ignore pain somewhere in there
#protection
primal crypt
Demo shout paired with avatar booty clap
should keep you alive fairly well
dont be afraid to ask for externals
that's what they're there for
lusty grotto
and yeah we don't offer high HPS
primal crypt
some work
lusty grotto
should be pretty self explanatory
primal crypt
you actually have to watch your mitigation
hidden fulcrum
Lmao, so instead of trolling about my lack of knowledge under the current field, offer insight. That is what I’m here for after all. Some insight from folks who have invested time in protection.
lusty grotto
vdh have spirit bomb and soul cleave... we have nothing unless we kill something and then we can use victory rush
so yeah HPS is nowhere near VDH or BDK
primal crypt
I literally told you what you should be using
primal crypt
oh
lusty grotto
:p
primal crypt
50%party
hidden fulcrum
Right, so, that was my original question. I asked what hps you guys are pulling. I was curious if ward legit don’t pull any anymore. Back in legion wars did massive hps
lusty grotto
i dont think thats true
since i think at some point IP got removed from healing meters
but at the start of legion, our IP was kind of in there for some reason
but yeah it shouldn't be in since it's not a healing ability
plus little things like leggo bracers and stuff healed us but it was really minimal
hidden fulcrum
Yeah it’s just a totally new place for me. Not seeing much hps was confusing. So how is war right now? Are they ion par with the other tanks? I don’t raid I mainly do m+
lusty grotto
we are top dps as tanks in M+
as long as the prot warrior knows how to play he will do very well in M+
primal crypt
100k dps on big pulls
lusty grotto
and the dps we provide help push keys
but obviously utility-wise we are a tad behind
hidden fulcrum
So I’ve noticed that
lusty grotto
no sigil or gorefiends, no 90% bdk slow
we make up for it in raw mitigation
and dps
hidden fulcrum
Aoe stun is nice and the multitude of defensive cds does feel nice
primal crypt
BUT
lusty grotto
well to be fair there's only 1 defensive cd, the rest are used in rotation
hidden fulcrum
What one cd you talking about? Shield wall?
lusty grotto
yes
hidden fulcrum
Yeah I use everything else in rotation
lusty grotto
the rest of them we need to keep up, and their cds are small due to AM
hidden fulcrum
anger management? Is that what’s reducing my shout cd lmao? With deafening crash if feels like it’s up all the time
hidden fulcrum
Lmao see I haven’t even read my traits since start of bfa.. I’m very out of practice for prot war
lusty grotto
right but AM is a talent, not a trait
hidden fulcrum
That’s what I meant
lusty grotto
anyway yeah demo shout is important to keep up on mobs
it reduces every type of dmg and increases our dps
hidden fulcrum
So are you guys feeling like we mitigate physical damage exceptionally but not so much magic dmg? Assuming spell reflect is on cd or doesn’t reflect the dmg?
hidden fulcrum
Right. Well I will say I had my rotation jacked up for 2-3 dungeons lol..
lusty grotto
if you die to magic it's usually because people aren't interrupting or whatever
hidden fulcrum
Yeah typical
hidden fulcrum
Right. Well thanks for the info fellas appreciate it
lusty grotto
npnp
upper ivy
New prot player question: With the introduction of blocking ranged physical attacks, does SB affect that? It states melee attacks in the tooltip but wondering if that's just a tooltip error / outdated.
tight tree
Yes
upper ivy
Aight, thank you!
cloud bone
We no longer have to deal with rocks it's great
lusty grotto
bolster also @upper ivy
remember both shield block and bolster are guaranteed blocks while they are up
upper ivy
Didnt even think about Bolster - thank you!
ionic fern
Good morning.
We finally did our first mythic raid with the new guild and got up to Vectis in a night..
I felt like my health was yoyo'ing a lot more than i'd like it to and i'm curious to as if it was just my bad play or something else so if anyone has some time and could check the logs real fast i'd appreciate it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jtV7ywvz3ArNgMpx/#fight=30&type=damage-taken&source=11
jade shell
does versatility increase the dmg of spell reflect?
stone crag
neon tangle
@ionic fern your SB uptime looks a little low
e.g. when your health dipped super low it's when you took a 93k melee w/ nothing up at the end of ~10s of no heals
neon tangle
also FWIW 373 ilvl isn't super outgearing it
ionic fern
Jeah, i usually took 2 Stacks while the paladin took 1 stack.
ionic fern
Because of how we dealt with the add taunting.
lusty grotto
in uldir?
finite notch
Yes
lusty grotto
you shouldnt use 2x archives unless you plan on parsing dps
you only need the one for RA
daring marlin
And what if it's the highest ilvl you have, hmmmm?
finite notch
Well he’s only 373 so that could be the case
lusty grotto
to answer your question
lusty grotto
yeah but it definitely looks like it's not his trait selection
more IPs, more SRs
better rage management
lusty grotto
there are definitely some huge gaps without LS
ionic fern
Jeah, is that bad? 😂
ionic fern
That question was regarding Devastate.
