Fuk u
#protection
modern brook
meager sluice
modern brook
I hope that devastates you
keen spire
that really sucks for you Spinkz, but I think Eyir will help you out
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @keen spire
meager sluice
I ignored pain
lusty grotto
shh bby is ok
lusty grotto
50%toxic
thorn mango
there wouldnt be a pin that says what weeks u should not tank mythic plus is there? just attempted a 7 KR and i'd rather not talk about how it ended up lol
lusty grotto
there ar eno weeks that you shouldn't tank
tacit smelt
You should try to push yourself to do keys regardless of weeks. it helps with you tank knowledge and exp
lusty grotto
KR is easy this week
no fort, no danger
if your group is stupid and can't do bosses.... well, that's not your fault
bleak vigil
wtb buffs
bleak vigil
but buff is good 😂
main vault
Sure
lusty grotto
i don't really need buffs
thorn mango
yeah,sounds like a group issue then lol,we couldnt get passed council,was a bit of a clown fiesta
tacit smelt
Gimme back Inspiring Presence, free leech to all! muahahaha
lusty grotto
wtf lol
thorn mango
people actuially used that during legion? lol
main vault
Yes
lusty grotto
yikes
out of all the things
from legion
and you didn't say reflective plating
yikes
tacit smelt
i got a long list of things i want man dont get me started
primal crypt
yikes
lusty grotto
we dont really need anything else
tacit smelt
cries in manno bracers
primal crypt
nah
lusty grotto
why
primal crypt
manno bracers is mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bleak vigil
give those bracers back 😄
lusty grotto
it was minimal healing christ
keen spire
still fucked shit up
lusty grotto
you guys seem to think it'll make you BDKs
sand egret
lol look at all the people coming outta the woodwork
tacit smelt
better yet, give us Enraged Regen
sand egret
with no idea of current prot
lusty grotto
yeah no kidding blade
warm plinth
I mean, tbf with T20/T21 it was a LOT of healing, because we had a LOT of rage. But I wouldn't want them back. I want reflective plating and demo shout off GCD
uneven mason
Well, Legion bracers were pretty insane, with scaling IP and near infinite rage...
Current RPS is pretty silly, I'd rather have uh, belt and gloves
supple path
By the end of expansion legion bracers were pulling about 10-15% of the hp/s of a dedicated equally geared healer.
lusty grotto
bracers will never be a thing again anyway
sand egret
only leggo I want back is Leap Shoulders
uneven mason
talents
supple path
Leap shoulders, sephuz, agg stride.
sand egret
aka the QoL leggos haha
uneven mason
Agg stride would be pretty OP
bleak vigil
why do i feel like last stand heals first and then gives you 30 % more hp
uneven mason
I'd wear em
warm plinth
I wouldn't want belt back unless they took demo off GCD. That would be clunky as hell, especially with a 45 sec CD on Demo (was 90 in Legion, remember)
lusty grotto
because it does Viikate
tacit smelt
Nah sephuz would be op dont lie
uneven mason
because it does Viikate
uneven mason
Hot fact - that heal can crit
supple path
The important thing to remember is to equip your legendaries when doing timewalking so that you can learn to miss them all over again.
bleak vigil
yeah but it should first give u 30% more hp and then heal
uneven mason
no
bleak vigil
thats just retarded
uneven mason
It increases your health by 30% AND HEALS YOU FOR THAT AMOUNT
keen spire
guys prot is ded, just reroll to feral druid and you'll win.
tacit smelt
lol feral
lusty grotto
what the fuck lol
bleak vigil
well what a retarded design
uneven mason
because otherwise you'd either be in 2 stages, 1,. it'd be a much bigger heal (39%)
warm plinth
inb4 feral and guardian become one spec again instead of fixing feral
uneven mason
or, it would leave you at a health deficet
keen spire
@lusty grotto you doubt the feral?
uneven mason
It instead heals you for 30% of your health, and then increases your RELATIVE CURRENT HEALTH By 30%
lusty grotto
what
supple path
Last time I played my bear druid was when feral was the same spec as guardian and I fucking loved weaving in catform while tanking.
warm plinth
They're so far at the bottom that it's just pitiful.
lusty grotto
i didnt say anything about ferals
uneven mason
that's still a thing Censuras
neon tangle
@supple path IT was great for council fights and stuff
lusty grotto
nimchippy is feral currently ;P
uneven mason
catweaving is fucking amazing, if you're resto
neon tangle
Fathom Lorn in SSC for example
supple path
Really dramatically upped my AE damage, though lord knows how it goes now yeah.
neon tangle
druid would tank the shaman first IIRC, kill it, then you cat-formed for the rest of the fight
I loved that shit
warm plinth
Yeah but back then you had the full kit because it was one spec. Now you have like a shit version of the kit, and that's only if you talent into feral affinity
supple path
Bear druids were so fun in MoP.
uneven mason
Fathomlord +++ 4 tanks hotness
supple path
"hey guys, mind if I pop tranquility? don't worry, it's 4x better than a resto druid's."
