protection

[uneven mason]

20% Is about the highest I've obtained and thats at 49.8% haste in Uldir

ALso, you won't NEED more than 20%

[junior igloo]

Yeah, I think I gave haste some value based on Anger Management separately (I did some math on it at some point), but I don't remember the exact specifics to be honest
@neon tangle

[uneven mason]

due to how SB works

I should explain it thatway

if you're using bolster as a gap closer

[smoky oak]

any fat eu horde prot warrior wanna come blast a 10 as only prot warrs?

[uneven mason]

which I expect we mostly are

than 20% Is about what you will see.

because you've gotta look at effective uptime

and not just raw uptime

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason If you're explaining for me I dig it, more just commenting on how AM makes prot a lot less friendly to simming in spreadsheets

[uneven mason]

yeah, that is true

variables in rage budget

[oblique garnet]

Blasting 10s as a prot warrior only?🤔

[smoky oak]

hell ye

[uneven mason]

I'd be up for it if I was at home

[oblique garnet]

I have to finish up some school stuff

[junior igloo]

I think I looked at some logs to figure out how much of our rage generation is affected by haste (shield slam CD, thunder clap CD, autoattacks, cooldowns on Avatar/DS) compared to how much isn't (enemy autoattacks etc.), but again, it's been quite some time since I made that 😃

[primal crypt]

Blasting 10s

As prot warrior

Yikes

With fellow prot

[junior igloo]

It was mostly needed for Ignore Pain contribution and a bit for AM cooldown reduction

[last loom]

https://plays.tv/video/59e7bffb659c4e7bd1/mvp?from=user mythic KJ what do u guys think of this play?

[chilly brook]

I need to get smash

[sand egret]

dang i missed a fun convo

my 2 cents: people who use pawn but don't understand why things are weighted as such and just use it to see if the green number is higher hurt the game in the long run

but that's a diff soapbox 😃

[open bluff]

just imagine if we had working prot sims we could just laugh at everyone who comes in asking about noxxic's "strings" even harder than we already do

[chilly brook]

Noxxic 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

[limber tulip]

speaking of noxxic strings

does anybody have one

[mellow quartz]

Meifferts point was that everyone basically uses their own pawn string already it’s just in their head.

So you can just as well plug it into pawn.

Same shit

[open bluff]

my point is pawn is detrimental for the game and should be burned

[mellow quartz]

Not really no

[chilly brook]

Pawn was far from detrimental for the game in legion

[mellow quartz]

Just a visualization tool

[chilly brook]

It’s like saying sims are detrimental for the game

[open bluff]

for the specs with working sims (basically everyone but us), you have to sim every single upgrade to keep pawn relevant because it's only useful for a single upgrade

[daring marlin]

top gear baby

simming stat weights is garbage

[open bluff]

exactly ^

[lusty grotto]

but top gear does take stat weights into it, it just skips that part

[open bluff]

with raidbots being a thing pawn is superfluous and most people who use it don't understand how to use pawn properly

[chilly brook]

It’s not though, and I mean it’s not like it’s hard to keep pawn up to date

[mellow quartz]

For tanks and healers it can make sense.

[chilly brook]

Every time you raidbots you basically get a new string anyways

[mellow quartz]

If you have a weight for different stats you can just plug it in.

[open bluff]

it's not, but it requires effort and expecting the average wow player to put in effort is

[chilly brook]

Pawn is just a nice way to keep your next gear decision in game instead of tabbing out

[neon tangle]

Right, I think used properly pawn (or just some generic add on) could tell you what gear to use for prot

For dps though, you always need to sim

[open bluff]

that's my point though griff, it's useful exactly once

then it requires a new sim

[mellow quartz]

We are in prot though.

[daring marlin]

What even is this discussion?

pawn is garbage

anyone that says otherwise is lol

[ember arrow]

^

[neon tangle]

It’s not even useful once

[ember arrow]

👋

[chilly brook]

It’s not rock solid that it’s useful only once

[lusty grotto]

im with guilfart on this one

[quartz lake]

So harkening back to an earlier convo....no matter what iLevel trumps stats? If I have a 390 belt with crit/vers it's better than my 370 belt with haste/master + haste gem?

[chilly brook]

It’s just a tool

[neon tangle]

Stat ratios can flip talents, make you swap around trinkets, etc

[quartz lake]

Doesn't seem right

[chilly brook]

It can either help you if you use it correctly or it can hurt you it not

[lusty grotto]

yes @quartz lake

[mellow quartz]

The point is you give different stats a weight I your head already to evaluate which items you equip. So why not just add that weight to pawn as an example.

[lusty grotto]

str + armor + stam > secondaries @quartz lake

[quartz lake]

kk thanks @lusty grotto

[chilly brook]

@quartz lake all of our secondaries are close enough that sacrificing ilvl isn’t worth

Generally speaking

With Vanguard buffs as well ilvl has become even more important

[broken roost]

Rings being the sometimes exception, but usually no more than 5ilvls there

[quartz lake]

In the case of uldir gear with the uldir secondaries, it's better to wear that in uldir vs. a chest without?

even if lower ilevel?

[oblique garnet]

If its your only uldir piece yes

[lusty grotto]

azerite gear does not have secondaries

[ember arrow]

i jus got an email

[quartz lake]

kk

[lusty grotto]

but yes RA is more important

[oblique garnet]

Assuming you have 10 stacks of RA

[ember arrow]

"the battle for darkshore has begun, Levko"

wtf is this

[daring marlin]

top lulli

[chilly brook]

New warfront

[oblique garnet]

Blizzards way of saying you need to resub

[neon tangle]

The horde needs you @ember arrow

[lusty grotto]

use your highest ilvl RA piece @quartz lake , in that case

[ember arrow]

im good, playing warframe, a free game with 56x the content

so they want me to resub

by telling me about warfront

[chilly brook]

Lul

[ember arrow]

warframe makes me wanna spend money

wow made me stop spending money

oh btw

pawn is terrible, why were we even talking about it

[oblique garnet]

Warframe yikes

[uneven mason]

cause folks gotta ask questions about stats

and inevitable the "whats my pawn weights" comes up, and the dude hasn't updated pawn since like patch 7.1

[ember arrow]

the guy who made pawn?

