protection

[modern brook]

😦

moce g;pbes mez

fuck

nice gloves nez*

[oblique garnet]

What annoys me more is how many actors get their careers ruined and series cancelled by allegations what happened to innocent until proven guilty

[modern brook]

😦

[ivory oxide]

Imma working, so needs good grip

[thorn mango]

@oblique garnet in this day and age? yeah...........too many people offended by everything in this world,some justified,some that shouldnt be,kinda like the wow community in a sense lol

[warm plinth]

That moment when your right hand is one key over to the right from where it should be.

[ivory oxide]

You can join my group POOP, People offended by offended people!

[daring marlin]

god

[warm plinth]

50%party

[primal crypt]

50%party

Is best party

[warm plinth]

Ain't no party like a 50%party because a 50%party don't stop

[ivory oxide]

Half of the time at least

[ashen trellis]

Necrotic Wound (Was "Rot") is now a Physical Damage over Time effect instead of a Magical.
No longer prevented by Anti-Magic Shell. gg bdk 😄

[warm plinth]

50% of the time, it works every time.

[ivory oxide]

Block able@

[warm plinth]

I think it's funny how that change had to be specifically designed to fuck over a single tanking spec.

[ivory oxide]

?

Oh

[warm plinth]

Nah it's classed as a bleed now

Or well, it operates as one anyway

[ashen trellis]

I wonder if it can be Fireblooded/stoneformed?

[ivory oxide]

Pally can prob still dump it

[ashen trellis]

if so, get like 50 stacks, Fireblood, and one shot bosses?

[warm plinth]

I saw someone say you could stone form it

But I haven't tested it

[uneven mason]

@warm plinth "Fuck over a single tanking spec" you mean, a checkbox on the long list of things that favored BDKs disproportionately in M+ content.

[warm plinth]

Pally can dump it with BoP still but you don't have the benefit of still keeping your aggro like you did with Spellwarding

I wasn't debating whether it was needed/unneeded. I just thought it was funny that it basically only affected one spec.

[daring marlin]

lol

[uneven mason]

Well

This is true

[daring marlin]

Cancelaura is your friend

[uneven mason]

But they have to do something about BDKs

I'd RATHER

they just bring the rest of the tanks up in line

Give us all mass grip

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can still do a BoP cancelaura macro

[uneven mason]

90% snare

and massive self healing

(Kidding on the last one)

rather not take damage than be able to heal it back up

Whats missing in the self healing is a CD that scales with # of targets

[ivory oxide]

Yeah, only keep one mob with bubble taunt, actually a little worse for them too since spell Ward don't drop hate.

[ashen trellis]

If they would make TC like 70% snare slowing dropping down to 20% over time, it would make for much better prot warrior kiting on Nercrotic weeks

[uneven mason]

Well the reason why D&D is super powerful

is because its ranged snare

you don't have to get hit for it

70% snare on TC wouldn't be the same

now

change shockwave to a 90% snare scaling down

and give us the AE stun on Leap

[mild maple]

Give us back non-DR stun on intercept

[ivory oxide]

I like

[uneven mason]

Warbringer

F

[warm plinth]

I actually forgot about the 90% snare talent for DnD

[ivory oxide]

I want our axe toss interrupt back too. Since it's Christmas and all.

[warm plinth]

We were talking about that earlier, how we want Gag Order back

[ivory oxide]

Miss that.

[uneven mason]

yeah getting gag order back would go a long way

[ivory oxide]

Super handy

[uneven mason]

in fixing our M+ issues

[warm plinth]

But they need to make it a CD for the interrupt part, but not for HT

[uneven mason]

Only tank without a ranged interrupt +++

[warm plinth]

I'd hate for HT to have a cooldown

[uneven mason]

yeah the original had a 12s ICD

it'd be 15s now I'm sure

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and then the glyph I think just put a CD on heroic throw?

Can't remember

[uneven mason]

no CD

just 6s "on same target"

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[uneven mason]

I Mean

they literally took it away in the same patch that they removed all of our interrupts

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

because warriors had too many ways to lock caster down

Disrupting Shout, Intercept, Chargex2

[warm plinth]

Well yeah because charge was still a stun then

[uneven mason]

Intimidating shout

Gag order

Pummle

[warm plinth]

I actually forgot about Disrupting Shout

[uneven mason]

DIsrupting shout

Warrior Utility at its finest

Heroic Garrosh

"We got this"

during MC phase "STACK O NTHE WARRIOR"

BOOM no MCs

[warm plinth]

Someone earlier had a pretty cool idea imo; make shield slam knock people back, like the fucking spartans

Class fantasy

[uneven mason]

literally Disrupting then Bladestorm and MC was broken

no

no Knockbacks

well

not tied to a core ability

the original SIegebreaker?

5s stun+ knockback

arms talent?

man I didn't play arms then, so its fuzzy

[warm plinth]

It would never happen anyway, and in practice it would probably just feel weird given that we're a mobile tank. It'd make more sense for like heroic leap to knock mobs back

[daring marlin]

yuck

no

[ivory oxide]

Or suck then in

[daring marlin]

wrenching smash give

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying I want it. Just that it would make more sense.

[daring marlin]

😃

[oblique garnet]

We dont need to be the most op tank for m+

So in that regard we are fine atm

[lusty grotto]

haha that thread about hivemind world pvp in reddit

[warm plinth]

I mean honestly everyone is pretty fine (except druids lul) right now

Some obviously are outliers

But it's not really relevant for the majority of the playerbase

[daring marlin]

I agree. They should give certain dps some tank’s utility.