uneven mason
"I'll hit my agi pots before it because I don't have to worry about mana too LOL"
1:1 agi to spellpower 👏 4000IQ idea
couldn't be abused at all
sand egret
i mean, best thing was the ability to like....get ice block
neon tangle
realtalk tho, I went to warrior because I was a druid tank for a long time
sand egret
whatever that fucking spell was
supple path
Oh god all those spells
neon tangle
and I realized that warrior was just a superset of that kit
warm plinth
Yeah, 1:1 agi to spellpower with predatory swiftness lawl
supple path
symbiosis
warm plinth
So broken
warm plinth
yeah it was actually badass, but just a wee bit overpowered.
sand egret
yeah conceptually cool, realistically improabable
warm plinth
Feral/rogue was basically resto/rogue without cyclone at one point lol (exaggerating a little but only a little)
keen spire
@neon tangle Yeah, bear and feral both feel like discount warr/rogues imo
they've struggled to have their own solid identity for a while to me
warm plinth
It seems like blizzard is still balancing druids like they did when it was still one spec.
Like they still have that mentality somehow, but in a distorted way
keen spire
Well Boomies feel like they have a strong identity to me
warm plinth
It's like now they have 4 distinct specs, but they're still balancing them like they still only have 3
keen spire
And resto is the king of HoT healing
warm plinth
Yeah I'm just meaning feral/guardian
Boomkin went through this for a long while too though. They were scrub tier for a long ass time
keen spire
that is true
warm plinth
You played balance because you wanted to be the silly looking chicken, not because it was an actual viable spec
keen spire
facts
warm plinth
Or because you got the same armor as a bear and you wanted to have fun trying to tank shit lol
neon tangle
I just did druid because it was my first class
keen spire
mine too, sadbox
warm plinth
Yeah I actually mained druid up until MoP, and have pretty much mained a monk since then.
neon tangle
and I thought that tauren were cool
warm plinth
Haha, yup...tauren druid was my first as well
neon tangle
I tend to swap mains, Druid -> Shaman -> Warrior -> ???
keen spire
are we the same person?
jesus
Warr/Sham/Druid are my standard mains
warrior usually wins out
warm plinth
You've now entered...The Twilight Zone
keen spire
Then DH came out and it was in the mix for Legion
but I haven't really touched it much in BfA
lusty grotto
warrior has always been my main since vanilla
keen spire
level 111 atm
warm plinth
The first time I played a warrior was in Wrath, when a guy paid me $250 to level it from 70 to 80 for him. True story.
warm plinth
Only downside, it was a night elf
keen spire
I was in high school
warm plinth
I actually haven't chosen a main this expansion yet. I just started actually doing BfA shit a month ago. First 120 was a shadow priest (I've never had a priest at max level before) because the gf and I were leveling void elves and we wanted to finish them first. Haven't touched it since 😅
neon tangle
I've got a 372 prot warrior, 383 BDK, leveling up a BrM
warm plinth
So now I have a DH, two monks (one ww and one mw), a DK, and a priest at 120. Currently leveling my war; he's at 116
neon tangle
Lets see where I end up by the end of the xpac
warm plinth
Yeah I'm so fucking casual this expansion. I haven't even done a heroic dungeon yet lol.
Think my DH is my highest; he's 353
sand egret
i want everyone right now to pray that my ber gets a 385 weapon from this damn cache
DO IT NOW
neon tangle
god bless bladesong
sand egret
i have a fucking 345 that ive had for the past 30 ilvls
sand egret
🙏
oblique garnet
No.
sand egret
ill consider that your aethist prayer, thank you 😃
warm plinth
oblique garnet
I feel like ever since the changes to necrotic bosses ramp it up more than before
warm plinth
You obviously just need to stack more crit. Parry or die.
sand egret
like bosses giving you high stacks?
which ones?
they did increase the "oomp" of each dot tick, which is especially bad this week with Tyrannical now affecting its damage
oblique garnet
galvazzt in temple annd lord waycrest feel the worst
warm plinth
Why are we still waiting to hear what you got from the cache?
sand egret
I can imagine the last part with both of them could give you high stacks
oblique garnet
actually ramping up to 25-30 stacks on bosses feels bad
neon tangle
@oblique garnet My stacks were getting p high on the mushroom dude in UR
primal crypt
split taunt
neon tangle
had to have my DH taunt
oblique garnet
havent done ur yet
primal crypt
at around 4 seconds
sand egret
🤔 I gotta pay a bit more attention, i haven't noticed it much myself
primal crypt
4-5 seconds
neon tangle
@primal crypt yeap, helps to have a DH or w/e so they can taunt and tank it for a few seconds
primal crypt
yeah
I like having at least one taunt in the group
because some tyrannical bosses it can get sketchy
grand idol
Is that good in mythic +?