[chilly brook]

Warframe is fun

Been enjoying it on my switch

Octavia is dope

[neon tangle]

yeah but who wants to be a space robot

[chilly brook]

Space ninja*

[ember arrow]

the story get sfreaky

[ornate mulch]

whats up guys new prot warrior here

[chilly brook]

You’re actually a mix between a ninja and a psyker from 40k

[ember arrow]

tfw story about space ninjas is more interesting than anything bliz comes up with

@ornate mulch welcome

[chilly brook]

In a living suit

[autumn cosmos]

is laser matrix still sketchy

[chilly brook]

Like warframe story is really interesting tbh

[neon tangle]

hello @ornate mulch

[chilly brook]

Welcome @ornate mulch

[ornate mulch]

thanks guys how is everyone

[chilly brook]

Good

Off the bat lemme say the pins will answer most of any questions you might have, anything else we’ll gladly answer

[ornate mulch]

awesome ill check them out then:) one thing i did want to ask is if there were any WA that you guys recomend

[chilly brook]

Khakans

[neon tangle]

There are a few in the pins

which cover IP + block + deafening crash

[ornate mulch]

ill check them out thanks!!

[limber tulip]

@ornate mulch hey im new here too

wassup

[oblique garnet]

@autumn cosmos yes its beyond broken

[neon tangle]

@limber tulip rerolling from BDK?

[limber tulip]

sure

[ornate mulch]

@limber tulip glad to meet you man

you guys are very welcoming by the way stoked to tank my ass of as a warrior

[limber tulip]

gonna be tough chilling here

no emotes

😰

[oblique garnet]

No toxicity either

[limber tulip]

????

[chilly brook]

[limber tulip]

u have @ember arrow in here

[chilly brook]

Levko is everywhere

[limber tulip]

same

[chilly brook]

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but he is like a garden gnome you can just ignore him

[chilly brook]

[oblique garnet]

Jkjk

[ornate mulch]

im rerolling from MW monk so def a big change

[limber tulip]

have u ever tanked before

[chilly brook]

Yea that’s definitely a change

[limber tulip]

top advice i would give u if ur just learning warrior is, slam the shield smash and liberally use your CDs

[ornate mulch]

yea i tanked blood dk last raid tier in mythic

[limber tulip]

pog

another period lad

[ornate mulch]

yea that seems to be the general thing that iv been reading

[oblique garnet]

Keep up shieldblock and smash thunderclap

[ornate mulch]

thunderclap the world got it

[chilly brook]

I’m too lazy to really give flat out advice without specific questions rn but I’ll say that my video is still for the most part accurate with the main change being that IP is off the GCD now and you would now prioritize Shield Slam over TC after you’ve extended DC by 6 seconds

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[primal crypt]

Did we acquire new fotm

Who is it

[oblique garnet]

2

[ornate mulch]

griff i think i just watched your video

[chilly brook]

Maybe

[ornate mulch]

yea haha just did the rewind

[chilly brook]

Did it have a good old click baity “you’re playing wrong” thumbnail?

[ember arrow]

@limber tulip what

[limber tulip]

ur toxic

[ornate mulch]

it was the beginners guide

[chilly brook]

Ah yea all of that’s still relevant and will remain so until they make major changes

[ornate mulch]

awesome!! good shit man

[oblique garnet]

Griff im not sure about that advice tho

[chilly brook]

Which part specifically?

[oblique garnet]

Prioritising shield slam after first 3 tc

[chilly brook]

Oh

[oblique garnet]

It got me thinking

[chilly brook]

Well that wasn’t really from me

It was from Marok

And really it’s more of a ST thing

[oblique garnet]

I dont pay that much attention to my rotation other than sb and ip + demoshout uptime

[chilly brook]

TC would be more important on aoe

[modern brook]

hahaha

maybe u should be

an anti-toxidant

anyways ttyl

[chilly brook]

But SS on ST would be a net gain after the extension

Mainly because of the extra rage

[modern brook]

TC deals more damage than SS in avatar

[oblique garnet]

You can tc and shield slam basically everytime you get a proc

Inbetween

[chilly brook]

It’s not because of the damage

Idk

It wasn’t my advice, just advice I’m relaying

[oblique garnet]

Ye ye i get it

[modern brook]

like if u SS->tc->d e v e s t a t e gives u a reset? do u SS or TC there? is that the scenario?

[chilly brook]

Yea

[oblique garnet]

Im trying to think how i play on ST

[modern brook]

i still say TC

[ornate mulch]

ok now i see the video that you were talking about

[uneven mason]

you SS

unless going for DPS

and you ahve more htan 1 target

[oblique garnet]

Its one of those things that comes from muscle memory

[modern brook]

nah heres my stance

IP/SB/LS/SW

all off gcd

[uneven mason]

because you don't need to press TC for max DS uptime naymore (3 extends at most)

[modern brook]

if one of those isnt available

and you're dying

something else fucked up somehwere further down the line

[uneven mason]

^^^

[modern brook]

if ur THAT rage starved ur doing something wrong

[uneven mason]

^That

[modern brook]

tc>ss>everything else during avatar

[neon tangle]

You are agreeing with him, but he's saying that you should TC instead of SS

yall need to work that out

[modern brook]

he can agree with my reasoning and not my conclusion

[primal crypt]

You know what I'm guilty of

[modern brook]

yes.

