution paladin discord

[meager sluice]

Arms was insane before

[uneven mason]

"Does this DPS make my ass look fat?"

[meager sluice]

Lmaooo

[uneven mason]

"My slutmog doesn't match my spell animations, TO THE FORUMS!"

[dusk locust]

man we got to p3 ghuun so much last night and can't quite seal it. i feel like the center of the room is full of malignant growth which is destroying melee and i'm not sure what i can do with the boss to make it any easier for them

[meager sluice]

“My ears are still sticking out of my helm!”

[astral crystal]

@dusk locust most of your wipes will be orange parses

[meager sluice]

Why does my shield stick out of hive mind????

[astral crystal]

Orange logs*

There’s two bumps, 3% and 1%

Most important moments for people to stay and keep themselves alive

[dusk locust]

yeah we got to 2-3% several times

it feels like it's going so well and it falls apart

[astral crystal]

Just gotta make sure melee aren’t bumping into each other

[mellow quartz]

How many stacks do you end up with?

[astral crystal]

Yeah that’s the fights trick pretty much, you should be aiming for an 8:25 or so kill time

Because there’s a really nasty overlap

[dusk locust]

we've definitely had pulls with people who have far too many stacks

not spreading is an issue

[astral crystal]

Of growths, pizza and wave

[dusk locust]

yeah there's some overlap (3rd growth?) where we always instantly lose 5 people

[astral crystal]

It takes some practice but if you’re consistently getting to p3 and people are managing going to their assigned area/dynamically moving to adapt then you’ll be fine

[dusk locust]

i feel like we're doing it

[signal plover]

We finally had consistent P3 wipes but didn't get the kill last night so now we get to wait til 2019 to do it.

[dusk locust]

same man

lol

we're back to being at the same spot

[jovial verge]

Helped me to save Leap and Berserker rage for emergencies, rather than just burning them to be lazy. Was a huge help actually lol

[dusk locust]

our first pull was 3% wipe last night, then regressed p2 a bit, then hit p3 a bunch

[signal plover]

Ya I sit on zerk rage but a fair bit

Every time we pushed a new best in P3 we followed it up with a P1 wipe to explosive corruption

[dusk locust]

haha

our p1 is pretty solid

[jovial verge]

I die a little inside

[dusk locust]

p2 is pretty good now too

[jovial verge]

when that happens

[dusk locust]

just can't get it done in p3

[jovial verge]

though it took me longer htan i'd like to admit that I could spell reflect explosive corruption >.<

[dusk locust]

SR in m ghuun is amazing. i'm first orb runner and spell reflect at 10 seconds. half the time i was targeted

then i SR the one around where blightspreader spawns so that i'm easily in position to interrupt

[signal plover]

Stop copying mAh skills

I'm basically an automaton in P1 now

[jovial verge]

even p2. its so boring

[dusk locust]

it's straight up muscle memory now

sometimes i forget how many feasts have been out so far

lol

[jovial verge]

The fight is so easy. Peoples problem is they get into a rythm, and then can't react when something is inevitably different

[dreamy owl]

hey guys for ghuun heroic? should my shield have an uptime of about 25-30%?

just trying to see where I can improve

[signal plover]

Your shield block?

[dreamy owl]

yep forgot to write block

shield block

[old zephyr]

SB should have 50%uptime

[signal plover]

You can get very close to 100% effective uptime on ghuun with 8.1 changes

[old zephyr]

and almost 100% of active tanking

[lusty grotto]

50%party

[old zephyr]

I am now on vacation, so more likely 100% party

[lusty grotto]

But yeah 25 to 30 uptime is flat out bad @dreamy owl

Do you have logs? I could show you where to look for effective uptime

[oblique garnet]

25 to 30 % uptime?

on what

[lusty grotto]

Blocking

[oblique garnet]

oh

what?

[sand egret]

talking about sb uptime when tanking h ghuun

[primal crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kHtw7T9r3g1QAmpz/#fight=last Alch Trinket test in Atal 11

just smashing through

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

9k dps ??

yamo??

helo?

[primal crypt]

small pulls 😦

Healer was freaking out

[sand egret]

10% uptime on that alch trinket buff

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

Should have brought ninchipadin

[primal crypt]

Yikes

Should have

Dm your bnet

[meager sluice]

Is shield block useless on casters?

[primal crypt]

So I can spam you nim

[lusty grotto]

I will when I get home lol

[sand egret]

defensively and its a spell, then yes

[lusty grotto]

Post office line makes me sad

Last minute gift sending to VA ;(

[meager sluice]

So IP over SB in rotation for pulls where casters do most dmg?

[primal crypt]

12 procs

For alche trinket...

Span of 24 min

Roughly

[oblique garnet]

Where do you see it? i didnt see it at all

[primal crypt]

Strength

It says

12 procs

10%

10.82%

[oblique garnet]

Oh

so roughly procs once every 2 minutes?

[primal crypt]

Yup

[oblique garnet]

Eh

[primal crypt]

Mediocre

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[primal crypt]

For 15 sec

Each

[sand egret]

.5 ppm

womp womp

[primal crypt]

Yikes

Was good trial

[oblique garnet]

meanwhile you can get the on use trinkets with 1 min cd

[primal crypt]

Now to scrap it lul

[sand egret]

yeah, honestly good info though

[primal crypt]

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure we saw something

[sand egret]

you'd have to weigh it against pot usage too, tbf

[primal crypt]

Especially in dungeon use

I only popped two pots

[sand egret]

prob could use a few more runs to get a better base

[primal crypt]

And that was by accident

[sand egret]

but yeah, doesn't look stellar

[primal crypt]

Finger was itching to pop more

But pug group no thanks

[sand egret]

and a MW to boot

[primal crypt]

Dude was struggling boiii

He was rop at 14 stacks

[sand egret]

lol

[primal crypt]

Avatar just starting to roll

I was pissed

BUT did it for the trinket logs

So meh

[sand egret]

I just build ~25-30 then fireblood, usually allowing me to sit in a whole avatar phase

[primal crypt]

Shhhhhh

SHHHHHH

...

