the extra life from distance
#protection
oblique garnet
Globules
primal crypt
@potent anvil is tank main now
warm plinth
^
primal crypt
HNGGGGG
warm plinth
And does it while being hit in the face.
oblique garnet
Yamo unless you do 20k overall dps im dissapointed in you
oblique garnet
Fh anything above 10
Getting 20k+ on anything that doesnt have infested is cakewalk
primal crypt
my balls are tingling
real cape
guys... i need some helping here. Two laser matrix traits is worth it
ionic tangle
from Kings rest
ionic tangle
which offensive/defensive is more applicable for raiding scenarios
i feel rezans has both offensive and defensive capability
plucky viper
i have a noob question.....whats a good order from 1 to = to have my spells
signal plover
How big are your hands?
plucky viper
i know there are guides but none of them ihave seen mention this
signal plover
And do u have a mouse with buttons on the side?
plucky viper
i have a button with just two buttons on the side, i put bounding stride on one
hot locust
@plucky viper A lot of people have very different binds from eachother, it's all just kind of a preference thing really.
oblique garnet
^
signal plover
Whatever is comfortable and makes sense
outer dew
Holy that sounds uncomfortable to me
oblique garnet
I have binds all over my keyboard and mouse
signal plover
I would recommend rebinding
hot locust
personally speaking I'd rebind anything past 6 to modifier or other keys.
urban walrus
1-5 maybe 6 max?
plucky viper
well to be fair, i also use my mouse for movement
signal plover
Yeah maybe 6 but that'll force you to move your hand
plucky viper
i dont use wasd
ionic tangle
jesus wtf has prot discc become lol
oblique garnet
Lala how did the freehold go?
real cape
so what you guys think about bloodsport trait?
hot locust
ezpz
was just short of 3 chest though
a couple more bigger pulls would have been good
signal plover
Noob
oblique garnet
What lvl was it?
signal plover
Cmon
hot locust
just a 13
oblique garnet
Ah
hot locust
15 waycrest now though, so that's probably another +2
oblique garnet
How much dmg did you do overall?
signal plover
Can ya try harder man ur letting us down
urban walrus
Uggghhhh
signal plover
I'm always like yada yada lala has a big dick and ppl are like no it's small
oblique garnet
So you should just get 100% before going to last boss
urban walrus
Wm gave me nightmares this week
hot locust
I just don't play the game much unless it's fun Paw
primal crypt
390
outer dew
but not sure how i feel
hot locust
and it was definitely not fun playing 8.0 prot (for me)
signal plover
@hot locust I'm drunk at a Christmas party bb ur a wonderful being keep doing what u do
oblique garnet
Idk how blizzard cant fix the teeming affix on WM its the same as last time
hot locust
Enjoy the party then!
signal plover
I'm looking forward to BoD
urban walrus
I think is because they fixed a tanking bug on last pack
You used to be able to tank then on a branch
oblique garnet
No thats not it since it happened on last teeming week aswell
The 2 adds that are supposed to come out are just stuck in a loop and all the adds keep resetting and cant be killed
supple path
I dragged them through to the boss's room and fought them on the stairs there and they stopped resetting.
oblique garnet
We tried that but they kept on resetting
steady dock
Hey guys, I need to fill in for G'huun Mythic next week. My poor warr is 372 and I wonder if I'll be able to survive shit at all. What're your thoughts? Is it doable by the skin of my teeth or I need to farm all the shit to get more gear?
hot locust
That's about what I started prog with, you can do it. It's just a little tight.
I'd definitely try to get a little more comfort ilvl or just wear defensive trinkets to play safe though.
steady dock
Was afraid that would be the case, just wanted to make sure. Oh well, thanks for the advise. I guess I'll be farming M+ until my brain fries then
😄
crystal creek
Also thanks for the stream Lala. 👍
sick sentinel
Waycrest is proper buggy
And teeming is shit
Like, you have to go out of your way and pull stuff from Africa
hot locust
@crystal creek I'll try to keep it up a bit more now that I'm playing more frequently again. Just wasn't ever really interested in playing much while the game was the way it was (and some external factors too, but whatever on that). 😛
crystal creek
👍 what was the party cd addon on the left?
hot locust
Tehr's WA
crystal creek
Wow, that's dope, ty.
hot locust
Yeah np, definitely takes a little setup because otherwise it's a bit bloated, but other than that it is excellent.
crystal creek
Ya it is, and easy to customize.
sick sentinel
Man, when they said they were going to fix trash in these dungeons I did not think id get a pamphlet of information
Christ all mighty, it was like one birthday after another for some of these dungeons
Also fucking hurray, we can cc the zerker adds
and their bleeds are less stronger but will still stack
primal crypt
❤
languid sigil
Soooo what traits are you going for now after 8.1?
Is Deafening Crash still viable after the nerf? 🤔
cinder nova
languid sigil
Gottcha
limber tulip
@Uncle
crystal creek
@oblique garnet Will be happy about the KR changes!
sand egret
holy nerfs batman
The Sand Queen's Buzzing Drone no longer melees, but casts Itchy Bite much more frequently. - pretty sure this is an huge buff on necrotic weeks
shut summit
yup
sand egret
and no double stack rng of that Explosive Blast
sharp warren
how are we now for tanking high mythic +?
shut summit
we were fine at it before, buffs just make it better
nova rover
Hey guys have the fixed the freehold thing for key?
where you kill the turtle first in 0 then run out and dont have it?
sick sentinel
It wasn't on the undocumented changes and I havent seen anyone say otherwise
lilac sleet
I tried it last night and it didn't seem to work, although we only killed first boss then pig/turtle
Not sure if you need to kill 2nd boss also
astral crystal
they also fixed the atal undead side warlock portal wall glitch
sick sentinel
THOSE FUCKING MONSTERS
timber vault
So, just kinda curious if yall have the numbers on hand
How much damage do yall tend to take on heroic Fetid?