[oblique garnet]

You use thunderclap everytime its off cd for the shield slam procs even after the 6s

[uneven mason]

So like

[primal crypt]

SB during LS

[modern brook]

same Yam

[primal crypt]

i always fuck up a couple times a night

[uneven mason]

right so you sitll use SS over TC

more or less

[primal crypt]

Somewhere

[oblique garnet]

Only if you get procs

[modern brook]

I have to adjust my WA's cuase I have like aduration bar for SB, and a different one for LS

[uneven mason]

Unless

[primal crypt]

In my brain, I cant not hit SB

[modern brook]

but i dont have the SB duration tickig w/LS up

[oblique garnet]

And its off cd

[modern brook]

so my smol brain dies

[uneven mason]

🤔 obviously you don't press SS if you don't have SS available

[oblique garnet]

But its not really prioritizing SS

[median wigeon]

did stoneform remove necrotic before or only since 8.1 since it was moved to a physical ?

[uneven mason]

SS = many rage

handle it

Does it remove it now?

[median wigeon]

100% yeah, loving it

[uneven mason]

BIG DICK DARK IRON PULLS FOR ME TONIGHT CHOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[modern brook]

hey look! its utility BDK doesnt get

[median wigeon]

man it's so fucking fun resetting a 50 stack to keep smashing. almost died to raging a few times tho

[neon tangle]

@modern brook would be nice to get sims, I'm curious how much dps you would gain by going for SS > TC

since it would get you back in to avatar -slightly- quicker

[oblique garnet]

How

Just what

[sand egret]

HOLD UP

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet SS gives you more rage, which feeds in to AM, which lowers the CD on avatar?

[sand egret]

IT REMOVES NECROTIC NOW

[oblique garnet]

Yes sadbox yes

[sand egret]

back that shit up

[modern brook]

i think lates talking about did

[oblique garnet]

But thats not the point atm

[sand egret]

omg

[oblique garnet]

Like obviously you use SS everytime its up

[primal crypt]

What the fuck

[oblique garnet]

Warrior 101

[neon tangle]

I feel like nobody is readying what @modern brook is saying

[primal crypt]

You can remove necrotic

Wat

[sand egret]

apparently

[modern brook]

plz stop atting me

[lusty grotto]

brb rerolling dwarf

[modern brook]

the discord noise is so fucking loud

[sand egret]

you couldn't in 8.0

[oblique garnet]

Nimchip no!

Dont turn into alliance

[sand egret]

it would remove Greivous but not necro

[lusty grotto]

ok ok Late, rerolling dwarfETTE

😄

[oblique garnet]

Oh jesus

[modern brook]

:vom:

[oblique garnet]

You are a sinful man

[chilly brook]

@modern brook hi

[sand egret]

guess I gotta put off my Nightborne xfer...

[uneven mason]

@modern brook is somethign wrong?

[primal crypt]

Wtfffff

[modern brook]

yall are actually the worst

[primal crypt]

That better be a bug

[chilly brook]

Lol 😘

[primal crypt]

Stoneform would be too op

[outer dew]

yea boi

[primal crypt]

That's insanely strong

[sand egret]

it's already insane

[outer dew]

come to alliance nimchimp

[supple path]

Anyone tested how BoP works with necrotic now?

[primal crypt]

I mean, I like dwarf anyway

[sand egret]

it's a freaking self-cloak

[modern brook]

would u say its more or less op than arcane torrent

[primal crypt]

Bop still works

[modern brook]

:^)

[primal crypt]

Stoneform is wayyyy stronger

[supple path]

Does it straight remove the stacks instantly, Yamo?

[sand egret]

but we're not paladins

[primal crypt]

Than torrent was

[chilly brook]

You all are literally making me want to be DiD

[modern brook]

i say let them have it

[supple path]

I group with a holy paladin a looot

[primal crypt]

@supple path yup

[sand egret]

self-reliant > other cooldowns

[oblique garnet]

Its not stronger than torrent

[modern brook]

alliance needs sometihng

[oblique garnet]

With all the adds

[primal crypt]

Bop and insta cancel aura

To reset

[supple path]

@primal crypt Cool, thanks.

[sand egret]

it's 100% content relevant

[chilly brook]

Oof

[supple path]

Yeah that's gonna be a big help on certain pulls.

[lusty grotto]

that moment when you bop the tank on your HPal and he doesnt remove it

[chilly brook]

I just realized

[primal crypt]

But necrotic

[chilly brook]

If I faction changed

[primal crypt]

Our freaking bane

...

[chilly brook]

I’d not have DiD available

[primal crypt]

Im so pist right now

[supple path]

@lusty grotto I spent 3 years with cancelaura BoP, salvation, divine intervention, etc. bound to every hotkey, lol. My goddamn guildmates were the worst.

[sand egret]

if you have mag'har you'd have to change > do the quest > race change

[lusty grotto]

got 380 disc of indomitable

[chilly brook]

I’d have to faction change unlock and then pay for a race change 😑

[lusty grotto]

:x

[oblique garnet]

Necrotic is a joke with right team comp

[sand egret]

again

[modern brook]

when i played Demon hunter i rebound every key on my keyboard to chaos strike to prove a point

[sand egret]

self reliance

[lusty grotto]

rip vector deflector with socket

[sand egret]

vs needing a comp

[primal crypt]

Self reliance

[oblique garnet]

Again good on one week

[primal crypt]

Less brains to communicate with

[oblique garnet]

Compared to all

[sand egret]

context relevant

[worthy dagger]

is that 385 alchemy stone any good?