[oblique garnet]

Yeah killing those hivemind death squads was the most fun during the assault

[warm plinth]

I was actually really happy that they finally gave havoc a taunt

[daring marlin]

I’m sure you know where I’m going with this

:^)

[lusty grotto]

you should read it Late

its some dude that got suspended

[oblique garnet]

?

[lusty grotto]

because apparently he was world pvping in a full group with a hivemind

and then someone goes "i always upvote these threads because eithers its true or OP is full of shit"

and OP was full of shit

CM responded saying its because he was harassing

even after being put on ignore

[oblique garnet]

Lul

I had one alliance warrior trying to blackmail me to send him nudes one night while i was doing wqs

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[oblique garnet]

He wouldnt leave me alone but i couldnt bother killing him

[lusty grotto]

little does he know that your nudes are posted freely on tumblr... oh wait

[oblique garnet]

He just added me to bnet and said send nudes or i will not stop

Reported him and killed him after

[lusty grotto]

rofl

a surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[astral crystal]

just send him a nude bro

[oblique garnet]

Nah

Minor annoyance

Abd possible ban on an idiot

[lusty grotto]

nobody got the tumblr thing 😦

now i feel like a pervert

[oblique garnet]

Everyone got it

[lusty grotto]

damn you closet perverts

[primal crypt]

Late

You know what i realized

Looking through the lfg for keys to stream

[lusty grotto]

that yogurt is best if pre-heated on coffee?

[primal crypt]

When you're looking for keys, there's a bunch of high ones available

[sand egret]

oo that reddit thread is 👌

[primal crypt]

But NA has a bunch of chimps

[lusty grotto]

i dont know man

[primal crypt]

That post keys 2-6

[sand egret]

CM: "naw, you're actually just a douche"

[primal crypt]

There's nothing to queue for

[oblique garnet]

Its pretty low rn on eu

[primal crypt]

All trash keys lmao

[oblique garnet]

But i have streamed mostly after like 2 am

[lusty grotto]

i feel like there's a shitload of bads in 5 through 8

[oblique garnet]

So theres high keys

[lusty grotto]

as soon as i pug 9s, i see amazing dudes

[primal crypt]

Dude, the NA skill cap is well below any other region

[lusty grotto]

then i look for 10 pugs and it's all trash again

[primal crypt]

NA got some dumbasses through and through

[scarlet vortex]

anyone here that tanks mythic uldir, is it actually as boring as alot of ppl say?

[lusty grotto]

so its like morons 5 through 8, decent people at 9s, morons 10 through whatever

[dusk locust]

it's b/c 8 and 9 give you the same loot (i think?)

[uneven mason]

Uh I mean, learning the fights isn't boring Drexigar

[dusk locust]

so people looking for 8 are looking for an easier time

[uneven mason]

but all tanking comes down to muscle memory

very little "tank can wipe the raid" mechanics.

[dusk locust]

i think mythic uldir's as engaging for tanks as anyone else

[lusty grotto]

also ive noticed that pugging 9s and if you time it, which you usually do, people will stay

[uneven mason]

So tanks are probably going to know their dance steps 10 pulls into the progression

[oblique garnet]

Turning voidlash to your raid on zekvoz due to overaggro

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[scarlet vortex]

and bfd? the new tier?

[uneven mason]

and then 40 pulls into the fight you're basically ZZZzzz through while everyone else is stll licking windows

[scarlet vortex]

@dusk locust

[primal crypt]

Im all about helping people, but I get some toxic players in low keys that think they're doing push keys

Lmaooo

[lusty grotto]

not a lot of us did PTR BfD

yellows did

Lala and Sense imo

[stark sage]

i didnt XD

[primal crypt]

400 io scores yelling that we're not doing same pulls as youtube

[stark sage]

i watched some of it tho

[lusty grotto]

Keladan turn your yellow badge in

you're on time out

[stark sage]

:oof:

[oblique garnet]

Do yellow people have responsibilities?

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo i saw that in 7s

[oblique garnet]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

i was like wtf

on me undergeared mage

[oblique garnet]

Yamo you can just pull like half of the instance in low keys

[lusty grotto]

poor magechip needs more io

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet I meannnnn

[oblique garnet]

I tested it

[primal crypt]

Some of these keys man

Are rough

[ashen trellis]

Mythic Uldir, tanking wise was really boring imo. Following TOS and ABT, it's going to be hard to match those two raids in terms of tank mechanics. TOS especially. TOS was be far one of my favorite raids to tank, imo

[lusty grotto]

you can but if youre in shrine... on a 7

[oblique garnet]

You can do fh +2 in 5-6 pulls from 0 to 100% with shroud skip

[primal crypt]

Oh

Yeah yeah

+2

Too low

Gotta at least 7

For double affix

At least

[lusty grotto]

i saw a BrM get destroyed in shrine

[primal crypt]

Or triple affix excuse me

[oblique garnet]

If you have good healer works in +7 also

[lusty grotto]

i mean, magechip saw

[primal crypt]

That's what im saying

No good healers

Recent healer I came across panic no healing

[stark sage]

@ashen trellis you are also comparing the two final raids to this intro raid, mechanics generally need to start out easier

[uneven mason]

yeah I won't do a key if I don't have a guild healer with me

heh

[lusty grotto]

obviously im not magechip, i dont wear filthy rare blue timewalking gloves

or run 7s

[oblique garnet]

Why not mac pugging is a wild ride

[uneven mason]

well higher than 7

[ashen trellis]

@stark sage Yes, you are correct. Thats kindof like comparing EN to Uldir.

