protection

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet Ow my bad sorry !

Blood

[oblique garnet]

Npnp

[outer dew]

if we had

15s demo shout

we'd be mega busted

lmao

[sick sentinel]

Yeah no rage issue 😄

[chilly brook]

I wanna put my forehead through my monitor

[tidal scarab]

Go for it, maybe then you'll stop comparing everyone as equal in this game

[sick sentinel]

if you take like top 300, u are just low ^^ but how you can decide what mscore is the line beetwen casual and "serious" player?

[quiet crane]

Rage issues ^

[tidal scarab]

Griff the sjw of wow

[quiet crane]

You can’t lol dym

[chilly brook]

Clearly I'm not comparing everyone as equals?

[sick sentinel]

yea

indeed u cant

[quiet crane]

There’s no line

Period

[oblique garnet]

What the fuck thats not how it works blooddemo how dense are you

[wary plume]

R.io has a line

[chilly brook]

That's why I said anyone with an 1800 score or above is sub 1%?

[quiet crane]

Even I’ll argue in on that one

[wary plume]

Based on its server spacw

[tidal scarab]

You are because you take the % out of everyone who has every done a key

[wary plume]

Does no one know this?

[chilly brook]

No lmao

[wary plume]

R.io doesn't track low keys

[oblique garnet]

Rio doesnt include everyone who has ever done a key

[tidal scarab]

What do you mean

You can have a +2

[chilly brook]

I took the percentage from everyone who has ranked on io

[tidal scarab]

And rio will give you the score for it

[ember arrow]

blooddemo, you make no sense, thats not how statistics work

[wary plume]

It doesn't rank them though

[chilly brook]

And you have to have a bottom somewhere

[ember arrow]

you take everyone who participates in something

[wary plume]

You need a minimum score for it to rank

[sick sentinel]

Rio tracks low keys bcs if u doin 2s just after reset and u are on leadboard in top 500 just after reset

[ember arrow]

you dont make an arbitrary definition of whats good

[sick sentinel]

u will get this score from 2s

[quiet crane]

I feel sorry for every guy trying to get help atm with their warrs

[wary plume]

You get a score but you're not on the board

[chilly brook]

Same @quiet crane

[quiet crane]

Getting drowned out over fucking numbers

[tidal scarab]

What is the 500th rank then?

Score wise?

[quiet crane]

Anyone who needs something just ping me until it settles down I know most things

[chilly brook]

Look it up?

[quiet crane]

Do you two stream or make vids?

[tidal scarab]

It's a lot of pages to click through ok

[quiet crane]

Could have a famous boxing match like every youtuber ever these days

[ember arrow]

first time internet

Blooddemo

It's a lot of pages to click through ok

in #protection · Dec 17, 2018, 11:51 AM

[chilly brook]

I used to when I still had the game installed 😃

[oblique garnet]

Theres first and last buttons on rio

[quiet crane]

I honestly hate wows state atm

[tidal scarab]

I thought we are looking at only first 500?

[quiet crane]

But fuck Idk what to do if I left

[chilly brook]

Why are you establishing only the top 500?

[tidal scarab]

I mean you guys said that only top 500 ranks, no?

[livid tendon]

i mean what blooddemo says is true that if you are 1900 and someone at the top is 2700 youll feel avg compared to them

[wary plume]

No what

[oblique garnet]

From the dungeons not players

[tidal scarab]

Ah

[oblique garnet]

2700 is the top 0.001%

[wary plume]

I refer back to the Elon Vs bill gates topic

[chilly brook]

Literal top 1% of the 1%

[livid tendon]

ye ok lets say in league because its something i can compare to, if youre d5 youre top 1% but youre still shit at the game??

[quiet crane]

Who tf is Elon

[livid tendon]

can apply here too

or it does apply

[oblique garnet]

Except in league if youre d5 youre not that good

[livid tendon]

yes but youre still top 1%

or w.e the number is now

[wary plume]

Top 1% of the entire population

As I've said 3 tines

[chilly brook]

But you're literally disqualified from saying that your rank is average in that case....

[wary plume]

R.io only leaderboards keys above a limit

[chilly brook]

By definition

[tidal scarab]

But Griff made the calculations based on 150k players

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[tidal scarab]

Not the ranking dungeons

[oblique garnet]

Thats the fucking overall players

Of theclass

[chilly brook]

🤦

[livid tendon]

Ye by definition i agree

[oblique garnet]

Im getting a headache from all this

[tidal scarab]

Yeah and we are back to why the fuck are you putting casuals and people who do some extra shit all in the same pile

[oblique garnet]

Because when you talk about statistic you being casual or nolife has no meaning

[tidal scarab]

I want you to make a calculation from 1500 + score

[chilly brook]

1500?

lmao

[tidal scarab]

And see how 1952 feels average

[ember arrow]

blooddemo setting arbitrary limitations

[chilly brook]

^

[ember arrow]

shifting goalposts

[chilly brook]

1500 is still massively above the average player

[tidal scarab]

You make the assumption that I'm 1% of everyone but forgetting that 99% of that everyone is a casual and won't do more than a +10. I get it for the statistics sake but still it's a meme

[chilly brook]

That's how statistics work....

And it's not a meme that's how that works

[oblique garnet]

Ok blooddemo so the method players who dont do much keys besides their weekly +10s are casuals?

[tidal scarab]

No

They go into the 1%

[chilly brook]

You might be "average" in the top 1%, but you're not average overall

[tidal scarab]

That actually do stuff in the game

[quiet crane]

But going off statistics though

[tidal scarab]

But that is what I was trying to tell you from the beginning

[quiet crane]

You’re saying otherwise

[tidal scarab]

That it feels average at 1900 compared to 2.7k

And you went into all statistics

[chilly brook]

No

[oblique garnet]

Idk why youre comparing 1900 to 2.7k

[chilly brook]

That’s not what you said

[ember arrow]

yes you are an EPIC gamer

but

you dont get how statistics work

[oblique garnet]

Its like comparing car to a bike

[tidal scarab]

I mean on the big picture the 1900's look good but when you take a closer look at the higher keys, it's pretty meh

[ember arrow]

if i get a 55 score for a my math test, and i wanna check how it is compared to others, i look at everyone's performance. I dont look at the people between 49-59

[chilly brook]

This is what you said

[tidal scarab]

yeah but I meant for when

You are closer to 2k

[ember arrow]

you can argue semantics all you want, but you want to calculate statistics incorrectly

[chilly brook]

Levko just nailed it on the head lmao

[tidal scarab]

And you could do what wlogs do with ilvl % parses @ember arrow

And make a % out of 1500-3000 score

Is that not a thing?