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet but we're talking about right now

And how mad I am

Right now

[oblique garnet]

Stop being mad

Just be happy

[primal crypt]

I cant

I want stoneform

[sand egret]

but tbh, every week has bad debuffs you can remove lol

this week has one that's just WAY worse

[oblique garnet]

Yeah yamorino and i want a code with 0 bugs but we cant have everything

[sand egret]

tbh there's more bad debuffs than stuff to AoE dispel

[primal crypt]

Invaders

In siege

[oblique garnet]

Fence hop my man

[primal crypt]

Yuck those poisons

I do

[sand egret]

or hit a button

[primal crypt]

But still

Yuck

[quartz lake]

Wait what do DiDs have that's OP?

[sand egret]

it's the racial they kinda share with dwarves

[oblique garnet]

Radial

[sand egret]

which is a self-removal of ALL debuffs

[quartz lake]

oh shit son

[primal crypt]

^

[neon tangle]

I mean, DiD has a pile of good racials

[sand egret]

well, all magic, disease, poison, curse and bleeds

[primal crypt]

Bleeds, poisons, necrotic

[neon tangle]

4% faster indoors

[sand egret]

no matter how many

[primal crypt]

You know

[sand egret]

or how many stacks

[primal crypt]

No biggie

[neon tangle]

1% reduced damage from physical attacks

[sand egret]

AND DiD gets STR per debuff removed

[primal crypt]

I totally forgot about the move faster

[quartz lake]

It's hard. I've been a human since vanilla. But maybe I race change? Am I race traitor?

[sand egret]

I was rocking a 1400 str buff last night

yummmm

[modern brook]

does each necrotic stack count as a debuff:^)

[primal crypt]

Human swing animation got crushed

[lusty grotto]

i was a human since vanilla too

[sand egret]

does not

[lusty grotto]

i went orc on WoD

[primal crypt]

Might as well go DiD

[modern brook]

bad racial either way

[sand egret]

counts as 1 debuff

[oblique garnet]

All these alliance plebs

[quartz lake]

I'm horny now.

[sand egret]

i'm not blinded, I just know how to call power when I see it

[lusty grotto]

shit that reminds me i gotta work on my rogue

for the alliance races

[neon tangle]

imagine being a mag'har, random secondary increased by 102

[sand egret]

it's very strong and very underrated

[quartz lake]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=265221/fireblood

[sand egret]

because everyone is horde therefore everyone is BE and there happens to be like two major, high-profile instances where it shines

so suddenly it's like omfgg

[lusty grotto]

hey

im no BE

you shut your mouth

[sand egret]

tru

[oblique garnet]

2 instances?

[lusty grotto]

cries in Orc

[sand egret]

minions of zul

[oblique garnet]

There are buffs in literally every instance which you can purge

[sand egret]

are a high profile, perfect candidate for it

as well as debuffs to dispel

the difference is # of people experiencing the advantage, the loudness of their voice, and the profile of the impact

[outer dew]

i mean

minions of zul

you just leap and clap

and berserker rage

[sand egret]

exactly

[outer dew]

smh

[sand egret]

but "any BE can do it" = "easier" = the de-facto best way

[modern brook]

i mean

BE was nuts when it was AoE silence

[sand egret]

which has merit, but my point is there's a larger narrative at play

[neon tangle]

@outer dew Real talk I still get feared a shitload on my DK and press my old keybind for berserker rage

[modern brook]

its pretty good as an aoe purge

[neon tangle]

my brain tells me I'm immune to fear

[sand egret]

not saying it aint

[outer dew]

lmao

at least you can break out of stun now

[sand egret]

but purge is only as strong as the buffs you can purge

[modern brook]

non-argument

[oblique garnet]

You can purge basically anything dangerous

[modern brook]

clearing debuffs is what healers are for

[sand egret]

as well as prevent them from casting

clearing debuffs a) isn't always true

and b) is limited

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I also press my IBF button on my warrior

it's a vicious cycle

[last loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P88eF4rxlYc

[outer dew]

lmao

bless

[sand egret]

can't clear a curse on a MW

how is the healer gonna deal wiht that?

[neon tangle]

It's only going to get worse, my BrM is lvl 50 now

[sand egret]

anyway my point is Torrent is = Fireblood in terms of racial power

[modern brook]

Torrent > everthing because its a 2nd kick

bone shield? more like no shield

[neon tangle]

Yeah but then I'd have to play a belf

gross

[modern brook]

reported for racism

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I JUST REALIZED

my DK is a forsaken

I can break fear

I just never put it on my bars

F

[oblique garnet]

Isnt it just reduced duration?

[outer dew]

LMAO

THIS GUY

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet 2min CD, breaks fear/charm/sleep

[sand egret]

haha yeah it's a self-fear break

[oblique garnet]

Oh damn

Thats a yikes

[sand egret]

super yikes

[brave vine]

my warrior used to be forsaken

i ignored rezan

[uneven mason]

Folks who don't pay attention to racials

[neon tangle]

Real talk I've been playing an orc forever and just macro the damage CD to my abilities

[sand egret]

my ud rogue used to prey on warlocks haha

[brave vine]

lol

[neon tangle]

Didn't even process that there's a useful racial out there for tanking

[sand egret]

and once you have it...

not using feels awful haha

[oblique garnet]

Theres alot of useful racials for tanking

[brave vine]

yeah, i use torrent now for purge

cause i aint bringin a shammy on my m+ runs lol

[sand egret]

i like shammys

personally

[lusty grotto]

i like shammies too because fuck community perception

[brave vine]

i havent been playing much since 8.1 dropped so maybe eles a lot better now, but enh is rough as a melee with only astral shift and ankh

[oblique garnet]

Ele is amazing

[uneven mason]

Elemental shamans are pretty flipping strong?

