I know it's good, I just didn't think I would read that
#protection
sick sentinel
prisma viper
What do ele shaman bring to help with necro?
sick sentinel
earthquack knockdowns mobs
primal crypt
Earthbind totem
neon tangle
and an AoE stun
neon tangle
@prisma viper Earthquake is fun for caster packs, made my last TD a lot saner
and the double-pack of casters on the bridge in SOTS
etc
sick sentinel
i tried ravager a few times, it's fun and could potentially have uses, but you'd be stupid to take it over anger managment
primal crypt
Only ever use if baked into spec
ashen trellis
Hm. Need 2nd opinion.
sick sentinel
keep gloves
ashen trellis
Thats what im thinking
sick sentinel
how much haste do you have unbuffed and without the gloves?
cinder nova
Doesn't matter
Keep gloves
Rings are really the only debatable point for secondaries
And there's no requisite amount of haste needed for prot so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
It probably wont make a huge difference at all if you do use the 380s, but you're shorting yourself armor, stam, and STR to do it
native forum
Is there a haste level we should be aiming for?
carmine bison
is the archive worth using over brace for impact for M+?
sick sentinel
depends on middle ring
carmine bison
same item, the helm from mother... not sure if i should stick with archive or brace since i mostly m+
whole yoke
Hey guys, I stopped wow for some time (left in october). How's the war prot doing these days ?
stark sage
looking good
we got pretty much every change that we asked for
namely fixing IP on the GCD
cinder nova
I wouldn't say that, Kel
whole yoke
Is there a link where I could find the changes ? Maybe a change log from a specific update ?
cinder nova
GCD on IP is a start, but the isolation of block on shields makes them disproportionate in value towards our survival than other tanks by a country mile
stark sage
i would say 8.1 version of prot is what the 8.0 version should have been, but in terms of power level, we were pretty good in the right hands before, and we have gotten nothing but buffs
cinder nova
And our Mastery is still the only RNG one out there.
lusty grotto
no reflective plating, that's the only thing we're missing that the mods here asked for
cinder nova
Also talents are still a disaster
whole yoke
What about m+ ? Are we still the tank to avoid ?
cinder nova
DKs are still goober-tier best
stark sage
meh DK nerf is actually really impactful
cinder nova
two words
lusty grotto
DKs are getting hit super hard
stark sage
i would say prot is in a better spot than DK imo
cinder nova
M+ is mostly about utility
whole yoke
No y I know @cinder nova I did some back then, but only with pre mades lfg was harder
to get into a group
lusty grotto
once again, if people deny you an invite for a sub 10 m+
they are retarded
and you dodged a bullet
cinder nova
If DK can still survive most of the mechanics they'll be favored over warrior for rez and grip
lusty grotto
same as it was pre 8.1
whole yoke
Well, it's looking rather good then.. might get my sub back ๐ Thanks guys
stark sage
well yeah they will have advantages, but before DK had the advantage in almost every category except being a little behind on damage
cinder nova
It's about how much more can you get a tank to do than tank
And damage is seldom an issue
whole yoke
The fact that a DK can die in m+ is amazing ahah
cinder nova
Probably.
stark sage
they lost ~18% EHP vs one target, even moreso on multi targets
as i understand
ofc i dont play BDK
sick sentinel
the hunter in my guild (his 1.9k so I value what he says a bit more than my experience) said that his groups have started taking more warriors because "they can tank more than 4 mobs at a time"
stark sage
^
warrior is a brick now
now i will concede, i think the nerf was too far for BDK, and it will get toned down a bit
it is really shitty to need a specific utility from a tank that has a hard time surviving
even if we all hate that BDK has been king of m+ since foreveer
warm plinth
I started leveling my warrior last night. I think the two changes I'd really like to see is DS being off GCD and some version of the spell reflect artifact trait come back.
stark sage
DS on gcd is a minor complaint of mine, reflective plating just makes sense
it doesnt need to reflect everything for the duration, just keep the DR for the duration
warm plinth
Yeah, I'd rather have reflective plating than the DS change; I think that's mostly aggravating me right now due to the sub 15 sec CD from the PvP talent + Anger Management
mild maple
DS on the GCD only feels bad because Avatar is also on the GCD and we often cast them back to back
Multi GCD setup to actually start doing stuff feels bad
If DS did some AoE damage it'd probably feel better, people don't complain about casting Colossus Smash or Siegebreaker or w/e as setup because they're also damaging spells
primal crypt
@oblique garnet
open bluff
unstable flames or elemental whirl... assuming whirl?
primal crypt
https://wago.io/BJ2SY_0QQ/20 @oblique garnet
for everyone
a gift
gift weak aura
ivory oxide
๐บ ๐ฉ ๐ฆ
warm plinth
@mild maple I agree with that; it'd feel better if it had some instant gratification attached to it. It's pretty intangible right now (it's not, but it's nothing obvious so it feels like it). But there's no way they'd put damage on it without nerfing the effect so I'd rather suffer it.
neon tangle
I think it also feels bad because you're spending your first global doing... another buff
instead of utilizing that fun new damage buff you just gained
mild maple
I just want to Thunderclap but Blizz is making me do my homework first ๐ฆ
warm plinth
๐ข
Did they actually provide a reason for why they put all this stuff on GCD? I never really understood why they made that change.
mild maple
Lots of vague stuff about slowing down gameplay to make decisions more impactful
It's kind of nonsense I think, if they wanted people to stop stacking a bunch of CDs on one macro then they should have gone fury warrior on the specs and reduced the overall number of offensive CDs
and left movement/defensives alone
neon tangle
I mean, idk what they expect, they gave us CDs that benefit from each other, and they line up
Just make it one button
supple path
Yeah, planning to synch up your global cooldowns during Fetid's knockback so that charge was available before you were OOR was not exactly a fun style of gameplay mechanic.