[chilly brook]

“Oh hey I scored a 95 but it’s only average compared to that 100 if I take it from 90 to 100”

[ember arrow]

ilvl isnt skill based though, so thats kinda a moot point

if ilvl meant something

[tidal scarab]

Ilvl is an example

[ember arrow]

you would make a good point

[tidal scarab]

Mate

Change ilvl to score

and do the same exact thing as logs

[ember arrow]

you cant titanforge r io score

[tidal scarab]

The fuck.. if logs do 382-385 % parse

Why can't you do the same with score

Why are you talking about tf anything

[chilly brook]

[ember arrow]

because you compare ilvl to rio score

and theyre nothing alike

[tidal scarab]

How the fuck

am I comparing the ilvl

The idea

[ember arrow]

Blooddemo

And you could do what wlogs do with ilvl % parses @ember arrow
And make a % out of 1500-3000 score
Is that not a thing?

in #protection · Dec 17, 2018, 12:02 PM

[tidal scarab]

The IDEA

of how it works

Not the ilvl

but the idea

are you following?

[quiet crane]

Come on boys let’s just get along

This is gunna flare up again

[ember arrow]

you said 1800 is average

[chilly brook]

Comparing performance in a sample where you can measure actual performance based on external factors=/=a solution to statistics how you want it

[ember arrow]

yo udidnt say 1800 is average for x-ilvl

[tidal scarab]

Ok yes I didn't

but now I am saying that

are we all happy

?

[ember arrow]

yes, but at the start you didnt

[chilly brook]

No lol

[ember arrow]

therefore all your points were moot

[tidal scarab]

Yes all of them went to shit, I can admit that

[ember arrow]

until you changed the definition of average to "average for x-ilvl"

[tidal scarab]

At least I can admit that I was wrong instead as someone shitting on a whole continent 🤔

[chilly brook]

The only reason that the whole ilvl section of parses works is because you’re creating a statistic based off of measurable performance

[ember arrow]

who shit on a continent

[chilly brook]

Inside a control group

[ember arrow]

even if someone did, how is taht in any way related to your argument

[tidal scarab]

So what, score doesn't = skill?

Do you take everything too serious levko?

[oblique garnet]

Nobody said that jesus

[chilly brook]

implying I was shitting on a whole continent when what I meant was you add a whole lot more people to the numbers meaning you add a whole lot more bad people to the numbers

[quiet crane]

I wouldn’t say score equals skill for an idvidual

Individual

[chilly brook]

Literally has nothing to do with the people of the continent

[ember arrow]

again, with the personal attacks, instead of an argument

Blooddemo

So what, score doesn't = skill?
Do you take everything too serious levko?

in #protection · Dec 17, 2018, 12:07 PM

not making a good case buddy

ilvl isnt equal to skill

score is

[tidal scarab]

Did you really take that as a personal attack?

[ember arrow]

therefore its a bad comparison

that was my point

[tidal scarab]

Why are you contradicting what Griff is saying

Thought you 2 were as 1

[chilly brook]

Score also doesn’t measure anything on an individual level except for what the highest keys you’ve completed are

Which is completely different to an ilvl parse

[quiet crane]

Yeah I agree Matt

It doesn’t measure an individual

[ember arrow]

i dont contradict what griff's saying either. we both agree that ilvl isnt skill based. as to whether, rio score is, and how much, (edit) thats irrelevant, since we already established that they arent comparable

[tidal scarab]

Why can't we just come to an agreement that I should have said that I meant it as in a controlled score group and then the 1952 is average for that score group and just move along?

[ember arrow]

because your initial argument was wrong, and you started to argue for it. now your new argument, we agree with

[chilly brook]

What you’re asking for (a comparison of performance between the top x% of a leaderboard and where they rank in terms of skill averages and performance between each other) would actually require a competition and data from an individual level

[tidal scarab]

But I already said I was wrong about that

But looks like this guy just won't let up

[ember arrow]

youre not locked up with us

if u dont wanna talk, you can leave, block

[chilly brook]

You could always just stop

[ember arrow]

whatever

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal scarab]

I mean I want you to make a % out of 1500-3000

[chilly brook]

I’m not holding you hostage to my messages

It’s pretty simple to make a percent tbh

Just take whatever your measurement of “high” in that sample size and then divide it by total number in that sample size

[valid needle]

What even happened

Anyways i agree with @ember arrow

[livid tendon]

i agreed with initial statement of him feeling w.e score he is was average compared to the top but then it went oogabooga

[ember arrow]

that wasnt his argument, he literally said its average, without clarifying

i agree with the corrected version

[livid tendon]

i'd hope and assume that it was a personal opinion but 🤷

[valid needle]

At the end of the day, feeling average is fair enough. I feel average with being 7/8 atm...

[ember arrow]

personal opinions formulated like "its average" can easily be interpreted as factual statements

[tidal scarab]

Well I guess we learned something new today

[ember arrow]

there was no context in which it could be interpreted as such

[chilly brook]

io is extremely subpar on mobile

[valid needle]

We almost got p3 yesterday

[quiet crane]

Wish to do mythic one day with a guild

[valid needle]

Legit fucked the last orb 😭

[quiet crane]

When I’m not on shift work

Ouch

Usually all the vids and stuff I watch every fight ever looks like a snoozefest

But I’m genuinely disappointed to have missed ghunie

[valid needle]

Yeah cause people have 300 wipes lmao

[quiet crane]

It’s just from what I see in my shoes as a tank don’t like difficult no challenge

[oblique garnet]

The setup for ghuun is so annoying

[quiet crane]

Of course it’s only my interpretation

Since I’ve never had the chance but fronblooking at what my job is. It’s really easy honestly

[livid tendon]

you only really need 1 lock now

[quiet crane]

From looking

[valid needle]

Well one thing is seeing a clean kill and the other is doing it yourself

[livid tendon]

because solo classes should be able to solo

jk 2 locks

[valid needle]

1 lock 😂 😂 😂

[quiet crane]

Well I used to be in hardcore raiding many moons ago

And I’ve never caused any of the wipes cause managing that crap just wasn’t hard for me

That’s something I loved about the MT doing it undergeared

[ember arrow]

Azerite removed in 8.2

[valid needle]

So you're a perfect player that never made mistakes on fights? 😬

[ember arrow]

So bfa launches then? Time to sub?