Not even fair

[steep lily]

Is the 385-415 alch trinket chain the same proc rate?

[primal crypt]

I cant even bull rush through because I still take hits

[sand egret]

LOL

you can bullrush away amirite?

180noscopebullrush

poor man's disengage

[primal crypt]

YEAH

But

[sand egret]

shoulda went nightborne. built in 50% slow

hek

[primal crypt]

Would be more effective if I rush through and stun run away

Cant do it though

Still take blows to the face as I run through

[sand egret]

ooof

[oblique garnet]

I feel like this could be good for this week

[sand egret]

yeah the FB >cocoon > combo is le sweet

at least its 30% and not that jebait 20%

so we're at least 10% net positive on mobs...

fucking TClap

[steady fiber]

FB cocoon ?

[sand egret]

fireblood > cocoon

[steady fiber]

oh

sry for being a monkey 🐒

[sand egret]

dont apologize haha

[primal crypt]

We're all monkeys

[steady fiber]

😄

[primal crypt]

That's why we're here in this discord

[sand egret]

totally legit question, and not the most prevelant acronym this day and age

[uneven mason]

I see you're singing my gospel Blade

[primal crypt]

But yeah, the alche procs sadden me :(

[sand egret]

oh i had a MW last night

[primal crypt]

I was hoping for so much more

[uneven mason]

Its nice isn't it

[sand egret]

and it was a glorious moment

of dropping a 40 stack of chaos at like 20% hp

just BOOM

[uneven mason]

you even glow gold and shit

[sand egret]

back to full before I could even finish my charge 👌

heck, i was topped before i could cry "mah uptime"

hahah yesss

esp if you get all those snotbois in SoB

[uneven mason]

gotta nuke the meme fast

Sal might be anywhere

[sand egret]

avatar + fireblood = dorf but tauren size

[uneven mason]

and glowing

its the glow

[sand egret]

yes, esp with avatar cuz you get both effects on top

[steady fiber]

Shit i have a problem i want change race to DiD and make male but my char is female worgen so and name is like for female :/

🤔

[sand egret]

female dorf.

duhhh

[steady fiber]

But, i can hardly fap on female DiD 😦

face:/

[sand egret]

my only issue with female DiD is that they dont have the sick beards

[steady fiber]

😮

[sand egret]

but on that now the Seigebreaker set from ulduar is prime beard helmet mog

[steady fiber]

we have a Conchita fan !!!! 😮

[rocky ledge]

@primal crypt did you only test the trinket in one run? I’d be curious to know what it’s like in an instance you felt you had more dps uptime.

If the proc was closer to 20% I’d say it was worth

[sand egret]

i was looking at your log again too

[primal crypt]

@rocky ledge im gonna run a few more later

I was rushed to get that one

[sand egret]

it's hard to parse it a bit without knowing it within actual combat time

[primal crypt]

Wife has a doctors appointment

@sand egret yeah

I was thinking

[steady slate]

why didn't you just make her uber to it?

[primal crypt]

Try it a normal uldir clear

[rocky ledge]

I mean, I don’t care until next month. Take your time 😃

[sand egret]

it looks like its actually reliably procing when you figght

[primal crypt]

Since theyre quick

[sand egret]

but your pack cadence was slow

so it looks like uptime is low

[steady slate]

which trink are you talking about?

[sand egret]

Alch

[primal crypt]

Need to try it with my group later

[steady slate]

the one you make?

[primal crypt]

Pug data is meh

[rocky ledge]

It would be bad if pulls drag out to lots of kiting

[cinder nova]

the str/haste trinket in RoD makes my willy stiff

[sand egret]

id try to get logs of some boss fights

where they're >2 min

[primal crypt]

Or shrine 15

Lol

[sand egret]

heh yeah...

[primal crypt]

Kr 15

[sand egret]

any big fat dummy you hit often

oh

OH

tree boss

gimme a tree boss log lol

[primal crypt]

OH

I GO

[old zephyr]

How about 5 mins of dummy smashing ?

[primal crypt]

later

I go

[sand egret]

you could dummy smash...

but that's boring as shit

[steady slate]

man... ya'all are running real keys. i'm just getting comfortable tanking 8s in time. it's better than when i started asking for advice here by about 4 keys though

[old zephyr]

Dumy smash while6you are away

And6give us logs 1fter

[primal crypt]

Lmao

Live logs

[old zephyr]

@steady slate all it takes is à bit of practice to know What does What and where

[steady slate]

i'm going to tank a 10 kr when i get home. haven't tanked a 10 yet, so i'm looking forward to it

[old zephyr]

And à good group that knows What to do

Oh boy

[jovial verge]

And confidence in yourself

[old zephyr]

Good luck for kr =)

[oblique garnet]

Kr is spicy

Always spicy

[primal crypt]

Kr is very spicy

[oblique garnet]

Never happy

[steady slate]

it'll be me, a mw monk (his key), and three unknown dps

[oblique garnet]

get a boomkin

its a must

[steady slate]

those exist?

[primal crypt]

Sounds extra spicy lol

[steady slate]

i'm pretty sure we'll have a DH

[lusty grotto]

Kr ez

[old zephyr]

If there is à g'huun infested extra pull : by all mean keep your shockwave to stun thé g'huuns

[primal crypt]

And storm bolt

[steady slate]

i'd like to grab a rogue to sap the ghuun adds

[old zephyr]

Lost 10 min on a stupid g'huun extra pull the other Day

[primal crypt]

Happened to me on FH

[steady slate]

so boomie and rogue to complement the dh?