mild maple
If they do want to make multiple offensive CDs then they should give them negative synergy so players want to spread them out, e.g. deadly calm and bladestorm
I think they could have been much smarter about it. Just adding everything to the GCD feels bad. At least they took a bunch of Prot stuff off now.
warm plinth
Yeah. I'm fine with what it feels like now; DS being off would just make it perfect for me.
supple path
I mean I do know stuff like Eonar where as a fury warrior I'd busted out my full load 0.1s after the mobs were spawned while a shadow priest was still sadly sitting at 0 damage wasn't a good game limitation but bleehhhhh at them.
warm plinth
Which I guess is just putting us back to how we were in Legion, GCD wise
Yeah but at the same time, that's just a spec difference. You'll always have those, GCD or no GCD
Shadow priest is a build/spend playstyle, so by definition you are going to have ramp-up
supple path
I appreciate it in PvP moreso - having "popping your cooldowns" come as a distinct event from "oops my healthbar" but yeah, just felt garbo for pve
neon tangle
@mild maple pretty much re: the negative synergy thing
Instead, why not have them buff each other
supple path
You know they're just going to end up having shared cooldowns.
Because why make a limitation organic when it can be hardcoded.
warm plinth
You mean like with trinkets, how using one puts the other on a CD?
warm plinth
Jesus I hope not. That would be horrible.
supple path
I just wish they'd do something to address the whole "you cannot type in combat" situation we've gotten to with the volume of key presses.
#1 thing I actually appreciated about BDK - flexible dead globals in your rotation that you can fill with, "GET AWAY FROM THAT FIRE WHAT ARE YOU DOING IT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND"
neon tangle
FWIW free globals in the BDK rotation also makes having both their AM buttons on the GCD feel less horrid
warm plinth
Idk, I don't think they need to do anything to fix that, because what if I'm not typing? Then I'm just bored.
supple path
I think it's contributed to the dead feeling of community and how pugs never talk.
But that's a wholllle nother ballpark that I could go on about for hours.
neon tangle
my BC druid had forever to talk
daring marlin
@neon tangle
daring marlin
hi gladbox
neon tangle
hi @daring marlin
warm plinth
I mean, if I absolutely need to talk, I can. It might hurt my parse a bit, but I'm not going to die 99 times out of 100.
neon tangle
Just learn to click while typing w/ one hand
supple path
I mean hitting devastate isn't fun.
Best part about devastator was getting that stupid key press out of our rotation.
warm plinth
Idk, I agree that Devastate isn't fun, but we didn't really have many free globals when Devastator was meta either.
supple path
Honestly Sadbox I probably need to figure out some mouse shortcuts for commonly used abilities and see if that plays nice with typing.
warm plinth
Just learn to type faster.
supple path
I do about 180 wpm
I imagine if it were slower I wouldn't even consider it worth trying.
neon tangle
sustained or burst?
warm plinth
Then why do you have a problem? I type ~145 and I don't have any issue typing when I need to.
supple path
Because I like some of my messages to be more than 5 words long
neon tangle
180 sustained is... rather fast
supple path
Yeah I've been typing 12 hours a day for about 25 years.
neon tangle
180 sustained is like "one of the best in the world" levels FWIW
supple path
I'm sure it's not casual sustained, just "when I'm trying" - if that's what you mean by burst.
warm plinth
180 has to be burst. Or you're the new world record holder lol
neon tangle
@supple path So, for super fast typists, on short typing tests 180WPM is fairly reasonable, they will normally "burst" 200-230WPM during easier to type passages
warm plinth
Pretty sure the record for sustained is like 173 or 174 right now
In which case you need to call Guinness immediately
neon tangle
180WPM is close to if not the world record holder levels
supple path
I'm sure it's not sustained then if that's how sustained is defined, but jeez, either way.
I'm just going off what typeracer told me last time.
warm plinth
I wasn't questioning you. Just saying it's impressive haha.
neon tangle
typeracer == burst
supple path
There you are then.
warm plinth
Yeah, the sustained world records are usually like ~45-50 minutes
neon tangle
"sustained" is more like 20+ minute typing tests
supple path
Ahh yeah, my fingers would fall off.
warm plinth
Or catch on fire at the least lol
supple path
Even like 2 minutes of trying to type at max speed = cramps start up.
neon tangle
welp I'm glad that there's another person in here who shares my weird fascination with typing tests
warm plinth
I play typeracer all the time XD
supple path
I mainly like to streamsnipe people with it.
warm plinth
I'm not that fast though. Pretty sure the fastest I've ever done is 160wpm and that was a miracle race
supple path
And usually I just end up with 100 words that I reread and realize just say, "These goddamn kids these days won't read OR get off my lawn."
warm plinth
I started typing regularly when I was 17 on a PS2 MMO. Before USB keyboards were affordable, I swear I could probably type 60wpm or more with a controller, because it was all I had lol.
neon tangle
I can type 120-150 fairly comfortably, but I don't practice any more
supple path
Warrior feels goddamn terrible to miss globals on though, just due to how anger management plays out.
sick sentinel
Welp, I just rolled for a random 385 chest, now im rocking double BS with double AV
neon tangle
cause shoulder injury ๐ฆ
warm plinth
I don't practice ever, unless you count WoW. I do type quite a bit at work, though, so it keeps me comfortable.
sick sentinel
I could do BSx3/AVx3
sick sentinel
Bloodsport
warm plinth
Right that's the IP one right?
supple path
I was sitting here like "how does he get blood siphon / av"
warm plinth
Hnngh
supple path
Beautiful. I still want to see what an RNjesus blessed competitive ilvl ~10% leech suit would play like.