crimson sentinel
Depends on the dungeon and other traits you have i guess
sand egret
prob not unless you preplan corpses imho
crimson sentinel
And what is moving close
sand egret
vers is nice but not worth it vs the other trait, and the issue is that, like vampiric speed, the healing happens after shit dies
crimson sentinel
Right on it or 10 yards
sand egret
so there's no damage coming anyway
warm plinth
Yeah it's really not anything spectacular. I don't think I would even consider the healing part since you can't really plan around that in most scenarios.
grand idol
too much to worry about, im going to take brace for impact
warm plinth
Gemhide
sand egret
both are strong, gem probably eeks it out in throughput
grand idol
ty
sand egret
and you can plan around it
go into a pack at ~5 seconds left
gotta love how the inner tier traits are like better than the middle haha
warm plinth
The azerite traits system just bums me out.
sand egret
i actually like it conceptually
warm plinth
Like...there are good azerite traits, but for the most part, none of them feel great like certain artifact traits did.
warm plinth
But imo that's why the artifact system was successful. Because you could get these badass traits that made you noticeably stronger.
sand egret
not to go down this road, but ironically this same convo was happening at the start of legion re: the traits
grass be greener
warm plinth
Like I actually wanted to grind AP because I could get these traits. I have no such inclination to do so for azerite traits.
Yeah I mean, I'm sure it did. I wasn't around for much of WoD because it bored me, so I'm not sure what I would have been comparing artifact traits to
sand egret
abilities
the narrative was "lawl you took our shit and gave it on a weapon! why not make it talents/baseline. y u gate me"
sound familiar?
warm plinth
Oh are you referring to the ability pruning they did at the start of Legion?
warm plinth
I think what was the best about that is that now we're getting all those old abilities back lol.
Well, a lot of them anyway
sand egret
certainly doesnt feel good
warm plinth
Blizzard's like here, have some new shiny abilities! And I'm like dude I had that for 6 expansions
warm plinth
Yeah, like my gf was pretty excited by some of the new hunter abilities. I'm like yeah, they actually had that before for a long time. They're just bringing it back lol.
sand egret
yeah but you can't ignore the fact that for her, who has never seen them, they are new
that is genuine excitement
warm plinth
Right. I am actually pretty curious what the numbers are like. Like new subs vs. legacy subs.
sand egret
honestly this game has bands
warm plinth
That's true too. Like people started at different eras
warm plinth
Yep, I agree
sand egret
but going back to azerite, it's a cool concept but it's like singing karaoke but having to go after Beyonce
you gonna look like shit
take that, add some questionable execution choices, and some severe undersight on certain things you get a system that can't even explain itself
vocal imp
where is the tanking dummy
lusty grotto
if horde go to the pvp area
thorn mango
@neon tangle what are u talking about "bail on it?" u mean that posting they said about having the neck itself just gain abilties in 8.2?
neon tangle
@thorn mango They said that starting in 8.2 your azerite traits would effectively by unlocked by default
and the neck would have more of a talent-tree style upgrade path
i.e. bailing on the current system of azerite progression and replacing it with legion weapons v2
thorn mango
wouldnt it still be azerite progression though? cause u needed AP for the weapons,depending on how they do the work around for the armor itself your still going to be grinding azerite
sand egret
or what if that literalyl was the intention all along
you increase its power....then unlock its actual potential
neon tangle
right, but at that point you might as well call it artifact power
sand egret
shocker, i know
and you still need level 33
just like you needed to unlock all your artifact traits for concordence
this has been planned since the jump
neon tangle
@sand egret I think they really just wanted to make something that wasn't just rehashing artifact weapons
sand egret
they still don't
other than "the neck will have its own shit on it" that's about it
it could be its own 4 page artifact tree for all we know
ap is just a meta progression tool to stage the life of the expansion
thorn mango
bladesong, if they go the "concordance" route,i dont think it will just be 33,granted 33 is what the current mythic ring last tier is for the armor,but in draz'alor that becomes 48,if anything i think they may use a magic number of 50. but im just throwing out shit really,we still will have no idea how they pull this off till spring next year
sand egret
we're just heading into phase 2 with 8.2
i doubt they will, i was making an example that the system isn't exactly new so it's not unheard of using similar systems as a base
i'm more concerned with how they set up expectation haha
thorn mango
that probbly will go under my comment"we will need to wait till next spring" lol,cause right now we only know their "idea" we have no idea how they will pull this off till mid next year,cause if they go the route of legion,8.2 should be next summer timeline wise
sand egret
well they're dev'ing it now so they don't know either haha
thorn mango
true lol
sand egret
but you bet their ass they're probably extra cautious
they're at the point in dev that the product has been live long enough were new content cycles start in post-production
significantly more reactionary
primal crypt
@potent anvil got pulled into my raid LUL
sand egret
i believe in ya Yam
warm plinth
@neon tangle It actually is called artifact power still. It was never changed.
scarlet vortex
anyone know a good video for pointers and paths to take as prot warr in m+?
abstract pelican
Just watch Sense
scarlet vortex
aight
stone imp
Most of the paths are the same. Heroic leap your way out of necrotic.