[primal crypt]

Forgot the damn rat was infested

[old zephyr]

In kr most wont be vulnérable to SAP

[steady slate]

hmm

[old zephyr]

But monk para should do

[primal crypt]

Thunderclapped him to death

[steady slate]

well, dh can imprison

[primal crypt]

They cant

[old zephyr]

Monk can para anything

[primal crypt]

Undead

[steady slate]

yeah, we got para

oh.

[primal crypt]

You need shackle

[steady slate]

i thought they could imprison anything

[primal crypt]

Or repentance

[old zephyr]

Only demons beasts and humanoïdes

[steady slate]

ok

so it only SEEMS like everything

[primal crypt]

Just go in there prepared

You'll be fine

[old zephyr]

À few tricks :
Rush in the ugly spawns that fear with rage and avatar to kill them quick

[steady slate]

any thoughts on spec or equip? just use standard spec? i'm running 1x DC, 1x BfI, and 1x CR

[old zephyr]

In the room before golden snake : kill the pack on6the left from the platforme First

Then the wandering fearing things

CR ?

[steady slate]

callous reprisal

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[steady slate]

it's a 390, so i'm gonna use it over my 375

[lusty grotto]

for 10s?

same shit as you wear in any other

same talents

[steady slate]

ok

[lusty grotto]

no other traits than BFI or CR?

Archive or BoM for example

[steady slate]

one DC

[lusty grotto]

i mean as replacement for those

keep DC

[steady slate]

Yeah, i have both

[lusty grotto]

use those 2

use highest ilvl

[old zephyr]

Is archive really better than BFI in m+ ?

[steady slate]

all the same except for the CR

all 375

[lusty grotto]

but if you can respec/replace BFI / CR

do so

if you want to push timers yes 4XTCH

[steady slate]

i thought BFI was good for us

[lusty grotto]

STR buff is great for dps

BoM is great for dps

[steady slate]

ok

[old zephyr]

So I should use archive from my Mother helm ?

[lusty grotto]

with decent albeit weaker than BFI, defensive benefits

[steady slate]

i can go archive on helm, BoM chest, and change shoulders to DC. i lose 15 ilvl, but that shouldn't be a showstopper

i'm using rezzan's eye and gore-crusted block (crit proc) trink

[primal crypt]

Archive bom dc

Is a beast set up

[steady slate]

yeah, i can make that happen

[primal crypt]

Secondaries go dps too

If you can live

Gutrippers etc

[steady slate]

would fathoms trink be better?

[primal crypt]

Nah

[steady slate]

the str dps one?

[primal crypt]

Stick with rez and block

[steady slate]

ok

i already do decent dps for a tank at my ilvl, but i'd like to drop the qualifier

[primal crypt]

Drop the qualifier?

[steady slate]

"for a tank"

[primal crypt]

Oh

Well

Go booty clap away

[lusty grotto]

remember to change back your traits for raid!

not that you will change archive, since you need that RA

[steady slate]

they make me raid as arms or fury 😦

[lusty grotto]

oh well f, just stay with those 3

[steady slate]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

BoM is meh for raids though so keep that in mind

[steady slate]

i'm trying to learn fury. similar secondary stats to prot. haven't got the hang of it yet

[lusty grotto]

what's fury?

arms and prot for life

[steady slate]

that's what i normally run

arms for raid and prot for m+

[lusty grotto]

i haven't done arms in a few weeks now though 😦

kinda miss it

[steady slate]

i think my RL has it stuck in his head that prot can't tank, so even when his co-tank decides to play his hunter, he has someone else fill in

[lusty grotto]

he's retarded

we could tank easily pre-8.1

[steady slate]

nah, just stubborn

[old zephyr]

Prot is amazing in6raids

[steady slate]

but, while he's been messing with his computer trying to get max FPS out of it, i've been demonstrating to any guildy that cares to join that i'm capable of tanking

[cold owl]

I love those tutorials.

[steady slate]

i noticed a difference in how fetid dev went the past two times. this week, he and another tank went on it and both dropped. last week, it was him and me and it was smooth as melted butter

[jovial verge]

Prot has been fine all tier.

[cold owl]

Agreed

[jovial verge]

Before I just permanently swapped to prot I'd fill in for mythic prog when a tank posted out

And it was more than fine

[steady slate]

i confess that i was a bit guilty of believing the anti-prot talk until i decided to really put some time into it

[jovial verge]

I'd agree it was pretty awful in comparison for m+ but for raiding it was fine

[supple path]

People fall into serious Ricky Bobby thinking about class balance.

[jovial verge]

MeThOd DoEsNt UsE WaRriOrs tHeY mUsT bE BaD

[steady slate]

i'm tanking middling m+ right now, mostly 6-8, and prot feels good. where i get into trouble is when i get greedy and overpull

[cold owl]

[steady slate]

they've gone much, much better since Sense pointed out i wasn't using SB anywhere near what i should. i focused on that and it's been much better

[cold owl]

I'm getting greedy on necro.

[steady slate]

happened to me in AD last night

[cold owl]

26 stacks, 70% hp. Dot ticks me to 30% while running around lol

[steady slate]

ouch

first few pulls of AD last night, i completely forgot necro was a thing and hit 40+ stacks and fell over

[cold owl]

The new dot is the only concern I have about it. With good dps, I can face tank the affix and still be at 65% when the pull ends.

In 9s. Not higher stuff

[vocal nimbus]

I just want infested to go out the window to have free liberty of pulls

[cold owl]

I can't wait for s2

[steady slate]

ok, well i think i'm done with work.

what's the s2 affix?