Feels like with our DPS in its current place there's some room for it to be seriously overpowered.
sick sentinel
Its possible
Gonna go do my weekly see what its like not having a DC trait
Fuck me, I got a +14 UR key
neon tangle
UR prolly won't be too horrible this week
lots of room to kite
first boss got nerfed
mighty gulch
Is there a point where i stop stacking haste?
im at 1400 haste atm. - 2k with the uldir buff
about 50% haste in uldir
neon tangle
nope, also don't forget that going in to next tier you're not going to have RA
untold blaze
@mighty gulch i think 950+haste - 1100 mastry is the best i gusse be sure to get the mastry RA
warm plinth
As long as it's higher ilevel, that's all that matters!
hidden ether
how much IL is a socket worth? i have a 370 cloak w/ socket and a 380 w/o
warm plinth
Could find out pretty easily. Find out how much less in stats you get from the 370 before the socket. Add the amount of stat you get from the socket and see if it's higher than the 380
supple path
Yeah it does vary somewhat by piece - socket is more valuable vs ilvl on a cloak than pants.
I'd guess the 370 w/socket will end up beating your 380, but like Worldcrusher said, compare the stat gap yourself.
inland mesa
385 Syringe, 385 jes howler, 375 rezan's halp
steep lily
Think 370 haste/mastery shield with socket is worth replacing with 375 mastery/vers?
lavish oracle
Nah, always go ilvl on shield
inland mesa
375
lavish oracle
Shield is the only piece we get block stat from
sick sentinel
yeah, i've had a hell of a time getting a shield or weapon
vivid drum
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last loom
couldnt do atal 13 with this pug
this holy paladin was doing 10k hps average per pack
just couldnt stay alive with that shit
so fuckin annoying
primal crypt
I'm so sad with myself
13k
only overall
I couldn't push it higher
BUT
some of the boss dmg was insane
I'm really hoping it saved
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/351075520?t=01h37m31s Motherload is really really fun this week guys XD
That's just the second boss
the amount of dmg we can do this week XD
merry bane
So my fellow warriors I got a 370 gloves with Vers and Mastery. Just got 370 gloves with Crit and Mastery. IS it just preference at this point?
Also what do we think of Ancients Bluwark Azerite
sick sentinel
is FH bad with necrotic? i have only done ML and UR with it so far, but both today
i am 371 and have a +9 for FH
round hornet
Hey guys, from what I rmemeber Abrodus was a meme right? What was bad about him
warm plinth
@merry bane I would probably keep the vers/mastery ones myself. Vers is a more consistent stat overall than crit is. Our stats are close enough that either one is fine though. As far as Ancients Bulwark, it's an okay trait but not one of the best.
lavish oracle
I think the rule of thumb applies here which is, if you have to ask, you're probably not doing content it matters for
But I'd say Belf if you're looking to push dungeons
The purge is really nice this xpac
not as sure for raids, but the bonuses are so small it probably doesn't really matter
dusty tangle
Prob just gonna go highmountain for vers and dmg reduc
Recently rerolling prot warrior off of paladin and DK ๐ฆ
quiet crane
The racials are extremely minimal at best romo so I recommend playing what youโd like
Although the extra charge is nice in some ways I spose
But for purely dung content yes.. belf defs is a bit ahead with the aoe purge
eager phoenix
If your pushing keys and playing with the same group most of the times pick the race that provides something your group lacks. If you got a DH dispels should be covered both with skill + racial. Tauren or HM for another aoe stun could be just as huge. But yes, in general it is almost no difference between races unless your really arguing for min-max. Playing with DH as a warrior means just between the two of you you already have 2x aoe stuns and two sources of purge so both belf and hm/tauren is kinda more of what you already have lol.
old zephyr
Hey,
I have been ttying to push sots yesterday for the First time in ร while, and the water elemental gave me a lot of trouble with his high tide cast,
Any trick against this ?
neon tangle
kill it faster, always the best option
old zephyr
Well I don't think I can kill it fast enough...
Because one cast usually mean I get hit twice by the Small dude cast d'or total of 200k hp
oblique garnet
What high tide cast?
old zephyr
the thing that sends you flying then crash you down
the name might not be "high tide" I gave it a go as a translation of the french name
ionic fern
That's why you skip it.
Otherwise CC 2 casters next to it and pull it away from them and nuke it down.
old zephyr
how do you skip it?
livid tendon
shroud or gateway
sinful bay
is 380 servant splitter better than the 370 weapon from atal ?
ionic fern
Can't you skip w/o shroud anymore?
And with a shroud listen to this guy from 2:35
livid tendon
ye you can skip by just walking without anything
but imagine needing 5 people to not be oogabooga
ionic fern
Every rogue that has tried the shroud skip forgets to distract the mob and gets insta detected.
Good times
In my pugs atleast
.
sinful bay
What's better ? Got the 380 from the weekly chest
ionic fern
I'd take the 380
urban walrus
I'd be tempted to say that defensively, the 370 pulls ahead
sinful bay
hm yea, no secondary stats though
livid tendon
I'd go for 370
old zephyr
thanks for that
wide girder
Does IP absorb necrotic now?
worthy dagger
Archive or Ancients Bulwark?
wide girder
Archive
old zephyr
IP always did, but as far as I remember Necortic reduce IP ammount
finite gull
Got my first bastion of might trait on 385 shoulders. Drop Gemhide/Impassive secondary's tho cuz of swapping DC trait ๐ฆ
For M+ Would it be decent running Double BoM and DC?
worthy dagger
1 dc
well to be honest im not even running DC
i got a 390 shoulders with no DC and im having no issue
sick sentinel
Dc it's worth over 15 ills ilvls tho
@finite gull double BoM and a DC for maximum damage, swap a bom out for bfi or if for more survivability
old zephyr
wait you got 385 in your "cache of weekly disapointment"?
finite gull
Nah i bought one with the azerite residuum or w/e its called
ionic fern
Random 385 one costs 165
finite gull
^
serene jackal
with the implement of 385 and 415 crafted engineering azerite ?
anyone able to calculate the new engineering helms for sims?
mostly
[Synaptic Spark Capacitor]
[Relational Normalization Gizmo]
for tanking comapred to other tank traits?
as well as
[Ricocheting Inflatable Pyrosaw]
[Barrage Of Many Bombs]
for dps traits?
also
[Personal Absorb-o-Tron]
[Auto-Self-Cauterizer]
for inner trait defensives... I know theres only 1 section i can find explaining [Personal Absorb-o-Tron] that its an A-TIER trait but thats about it.