timber vault
Main tanking, not thrashes
signal plover
phew +15 AD with 10 secs to spare
scenic lake
According to the logs from the last time I did it, main hits were around 45k, did poorly on keeping mitigation up tho
timber vault
Vectis
is fucking this group up
save me
2/4/6 and they let at least one add up per transition
signal plover
Also can confirm the FH turtle/pig skip didn't work for us tonight either
sick sentinel
@timber vault if ur doing vectis heroic pug, god speed
timber vault
We got it down
I had to soak pools every single transition
Thank god for the fact I can spell reflect the dot stacks vectis gives me to avoid stacks there
sick sentinel
yeah
What my old guild used to do for heroic vectis was do the varimthras start
a modified variant, and worked well
timber vault
The most efficient strat i see is the 4 point one
sick sentinel
I think thats the most common one everyone uses, I think
For drunk(normal) we all stacked except tanks and on heroic like I said we did the vari set up, two points and whichever side gets pool the side step until pool ends and then go back into their point
hollow zephyr
do prot warriors ever use victory rush?
sick sentinel
The talent, idk maybe if ur trying some meme shit
hollow zephyr
no the spell
stone crag
if it's available and you could use the heal, sure but getting a killing blow isn't that common
hollow zephyr
like is it ever in my rotation?
sick sentinel
^
stone crag
it requires a killing blow to use if not talented
almost impossible to use on most boss fights
sick sentinel
may get lucky and get the VR KB from the boss but you cant use it lol
signal plover
It's got uses in m+ when u smash KBs with avatar spam or on explosives weeks
sick sentinel
Always keep in mind, sacrfice ur group mates from more VR
worthy dagger
what WA you guys use for tracking CD and stuff
sick sentinel
for cds i like using Tehr's raid WA it got every utility defensive cd easy to make setup for raid or m+
@worthy dagger I use a WA that tells me how long I have left of a CD that I have used, a block tracketr and an "externals on me" wa
@hollow zephyr with the amount of damage you do, when you pull big you get victory rush often and utilising that correctly will keep you alive in situations where you would not be otherwise
sinful bay
how would you place prot in tank rankings now in 8.1 ? Did a waycrest this week and that was really bad. or is waycrest just bad for prot ?
sick sentinel
How high was the key?
sinful bay
10
sick sentinel
10 is really not that bad, are sure you were not overspending and using your cds appropriately?
Spell reflect the bolts and the infests etc
sinful bay
what do you mean with overspending ?
quiet crane
That’s a hard question depends for a start what was your gear like and do you have knowledge of the mobs in their and the debuffs they give plus’ the ones who do magic
Normally a +10 should give you no trouble with someone who’s familiar with warrs toolkit aswell as knowing the pulls and abilities within the dungeon
sick sentinel
@sinful bay overspending as in using ignore pain when your shield block is running out so you dont have rage for shieldblock
quiet crane
Example if you’re pulling a good amount of mobs with the casters or the witches with the shadow strike ability chances are without your cds for those pulls you’el get stomped
sick sentinel
The right part of the dungeon is really easy, the left part is more magic damage heavy and it hurts
quiet crane
^ as kage mentioned to you might have issues with your rage expenditure
sick sentinel
Because they do shadow damage cleave abilities
quiet crane
^^
sick sentinel
You need to know when you are supposed to use spell reflect for the 20% DR during trash
And when to use shieldwall
sinful bay
well I try to keep up shield block all the time and when there is no recharge left I use last stand in between but yea I think the problem was the magic damage of the witches there
sick sentinel
Fort/teeming is always nasty
neon tangle
Tich has silly empty leaderboards right now
You can get on them with a +2 in most dungeons
quiet crane
^ there’s that to teeming and fort sucks
sinful bay
yea bad week
neon tangle
They also take for fucking ever
sick sentinel
Did a 13 manor yesterday, got right bottom door
neon tangle
I depleted a +11 FH
sick sentinel
1st pull, whole room and then infested
neon tangle
1 death, just took so long to churn through mobs
sick sentinel
Second pull, whole hallway and then infested
3rd pull, whole boss room->infested
You can still pull huge
quiet crane
Not to mention WCM is shit for noting wxcelr the courtyard
sinful bay
I'm deciding which tank I want to play and I like the playstyle of prot but after that dungeon experience fun was gone 😄
neon tangle
Prot has a lot going on that you have to keep track of compared to some other tanks
quiet crane
There’s way to many factors, if you’re by chance implying it’s sub par is far from it
neon tangle
Takes a pile of runs to really get used to it
quiet crane
^ there’s that to its atm arguably the highest skill cap tank atm as it requires proper management of rage cds etc
One mistake will generally kill you
But it’s by no means weak
sick sentinel
There's a 1.8k .io hunter in my guild that just runs meta comps
And he told me that he has started seeing warriors
quiet crane
In fact in what it’s designed to do prot is a fucking powerhouse
sick sentinel
And I quote "because at least warriors don't die when tanking more than 4 mobs"
quiet crane
And their dmg is insane not to mention as tiers go on their vanguard passive and it’s buff is shaping them up to be God’s in my opinion
So if you enjoy the play style keep at it and get better
neon tangle
I expect in s2 we will see the boards skewed to certain tanks on certain runs
sick sentinel
Btw, the times I stayed alive by like 5k health just yesterday made me praise the buffs even more
neon tangle
DK on magic heavy dungeons
quiet crane
Sense is a legend to watch even if not on he’s stream just videos in general
quiet crane
^
sinful bay
I think you're right 😃 which dungeons are better for prot ? so I can get better in general with the easier ones first
quiet crane
As sad has said to referencing to my comment in what warriors are designed to do which is to handle physical damage they’re monsters
Absolute beasts
So if you love the play style don’t let a bad run or to ruin it for you could even be the group and healer aswell as I said way to many factors
More XP and practice you gain you won’t even ask questions anymore because you’el be able to answer then yourself through experience as to whether or not they can handle it
lavish oracle
Does anyone know if they fixed the turtle bug in freehold with the latest round of hotfixes? it doesn't say anything about it in the notes but I heard they stealth fixed the lock skip in AD and I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on that turtle skip too
sinful bay
hm which WA can you recommend for tracking all the cds ?