scarlet vortex
kk, thanks :p
stone imp
Prot warrior's pretty good in M+ right now. Menace is usually pretty good, but the shockwave CD reduction is better this week so you can stun and leap to drop stacks.
last loom
necrotic feels annoying if you dont have any good slows in the group
the mobs will catch up to you even if you kite
primal crypt
or tree amigos
last loom
ye trees are op af
primal crypt
necrotic doesn't exist with tree amigos
scarlet vortex
yea, only had issues in WC with necrotic where i couldn't slow some mobs
stone imp
Eat the honey food
scarlet vortex
honey food?
main vault
Honey Pot Pie
real thunder
Hello all, i've seen peoples streams that appear to have a weak aura for all affixes. it shows your necro stacks, how many stacks of bolstering your mobs has, etc but i cannot find it. i remember there was a legion affix weakaura but i dont know what the BFA one is called. Can anyone help?
main vault
Its the same
scarlet vortex
holy shit, didn't even know that existed, thanks man!
real thunder
ty sir
main vault
yw
old parcel
oh wow, I was just earlier thanking about this and came in and saw it linked. Thank you guys for the link 😃
lusty grotto
i wouldn't use that over str food
stone imp
This week I would
stone imp
Nothing to do with being new, just with optimizing against necrotic
stone imp
Correct
lusty grotto
not worth the STR boost
bring a mage if you're having problems with it
a monk, a boomkin, a paladin
if it was 50% slow maybe
not 5 more than tclap
lusty grotto
lol yamo
primal crypt
or 90%
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
lusty grotto
100 str or 75 haste/str is just too good to pass up
for that amount of slow increase
stone imp
I'm sure.
sick sentinel
hi guys, i know i bug you alot but i am curious if anyone knows of a really clean party frames i can use. something where it's just nice big health/mana bars and a name would be perfect
lusty grotto
dunno, i use elvui
lavish oracle
Does that food slow stack with thunderclap?
lavish oracle
Well, then I hope I never get that trinket
sick sentinel
i pulled when the healer was dead because my UI didn't allow me to see it easily at a glance 😦
green shore
is Ravager any good in M+?
lusty grotto
rofl
sick sentinel
anger managment is better is the best answer i can give to that
spend rage to reduce 4 of your most important abilities CD
lusty grotto
the meme build is real!
sick sentinel
ravager, while on a short CD and giving a decent parry boost and some ranged dmg is far too short lived and can't possibly compete with AM
supple path
Ravager really only shines in fights that uh...last less than 40 seconds.
and by fights I mean "entire combat encounter"
lusty grotto
ravager is never good
supple path
you have to literally get no use out of AM for it to be useful.
there may be some niche bs like mage tower
sick sentinel
it looks pretty
lusty grotto
ravager wasnt good in mage tower
supple path
Yeah I meant niche bs in a similar way to mage tower was, but...I doubt it's likely to happen.
sick sentinel
i mean, in what scenario would the extra parry ever be useful anyway?
supple path
If a boss has a punishing debuff mechanic that can be entirely negated by parry, ala the damage debuff/knockback in KR
supple path
I really wish it was actually competitive in literally any cases right now but yeah, nope. Anger Management is just too insanely good atm.
sick sentinel
damage debuff/knockback in KR?
i just got done that place. then again i've always hated it too
supple path
The boss in the council in king's rest does a knockback that triples your damage taken for 10 seconds. You kite it normally (or blow CDs if your heart sings). But if you parry it, the debuff just doesn't apply.
lusty grotto
you can also outrange it
sick sentinel
really, that's interesting, i'll have to read up on it more
lusty grotto
so parry isn't necessary
supple path
Yeah, was more just an example of how a parry cooldown* could be useful.
If they made a mechanic like that in a raid that was more punishing/etc.
sick sentinel
going to buy that warforged nightmare while it is 50% off, been wanting it for a while
lusty grotto
?
lusty grotto
yikes buying mounts for rl money
sick sentinel
i already got the soul of the aspects too!
lusty grotto
im saving for AH mount
outer dew
That's a lot of gold
lusty grotto
im halfway 😛
outer dew
Lmao
sick sentinel
I know i ask you guys alot of questions, I just want to better my self is all and be the very best like no-one ever was.
lusty grotto
asking questions is welcome
just not questions that are in the pins 😛
then we just spam the pins emoji
your questions are more than welcome though
there's no need to be apologetic about them hehe
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto pretty sure you cant outrange the backhand just parry
oblique garnet
Tru tru
Gonna get to push some keys tmrw
FeelsGoodman after a week of just not having any luck
outer dew
Last week wasnt too bad
oblique garnet
Yeah we just were never online at the same time besides raid
drowsy relic
lusty grotto
i did outrange it last time we were there
oblique garnet
You most likely parried
lusty grotto
my bro told me we could and so we did
well i have the logs, we could check
let me up them
oblique garnet
Idk the boss seems to but out sometimes aswell like after you have killed the one who slaps you silly when he comes back to do the charge it sometimes also does the backhand leaving you with the damage taken debuff which kills you
lusty grotto
shattered defenses right?