[sand egret]

enh can do a metric fuckton of damage

so can ele

[stark sage]

yeah ele is top tier dps atm

[neon tangle]

ele is my favorite

[stark sage]

enh is good dps but its very rng

[sand egret]

ele evaporates shit

[uneven mason]

Like

[stark sage]

like outlaw

[neon tangle]

in m+ runs too

[chilly brook]

I’ve had my fair share of really good rest shammies

[neon tangle]

earthquake is fab

[uneven mason]

Enh can stupid burst things down

its utility that they lack (like us)

[chilly brook]

TBH if I had to choose a favorite healer from a toolkit perspective it’s shaman

[neon tangle]

Especially on caster packs since it'll knock down stuff / interupt it

[sand egret]

plus ele shaman have a fast cd interrupt

which is sweet

[uneven mason]

my team the past 2 weeks has been MW/Ele/SPriest/Lock/Prot

[sand egret]

and a healer with an interuppt

[brave vine]

spriest is dope now too, yeah?

[uneven mason]

they're not bad

[sand egret]

they didn't do a good job distrubuting debuffs this time around, as it's heavy on the poison

[uneven mason]

lacking burst

but if I'm doing dungeons with undead

[brave vine]

same as it ever was

[uneven mason]

Spriest is the bombs

[sand egret]

so naturally shaman don't really flex

[brave vine]

yeah wind shear is broken af, on your healer? fuck

[uneven mason]

@sand egret TFW you're a DarkIron dwarf and poisons just make you stronger, just like booze

[sand egret]

muahaha

esp when it's a bunch of lil' dots

[uneven mason]

also SLT is an insane CD

in any situation

[sand egret]

somewhat scary when your hp just jumps

[chilly brook]

TBH I think I just need to say “screw it” and just get my shaman to 120 and play resto

[uneven mason]

they made some solid changes to resto and ele in 8.1

[sand egret]

but then you're like wait...

[uneven mason]

Enhance got some uh, aura buffs

[chilly brook]

Cuz I really love their toolkit

[sand egret]

Last Stand boosting that party wide % with rallying cry

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[neon tangle]

My last few runs have been ele + boomkin

[brave vine]

yeah i've been shopping for a new main, so i don't get sick of the game playing warr for the last 8 raid cycles

[neon tangle]

makes me very happy

[chilly brook]

I’m just bad with resto in pvp

[sand egret]

and earth shield has solid synergy with how we take damage, imho

[uneven mason]

@sand egret Imagine the first time I did that for my guilds Mythic Mother kills, when before they were all butt clenching on the crossover

all of a sudden I'm like Oh btw, I have more HP than the BDK wishes he had

[sand egret]

oh? is that a many-debuff moment?

literally never done that fight

[uneven mason]

Last stand + Rally

in the SLT

[sand egret]

ahhh

[uneven mason]

SO to cross over

[sand egret]

niiice

[uneven mason]

you all stack inside a SLT

and a disc bubble

I tank the boss

while standing in it

[neon tangle]

and DARKNESS

[uneven mason]

with SW/LS/RC going

[sand egret]

darkness slt synergy

is stupid

[chilly brook]

Plus I’d be a good resto shammy and actually use purge

[sand egret]

stupid stupid good

[uneven mason]

so I basically am like worth 5 - 6 other characters

[sand egret]

like, "how is this a thing" good

[neon tangle]

@sand egret imho mythic mother cheese strat is silly fun enough it's worth doing at least once this tier

[sand egret]

would involve "raiding" which also involves a party of more than 5

[uneven mason]

its great

[oblique garnet]

What cheese strat?

[uneven mason]

although we still have me die in the 2nd room

makes the fight close up easier

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet going all through at once

[oblique garnet]

Wait thats cheese?

[uneven mason]

kind've

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[uneven mason]

I Mean

its the accepted strat

the non cheese method

[sand egret]

if it trivializes most of the content, yeah

[neon tangle]

I mean, sorta, I take it blizz intended for us to sorta filter through like on norm/heroic

[uneven mason]

is to cross 1 grou pat a time

but yeah the all at once

allows yo uto just AE burst all the adds down

[sand egret]

sounds like 🧀 to me

[uneven mason]

its not though

[neon tangle]

and not have the boss sitting away from 15/20 people for the first couple minutes of the fight

[uneven mason]

I mean we were doing HC that way

except

she dies in the first room on HC now

[oblique garnet]

You can dps the boss through the wall

[uneven mason]

kind've

[sand egret]

if the intention is to have you not going through all at once due to x mechanic and there is a strategy to circumvent that entire process in an overly simple manner, then that is cheese

[uneven mason]

The intent is that you take a set amount of damage per person that crosses

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet if 15/20 people spend 2 minutes spamming their AoE abilities through a wall isn't 🧀 idk what is

[uneven mason]

if you stack mitigation/healing CDs

you negate that damage

[primal crypt]

Stack mastery?

What?

[uneven mason]

wat

[primal crypt]

Wat

Im back

[oblique garnet]

Wat

[primal crypt]

Im trying to fit in

[outer dew]

stack crit

[primal crypt]

Not stack mastery

Sorry

Stack crit

[sand egret]

stacking a bunch of cds to do it all at once is vs any from of cadence and triage control be da cheese

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

Stack versa

[primal crypt]

Crit build

[sand egret]

stack pvp power

[chilly brook]

Stack intellect

[uneven mason]

DID SOMEONE SAY

CRIT? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[oblique garnet]

I had a warlock whispering me asking how much versa do i have because i could tank a +14 ez pre 8.1

[stark sage]

clearly prot cant do shit unless you have atleast 20% verse

[uneven mason]

looking forward to getting that crit trinket at 395

[stark sage]

🙃

[oblique garnet]

He said that only warrior he had seen who didnt die had 20% versa

I got confused

[uneven mason]

wat

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason as a druid who stacked agil in BC I approve of this message

70%+ dodge fo lyfe

[primal crypt]

Lmaooo

Should have told him

[uneven mason]

😡 druid tanks in TBC

[primal crypt]

You're dodge tank

Ahahahaha

[uneven mason]

LOOK AT MY DODGE

Look at my Dodge

Look at my *CrushCrushCruSPLAT

[primal crypt]

Dodge dick dive

Dock..

