Nah jk
#protection
plain ice
chilly brook
Just explain to him that you get more defensive value from the haste from ITF
warm plinth
I'm confused; what the fuck does Indom have to do with Shield Slam? 🤔
ionic oyster
Is it just demo shout then spam thunder clap?
lusty grotto
what is?
you mean for dps?
avatar while charging -> tclap -> demo -> tclap then rinse and repeat with SS or Revenge baked in between tclaps. Don't forget your off-the-gcd SB and IPs of course
don't revenge without procs too much though
sick sentinel
do the small guys in temple of seth do necrotic in the orb room?
sand egret
i believe so yes
a 50% slow is extremely helpful in there. shoutout to Fury being very good in that room
young marlin
is Dragonsroar worth it on Necrotic weeks/Raging weeks when we need more kiting capabilities? Lowers the AoE of Avatar but might make up with kiting needs
shut summit
Not really
Necrotic is a group affix, not just the tank
Make them help with snares/stuns/w.e they have
young marlin
Hmmmm, makes sense. I just hate having to rely on others because even at a 1k+ IO... People still fail to do interupts, snares, stuns, etc so I have been used to overcompensating. It appears Prot talents just dont change much
ember crest
anyone have links to some of the top prot tanks streams? not sure if sense, boost, etc stream at all
young marlin
^ This would be very helpful
ember crest
running into issues in 16+ as prot want to watch some people
young marlin
Are you doing those 16+ this week?
Necrotic hurts prot the most so it will hinder you though it is able to be overcome
ember crest
ty
young marlin
Do boss summoned mobs not give necrotic? I.E. First boss in TD
sand egret
yes but those were just changed to not auto-attack. I believe they don't apply necrotic, but I haven't run it since the change so i'm not 100%
err they do*
ember crest
@shut summit i want that No Food weak aura, amazing
young marlin
Has anyone been able to test if Auto-Self-Cauterizer Azerite Engineering trait removes Necrotic as it is a bleed?
manic perch
i tanked with that 385 last night, dont think it removes it, will log and confirm
i know my dark iron dwarf drops it
stone crag
would like the logs just for DiD confirmation
sand egret
that it drops necro?
it 100% does
so much fun going through a full avatar, drop that shit and keep on chugging
ocean acorn
jes' howler 375 or 385 syringe for m+
sick sentinel
what is you other trinket?
ocean acorn
390 butchers3
sick sentinel
I would go syringe
especially for necrotic
after necrotic is gone you can make the arguement for a jes but yeah
drowsy relic
@shut summit if im running a hpally would you recommend running a ww for ROP this week instead of a DH with my druid and rogue?
eager phoenix
Shouldn't druid be enough to handle some pulls with necrotic (assuming balance)? Then just kite the other times it feels necessary.
tacit smelt
Having an ele shammy is nice this week too
Can't let all the druids and monks take the spot light
tranquil sand
wait that was silly wasnt it syringe is a deeps one
chilly brook
Why is my rep on my monk for Champions still only friendly when it's Revered on my warrior?
@tranquil sand ilvl is king anyways and syringe isn't bad for tanking
chilly brook
still go with the two highest ilvl
tranquil sand
ok thanks a lot
chilly brook
If your Jes' was 365 or 370 you might have an argument for it
Crit can be very powerful in M+ as it's basically on demand parry chance
For that Doom's Fury trinket
tranquil sand
oki
civic gulch
Your rep isn't account wide however you can turn in all the quests to magni even with no champion rep
nova gale
what's your shield block uptime on a well optimized and geared character? Think it will come closer to 100% uptime with more haste later in expac?
I feel like im running out of SB charges real quick and it's fucking with me coming from a braindead BrM main
warm plinth
Well, 100% effective uptime is all that matters.
As long as you have it up while tanking, you're fine. We'll never have 100% uptime with possible haste levels.
sick sentinel
How many times do you need block up for more than a minute straight anyway
Without the boss casting or something
You can sbx3, then LS then sbx3 again, then SW and sb twice
snow osprey
hey guys.... sorry if that is a 54353 question of this kind, but I dont see anything new in the pins.
demo shout now has 15s cooldown?! o_O this morning I logged in and noticed I can spam it like a retard
sick sentinel
@snow osprey honor talent
nova gale
That makes a lot of sense kage
sick sentinel
@nova gale in a world where the boss casts occasionally in dungeons and tank swaps exist, you're effective SB uptime should be near 100%
nova gale
Aight
snow osprey
@sick sentinel I just rarely play in warmode, and never played prot in warmode before
appreciate your help)
nova gale
I'm gonna go into Mythic Uldir Re-clear today with my 357 warrior lul. Gonna need to practice some
sick sentinel
You will also notice that the more you know the fights, the more effective shield uptime you will notice to be getting
nova gale
Any tips on certain bosses?