shut summit
@lavish oracle didnt work for us earlier
lavish oracle
Hm. Well that sucks for this week especially
Oh well, guess it was bound to happen sometime
sick sentinel
Btw, did an underrot, if you kill the patrol you can skip the mask with stealth
lavish oracle
Yeah, just the matrons got detector
sick sentinel
Also, undocumented change, the spirit totems that oneshot you have WAY less range now
So if a cast goes off you dont have to leap away to survive, you can just walk away
lavish oracle
I mean...I just walked away before
frosty holly
Ye never had any problems going away from that totems either. But maybe now pugs won't die to it 😄
grand trellis
what do you guys think, two brace for impacts or iron fortress and brace for impact
lavish oracle
If I had to choose between one of those two setups, I'd go double BFI
grand trellis
thats kinda what i thought
just not sure about how well prot traits stack defensively
lavish oracle
The guide in the pins covers each how the traits rank defensively
sick sentinel
YO
lavish oracle
If you're going for offense BoM/DC/Archive is the way to go, I think
lavish oracle
ye
sick sentinel
Reduced Venture Co. Mastermind Leech Globule healing by 50%
Increased Feckless Assistant Transfiguration Serum recast to 20 seconds (was 10 seconds).
Reduced Weapon Testers Echo Blade damage by 50%.
Reduced damage of Venture Co. Earthshaper’s Rock Lance by 25%.
the second rocklance case ( I reflected the first one) was my bane of existence
also
Reduced Spectral Berserker Severing Blade damage by 25%.
lavish oracle
I just find it funny that they reverted the Berserker change after like 2 days, lol
Reduced range on Bilge Rat Demolisher Terrifying Roar to 10 yards (was 30 yards), and added a precast visual.
My group was so bad about getting feared by that, haha
sick sentinel
so... we pushin?
lavish oracle
They stealth fixed a bunch of skips from what I hear, too
sick sentinel
I think I know how I will get my +15s in time for my FoS
lavish oracle
This is actually my favorite fix
Fixed a bug with the way Fetid Devourer uses his walk. No time to talk.
sick sentinel
lol
lavish oracle
Fetid walk was iconic
My raid was heartbroken when his walk was changed on tuesday, haha
Trell was going through all the changes on his stream a little while ago
tropic hollow
Where would you place prot Warriors in a raid Environment Compared to the other tank speccs ?
sick sentinel
@tropic hollow in a raid or an m+ enviroment?
tropic hollow
Raid
lavish oracle
I'd say like a solidly in line with Blood and Pally depending on the fight
Like way stronger on fights where damage is blockable
sick sentinel
top 2 I would say, depends how much magic damage there is in the new raid(s)
monks will always be the best because they are the most forgiving on mistakes
lavish oracle
Yeah, monk is still top spot by a pretty significant margin
sick sentinel
because of the nature of how the spec works
tropic hollow
So monk > pally=dk=warri ?
lavish oracle
Yeah, any fight where it's all blockable physical damage, warriors are gonna be pretty far ahead
tropic hollow
I havent played this Patch yet so idk how the dk nerfs affect raiding for them. But i think pally will be safer to play if you have magic and physical in the new raid ?
neon tangle
DK nerfs are pretty decently big for raiding
Around 8% EHP
Hurts in fights like fetid / mythrax
lavish oracle
I don't know much about pally, they seem like they're fine
soft kindle
@sick sentinel you see the giant nerf to Underrot?
actually possible to push tyran now
sick sentinel
yah
really nice
like, second bloodmirror was a soft enrage
unless the dps were literal gods
and interrupted properly
zinc mauve
now my priest has to reroll to a druid cause l m a o
strong shoal
my priest is rerolling to monk atm
zinc mauve
its gonna go from decent representation in very high m+ to probably 0 lul
sick sentinel
my priest rerolled to druid 3 weeks ago
lavish oracle
Is there a seasonal M+ feat of strength of somekind?
zinc mauve
maybe for your guild?
sick sentinel
he will still play his disc in raids
lavish oracle
I've seen it mentioned but I don't know that its an actual thing
sick sentinel
but for m+ he's druid
and @lavish oracle there is a feat of strength for timing every dungeon +10 and one for +15
before the release of the new raid obv
lavish oracle
Oh, weird, wonder why i don't have the +10 one
sick sentinel
if you don't you can contact a GM and he will tell you which one you have to do
I got mine for logging in
eager phoenix
you can also run this script to track your progress to confirm which dungeons you need to redo:
/script AddTrackedAchievement("13079")
lavish oracle
Oh, lol, apparently i've never timed a 10+ shrine, i just failed a 13 one week and figured "good enough"
eager phoenix
I had same issue. My oldest most recent happened to be Kings Rest +10 & was dated September 27th (i play multiple characters) and it didnt count. According to GM since they implemented the Feat of Str after m+ and bfa release runs before X date werent tracked for the achievements - even if you got the runs on record on your r.io profile.
prisma viper
Anyone done Tol Dagor after patch? Can you no longer stand inside his body to neglect Crossfire?
Last boss that is
oblique garnet
@primal crypt EVEN MORE DAMAGE!?!
minor fox
Anyone did the new trinket emissary?
minor fox
I got this one
Would that be enough to replace blockades, or rezan's gleaming eye?