Dodge.

Duck.

Dive.

[neon tangle]

Healers loved it, zero damage taken for like a minute

DEAD

[uneven mason]

Druids got good when we had bossewws who couldn't crush

Archimonde

Warriors were passibly "unhittable" in TBC anyway

I stacked so much SBR

[chilly brook]

Never forget, I’ll forever miss these numbers

[neon tangle]

WOTLK was a weird time for bears too

[chilly brook]

RIP original DC

[uneven mason]

Look at my 75,000hp

[neon tangle]

Stacking frost resist gear so you could take the breaths on 3drake

[uneven mason]

WOTLK wasn't bad for bears

but my issues on TBC bears was a ton stacked PVP gear

for crit immunity

[oblique garnet]

97.70% uptime on dw???

[primal crypt]

Dude

[oblique garnet]

Matt

Why are you like this

[uneven mason]

but that meant they had like no avoidance

[primal crypt]

When your dmg was based off block value

[neon tangle]

Not because you needed resist, but just because it has outsized stam

[primal crypt]

My god

That was good times

Prot pvp lul

I was mauling kids

[oblique garnet]

(Its a joke)

[uneven mason]

WOTLK prot, SBV + ArP = ded folks

[primal crypt]

Although, I was on my prot pally

[uneven mason]

gnomergan autoblocker

F

[primal crypt]

I was destroying kids as a prot pally

Autoblocker

F

[uneven mason]

I was destroying Prot pally as Prot warrior

[worthy dagger]

well theres a 3k score prot war

[uneven mason]

"Oh you ahve armor too? (No, you don't)"

[primal crypt]

No one has 3k right now

[sand egret]

gotta replace r.io for warriors with just their live Vers %

[neon tangle]

I miss WOTLK MM hunters too

My favorite hobby was to find people AFKing on their flying mounts outside of ICC

and parachute down and kill them in mid-air

[primal crypt]

I just queue for eye of the storm now

And hold mid

With dragon's charge

Thats3my hobby

[worthy dagger]

the guy is 2958, 3k whatever

[primal crypt]

Link plz

[oblique garnet]

Not a single warrior is above 2.2k

As a tank

[worthy dagger]

im talking about pvp

[primal crypt]

You must be looking at legion lol

[oblique garnet]

Oh

[livid tendon]

why can prot war reflect the ghuun orb thingy

[primal crypt]

Oh

[livid tendon]

PogU

[primal crypt]

Wtf lmao

Ahahahaha

[oblique garnet]

We thought you meant r.io

[worthy dagger]

nah fuck m+

[primal crypt]

@worthy dagger sorey

Sorry

Didnt realize

[worthy dagger]

my bad, i should have specified

[oblique garnet]

M+ is fun

[worthy dagger]

😛

[primal crypt]

Prot warrior that high though?

[modern brook]

m+ is fun :^)

[worthy dagger]

ikr

[primal crypt]

What comp is he running

[modern brook]

prolly prot disc

[worthy dagger]

he plays 3v3

[primal crypt]

Prot...rog disc?

[modern brook]

prot disc havoc?

[primal crypt]

Prot mage disc

[worthy dagger]

theres def a disc

[primal crypt]

Prot boomkin disc

[modern brook]

yeah the point of running prot in arena is to just never die and force the opponents to run out of mana

boomkin could work

probably better than havoc

innervate :^)

plus root->solar beam

[primal crypt]

Prot is just in there for disruption

Booty clap roots

That shit is triggering lmao

[oblique garnet]

God that must be annoying to deal with

Its so much fun i wpvp

[primal crypt]

Yusuf

Yup

Mages blink out

You storm bolt

They trinket

You clap

[oblique garnet]

”Why are you running”

[primal crypt]

Ahahahaha

Omg

[worthy dagger]

the damage is good too, it has no burst potential but youre there constantly stunning, rooting and bringing tons of utility

[primal crypt]

Im making a prot pvp set lmao

[worthy dagger]

safeguard is great for pvp

[oblique garnet]

Also constant aoe damage

[worthy dagger]

and you have 100% upkeep on DS

[oblique garnet]

My friend and i played holy pally prot warrior in 2s

[worthy dagger]

a disc prot sounds better

[oblique garnet]

Yeah would be

It was just for the memes tho

Not serious

We got to 1800

They didnt know what to do against that comp

[modern brook]

@worthy dagger DS is also just permentant iron bark for your team basically

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet ahahahahaha

[worthy dagger]

2.9 rating is insane as a prot

[oblique garnet]

Everytime the opponents tried to kill the paladin

And in the end they walked into the trap of prot warrior cleave

[worthy dagger]

the prot guy use to play with a disc and ww

but thats on legion

idk the comp now

[uneven mason]

Prot in PVP

[worthy dagger]

if you read Boost`s raider log hes always using that alchemy 385 trinket

hmmmmmmmm

[stark sage]

its an on use trinket

and boost shoots for ridiculous meme parses

where you cheese through a massive burst of dps

[oblique garnet]

^

[stark sage]

oh wait vial isnt the alche trinket

[oblique garnet]

Vial is on use trinket tho

[stark sage]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Gives you ridiculous amount or str

[stark sage]

tbh on aoe pad fights, they probably just leave everything up until he procs the alch trinket, then uses the vial and aoes it all down

[uneven mason]

but yeah did some PVP with the new Bodyguard, Moral Killer and Shield Bash

WHO YOU KILLIN - NOBODY

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much keladan

[worthy dagger]

that trinket procs quite often

[minor fox]

How's xalzaix compared to blockades?

the mythrax tank trinket

[worthy dagger]

i dont like myth trinket

[primal crypt]

@uneven mason the uptime on morale killer

[quartz lake]

Running the mythrax trinket cuz it's 390

[primal crypt]

Lololol

[quartz lake]

over blockades

[primal crypt]

Everyone is doing zero dmg

[quartz lake]

still have 355 rezan's eye.