385 CRAFTABLE NOW!
[Zandalari Engineering: Emblazoned Orthogonal Optics]
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=291096/emblazoned-orthogonal-optics#recipes
^Schematic craft the 370 to get it
https://www.wowhead.com/item=166986/emblazoned-orthogonal-optics
^ Item
Also it does not give titan residium HOWEVER [Sanguicell]+[Expulsom] are 100% fully refunded on scrap/salvage of the 370 version as of current obtained 25sang+20exp = full mats required + its basically a FREE UPGRADE if u have the ore to spare for it.
@fierce juniper
young marlin
Due to Necrotic becoming a physical dot, that means the application is also physical. Does that mean you can "Block" it and immune stacks until you dont block?
young marlin
Well since AMS blocks magical applications and it no longer blocks necrotic application, then that means it is physical over all so it has to be applied Physically else AMS would block it
vocal nimbus
Ams didnt block, made you inmune to certain effects
And necrotic is now a bleed which cant get blocked
As any other bleed
Although dunno if the dmg tick is reduced by armor
marble cipher
It's not
eager phoenix
Wonder why they decided to change Necrotic to a bleed?
serene jackal
because NECROTIC was to counter DK TANKS and ams broke it... they finally fixed it to make DK's balanced. source: developer Q&A earlier this year
eager phoenix
aaaaaaaaaalright
ionic fern
No one's gonna mind it anyway since 90% slow
young marlin
AMS blocked Application of Necrotic before today
marble cipher
Also, it's always been a bleed afaik. Just the application of the bleed used to be magical, and could be avoided by ams.
ionic fern
Replace default druid/disc healer with a Paladin and you get a free BoP as well to reset if needed.
young marlin
Just wondering if anyone has tested whether Block blocks application as of today
serene jackal
anyone here able to sim the upgraded azerite 385/390 helms for engineering in tank situations. I attempted to contact marok but it appears hes offline.
steady dragon
@marble cipher it very much was magic dmg, not a bleed
shadow damage, to be exact
as AMS also prevented the damage of necrotic itself
young marlin
Hmmm, then would that mean for big trash pulls, that one lvl 100 talent would be viable over AM?
old zephyr
You get guaranteed high level DC and6other6goodies sont It's good
Probably not BiS but good
serene jackal
also to help with necrotic... u can always intervine a healer or intervine a range dps to get away to drop stacks. Lock gates work amazinly well during boss fights and some trash pulls. If you want to coordinate its usage on voice and the positions. having a Holy/Ret paladin help with bops. Ravager and Crit Rating also help with necrotic due to parry chance increase. 55+% parry is a good thing during necrotic.
Having a dps taunt/growl trash or boss help as well. Shaman Earth elemental Druid Treants etc...
stone crag
the biggest reason to change necrotic was to nerf Blood in dungeons
merry cave
bis ravager time
stone crag
and it was successful
old zephyr
don't spec into ravager plz
merry cave
too late its 
time
serene jackal
Ravager up every pull sometimes twice on fort week. only reason its a meme is because the AP scaling is retardely low... i mean u can auto attack for more dps ๐
stone crag
it hit paladins as well but not nearly as bad, they can still drop stacks on Cooldown of BoP , Pre8.1 https://i.imgur.com/Amfll0V.png
Post 8.1 https://i.imgur.com/wdewTj7.png
old zephyr
But anger management is Sooo strong defensively
ionic fern
BoP AND DS.
stone crag
yeh
ionic fern
We just can't tank it anymore for 10s with SW
Since we gotta /cancelaura BoP to keep aggro
merry cave
Might do a 10 key with ravager see how bad it actually is lol
stone crag
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serene jackal
Well there's always run double prot warrior and just taunt off each other... we do good dps.... and 2 warriors are better then 1 I always say ๐ #lootshare
ionic fern
We ran 5 prot pallys for Necrotic in Legion, no problems what so ever. Same with Skittish.
๐
serene jackal
legion also had the 5 prot warrior group pushing +25 Mythic keystones near the end
should be a vid on youtube if i recall
ionic fern
Pretty sure they did a +21 or smth
serene jackal
i could solo a +22 tyrannical HOV pretty sure its more then a +21
the 22 took hours though.... hours i say....
ionic fern
young marlin
So full crit heavy/haste minor gear and crit trinkets plus Ravager = necrotic outta here?
stone crag
yikes
old zephyr
God no
stone crag
parry is still heavily unreliable and has Diminishing returns
old zephyr
you run in with CD destroy shit for a couple seconds, then reset with a RoP, treants, whaterver.
if nothing else, shockwave and leap away
young marlin
It honestly sounds like a terrible idea but I want to farm gear just to try it. Could get 3 swirling sands traits too
stone crag
๐คข
old zephyr
its not gonna work man
young marlin
On paper it wont work but with a 60% parry, you can at least vastly reduce application and increase damage
It would of course be for fun. Just ome big joke.
I will get a video of the terror unfolding xD
First time I will ever enjoy crit on a Protection Warrior
old zephyr
With ravager and 60% parry you would be able to
Not take as much damage with tyour CDs than without for 10 sec
With anger management, you can
Not take as much damage with tyour CDs than without for 15 sec AND do loads of damage
stone crag
combination of factors on why ravager is a terrible idea
young marlin
Some pulls will be absolutely terrible cause it is an RNG wheel (unlike AM) but some pulls will be like... 0 applications. But due to the enjoyment of making terrible ideas work, it will be done. Can count on Wrek for making the bad... Not as bad.
old zephyr
what you mean is that we can count on Wrek to ..... get wreked ?