My first mythic raid as a warrior tho, hence why i'm here asking.
neon tangle
devastate has a 30% chance of resetting the CD on shield slam
daring marlin
devastate is dogshit
ionic fern
I diddn't really feel like i had a lot of GCD's to spare tbh
lusty grotto
don't hold LS for anything, use it on SB gaps, also yes Sadbox is right, more rage means more IPs
you should have enough GCDs
IP is off the gcd, that's no excuse
devastate -> SS reset -> rage
neon tangle
@ionic fern also you had 9 revenge procs, 41 revenge casts
lusty grotto
and convert that rage into IPs
lusty grotto
yep
so in summary
spend rage on IP, use devastate more on empty gcds for SS resets, use SR to manage affliction, cover SB always with LS (don't hold it for anything else)
everything else looks ok
less proc-less revenges
hopefully if those are managed, your health won't bounce up and down
ionic fern
Should i also then swap my head trait from Archive to BoI?
I forgot all about that tbh. 😒
neon tangle
also I'd be less stingey with shield wall too
I use it to cover gaps in SB / bolster
it comes off CD relatively quickly with AM
lusty grotto
let me go back on what i said, if you are progressing then absolutely go BFI
lusty grotto
just make sure you have that archive too
daring marlin
I went through this goofy shit and found a random prot warrior that's one item level higher than you that took like 6k less damage a second than you
Just so you can compare side by side
neon tangle
@ionic fern also just as a general rule, using revenge outside of procs is kinda like running dps trinkets, it's a choice between mitigation and survival
if you're ever worried about dying, use it on IP
daring marlin
I wouldn't really use procless revenge ever in mythic unless I'm not actively tanking.
or trying to parse
:^)
ionic fern
He only takes 1 stack of the debuff tho
I take 2 stacks @neon tangle
I feel like that's what's wrecking me
lusty grotto
time to sleep
daring marlin
Why is it that he takes 1 stack when he has 15 item levels on you anyway?
ionic fern
Idk, guess it's just how it went. He starts tanking..i taunt at 1..he taunts the add..then he taunts the boss back when the add is dead and by that time i got 2 stacks
daring marlin
k so basically
one big thing I noticed between you and that other warrior I linked
he had a minute longer on the fight
but
he still had 10 more IPs than you
He has like double the uptime you have it appears
so yeah, more IPs
when actively tanking anyway
ionic fern
Hmpf, aight. I'll work on not spamming Revenge when it hasn't procced and using IP instead.
Thanks.
neon tangle
Also we always just have the active tank ( or recently active one ) taunt the mob
Doesn’t change stacks
raven kernel
Revenge is only for dps
And you should be fine on threat with shield slam and avatar claps
ionic fern
Gotcha i gotta re-do my Revenge WA. I thought i set it up to ding only when it's a free proc but apparently not. 😂
ionic fern
Taking into consideration we will most likely down Vectis on our next raid..should a warrior be the MT or the OT on Fetid ? Co-tank is a prot paladin.
open bluff
MT
neon tangle
Going MT does give the pally the ability to use their immunities
More overall damage taken for you tho
And the pally beats you by 15ilvls, right?
ionic fern
Roughly jeah
open bluff
Not only that, but a fuckton of armor from SOTR will generally beat out just (occasionally crit) blocking thrash
ionic fern
Hmpf, and here i was thinking that Block was the best mitigation for Thrash aside from immunities.
open bluff
Meanwhile SB having constant uptime is stronger taking constant melees
But as mentioned, overall more damage for MT
open bluff
I mean, paladins can block too
And if they're specced into holy shield they'll block about 40% of thrashes in addition to having a ton of armor for every single one
neon tangle
And also just not taking a few of them
neon tangle
sorta in a similar boat, monks don't make the best OTs
because their mastery is dodge
Best OTs are prolly pallies and DKs (less so since 8.1, the EHP nerf hurts for that fight)
old zephyr
Stager makes monk good anyway
tulip pond
Definitely but I'd say they're better MTing since they ton of value from their mastery
old zephyr
Asside from pallyes and maybe DH noone like oftanking fetid
tight tree
Our DK does not feel any worse OT-ing Fetid after nerf. Anecdotal ofc.
outer dew
tight tree
He does not feel any weaker at all he said. So do i am not feeling any difference on my monk.
Feel stronger on warrior for sure tho, so overall a positive patch 😉
inner sail
Hey guys, im looking back into prot again for 8.1 how do you guy think prot warriors state now with the changes regarding 8.1?
old zephyr
A-MA-ZING
tight tree
Better but still behind monks/DKs i think. In its niche (physical mitigation) probably the best.
old zephyr
might be a little subjective though
tight tree
Thing is, nothing is strictly physical mitigation these days
old zephyr
I love my bigpulls in M+ and don't even have BoM (or a proper Jes' howler)
inner sail
As in M+ or raid envoriment
tight tree
If your group handling casters good, doing m+ on prot is most fun, i agree 😉
daring marlin
I like vial more than jes'
merry cave
I wouldn't say the pecking order changed a lot for competitive m+
tight tree
I have 395 disc 😉
merry cave
But we'll be better in raids
daring marlin
We were already good in raids though
merry cave
Ye we were good and now better 👌
old zephyr
there are dungeons (not a lot i'll agreed) like Uderrot, where prot is above though
tight tree
UR have some nasty casters tho
daring marlin
:^)
old zephyr
With all the CC whe have they can be shut down easyly
and you can reflect the boss
or trigger ridiculous amount of victory rush
daring marlin
first and last bosses
meh
only annoying part of that dungeon is the trash
which prot paladins are amazing for cuz of their insane amounts of interrupts
old zephyr
I don't think so.