[uneven mason]

I pug low keys

for fun

altho this week I've been doing a lot of world PVP

[primal crypt]

For fun

[lusty grotto]

is 7 not low for you guys though

[uneven mason]

for fun

[oblique garnet]

I get added alot and now i have bunch of people asking me to tank their +12s

[primal crypt]

7 is low yeah

[lusty grotto]

i thought anything below 10 was low

[primal crypt]

It is

I mean...i would say it is

But 10 still feels like its the high key for a lot of players

[uneven mason]

6 and under for me

[primal crypt]

Like 10s are extremely hard

[uneven mason]

I'm lazy

[lusty grotto]

but i guess 7 is rough with teeming+fort for the general pop

[primal crypt]

Yeah

[dusk locust]

@scarlet vortex i haven't studied the new raid yet so i'm not really sure what's in store

[oblique garnet]

10s feel like a joke after you have done dungeons on 15 and higher

[primal crypt]

^

[lusty grotto]

for sure

[primal crypt]

You pull 10s like 2s

[scarlet vortex]

thanks :p i'll look up some more stuff

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much yeah

[primal crypt]

I mean. We're pulling 15s likes 2s

[lusty grotto]

not that ive done 15s because my team keeps breaking ccs and shit

[neon tangle]

@primal crypt tbh 10's still feel hard when you have people who don't kick / do mechanics / etc

[primal crypt]

BUT

[sand egret]

it's pretty relative to the server but I'd consider generally 10s are seen as "high"

[primal crypt]

YOU CLENCH

[neon tangle]

I did a 11 SOTS yesterday and solo'd a couple pulls

[sand egret]

on my horde I see way more 12-15s posted than I see on my Alli

[neon tangle]

because the ENTIRE GROUP DIED

[primal crypt]

@neon tangle yeah, I feel you

[lusty grotto]

powershot on fort

[sand egret]

so I think it's kinda relative to your pop

[primal crypt]

No interrupts os a big no no

[lusty grotto]

i always laugh if people die to the suicide bomb thing

[sand egret]

in ML?

[oblique garnet]

It does damage?

On freehold

[lusty grotto]

in seth

[sand egret]

the sneks?

[primal crypt]

Lol

[oblique garnet]

Suicide bomb?

[lusty grotto]

it never happens if you have good dps

[primal crypt]

Pyrric

[oblique garnet]

Ohj

That

[primal crypt]

Or whatever it's called

[sand egret]

honestly don't think I've been hit by that

[lusty grotto]

so you know its their own damn fault if it happens, but its easy to avoid anyway

[primal crypt]

Shit is dangerous

[sand egret]

does it just gib?

[primal crypt]

Insta

Not on tanks

But on dps

Peace

[lusty grotto]

yea dps get de-leveled to 119

[sand egret]

yeah, i had the fun experience 100% derping and not moving from a Cyclone Strike on the first boss

i took each one

[primal crypt]

Whewww

[sand egret]

just instapop

[oblique garnet]

It does like 150k on +10 fortified

[primal crypt]

Cyclone strike

With new buff

[sand egret]

looked at my combat log in shame

[primal crypt]

They need to fix that

[lusty grotto]

is cyclone strike the frontal?

[primal crypt]

People have no idea where the cast started

[sand egret]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

what

[sand egret]

it's just hard to track sometimes

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean where the cast started

[primal crypt]

So many groups are getting dunked by it right now

[oblique garnet]

The boss turns around

Randonly

[sand egret]

cuz he moves his squiggly ass

[lusty grotto]

oh right

[primal crypt]

^

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[primal crypt]

So you have no idea where the strike is headed lmao

[sand egret]

I missed it and just took like 5 nadoes to the face

[lusty grotto]

wtf lol

[sand egret]

you can see it

[neon tangle]

@primal crypt @lusty grotto also honestly, I think 10's are "hard", there's a fairly large amount of knowledge that goes in to them, knowing what to kick, what to kite, what type of damage they do, etc, etc

[sand egret]

it's just fast

[oblique garnet]

And if you are tanking the boss you get hit by 3 of them if you dont see where he turns around

[lusty grotto]

oof

[neon tangle]

I think for the average person that does 1-2 random dungeons each week, it's a lot to know

[lusty grotto]

even in fort week?

[dusk locust]

i thought the change is that when he's casting cyclone strike he follows the guy he targeted

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto even in fort week

It's a one shot right now

[dusk locust]

so you have to be far back enough to be able to dodge

[sand egret]

@dusk locust that'd make sense

[lusty grotto]

oh shit another reason not to run that piece of shit dungeon on tyr

[primal crypt]

If you misstep

[narrow abyss]

It moves faster too I think

[neon tangle]

FOr those of us that run all the time, the mechanics stay the same, so and 30% more damage is something you can deal with

[primal crypt]

I try and teach

But when people say fook you mate and pull the nect pack for you

It's hard to stay tame

Next*

[lusty grotto]

lol classic wow pop

"bro, your talents are kinda wrong" "shut up bitch i'll have you know i'm a ce tank"

"i argued with Marok once"

[primal crypt]

People dont want to listen at all

[sand egret]

ah yeah the changes are just that each tornado can hit

[primal crypt]

In game

monkaS

[lusty grotto]

i mean i gotta admit

[oblique garnet]

Wtf is that ” i argued with marok once”

[sand egret]

went from "meh" to one-shot mechanic....probably shoulda read those notes a bit more carefully

[lusty grotto]

lol you werent around for that Late?

[oblique garnet]

?

Yesterday?

[lusty grotto]

nah was friday i think

that Lova dude

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[oblique garnet]

What day is it

[primal crypt]

That dude

[lusty grotto]

monday

[oblique garnet]

Wtf

[lusty grotto]

wait you're in back to the future land

[primal crypt]

Wanted to hear nothing marok said

[lusty grotto]

lol

guil posted something

[oblique garnet]

Did marok even say anything?