๐
oblique garnet
You can do 10 with ravager
Wouldnt recommend it tho
Its not fun to play with it
old zephyr
There is +10s I can't do With AM at 378 Ilvl
#PUGlife
oblique garnet
Rezan howler
blazing condor
i got middle trinket from cache and wondering if its worth replacing the other two
oblique garnet
Sporepods is eh
old zephyr
rezan howler is life
oblique garnet
Rezan howler still the best combo you have
old zephyr
it's also BOOTYCLAP
stone crag
sporepods is extremely medicore at best
blazing condor
what makes the howler so good? i feel like for survival the mytrax trinket helps a lot but maybe the vers is super worth it?
enlighten me
stone crag
on demand verse
old zephyr
you triger it on pull with all the CD
high damage boost and reduction when plenty of stuff are alive = when it matter the most
they die faster while you stay longer for more damage
WIN WIN
blazing condor
yeah thats what i figured and kinda how i used it
during raiding is anything better?
or still
old zephyr
during raid I would use mythrax but I may be wrong
blazing condor
yeah
i thought that spores were kinda trash but since it's +15 ilvl its worth checking out and see if it was any good
dark lark
how many stacks of necrotic do you guys let build up?
sick sentinel
like 30
oblique garnet
Depends
vocal nimbus
20~ with CDs up
mossy narwhal
I think at 25 ish you should start pulling out. I just got wa that makes the icon grow bigger as i can easily forget about it xD i'll test it tonight
wintry trout
Noob warr here, whats Necrotic like for warrs atm?
mossy narwhal
I'm just getting back to warr alt but will be same for any tank pretty much. I think my best friends are treants tbh on any tank.
I'm sure a more experienced warr can give you their opinion tho as mine is like 0 value
wintry trout
Does it affect IP? and does Block help at all with Melee swings giving stacks?
mossy narwhal
Ignore pain is an absorb so shouldn't be affected, block will mitigate the dmg so its fine and use shield wall if you are too high on stacks
No wait absorbs are affected i belive
dark lark
if youre lucky with dodges and parries you can have your necrotics fall off
just had it happen a couple times in waycrest
oblique garnet
but if you have a boomkin with treants necrotic is w/e
sick sentinel
just bought a 385 helm and I have a choice between IV and the new int shout trait
I really wanna go IV
sick sentinel
I was thinking of going with the shout for this week and next week swap it back to IV
because necrotic
if it was not necrotic I would go IV with absolutely no thought going into it
Also, I joined the double BoM+ DC club now
oblique garnet
Its feels good doesnt it ๐
dark lark
dude it's pretty fucking fun
my 2x bom pieces are 375 though, and i have a 390 BFI ๐ฆ
dark lark
yeah?
oblique garnet
If you feel like you need survival its not worth it
dark lark
ill give it a try
i was running 390 BFI with 375 DC and 375 BoM
just for the str/stam
oblique garnet
That honestly might be better for this week
Since its tyrannical
If youre pushing high keys
oblique garnet
Eh then double bom or not and you do big dick dps
dark lark
8===D
oblique garnet
You shouldnt need the bfi on those keys
Got a 17 kings rest and already feeling like this week is over
dark lark
ew
oblique garnet
I miss key deletion
steady fiber
oblique garnet
Nah
Just annoying
Its nothig but an annoyance
Forces you to kite which you normally dont have to do
silk mortar
What keys do you run where you dont have to kite!?!?
livid tendon
??
wide girder
0
wintry trout
Been playing a blood DK for a couple of weeks on key progression, but actually keen to have a prot warr available to sub in, been loving prot warr play style
dark lark
ive played prot blood and brewmaster
prot is by far the most fun
but obviously, pre 8.1, the most difficult
oblique garnet
@silk mortar pretty much any key besides kr on 15-18
tired shadow
I don't understand why Intimidating Presence is considered a "niche" trait. I have 2 traits and been using it in m+ and it absorbs 34k dmg / mob. On a decent pull of like 10 mobs it easily prevents 150-250k dmg
oblique garnet
The problem people have with is that it doesnt affect cc immune adds
tired shadow
Which are usually the minority
crimson furnace
hey guys, old prot warr here, just getting back after the new changes
any thoughts?
does the rotation feel smoother? are we back at being fun and wrecking shit? ๐ cheers
ionic fern
Yes.
crimson furnace
niceeee
oblique garnet
Yes
primal crypt
Good good
One thing I had to modify was to have it show in combat
In case someone dies and gets a beez
Brez
sick sentinel
I haven't run with it yet, but it is 2x390 BoM and a 375 DC
primal crypt
???
oblique garnet
Why do you do this to me kage
sick sentinel
how bad is kr this week?
primal crypt
Actually not bad
lusty grotto
its not
primal crypt
Since the trash won't one shot you
lusty grotto
no fort trash
primal crypt
Morning nim
sick sentinel
so I just have to bring big damage
lusty grotto
and princess bitch doesn't hurt after the ranged attacks became blockable
lusty grotto
i actually managed to tank zul without kiting when we timed it last week
had to rotate SW and cocoon but yeah
and morning ๐
tacit smelt
Take back that number 2 spot yamorino
primal crypt
/wave @tacit smelt
Teams been busy :/
They're on M Ghuun prog
Extending days and stuff
tacit smelt
Aw sucks
primal crypt
Meh, little break isn't bad
Maybe squeeze out a few high keys this week
Try to trick my way into some pugs lol
oblique garnet
I thought na doesnt have high key pugs
tacit smelt
Lol they'll still see your io and want a blood film, half of them don't know what blood dks do
oblique garnet
I could just que up and they would probably take me
And if they go lol prot you just go lol mediocre dps
tacit smelt
Lol
oblique garnet
I actually made another warrior feel bad by schooling him on dps
oblique garnet
โI was used to being the alpha dog and then you cameโ
primal crypt
That's when you tell him to swap specs
oblique garnet
Finally finished all the schoolwork for this year and now i can just relax and play some m+
primal crypt
It's funny though, my bdk is basically my prime herbalist
That's about it
Bdk keys are not nearly as fun
Although gripping is still amazing
old zephyr
Well when I run with guildies they are not bothered AT ALL,
just happy to have their sorry ass carried through a once in a while weekly cache of disapointment
primal crypt
Responsive positioning is really strong
oblique garnet
My group dont want my bdk because my warrior makes everything dies faster and takes way less damage
old zephyr
Mine are "hey tank why, why do you die of those super long kickable spells"
Dude I kicked 5 of them already, I have CDs ...