Prot is very good in a couple dungeons, quite bad in a couple other, and on the low end of average on others
tight tree
Gameplay-feely wise it is way better after 8.1, i actually enjoy it now after charge/IP is off GCD.
daring marlin
385 on my prot warrior
double archive hella deeps
I wish I had taken that 395 disc from my buddy
oh well
tight tree
@old zephyr Maybe some crazy chinese group will shit on all meta and plow with prot warrior through MDI
old zephyr
I could see something like Protwar, Monk, Monk Boomy and rogue
Big Pull, RoP and SIlence for no damage and crazy AoE
I don't know, just spitballing
maybe we'll see some ElemSham, heard they have become OP
old zephyr
DH and rogue still seems to be kings anyway
tight tree
They always will be, kits way too good
I leveled DH for lols, it is insane fun somehow, with 3-button rotation, but utility makes up for it.
old zephyr
Druid is still OP
tight tree
Dispells, darkness, blade dance dodge
Yeah boomy do mongo DPS and have treants/aoe silence
and bearform
just again, way too good to pass
old zephyr
Healing Druid is strong as well
tight tree
yeah any druid (we not talking about bares here)
bare durids are for bench
they nerfed Resto tho in 8.1
very big Tranq nerf
old zephyr
My cotank for next Raid was Almost a bear. Hugh, this would have been unBEARable
tight tree
Most annoying thing on bear, is losing threat to your cotank all the time
old zephyr
I heard they hand crazy single target damage though
tight tree
Maybe now after buff
tulip pond
We had our boomkin 3rd tank Zul in prog, P2 was a painful exp for him apparently
old zephyr
Bear in mind :
Guardian druid almost only rely on healers to stay alive, so tou don't contribute for much mitigation agains zul ...
You have your Frenzied regen and then you are naked
tulip pond
I just find it baffling that bears dont even have the biggest hp pools anymore, wasnt that supposed to be their class fantasy
old zephyr
Prot can spam IP at least now
tulip pond
Just a big meat shield
old zephyr
they will have more in next patches where there is more mastery
sick sentinel
Isn't their mastery just supposed to give them more health and healing recieved?
old zephyr
at that point we will probably see less monks and more druids for progress
Yes it s, but this is first ier, secondaries are still low
tulip pond
Stagger too good to pass on prog
limpid forum
Does anyone know when and if the prot hidden artifact skin appears in highmountain? or is it personal?
tulip pond
And I think prot will become more and more better choice since they scale a lot with gear
sick sentinel
Yeah, we'll be busted in m+ when we reach critical numbers of party
vocal nimbus
@limpid forum personal
tulip pond
@limpid forum if I remember right it's personal as long you've read the tablet in order hall. Then you just need to check the cave daily
limpid forum
@tulip pond Thanks, that's what I'm doing - was hoping there was like a region-wide notification like the arms hidden artifact quest
marble cipher
Nope, it's a daily chore 😄
fly to cave, walk in there, see if you get an announcement in chat, cry a bit cause you didn't, rinse, repeat
limpid forum
been crying for months now guess I just have to keep trying
old zephyr
@sick sentinel Our main issue to be competitive in mythic is magic damage and utility. no amount of stats will change that I'm affraid.
We will be crazy good on SOME dungeons, be where we are bad we will probably remain bad
sick sentinel
I just wanted to make a 50% party joke
tight tree
Got my shield first day. Buuut now i cannot mog weapon other than mace to go with it, since game treats them as 1 item
I love shield but i dislike maces. It goes well with mythic Blackhand sword.
wary plume
Fits the dragon soul t11 set so nice though
stoic bluff
is the "optimal" azerite piece combo listed in the guide genreally for raids or good for m+ as well?
wary plume
The raid origination trait is a lot less useful in m+
old zephyr
But Currently you want to get it from MOTHER's helm which also has a good trait for M+ so It's still cool
sick sentinel
Yeah or a 385 helm from the weekly che... nevermind
stoic bluff
this is what im running atm. Was thinking maybe swapping chest?