[lusty grotto]

after he said he was CE

[primal crypt]

Wall of text

[lusty grotto]

he was 2/8 and joined an 8/8 guild

[primal crypt]

Marok brought in all the numbers

[oblique garnet]

Fuck

I missed it

[primal crypt]

Dude said, you're wrong, I'm theory crafter

That was his total response

You have to listen Marok, other people theory craft

Lmaooo

[lusty grotto]

i did make myself laugh

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

hmm i wonder if there's a way to link to messages

[round hornet]

https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/523669714464014349

like dis

[lusty grotto]

what is this sorcery

[oblique garnet]

Oh yah i found it

[lusty grotto]

thanks char 😃

[narrow abyss]

All those numbers broke my brain

I just hit thunderclap

[round hornet]

all discord messages have a link, should be in the hamberuger menu of a specific message

to copy link

[primal crypt]

Clap them cheeks

That's all it takes

[oblique garnet]

Depending on your haste tho you get 18s sb on pull instead of just 12s

[primal crypt]

Nothing else matters

[lusty grotto]

i dont see hamburgers on compact view 😦

[primal crypt]

You guys ever crack your sternum area before

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ yamo

[primal crypt]

My chest popped just now from a sneeze

Not sure if worry

Or just continue life

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

[primal crypt]

Oddest sensation

Having chest area pop

[lusty grotto]

the sensible response would be to go to dr

but as a warrior i have to tell you

yes... a pocket healer is nice

[primal crypt]

I mean, no pain...so I guess we're good lol

[lusty grotto]

or ignore pain

[oblique garnet]

Everything cracks

[lusty grotto]

did it go POP

or SNAP?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

or CRACKLE?

[neon tangle]

"Carrying a Munitions Barrel on Knight Captain Valyri no longer slows you."

[lusty grotto]

ok you have a case of the Rice Krispies

[neon tangle]

that fight is sooooo much easier now

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[primal crypt]

Nice little pop

[oblique garnet]

It wasnt hard before either

[primal crypt]

Mhmm

Just had to have everyone help

[oblique garnet]

As long as you didnt move barrels out before the voss

Boss

[primal crypt]

3 barrels there and everyone staring

Because they popped CDS

[lusty grotto]

try running that boss with 3 melee

[primal crypt]

i have

They tunnel

[neon tangle]

You guys must have awesome dps you run with

[primal crypt]

Hard

[lusty grotto]

IM MELEE HURR DURR IM NOT GONNA MOVE SHIT

[primal crypt]

Lmaooo

[neon tangle]

This whole "15s are easy" thing

[primal crypt]

Sadbox we have premade groups

[lusty grotto]

i havent done 15s sadbox 😦

[primal crypt]

Or people we normally run with

[lusty grotto]

my team is retarded enough

[neon tangle]

@primal crypt I do too, they are still bad at kicking

lolol

[primal crypt]

Oh

Cant help

Must move on lol

[lusty grotto]

hey i have a vod of the other day

[oblique garnet]

Call out tge kicks

[neon tangle]

The 385 BM hunter is my group was doing 11k damage

[primal crypt]

Yeah what late said

I assign rotation as tank

[scarlet vortex]

anyone know any prot warr streamers?

[neon tangle]

The 386 ele shaman was doing 16k

[lusty grotto]

they kept saying it was my fault for pulling the entire room of giant boss in siege

[neon tangle]

we're bad

[primal crypt]

So i can tell them when I SR

[neon tangle]

I'm bad too tho

[lusty grotto]

i was like sirs

[neon tangle]

so it's OK

[lusty grotto]

i need to parse

and also i aoe stun

[primal crypt]

Yup

Nim you did it right

[lusty grotto]

if yall can move behind me we can nuke them

[primal crypt]

One pull

[lusty grotto]

and then we did

[primal crypt]

Booty cheeks

Just run from the invaders lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

[primal crypt]

Use the fence

Fence isnbest friend

[uneven mason]

crackling thunder + UF - I can TC and hold aggro while kiting

[primal crypt]

Is*

[lusty grotto]

nahh i just stunned the shit outta them and lusted

[uneven mason]

omnomnom

[primal crypt]

That works too

[lusty grotto]

its fort week, lust for trash week i mean

[primal crypt]

Thats my favorite part of leading

I can call for lust and with no question its always popped

None of that, whyyy

[lusty grotto]

im always leading, but they don't listen to me anymore

[primal crypt]

Save for boss

Especially this week lol

Massive pull i call lust

People pulling 90k on trash

Meters were beautiful

[neon tangle]

"Jes Howlis's Motivating Cry now reduces all damage taken by 90% in addition to the other effects."

that makes

[lusty grotto]

what

[neon tangle]

a lot of sense why that guy took so long last time

[lusty grotto]

pls no memes

[primal crypt]

Oh yeah, you have to interrupt him now

[ivory oxide]

🤔

[neon tangle]

no meme, is real

[primal crypt]

Cant let him sit and cast

[lusty grotto]

oh well

[primal crypt]

That's legit nim

[lusty grotto]

its fine

[neon tangle]

I mean, my group still did this week

[primal crypt]

Have to interrupt and interrupt bobby

[lusty grotto]

not a big deal

just sacrifice the one guy that get stunned

[primal crypt]

Lmaooo

[lusty grotto]

and LoS

[primal crypt]

Bop him

You can interrupt the stun

Btw

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know

[primal crypt]

Dont need to sacrifice

Heartless

[lusty grotto]

i need to LoS again

[ivory oxide]

My groups do

[lusty grotto]

sorry no slapping bobby h

rip the stunned dude

[ivory oxide]

We failed at that last night on a 12,

[lusty grotto]

show him your d

[lusty grotto]

i love pug fellatio

[primal crypt]

Oh yesssss

Thats my healer

[lusty grotto]

ok

[primal crypt]

Had me test out dk warr and brm

[lusty grotto]

well, that's fine too

[primal crypt]

Warr is preferred

[wide girder]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2qywfmhX4VnAMtZG/#fight=13&type=damage-done

❤

[lusty grotto]

kekeke

[primal crypt]

"Dk feels like 1 ply toilet paper right now"

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

they do lol

[wide girder]

broken log and 99 parse

[lusty grotto]

good job sir

now break parses on zul

wait what

27 second fight?