I hate my guild for M+, worse than PUs
primal crypt
If they're guildies
Then you need to be savage towards them
And bury them into the ground
final mist
I put my DPS warrior in the dirt all the time
Establish dominance
Right @daring hazel?
old zephyr
"hey what does weird looking mob has?"
speaking of ghuun infested,
DUDE !!!
final mist
Gotta keep 'em in check
minor fox
Considering the loss in haste importance, what would be better for prot, between a crit mastery ring and a haste mastery ring, having a 5 ilvl difference between them?
old zephyr
higher Ilvl wins
Also people sheeping/icetraping/... mobs we skip, well now we gotta pull them
Worse, people doing that THEN pulling next pack themselves into extrapulling the patrol..
primal crypt
Oh
minor fox
motherlode ring
primal crypt
Take the higher ring with haste
minor fox
minor fox
At times I feel I have a bit tooo much haste
I think it's partly cause to some extent I use about the same gear that I use on my fury setup
except the azerite
minor fox
about 16-17% I think
primal crypt
That's not too much
minor fox
but during heroism moments I just can't push the buttons fast enough
final mist
There's no such thing as too much haste
minor fox
my hotbars can't actually keep up with the button pressing
minor fox
Probably the fact that I'm out of touch with prot might not help at all
primal crypt
Prot is a spec you have to practice to stay in with
minor fox
Yeah, I haven't played it since the end of legion
lusty grotto
you should be right at home then
minor fox
I did try it out for a while when it had ignore pain on gcd, but it just felt off to me
lusty grotto
those of us that got used to on-gcd IP, had a whole 2 mins to readjust back to Legion playstyle
primal crypt
Yup
Actually didn't use ip lmao
In aoe packs
Had to remind myself it was off gcd now
So i did like a twitch slow press to test it
Now I'm back to mashing it again
@oblique garnet
NA
all day
primal crypt
And then...some of them you dont even want to join
Because they're OCE
and then you're playing with 300ms
oblique garnet
just play on EU LUL
oblique garnet
the ping from east cost is like 100 or smth
grand trellis
Yeah mines normally 190
grand trellis
Eh, probably because Iโve been playing like that for 3 years I donโt notice anything
astral crystal
To master prot warrior you must also master OCE ping gameplay
oblique garnet
Btw those who are unaware if you type /guildroster it opens up the old not buggy version of guild tab
signal plover
Yeah I just put that into a macro and keybound it
I think I tolerated the new Gchat for 10 mins
nova gale
Hey guys. Been maining BrM this tier and am thinking about what to play next tier. How is warriors looking in general? Performance and "flow" with the new GCD changes? Would be awesome to know
uneven mason
requires button pressing, not sure a BrM would like it.
In seriousness, Prot has felt fine all expansion, its a bit slippery for us vets now with the GCD changes.
very smooth
So we went from feeling like a rock
to a greased rock
nova gale
Aight, BrM is in genral the class with the highest "button pressing" ๐
undone vale
i just wish we had 1 more utility ability for m+
uneven mason
Except its not really "required"
nova gale
true
uneven mason
๐
and no Prot is GCD locked
with off GCD abilities
so that'll be familiar
but our buttons "matter"
as in
a lot
Prot doesn't take a lot of damage, but its punishing when not played properlly, 8.1 has made the punishing windows, smaller, but we can still chunk if fuckups happen
that being said, for raids w're looking to be A#1
M+ we're strong, but need the right comp to cover the holes in our utility
nova gale
mm
small nexus
oh you do? ๐
nova gale
Might actually start gearing my warrior again
uneven mason
We can bring bad DPS and cover their lack of utiliyt tho.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png
Prot utility
modern brook
oh boy its not even noon and mactier is whipping it out
cinder nova
Does Fetid trash take extra damage?
I had 79k TC crits and I know I'm not that thicc
astral crystal
Lol
signal plover
When they are in blood pool form yes
dusk locust
i went weeks with heavy crit in raid apparently. swapped a 380 belt for a 385 to make haste high and now it feels like i have permanent hero
modern brook
We're a week into 8.1 and my guild still doesnt kick the lion roars :^(
on the plus side, at least we're raiding again
cinder nova
The 8/8M guild that poached me kicked roar and pulled half of Zul trash
And I didn't die
modern brook
๐ฎ
modern brook
thats how i feel about this discord
signal plover
Zul mass pulls are max fun
Especially when I purge a 10 stack of the bleed with dark iron racial and go super Saiyan
100k izzi
astral crystal
That feel when no dark iron gf
signal plover
Guys for real
Stop with the DPS memes
We're gonna get the nerf bat
Stfu
We all know
modern brook
late what ilvl is that rogue?
uneven mason
"Necrotic WIshes do come true"
keen sonnet
dwarves can purge necrotic now that its physical?
oblique garnet
381
modern brook
both can, yeah moon
oblique garnet
he wasnt very good
modern brook
Also i def had a dream last night that asmon was complaining about Dwarves
he was like why play dwarf when u can play DID
and it wasnt until this moment that i realized it was a dream because a) sounds correct b) def something he would say, c) I dont watch asmon
also ty late, trying to get my bearings on my rogues damage
keen sonnet
Is prot only excelling in low magic damage dungeon though?
oblique garnet
oh yeah 100%
keen sonnet
how about fortified zul in KR?