sick sentinel
Bfi is really really good
prisma viper
1 Archives for raiding though
stoic bluff
im not gonna raid tank so thats ok
old zephyr
if you don't raid This is good
prisma viper
Yeah, but I would swap 1 BfI for BoM
old zephyr
You could replace BfI with BoM but this is still very good
prisma viper
If its for M+
stoic bluff
i do have chest with BoM but its only 375
stoic bluff
yeah gonna do some m+ tonight so guess ill see. Thanks for the input
old zephyr
BfI would help against sustained damage (typical Tyranical week) While BoM would be good fo big pulls
maybe swap depending on the week
tight tree
Its just neat to have free IP when you about to go ham on DPS
old zephyr
The extra block in nice though
oblique garnet
Its the extra damage
old zephyr
I often feel like I have enough rage for it not to be THAT important
sick sentinel
( that's how much a 385 piece is giving me)
old zephyr
The extra critblock and AP though
During a boss fight it's not that string, but If you pull like 3 packs with all CDs The AP and Critblock becomes VERY relevant
boreal summit
hey deadspex how you doin
sick sentinel
@old zephyr I think regard magic dmg, warrior will be rly good or even one of the best now for m+, besides fact warrior in BFa always been good on m+
yesteday I saw JdotB and Barokoshama and they were doin 18 freehold with prot
and people on chat was rly "suprised, how good prot is!"
old zephyr
Prot is great for freehold
sick sentinel
but to be honest only buff we get is 2sec faster recharge on shield block
which is not that impactful on m+
And a fuckton more armor
in my opinion we just get nerf on treit with thunder clap which is more important then this 3% more armor
lol
how much more armor did u get after 8.1?
The dc nerf is does not affect m+ that much
nah, its rly impactful
you could make really big pull and all time during this pull have -20% dmg red
Because even though it lasts less, it can recharge while downtime or when fighting 1-2 mobs
which is better then have off GCD ignore pain or 3% more armor
You still have it on pull
And for 14 seconds on the pull when everything is still alive
Then things start to die and you get victory rushes
yea
but
the idea is
you go all in on big ppull
shield wall, shouts and avatar and doin crazy dmg
and u keep demo shout all fight on pig pull bcs of avatar
Yeah I agree that it's a big nerf
What I'm saying is that overall or survivability increased
Even though we got one got one nerf
yea thats true
but its so funny
bcs if now pros will steaming how they do 18/19s with prot warr
now will everyone realized how good prot is
besides in 8.1 its not big change for warr overall
Yeah but others got nerfed
indeed
but idiot pugs that are looking for 13-14-15 for "BDK ONLY"
and they dont even know why do they need BDK ONLY
now maybe realized
prot is also good and will be easier to get any key on pug life ^^
mossy narwhal
The bdk only groups are stuck in legion i think. Although for utility dk is good, but that warr dmg xD
sick sentinel
yea prot warr utylity is dmg 😛
mossy narwhal
You're pretty much taking 4 dps from what i've seen
sick sentinel
yea
sometimes if you get dps trinkets u are nr1 on big pull with dps ^^
I got 390 crit in use trinket from new world boss
and 2x crit rat stacking to 5 from inner ring in azerit armor
and i have like 30% rit on pull
i need only 1 avatar treit to boost AP from mastery
tidal scarab
What are you going to do next week when it's raging/necrotic though? All that dps utility kind a goes to waste, doesn't it?
mossy narwhal
Won't go to waste, you just kite
mossy narwhal
For like 6 secs its not that bad really
mossy narwhal
Tree preferably lol
mossy narwhal
Seem to get one shot these days maybe be ok next week with tyrannical and not fortified
sick sentinel
so 1 big slow
mossy narwhal
Treants i mean
livid tendon
prot war after changes :hypers:
steady fiber
this week is hard for prot war?
sick sentinel
What else do you ask for
is ok
prot is better on tyra
but this is not a big deal to be honest between tyra or forti
we got to good def CDs for both combination
steady fiber
or just 365 ilvl is to low for 9+ keys , bcs i was melting in there like dunno what
mossy narwhal
I think prot and monk have some advantages on tyra but im not expert. Seem better at mitigating that dmg
sick sentinel
yea
but also aoe dps is rly nice for forti
so
its always pros and cons
on tyra or forti
mossy narwhal
As bdk i have been taking a lot of dmg on bosses recently even on fortified ( the giant on siege for example
tidal scarab
That's what an armor nerf will make you feel
sick sentinel
yea i also tanked as BDK but i did not like mechanic that i need to take averything on face and heal up from this 😛
thats why i back to my prot 1.5month ago
and i no regret
especially when u do so much dps and u can carry pugs on ur thunder claps ^^
tidal scarab
Feel like DK tanking is for the people that enjoy more spice in their life. Nothing compares to that split second where you drop to 20% hp and heal to full with 1 DS
sick sentinel
yea 😄
mossy narwhal
Yeah i love that
livid tendon
if youre pushing for m+ then having a tank that needs 90% less healing thanother tanks have pretty big impact on timer
cus healer dps matters pogu
sick sentinel
its not true
mossy narwhal
Tbh, prot warr is probably compensating for the missing healer dmg
sick sentinel
bcs healer cant do much dps on prot warr its a fact
mossy narwhal
Bdk can survive things that other tanks can't tho
sick sentinel
but healer healing and prot warr is doing dps like a real dps
My resto druid is going cat form just fine
so u cancel 10-15k dps from healer but in fact u got prot warr who is doin 80k on bug pull ^^
livid tendon
nedge
sick sentinel
so you are still profit
sick sentinel
ususally
i got overall dps
like 11-14k
depends of dung
from freehold i had like 13.5k
tidal scarab
I mean my BDK has overall average 12k with average 15k healing
sick sentinel
and from WCM i was almost 13.3k
tidal scarab
So..