sick sentinel
Pre-last stand the zek combo
livid tendon
how much are you reclearing
nova gale
I think I'll just do first 5 on warrior then go back to monk
snow osprey
I'd recommend looking at boss timings of dbm / bigwigs. often when you see certain mechanic coming up (i.e. darkness from zekvoz, stomp / cone from fetid) you will likely not waste SB
nova gale
Yeah I mean that's similar to BrM
Ironskin brew and SB is quite similar just that SB is actually impactful and punishing if you fuck up lol
On fetid I go heavy repercussoin right?
sick sentinel
AM on everything
nova gale
Really?
nova gale
Huh. I thought heavy repercussion would be good to be able to use one SB for 2 thrashes
sick sentinel
Unless you fuck up and waste a cd when boss is casting
You will have something for every thrash
snow osprey
prot warrior doesn't really have much options in terms of talents :(
the only choice you're probably going to make is between mobility (smaller CD on leap) vs larger radius on thunderclap
sick sentinel
What class is your co-tank
nova gale
Monk
livid tendon
safeguard PogU
sick sentinel
Oh ok
sick sentinel
Monk+monk is bis for progress because of little room for mistakes
livid tendon
psure you dont need to run 2x brm next tier
sick sentinel
Even though, warrs should be pretty good in SoD
Again you can sb thrice then ls and sb another 3 times
Sw if nothing is up, even though I would save it for sub 50%
Don't be afraid to call for externals
If your array is haste (as it should) Last Stand's CD should be around a minute
sick sentinel
Rip
livid tendon
weirdchamp
sick sentinel
On vectis you can get a vector
livid tendon
blame healers when you die Pogu
oblique garnet
yes
oblique garnet
youre pretty undergeared for mythic tho so youre gonna feel it on bosses
oblique garnet
Just remember to use spell reflect on the 2nd voidlash of zekvoz
nova gale
We swap after shatter
oblique garnet
why?
nova gale
Why not?
oblique garnet
Idk ive never done that always full combo
livid tendon
prob cus theyre double brm
nova gale
It's just way safer to swap after shatter even though anyone can take the full combo
torn sun
Don't know if I would call that safer
Since then you have to be healed 50% more unnecessarily
oblique garnet
if you have demoshout + last stand ip up on the combo you shouldnt drop below 70%
nova gale
You dont need healing first couple of seconds
oblique garnet
Without externals
nova gale
atleast as a monk
torn sun
Well monk ..
torn sun
I have last stand for every single combo I take
nova gale
Well as a tank you can just spell reflect all void lashes if you swap on shatter I guess
Warrior tank*
torn sun
Can you spell reflect the debuff? Maybe I did not notice, but I thought I always get it
livid tendon
n
torn sun
Yeah
oblique garnet
you cant reflect it just reduce the damage it does
nova gale
I don't know I have never tried it 😃
sick sentinel
20% magic damage reduction is nothing to laugh at
snow osprey
I haven't been checking twitch lately... is prot hype still on? or people realized nothing changed and went back to bdk?
nova gale
BrM still beast imo
tight tree
BrM = nothing really changed
mighty gulch
The problem with brewmaster atm is that the space between good and bad players is so small
oblique garnet
Warriors can work this week with the right team comp
nova gale
ya
mighty gulch
A good bremaster will only take14% less damage than a bad brewmaster
oblique garnet
If you get a boomkin you get 100% out of the warrior utility a.k.a insane dps
mighty gulch
Thats the issue with brm
mighty gulch
Where as warrior if you fuckup shield block, pain, reflect, bolster block uptime youre going to take so much more damage
nova gale
I just feel like rerolling warrior might be stressful to me
Atleast I'm not raid leading anymore so playing something that isnt braindead might be fun
mighty gulch
I raidlead as prot
nova gale
Maybe prot is fine to play if you are used to it. I just feel like it's a lot to do. But then again I only played it for like 5 hours
xD
mighty gulch
Ive played it since September
livid tendon
wouldnt a good brewmaster take more dmg because they want to perma red stagger for haste monkaHmm
mighty gulch
So i never had to adjust from legion to bfa
nova gale
I just dont use ISB so my healers can pad healing on me
And I love with warrior that you actually have offensive cooldowns
old zephyr
You don't though, You just have SUPER AMAZING defensive ones
vocal nimbus
Avatar looks pretty offensive
old zephyr
Avatar gives rage
Rage reduce Damage take (or increase healing, whatver)
Avatar is therefor a defensive CD
Also avatar kills stuff
Dead stuff don't do damage
livid tendon
👉🏿 🚪
old zephyr
If you run Bastion Of miht it is even more a Defensive CD
oblique garnet
Avatar reduces TC cd thunderclappage has chance to reset SS ss gives rage which in turn gives you defensives therefore avatar = defensive cd
old zephyr
Devastate would do the same.