I'm asking since besides blockades, I don't have an actual tanking trinket
oblique garnet
should be better over blockades
sick sentinel
@prisma viper yeap, but it's still easy to identify and dodge now
"trinket emissary" yeah... no
I got a 370 ring
minor fox
I called it like that cause most of the people that I've heard they did it got a trinket
sick sentinel
meanwhile, I have two 390 rings with haste so, to the crapper it went
scrapper
same thing
minor fox
at least I'll get a trinket for my demon hunter
I hope
that character has had a 273 trinket since leveling, and everything else is at least 360 on her xd
bronze radish
w
sick sentinel
w ?
vocal wagon
I'm trying to settle an argument -- in a bubble of having infinite healer support and never needing to press ignore pain, is devastator the best single target dps talent?
over booming voice
crystal creek
Trinket emissary? Curses EU!
onyx vessel
How do you dump rage fast enough without hitting ignore pain
Revenge then it procs then you cap
Feelsbadman
sick sentinel
@vocal wagon because of DC and how our whole build works and combos woth each other BV is the dps incense in AoE
onyx vessel
With dc nerf not a huge reason to take it
sick sentinel
Devastator gives more ST dps even now, without the healer support
If you want to maximise ST damage you can go devastator I guess with triple BfI
onyx vessel
But nothing beats booming in rage gen
sick sentinel
But having 1 dc and 2 bfi along with BV is more realistic
And you take significantly less damage while not losing anything noticeable, while allowing your healer to dps
onyx vessel
Some healers dont dps
sick sentinel
Don't bring them to m+ then
onyx vessel
Considering ignore pain is no longer on gcd why wouldnt you hit it
Free 4 seconds off cds
Regradless of capping the ip
sick sentinel
Like, if you wanna push, you need your resto druid to go cat form, you want your resto shaman to drop flame shock and insta cast lava bursts (lol resto shaman) disc priest is self explanatory, your paladin to drop conc, maybe go dps wings or something
It adds up
Im running with a resto druid and it's like were 5 dps in the group
steady slate
Is a 390 piece with Callous Reprisal going to outweigh a 375 piece with Deafening Crash?
wintry trout
No Bloodmallet trinket or azerite rankings for prot?
sick sentinel
@wintry trout there are no working sims for prot
@steady slate if that dc piece is your only piece, no
If you can somehow get DC in a different slot then yes
dense pivot
no sims for prot is a secret plot to keep blizz from nerfing prot dps
wintry trout
Blockades a good starter trink for prot?
oblique garnet
yes
sick sentinel
Blockades is an amazing starter for the sheer amount of survivability you get, so basically only replace it if you want more damage and with a 370+ trinket @wintry trout
The best course of action with trinkets is to send a screenshot here when you are not sure and we will help you with them
fiery pendant
15 ilevels worth dropping a brace for impact for iron fortress?
currently got 1 DC 2 BFI
sick sentinel
As long as you have a dc piece in your gear, do not drop ilvls for ANYTHING
eager hollow
upgrade or na? 🤔
oblique garnet
Nope
sick sentinel
Personally, I do not like having on use trinkets, but its objectively it's not an upgrade
sick sentinel
And avatar should line up with it
amber garnet
How's prot warrioter after 8.1 changes? Should I try and bring him to m+10 keys and higher or it's still a shitshow
small goblet
Hi, whats better, Callous Reprisal or Blighborne Infusion?
eager tartan
I'd argue it wasn't even a shitshow before 8.1
more to do with L2P issues than anything else
amber garnet
Might be true but the other tanks seemed to be so much better that noone wanted to play with warrior
even though he might have been viable
have that changed or we're still going to be neglected by the community
eager tartan
that's fair enough indeed, either way after 8.1 is better hands down
sick sentinel
@small goblet I would personally suggest getting the prot trait over any neutral trait
eager tartan
having said that, if you didn't enjoy the warrior before 8.1 I doubt you'll enjoy it much more now
eager tartan
for the record, the community is still going to probably look you down for a while
Until ubermethod pr0s and alike show'em on raids
having said that, god forbid pushing keys with pugs so. Never had much issues on that one
amber garnet
that's my case though, never had a m+ team so i'm bound to pugs
and after a month break its hard to get into groups as fury with r.io score behind
sick sentinel
You can do up to 13s easily with pugs
After that it's a little bit harder, but then you just gotta push your own key
eager tartan
I don't man, with teeming/fortified this week rather go with a fairly organized group to do decent skips
last week was ezpizi to pug though
oblique garnet
This week aint too bad for pugs
sick sentinel
I even 2chested a manor 13 this week
oblique garnet
Depends entirely on dungeon tho
sick sentinel
With pugs
oblique garnet
Temple KR and shrine are hardest to time with puhs
sick sentinel
And done a bunch of 12s for fun pretty smoothly
oblique garnet
Pugs
eager tartan
funny, did a 12 KR and a 13 Shrine without much issues today
but suffered like a rusted cunt in a 14 motherlode
fresh timber
i actually felt very comfortable doing a 15 ML when i ran one on weds on my warrior, being able to fit so much IP and reflecting 80% of the dangerous abilities felt really nice
eager tartan
and now back to a 13 Sethralis
fresh timber
i did struggle still on the pull before 3rd boss though, even with being able to reflect the channel on the masterminds
fresh timber
you don't have to right on opener since you reflect the first channels
then yeah, all cds in order after that
until reflect is up again, and then cya later
sick sentinel
Yeah but since the fight is pretty long because of the sheer health the mobs have
You will need to use last stand and SW and maybe even rally for yourself
fresh timber
oh i did, i partially just struggled since it was a pug, and the druid felt like giving me bark immediately
instead of letting me call for it, so that had more to do with it than anything
sick sentinel
You can also bl that instead of the boss
eager tartan
^this
fresh timber
i ended up not doing so, we only had to earth ele the mobs when they were at 10%, i definitely felt i could do it better too, it was just more me commenting that even in a +15 pug, i felt even more comfortable on my warrior than i previously did before patch
sick sentinel
My group death skipped it because ib pulled massive before that
And also, never underestimate the power of Rocky
mild maple
Which offspec should I practice in case I need to DPS this tier, is Fury cool now or still Arms?
dense pivot
probably guys with ptr experience of the new raid could answer, others can't really say
oblique garnet
Isnt fury better than arms?