[quiet crane]

That was a fucking self accomplishment to do it when it first canevout

Came out

[oblique garnet]

Not removed

[quiet crane]

Nah not saying that persay

Just was extremely rare to my mistake

[valid needle]

😂

[oblique garnet]

You just dont need higher than 48 to unlock all traits on the gear

[ember arrow]

Azerite is worse than at least 4 murders

[valid needle]

You're funny Jay 😂

[oblique garnet]

And then they are addinh some sort of progression to the neck if i understood correctly

[ember arrow]

Cant be worse than azerite

Wait

Its bliz

It will be ok. Cya in 9.0 maybe

[oblique garnet]

I think its gonna be like legion artefacta

[ember arrow]

Actual working system?

[oblique garnet]

Idk

[chilly brook]

8.2 sounds like the patch that the game should have launched with

[oblique garnet]

I have lost alot of faith in blizzard but i still enjoy the game more than other games

[chilly brook]

But like

It’s too late by that point

[ember arrow]

8.2 is official launch

[narrow abyss]

Not like 7.0 was amazing

[chilly brook]

Cuz we all know that the expansion is gonna end in 8.3.5

[ember arrow]

But many are long gone by then

In legion classes felt good

I played bdk in en

Still fun

[narrow abyss]

I quit when 7.1 came out. Then preptach for BFA and wow they fixed like everything. Just to chuck out all the fixed systems

[chilly brook]

And then blizz will probably do the same to WoW that it did to HotS

I mean

[narrow abyss]

The legendary cap and AP spec locked grinding was meh

A lot of bitching then too

[chilly brook]

I won’t be sad to see Azerite gone

[oblique garnet]

They wont do the same to wow that they did to hots

[ember arrow]

@narrow abyss it was nothing as horrid as this

[valid needle]

Sure but it felt more progressive than azerite does @narrow abyss

[oblique garnet]

WoW makes them most of their money

[chilly brook]

BfA was a fairly large step backwards from legion at the end

[ember arrow]

Unlocking same traits

Nice

[oblique garnet]

I hated legion

[chilly brook]

WoW does not make them most of their money anymore

[valid needle]

It just added 50 more dices

[ember arrow]

Rule 34watch does

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah i forgot that babbys first fps game exists

[ember arrow]

Oh its a game?

[chilly brook]

Hearthstone makes most of blizz’s money tbh

[ember arrow]

I was wondering where they got those models from

💦

[chilly brook]

Overwatch would be in second

[sick sentinel]

any news about 8.2?

[chilly brook]

Well actually that might have changed with the OWL

[sick sentinel]

8.1 just dropped and you're asking about 8.2 lol

yep

[valid needle]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

At some point HS was doing 20 mil a month

[valid needle]

Just like most others are @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Have you not realised

How beyond stupid that is

[valid needle]

Why is it stupid?

[ember arrow]

8.1 added nothing

[valid needle]

Exactly

[chilly brook]

8.1 is basically 6.1 change my mind

[sick sentinel]

8.2 will be in like 5 months?

[chilly brook]

Oh wait there’s no selfie cam

Fuck

I was wrong

[valid needle]

So you're upset that someone wants to know what content is gonna be up in 8.2?

[sick sentinel]

Like, we haven't got 8.1.5 yet

[ember arrow]

8.1 couldve been done in a reset

[sick sentinel]

yep

8.1 is just big fix 😃

not content patch

[valid needle]

8.1 might aswell just've been another hotfix

[sick sentinel]

thats why i askin abiut 8,.2

Are you asking about content or fixes

if there is some info already about it

[ember arrow]

They gonna use tiersets

But dont need to make one for each class

[sick sentinel]

Like class changes

[chilly brook]

You know what other expansion had an x.1 patch that was basically a hotfix?

[ember arrow]

6

.

1

[chilly brook]

Warlords xD

[valid needle]

Wod and pandaria?

[chilly brook]

BFA is warlords 2.0 confirmed 😜

[valid needle]

Didn't pandaria have one at the end aswell

[chilly brook]

I skipped MoP unfortunately

[oblique garnet]

Pandalandia had alot of those iirc

[chilly brook]

My current self would have rather enjoyed MoP tbh

[valid needle]

People just forgot the pandaria drought of content cause of wod lmao

I love it

I mean i loved mop

[chilly brook]

I forget it because I didn’t experience it

[lusty grotto]

pandaria was fun though, its just a shame SoO lasted like a year

[valid needle]

But SoO was basically HFC in its length

Yeah

[gaunt belfry]

I loved warlock in MOP

[oblique garnet]

Destro was 👌🏻 on mop

[chilly brook]

I’m just a fan of the whole “ancient” China thing

[gaunt belfry]

But WotLK will always have my heart

[chilly brook]

Fantasy Chinaland gets me

[valid needle]

MoP was good, WoD was fine, just needed more of it

[gaunt belfry]

WTB armor pen

[oblique garnet]

I like it how people say mop is good after the expansion is gone when during it people hated it and it saw some of the highest drops in sub count

[chilly brook]

Can’t you tell?

Well let’s be honest

Subs started to drop with cata because the whole ship started steering a completely different direction

Anything after imo is just a symptom of that same shift

[oblique garnet]

They dropped during mop more than during cata

[gaunt belfry]

They need to bring back farmable legendaries

[chilly brook]

MoP was, from a game design standpoint, just the next evolution in the new direction and streamlining that Cata took

[gaunt belfry]

No I’m taking quest line legendaries

[oblique garnet]

I agree grexadin

[lusty grotto]

mop was good though, 20 years between patches wasnt

[oblique garnet]

I miss the getting the sense of accomplishment you got when you finally got that legendary staff

[chilly brook]

Here I am ragging on blizz when I play R6 Siege as my main game now

Goobisoft

I miss the sense of accomplishment when you get gear at all

Lmao

[narrow abyss]

People really hated MOP lol

Until they look back and it wasn’t as bad as shit now

[gaunt belfry]

They went from rare to farmable drop rate with BT to questlines in Ulduar/ICC/spine to EVERYONE GETS LEGGO CAPES to Everyone gets ALL OF THE LEGGOS to nothing so I’m sad

[chilly brook]

Now it’s just “hey you happened to roll the right number but it’s a hidden number so you can’t even know ahead of looting the item”

And it’s also random if it even goes to you or not

[tulip pond]

RNG lege drops were BS tho, I preferred the Shadowmoune/Dragonwrath/Fangs model

[chilly brook]

Could be your BiS shield goes to some rando enh shaman who has his loot spec set as ele

[gaunt belfry]

They could even introduce a leggo in a later raid tier to help balance a class that might be underperforming even after class changes

[sick sentinel]

I agree with tony

[chilly brook]

I think calling legos legos was a bad move tbh

[sick sentinel]

The legendary cape and the legendary ring are the 2 worst things that have happened in the game

[gaunt belfry]

God I forgot about the fangs, sweet add questlines

[chilly brook]

I think the way you acquired them was bad too

But the legion legos as a whole were an amazing game system

[gaunt belfry]

Cape and ring required no game play to get they were trash

[chilly brook]

One I’ll forever miss

That ring questline was ass in WoD

Fuck that shit

[eager phoenix]

I prefer getting cuckd by RNG like bindings, eye and glaives 👌

[oblique garnet]

Legion legendaries were the worst

[chilly brook]

Acquisition of them were the worst I’ll agree

[oblique garnet]

”Oh you didnt get bis legendaries first” well time to reroll

[chilly brook]

But their function? Easily one of the best systems we’ve had in game imo

[gaunt belfry]

Leggos in Legion were the worst. The idea of a legendary was rarity, thy should have just put those leggo traits in tier gear with how common they were

[chilly brook]

They were gear pieces that actually meant something again

Like I said

In regards to legion calling them legendaries was the wrong move imo

But they definitely should have existed

And they should still exist imo

[old zephyr]

yeah but if you didn't happen to ucky roll them you were more or less benched so...