But TC give 5 rage while Devastate don't
oblique garnet
And thunderclap actully does damage
old zephyr
With IP off the GCD this is even truer
I have the LFDraenei bomb as an offensive CD though
Wich I am not sure benefit from Avatar/Booming voice damage buff, but is crazy damage anyway
It is also amazing in raid to secure aggro when monkas deeps pull first
onyx vessel
Funny i was lvling as a monk in dungeons with my friend who was shit 10 lvls under me
He kept ripping
old zephyr
Prot need a bunch of stats, and practice to be good, so that's not surprising
onyx vessel
Monk tank not prot
onyx vessel
Ive found that being high lvl and stuck with a friend whos underlvled you tend to have threat issues
Ye
And getting fucked in the ass
old zephyr
I never had threat issues (aside Mother buggy aggro)
onyx vessel
He was twinking
oblique garnet
The scaling is fucked on low levels
manic perch
so to all the smart guys here, what traits do you recommend of the engineering head ?
wide girder
Knot 385 or mchimba 370 for m+?
old zephyr
Dépends on affixes and other gear you have
grand trellis
lingering sporepods any good?
subtle shard
do we want haste all the way?
short temple
Do haste have a sweet spot for prot warriors or is just stack it to the skies and beyond?
old zephyr
Stacking it is good
I do (personnal preference) think there is a point where you'll want to stop stacking and get Versa or matsery but I have no Idea when
broken roost
Samstel - I loved the synaptic spark capacitor
old zephyr
I love the haste.
Combine it whith haste enchant and rezan's eye for personals BL on procs
final mist
Haste never really loses value because of the way our abilities scale with it.
Well, it'll "lose value" once you hit a point where the GCD won't be reduced more, or SB's CD is really low, but that's actually impossible to hit anyways, so no point worrying about it.
weary nacelle
What do you guys think about Warrior and DH tanks doing Mythic Fetid. Which tank do you think suits better for main and which for off tanking.
I did that yesterday tanking as a main tank, but our DH had some troubles. Eventually he got used to it, but that made me thinking what if the warrior is better for off tanking in this particular fight. What do you think?
ionic fern
DH has too big gaps inbetween DS to be effectively tanking as the main tank imo.
But will probably work if he uses Void Reaver & FDT
weary nacelle
so you're saying the DH should continue taking the 'trash' hits. Do they have the cooldowns to properly manage every hit in time?
And i wonder how effective shield block will be for these hits. Would that be enough to mitigate it. Or maybe SB + IP both to soak the hits if you're off tanking as a warrior.
old zephyr
have the DH spec into feed the demon and only spam sheer to oftank
use CD when spikes are down
ionic fern
Did he use Soul Barrier also?
old zephyr
and you just maintank it
between Soul barier, meta, flaming brand and Feed the demon, he should be able to handle every single trash no problem
Do not hesitate to Cast the Soul barrier RIGHT AFTER a trash to burst heal and feed it more sools while the other trash is comming
Wait a minute, this is Not DH discord 😃
ionic fern
After trash? 🤔
old zephyr
yes
Soul barrier last long enough and increase in ammount the more souls you feed it
But You can only feed it 5 at start
ionic fern
Yeah, but you have enough time to build 5 souls up between thrashes
So you might as well SPB instead after thrash and build another 5 for new thrash.
😒
sick sentinel
I tanked fetid before the buffs taking thrashes to the face without sb up
old zephyr
so Mitigate a trash with spike/whatever, then imediately use soul barrier.
generate souls, consume again before trash fo big shield
and bo back to spamming sheer and autoconsuming
sick sentinel
Tbh warr is fine for both main and off tanking it
old zephyr
but DH is good offtank and suck as maintank 😃
rocky light
how good is [Servant Splitter] for tanking? Lose stats but gett more damage?
sick sentinel
If you can handle cds for thrashes dh should be fine
But rn veng doesn't seem to be in a great spot for raiding
sick sentinel
At least warr have fuckton of armor when sb is not up
old zephyr
Yeah but that alone won't save you from trash
sick sentinel
It will
sick sentinel
I wad taking it without cds and sb before buffs
old zephyr
Armor it for 250K it's stimm more than your HPs
sick sentinel
It hits hard but it's doable
old zephyr
was it MM?
old zephyr
yeah full IP could be enough depending on gear
but that's not very nice on the healers
quiet relic
Got mythrax last night! Woot!
old zephyr
anyway Prot is Strong against unnending flow of attack (Maintank) whereas DH is stong against bursts (so offtnk)
should the DH be bad, then Prot is better as offtanking
sick sentinel
I aimed to time it when I had 0 charges on sb and took face hits with demo an ip
old zephyr
But at the same skill level, DH is better OT
sick sentinel
Not really
Blocking is the strongest mitigation if it's blockable
Except stagger
old zephyr
DH definitely suck at MTing that though
sick sentinel
On top of our armor
Yea
That's my main grip of veng
It's paper without spikes or meta
old zephyr
Why i say that prot would rather want to MT it than OT it is because as you said Block is so awesome.