Shoudl I replace rezan with blockades?

[oblique garnet]

No

[sick sentinel]

Any of you guys have a weak aura that tells you if anyone in party/raid is missing battle shout?

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[minor fox]

As it stands my options to swap out blockades are either mythrax trinket, or a trinket with str base and vers proc

[primal crypt]

And i can click mine

To buff

[minor fox]

both at 370

[oblique garnet]

Oh shit yamo

Link it to me

Now

[minor fox]

it's either this or the mythrax tank trinket to replace blockades, any advice?

[oblique garnet]

Mine isnt working

[sick sentinel]

Can you make it so you can’t click it?

And can you link it?

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt

[lusty grotto]

mythrax heroic or mythic @minor fox ?

none of those replace blockades at 370

[minor fox]

heroic

I don't really feel blockades enough tbh

[lusty grotto]

385 or better

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet when i get home i will

[minor fox]

it's either that or I just get a lot of bad luck with it

[lusty grotto]

haste works on blockades, so you're definitely feeling it

[oblique garnet]

Pm it to me so i can get it tmrw

[primal crypt]

But this one shows anyone at all near me that doesnt have buff

And you can click it

[oblique garnet]

You mean party

Or like

anyone

[primal crypt]

Party/raid

Lol

[quartz lake]

Can't you just look at your raid window and see if anyone's missing BS?

[primal crypt]

Yikes

[quartz lake]

I spam mine too often anyway

[oblique garnet]

Wait so it shows everyone on the party who doesnt have it?

Because thats what i need

[primal crypt]

Yup

Party and raid

[oblique garnet]

Nice

[primal crypt]

I should be home in an hour

Lets say hour and a half

Because of stupud traffic

And I give you

[neon tangle]

@minor fox blockades is pretty much the best defensive trinket in the game right now, only really worth replacing when you want to do more damage / don't need the stam

[primal crypt]

And that's when your overall ilvl is higher

To support you dropping the trinket

[minor fox]

I'm 380

[primal crypt]

Oh

[minor fox]

well 378

[primal crypt]

Get you some dps trinkets then

[neon tangle]

^^

[minor fox]

I have 370 rezan's

[primal crypt]

Stop playing around and go booty clap

[minor fox]

but I don't have any deafening crashes sadly

[uneven mason]

Vial/Rezan's is a solid combination

I prefer Jes/Vial

[primal crypt]

Ohhhh yikes

No dc

[minor fox]

oh wait

[uneven mason]

or if you're one of those

[minor fox]

I have one

[uneven mason]

Alchemy/Vial

[minor fox]

nevermind I'm retarded

[primal crypt]

I wish I had a vial

[minor fox]

which

the vectis one?

[uneven mason]

380vial

[primal crypt]

I got two on my dk lol

[minor fox]

or

[primal crypt]

One from the dungeon370

Then a 380 from the weekly chest

[minor fox]

underrot?

[neon tangle]

WTB trinkets on my DK

[minor fox]

I don't think I have it

[primal crypt]

Taunting my own warrior

[neon tangle]

383 equipped, dual 370 trinkets still

[minor fox]

most of my trinkets are dps

[primal crypt]

Underrot im pretty sure

[minor fox]

since I used to be fury

[primal crypt]

Vial

Right??

Uhhhh

[uneven mason]

Underrott correct

that 3str cracks me up

[neon tangle]

3str

[uneven mason]

#Armorytooltips

highest ilvl in my guild, sitll using 😡

[worthy dagger]

rip

[steady fiber]

Hi, guys will they buff warrior more or the off gcd vanguard buff etc that were the "big mechanic change for warrior" from blizz?

[uneven mason]

paladin got a F**KING shield

[worthy dagger]

i bet your wiener got hard when you saw " ^ Upgrade " and then it got soft again when you saw it was 66 speed

[uneven mason]

and a 395 Howler

and I'm all like

[lusty grotto]

why would you want more buffs @steady fiber ?

[uneven mason]

Golly wish I could get rid of my last 370

Holydin got a 380 shield out of AD with me last week

he was gonna give it to me but his highest previously was a 375

😡

[worthy dagger]

next season we'll be stacking bloodsport for that extra leech

[uneven mason]

I'ma use bloodsport for the meme 100% healing parses

[neon tangle]

@worthy dagger better than "indestructible"

[hot locust]

All that leech makes up less healing than a single healthstone or healing pot most likely.

[uneven mason]

But the buff to IP is pretty significant

[hot locust]

Leech is so bad this expac because of the difference between player HP and DPS this time around.