outer dew
Prot does okay on low interval high magic dungeons
dusk locust
pretty rough but there's always running away
outer dew
Most people run like a bitch on Zul tbh
dusk locust
on 15 fortified our team barely killed it right as i was gonna die with me sitting on zul
ember arrow
Ams is tinier than my self confidence
dusk locust
though i think we had disc priest
broken roost
Fort zul - how do you kite? Like get 40+ yards away? Otherwise he just keeps spam casting
modern brook
hi levko :^)
ember arrow
oblique garnet
you leap away using skystep potion and run into the the 3rd boss area so incase you die you can insta ress and taunt it back to you
8 )
keen sonnet
awesome
uneven mason
@keen sonnet AMS literally stops less damage than 3 IPs unless they spec into the barrier talent ๐ค
dusk locust
hah i didn't even think of being able to instantly rez and taunt
uneven mason
+++
broken roost
Depressing strategy
oblique garnet
its needed on above 15 if you dont bl zul
dusk locust
we lusted axe boss
we discussed lusting zul instead tho
but if there's a cheezy way to kite him then we could just always lust axe
dusk locust
the dot she puts out hits super hard
i think people hero her to help minimize likelihood of someone dying
modern brook
real talk, 3rd boss is only hard because it has 2 must do mechanics and a target swap
getting ur dps not not be retarded is impossible
dusk locust
hard part is just the axe dot
"someone's losing a head"
otherwise the boss is fine
uneven mason
you mean Severing Axe?
yeah
that one is rough
its not HoV one shot stupidity rough though
dusk locust
yeah so the choice ends up being are you lusting to minimize that or to get through zul fast
and that either depends on comp, or on our ability to kite zul
uneven mason
Its one of those, "Does you has paladin?"
dusk locust
there's a racial that drops bleeds right
dusk locust
and isn't there a luffa or something that can drop bleeds now that i think about it
dusk locust
i had one in legion
uneven mason
luffa is expansion locked iirc
dusk locust
ah
uneven mason
doesn't work above 115
dusk locust
if something like that existed i'd bring a pile to king's rest for sure
what with berserkers and axe boss
uneven mason
I do love that KR is basically a long marathon slog through molten shit and then the last boss is like stealing candy from a baby
oblique garnet
until you get feared during bladecombo and the boss just hits you in the back
it hurts
sand egret
because its cast at more than 30 sec intervals
cinder nova
Just fear ward 4hed
sand egret
needs more dorf priests
sand egret
yeah cool and bad for the game can often go hand in hand ๐
but I did like that aspect tbhj
wouldn't really work in today's world
cinder nova
Things like fear ward that made onyxia a meme needed to be baseline
sand egret
racial differences to the same class was a neat twist
cinder nova
But I think more cool minor racial utility would be way good
cinder nova
But Activision has been carving away at development cycles like an idiot with a nice turkey
So any of those flavourful picadillos that could be added into the game are never gonna happen
sand egret
oh yeah? which producer told ya that?
charred egret
https://www.wowhead.com/item=161117/berserkers-juju&bonus=4777:1502 someone used it ?
cinder nova
Reaper devs that moved away from the company
sand egret
lol
so people on a non-related team that happened years ago
word
also the publisher doesn't control blizz' dev cycles
cinder nova
??? Blizzard stock is in a freefall
cinder nova
And Activision literally set up a CFO to basically nickel and dime
cinder nova
You'd have to be blind to see how the artistic integrity of Blizzard is collapsing after Activision saw how much money OW made on release
sand egret
how does this have to do with their dev cycles
uneven mason
Activision has nothing todo with BLizzards development
sand egret
i get the meme reddit spew
uneven mason
They're not a controlling entity
sand egret
but like i'm talking like actually how they work
and if you have actual insight into their dev process
which it appears you dont
cinder nova
So all these half finished products suddenly bring shoved out the door since Activision's acquisition just are coincidence
sand egret
it's fine to admit "i dont know how game companies actually work" but claiming stuff like they're cutting dev cycles (which btw, is already a funny term to use) is kinda silly when you have nothing other than "omg blizz stock"
still waiting for actual facts not feels
cinder nova
Dude look at their earnings report
sand egret
i have
still waiting to see how that matters to Blizz, and more specifically to this case WoW devs, and their cutting dev cycles
cinder nova
Every game has been suffering in both quality and PR. Do you think you have a good answer to why?
sand egret
lol
"every game"
also, cutting dev cycles =/= reduction in quality
but I digress
or whatever "cutting dev cycles" means in your case
primal crypt
LATE
ember arrow
Blizzard shill smh
primal crypt
USE THESE POTIONS LOL
cinder nova
If your Dev cycling is shorter you have less time to achieve anything
sand egret
please state your definition of "dev cycling"
since this is going to be a shared term in this convo, just wanna be on the same page.
cinder nova
Planning, testing, implementation, etc.
sand egret
what is cycling?
those are very general things yes
that's also called, "development"
ember arrow
Arguing online is like jerking off a castrated dog. He wont thank you for it and all you get is wrist exercise
sand egret
no different than randomly trolling a forum for a game you "don't play"
but hey, some people like it
ember arrow
Idk why ppl defend billion dollar companies. They dont care bout you and arent your friend
sand egret
i dont defend billion dollar companies
i just hate ignorance
esp when people spout shit they clearly don't get
ionic ridge
@sand egret Go easy on him boi, not all the pleb has IT background
@ember arrow none of what he said defended blizzard
ember arrow
Right
ionic ridge
But cutting life cycles made me laugh xD
sand egret
it's not IT, Doshka, it's literally people talking shit about my actual friends
the "dumb blizz devs" are the people I know that a) love this game more than most and b) work really fucking hard every day on it
so, as a dev myself, i get triggered
sand egret
for that I apologize
ionic ridge
I you got friends at blizz , send them my regards cuz these guys are working really fucking hard under cruel circumstances
ionic ridge
@ember arrow i get his point tho, he's defending the devs, people whose job is to implement what the guys above them told them to
ionic ridge
It's like insulting the waiter when the food isnt good
astral crystal
@sand egret are you the long prophesized undercover blizzard employee?
dense flame
Regardless if your not responding to player base in terms of what they feel/want. With the addition to a drastic difference in player/dev โgame visionโ thereโs obviously something missing
Dev or director idk terminology
ember arrow
Except @ionic ridge he doesnt want me asking the waiter to ask his chef why food sucks
sand egret
blood, that's actually a loaded statement but I get you
ionic ridge
Devs*
uneven mason
To clarify something here that is really an overlaying issue.