that's the debuff the backhand does on you
i got hit by the first one
then i tried outranging and
lets see
hmm i could have sworn he did it more than once
i might have tried to outrange when he was about to die
let me check if i streamed
frozen horizon
hows prot looing these day? thinking about resubbing but im wondering if they are still bottom 2 Tank in Mythic +
lusty grotto
do you run 15+?
frozen horizon
nah I would probably be pretty klow at first
quiet crane
But it’s 100% doable
lusty grotto
if you don't run 15s then what does it matter if we are what in the R.io rankings?
also
we have a consistent pack of warriors here running 15+ easily
quiet crane
^^
frozen horizon
Yeah I feel you
lusty grotto
and we could always do very well, its the players, no the class
bad players do bad, good players do good
quiet crane
The community is full of people who watch a fucking method vid then be like ok I’ll avoid these classes/specs like the plague
lusty grotto
granted, to answer your question the playstyle is more like Legion's now with IP off-gcd
quiet crane
^ as nim said it’s the player
Always has
People just considered them “shit” because unlike say a brew or a BDK you actually had to use your toolkit properly
lusty grotto
we are the highest dps tank in the game on M+
quiet crane
^ there’s that niche to
lusty grotto
(we were too pre 8.1)
quiet crane
Yup
I would argue the only shit thing about warrs pre 8.1 was IP on the GCD.. really conflicting with the toolkit
But that’s more of a personal thing not a gameplay makes em bad thing
lusty grotto
yeah we did fine with it on the GCD, so it's not a huge revert as people make it out to be
however, it does allow more dps to flow through
quiet crane
As I said I never meant to say it made us crap just as a personal thing it made it for me crap
I disliked it very much
I was happy when it was taken off
quiet crane
I never did personally I hated it with every inch of my fingers lol
lusty grotto
which obviously took me like 2 mins lol
quiet crane
Lol it’s nothing like legion IP
lusty grotto
right it's not 90%
lusty grotto
im glad it's not 90%
frozen horizon
yeah for a while it was used more than shield block
lusty grotto
and it shouldn't have been anyway
lusty grotto
SB was super important, bad players just didn't realize it
quiet crane
Felt complete unkillable period
lusty grotto
KJ for example
lusty grotto
you knew a prot warrior was bad when he couldn't deal with felclaws
and instantly knew he was an IP spammer
outer dew
Although conceptually not sure what IP looked like
quiet crane
I never I stood how people couldn’t get the hang as SB-IP as the filler and dumped of rage
It was at one point broken
Tofu
But after that it was still strong... but usually with the way tuning was it would cop maybe
I’d say 1 raid boss hit and be depleted
lusty grotto
early legion it was broken
quiet crane
It’s like people got so used to EN prot ware
lusty grotto
pre-EN
quiet crane
That they never stopped spamming IP only
lusty grotto
iirc it was due to rage spent on it
quiet crane
Idk... I know everyone’s different but.. crikey I can’t fathom how people couldn’t understand SB-IP
They should be able to understand it from a tooltip
warm plinth
The one person I was teaching warrior to was the exact opposite. They'd sit at capped rage all the time while tanking a dungeon and I'd be like USE YOUR RAGE ;alksdjf;akjewpipquweh
supple path
I think losing warbringer increased my damage taken in m+ by 30% or so by itself
quiet crane
First thing I did when I ever played
Was looked an understood hit eating crit rating parry blah blah
Rating
Then went and asked my questions off all that
Crikey
Worst I came across was a brewmaster monk I helped
warm plinth
When I first started, there weren't really any good resources. So trade chat in-game had to answer my 18 million questions.
quiet crane
He thought he didn’t have to use ISB cause he already staggers ).)
That’s where I went lol
Back when tanks had to have a ratio just not to be crit
warm plinth
But back then, the community was a lot stronger and they were more than willing to help a newbie like myself. This was back a few months before BC released.
quiet crane
Rating
warm plinth
Yeah, defense rating. I remember that shit.
lusty grotto
when you first started?
warm plinth
The goal was to be uncrushable
quiet crane
Couldn’t even have 100% taint at one point
warm plinth
EJ existed but it was too much information for a newbie. It wasn't exactly aimed at someone brand new.
lusty grotto
just remember Ion came out of EJ lol
quiet crane
I would somewhat agree is wasn’t entirely user friendly
warm plinth
I actually never knew thottbot had WoW shit until after wowhead was a thing. I used thottbot for EQOA though.
potent anvil
@primal crypt you were in that raid?