mild maple
Good point about only needing one weapon
cobalt trellis
just got 375 ritual feather https://www.wowhead.com/item=165665/ritual-feather-of-unng-ak&bonus=1567:4803
other trinkets:
375 rezans
355 blockade
370 socketed glad trinket (versa with on use +1500 strength)
- dps trinkets
395 disc
385 vectis
mainly for m+ as prot
feather anything you could use?
oblique garnet
I tested out the ritual feather it seems good
rocky light
How do you gett that trinket?
cobalt trellis
i got it from tortollan daily
sick sentinel
Looks like a world quest triniet
cobalt trellis
well from the chest
sick sentinel
If you plan to use double BoM, it can work for the damage. But now that we can block everything but spells at this point, seems like it'd be a good choice in m+ anyways
cobalt trellis
yeah
cant use boM tho... as i have 390 on head and chest. so ill go with double arch + dc
lapis wraith
I cant tell if I want to reroll into prot from brm. Anyone have any input ? Raid had 0 warriors.
sick sentinel
That's a personal question
The only thing we can tell you is that protection is not as easy or as boring as BrM
So if u want to go the path of the hardest and most resistance, play prot warrior. If that sounds too hard and scary, stay a BrM
cobalt trellis
whats your task in the raid? main tank? second tank? off tank? whats you tank buddy?
lapis wraith
Main tank with a pally ot
silk mortar
cobalt trellis
hm do you have any other monk in your raid tho?
cobalt trellis
ok
one thought: why not equip both chars?
either you want to min/max and would have two options for progression and switch due to boss mechanics/dmg
or you should play what you like more personally
unborn ravine
@mild maple It mainly depends on which stats you have for the most part and which playstyle you prefer. I've always loved Fury and despise how slow Arms feels now, but that could also be because I was Fury all through Legion.
oblique garnet
I have 2x BoM and 1 DC with the new trinket from the emissay so when i use avatar and the trinket i jump to 60% mastery
unborn ravine
@cobalt trellis I don't think Monk is very good after their stagger nerf, our Monk was struggling during Mythic Progression this week, we had to use a lot of externals to keep him alive vs. our Blood DK.
lapis wraith
I'm kinda wondering about the warrior utility with battle shout and rallying instead of the monks 5% phys dmg I can get from the otger monks. We have no warriors.
unborn ravine
Rallying Cry helps a ton imo, also depends on how many hunters/melee you have i think.
lapis wraith
The healers are treating monks like no change but they need to act like there is one. The monk cant do anything about it. Its a healer problem nerf not a tank controlled one.
broken roost
I wouldn't switch mains for battleshout.. generally people here like Prot and we're in a good place now, but if you're playing it 15 hours a week, it's important for you to play whatever you prefer
unborn ravine
^
broken roost
If you have no preference, either go the easier path of not changing or start loving the Thunderclap spam feelgoods
Because I run with DH (2 of us and 3 pugs generally) and on big pulls I keep up with him on dps which feels lovely
unborn ravine
40 hours of my week are spent jumping around in main cities soooooooo
lapis wraith
The monk has been kind of really heckin boring and getting more sleepy during raid. Just rjw and hit isb once in a while yknow? I want to be more engaged and feel like im doing stuff
I want to feel like a tank not a sponge.
unborn ravine
You need to pay attention on warrior to do well, I would try it out.
lapis wraith
War is sitting at 360 RN. Havent raid tanked on one since draenor.
unborn ravine
I had to tank 2 weeks ago due to the paradise fire effecting a lot of our guildies and it wasn't that bad. I took less damage than our Blood DK tank.
Essentially you cycle through CDs and manage them throughout the fit, while Shield block was reduced in CD you still need to rely on your different CDs.
lapis wraith
Did IP coming off the GCD really help?
unborn ravine
It's kind of lame that we have to play this way, at least that's the way i play now and i do fine, but until they fix Warrior further I don't see us being our old tank self.
I honestly haven't tanked since the new changes, I've been forced to heal for our progression right now.
I have heard that they're doing well but I can't imagine small number changes helping us enough to make people want to switch from Blood DK, DH or Monk.
Until We become eye candy once again, it's going to be a niche type thing for people.
I still feel like if they added our old Legendary Bracers from legion as a CD we could manage, we would probably see more people switching.
broken roost
The IP change was mostly QoL - we never had enough rage tanking a boss to use it that much anyway.. but reduced shield block CD helps a lot though and the generic tankiness buffs
lapis wraith
The 5% armor seemed like a good increase
lapis wraith
I did say seemed
unborn ravine
true
unborn ravine
How? Blood DK trumps us in every way
mild maple
BDK takes WAY more damage than Prot
unborn ravine
Our Blood DK can solo soak Mythic Taloc, can you do that on your warrior?
You have to realize that while we are the strongest tanks, we require the most attention from healers. We have no self healing but high damage mitigation, anything with spell damage and we're literally a soaking wet paper towl.
mild maple
Self healing is not a thing when raid tanking this expac
unborn ravine
It is lol
merry cave
Can solo soak using big cds or externals shrug
mild maple
BDKs are worse than Monk, Prot and Prot for tanking prog this tier
astral crystal
Oh shit we finally got some action
unborn ravine
What the fuck are you talking about?
astral crystal
Early morning trolls poggers
mild maple
By this tier I mean the dazaralor raid
lapis wraith
I mean.
lapis wraith
Prot pally can do it a few times..
unborn ravine
Prot pally is broken for that fight lol
Add a Holy Priest and you don't need anyone to soak with them
lapis wraith
I dont even tank on that fight sometimes. I just pretend to dps as a tank.
Because #lazy
unborn ravine
I'm curious to see if my guild will let me tank during our Mythic runs. Our Monk can't take 2 hits from Zek'voz anymore. Wanna see how I would hold up against it.
oblique garnet
2 hits? as in 2 combos?
lapis wraith
Tell him to run guard for lash 2 instead of HT
unborn ravine
He thought about that but he mentioned his Monk discord saying it was trash on that fight. I dunno
lapis wraith
Uhhh
unborn ravine
@oblique garnet Yes, his 2 big lash combos that reduces healing, dunno the ability name :S
unborn ravine
Yes.