[wide girder]

yes, what is it?

[lusty grotto]

uhh

something's not quite right

[uneven mason]

@primal crypt BDK strength is in never getting hit

same as VDH

Tank like the grasshopper

[primal crypt]

I can't do it

I like getting my face mashed in

[uneven mason]

yeah me too

why I haven't gotten my

BDK past 360

[primal crypt]

Kite tanking is soooooo legion

[uneven mason]

polar oppisite

from war

[oblique garnet]

Only on necrotic weeks you have to kite the invaders

[lusty grotto]

ring of peace

😄

its like a condom for your aids bukkake harem

[oblique garnet]

Treants/ rotate stuns

[dusk locust]

is there some kiting thing people do for zul in king's rest on fortified weeks in high keys?

[dark lark]

I spam IP, spell reflect while rotating shield wall, healer external, last stand

If health drops low during last stand I interception range and leap out of range

And just book it lol

[dusk locust]

ya same. i keep hearing people talk about kiting him but tried it once myself and it didn't exactly work out

wasn't sure if there was a strat to it

[dark lark]

Not really a strat, you just Max range him to avoid casts

He's gonna awkwardly follow you around

Dps should kill him by then

[dusk locust]

hm alright

might give that a try

[lusty grotto]

the only drawback with kiting

is that people don't pay attention to soak circles

usually

[dusk locust]

you can outrange that right

[lusty grotto]

ummm

[dusk locust]

people already actively avoid it

[lusty grotto]

dps will dps those, so if they dont stand in it they will die

i mean dps zul

[dusk locust]

oh b/c they're spawning nearby

i guess i can see that

[lusty grotto]

usually you can stand in any that spawn near you

but the back team has to be responsible for theirs

and of course managing dispels

[sand egret]

i hate that mob lol

although I feel like that mob may be a decent time to do some taunt swaps with a dps and a heavy cooldown like a DK + AMS or WW+Karma or DH +....meta? lol stupid fucks.

maybe even a pet taunt? i've never really tried

[lusty grotto]

lol

pet gets 1 shotted

[sand egret]

#worth

[uneven mason]

Zul is just cancer

on Fort weeks

However

kiting him is easy

you get to max range

and then juke his casts

[sand egret]

next time I bring a dps dk I'm going to try and the ams taunt

[uneven mason]

like step in, then step out

[sand egret]

for science!

[uneven mason]

you can also leap out, run until he clears the room

then get back in and peekaboo

with the corner like 5/6 times

before he reaches you again

make sure your healer is positioned so they can see both lines of effect

I had one healer who lost theirm ind because I explained what I was gonna do

and then they just stood in the corner

and was like I CANT HEAL YOU THROUGH THE WALL

so move - dumbass

[sand egret]

so you pull him out of the room, across the bridge, then you go BACk into the room?

[uneven mason]

mhmm

[sand egret]

all while taking his casts

[uneven mason]

no

you book it

he'll start following

pop some CDs, to get back in

then dance

in that whole cycle your leap should be back up again

if you need to run

but the key is

make sure your ranged are soaking

and your healer is > 20IQ

MW Monks is preferred

cause they'll kite with you

and Lifemarble

is best CD

or Guardian SPirit

but who HolyPriests in M+

[sand egret]

hmm

[dusk locust]

i have a holy priest alt 😦

lol

[uneven mason]

key word - Alt

[dusk locust]

hey now my prot war used to be my alt

[lusty grotto]

the only holy is pala okay

[dusk locust]

who prot warriors in m+ amirite

[sand egret]

yeah I can see that, that initial aggro phase tho

[uneven mason]

400IQ people

[lusty grotto]

yes kauda

it seems like a good time for my quote of the day

[uneven mason]

SR IP and DS should get you through that initial buildup

[sand egret]

yeah that should be aite

when I tried that last, the bridge itself didn't seem to cause LoS

[lusty grotto]

you can't LoS him

only outrange him

he has the only nuke in the game that goes though LoS

[sand egret]

hmm i think you could IN the room

[uneven mason]

I was able to dance the corner

[sand egret]

if i get what mac was saying

I dont think the bridge provides LoS

[lusty grotto]

i dont know, the last time i tried that, it didn't LoS

[uneven mason]

bridge def does not

[lusty grotto]

but iirc

[uneven mason]

U bring

Prot wars for DPS

[sand egret]

but if he gets outranged out of the room, then you go IN the room, I could see the corner

[lusty grotto]

thank yamo for the 3rd quote of the day

[sand egret]

but yeah that initial in-out is prob rough

[uneven mason]

it is

he should be dead

by the time he's back

if not

pray

then again

at +15 keys

[lusty grotto]

how many prayers

[uneven mason]

just kiss your ass goodby

[lusty grotto]

12 hail marys?