[cold owl]

I've been looking around for Reaping infi

Certain percentages mobs of some type chase you or something.

[sand egret]

everyone 20% of mob count

every*

seems to be a unique mob type as well. biggest question will be if it artificially slows down or speeds up runs

[keen spire]

Blade

Why are you in here all the time

Think of your family

Don't you think they miss you?

[sand egret]

Factually? No. But I'm also at work

[keen spire]

Oof

was a joke

lol

Yeah I'm at work too 🙌

[astral crystal]

They’re keeping some of reaping a secret so when it goes live player participation increases as they declare it a buggy unplayable mess

[keen spire]

Reaping?

[sand egret]

new season's affix

[keen spire]

Oh right

derp

[sand egret]

conceptually i really like the idea, and it has a potential to create a really neat factor to M+

[astral crystal]

How so?

[sand egret]

I want the Boo House in WoW and this could be it

[astral crystal]

Lol

I like having seasonal affixes, makes m+ a little more fresh every tier

And it’s nice that they’re keeping it thematic

[sand egret]

so in mario, boo levels are literally just normal levels with one crucial difference, which is this boo chasing you. The key is that he only chases you when you want to accomplish something else (aka looking towards the end/away from him). It creates an neat trade-off in the player's mind

if reaping is an affix of a similar sentiment, they creep slowly towards you and the best solution is to simply pull fast enough to get out of range (assuming they last for X time)

whereas infested artificially slows pulls, this could actually force teams into pulls they may not be comfortable with

esp if the "ghosts" that spawn can vary so mob packs can have bad/worse ghosts that spawn

[astral crystal]

If that’s the case then bdk would become even better

[sand egret]

maybe

there's also a world where you need to burn through packs fast to give you space, maybe time to bring a warrior that also doubles as a DPS....=)

but who knows, im very interested tho

[lusty grotto]

i was just gonna say that

[sand egret]

if anything it would be a nice shift away from how teams play/got used to 10+ keys this season

[lusty grotto]

shrug, there are dungeons where you basically pull everything up to a boss

like i can see it working in AD or FH but the rest...

[sand egret]

doesn't work in this affix

well at least if you happen to break that 20% during a boss fight...

considering the "mobs" in early datamine all have a 75% damage reflect aura...prob not the best idea?

[jovial verge]

75% reflect? that sounds awful

[sand egret]

mostly likely to ensure the strat isn't just "kill the ghosts"

but this was from very early datamining so cum grano salis on that one

to me more clear, specifically 3 "ghost" mobs were found in the 8.1 ptr build early that all had an "Aura of Reaping" modifier. It easily could be another mob for something else entirely (for instance, maybe the Rhastakhan fight?)

mind you that modifier shared a lot of similarities to how the Infested modifier looked for this season.

[keen spire]

This is the problem with datamining, imo

Makes people plan for shit that might not exist

[signal plover]

^

[sand egret]

just need to be aware of the variance

[signal plover]

Lots of mis info too

[keen spire]

I mean I'd rather just have it come out when it coms out

comes*

and then formulate strategies afterward

There's this culture of "I have to know everything before it happens so I can be the first to do the thing"

[sand egret]

yeah, but this is strictly speculation

[keen spire]

which is weird to me

I mean speculation can be fun

[signal plover]

Blade loves fuckin writing too

[keen spire]

like

I really love speculating how it would feel to sleep with Anne Hathaway

but like

I don't waste my time with it, ya dig?

xD

[signal plover]

What if she has a 75% reflect aura tho

[sand egret]

well, reaping being the way I speculated is probably way more likely than that

[keen spire]

I'd still go for it

Considering she's married, urite

[sand egret]

😁

[signal plover]

Me too

[sand egret]

but conceptually, I enjoy thinking about the possibilities

[keen spire]

Yeah, I'm not tryin to knock you or anything

By all means, continue

just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in there about all this datamining stuff

[sand egret]

yeah, it's a tough path to walk if you actually don't know what you're really looking at

see: "mastery getting removed"

[keen spire]

ZOmG wER GetTNG MAstERY RMEOVED?1/!

[sand egret]

still get people in here thinking that was a thing

[keen spire]

I just hit things man

I hit things and watch as things try to kill me

and then laugh

because they can't

[drowsy relic]

For M+ should I take drop my 375 DC for a 390 IF or Archives?

[keen spire]

The answer lies within.

Honestly you still want the DC

[drowsy relic]

idk im thinking archives might be worth since it stacks up pretty fast if we're chain pulling alot

[keen spire]

15 ilvl bump probably doesn't outweigh the DC

[drowsy relic]

the flat strength bonus is nice

[keen spire]

But

Do you have any other DC piece?

This is in the pins: - With the Deafening Crash adjustment, after casting a given Demo Shout, Thunder Clap is your highest priority ability until you hit the max 6 second extension (3 TCs), after which you swap back to the "normal" ability priority.

• As a very, very general rule, DC is only worth dropping if a new piece is +45 item levels. 30 item level upgrades should pretty much always be taken for other pieces.

But like that says, it's very general

So if you're going for a specific thing, maybe try out that 390

you can also sim that shit

[primal crypt]

@drowsy relic are you dropping your only dc?

[cold owl]

So happy the outer ring of the engi goggles next season are DC/Bloodsport

[lusty grotto]

do not drop your only DC for archives

[modern brook]

Know whats nicer than ~300 str

+6s of 20% DR

keep DC

[old zephyr]

@primal crypt any more logs on that alch stone?

[mellow quartz]

Does it work on health stones?