Our Blood DK takes it just fine
Monk kinda needs a lot of externals
He could also be trash, i dunno lol
Our first few pulls i called him out for not using Purifying brew after 2 minutes
oblique garnet
as long as the bdk taunts the moment the combo is over monk cant die
lapis wraith
This is not true^
oblique garnet
monk cant physically die to stagger
lapis wraith
No but they also have healing reduced so you cant heal their stagger either and theyre camped at 1hp
They can die to literally any damage at that point from an external source
So
oblique garnet
which are all avoidable damage
lapis wraith
If you have a druid have them bark between lashes. Should save you- unless its the mini adds that arent dead yet
Like
unborn ravine
still dies lol
lapis wraith
There are things that can kill you.
tender knoll
What is “soaking”? New player (2 months)
lapis wraith
Dies with bark?
oblique garnet
unless he is 350 ilvl i call bs
unborn ravine
2 ways to explain this, Either you have a group of people standing together to absorb damage from a mechanic
Or you have a single person to absorb that same mechanic while using defensives to nully that said damage
I.E. Soaking a tank shatter mechanic that does 800,00k
I can show you logs in a PM
lapis wraith
I can attest to being a brm at 374 and falling to it.
mellow quartz
sucks you can't just stand inside Korgus hitbox anymore for cross ignition 😦
oblique garnet
the last boss on tol dagor was easy anyways and now its easier to see where you have to stand
lapis wraith
If I have barkskin I can survive just fine cause it buys me an few thousand health to play with.
sick sentinel
A dk can take the heart from mythic taloc fine because of will of the necro
As a warrior I have solo tanked M taloc before, you just have to be smart with when you press your buttons
I took away offensive trinkets for defensive ones
hidden ether
Opinion, 129 crit, 51 vert and a socket or 78 crit 102 haste. Same IL
steep cargo
what haste % should prot warriors aim for?
steep cargo
ok im 18% without talent but was going to socket some stuff with haste
sick sentinel
@steep cargo basically as much as possible without dropping ilvl
steep cargo
ok thanks guys
sick sentinel
You socket everything with haste
Into the fray does not give you just a flat amount of 15%, the more haste you have the more haste it gives
steep cargo
would a 40str gem be more viable or 40 haste?
sick sentinel
Never
Always haste
The reason you want ilvl over stats is not the strength, but because all stats are valued kind of the same, so more stats>specific stats
steep cargo
Ok thanks for breakdown I'm loving prot
rapid trench
@lapis wraith just spec dampen harm, use dampen for first, zen med for the 2nd void lash the 2nd time around, dampen third, fort brew 4th, dampen 5th
hidden ether
If all stats are the same why should I drop 51 vert and 51 crit for 62 haste?
open bluff
if you're dying as a monk to zek'voz, git gud
only way to die is if you miss an isb cast or something
hidden ether
sick sentinel
wear the socket and socket it with haste
open bluff
assuming you're asking which ot use, socket
hidden ether
That's what I was assuming I know haste is number but but overall more stats wins was just making sure
sick sentinel
more overall stats ALWAYS wins for prot
hidden ether
Got it thanks for help!
ancient reef
man i just got a 385 ironbark helm with bfi vs my 375 with bom
sand egret
nice
yeah i've been wanting to test out BoM for ab it
but getting the double stack is nice
cinder nova
@hidden ether did you... take a picture of your screen?
sick sentinel
I decided to race change, again, and just went HM tauren. I couldn't stand female orc vo whenever you used abilities
Also, I'm biased and love taurens
cinder nova
They're loud as fuck
I don't like HM racials tho
I'd rather have a dumpster-tier racials and be an orc with a power curve
Have giant semitruck shoulderpada
supple path
From a pure DPS perspective, think a 370 syringe beats a 385 button this week in m+?
steep cargo
dark iron dwarf ftw
sick sentinel
Does the DI remove all stacks or just 1 stack i.e KR zerker bleed
button is good only in ST
it loses SO much value after 1target
daring marlin
wat
open bluff
fireblood removes all stacks up to 5 debuffs iirc
daring marlin
Does button not do increased damage for every target hit like the disc off zek?
cinder nova
Nah
open bluff
(stacks don't count as separate debuffs unless they're separate instances of the debuff)
button's damage is split
but for pure ST (which isn't what you necessarily need in m+ this week), it's almost as hard to replace as fathoms
daring marlin
you’re wrong lol
mellow bridge
why the fuck can this drop on my warrior
I can't use it, I can't trade it
so dumb lmao
mellow bridge
and yeah big button does more dmg when it's more targets but the dmg gets split
daring marlin
It is split but it’s still good on AoE. It’s silly to say it’s garbage on AoE just because it’s split.
It still does increased damage on multiple targets.
sick sentinel
the increased damage in multiple targets was not in the tooltip
like the past week or so
ember arrow
If its split on aoe its shit aoe trinket
open bluff
the rationale for saying it's "not good" in aoe is due to the fact that the damage is split; sure it does more damage overall, but 5 mobs taking 6k dmg (sample number) vs 1 mob taking 24k... i'd rather it deal the 24k on one and use something else for aoe
oblique garnet
You should try to get this one from emissary caches its hella good macroed with avatar and 2x BoM
Getting that extra 1.6k Mastery everytime you use avatar feels pretty good on big pulls
mellow bridge
btw anyone know if KR is doable on high keys now after the hotfix?