[tulip pond]

They could've called legion legos fel augmented armor or something, just something else then legendary

[gaunt belfry]

Ahh missed that Griff 😃

[tulip pond]

I played unholy at start of Legion, not getting the wrists was great fun

[chilly brook]

I think it’s important to be able to separate the acquisition from the actual systems impact

[gaunt belfry]

ANYWAY we want legendaries back but we want them exclusive dammit

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much yeah

I want legendaries that feel rewarding to get

[chilly brook]

Something that blizz hasn’t been able to do which is why so many “fixes” of perceived “problems” from legion were so botched

[gaunt belfry]

I’m sending Ion a Christmas basket with suggestions “write reminder in notes”

[chilly brook]

They tried fixing the problem without realizing why the problem was a problem to begin with

[old zephyr]

azerite had more or less the same symptoms at 8.0

[chilly brook]

Yea.....

[old zephyr]

Oh, you didn't get A high level DC in your cache ?
Sucks to be you

[sick sentinel]

If the legendaries

Were released with the wakening essenses

[old zephyr]

8.1 seems slightly better in that regard

[gaunt belfry]

Our server first shadowmourne sold his account and fucked his guild for 12k cash money. I want to be able to do that dammit

[sick sentinel]

Then the majority of the complaints about legion would have been gone

[oblique garnet]

Id do it too

[sick sentinel]

And legion was a great expansion

[gaunt belfry]

My guild would understandably

[tulip pond]

We had ours put Landslide & str gems gems into his Dragonwrath and link it on /2 asking if he has gemmed it properly for fire

[gaunt belfry]

Understand *

[chilly brook]

Well considering Azerite is just another bandaid fix for the system that was the bandaid fix for the previous bandaid fix of having the whole talent tree system ripped out from the game as well as other aspects of character development and RPG elements that the core of the game was originally designed around......

It’s no wonder lmao

[eager phoenix]

I liked the dropsystem with bindings, eye and glaives but also the questline route they took with Ulduar/Icc. It made it a guild effort and tied the acquisition to raiding. The problem is that the person who got tf, glaives or shadowmourne could've left just after or just straight up quit the game leaving everyone else behind. I guess that kind of approach doesn't resonate well with gaming in 2018 and why wow has become a lot more single player.

[chilly brook]

Something, ironically, which stands against the point of an mmorpg in the first place

It’s supposed to be an RPG that you play with other people

But uhhhh

Hey

[gaunt belfry]

My server is dead as shit but I’m not paying to transfer all of my characters again....

[chilly brook]

What do I know it’s just in the name

I’ll definitely give ESO that it’s the closest to an rpg of any of the MMOs that actually exist out there rn

Well outside of OSRS but that’s a different story

[eager phoenix]

I agree completely. It is weird that they are so scared of the worst case situations where people are backstabbing, plotting and cllimbing over corpses to get what they want that they've completely sacked anything that actually requires long term committment and social interactions. Yeah, officers in 1 out of 100 guilds might scam their players with ML or we get some nice ninjalooting video twice a year and of course it is frustrating getting 4 right bindings in a row and 0 left bindings but isn't that a price worth paying? A guild makes shadowmourne for their big dick DPS warrior so he/she can carry them for the remainder of the raid.

[prisma viper]

About M+, what dungeons would say prot warrior perform better relative to other tanks? And what dungeons are we worse off than other tanks?

[lusty grotto]

problem with shadowmourne was that it took so goddamn long to complete though

[eager phoenix]

obviously quest lines and acquisition has to be thoroughly thought through but the idea of a guild doing something together even if it ends up in the hands of only one player is nice imo.

[lusty grotto]

i honestly would prefer if a big dick item was tied to a self quest where you need to use your skill to get it ala Mage Tower challenges, so that your guild isn't required to do it

or, make it a hardmode guild quest where it doesnt take that long to complete

cata daggers and staff too, not just smourne

after 8.1 it doesn't matter @prisma viper

same dungeons other tanks do well in, the differences are minuscule now

[old zephyr]

@prisma viper Freehold is fairly good for protwar, UR and Manor as well

ML, and shrine you are a bit behind

[narrow abyss]

Love freehold

[lusty grotto]

freehold is good for anybody

which is my point

[old zephyr]

fair

UR and Manor then, for spellreflect cheese

[prisma viper]

For ML, are the ranged attacks from the 2 last bosses now blockable?

[old zephyr]

they are magical, so i'm afraid not

and even if they are, they are still magical

[prisma viper]

Ok, But last one in TD is physical right?

[primal crypt]

[old zephyr]

the attacks yes

the spells no

asside the snipeshot

[prisma viper]

Ye, was thinking about his auto attack

[old zephyr]

Only the 2 last boss of ML have magic based autohits

[dull coral]

Do we still want a defeaning crash after 8.1?

[prisma viper]

Was thinking about what M+ to push next week, since it Tyr+necro, bosses with ranged autos will be easier

[old zephyr]

yes we do shil

[dull coral]

ty!