even if thrashes are high burst, the is overall more MT damages, and that's where prot is awesome
You can OT well
but you will help your healers more if you MT
old zephyr
assuming equivalent skills
I don't see a tank Id rather let MT that
sick sentinel
I did i with bear as mt and ne ot
sick sentinel
Don't say that word D:
strong glacier
is a socket still worth 20 ilvls?
oblique garnet
No
strong glacier
It's a choice between 380 bracers with haste, mastery + socket
or 385 bracers with haste and vers
which would you guys say is a better pick?
oblique garnet
380
sick sentinel
Go with the socket one
old zephyr
I'd take 385 for raid and other for m+
sick sentinel
I was checking traits from dazar raid... 3x brace fo impact 1x deafening crash 1x iron fortress and some other one shit trait
I mist say... Holy shit
old zephyr
I don't like dazar stuff
sick sentinel
That will make me a blocking monster
oblique garnet
3x BoM 3x DC is possible with the dazar gear
sick sentinel
3stacks of bfi will be like having a 2nd shield equipped
old zephyr
My go to would be
Crown ofbloody succession,
Skysorcher pauldron
Désert guardian breastplate
sick sentinel
3x dc is a waste
oblique garnet
Im talking stricly m+
old zephyr
1 DC 1/2 BoM as you wch the rest in IF/BFI
oblique garnet
For max damage
old zephyr
With good traits
sick sentinel
Well... If you aim for damage
old zephyr
For middle/inner
sick sentinel
3x bfi is nasty st damage
sick sentinel
Dunno... Bom seems like a shit trait
primal crypt
seems
old zephyr
For M+ It's very good
primal crypt
lmao
sick sentinel
Mastery is nice and dandy but crit blocking is so random
oblique garnet
1500 mastery every 40~ second🤔
sick sentinel
I like to be flexible
quiet relic
Mythic mytrax down time for ghunn prog! #protwarrior fight was ezz
sick sentinel
And survive shit
oblique garnet
I have no trouble surviving
old zephyr
But when you get meleed by 10 dudes and7clapping like crazy randomness Doesn't exist and the Damage boost is sweet
primal crypt
same
oblique garnet
Gz scooby
sick sentinel
1500 mastery is like 30% crit block
primal crypt
just to do more dmg
sick sentinel
For 20 seconds
If you got shitload of block all you feel is someone scratchimg you
You are both the immovable object AND the unstoppable force at the same time
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
This week I can't pull properly because of necrotic
sick sentinel
But oh ho ho, my skysteps are calling me
primal crypt
Necrotic doesn't exist
sick sentinel
Like I said, i like to be flexible for both raids and m+
If you do the pulls that I did last week, tree amigos die instantly lol
primal crypt
flexible
oblique garnet
Yeah obviously its not the best for raids
sick sentinel
Bom is shit for raids tbh lol
primal crypt
Multiple sets
sick sentinel
Exactly
primal crypt
Raid set
oblique garnet
Eh its not shit
primal crypt
M+ set
old zephyr
It's still a free IP every 40-50 sec
sick sentinel
The thing is though
oblique garnet
Just not stack 3 for raid good
sick sentinel
Instead of every 3 days
Also, having a bom once is good, having a second and a third one is the problems in raiding
But I can see a world where I'm tripple stacking brace for impact
For st tanking it's amazeballs
No need for rng
oblique garnet
Take 35 stacks and call for treants
primal crypt
@last loom boomkin treants
oblique garnet
Or rop
sick sentinel
Or kill it before it kills you
sick sentinel
If you have 30 stacks and there are no happy tree friends
primal crypt
What kind of macro
onyx jungle
If I'm not wrong it's physical dmg now ?! Isn't it
last loom
dunno
primal crypt
You looking for @last loom
sick sentinel
Shockwave, heroic leap and book it
last loom
wanna intercept team mates easily
primal crypt
@last loom #showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@target] Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
oblique garnet
Icy veins macro section has the mouseover intercept
sick sentinel
Wrong spec
primal crypt
That one works for both specs
sick sentinel
Its phys but it doesn't change anything for warrs
primal crypt
all warrior specs
last loom
ty fam
primal crypt
dont have to type intercept, game changes auto for you
primal crypt
TD first boss no necro from the spawns HNGGGGGGGGGGG
onyx jungle
Shockwave leab or fear leab with the azerit traid replaced by azerit fortifications
sick sentinel
Was not fun in the slightest
sick sentinel
I yelled at people to aoe harder D:
primal crypt
not for mouseover
sick sentinel
I remember my record in legion was around 80 necro stacks
sick sentinel
And i lived to tell the tale D:
primal crypt
it should actually
nope
only charges your enemy target
and intercepts your friendlies
mouseover
sick sentinel
I don't trust mouseover macros
primal crypt
nice
sick sentinel
They are evil
primal crypt
Click people
old zephyr
I tryed to make a Stormbolt mouseover but it's not working...
sick sentinel
I tend to click some random shit somewhere in uganda D:
old zephyr
I hade some @stoic erminesor macro for my Sigil when I dabbled in VDH (Yikes I know).