sick sentinel
@livid tendon are you comparing with pre 8.1 numbers ?
tidal scarab
- prot is cheesing the numbers this week with how good they are on trash + teeming, a lot more adds to blast
oblique garnet
Thats pretty low numbers tbh
sick sentinel
yea but on big pull like on freehold u can t do 90k dps as BDK
oblique garnet
Im doign on average 19k dps overall
tidal scarab
No but you can do 50k hps
oblique garnet
You dont need to do 50k hps when you dont drop below 90%
sick sentinel
yea... ^^
oblique garnet
Bring boomkin and thats about kt
sick sentinel
my trinket from mythrax never pop up on pulls 😄
sick sentinel
15/16
oblique garnet
17+
tidal scarab
Nobody is comparing hps to anything
sick sentinel
Because if you are taking less damage you require less healing
blooddemo only told
he is doing quite good dmg
as BDK
That's why in raids we compare tanks with the "external healing required"
Yeah, I see that but he said "my bdk does 12k dps with 15k healing"
The healing part was not needed
😄
as a prot
i did yesterday 15k hps
on WCM 16
on pack before fat boss
mossy narwhal
How much of your healers healing do you take btw? In % i mean
sick sentinel
and this is not means anything
oblique garnet
You can do alot hps on pulls that have small mobs that sie fast
tidal scarab
Clearly you don't know how a bdk works Late
mossy narwhal
At the end of a dungeon on the details meter
sick sentinel
and heal it up
oblique garnet
Im talking about warrior blooddemo
sick sentinel
i have no idea 😄
sick sentinel
dont have reason to check this
mossy narwhal
It should say 40% etc
oblique garnet
Its a shame that the engineering cr has 5 sec cast time and a abysmal range
sick sentinel
yea
it should be on tooltip ^^
that was shock for me when i tryin ress healer ^^
Basically, they don't want people to drop the professions they had since vanilla to get eng
Lose all those recipes that no longer exist in the game etc
oblique garnet
Its still good
sick sentinel
So they can't make it mandatory to have
oblique garnet
You can use it for deathskips etc
sick sentinel
But it's a good bonus for us that are engineers already
Does it have a chance to fail in m+ ?
the good bonus
is enginnering head
oblique garnet
Eh
oblique garnet
You can do it on some bosses
sick sentinel
Pop trees and cr :P
oblique garnet
If you have trees you have a druid who can cr
sick sentinel
yea 😛
True
Fuck
its no reason o cast it when u got druid
Eeehhh earth elemental
Use Rocky and cr👀
oblique garnet
You can ress during some boss animations etc
oblique garnet
Nah not yazma
oblique garnet
Fuck spiders
sick sentinel
True
livid tendon
N kage im comparing my experience with my group
oblique garnet
And usually if the person has died on yazma its to the spiders which mean you cant get close enough to cr
But on like last boss of shrine
sick sentinel
Fuck it's less useful than I thought originally
sick sentinel
Maybe 3rd boss tol dagor?
livid tendon
Also just having bdk will always be better just because of the utility
sick sentinel
@livid tendon I'm not arguing about dk utility, thats always really good
livid tendon
I mean you guys are arguing for prot war being good because you can pump nubmers
chilly brook
but muh utility
sick sentinel
Just saying, number one hunter on my realm told me that they have been taking less bdks because they die too easily
chilly brook
I mean if you think that's the only reason prot is good lmao
sick sentinel
"At least warriors don't die when tanking more than 1 pack"
sick sentinel
no we dont seyin we good bcs of number
we just can take much more
then dk
and still doin dps
instead of kiting
and ususally we dont need to kite bcs when def cds are goin to end
tidal scarab
You think just because a bdk might kite after some time, they don't do damage anymore?
chilly brook
Damage just happens to be a nice area where we pretty much roflstomp the other tanks
sick sentinel
i told u also
i got 381 bdk
and 385 prot warr
i know both these specs 😃
and I can see diff between them
livid tendon
ye gz same
chilly brook
wadu hek does that even mean
chilly brook
I have yet to see a blood dk do over 100k 😉
tidal scarab
You know what they say
livid tendon
xd
sick sentinel
yea
chilly brook
That would have been true
sick sentinel
I feel nerf in 8.2 ^^
chilly brook
Except we didn't get nerfed
sick sentinel
they just will nerf only talent which is boosting avatar
hat my predictions 😛
thats*
tidal scarab
I mean there was no prot hype before 8.1
chilly brook
And buff our other abilities to compensate
tidal scarab
Buff our other abilities, that's a nice dream to have
sick sentinel
blooddemo, bcs noone cares about it^^
chilly brook
They'd have to
wary plume
There's 1 build and the rest suck
tidal scarab
Why would they have to?