[old zephyr]

no boss are terrible on necro

Sand queen used to be but it's not anymore

you almost always have widows to reset stacks

[prisma viper]

True, but even if you get to reset stacks around 15-20 for most bosses, it still hurts on high Tyr with a couple of stacks:P

[lusty grotto]

push the same keys as everyone else

there's really no distinction

for next week, just bring a MW or pick dungeons with paths to kite

or both

everyone is on the same boat

BDK now more than ever LUL

(or bring a WW monk too with RoP)

[old zephyr]

MW or druid, or frost mage or

So many options

[lusty grotto]

tfw bdk can't deal with AMSing necrotic

[old zephyr]

They deserve it 😃

Only "hard" thing in necrotic is quick stacking from packs of trash, but nothing shockwave+Heroic leap can't solve

[prisma viper]

Ye, Im not worried about trash on Tyrannical, with a good comp, with RoP, trants, and ofc stun and leap, it should be managable, as longs as there is some room to kite

[old zephyr]

if you are really afraid of bosses : bring in an Arms warrior to taunt with defCD to reset (HDH may be able to do it as well)

[sand egret]

most bosses dont have fast enough swing timers for it to be a thing tbh

[prisma viper]

And most bosses have some kind of transition, long casts etc

[steady fiber]

Any one can help me out ? I'm currious from what ilvl what +m i should try to run with prot warrior that i have, just dnt want to ruin someones key etc. And Other question is it's ok that with 362 ilvl in +9 king rest i had not great time, not vs boss but vs adds i had awfull times, so im just to low ilvl low geared or what?

[prisma viper]

Everyone is too low for KR

[old zephyr]

Trash in KR are terrible for everyone

[oblique garnet]

^

[sick slate]

Yea its nasty depends on your healer too, i did UR9 the second pack on the platform was savage felt like paper

[old zephyr]

with 362 you should be able to time a +10 with a proper group

[sick slate]

had a holy priest which aint the best

Some of the KR trash can be brutal also how was the dps, if its low adds up longer means your getting punded longer

[prisma viper]

Yeah, but with random pugs, I stick with +8 and +9 as 362. But if you push your own key, you should ofc have a go at +10 aswell

[steady fiber]

well dps were like 11-13k dps

in KR i had problem that vs some adds i was thinking that im not tank, bcs of huge dmg that i was geting all time back

[old zephyr]

don't let the berserker hit you

also this week was especially brutal

[mellow quartz]

This week hurts a lot vs most others.

Mobs barely tickled last week for example.

[sick sentinel]

You can use sr on the casters after the second boss

@prisma viper with necrotic I bery rarely go above 4 stacks on bosses

[ancient reef]

wish there was an achievement related to tanking m+ pugs like the old lfg "the patient"

[dusk locust]

the cat herder

[crystal creek]

the martyr.

[dusk locust]

the blamed

[lusty grotto]

Lel

[crystal creek]

the scapegoat would be good.

[dusk locust]

that's pretty good

or on necrotic weeks, the unseen

[crystal creek]

Kinda new with necrotic, I'm assuming a blocked attack still gives a stack.

[modern brook]

I need help

[dusk locust]

i believe that's the case

[modern brook]

What are the best non-artifact shield mogs

cause all of them suck, from what i can tell

[dusk locust]

i feel the same way

haha

[modern brook]

its honestly ruining the class for me

[dusk locust]

everyone always suggests bulwark of azzinoth

but meh

[signal plover]

All of the good non artifact ones are overdone

Cuz it's all we had for ages

[old zephyr]

yesterday I had a PUG say : "Ace tanking mate" I was shocked

@modern brook there is the azinoth shield that is bot bad, or one of my favorite the "soulstealer's barrier"

but yeah, othes shields are pretty meh

[dusk locust]

i've been trying to find just any mog i like and having a hell of a time

i need to go farming 😛

[old zephyr]

curently using artifact weapon with Red mogushan set it's pretty okay

[signal plover]

They just need to separate out the shield artifact from the MHs that match it. They had it that way in beta and I cannot understand why it was changed

[idle copper]

Considering their performance lately they probably “forgot”

[frozen narwhal]

Just let me use the MT shields without that clunky ass flail

[quartz pond]

We re lucky already to finally have fist wepons

[signal plover]

The MHs are truly awful

[quartz pond]

So u can use the wod train door for and your fists

[signal plover]

Like the blue/purple hidden shields are awesome but that fucking axe/mace that they're matched with looks like garbage

[quartz pond]

Since ur stuck with it

U ll get used to it :)

[signal plover]

Nah I refuse to use em

[quartz pond]

Pretty sure that's blizzs train of thought

[signal plover]

I just use the MT ones even though the flail clips through the floor on dark iron

[sick sentinel]

all the different colourations of the tol dagor shield are nice

my shield is a door and I love it

[primal crypt]

so in other news

my DK is like toilet paper

1 ply

[crystal creek]

I use the Marine's Boarding Plank, but I'm undead.

[modern brook]

the Flail s def crap

THeoretically hella cool

ITs basically a flacid mace though

Im mostly mad the honorbound shields look like dong

caue im an orc and this was my one chance for an on theme ensamble

Fittingly, if unjustly, honorbound stuff looks best on Blood elves

[sick sentinel]

use the vanilla horde shields

[modern brook]

the ones with 3 pixels across them?

[sick sentinel]

like 6 pixels

[modern brook]

😠

[sick sentinel]

but it has the group symbol on them

or use the one boost uses

easy

[thorn mango]

since we're on the topic of artifact skins i got a question,is it possible to still see the hidden skins at 120? maybe i did it wrong but just ran into nelth's lair to see if i could snag up the prot hidden skin but didnt really have any of the weapons on before i ran in the first time

[plain onyx]

not always there, when you walk into the cave each day you wanna look for an emote that says "You hear a strange roar from the cavern ahead"

that tells you itll be there

[modern brook]

^

I said fuck rng nerds and just did the secret one for ARms

got all the off colors 'cept original

just used that to get the stuff for prot

[plain onyx]

in the beginning it was glitched and you could reset the flag by logging out and walking back in, thats how i got it lmao

[thorn mango]

@plain onyx do u need the artifacts on you either in your bag or otherwise to get that message pop up?

[plain onyx]

oh, not sure, i know i was using mine at the time

i doubt you do though

[thorn mango]

well,.i at least had all 3 in my bags the first time i flew into the front door and never saw the message,guess i just lucked out today

[plain onyx]

wowhead says you dont even need to have obtained the artifact before getting it, actually

so thats neat

and yeah the "Drop rate" for the event can be pretty low, back when we could reset it i think i sat there logging out for 2 hours

before it popped

[thorn mango]

ahh well i'll try again tommarow,not too interested in warrior artifact skins since i honestly never played warrior during legion lol. only decided on a whim cause of slight boredom 😛 lol

[plain onyx]

GL!

[thorn mango]

i mean i already know im going to be short the challenge one,but im ok with that,god knows that the paladin fail looks 3 times as better as warrior,much more flashy lol and i actually scored that at least

[modern brook]

@thorn mango its tied to AK

[plain onyx]

DAMN yeah forgot about AK

[modern brook]

there should be a guide on whats needed to proc it on Wowhead

[plain onyx]

believe it was very low for prot though

[thorn mango]

@modern brook so since its tied to AK,its basically sol for anyone who never got it before the pre patch of BFA?