[old zephyr]

it doesn't

[mellow quartz]

Meh

[old zephyr]

the question is about the proc

[oblique garnet]

nice i got the hivemind without having to do any of the moncoles because our guildies were missing 5th

[uneven mason]

+++

[lusty grotto]

well now you're stuck with those 4 for life late

cause they carried you

your mind is melded with them

[keen spire]

nah, you can reattune

[lusty grotto]

with 4 other people that have lenses, because he doesn't 😛

[oblique garnet]

Idc about all that

[lusty grotto]

but that speed boost mang

[oblique garnet]

3 of those people were in my m+ group anyways XD

[lusty grotto]

gottagofast.gif

[raw trail]

So Intimidating Presence is pinned as “extremely niche”, I feel like it should be in every m+ tanks set. At the end of a dungeon it is often 7% or more of my healing. It also prevents damage to allies. I think calling it extremely niche will make people not look at it.

[lusty grotto]

you can't use it in KR, limited mobs are fear inmune in other dungeons. Doesn't work on bosses. It is niche, because it works on M+ but not in raids.

and it works not on all M+ scenarios

[raw trail]

Right you can’t fear undead but that doesn’t mean the talent isn’t worth taking most of the time in 5 man content

I have never had another tier 3 trait provide as much for my group

[merry bane]

So what do we think fo An cients Bulwark

[modern brook]

Q: why are you healing if you're only brining 3 dps?

[merry bane]

what?

[modern brook]

Ancients sucks shit

if its what i think it is

lemme look it up

yeah its bad

[merry bane]

What makes it bad

280 vers standing still or healing on the move

[modern brook]

500h/ps is pisspoor

[lusty grotto]

@raw trail our guides are mostly about ALL content, not just M+

[merry bane]

when we have no self heals? its just a more steady Azerite veins

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto its not good in all of M+ either

[lusty grotto]

which is why things like BoM and arguably Intimidating Precense are marked as "Niche"

[modern brook]

Its niche in every situation = Extremely niche

AV doesnt compete with other outer rings though

[lusty grotto]

yeah not talking about ancient bulwark

[modern brook]

im bouncing between both

bulwark is bad

but so is the fear one

[merry bane]

THe reason I ask is becuase I have the heroic 390 helm

[modern brook]

Does the heroic 390 have a prot specific option?

[merry bane]

so its the choice between BFI or this

[modern brook]

bfi is better

we dont need self healing

Theres an entire role dedicated to that

rather: we dont need it that badly

to sacrifice other outer rings for it

[raw trail]

I would consider m+ more than half the content pve players do, I just think the pin is giving players an unfair view of intimidating presence and causing them to write it off

[lusty grotto]

thats your opinion man

[modern brook]

IP isnt good in half the m+ dungeons

.>

[merry bane]

so then would crystal carapac or gutrippe rbe better then.

I always loved self shielding personally

[modern brook]

CC if you wanna be tankier

I'd go gutripper becuase i paly prot for the parses

[steady slate]

pawn is recommending versatility gems. should i go with that or stick with haste?

[raw trail]

Most mobs are fearable

[sand egret]

a few issues with the Imposing Presence for me are(i've been rocking 3x it last week) is that a) fear immune mobs stink, b) it doesn't apply to certain things in addition, c) it's based on a 1.5 minute cooldown and d) it competes with stuff like IV and RP which at least at 2x stacks of IV does signficantly more healing consistently

[modern brook]

I dont think pawn is trustworthy Roaald

Haste is a stat that is always better to have more of

I would personally always gem haste

only gem verse if you're doing some really dopey progression with non-blockable damage that 1 shots you

[primal crypt]

Not home yet

Ill let you guys know when im back around for more

Gonna go straight into waycrest

A higher one if I can find one

[sand egret]

love me some tree boi time

[ocean acorn]

anyone have the glitch where tree boi disappears

[raw trail]

A 1.5 min cd is up almost every pull in 5 mans, also I don’t think I would run 3 of it

[merry bane]

I just noticed I have a helm with DC

[steady slate]

i can go either 3x RP or 1x IV and 2x RP. is the extra stack of RP worth it or should i stay like i am with the split?

[modern brook]

which ones RP?

protection

got it

[steady slate]

Resounding Protectionm

[modern brook]

I'd stay split

but im also super hard for IV

my reason being that getting hit with RP up still triggers IV

[merry bane]

whats IV

[modern brook]

impassive vissage

[steady slate]

impassive visage

[modern brook]

'cept spelled right

[merry bane]

OH nice I have that on every piece I can get

[modern brook]

its dope af

I'm alsoa huge fan of bury the hatchet during explosive weeks

[merry bane]

problem is I have a 390 azerite helm

and the next lowest is 375

so I am kinda stuck on stats unless I dont wanna equip the 390

[lusty grotto]

do not use Pawn for anything @steady slate

[modern brook]

Unless your hat is your only DC peice you probably want to equip the 390

Pawn more like pawn off this addon

[merry bane]

no I have shoulders 375 with DC

[lusty grotto]

always haste gems always

[merry bane]

my helm is the Petrified Iron bark one from IVus

I was running dual AT with DC

[modern brook]

Bloodsport + BFI + gutripper + long strider or IF + BFI + Carapace + Longs trider

would be my suggestion

[lusty grotto]

id agree with bull except for the gutripper part

[merry bane]

Right now I have Helm---BFI/GR/LS(only other choice was SR) Shoulder----DC/GR/GH Chest----BFI?UF/IV

[lusty grotto]

is there no other better defensiv trait on that piece?

[astral crystal]

yo

someone help me figure this out

[modern brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=166695/petrified-ironbark-crown&bonus=0&azerite-powers=1

[merry bane]

ill show a screen

that one yes

[modern brook]

gutripper globs or carapace

[astral crystal]

anyone good with thermal paste?