I usually silnced some torch hangin from the ceiling
primal crypt
@cursor is a nasty macro
Too many chances of messing it up due to terrain
When it works it's great
sick sentinel
I have that problem with my priest speedy feathers D:
old zephyr
I used it to great result to jump back on a platform when geetting bumped over
nova gale
What is the stat prio for dps?
old zephyr
Haste/mast I would guess
as long as you feed lot of rage into anger management and use avatar you are already top DPS
lapis wraith
ok just to make sure I have this for zekvoz combo. Pop Last Stand, SB shatter, SR the second Lash. = GG tank survival
old zephyr
SR first, Block second and try to have IP before and refresh it middle of the combo.
Or you can swap after shatter
lapis wraith
that doesn't make sense to me. what am I missing? why would you reflect the first one if you haven't been shattered yet and you're not using block to dampen shatter?
uneven mason
Because
it reduces the amount of strain on healers
If you reduce the first one, it means they don't have to scramble to make sure you're topped off before shatter and 2nd void, because its a lot harder to top you up after that first one, than the 2nd, because after the shatter and 2nd void lash, you won't be taking any more damage (in theory)
If you eat the first one with your teeth, you're going to be at lower health and they have to pump heal you to make sure the shatter and 2nd void doesn't kill you
IE less to heal during the 50% debuff, since you won't be needing any healing during the 100% debuff 
Also, if you're popping last stand you will HAVE BLOCK for the entire combo
The reason you use LS (with bolster) for combo is because it allows you to dump rage into IP
for each hit
marble cipher
Was just gonna comment that, LS and SB is not clever to both use
Well, with bolster
uneven mason
I'd also suggest sitting on DS and avatar until just before the first lash now, so you can IP - then DS, use that 40 rage for an IP on the SHatter, then hit avatar and IP again for the 2nd void
old zephyr
sry First = first hit = void lash
second = shatter, 3rd = void lash again
shatter doesn't increase the damage of void lash
uneven mason
over 40 pulls I perfected walking out of combo with 85%+ health
No, but you still want to have IP for all 3
oblique garnet
Ip before the hits
uneven mason
just incase your offtank is being a flipperchimp and doesn't taunt for 12 seconds after the 2nd void
marble cipher
I walk out with 1hp on my monk and scare the healers 😜
uneven mason
Yeah, "Warriors are weak" - The other tanks, and here I am being the only tank in our progression that doesn't shit the floor or scream for externals for every combo
old zephyr
Yikes
Warrior are strong
as was said before, you get to be both imoovable object and the unstopable force
uneven mason
Paladin uses the reasoning "I can immune the lash" yeah once every 4 combos, GG I can reduce the damage by 90% on every single one, AMA
BDK is like "I can AMS the first lash so I never hit 100% healing debuff"
YHeah with a disc priest or Ironbark
Monks like "Stagger can't kill me lol, you guys seen this new show on netflix, binged it during Zek progression"
I dunno what bears or VDH do
because they generally don't live through the first 2 or 3 melee rounds
on trash
and get mad and leave
marble cipher
Haha that monk thing is right on the nose
lapis wraith
that's really cleared it up actually. ty
uneven mason
I should start screaming for externals I think
just so the other tanks don't have them avail
it'll give healers "perspective"
had to train a new tank on Vectis lastnight
ended up getting our first kill
🤔 I think I'ma have my normal offtank go holy all the time
cause that BDK did everything right, except kill me at 0.8%
because he had 8 stacks and he humped my leg
when I Had 3 stacks of the DOT
I guess he didn't do everything right
uneven mason
I've been a Dark Iron since like, the first day Dark Irons were available to me?
oblique garnet
i got complaints that i dont call for externals
i call them when i need them
???
tropic star
VDH actually quite good at taking zek combo
uneven mason
I got that too from our disc priest
sand egret
be more dependent dammit
uneven mason
But yeah my discp riest is like "I never hear your externals call, you could get some you know"
and I was like "BITCH I AM THE EXTERNAL"
daring marlin
yes
narrow abyss
Any tips for prot this week with necrotic? I’ve just been leaping away and/or yelling for rop/frost nova. But wondering if there’s anything else I could do with prots abilities
tropic star
equip dps trinkets and justk ill the trash before necrotic is an issue
mellow quartz
Always play with a boomie and have lightfoot pots.
uneven mason
3x Boomkin
narrow abyss
How does lightfoot pots work with CD with other pots?