[modern brook]

idk

iirc didnt they just hand u maximum AK near the end of legion?

I imagine thats the same case

[plain onyx]

people are reporting getting it in 8.0.1 so yeah id say you probably meet that requirement by default now

[uneven mason]

All hiddens should be 100% now

no msg needed

[modern brook]

OH skymane just sucks then

[thorn mango]

lmao thanks.........

[thorn fiber]

Since artifacts came out I think on warrior the golden king set looks fantastic with the hidden base skin.

I have a lot of different variants I run but I keep coming back to the golden king. However the new deathgaurd heat with the skull sword one is going to look legit AF now.

[modern brook]

deathguard heat?

sidebar: anyone got advice for running Kings REst/ temple as prot at like ~11-13ish

I keep playing those dungeons and just hating my class and not wanting to play prot anymore

If leaderboards are anything to go by, Kings rest is just a not doing it this week, regardless of spec.

Thrall had 200 open spots as of sunday night, lol

[wheat bronze]

I did a 15 KR this week and it isn't terrible if you just CC some of the problematic mobs

[final mist]

KR is a "not doing it this week" every week, regardless of tank class

[ancient reef]

what are next week affix

[oblique garnet]

kr is fine on tyrannical

[modern brook]

rage necro tyr

basically, bring a boomkin and gg

[daring marlin]

man

I need to level an alliance druid

rip all my horde dudes

[modern brook]

The only thing I'll give alliance

besides DID

is that NE druid may as well be a racial spec

cause its the only one that makes sense

😠

tauren are stupid as fuck btw

They just steal other classes stuff and pretend its the earth or whatever

[frozen narwhal]

I am a huge muscular bull, lets transform into a kitty to deal more damage???

[modern brook]

earth mother grant me power

THANKS ELUNE, BIG FAN BTW

moonfire intensifies

[pallid hollow]

Hey is there any Callous Reprsial WA?

[modern brook]

^ same thing for trolls and the stupid ass dog ppl

As in an uptime counter?

[pallid hollow]

I can make it myself, but i want it to only show if i have said trait equipped

currently i can only make my WA/TMW to show if the debuff is up.

but when the debuff ran out, it'll go invisible, i want it to go grey and glow. But if i do that, if i don't have the trait equipped, that WA/TMW will show up

so i had to manually disable it everytime i un-equipped said trait

[modern brook]

I'm not the best WA guy, #ui-addons-manager might be a better place to ask, that said I'm fairly certain you can only track Debuffs on your current target

[pallid hollow]

oo didn't see that channel will ask there now

[modern brook]

Honestly I would just make it a timer that ignores debuff

ie: press revenge -> ~duration of buff timer

you press revenge enough that maintaining cr uptime just sorta happens

[pallid hollow]

problem is, if i don't have the trait equipped, the wa/tmw icon will show up.

[steel mauve]

Could just make your own

[pallid hollow]

i guess better question is, is there a way for WA to track what trait do i have, and use it as a condition

[modern brook]

I think it can track equipment

which could translate to trait

[steel mauve]

The wa icon wont show up unless the buff is present

[modern brook]

again better ppl in the dedicated section

[daring marlin]

^this is goofy

[modern brook]

nice u can buy 2 whole reroll tokens with that

[daring marlin]

hey now

that would be almost 4!

[lusty grotto]

Negative guilfart

[modern brook]

I'm so fucking poor this exp

I'm so lucky my guild's raiding fell apart

I cant afford to show up every week

[daring marlin]

lol

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[daring marlin]

could still raid

[modern brook]

yall are laughing

[daring marlin]

just be a shitter like my mage buddy

and never pot

gg ez

[modern brook]

I have 10k across 4 characteers

[lusty grotto]

Guilfart told me to sell core hound mounts, they haven't sold :(

[uneven mason]

I did

[modern brook]

I'm this close to just selling all my herbs

[uneven mason]

and then I feel sorry for you

[lusty grotto]

Oh it qa mac

Was

[uneven mason]

still raking it in

[lusty grotto]

Yepp sorry

[uneven mason]

Green demon doggos

big bucks

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook you said you are not doing KR

but I wanna do it once this week

because of the nerf

[daring marlin]

sell corehound mounts?

wat

[modern brook]

Its not that im not doing kr its that i suck shit at kings rest and dont know how to fucking play it as a prot warrior

especially this week on that hallway

[uneven mason]

wat hallway?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=289160/compendium-of-all-bfa-dungeon-changes-in-8-1?webhook/compendium-of-all-bfa-dungeon-changes-in-8-1

[daring marlin]

I've always liked KR.

[sick sentinel]

check the KR part

[daring marlin]

Is that weird?

[lusty grotto]

I'm doing kr this week because I'm not a pusay

[modern brook]

the one before 3rd boss

[uneven mason]

Oh yeah

[daring marlin]

ghuuniesghuuniesghuunies

[modern brook]

that gets like 9 extra mobs cause of fucking teemiing

or 1 that feels like 9 cause its fucking bullshit

[uneven mason]

can't CC Berserkers anyway, its quality

anymore*

[lusty grotto]

Best way to rank up

Run kr this week

[daring marlin]

meh the pull right before the third boss is more annoying than that pull

and you can cc them now

[lusty grotto]

I'm doing it boys

[modern brook]

I actually really like KR

When im on my rogue

[lusty grotto]

Can't wait to kite shadow of zul to africa

[daring marlin]

be a man

[sand egret]

I did a KR last night

[modern brook]

Every time i've prot'd kr We fail key, I get salty and tag another level on my dk

[daring marlin]

tank him like a man

[sand egret]

wasn't bad tbh

[uneven mason]

BDK RIP

[lusty grotto]

Tanking him like a man will cost me 1k in repairs

[modern brook]

BDK GRIP* @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

its like hitting a water baloon with a deck nail

[sand egret]

root + shackle zerkers before the 3rd boss made it a cakewalk

[uneven mason]

they're so squishy

compared to prot war

[modern brook]

Are they Vengence squishy yet?

[uneven mason]

hope you got lots of tricks and MDs

close.

[modern brook]

Inb4 bear best tank m+

[lusty grotto]

Hey that reminds me of the daily quote

[sand egret]

berrrrz

[modern brook]

maybe I'll max out my druid

[sand egret]

i'd play him so much more if I wasn't so salty over not getting a new weapon

woof

[modern brook]

New feral looks fun

Bear has gutteral roars again

[sand egret]

I've always liked Bleed-focused playstyles

[sand egret]

but bear will feel a lot better with a new ring

[lusty grotto]

Daily quote done ✅

[modern brook]

My problem w/ bear is that I think I'll fucking off myself

you dont do anything

you just press thrash and hope your healer is pressing his buttons

[sand egret]

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration tbh

[modern brook]

IDK man, what decisions are there on bear

[sand egret]

playing both prot and bear a lot this weekend, while the playstyles are different

i wouldn't say bear is nearly as brain-dead as people think imho

[stark sage]

tbh i think you can be pretty afk to play brew more than bear

[sinful stone]

can we get a ranking of new darkshore traits?