[uneven mason]

120

Bears chance at winning the Superbowl many

[lusty grotto]

ok i was off by only a bit

[uneven mason]

Zul on Fort weeks is basically 👢 🍵 🖕

[dusk locust]

yeah my original question came out of trying to do it on a 15 yesterday

[uneven mason]

Yeah at a 15

you blow all your CDs to build aggro

have your healer blow CDs

and then run

like a bitch

[dusk locust]

figured at that point you need some trick. ended up being able to power through it just barely

[uneven mason]

and hope your DPS is > 200IQ

[dusk locust]

but that's not terribly sustainable

[uneven mason]

Its not

[dusk locust]

so yeah i might play with kiting some

[uneven mason]

Leaping out and just booking it

is a time honored tradition of tanks against +400% Buffed trash mobs

[lusty grotto]

gotta go fast!

[uneven mason]

esp when your main power is armor

and the mob just gives no fucks

about armor

[dusk locust]

ayy worgen utility

[uneven mason]

ayyyy

Sprint Potion > healing potion on Zul

[lusty grotto]

yes, worgen utility -> place yourself in all 4s and take it

touch yer ankles yeeehawww

[uneven mason]

but yeah pullin zul

I always make sure I have a ranged by the door

at max range

so I can intercept

and get a good head start

[lusty grotto]

having a ranged in my group

nope not gonna happen

[uneven mason]

VOLCANICWEEK?

[lusty grotto]

though a warlock bud resubbed

[uneven mason]

😄

[lusty grotto]

hes already cancelled cause fuck quaking for casters lol

[uneven mason]

Yeah my guild has hit the "wtf happened to our casters" wall

in mythic progression

like we're on Fetid

and staring at 8melee +2 tanks

and we're like NOPE

YA"LLBETTERREROLLWARLOCK

[dusk locust]

yeah we basically stopped recruiting melee at all

we're well balanced now, still avoiding melee

[uneven mason]

we're casual mythic

[dusk locust]

tbqh might just never grab another melee ever again

[lusty grotto]

would you care for a magechip on yall guilds

[uneven mason]

so they're not forcing people to rereoll yet

but its a problem

on vectis its a problem even

on Zek its a problem

[dusk locust]

it's usually a problem. too much ranged is rarely if ever a problem

[uneven mason]

no melee wants to be the sucker

and step out

"But mah parse"

When eyebeams kills the tank YOU PARSE ZERO

😡

[oblique garnet]

Dont die 4head

[uneven mason]

I'm going to endup being elemental or boomkin before this Xpac is done

because our melee is too flipperhanded to reroll

[lusty grotto]

my friends excuse is always

[uneven mason]

but we're trying to recruit ranged

so

[lusty grotto]

"but caster playstyle is so bad"

[uneven mason]

we basically told these melee who won't reroll

that they're getting benched the instant a mage/hunter/warlock shows up

[dusk locust]

yep once we got to fetid prog i was like "wellp if you're ranged you're in, sorry melee"

ppl started rerolling realquick

[uneven mason]

if the Surv hunter wasn't #1 DPS we'd bench him too ><

[neon tangle]

@dusk locust imagine having enough raiders to do that

[uneven mason]

yeah

thats our issue

some serious burnout

[lusty grotto]

surv hunters 😦

[uneven mason]

on our boomkin etc

Surv is pretty badass for DPS

but yeah

RIP

[lusty grotto]

yes but blizzard with the 300IQ move

[dusk locust]

this tier we were pretty disciplined about keeping 26

[uneven mason]

I know

[lusty grotto]

"lets put another melee spec in the game"

[uneven mason]

"Hey we've added 5 melee specs to the game since launch, KNOW WHAT WE NEED???? MORE MELEE"

[lusty grotto]

this is why we need a ranged tank

[dusk locust]

we got to ghuun and i was like ok you guys put in the work i'm gonna try to keep it to this team. boom next week 18 ppl online

[lusty grotto]

erase fury and make a new spec that's ranged tank

[uneven mason]

Bounty Hunter in SWTOR +++

[lusty grotto]

would roll it asap

damn i forgot bounty hunter

what was the republic version

commando?

only good thing about SWTOR was the story and huttball

rest was shit

[uneven mason]

huttball omnom

[supple path]

The important thing about SWTOR was that I played a tank with a thunderclap style ability that hit for 70% of people's hp in pvp.

They were years ahead of WoW in proper tank design, clearly.

[lusty grotto]

i played marskman/sniper 😦

[uneven mason]

BH healers

best fun ever

[lusty grotto]

mfw the playstyle was shit

hey just take cover here, and remain immobile forever

i then discovered dot spec

[supple path]

Sith juggernaut was 100x the best playstyle - leap in, kill everyone in two AEs, leap out.

[lusty grotto]

still got fucked in the ass by everyone

glass cannon forever

[supple path]

I assume it eventually got nerfed, but did anyone actually play that game more than 6 months after release?

[lusty grotto]

i played a bit after

but rerolled to whatever the fucker with the Darth Maul blade is

inquisitor?

[supple path]

Was so hilariously buggy. My entire raid group duped full sets of gear from a bugged chest and then also got hundreds of extra raid items we sold for gold/etc...and no one ever faced any consequences.

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea how those servers are still up

cause last i played was around... 2 years ago?

and servers were basically empty

[supple path]

It was the best single player MMO experience.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

hold on i have a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkG-eqnJDUg

that was when i reactivated

yep 2 years ago

warning: spanish

[sand egret]

i understand nothing of what is going on

[lusty grotto]

he fucking fell cause he was a retard

[sand egret]

omg that gcd animation 🤢

[lusty grotto]

i mean is a retard

yeah lol

oh i was a shadow

that was inquisitor for sith yeah

i think

[sand egret]

best tank experience was Karok from Vindictus

tank shit? naw

imma suplex your ass

oh you got a big tank busting charge?