uneven mason
trees for days
mellow quartz
Soothe enrage and treants
uneven mason
it uses your battle pot CD
daring marlin
yeah just be a dark iron
mellow quartz
Can’t have to many boomies this week
uneven mason
This is the druid stacking week
mellow quartz
Imagine playing alliance
uneven mason
Like literally resto/boom/boom/boom
daring marlin
pally is gr8 too
uneven mason
Wat pally do?
mellow quartz
BoP
narrow abyss
They bop necrotic off
mellow quartz
It’s physical now
mellow quartz
Tended to just spend half the dungeon running away lol
mellow quartz
At least it wasn’t raging
uneven mason
uh
mellow quartz
And necrotic
mellow quartz
I have
uneven mason
having packs go from 2 mobs to 7 +++
sand egret
like BM
mellow quartz
How does a hunter not have a soothe pet....
uneven mason
Ok, so change to beast, swap to your spirit cat
sand egret
no soothe pet
uneven mason
and fucking sooth
mellow quartz
Marksman exist?
sand egret
DID NOT HAVE ONE TO SWAP TO
sand egret
I love MM
uneven mason
0_o
sand egret
its SUPER fun imho
mellow quartz
But why ever bring them to M+
sand egret
only spec i play on my hunter
mellow quartz
When you can bring anything else
uneven mason
I dunno, the one hunter I know that plays MM or Surv
(won't play BM)
does like 24k single target
as either spec
so
sand egret
haha i like this person
old zephyr
Hunters have quite good utility
mellow quartz
What utility does MM bring?
willow lotus
Warlocks are useless now
mellow quartz
Don’t think I have ever grouped with one lol
uneven mason
uh, when folks start breaking 20 k DPS like these fuckers
old zephyr
they still get sooth, BL, slowtrap and AoE Bump
willow lotus
Did two 12s yesterday. Both locks were 9k ish dps
uneven mason
I'll push keys with you
Locks 🤢
but I am sad
its necrotic week
and I've been avoiding keys
cause all my Boomkin quit
willow lotus
I talk too much during Necro week
mellow quartz
Isn’t demo pretty good these days in M+?
willow lotus
“Keeeep him away!!!!!!”
uneven mason
yeah, but warlocks
mellow quartz
Aff kinda sucks
daring marlin
all warlocks are legit if played properly lol
old zephyr
all classes are legit if played properly
Except shadow priest but still
daring marlin
aslo as a dark iron all you really need this week is a pally or one boomie
mellow quartz
Most classes can be played well it’s more a question of what you could get instead with something else really.
Shadow priests does insane damage in keys atm
daring marlin
Don’t have to kite is my point
mellow quartz
This week I tend to always just play with rogue, DH and boomie
daring marlin
as dark iron
mellow quartz
Don’t really want anything else for a comp
daring marlin
unless super high keys
old zephyr
Necrotic is not an issue.
Raging could be more troublesome is someone miss a kick
willow lotus
People who just avoid a week since trash affixes
old zephyr
The only issu with rogue DH boomy is that you have to run a RSham fr BL
or use crappy drums
daring marlin
also td first boss is LOL now
old zephyr
no more necrotic => EASY
mellow quartz
Nah, just drums
mellow quartz
Fuck resto shammies
old zephyr
I heard they got better
mellow quartz
Their problem imo is the slow heals
willow lotus
When you call for an external from a RSham and they just drop a Rez totem on you
mellow quartz
Feels like it takes them forever to start healing.
old zephyr
Good thing we neither need healing nor externals
mellow quartz
Played with a priest yesterday who would give me guardian spirit and then not heal afterwards just waiting for it to proc
old zephyr
NOICE
willow lotus
IQ of 200
I had a MW rage quit a +13 we were going to time since Mage didn’t know how to kite artillery onto mobs in SoB
The mage didn’t want to kill the spotter with it...
Lol
old zephyr
I had a rogue with 200% accuracy with the cannon in TD
200% friendly fire accuracy
willow lotus
Gotta pad the meters!
mellow quartz
Well you should not be in range of the mobs when he shoots the cannon!
old zephyr
Also if you want to pad the meter,
When you kill an ally with shared AoE damage (taloc bursting blood or whatever the name is) you get victory rush 😃
daring marlin
It’s annoying on third if your tank is a retard
oblique garnet
now the cannons blast
old zephyr
I am the tank=)
daring marlin
and thinks his damage>moving barrels
old zephyr
now moving barel is a joke though
old zephyr
TD was joke already, It's now a funny joke
daring marlin
shit was brutal for healers on tyrannical
mellow quartz
Healer should move barrels as well since you can cast while moving lol
TC while running barrels what more do you need
oblique garnet
just pick up the barrel and intercept
takes like 1 second
so you dont even lose out on much
daring marlin
They all are now lol
jes nerf makes me sad cuz we didn’t interrupt last night
wew he took like 0 damage
mellow quartz
Nerf?
old zephyr
I am still baffled by how many people are kill by Jes' blade throw because noone cleave Bobby
daring marlin
can’t not interrupt now
old zephyr
'He got not 0 IQ autowin" more likely
mellow quartz
Still people who don’t know they can interrupt Bobby’s stun amazes me
old zephyr
you have to cleave him first but Woa
old zephyr
I'm pretty sure boby is imune to kick while he has his shield (or has thischanged?)
mellow quartz
His stun looks uninterruptable but it isn’t
Always been like that
Just kick him and it goes away
old zephyr
I learnt something, thx
mellow quartz
Now you just have to focus on kicking fears and los the aoe cast in phase 2 as well
And it being 20% longer
daring marlin
@mellow quartz I don’t see why you feel the need to correct me when I’m commenting on them nerfing a STRAT.