[sand egret]

it isn't complex but it isn't like "lawl thrash" (which was legion anyway)

[modern brook]

I dont wanna say Bear is AFK tank god like brm is

And brm is definitely a show up or die tank now that u need to actually press isb

[sinful stone]

like ancient's bulwark and shadow of elune

[modern brook]

But like

Bear is the same thing always

build -> dump into iron fur

unless ur not gettng fucked up

-> dump into maul

pop CD's when ur getting extra fucked

ggwp

[sand egret]

you could simplify prot to that extent to, tbh

[modern brook]

Nah

[daring marlin]

How is that any different than Warrior?

omega

[modern brook]

Cause prot has avatar

[sand egret]

which is even more simple lol

[sick sentinel]

at least we do dps

[modern brook]

so we have like I'm going to be a man time

Its not about simplicity

its about variation

[sand egret]

haha bear's problem is honestly...they need an Avatar of their own

[modern brook]

Bear isnt reactive

[sand egret]

RIP ROTS

[modern brook]

Bear doesnt have windows of differences

Its just build and spend

nothing wrong with that

its just boring imo

[sand egret]

what keys do you run on your bear?

[modern brook]

he's 102 :^)

[sand egret]

it hasn't been that way for me, tbh

oh, so you havent played one in BFA?

[modern brook]

or legion tbh

[daring marlin]

squints

[sand egret]

riiiight

cum grano salis

[daring marlin]

I mean.

I played bear some in legion

[modern brook]

Dont talk spanish in this discord blade 😠

[daring marlin]

had to for the artifact appearance

[sand egret]

that's Latin

[daring marlin]

didn't care too much for it in legion

so I haven't bothered in BFA

but

[sand egret]

well Legion bear is defintely not BFA bear lol

unfortunately

[daring marlin]

I might level one just for variety sake

and I already have a pally/dk/warrior at 120

[sand egret]

all I'm saying is, coming from a Prot war, it's not absurd to consider that the woes are a bit more exaggerated

[modern brook]

I'll give bear a shot i guess

Maybe im being a big virgin and just bitching about tanking because im bad at kings rest

[sand egret]

well KR is the only dungeon designed differently than the rest of BFA

from a fundamental PoV

[thorn fiber]

Bear having vortex again does offer a bit more utility now

[sand egret]

coming from a warrior, not having charge is rough but it IS quite nice

[modern brook]

Not being able to intercept through knockbacks is bullshit

[sand egret]

speaking of patch changes, Charge off the GCD is amazing

[modern brook]

every other tank is garbage because of that

fact

[sand egret]

for that exact reason

DH's can rebound pretty fast off knockbacks fwiw

but it's suuper nice

[modern brook]

yeah but then ur vdh

and u have other problems like tanking

[old zephyr]

I have to say, When I played VDH (at a similar level) extrapulling a 2nd pack felt rough

As prot war it's not extrapull until the 4th pack

the first 3 are manmode avatar pulls

[sand egret]

fun thing I did this weekend: I found a set with 3x Imposing Presence

44k per mob is pretty lulz

[modern brook]

vdh is really good next week

[sand egret]

i gotta level mine

[modern brook]

BRM is just better because it does the same thing with better utility and stronger tyranical tools

aka stagger, dodge, rop

[sand egret]

what is next week?

[modern brook]

raging necrotic tyr infe

[sand egret]

tyr and?

raging necro eh

bear lyfeee

[primal crypt]

necro........

dps week

[oblique garnet]

get a boomkin

its ez week

[modern brook]

I expect VDH / Brew / Prot to be best tanks next week

Bringa boomy

[sand egret]

yeah boomkins make that shit a joke

[modern brook]

vdh.brew cause they can reset while face tanking cause bullshit ass classes, still have mobility if they're unlucky

prot cause avatar

bringing 4 dps is p good ive heard

[pallid hollow]

wait hold on, we can't sim prot dps? not yet updated for 8.1?

[modern brook]

idt theres been an apl since bfa

just get ilvl>haste>mastery=crit

U'll be fine

[broken roost]

Mastery 2nd hey? Was versa in 8.0 saint it?

Wasnt**

[modern brook]

shrug get vers then man

our stats are so close it really doesnt matter

[pallid hollow]

could've sworn i have read "for dps trait, you can sim it". Or was it for other tank spec

[modern brook]

Mastery is better in m+

[pallid hollow]

my brain is a muddle

[modern brook]

verse is better in any magic damage /non blockable scenario

[thorn fiber]

Maybe I'm under misconception I thought you could roughly sim prot but over like 25k iterations to get a realistic sim?

[modern brook]

crit turns ur mongomanmode into bigboybashesbitches time (note: this is an upgrade)

[thorn fiber]

I'm thinking back to legion thought it was a thing

[modern brook]

legion was before bfa, if my calendar checks out

[thorn fiber]

Lol

[old zephyr]

versa for raid mast/crit for M+

[lusty grotto]

Nah

[broken roost]

I'm sitting on 43 versa rating anyway so nbd

[old zephyr]

We can't sim Prot DPS but there is a vague amount that can be given :
A LOT OF DPS

[pallid hollow]

the only thing i remember about prot in Legion : macro all abilities with Ignore Pain

[lusty grotto]

Ewww

[primal crypt]

Crit/mast lol

[lusty grotto]

Wtg

Wtf

[primal crypt]

Wat

[modern brook]

Yeah the best way to sim prot dps is to quick sim a Bear of similar ilvl, then multiply it by like 6

[primal crypt]

WhatMmmmmam

Macro everything with ip

Jesus

[lusty grotto]

Wtf

[pallid hollow]

You don't remember how OP ignore pain is back in Legion?