I GOT ONE TOO

classhhhhh

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest, the only MMO i play tank in is WoW

[sand egret]

basically, you were a tank that was leveraged as a boss

[lusty grotto]

well i guess that brief Jedi Shadow stunt we pulled qualifies as tanking

[sand egret]

so while bosses knocked other classes around

you could toss the BOSS around

felt so dope

[lusty grotto]

o

[sand egret]

game at least got that feeling right

i legit felt like a beast

or the brawler tank class in Tera

counter-tanking is SO much fun

[oblique garnet]

FeelsBadMan depleted a 15FH because a random pug decided to pull all the useless trash everywhere

[lusty grotto]

dang

i never played Tera 😢

my friends did

[sand egret]

gameplay is fun as shit if you like that type of play

timing/dodge based

[lusty grotto]

yeah like that conan thing

[sand egret]

yeah fundamentally there is no invisible auto-attack leashing like WoW has

[lusty grotto]

i mean the conan mmo, not the survival game that's out now

[sand egret]

so everything is technically dodgeable

so "tanking" with the brawler was utilizing this counter-punch mechanic to take less damage and do a ton more

[modern brook]

tera is too weeb for me

and im pretty weeb

[neon tangle]

@sand egret I really liked the PvP tanking in warhammer online

[uneven mason]

Black Ork

Best Ork

[neon tangle]

is true

[uneven mason]

I was achoppa tho

used to truck around Choppa, Zealot, Squig

and mess folks up

Warhammer had the best answer to greifing tho

High level in low level area? Gratz, you'rea chicken, you chicken

[sand egret]

i never got into warhammer online, nor really much into the game. My coworkers are obssessed with it though and I LOVE the art style/lore of it

"tanking" in a pvp scenario is always a very interesting problem to solve design wise

[supple path]

Warhammer and TERA were both games in the "so much promise, what a shame the end game actually caused cancer itself to develop other forms of super cancer"

[uneven mason]

Well Warhammer suffered from the EA touch

[lusty grotto]

tanking in pvp in warhammer was amazing

[uneven mason]

basically it was launched and then EA Abandoned it

and did 0 marketing after they made their publishers cut

[lusty grotto]

collision and taunts doing something was great

[uneven mason]

same with SWTOR

spent 200million developing a game, made their $$ And turned it into the worst P2P microtransaction peice of garbage ever seen

[supple path]

Yeah, the warhammer quality control was enough to say a hard never again to anything from that whole group.

[sand egret]

can't imagine the nightmare it would be to live dev a system like that

[uneven mason]

"best thing that even happened to Warcraft was gamesworkship backing out of the deal"

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I wish ANY other MMO would tackle it

it was fabulous

similarly, I miss Vigilance

would be nice on vectis

[sand egret]

it's a tough space, sad

because inherently tanks cause a forfeit of agency in a lot of settings which can be extremely frustrating if not implemented with enough feedback

i'm all for the challenge, but it's a pandora's box of design that is tough to tackle (largely why WoW tank classes are basically an afterthought, pvp-wise)

[tranquil sand]

the black orc's "get behind me" and how taunts reduced pvp damage to other targets... damn you EA for ruining this!

[last loom]

what alliance racials are best for tanking?

[uneven mason]

either of the Dorfs

[neon tangle]

shadow meld, obvs

[uneven mason]

Dwarf is remove DoTs - 10% Physical DR (works on bleeds, even ones it can't remove) Dark Iron is same debuff removal, but gives strength (leading to larger IPs)

[sturdy sable]

Don't forget the 2% chance for ranged attacks to miss

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Yeah but with smeld you can skip packs like a pro

[uneven mason]

mebbie

thats some good M+ utility

he asked for "tanking" though

thus far the only use I have for Smeld in raids is to literally kill my DPS when they get uppity

[ashen trellis]

Personally I like the 2% to secondary stats and stun removal from humans.

[uneven mason]

Melding for Zek Void Lash +++

[neon tangle]

There's also the most important alliance ability for people who want to raid: https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-service-faction-change

[uneven mason]

I mean, top guilds are going alliance, didn't you hear

[sand egret]

don't sleep on a self-dispel!

[uneven mason]

top, 5000 guilds

US 5000

kek

[sand egret]

also, 4% faster movement inside

OP

and

[oblique garnet]

Lul alliance

[sand egret]

mole machine because at the end of the day

[uneven mason]

I alwas forget about that 4% dungeon run speed

[sand egret]

transmog is king

and that shit gives you access to every major raid

[uneven mason]

Farming Firelands like never before

literally puts you at the dec

[sand egret]

yep and BRF

and highmaul

[uneven mason]

and Onyxia's lair

[sand egret]

so many

[uneven mason]

Trial and ICC

and Ulduar

[sand egret]

yep yep

[uneven mason]

right in the middle of all 3

Dark Iron, best

[oblique garnet]

Just play horde

[sand egret]

but yeah, dropping bleeds in particular is quite strong if you're picking among alliance

also if your healer can't get X debuff

(sorry shaman)

enters the game with group-wide poison and disease dispels....now can't get rid of either

[uneven mason]

Cleansing totem whats that?