[modern brook]

define good with

I have used it in the past

[astral crystal]

like are you knowledgeable

[lusty grotto]

i mean carapace is better defensively

[modern brook]

I know how to apply it

[astral crystal]

because i ordered arctic mx4

[lusty grotto]

what's up atticus

[astral crystal]

and it came with this shit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/352859573964505089/525758009138348062/image0.jpg?width=370&height=494

what the FUCK is this

is this liquid heroin

did china send me liquid heroin

[lusty grotto]

that's heroin yes

inyect in veins

[modern brook]

doesnt look like thermal past etbh

[sand egret]

it's a distributor

[astral crystal]

i have the thermal paste separately

[sand egret]

but that's an interesting color

[astral crystal]

how to apply

i thought you just dabbed on the processor

and that was it

no distributor

[lusty grotto]

that's it

[modern brook]

you did it

[sand egret]

that is, this just allows you to do it cleaner

which is where problems can arise

[modern brook]

just put it in your neighbors trashcan dude

[astral crystal]

[lusty grotto]

did you taste the yellow thing? it might be heroin or piss... either way you win

[astral crystal]

ok

[lusty grotto]

ohhhh

[modern brook]

put the paset on ur hands and rub it on the prcoessor

[lusty grotto]

that's like alcohol rubbing?

[astral crystal]

i have already injected half

[modern brook]

then put your heroin in your neighbors trash

[sand egret]

also

[astral crystal]

will report back with findings

[sand egret]

it could be a cleaning solution

[lusty grotto]

listen

[neon tangle]

I am guessing it's some shit to clean off the old paste

[lusty grotto]

did you clean your cpu with alcohol?

[sand egret]

to clear off old paste

[lusty grotto]

yeah that makes sense

[neon tangle]

I did liquid metal for my last build

[lusty grotto]

i just use isopropil alcohol

[neon tangle]

that shit was horrible to apply

[astral crystal]

got it

[signal plover]

What da fuqq is goin on in here

[lusty grotto]

jet fuel melting iron beams alcohol

what

no?

listen

my bday is 9/11 😦

[signal plover]

Happy late birthday

[lusty grotto]

ty

[sand egret]

someone has been hitting the paste hard..

[lusty grotto]

can confirm, its heroin

who knew it was a great old-thermal cleaning thing

[neon tangle]

I don't really get how they can say "BETTER THAN LIQUID METAL"

[lusty grotto]

i dont know man

liquid metal is pretty shitty

cool looking, but shitty to support things with

[modern brook]

metal isnt a liquid guys lol

[astral crystal]

Also featured

Finger condoms

[modern brook]

yall stupid af

[lusty grotto]

i knew it was heroin

[neon tangle]

@modern brook whut

[lusty grotto]

just in case you want to finger yourself

[merry bane]

Here you go

[lusty grotto]

gotta get rid of that constipation somehow

FYI though

gutripper for dps but crystalline defensively

if we were talking defensive sets i'd say respec those traits

[merry bane]

I have dual AT with pur edefensiv eon it

[modern brook]

gutripper

[neon tangle]

@merry bane Do you have another DC?

[merry bane]

I have a 340 helm with dc

[lusty grotto]

urpe? did i solve your puzzle?

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto fucking shield block is for defensives

[lusty grotto]

or is it gutipr

[modern brook]

Are you tryna CLAP

or not

[neon tangle]

@merry bane ignore me, I thought you were asking which of 3 pieces to use

[lusty grotto]

lol cmon man

you dont know the kind of content hes doing

[modern brook]

thats fair

[merry bane]

no that is what I am currently wearing @neon tangle

[modern brook]

I assume he's tryna clap

[neon tangle]

Maybe he wants DPS parses

[modern brook]

walk up into waycrest and CLAP

[lusty grotto]

those are shit for mythic progression

[modern brook]

walk into mom's house and

CLAP

[merry bane]

I have Dual At with DC for Raiding

[lusty grotto]

and they are shit if you can't survive your key levels

[modern brook]

IDK

[lusty grotto]

what's AT

Archive?

[merry bane]

Archive of the Titans

[modern brook]

I look at mid rings like i looke at trinkeets

[lusty grotto]

why dual Archive?

[modern brook]

If you're dying in current content

[lusty grotto]

shit dude why aren't you using dual archive for M+?

[merry bane]

420 strtength up at all times during raid fights

[modern brook]

ITs not cause u dont have defensive trinkets

you're messing something else up

[lusty grotto]

swap those sets up

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I run with DPS traits in mythic progression, but that's cause bossfights aren't killing me

it's due to DPS dying / doing stupid shit

[merry bane]

I am just using my trinkets cause of the ilevel

[modern brook]

^

[neon tangle]

boss dying faster means we're more likely to kill it

[merry bane]

I have quite a few good ones

[modern brook]

If you're dying as a tank you either a) are undergeared or b) arent playing correctly

[lusty grotto]

he's not using Archive in M+

i mean

[modern brook]

idt having defensive middle traits will be the deal breaker

[merry bane]

I was using it

[modern brook]

so i gear offensively

[neon tangle]

Going full turtle is a 8.0 prot warrior move 😛

[lusty grotto]

Use 2x Archive in M+

[merry bane]

thats why my pieces arent changed

[astral crystal]

some dipshit that frequents my guild's discord actually said monks are better than warrs because monks can't get 1 shot... i'm just curious what 1 shot situation he's run into in the past few tiers

[merry bane]

I have 375 Grid and 375 Virulent chest

[modern brook]

sometimes u forget to play and dont sb or ip

[neon tangle]

@astral crystal early fetid, early ghuun, early mythrax?