quiet crane
I was a young idiot then so I just annoyed a lot of people
Got my questions from them
Didn’t even look at those till much later
astral crystal
fookin finally 8/8
astral crystal
lol
i just realized puerto ricans pretty much infest this place
but we dont interact with any
quiet crane
No :((( my discord went whack again
quiet crane
I’m seeing nimchips text all over the screen
lusty grotto
HI
oblique garnet
Hi
lusty grotto
THIS IS PORN
quiet crane
Ffs BUG
lusty grotto
xD
quiet crane
I hate autocorrect with a damn passion
neon tangle
@warm plinth when I started I randomly got taken under the wing of a top-100 world Druid tank and healer combo
lusty grotto
just close the app
neon tangle
I was leveling and met their alts
neon tangle
BC
neon tangle
It was a super sweet husband and wife
quiet crane
Can’t wait for classic so I can play my pro warrior again with ugly mismatching armour
neon tangle
She tanked, he heaped
quiet crane
And no choice in mog
neon tangle
Healed
quiet crane
That’s awesome
oblique garnet
Idk about classic
neon tangle
My spec was all fucked up, points in each tree
quiet crane
Hahahaha
Yeah I remember the first days I was like ohhh this looks good Imma take that
Then went ohh this one to
Turns out when I referenced it later it was sooooo bad haha
I wouldn’t ever get back into it full on but.. just for a bit for the nostalgia doubt I’m ever gunna get that community again
If I did cya modern wow
neon tangle
I would be taking too much damage so I thought “better get some resto stuff”
oblique garnet
Theres so many qol changes i would miss i just cant see myself playing it
sturdy sable
hows briney banacle?
quiet crane
The game itself yeah I agree
neon tangle
They assorted me out though and I ended up in a top-100-world guild myself by the end of the xpac
neon tangle
I do miss the community
quiet crane
Still seeing nimchip everywhere ).) Gunna have nightmares
neon tangle
Running BRD forever
quiet crane
I liked the trolls in zul grub
neon tangle
Honestly in a lot of ways I think QoL changes kinda kill community
They tend to be built out of friction points
quiet crane
From what I can see.. honestly seems to be more elitism
lapis wraith
eyy I felt good about tanking heroic on a 366. felt good.
quiet crane
And people don’t seem to from my point really enjoy wow anymore... they get their weekly reset done with the most top feared experiences of players and pugs etc instantly... and go ham on anyone who’s slightly behind
They don’t talk to anyone they scream at people and just idk
oblique garnet
The elitism and prejudice is real even on weekly +10s
They all want a bdk for the sake of bdk
quiet crane
Nim you scare me bro
My disc is bugged and I see nothing but you in any channel
Lmao
lusty grotto
close the app
quiet crane
Tried
lusty grotto
open it back again
quiet crane
Hasn’t fixed it
lusty grotto
are you on android or iphone?
quiet crane
iPhone
lusty grotto
oh shrug lol
oblique garnet
Works fine on mine
lusty grotto
no idea how to close apps on iphone
quiet crane
Lmao
lusty grotto
im the real nimchip, i use android 😉
oblique garnet
Youre the fake nimchip
lusty grotto
nexus and pixels for life
neon tangle
@oblique garnet I guess to be fair I had an easier time getting groups on a BC Druid tank than on 8.0 warrior
lusty grotto
i gotta say though, i love my mac for programming though
neon tangle
When BC Druid tank was definitely worse
lusty grotto
that's because BC bears were broken in heroics
neon tangle
Like WAY worse
neon tangle
@lusty grotto sorry meant raid groups
lusty grotto
hmm
oblique garnet
I got to high enough io to get invited to even some push groups pre 8.1 and they all went ”oh this is surprisingly easy to heal and WTF is that damage”
neat harbor
kind gentlesirs
lusty grotto
poor bears, went from #1 tank to bottom
lusty grotto
mangle yikes
neat harbor
I heard this rumor that warrior tanks were somewhat relevant again, confirm/deny?
neon tangle
Where you weren’t gonna get 1 shot with a crushing blow
lusty grotto
we've always been relevant
neat harbor
sure
lusty grotto
uh huh
quiet crane
Oh my another one
neat harbor
brass tacks tho.
lusty grotto
i remember
astral crystal
damn 1/4th of my casts on m ghuun were thunderclaps
neat harbor
whats it like
quiet crane
Doooo the boooottyyyy clap
outer dew
Smh
lusty grotto
shut up nimchip
outer dew
👢 🍵 👏
lusty grotto
wait is it fixed yet
outer dew
What is?
quiet crane
Sorry master tofu
lusty grotto
everyone is nimchip
quiet crane
I won’t mess up again
neat harbor
whats prot like now after patch?
quiet crane
Good now was good before
oblique garnet
Best
lusty grotto
viable
quiet crane
Method #1 approved that what you wanna hear more
lusty grotto
im glad you like memes
neat harbor
Jay Im not one to be trifled with, enough of your shenanigans
oblique garnet
We are top tier in raids
neat harbor
nice
quiet crane
Ouch
outer dew
But tbf
lusty grotto
o
oblique garnet
3 raging earth lances changes a man
outer dew
Yeap
neat harbor
How do we stand damage wise now, were the nerfs all the bad?
outer dew
High keys with raging + magic damage
neat harbor
the demo shout one
outer dew
Probably dc
oblique garnet
We do more with BoM
neat harbor
yeah
outer dew
Yea
oblique garnet
This week you need the right setup for m+
neat harbor
and lastly I guess hows the new traits, is the meta more favorable or just the same?