[primal crypt]

[uneven mason]

F

[oblique garnet]

They have interrupt tho

[sand egret]

very true

another person to prevent that spell reflect

[uneven mason]

Grounding totem F

its a pVP talent I know

but that was some tank saving utility

"VOID BOLT? LOL NO"

[sand egret]

imagine that shit on Asshole of Zul

[oblique garnet]

Better to have an extra interrupt than getting casts off on abilities that have a potential to wipe the group

[uneven mason]

remember that mammoth boss in heroic Gundrak

had to interrupt him

[sand egret]

haha yep

[uneven mason]

6second shaman interrupt

[sand egret]

fun times on that achievement

[uneven mason]

every time

just spam it

and you'll nail the interrupt ever ytime

was best

we just played 4 shamans and a warrior in that

and had a rotation

[pastel siren]

So whats your opinion about the current state about prot warriors in m+ now? Its know good?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[neon tangle]

well this week it was 2nd highest after BDK in 15+

so "good"

[pastel siren]

Sounds good

Which trinkets Do you use for m+?

[oblique garnet]

Damage

[neon tangle]

oh wait, BrM overtook it

[sand egret]

dare I ask....viable?

[neon tangle]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict/affixes/fortified-teeming-quaking-infested#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99

[supple path]

The best DPS trinkets you have generally.

[neon tangle]

we were 16.5% earlier in the week shrug

[supple path]

With a preference to things like rezan's or whatnot that provide secondary stats rather than things with pure damage procs.

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah its reset day tomorrow for na

[neon tangle]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict/affixes/tyrannical-bursting-skittish-infested

This was last weeks

our representation ~tripled in a week

BDK dropped from 60% -> 40%

[supple path]

One of those is all classes, one is tank only.

[ivory oxide]

It's the slacker I need a M+ night..lol

[supple path]

or wait

did I misread

[neon tangle]

@supple path must of linked weird

[supple path]

For all that this is a terrible week too, it does feel...less terrible as a warrior.

I have a feeling teeming may end up being warriorweek.

[oblique garnet]

It it werent for quaking this would have been so free

I love it when the melee dps clips me with the quaking when im pulling big and my hp drops

[primal crypt]

I take more dmg from the pugs quacking on me

like ducks

[neon tangle]

Highest timed run this week was a 20

last week was the first 22

[supple path]

Oh god, yeah. I keep checking my meters to see how many more quaking hits I take than the ranged DPS in the group.

And it is enraging.

I'm not saying every single rogue deserves to die, just every single rogue I've grouped with this week.

[oblique garnet]

Did a dungeon with 3 melee

[neon tangle]

f

[warm plinth]

Did you guys miss me? 😉

[oblique garnet]

I took least damage from quaking

[warm plinth]

I know Late did

[supple path]

Was doing a +12 FH or something with a rogue who legit stood on top of me the whole instance.

Never behind the monsters. Never 1 yard to my right or left. Directly on top of me.

[warm plinth]

Melee not standing behind mobs whenever possible is such a huge trigger for me. That was literally the first thing I learned as a new player back in the day.

[supple path]

Yeah, and it's even crazier these days with all the frontal effects.

[mellow quartz]

anyone has a WA that shows the uptime on demo shout and gets updated based on DC?

[oblique garnet]

Marok made one

[warm plinth]

Yeah like every trash pack and boss has some sort of thing that punishes non-tanks standing in front of the boss, it seems like. So you would think that at the very least they would've learned the hard way by now.

[oblique garnet]

Should be on the pins

[mellow quartz]

that is just showing how many more thunderclaps you need right?

[oblique garnet]

Idk

[mellow quartz]

at least the animation on wago only shows that

[oblique garnet]

I dont use it

[primal crypt]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah his WA just shows how many TCs you've cast since casting DS I think

[mellow quartz]

😦

[warm plinth]

I'd offer to make it for you but I'm WA stupid. Late said he'll make you one though.

[oblique garnet]

If you have elvui you can have the enemy debuffs show on top their unitframes

[mellow quartz]

yeah I know but want a big ass icon

[oblique garnet]

It is a big ass icon

[warm plinth]

You can make it even bigger and assier too

[oblique garnet]

That shows the duration

[mellow quartz]

not on the nameplates

as in I dont want it on the name plates

[oblique garnet]

Ah

Wait why not?

[mellow quartz]

to much shit if you pull like 12 mobs

[warm plinth]

Wait, when you say uptime, do you mean like total uptime over a period of time, or do you just mean the current debuff?

[mellow quartz]

I just want an icon that assumes I hit all with TC and updates the demo duration

[lusty grotto]

but

[oblique garnet]

Im confused

Why do you need that?

[mellow quartz]

cause I want to track when demo shouts drops in a big icon

I could just make it 14 seconds I guess and assume I hit 3 TCs inside the period

[lusty grotto]

you can just watch the demo timer on any mob

[oblique garnet]

^

[mellow quartz]

I could do that but that is not what I am looking for

could do many things

[lusty grotto]

you mean 3 TCs outside of Avatar?

[warm plinth]

Can you just make a demo shout WA that changes duration based on your current target?

I don't know if such a thing is possible; again, I'm stupid at WA

If it's possible, it seems like it'd be pretty simple.

[lusty grotto]

it should be

i think khakhan's does it

it tracks your demo shout duration and if you have another demo lined up

[warm plinth]

Yeah because you don't need like...a special DC WA. You just need something that tracks DS on your target. If it's tracking the debuff, it should automatically update for DC anyway

[lusty grotto]

so you don't cast it during it

but im not sure what demo timer it takes... so lets say you somehow miss a mob with Tclap

and do not extend demo on that particular mob

something tells me it just takes the longer duration demo

because honestly that outlier mob doesn't really matter

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I don't think that would affect what he wants it for anyway

[mellow quartz]

I am fine with making the assumption I hit all of them with TC as an example

[lusty grotto]

honestly i don't think you should track extensions anyway

but then again I'm used to hitting TC as a priority