[astral crystal]

how early are we talking

[merry bane]

I was wanting to try something new but I can always run those pieces

[astral crystal]

method prog early?

cause if so: lol

[neon tangle]

not now, but back when prog was at maybe 370ilvl

[lusty grotto]

you're not gaining deeps by running those 2

[neon tangle]

There's a reason monks were 75% of the first 100 ghuun kills

[old zephyr]

Eat and drink stam and you can afk offtank fetid now

[neon tangle]

now, doesn't matter

[astral crystal]

none of those bosses one shot though

[neon tangle]

we all got 380 gear

[merry bane]

my dps aoe wise was around 25k plus with archive and my old build

[modern brook]

pussy numbers

@uneven mason bust out the bars

[neon tangle]

@astral crystal I'm prolly giving him too much credit

and assuming he's talking about monks being better cause larger EHP

[merry bane]

I never parsed for damage. I was always worried about surviving

[modern brook]

Monks give your healers a huge buffer to react

thats their benefit

[merry bane]

now I wanna change it up before season 2

[astral crystal]

just sayin though, im pretty sure i was 372-375 when we killed fetid

has g huun's melee/corrupting bite been nerfed?

[old zephyr]

Monks were better Because more forgiving and "less vulnérable" to magic

But know the sheer power of warrior Will weight in the balance

[lusty grotto]

if youre worried about surviving in M+ use 2x BFI 1x DC, if you're not use 2x Archive 1x DC. If you're worried about surviving in M Raids use 1x Archive 1x BFI 1x DC, if you're not use 2x Archive 1x DC. If you're worried about surviving respec all those gutrippers/globules/whirls to defensive traits, if you're not then stay as you are

@merry bane

[merry bane]

havent done mythic raiding yet

[lusty grotto]

then you have nothing to worry about surviving

[merry bane]

I have heroic ghuun on farm but havent found any mythic son mys erver that can get opast mother

[lusty grotto]

on your server?

[modern brook]

@merry bane fuck nimchips shit advice

[lusty grotto]

mythics are xrealm now

[modern brook]

spec only for damage

and shield block

😠

[merry bane]

mythci raiding isnt fromw aht I was told

[lusty grotto]

mythics have been xrealm for a month now

[neon tangle]

It opens up after 100 alliance + 100 horde guilds kill m ghuun

[lusty grotto]

leaderboards are full

[merry bane]

what the fuck man. I did not know that

[lusty grotto]

just remember that you are stuck in that raid instance though

[neon tangle]

^^^^

[lusty grotto]

so make sure you know when they'll be continuing or whatever

[neon tangle]

I'd 100% try and join a fresh one

[lusty grotto]

yup

[neon tangle]

most groups now can kill mother + taloc at least

[lusty grotto]

im lazy and havent gotten a mother/zek yet

[neon tangle]

mayyyybe zek

[merry bane]

problem is, is they all want someone who has killed them already

[lusty grotto]

naw

link aotc

that's it

[neon tangle]

not for taloc/mother, you'll prolly be fine

[merry bane]

not enough for them apparently

[lusty grotto]

listen

[merry bane]

I got declined a few times on that premise

[lusty grotto]

what corner of the server clusters are you in

[merry bane]

I am on Wyrmrest Accord

[lusty grotto]

are you horde

[merry bane]

Alliance

[old zephyr]

I need to get myself 1 better weapon but fetid/mythrax are not being bpugged

[lusty grotto]

OH

well idk about alliance lul

🤷

[merry bane]

generally I browse the Premade Raid groups fior mythics

and when I apply and get declined they ask if I have done it, I say no but I have seen the mechanics and never get an invite

[modern brook]

heres the thing freedom

If someone wants CE For pug mythics

you dont want to pug mythic with them

that simple

[merry bane]

CE?

[modern brook]

cutting edge

[merry bane]

No thats not what they ask for

they ask for someone who has done the fights before

[modern brook]

then lie.

[merry bane]

ok then what? most dont use voice

[modern brook]

then u tank it :^)

[lusty grotto]

ehhh

[sand egret]

I only join pugs that ask for credit scores

they know whats up

[old zephyr]

If they don't use voice don't PUG with them

[lusty grotto]

Blade i'm gonna need your social security

[sick sentinel]

if someone has insane requirements, 99.999% of the time it means they do not meet them themselves

[neon tangle]

If you've done it on heroic you should be able to pick up pretty easily

[lusty grotto]

why is alliance so stingy though, don't they have like terrible number of Mythic compared to Horde

[merry bane]

yes its just another beam on eelvator phase

[sand egret]

what are you talking about i'm a 1.5k r.io on my friend's neighbor's account, that's why I need that for my +5 WM keys

[lusty grotto]

also look for groups on tuesdays

NOT ON SATURDAYS

or fridays 😦

[merry bane]

oh I am not looking for mythics now

[modern brook]

OR FRIDAYS DUDE

😠

[sand egret]

whispers

[merry bane]

gunna try out my new set on some mythic+ later tonight

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[sand egret]

Mondays....

[lusty grotto]

running shit on mondays

YIKES

better get that bottle of alcohol ready

[sand egret]

post a +10 on a monday

and just watch the sparks fly

[lusty grotto]

you know

i've had stellar results on mondays actually, for the past 3 weeks

for 10s

[modern brook]

+10 "just chill run for weely, alts accepted" then decline everyone

[sand egret]

although, i actually do charity runs on mondays

[old zephyr]

Next time you apply tell them skyhold sent you to give them a lesson of proper mantanking

[lusty grotto]

anything less than 10 and you're fucked lol (for alts)

fridays, saturdays and sundays though ugh

[sand egret]

a lot of weeks i'll bomb my key monday night to ~10 and just try and pick people who need it for the weekly

[modern brook]

weekend pugs are pretty 😬

[lusty grotto]

blade are you getting those good guy awards?

[sand egret]

not yet

[neon tangle]

as someone who exclusively weekend pugged for most of season 1

[sand egret]

just working on raising my karma rep

for when they unlock emissaries

[neon tangle]

is it really better early in the week?