outer dew
But I can't get BoM at 385
outer dew
For most people who ask. It doesn't matter
oblique garnet
True
quiet crane
^
outer dew
Trying 17/18 pre 8.1
neat harbor
you could say that about most things probably lol
neat harbor
just assume we are all in the top .01% of all warrior tanks worldwide 😄
I had fun warrior tanking, enjoyed the damage.
lusty grotto
if someone is asking about a particular scenario, i'd look at it as if they aren't a WF player
neat harbor
I mean it was just being punished for fat fingering mitigation then having none when it was needed
outer dew
I mean, BRM use to be the same
oblique garnet
I found its easier to just micromanage my group than to let them think themselves the runs have gone smoother after that
neat harbor
which is an interesting dynamic but debatably not present with other tanks
outer dew
I remember EN BRM
sturdy sable
youll get punished if you fat finger demon spikes
outer dew
Was the most hated tank and I was getting my shit shoved in for dumping too much into purify
neat harbor
well yeah but werent DH shit tier for raiding?
outer dew
Or purifying too early
neat harbor
tank wise I mean
oblique garnet
Tofu you should start controlling your m+ group and you can get dungeons done easier
sturdy sable
i mean
sturdy sable
im progging ghuun on a veng just fine
outer dew
I force discord and rule with an iron fist
lusty grotto
i haven't healed a VDH that didn't get hit like paper mache
on my hpal
0 VDHs
have been easy to heal
warm plinth
The only AM that would really punish you for fat-fingering now is Demon Spikes. The rest are either a short enough CD to have high uptime naturally (Druids, Warriors, Monks, DKs), or you have ways to reduce the CD (Paladins).
high effective uptime, that is
lusty grotto
and now that applies to BDKs in raids
sturdy sable
^
neat harbor
@outer dew Interestingly enough Peak of Serenity did this crazy article on this one monk who was playing his class absolutely the wrong way, letting ISB fall off all the time to where it had no uptime and just purifying the thrash, and his healing taken was virtually identical
neat harbor
to the point where they were saying you could essentially just bash your head against the keyboard and still live as a BrM
although, the patch apparently altered ISB in some way to adjust that iirc
warm plinth
Well, BrM has a pretty small margin of difference between bad BrMs and good ones honestly.
lapis wraith
they did a 3% flat stagger nerf.
warm plinth
You get less base stagger and more ISB stagger since the patch. It's a net nerf but it puts more emphasis on having ISB up.
quiet crane
Yeah at one point that was the case
lusty grotto
are we talking NOW or EN-tier?
quiet crane
But try doing that now
warm plinth
Now
neat harbor
@warm plinth right
quiet crane
You’el notice the difference
oblique garnet
I think i might gear up my monk so i can start raiding absolutely wasted and it makes no difference
lusty grotto
i thought we were talking about EN BrMs
quiet crane
But yes I did agree with you
neat harbor
@lusty grotto It was about a month ago or so I think? https://www.peakofserenity.com/2018/10/09/the-fetid-log/
or a couple months rather
interesting read.
oblique garnet
It was quite popular here
neat harbor
the nerf to base stagger is a step in the right direction, but something tells me that 3% doesnt change the nature of the beast very much
lapis wraith
it does affect it more than you'd expect.
neat harbor
I mean, good monks never had an issue with ISB being up in any case, for the most part
lapis wraith
like it doesn't seem like a lot but your healers can feel it.
neat harbor
like one guy said above only if you get too greedy with purify
warm plinth
Well it's 3% net nerf if you're playing properly. It's a lot more if you're not keeping ISB up.
neat harbor
but if yorue sitting on a black ox tea, youre always confident with having enough charges
warm plinth
The difference between ISB and no ISB is a lot bigger now, so you HAVE to have ISB up if you're taking damage or you're going to get trucked.
lapis wraith
ye
neat harbor
havent played in a month I kind of want to dust off prot and try to tank some keys
lapis wraith
and you run light brewing with really small CDs on brew charges with reduction in rotation. even not primary tanking the boss, you can upkeep ISB 95+%
warm plinth
Not that it's hard to play properly, but it will definitely highlight those that are just dumb as a brick.
warm plinth
I actually got like a 92% heroic Tich parse back in NH my first time ever playing BrM 😂
neat harbor
yeah parsing on BrM is just using BoS on cooldown tbh
lapis wraith
almost.
neat harbor
since it refreshes so quickly
lapis wraith
you want to KS and TP a lot to upkeep brewz
neat harbor
and the trinkets matter too obviously
lapis wraith
wut? they do?
sturdy sable
youll want to KS on cd to actually parse as well
neat harbor
wasnt there one BiS one for BrM folks were using?
lapis wraith
fathoms
lapis wraith
i'm running like. fathoms + 360 spyglass.
warm plinth
Oh, for some reason I was thinking azerite traits instead of trinkets, I was about to be like no, brew traits blow offensively lol.
neat harbor
but yeah I could have 90-95% ISB uptime even using purify semi aggressively
I just never enjoyed monk tanking.
idk what it was
lapis wraith
yeah you run like. one offensive one, 1 RA, 1 of the new one, straight no chaser.
for now.