🤔
mellow quartz
You didn’t say anything about a strat just that he was nerfed.
So was unsure what you meant
mellow quartz
Not really no
Yeah the cast part I did not the rest of the fight
Can’t read minds over the Internet
mellow quartz
Has anyone actually started doing the trash in the beginning of UR now?
modern brook
i imagine you replace the shroud w/ one at the end
mellow quartz
You can just death run it as well
oblique garnet
you shroud the platform instead from fully the beginning now
old zephyr
just do them all for %
daring marlin
The hotfixes kinda enrage me
old zephyr
skip worms at the end that you can not cleave
daring marlin
little bit
old zephyr
You focus priestess and makes sure she doesn't cast any nasty thing, while clapping
DPS kill the big EYE, ggwp
uneven mason
Clear beginning, use warlock portal to jump past trash after 3rd boss, shroud worms.
oblique garnet
you dont need a warlock gate to skip the trash after 3rd boss
modern brook
@daring marlin YEAH HAHAHA WHo UHH who'd DO THAT?!
daring marlin
:^)
uneven mason
found that the 2 dudes at the door put me exactly 100% on teeming using that strat
cold owl
You don't have to shroud the worms, just hop over the right side wall and hug right
mellow quartz
Usually you will have shroud up in the end no matter what so no reason not to just shroud it really.
mellow quartz
‘Safer’ than running right with idiots
uneven mason
tbh if it hadn't been teeming
I'd probably
have skipped both beginning and end
but needed that %
and MDT showed me the way.
cold owl
I don't generally run with rogues. And if you don't have a rogue, you can still skip it without any issues and if I can drag the scrubbiest healer with an astigmatism through it, no one is allowed excuses.
modern brook
look at me im so great i help ppl with hard to spell diseases - Sackless on why you're not allowed to assume pugs will ruin everything
cold owl
Cool story, but you can show them and then wait to pull the last pack. Worst case, they pull a single worm and you d it up
You can berate me if you'd like, doesn't change that a rogue isn't required to skip that worm.
mellow quartz
Don’t think anyone said it was required.
cold owl
Autism, if it was a joke. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
modern brook
eager tartan
In essence be a tank and prevent damage
Don't hit the panic button when shit hits the fan
And your hp is below 50%
sweet kettle
panic button being shield wall?
eager tartan
Actually, SW is the one you should use before you get those spikes
sweet kettle
my panic button is heroic leap this week
eager tartan
Damn right lol
sweet kettle
shockwave and heroic leap away
eager tartan
If only we had dragon charge baseline 😂
sweet kettle
if only
uneven mason
Dragoncharge would fix
manythings
I'd be ok if we lost revenge
and gained Dragoncharge
modern brook
WE dont have panic buttons
sweet kettle
nah revenge is important
modern brook
If you're not rotating in your CD's during periods of damage you're not playing the spec right
sweet kettle
dragon charge is a fun ability but not that usefull in m+
uneven mason
Key to warrior - never be in a panic situation
modern brook
Like you want as many Non-wasted sW casts as you can get in any given encounter
sweet kettle
yeah prot warrior and prot paladin are those tanks that you need to rotate cds same goes for guardian druid
uneven mason
Druid?
modern brook
but you dont rotate in survival
modern brook
you use survival to block spikes of damage
modern brook
You use shield wall to block 30% of whatever while SB recharges
uneven mason
You basically just keep IF going as much as possible
and hit FR when you take a spike
wat
I mean
I'm bad
I hardly press SW
modern brook
:^)
old zephyr
you use shield wall to block 40% of everything when bigpulling
sweet kettle
yeah
uneven mason
because I'm almost never in a position where I Feel I need it
well, M+ is different
modern brook
^
uneven mason
like every other pull
I even tell my healer "this is a SW pull"
meaning, its going to be big
old zephyr
What I tell the healer is
"Get ready boy, every pull is gonna be a big pull", then I put the key and never stop pulling
well I do for half a sec or the rogue insult me in vocal
modern brook
I've been doing normall dungeons to level my druid
I've only gotten underrot and atal
I pull all of the mobs into he first boss room
normal is sucha joke
old zephyr
you only have 3 dungeons at 110
cold owl
I was running a solo ML yesterday until I realized it wasn't really a challenge, just time consuming.