sick sentinel
the problem is
they should buff only weaker tanks
and dont nerf to much 1 tier
before 8.1
oblique garnet
Everyone i have played with preferred my prot warrior over my bdk in m+ even pre 8.1
chilly brook
You nerf our damage around TC you have to bring the other abilities up since damage is tied directly to threat
sick sentinel
yea
tidal scarab
So they can take stuff away from blood but not compensate but god forbid they can't do the same to prot warrior? Damn, what kind of fantasy world do you live in
chilly brook
Blood's single target doesn;t revolve arounf Bonestorm....
sick sentinel
😄
chilly brook
herp derp
tidal scarab
I mean I doubt it's the ST dmg that would get nerfed for prot though
chilly brook
Someone needs to analyze prot logs
tidal scarab
So not sure what you are trying to say
chilly brook
If you nerf Tc you nerf our St........
oblique garnet
^
tidal scarab
I mean I don't play prot so I wouldn't know
chilly brook
Obviously lol
wary plume
They might give it the fist of fury treatment
chilly brook
I only said TC is almost 50% of our single target
oblique garnet
The prot warrior damage is more or less the same as it is before 8.1 with the only exception that you can get the new trait to boost your damage even higher
sick sentinel
yea
oblique garnet
Eh
oblique garnet
Yoou no longer have to waste gcds on intercept and ip so it pretty much evens it out
sick sentinel
Well not spending GCDs on IP gives us more gcds to do damage
wary plume
Ye true
sick sentinel
The problem with tanks is not numbers but tool kits, dks and Brm are pref tanks because the bring added value to a certain composition to push higher keys, these nerfs to some tanks and buffs to others only made sure the top tier ones and low tier ones are closer to eachother
yea
now
bleak vigil
wtb better magic protection
sick sentinel
prot wariors are doing also 19-20
mossy narwhal
Tbh only bdk nerf i didn't agree with was the armour loss. Not looked much into warrior changes but they seem positive
wary plume
But muh spell reflect
sick sentinel
like bdks
sick sentinel
so its everythign possible 😃
chilly brook
yes
bleak vigil
ofc
chilly brook
Which is why you can't nerf TC without compensation
bleak vigil
spam thunderclap alldayeveryday
mossy narwhal
I thought it would have been shield slam :D
wary plume
Nah lmao
sick sentinel
prot warr thunder clap is like enh shaman stormstrike xD
tidal scarab
I mean you could, they nerfed guardian to literally being useless for 2 expansions now
mossy narwhal
It sounds so powerful too lol
sick sentinel
u can bind TC on scroll
chilly brook
Guardian just got a huge damage buff.....
sick sentinel
and keep rollin ^^
lol
If you want to change the tiers of tank they need to rework dks and monks and nerf there toolkits which is not going to happen
guardian is pretty godd
good*
livid tendon
2 expansions??
sick sentinel
go check
tidal scarab
Who cares if they got a damage buff if they fall over at the first sight of adds
chilly brook
12% across the board lmao
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
he is doin 18s
bleak vigil
class desing keeps going downhill
sick sentinel
so
livid tendon
they were bis literally whole legion but ok
chilly brook
^
tidal scarab
Whole Legion?
ember arrow
no
tidal scarab
The fuck
ember arrow
monks were best for raid
mossy narwhal
Tbh guardian needed it xD
sick sentinel
we are talkin about m+
tidal scarab
What meme is this
sick sentinel
not raids 😃
ember arrow
m+ bear was alays bad
chilly brook
I mean if you don't play warrior why are you in the discord? Just curious
livid tendon
m+ in bfa omegalul
tidal scarab
Is this like warrior only lul
ember arrow
you must play a class in a game, to join an unrelated app
chilly brook
Having a sub in bfa, omegalul
ember arrow
alright
oblique garnet
Nah this is more like bdk discord
bleak vigil
playing anything else than bdk in mythic+ >_>
chilly brook
Nah that's not what I said
sick sentinel
so go 5x BDKs 😛
chilly brook
I asked why would you be in this discord if you don't play the class? As in what are you looking to get out of it?
sick sentinel
But than again if you have a good group warriors are fine for it
tidal scarab
I mean why couldn't I get some info on other classes?
ember arrow
i love this, disregarding the gigantic nerf they just received
chilly brook
Because I'm genuinely curious
bleak vigil
who said i dont play the class ? my main is bdk sure i play warrior as alt
oblique garnet
Did monk actually get massive nerf or am i missing something?
chilly brook
That's fine if you want info, if that's the case what can we help you with?