[primal crypt]

Im leaving

Lmao

Wtf is this trash

[lusty grotto]

How to use rage inefficiently

[old zephyr]

Mastery and crit are the best defensive stats, but very RNG, so it's good for bigpulls in M+

[primal crypt]

Straight 스레기

Wow

[modern brook]

fuck u yam

[primal crypt]

Bbl

[modern brook]

making me google search shit

[primal crypt]

xD

xD

[old zephyr]

wherease haste and versa are reliable therefor good for raid (or high tyra maybe)

[lusty grotto]

Mastery and crit are not the best defensive stats, stop saying misinformation

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto Parry =100% dmg reduction

👀

[primal crypt]

Only 50%party

[lusty grotto]

Lol bull

Sigj

[old zephyr]

They are, they are just not reliable

[worthy dagger]

how is having a chance to parry better than a consistent form of reduce damage

[primal crypt]

Lmaooo

It's not lans

[worthy dagger]

exactly

[primal crypt]

People like to talk out of their ass sometimes

[worthy dagger]

then why are people saying mastery and crit are good

[modern brook]

U'll understand when u parry yazma's tank buster

[primal crypt]

Is that the backhand dude?

Because if it is

[modern brook]

No its the last boss in Atal

[old zephyr]

they are not good against boss I'll agree

[primal crypt]

Oh

I fistpump when i parry backhand dude

And just stand there

[worthy dagger]

haste and vers is personally the best

[lusty grotto]

Every single Stat is good defensively, pay no attention to 4xtch please lurkers

[primal crypt]

But when you get that debuff

Boiiiiii

[final mist]

Mastery and Crit are good. Haste and Vers are also good. Stats are so close that there's no real reason to stack anything other than Haste because Haste is the best stat.

[primal crypt]

Better do something

[final mist]

Ilevel ultimately trumps everything.

[modern brook]

^ hell yeah

[primal crypt]

^,

[modern brook]

thats what i said

[primal crypt]

Yogurt

[worthy dagger]

no, you said crit and mastery are the best defensive stats

[modern brook]

fuck you yam

[primal crypt]

🍆

[broken roost]

Agreed - we were saying ilvl > haste > THEN crit/mast/vers

[lusty grotto]

It was sarcasm

[broken roost]

Lans you jumped in partway through

[lusty grotto]

Don't be acoustic

[worthy dagger]

i dont care, thats what i read here

[modern brook]

no more yogurt shit

[lusty grotto]

:D

[primal crypt]

Yeah, late to 50%party

[worthy dagger]

post party is better anyway

[broken roost]

Right - well if you read 3 lines higher you wouldnt have been misled

[steady dragon]

heya, is anyone where familiar with leveling engineering? i got to 110, and my guide is telling me to enchant my belt. ive done so 3 times and have gotten no lvls. What am i supposed to do to get from 110 to 125?

[primal crypt]

We all run here

[modern brook]

fuck u @worthy dagger

[primal crypt]

Super acoustic

@steady dragon /wave

[worthy dagger]

lul he got mad

[steady dragon]

👋

[primal crypt]

Im past 110

Uh

Let me check

[lusty grotto]

Don't be mad at the CE warrior bull

[primal crypt]

Did you train at trainer again?

Might need to do that

[steady dragon]

he's got nothing for me

[modern brook]

If im not mad

how am i supposed to ignore pain?

[worthy dagger]

its 8.1 no gcd

[primal crypt]

@steady dragon trying turning off all addons

And retry

Bunch of bugs going on

[lusty grotto]

Where's guil

[steady dragon]

nah thats not it

[primal crypt]

@steady dragon just a quick question, are you enchanting the correct belt enchant?

Have to ask

Since engineers have so many

[steady dragon]

says i can do all 3

[primal crypt]

Hmmmm

Might have to go to gm

Havent heard of this problem yet

And I enchanted my belts no problem

For skill ups

[broken roost]

What color is the recipe? Green or yellow

[primal crypt]

Should be yellow

At 110

If it's green, good luck getting points

[broken roost]

I recall having to enchant my belt a ton to lvl up at that point (like I put that shield thing on some 20 times)

[steady dragon]

💤 noone else has this problem according to google

its yellow

[broken roost]

Oh hm

[modern brook]

I'd open a ticket

GM's will tell you what you're doing wrong / if its a bug

generally accompanied by some super kawaii moe emoji's like this one ヾ(°∇°*)

[primal crypt]

Yeah, I think bug

Pliz no

No kawaii

[modern brook]

sorry ur right

thats better

[stoic bluff]

my block stat doesn't increase when i equip a piece with iron fortress, is it supposed to be like that?

[lusty grotto]

Uhh

Did you read the trait?

[stoic bluff]

ye?

[frosty holly]

You sure

[lusty grotto]

OK so

[uneven mason]

block shows % (Chance)

[steady dragon]

💤 why do they have to make it so obscenely difficult to get a chat going

[uneven mason]

mouse over for % reduction

[modern brook]

just say its a money problem @steady dragon

[uneven mason]

which is not a 100% concrete calulation

[modern brook]

ie: I'm paying 15/month and x isnt working

[lusty grotto]

It doesn't happen when you equip it.. It happens when you block

[stoic bluff]

oh right it doesn't increase the chance

[old zephyr]

After double checking it seems that crit is no longer assumed to be numerically superior.
However It is always good to remember that the statistics do not always translate into in situ truth.
During Ghuun progress BM hunters parsed much lower than the other specs yet where a prime choice of hunter spec by the teams on the race

[modern brook]

bad exmaple

BM hunters have 3 extra chromosomes and only 2 fingers

playing wow is very hard for them

[lusty grotto]

Lol

3 extra chromosomes haha

[uneven mason]

Lower complexity specs allow for folks to pay more attention to mechanics

[lusty grotto]

Anyway back to what you said

[old zephyr]

My point is :
Whatever % damage reduction Crit gives you, you'll probably still want Vers because it's relyable.
But en M+ content when pulling Big packs this does becomes somehow reliable

[lusty grotto]

You're right statistics do not translate to truth

Sure

Which is why we say all secondaries are extremely close in value

And haste has a slight edge

[sand egret]

I stack Multistrike, personally.

[lusty grotto]

I stack expertise cause of parry haste

[steady dragon]

wow ok, ticket fixed, i got extremely unluck apparently

retarded shit

[old zephyr]

I am not sure If, given the choice I want to stack endless haste for M+ though with the downtime between pulls I feel like I have enough uptime on my stuff and may want to get more stats that give direct damage reduction

[lusty grotto]

You don't stack secondaries

Period

Ilvl > all

[old zephyr]

yes I know

[primal crypt]

So what's the problem?

[old zephyr]

but at this point in expac not much is Ilvl upgrade

[primal crypt]

Im back

Squeeze me in

[lusty grotto]

Haste does impact damage reduction though, in the form of lower cds and gcds

[primal crypt]

Lower shield block cds

[old zephyr]

That I am well aware of

[primal crypt]

With haste

Shield uptime trumps everything

Even in between packs

[lusty grotto]

Also deep wounds ticks

[primal crypt]

Tick faster

With haste

Faster booty claps

From faster avatars