And your dps goes up
neat harbor
did heroic uldir and a few keys on BrM and got very bored with it
I mean you press a lot of buttons.
warm plinth
Yeah BrM has a very boring rotation
lapis wraith
it's like being a sponge without anything fun to do.
neat harbor
You have a lot of buttons to press. but its like, they make such a small impact
warm plinth
It was actually worse in Legion before they fixed the CD on BoS
neat harbor
that you feel like you can do w/e the fuck you want and still not suffer that much
lapis wraith
you only press them to press ISB and PB
neat harbor
yeah exactly
warm plinth
Because it was literally a set rotation. You did everything in the same order every tiem
time*
neat harbor
haha
warm plinth
XD
neat harbor
yep sounds about right
warm plinth
I believe that
lapis wraith
like what am i gonna do? miss a mechanic?
warm plinth
Come back, tap ISB, maybe Purify, go take a piss
lapis wraith
mother lasers dont even one shot me
neat harbor
*bind all keys to purify/ISB macro
warm plinth
Or, just set up a turbo button and set a paperweight on the key lol
lapis wraith
it got so boring i stopped leveling my neck
neat harbor
yeah I just got bored with game tbh .
both monk and warrio at 385 ish
played a couple hours did the new quest or w/e yesterday bored again
lapis wraith
i really like warrior. it's a lot of fun. i'm gonna keep it up to date with my monk and probably the other 3 tanks i play.
neat harbor
prob will just wait till next tier
lapis wraith
i don't know how i did tonight but i didn't need a brez so.
that's good.
first time tanking on a warrior since HFC
neat harbor
yeah warrior just looks awesome tbh
I like the animations
and the gear
you have so many mog options
lapis wraith
i just like the impact of the buttons
neat harbor
to look like a fucking badass
lapis wraith
they mean something
wish wowanalyzer was set up for prot war. would be nice to check my stuff
neat harbor
I kinda miss when we could be the spec where spamming more devastates would net you procs
felt like a way to gain an edge over other warrs
now its just baked into auto attack dmg
neat harbor
lets see
signal plover
Devastator maybe?
open bluff
Devastator was a Legion thing
neat harbor
devastator yeah
lusty grotto
why are you using devastator
open bluff
BV too strong now
signal plover
^
neat harbor
oh nice
open bluff
Also hi paw
neat harbor
maybe that will be fun then
lusty grotto
wtf
signal plover
Harro
neat harbor
shows how long its been since I tanked lol
lusty grotto
i mean devastator wasn't good since BFA started
neat harbor
er, wait
no thats not what Im talking about
I never took it over BM
BV*
there was a playstyle in I wanna say MoP?
lusty grotto
but why
open bluff
It still does
lusty grotto
that hasn't changed
neat harbor
it was somehow more involved with the rotation I forget the details
open bluff
It just feels like shit to press
signal plover
It's just a pretty lackluster filler
neat harbor
hmm seems too far back
now Im curious
as to whether it was as good as I remember or Im just hallucinating
the latter is quite possible
like it was an ability you felt more compelled to use somehow
in any case thanks to you gents for the updates 👍
much appreciated
last loom
whats normal IP uptime for a duengon?
i just played with a disc priest and i had to spam ip infinitely i got zero healing
was so shit
neat harbor
@lusty grotto Ahh ok, so here it is
devastate still actually applied sunder armor in MoP
lol
lusty grotto
yup
neat harbor
so you would just use it like a refresher more or less
so it was more relevant than now I guess
but then again who actually misses sunder armor 😄
neat harbor
true 😃
rip shattering throw.
with emphasis
pretty sure it was my favorite spell in the game
useful in both pve and pvp, great utility that actually encouraged stacking warriors if possible a la war banner.
removed some shit that could otherwise not be dispelled
what more could you want in a spell
sturdy sable
no cast time
neat harbor
it had one at one point
sturdy sable
yep
neat harbor
it initially didnt right?
sturdy sable
yea
lusty grotto
shattering always had cast time
sturdy sable
yeah ill agree with that
neat harbor
right
killing pallies with it never lost its replay value.
also mages in iceblock.
legit feel sorry for all these warriors who never got to play with shattering
neat harbor
it really was.
the degree to which it made you desirable for raiding in those days was something special also
unless your raid had very little melee
but even the casters would benefit from war banner
I had guilds begging me to join them when I apped for heroic SoO
or what would today be mythic SoO
good times 👴
lusty grotto
it was always mythic SoO
neat harbor
negative
lusty grotto
that was the first time mythic made its appearance
lusty grotto
that's because it was flex -> normal -> heroic
neat harbor
yep]
lusty grotto
which is normal -> heroic -> mythic
neat harbor
lfr norm heroic
last loom
ey
lusty grotto
different names, same shit
neat harbor
or difficulty wise