[uneven mason]

Absorbs count as heals for Warcraftlogs

[worthy dagger]

isnt the 5th and 4th ring basically the same:

azerite*

[chilly brook]

I’ll forever miss speedsets

[uneven mason]

still have a warrior at 111

for meme speed farming WOD zones with Aggramar's stride and Timeless Strat

[sand egret]

boy it'd be sweet if we just generally moved 4% faster indoors

[uneven mason]

well, all Xmog

Man

Wish I was a Dark Iron Dwarf

oh

I am

kek

[sand egret]

hek hek hek

@worthy dagger from what i've seen, yes

[uneven mason]

wonder if they'll hotfix the necrotic removal

[sand egret]

with the point that they wont have the same trait

seems intentional, tbh

[worthy dagger]

whats going on with necro

[sand egret]

honestly felt weird that it worked on greivous but NOT necrotic

so at least it's consistent

prob just reclassified necrotic's spell to be a Bleed instead of not having one so it in turn got affected by it

[uneven mason]

Dwarf (both types) can eat necrotic stacks

DID get that yummy str buff from it

big deeps incoming

[sand egret]

tbh 10% phys reduction ain't the worst to have either

[uneven mason]

there are some times when I'd rather than the 10%

[sand egret]

our less spicy cousins still have it pretty good

[uneven mason]

*have

like

Zul

[sand egret]

ding ding

[uneven mason]

but yeah the AP coefficient on IP makes the DID str buff nothing to scoff at defensively

its armor and IP

[sand egret]

also true

[uneven mason]

and some 🍆 damage

[sand egret]

tclap buff baby

raw ap spells

yum

[uneven mason]

I popped CDs got a life barble and ran through like 20 mushrooms in Underott then ate the debuff

[modern brook]

real talk

i made eggplant parm last nice

fuckin baller

[sand egret]

yeah i like that one

[uneven mason]

folks were like WAT

[sand egret]

esp when you don't have a MW

[neon tangle]

wait can dwarfs drop the zul bleed?

[uneven mason]

no

sadly

[sand egret]

nej,. but dorf's stoneform gives you an additonal 10% reduction

[uneven mason]

but you get the 10% Physical Damage reduction

[neon tangle]

ahhh

[uneven mason]

which works vs bleeds

so its a mini CD

[sand egret]

so niche cd

[uneven mason]

quite solid

I mean

it works on shit like shatter

or Mythrax's shatter (auto attack)

[sand egret]

a bit liberal on the usage of "niche" but yeah 😃

[pale vigil]

I got new trinket from Ivus today. That crit on use is actually really cool. Boosts Parry by 11 percent and has a nice str base.

[sand egret]

ironically here I am considering that I may faction change because I've been playing a bit more with my coworkers who happen to be horde = (

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png OG Crit trinket, can't wait to try its little brother

[sand egret]

well, the 1 min cooldown makes it line up nicely with Avatar a lot of the time

[uneven mason]

You really want to be stuck on the "Not Saurfang" side of the factions?

[sand egret]

look, i hate it too

but i'm tanking on my bear over there

and like

[oblique garnet]

Cant wait to kill saurfang

[sand egret]

I wanna stomp shit

[uneven mason]

You wont

Sylvanas will

probably poison

cause she's a chickenshit

YEAH I SAID IT

[oblique garnet]

#SylvanasDidntDoAnythingWrong

[sand egret]

until Vol'jin comes back from the dead to slap the shit out of her

and Baine comes out of the woodwork yelling

"WARCHIEF FIGHT"

[uneven mason]

I want sylvanas to die (again) just so that one writer stops creepfapping to her by writing himself into her stories as her undead lover

[sand egret]

and then we get a SICK fully CGI cinematic of their fight

[uneven mason]

what I want

[sand egret]

I want more of those damn shorts

[uneven mason]

is the CGI of the "mock" fight between Saurfang and Nathanos

[sand egret]

them shits are just soo good

mostly because it just reminds me of how much better a full cgi warcraft movie woulda been BUT i digress

[oblique garnet]

Cba seeing saurfang cry about no honor all expansion

[uneven mason]

what boggles my mind

is they have ACtiblizzard studios making stupid shit like

Skylanders

[sand egret]

i dunno, i'm kinda with him. He's an OG and I'm pretty ok with that

[uneven mason]

when they have all the assets to make a full CGI Warcraft series on netflix

[sand egret]

their storyline doesn't bother me too much

i had hopes for sylv but then those died

[uneven mason]

Saurfang best Ork

[sand egret]

so i'm with my boy Saur

[uneven mason]

He's so Green he's gone black

[sand egret]

well recently

didn't like his Yes Ma'am-ing

but now, I'm into it

he needs to wreck Nathanos

[spice lava]

hows the howler trinket for prot warr?

[sand egret]

it's dope

[uneven mason]

one of our best

[oblique garnet]

Eh

[modern brook]

its another yell button

exactly what we need

[sand egret]

^

[oblique garnet]

Too long of an cd

[uneven mason]

^^

pfft

More yelling

[spice lava]

sick got a 380 from chest today and i have 375 rezan

[uneven mason]

You have my jealousy

[sand egret]

^

[spice lava]

didnt mean to show off sorry

[oblique garnet]

You guys need to do more m+ for them sweet 385 trinkets

[uneven mason]

where is your address so I may cause many contusions upon yourself that I might sacrifice your blood to RNGesus and obtain a Howler of my own

[primal crypt]

It's almost time to go home

[uneven mason]

"almost"

[primal crypt]

Christmas is coming

1 min

And im out

[open bluff]

Did someone say upgrade from chest

[primal crypt]

Omw home @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

Nice pm it to me finally got the code working so i can sleep

[sick sentinel]

motherlode with necrotic hard or nah? there is a ton of dudes in there

Bring a boomie and you're fine

Maybe a fury warrior or a frost mage

[sand egret]

bop + cancel aura macro as well

also note that while there are a ton of dudes, a lot of them have cast times so they're not actually hitting you and applying stacks

[sick sentinel]

You can also get for that 50% party

(Don't btw)

[neon tangle]

boomie, ele shaman

[sick sentinel]

Ele shamans MonkaES

[neon tangle]

cap totem + earth ele + treants + typhoon

much kite