Players have no say in the content they consume (we're not customers, we're consumers) This insanity that players should have a say in how the game plays is as assinine as the people who write letters to George RR Martin demanding that he ressurect their favorite characters.
sand egret
simply put, communication is incredibly hard in a machine that large, mostly because information is very in flux while at the same time "slow". there's a lot to go through with and unfortunately whatever the "CM" posts is literally a week long review process
โค mac
that's my spicey boi
uneven mason
WoW is as much a consumedp eice of media as a book or a movie, thinking that they should even give a shit about players vision beyond finding the equilibrium point where the negatives of pursuing their own agenda and baffling the players agenda makes more money than it looses.
cinder nova
Blade I think you're losing the forest for the trees. I never said devs we're lazy or dumb, but rather the financial gatekeeper of the company is putting it's fingers into a pie that's been causing a distinct drop in quality as a result of a tighter girding in the hopes it'll make more money
Also blizzards agility is shit
cinder nova
Communication regarding keys and ak was a fucking flop
uneven mason
See that is also a misconception
cinder nova
And that's not even hard to put out
uneven mason
you as a player Levko BLizard does not care much about
a single vote does not many times change an election
nor does a single player quitting matter
in fact en mass exodus has not had much impact
since marketing a game like this happens in waves
and I assure you
Blizzard/Activision are masters at the eb and flow of bringing players back and then letting them move on for short bursts
they get their infusions of income because they know how to draw an audience, but yes, lets get over this idea that Blizzard or any game development or media creation firm is in any way beholden to what the players want
The developers
fix things because they love the game
and want to see it do well
they do the best with what they're given from on high
uneven mason
Gratification of a job well done matters more to them than the fact that 1 person is butthurt cause their class got nerfed, reason being - the other players feel better about their own class due to this 1 class being nerfed.
๐ Its not even a shill for any one company, its how marketing, development and making money works
ionic ridge
@uneven mason โค
ember arrow
Who is butthurt about a class being nerfed
uneven mason
I was using a "class nerf" as an example of reasons why players raise their opinions
ember arrow
I play whatevers better. Bdk is a joke. So i would hypothetically play warr
ember arrow
Worse than bear in raids
thorn ocean
that's not even close to true
uneven mason
Letting players dictate development "They better listen to me or I'll leave" is more or less as troublesome as price controls in large economies, the reason why it will fail is that while one single person knows their paradigm view, they know very little about the other factors outside of it, at least when you're dealing with a developer making a bad choice from an external point of view, because of what was given to them, you can expect more or less, that the information that it was based on takes far more into account than any single person, or department can reasonably assimilate.
thorn ocean
BDK has the lowest death % and still highest representation in 6/8M or higher in ULdir
uneven mason
*endrant
thorn ocean
It's 8.1 data, but sure
thorn ocean
BDK scales with gear, it's always been that way
ember arrow
Top tanks are atm monk>warr for raiding
thorn ocean
they are always weaker at the very start of a tier
uneven mason
@thorn ocean BDK is weaker than bear in raids right now, however they still hold very strong utility, also, most tanks are just not going to flat out swap to another class for farm content, BDKs are extremely geared due to their dominance at the start of the Xpac, however. I'm pretty sure we're going to see them fall off in 8.1.5
ember arrow
Go to acherus. You vastly underestimate bdk nerfs
uneven mason
John - we're end tier right now, BDK got nerfed hard in raw EHP
uneven mason
was gonna say WoTN was 7% by itself iirc
thorn ocean
There is a spredsheet on Archerus
uneven mason
K
uneven mason
So you're going to tell Levko here that he's wrong about BDKs?
ember arrow
He is
uneven mason
Even I'm not that obtuse
thorn ocean
the EHP reduction is calculable
ember arrow
Together with m K value
thorn ocean
there's no reason to speculate about it, and it varies by gear
uneven mason
I mean sure BDK still has a lead in M+
no where close to what it was before
that's all about utility
but you gotta facetank some things
and thats where they're massively hurt
I think what also might be a misconception
is that the idea that BDK were horribly more "tanky" than warriors to begin with
oblique garnet
@primal crypt LUL
uneven mason
we were literally equal in Uldir
thorn ocean
warriors still struggle a lot with magic damage
primal crypt
HOW
thorn ocean
BDK's "mitigation" is self-healing with will reverse magic/physical equally
uneven mason
I know the spells name has INGORE in it
thorn ocean
warrior can reduce 50% of incoming magic damage
oblique garnet
2 chested atal got lucky LUL
uneven mason
but don't ignore, ignore pain
ember arrow
It was 12.8% calculated when the changes dropped
thorn ocean
ignore pain is great, but spell reflect needs a buff
ember arrow
Before it got on wowhead
thorn ocean
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZyqGy5vIZhcPS6LSHdvwOaFWS_dogWbbhQmI8oTySz8/edit?usp=sharing
specifically for my BDK it's 8.5% in Uldir
uneven mason
I walk about of Mythic zek combo around 85% health
uneven mason
That being said
If you think warriors are weak vs high magic damage
or that BDK was amazingly stronger
you didn't know either class, Warriors lacked 1 thing
utility
(still do)
thorn ocean
I play both classes and understand them well
BDK > Warrior at magic mitigation
it's crazy to pretend that's not true
AMS + self-healing vs % mitigation
Warrior >>> BDK at physical mitigation