Did one yesterday before the hotfix and it was a fucking mess
daring marlin
well
Stuff is ccable again
and a whole bunch of shit was blanket nerfed
I’d assume yes lol
go getem tiger
sand egret
re: DI racial, if you have 3 stacks of the zerker bleed and a poison barrage debuff on you (RIP), using fireblood in that case gives you 600 + (200) + (200)
bleed stacks are all cleared but counts as one debuff
also, BoM stacking is hella fun
sand egret
i found a 2nd piece in my bank at 370
daring marlin
oh lawd
daring marlin
Yeah I don’t even have any 370 of them
Sticking with my double archive and dc for now
sand egret
did ToS....that orb room is epic
sand egret
also, the snek room is fucking easy as shit when you have 2 boomkins
daring marlin
ez claps
sand egret
hmm well my avatar increase (via BoM mastery) increases my sheet attack power via mastery from 24% to 36^
with 2 stacks of the trait
err 22-36, so ~ a 14% increase to AP
sand egret
crit block goes up 22%
daring marlin
Probably more achievable in s2
sand egret
however, i am dropping IV and AV cuz of it which i definitely noticed
ancient ore
me hoy minoy
sand egret
ya
sick sentinel
I am still angry about AV not proccing once in a 5:30 fight
sand egret
you'd think it'd be a ppm rate
sand egret
would be cool if it at least scaled like a self-heal version of Gutripper
daring marlin
I also dislike that when it does proc it’s when you’re at 70-80% and your healer tops you off
sand egret
yeah
daring marlin
then you’re just like FUUUUUUUUUUUU
sand egret
it fights with itself a lot
sick sentinel
I am still angry with this log because I was dead on the kill
if it procced once I would be alive
oblique garnet
Oh all you guys managed to kill ghuun hc with warriors
sinful bay
finally my first titanforged item. 390 ring crit haste 😄
sick sentinel
that's a good one
sinful bay
it's from siege but key was depleted though
pine totem
385 brace for impact or 370 bom assuming same inner traits?
sick sentinel
you never drop ilvl
for anything other than DC
as long as there is exactly one DC piece on your gear, you don't drop ilvl
sick sentinel
stat priority comes in when comparing same ilvl items
where you just get the one with the most haste most of the time
but send a screenshot in discord if you are unsure
pine totem
heres me
lusty grotto
why are we looking at this
pine totem
idk 😢
oblique garnet
No ofc not if you dont have the gear to back up dropping azerite gear dont bother doing it
tranquil sand
Hello. on fear of sounding paranoid and a baddie, do you ever feel ignore pain lags to activate if you are pressing multiple buttons together
lusty grotto
no not really
thorn fiber
What are you guys sitting at haste wise and did you find a certain point where things got alot smoother for being able match incoming damage with IP. I find in Motherload I'm struggling to keep up on pulls
lusty grotto
that doesn't make you a baddie though @tranquil sand 😃
it could be your latency
we don't look at haste numbers
since our secondaries are close enough as it is
@thorn fiber
if you're having problems with fort + ML, its probably because your group isn't managing the particular trash well
like for example masterminds can be reflected
interrupts have to be done of course on everything else, etc
tranquil sand
i feel its only ignore pain that has the prob hence why im worried its some psychological bias
tranquil sand
regarding m+, i did a 7 tol dagor with my 360 warrior and most of the time i felt i was barely taking damage, (with some packs like all 4 crocs and the 4 saurolisk caster) being dangerous but only briefly. is that due to the nerfs or its normal? like i was expecting it to be much harder
lusty grotto
it's normal
only a couple of mobs should be dealing less dmg now due to projectiles being blockable
crocs and casters weren't nerfed for example
but saurolisks are easy to deal with, with SR
tranquil sand
so Kr in comparisson felt nasty even on m0 so i was surprised
lusty grotto
and proper purges
it's fort week...
KR will always be nasty in Fort week
especially in Fort + Teeming week
oh in m0.... umm
that's until you know how to handle those mobs
tranquil sand
can you actually dodge the severing slash, like i swear i charged slamed, run out and still got hit by the severing at 10 feet distance
tranquil sand
unless its lag again in which case its weird, when i play my disc i feel no lag at all, and i do have sequences of only instant spells, i see them appear and interact all proper
daring marlin
Best to stun the berserker when your initial bleed is at 2 seconds
tranquil sand
but i am honestly feeling a huge diff with my warrior
zinc mauve
Heroic leap before it gets cast
daring marlin
so they don’t stack it
tranquil sand
ok
daring marlin
Another good way to prevent them from casting it is when they’re casting their leap to have someone root em
so they’ll try to recast it
oblique garnet
You can out range the severing blade but it will hit closest target so it will go on your dps
Can also bait it on hunter pets
lusty grotto
yup
woeful otter
can't find any good trinkets. can someone help
lusty grotto
can't help you with RNG
tranquil sand
ah thats why it hit the pet at some point
daring marlin
is your friend
tranquil sand
btw are the trinkets from the new tortolan reward today in eu in the trink listing?
daring marlin
praise be to it
tranquil sand
or is it completely new item?
lusty grotto
no idea what the EU thing is
daring marlin
prolly just random WQ trinkets
tranquil sand
er i had 340 mythrax trinket i hope i didnt do a mistake scrapping it
tranquil sand
str is ip amount + petite parry?
sick sentinel
you keep the mythraxx trinket if it is like 380
mayyybe 375
anything less is not worth
daring marlin
wewie
primal crypt
From where?
oblique garnet
Tortollan emissary
primal crypt
:o
oblique garnet
And it titanforged aswell :^)
primal crypt
:o
primal crypt
Eu only has it I would assume
oblique garnet
No thats the world boss
oblique garnet
Im talking about the tortollan emissary reward
primal crypt
Ugh
oblique garnet
Yeah thats one of the tortollan trinkets aswell afaik
primal crypt
NA is soooooo...
sand egret
emissary dude
not reward
wq give rep > emissary cache > trink
the 2k gold is the wq reward
oblique garnet
Finally we get to push some keys
warped hound
oblique garnet
instagib your dps?
kindred niche
Hello All. I play since vanilla but never played a Warrior. I want to play a high-dps tank and was amazed by a Prot Warrior I played with in a M+ run(before 8.1) - he was competing toe to toe with the DPSers. I was told the DPS of protection even got better, does protection stands out as the best DPS tank?