Normal that is.
modern brook
DO refreshment vendors Icy in normal?
cold owl
They cast it but it's only magic damage
Like 2800
But it definitely showed me I couldn't interrupt enough to kill them in mythic.
sick sentinel
anyone had any testing with
you have have both procs at the same time granting almost 1k STR
and the small globes stack
sick sentinel
Yeah it does, but its almost exactly like the goblet trinket from emerald nightmare, which was pretty good iirc
sand egret
Two issues with Secrets:
- They are no fun
- They hurt someone.
uneven mason
the question is, how often is the uptime on both buffs (for 1k)
sick sentinel
also looks like deep wounds can proc it
manic perch
which weapon?
supple glacier
uneven mason
its 108 gold from where I'm sitting
daring marlin
poop
oblique garnet
500 if you disenchant
primal crypt
408 only on a52
daring marlin
yamo why are you a cow
primal crypt
;(
daring marlin
disgusting
primal crypt
What you mean why am I cow
oblique garnet
Yamo you gaining up on me yet?
daring marlin
Because I’m the best warrior race
daring marlin
FIREBLOOD
primal crypt
Come do keys
And now the guild is like...we need you to come do heroic clear
....
But the quicker the raid stuff is out of the way, the faster I get into keys
And maybe.....push 1500 tonight
oblique garnet
Ye we have ghuun prog aswell but also people doing keys
primal crypt
Did a couple 16s last night
People could not get their heads out of their asses
Working on it though
This week especially
Ez week
oblique garnet
We got a mw monk to our group
oblique garnet
So now we can run the optimal setup for prot
daring marlin
!!!!!
echo granite
so guys is prots right now is best choice for dazaralor
echo granite
nice joke)
i have dh and druid but in legion my main was war
so i think about come back
mellow quartz
BrM no1
mellow quartz
Probably warrior
uneven mason
Warriors are top tier for next raid
Paladin BDK Bear are all pretty even
BrM is still faceroll easy
which leaves them as meta
ALthoguh for overall efficiency
warrior probably tops BrM
but we're still easier to fuckup on
especially when looking at the gearing curve
oblique garnet
Im actually hyped to spam m10s again when the next raid drops for loot
primal crypt
Monk can deal with being somewhat undergeared. Also poor play isn't as detrimental.
oblique garnet
Im actually gonna cry if the first affix will be necrotic next tier
mellow quartz
When most people talk ranking for new raid they mean undergeared and progressing.
primal crypt
No need to worry about necro
mellow quartz
Which is why monk is so great
oblique garnet
Yeah with these affixes
mellow quartz
Was kinda my point
mellow quartz
Phone auto correct lol
primal crypt
Oh lmaooo
keen spire
But also
primal crypt
Sorry didn't read
keen spire
Stagger doesn't hide those mistakes if you are familiar with BrM
I've watched some BAD Brewmasters do horrible things
keen spire
And utility
uneven mason
Monks are about spike damage not killing you
mellow quartz
Usually you die to spikes not overall damage
keen spire
they have some nifty shit
mellow quartz
Monks take more damage but smoother which is why they are amazing when undergeared.
uneven mason
So monks overall are more forgiving - easier to play, allows CE pushers to focus on mechanics
thorn fiber
that feeling you get when you completed a +7 last week and you loot your weekly chest... bam titanforge 385 w socket gore's
uneven mason
and not survival
Also, as someone said, skill in monks has very little impact
relative to its impact for other tanks
monks just deal with all situations for the most part passively
mellow quartz
You can keep up ISB 100% of the time with brews left over to purify
uneven mason
yes you can "kick it up"
mellow quartz
No skill required lol
uneven mason
and do some nifty things
but you're not going to really stand apart from Jimmy "droolsponge" McFlipperhands over there
So this weekend I'm going to get a new DPS screenshot
with me at the top
cause BoM
and I'll just make my avatar on here "Prot Utility"
with that image
keen spire
Lol
uneven mason
so when someone brings up BrM, BDK etc having "utility" I can just be like 
keen spire
I'm not arguing that BrM is 💤
I'm just saying that they do have some nifty utility to bring to the table in addition to their smooth damage intake
oblique garnet
@uneven mason You gonna do that this week on m+?
oblique garnet
maybe you can pull it off idk
uneven mason
gave my MW monk a WA that tells him "DO IT NOW" when I use Fireblood
so he'll lifemarble me
when I have 0 stacks of Necrotic
++
oblique garnet
but you can do like 40k-50k on 5 mobs ezpz
oblique garnet
Its gonna be worse
modern brook
if ur tryna get a fat parse mastery for sure
uneven mason
got my 385 vial
modern brook
BOM*
modern brook
Isnt it good on Fury already?
uneven mason
yeah
modern brook
also re: Bom v archive
uneven mason
just dunno how it scales multiple targets