[sand egret]

yes

[neon tangle]

maybe my idea of m+ is just horrible

[lusty grotto]

infinitely yes

[sand egret]

tuesday is glorious

monday is the dregs

Friday is also bad cuz the kids are out of school

[neon tangle]

I raid tues,wed,,thurs

rip

[sand egret]

but Mondays can be fun if you don't mind chill runs. I've met a lot of cool people from that

just don't try and push on a monday

[old zephyr]

Also +10 is mostly People wanting an "easy" chest so more likely bad People.
+12 and higher everyone knows their job

[merry bane]

those affixes this week though

[sand egret]

basically non-existant

[old zephyr]

Easy affix this week

[merry bane]

did +9 tol Dagor last night and wasnt pretty

[sand egret]

its lovely

Infested Tyr week ya'll

[lusty grotto]

the only thing i hate about necrotic is that i can't go ham on deeps if RoP/BoP is down

[old zephyr]

Charge in clap clap clap, shockwave run

[sand egret]

heh

running.

[lusty grotto]

bro

healers pop a nerve

[sand egret]

gonna flex it ALL week

[merry bane]

well with my 2x gut ripper should help alot

[old zephyr]

Well, leap but it was 1 char longer, to lazy to type

[sand egret]

not moving is way cooler anyway

[lusty grotto]

i like staying but i get upset when they yell

[sand egret]

I just tell em, "dont piss yourself when I get 30 stacks"

[lusty grotto]

Chef Nimchip tantrums away from mobs

[merry bane]

lol I had like 60 at one point last night

[lusty grotto]

like my brother using RoP at 15 stacks

[sand egret]

after the 3rd pull of me literally not moving

i think the healer realized what's good

[lusty grotto]

i just tell him he's a fucking pussy

and then it's brother mindgames and passive aggressiveness for all runs

[sand egret]

imagine just how good he'd feel if he could just drop a cocoon bomb on you after you just drop them stacks

[lusty grotto]

or him pulling extra shit that we don't need cause he's silently mad

[sand egret]

just trying to help you pad

[lusty grotto]

imagine dropping a cocoon on me while i'm walled

and after i have yelled WALL UP on voice

[sand egret]

hek

[neon tangle]

imagine having voice for m+ runs

[lusty grotto]

sometimes i just cant tell if hes fucking around with me

[sand egret]

right?

i wouldn't have to use all my marking macros

[lusty grotto]

human contact is nice guys, you should try it

socializing is human nature

❤

[neon tangle]

I mean, I agree with this

I have a hard time getting guild people in voice

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[neon tangle]

I finally had time last week to do m+ on my BDK, chested a bunch of 10+'s

[sand egret]

honestly, after that entirely deaf guild in Destiny destroyed everyone else in their raid completion time....voice is overrated

[neon tangle]

zero voice

was

horrid

[sand egret]

also a SICK story

[lusty grotto]

we didnt use voice in EQ and we did just fine, sure

sometimes i just wanna hang out with my pals, shoot the shit, tell my brother hes a pussy for freaking out at 15 stacks and that i'm not a shitty BrM, then going at the rest of the dungeon in silence cause hes mad

or

they be dying to random shots in TD

then blaming me for not having threat

and im like what

that's not possible, lets check if you guys got necrotic stacks when you died

oh you didn't? THEN I DIDNT LOSE THREAT

then silence

"your xmog is shitty"

ALT + F4

[old zephyr]

I had someone legit asking me to taunt the adds on azerok

Dude

[uneven mason]

holycrap

[old zephyr]

It was my m+ sensei

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[old zephyr]

The that taught me most iknow

[uneven mason]

@modern brook @merry bane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png

[lusty grotto]

oh that reminds me

[uneven mason]

better?

I need to get better bars

[uneven mason]

totally late though, actually had work todo

[old zephyr]

What pull was that ?

[uneven mason]

Temple after 3rd boss

+++

cheese

[old zephyr]

Fair

[lusty grotto]

you're dead to me mac

[uneven mason]

lol

[lusty grotto]

hand in your prot badge

[uneven mason]

I'ma bust 100k tonight

[lusty grotto]

youre on time out for 2 mins

[uneven mason]

BoMx2 1DC

[sand egret]

oh, THATS where that SS came from?

this guy...

brb doing temple to get that 100k parse

[signal plover]

Mac u need a pic of u on top of the meters not in second place like some BDK chud

[sand egret]

👆

[old zephyr]

Bdk would not be second though

[keen spire]

Nah, the demon hunter would be, because Mac would be on top

smh

[main vault]

War feels so good now, just PSA

[uneven mason]

Felt good before

feels a bit slipper now

might swap to bear

so I can continue my meme status of tanking Mythic raids as the underdog(bear)

[main vault]

Not you again

[uneven mason]

wadduhek, I been here the whole time

[modern brook]

thanks mac

[merry bane]

@uneven mason how the hell did you do 87k

[sand egret]

haha ya'll just brought this from Dreamgrove into this eh 😆

[oblique garnet]

87k is rookie numbers

[lusty grotto]

Nimchippy is retired, okay guys?

No dreamgrove allowed in this channel

[signal plover]

Bear memes?

[lusty grotto]

shh youll wake up Macrologia

hibernatin

[hushed cobalt]

As an alliance warrior, what works best when trying to get either a group to push(12-15 range for now) or a group for carry runs? I'd consider myself above mediocre levels of prot

[dusk locust]

pug around and add people you enjoyed playing with to your friends list

there are also discords and communities for m+

[hushed cobalt]

I try tyre adding people but they usually aren't keen on pushing/carrying

[dusk locust]

just takes time i think. i get people to request adding me once in a while

it's harder to come by a good tank

[uneven mason]

right now its a bit fat content lull