quiet crane
Lol monks nerf was laughable honestly
oblique garnet
Ye i thought so aswell
quiet crane
It doesn’t affect a good monk only the ones new to it
sick sentinel
monks had also same toolkit on legion
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quiet crane
Not for mythic plus
oblique garnet
Monks are now best for m+
quiet crane
Not they were good don’t get me wrong
sick sentinel
first world 18 or 19 tyra BRH
sick sentinel
was tanked by monk 😃
quiet crane
But they’re far more powerful in this expac for mythic plus
ember arrow
point?
ember arrow
suuuure
sick sentinel
what meta or community seys 😃
bleak vigil
sure
ember arrow
go do shrine 21 with a bear
chilly brook
I bet Nihilo could lmao
quiet crane
Guardian best for raid
sick sentinel
hehe
quiet crane
In what context do you mean that
sick sentinel
yea maybe not shrine
ember arrow
not now, not in legion
chilly brook
I mean tbh Guardian was best in raid in Legion up until their deserved nerf
quiet crane
Yeah they were bonkers
sick sentinel
Like you can be a good tank but you still depend on your m+ comp
chilly brook
Not when Mark existed lmao
ember arrow
undervalued monks
livid tendon
yes because roar was not mandatory on 90% of the endbosses for high tier raiding 4heda
tidal scarab
Press F for Mark of Ursol
mossy narwhal
Nihilo plays his druid well, no one can deny that i think. He is pushing into high keys after all
livid tendon
progressing KJ with and without x2 guardian druid was literally a different fight
chilly brook
Post nerf they weren't close to as good but they were still top tier tanks for raid
quiet crane
But in terms of dealing with specifics then still not quite they were just a really strong jack of all trades
ember arrow
bears were paper on kj, roar was why they were taken
oblique garnet
As a tank you can only push keys as high as your group is capable of doing
mossy narwhal
Shame you have to talent into a charge for them, and with vortex as a choice you won't have anything to close the gap except the skull bash
chilly brook
implying other tanks weren't paper on KJ when released
quiet crane
Brew was so fucking powerful for soaks and also the bosses stacking claws
ember arrow
warr wasnt
tidal scarab
@mossy narwhal https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Nihillo#season=season-bfa-1 Is this the guy you are talking about?
chilly brook
Uhhhh did Warr even see pre nerf KJ? lmao
quiet crane
Probably not I don’t remember
mossy narwhal
@tidal scarab ye
ember arrow
i did him quite early on, but you could tank him above 90% hp
tidal scarab
High keys, dude is under 1800 and is rank 3 guardian in the world 🤔
bleak vigil
wheres cutting edge
ember arrow
out of 4 playing
tidal scarab
Sounds like a nice meme
mossy narwhal
Lol 4 xD
quiet crane
The thing I dislike about io and shit though and the stigma about it is when people call certain people shit
It’s a group effort not up to any one individual
livid tendon
i mean utility is literally why you bring any class to any content ???
if youre at the high end of it
mossy narwhal
Well, 18 isn't high thrn i guess
quiet crane
You can have one legendary player but anyone else on the group just shuts it down
chilly brook
I mean you have to be a top 52 DK to be over 2k.........
mossy narwhal
What is high these days lmao
quiet crane
Really need to find a regular group I do 😦
tidal scarab
People keep forgetting that in m+ at a high level damage matters obviously but utility will be always more preffered to be able to do good pulls and make the timer
quiet crane
Well due to pugs I can fucking beat anything over a 12 but I’d say 20 is high
chilly brook
Acting like 1800 is a low score when less than 60 of the "top" tank has 2k or above
bleak vigil
yea its clear dk is on top and for a clear reason
chilly brook
:thonking
chilly brook
"ok"
mossy narwhal
Yeah, and on the lowest ranked m+ tank no less
quiet crane
DKs are because of their stupid toolkit
woeful otter
So is Jes howlis' only good tanking trinket?
tidal scarab
I mean the high dk's are 2.7k
livid tendon
i mean my comment was towards the kj/bear talk, but it applies to m+ as well
wary plume
Wtb heroic throw silence back
quiet crane
For survival you mean hairy?
quiet crane
I want all my banners back and shield slam dispelling and sunder armour abilities
oblique garnet
The high dks are also complaining how weak they are currently feeling🤔
sick sentinel
you mean the TOP of world like 0.001% players is really good score yes? ^^
like 1.6k is really high
ember arrow
the tan ktaht got 3 buffs, does more dmg than many dds, can facetank +20s, is complaining about dks
ok this is epic
quiet crane
No trinks are honest good for survival personally I’d run dps trinks however
chilly brook
54,352 DK tanks on the leaderboard
quiet crane
Veiled eye isn’t that shabby for mythic plus only
woeful otter
Not even 1 defensive? haha
chilly brook
Only 110 with 1800 or above
sick sentinel
yea
oblique garnet
Idk how this convesation even came to take place
quiet crane
Not really hairy they’re pretty shit this expac it’s not like having one will definitely make a game breaking survival get outta jail free card
tidal scarab
Think your math is off
ember arrow
chilly brook
It's not
bleak vigil
its still about the group and how you handle things
woeful otter
TBH i feel like we need a cheat death mechanism like literally all oother tanks
chilly brook
Literally only taking the tank score
slender badge
Lmao
ember arrow
you mean like only dh actually realistically ever takes?