kindred niche
tyvm sir. I understand this is a noobish question. Have a nice xmas. Gonna level mine.
lusty grotto
we?
ancient reef
me i fell over dead alot
lusty grotto
:p
carmine bison
sounds like you had a bad healer then
carmine bison
ugh
lusty grotto
in BFA's case it's usually a warrior making mistakes
not the healer
unless it's grievous 😃
flint lava
yo really geared warrior here
what is the ideal talent set up for a dungeon
any helpers pls
astral crystal
yeah literally the same shit
there's no talent variety because everything sucks
except for what doesn't
woeful otter
What is the effective cooldown on last stand if using anger management?
lusty grotto
like 50 seconds?
woeful otter
not bad
woeful otter
just did a +11 for the first time of my life. although not within time, but it's still good for an aids week like that
lusty grotto
gz 😃
daring marlin
nimchimp 4 prez
ancient reef
hows quacking work
lusty grotto
yikes
daring marlin
Spread out
astral crystal
Quack quack
patent flower
Hey prot disc, do the prot warrior changes make them more viable in general?
valid knot
How good are prot warriors compared to other tanks after 8.1?
steel lotus
If ur shit you’ll still be shit if you know what your doing it’s looking good
valid knot
And compared to other tanks? Know they changed some stuff for blood dks and brew
thorn fiber
hey guys I have 2 azerite pcs both 2ndaries have Crystalline Caracpace and Gutripper. Is the defensive value of that trait better then the 2 gutrippers? Or would I be better to go gutripper for added offensiveness in M+
fierce juniper
No reason to go Gutripper over Carapace unless you're specfically going for max damage.
Carapace is one of the better defensive traits
thorn fiber
should I consider it in higher keys due to hp pools and timers?
fierce juniper
No, that wouldn't be worth it imo
stone imp
You'll do enough DPS even without it. People will weep.
pale vigil
Prot is feeling really good now. I am really enjoying the changes.
stone imp
It's been fun in keys. Coincidentally it's also time to relearn them due to the adjustment
pale vigil
Haven't done any keys yet but enjoyed it in uldir.
steady fiber
Hi guys i went back to wow, what i should know about prot warrior ? i mean what changed etc
oblique garnet
I miss key deletion
You get a nice good +2 on a 14 and blizzard hits you in the face with 16 kr
steel lotus
At least it’s been nerfed again
signal plover
KR got big nerfs yeah
oblique garnet
Oh yeah 3 brutes on the bridge feels pretty nerfed yup
signal plover
izzi
oblique garnet
Oh yeah brutes were nbd but the berserkers even with 25% nerf do 50k per tick on the bleed
Add the spellcasters on top of it doing 75k per voidbolt if one goes through
Spectral bolt*
Idk why but i do better on kr with pugs than with premades for some reason
signal plover
that hallway is nightmares man lol
sand egret
at least you can CC those zerkers again
oblique garnet
I just despise that place on fortified weeks
bitter willow
With 8.1, is DC still better than all other azerite traits?
I have to get AotT for uldir, wondering if I should drop DC or BfI
fierce juniper
You still want 1 DC, yes
last loom
I wanna try some prot my azerite pieces i have for dps dont seem to give me any thunderclap trait
what should i go for instead then?
fierce juniper
check the azerite page on the icy veins guide
last loom
is ghuun trinket any good?
oblique garnet
No
last loom
not even on mythic?
last loom
i have 370 rezan 380 gore 370 veiled eye 385ghuun fathoms lions strenght 370
which two would you use
oblique garnet
Rezan gore
oblique garnet
If you feel like you need it sure
last loom
im gonna tank my first key as prot
just went and bought a shield off the auction house
oblique garnet
310 shield?
lusty grotto
ghuun trinket is trash for all classes
last loom
340 shield
last loom
i believe my stats are abit messed up
fierce juniper
Generally speaking Aljan you'll get more defensive benefit out of a "constantly" proccing trinket like Rezan's than you will out of a Veiled Eye .
oblique garnet
Then you might want to use defensives
last loom
23% crit
lusty grotto
you're gonna get railed
last loom
20% haste 3% vers 22% mastery
lusty grotto
with a 340 shield
last loom
all my azerite is 385
sand egret
"gonna get railed" is relative to a) the key and b) his other gear
sand egret
obvi this dude is geared and unless he's like yo my first key is gonna be a +15
that's silly
you'll be totally fine
lusty grotto
once again, we don't need to see your stats
sand egret
in current content, you basically have huge fucking training wheels on with gear like that
oblique garnet
Aslong as you keep mitigation up you should be fine
last loom
any tips?
sand egret
keep shield block up
lusty grotto
what key level are you running
last loom
12atal
lusty grotto
YIKES
sand egret
heh
steel lotus
Oof
oblique garnet
Atal is ez tho
sand egret
yeah shield block and have fun
lusty grotto
340 shield YIKES
sand egret
dude
last loom
i can put my stream on
sand egret
it's not gonna make or break his shit lol
if he's gonna die, it's mostly likely that he's not blocking at all
sand egret
not that he's taking x% more on blocks
so keep up shield block
use your damn cooldowns
last loom
ah shit
sand egret
the more you do
last loom
i dont have any weakauras
sand egret
the more you get them back
i dont use shit
and I just finished that like 20 min ago
lusty grotto
log the run, we can analyze it later
if he just drug off spells of the spellbook though...
sand egret
haha yeah well we'll see
oblique garnet
Keep demoshout up for the pulls keep sb up and clap away and youre gucci
lusty grotto
drugged okay?
sand egret
dragged
lusty grotto
drugged
oblique garnet
Focus bois
sand egret
🤦
lusty grotto
it's ok, spells aren't people
i mean i know Last Stand yells at you for pressing SB during it Blade
but they are not people
last loom
uhm dno