quiet crane
Lol what tank has a chest death mech persides DH and BDK
ember arrow
and dh, bears, monks don have?
tidal scarab
That cheat death mechanic is useless in keys now
quiet crane
Not even BDK takes there’s
woeful otter
palas have
mossy narwhal
And which bdk takes it
quiet crane
Oh
ember arrow
well then
quiet crane
Well
ember arrow
my point
quiet crane
Technically yes AD is a cheat death CD but you shouldn’t usually hold it for that
Unless there’s some sorta pre plan for it
quiet crane
It’s extremely weak so to speak even if it dies save you bringing you back to 20%
You’re practically gunna die the next hit
ember arrow
cheat death implies its actually cheating death passively
chilly brook
My internet has literally gone to shit
quiet crane
^ eh
Idk what to define a cheat death as
But I affiliate it with a rogue they meant to die but didn’t
But it could be understood two ways I spose
quiet crane
My nets trash to 😦
bleak vigil
us >_>
tidal scarab
So is US
sick sentinel
US
oblique garnet
Youre looking only at us
tidal scarab
whole world
sick sentinel
not world xD
bleak vigil
rofl
chilly brook
lmao you wanna add even more shitters
tidal scarab
Feelsbad
ember arrow
well
tidal scarab
US nr 1
ember arrow
russia=ukraine
sick sentinel
Griff you fucked up tho
sick sentinel
😄
slender badge
Implying EU are shitters 😂
quiet crane
Yikes
bleak vigil
US 🤦
oblique garnet
EU rank 1 tho
quiet crane
Well
chilly brook
@sick sentinel Nah cuz now the number is gonna get even smaller
And no I'm not implying that EU is bad
quiet crane
I say fuck you all im Aussie and I’m awesome
oblique garnet
Its gonna get bigger
slender badge
That feel when you fuck up and can't admit it
tidal scarab
Fuck, no popcorn
chilly brook
I'm implying that now the portion of DKs percentage wise with a score of 1800 or better is going to be much lower
oblique garnet
Well yeah the % is gonna be lower most likely
tidal scarab
Fuck me, got to get back to work, thanks for the good memes though
quiet crane
#alitteofftopic
chilly brook
458/151,533
quiet crane
Ahhh ok sweet cheers late
chilly brook
So you're now looking, surprisingly at a small increase
oblique garnet
Your overall score might get higher but you can see the tank score separately aswell as the dps and healer scores
chilly brook
0.3% of the top DKs have a score of 1800 or higher
So again implying that 1800 is only "ok" is hilarious
quiet crane
Ahhh not to familiar with all that crap... just the classes I play
chilly brook
Number gets even lower with DH's
quiet crane
I really dislike the ranking system though so probably why I don’t take a huge interest in “score”
sick sentinel
lol
chilly brook
You see what I'm getting at?
tidal scarab
I mean I also say that my 1952 is average I guess, so it's not like I'm shitting on 1800
chilly brook
If you have an 1800 score or higher as a tank you're not "average"
You're the top 1%
sick sentinel
skore above 1.8k is nor avarage
tidal scarab
Well once you are there and you know that there are tanks running around with 2.7k
You feel very average
sick sentinel
no
oblique garnet
Im shit at the game still almost 1.8k
chilly brook
The top 1% of the 1% lmao
quiet crane
Jesus Christ
wary plume
Tfw Elon must feels average because bill gates is richer
sick sentinel
they are execptions
chilly brook
^
tidal scarab
99% of the wow community is casual af
sick sentinel
thats it
wary plume
sick sentinel
hehe
quiet crane
So much swinging going on down below in here
tidal scarab
Look at it like this
chilly brook
That's like saying 99 parses are average
chilly brook
And since you didn't get the 100 you're only average
tidal scarab
You have to take the numbers from them
wary plume
But it's not 1%
tidal scarab
You are including every single person ever
sick sentinel
yea
sick sentinel
and this is like 0.01 or even less
chilly brook
That's how leaderboards work and rankings
ember arrow
what does that matter blood
oblique garnet
Pretty sure that doesnt even count +2s
chilly brook
ember arrow
doing a +2 means you participated in m+
tidal scarab
It matters if you want to have a more precise %, why are you comparing best people and someone who has done 1 key
oblique garnet
Since io takes the top 500 scores
tidal scarab
in the same category
sick sentinel
Hey guys, I just see that demoralizing shout has now 15 sec cooldown instead of 45sec, when does it got up ?
chilly brook
It is a precise %....
wary plume
Depending on volume
round vortex
Hells yea guys!
wary plume
Most of them you need to be at least +9
round vortex
chilly brook
You are the top 1% of the io leaderboard lmao
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel its pvp talent called morale killer
tidal scarab
Yeah it's precise but the pool of people you take the % from is a meme
wary plume
So it doesn't include +2s
chilly brook
That's not average
round vortex
Did the thing! lol Bonus roll as well