protection

[lusty grotto]

don't say that too loud, the vanilla white knights might arrest you

"wahh vanilla is sharded" "wahh, there's lfg tool" so on and so forth

[uneven mason]

I'm all about the nostalgia kick

[sick sentinel]

lfg was gr8

lfg was my shit

[uneven mason]

but I also enjoy my QOL changes

[sick sentinel]

I do too

I've considered taking a legion core

and modifying it to be things that legion wasn't.

completely rewriting the legendary acquisition system

[lusty grotto]

i kinda agree with the whole server community being a thing though... but that's not gonna happen honestly

[sick sentinel]

I agree with that too.

I think it won't happen because the internet has (de?)evolved from that

[lusty grotto]

more like the internet has grown

and honestly if i was in charge of blizzard i wouldn't make servers a thing, they save so much money by sharding instances

[uneven mason]

I Mean, I play on EQ Progression realms (or rather, I did when Phinigel hit)

classic ish XP

[lusty grotto]

christ mac let it go

[uneven mason]

was fun

but Vanilla

IDK

[lusty grotto]

i still have a shitload of eq screenies

might upload them to an imgur album or whatever

[uneven mason]

Oh I Haven't played EQ since phingel hit uh, OoW?

closed up Gates and that was it

[lusty grotto]

yeah i lasted longer than you lol

[uneven mason]

nm I did maintank OMM once

but got burned out by continual requests

[hushed cobalt]

this has bugged me for awhile, but last boss in Motherlode, why is the auto attack reflectable?

[uneven mason]

to tank the Anguish rares

because he's firing molten bullets

[lusty grotto]

its ok bby dont be bugged

[uneven mason]

😄

[lusty grotto]

say yes to reflectable auto attacks

[hushed cobalt]

can it now be blocked tho? cause not magical molten bullets

[lusty grotto]

iirc no

but i'll get back to you on that

[sick sentinel]

i want you to give me alog

a combat log

uploaded on warcraftlogs

and i'll tell you why it can be reflected

[lusty grotto]

hang on

i have one but its pre-8.1

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6wTta9XpmPZxDjkA#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=1&target=102

[hushed cobalt]

i like and dislike the IP off gcd change. my block and IP are next to each other so sometimes i hit both and wonder where did my rage go 😦

[uneven mason]

its magic fire bullets

not sure why folks doubt me

[hushed cobalt]

molten /=/ magic 😄

[lusty grotto]

to be fair i didnt sr on that one LOL

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=260323/alpha-cannon

[hushed cobalt]

300 yd range
Inflicts 19 Fire damage

[carmine ibex]

Has anyone been playing with dropping DC?

[sick sentinel]

no

nothing good to replace it with rn

[mellow bridge]

Wondering about ML too

third boss in my case

Is her "auto" a cast?

[carmine ibex]

I can drop DC for BfI + lifespeed + IV

[sick sentinel]

send me a log and i can find out

[modern brook]

@mellow bridge yess

[mellow bridge]

I don't have logs :/

[carmine ibex]

and that would be a 3-stack of IV

[sick sentinel]

i mean

[carmine ibex]

which is juicy

[sick sentinel]

they exist on wowlogs

just find one and send it

:p

with a prot war

[modern brook]

have a reflect guide the specificaly states that

[carmine ibex]

also that new trait that does a absorb after demo ends, that seems pretty neat for aoe packs

[mellow bridge]

Well it says magic dmg but it's not reflectable

so I'm not sure

in the reflect guide

compared to last boss which is both magic dmg and reflectable

[modern brook]

oh then i had it confused with something else

follow the reflect guide

its right

[sick sentinel]

Blizzard has posted an update on Artifact Knowledge which states that Artifact Knowledge will no longer increase until Season 2 of Battle for Azeroth begins on January 22nd.

[lusty grotto]

@carmine ibex doesn't work on fear immune mobs or bosses

[modern brook]

Sense is big brain man

[sand egret]

it deals fire damage (so no armor mitigation) but you can't reflect it

[modern brook]

it will still be reduced by reflect

[sand egret]

yes

[modern brook]

ie: u get a value out of spamming it on cd

[sand egret]

it wont use the charge

[carmine ibex]

Interesting, the slow portion, the absorb, or both?

[mellow bridge]

Should save reflect for the dot tho I guess

[sand egret]

which imho you should line up for Chemical Burn tbh

[open bluff]

385 crit/mastery cloak vs 380 haste/mastery/socket cloak, i'm not insane for sticking with the 380 despite the str gain, am i?

[modern brook]

I would spam it on cd

[lusty grotto]

anything on that trait doesn't work on fear immune mobs

[modern brook]

if u reflect the dot a+

[lusty grotto]

the absorb nor the slow

[modern brook]

otherwise ur taking less damage

[carmine ibex]

oh right

[modern brook]

which, ive heard, is p good as a tank

[carmine ibex]

I actually misread it

I get it

[lusty grotto]

i dont know 380 with socket is kinda better @open bluff

[sand egret]

luckily SR lines up with ~ every other CBurn

[open bluff]

yeah that's kinda what i was thinking, 37 secondaries should be more important than 9 str

[lusty grotto]

yea it's a cloak, the armor gain is minimal

[mellow bridge]

In my exp I can only get every 2nd Cburn

but maybe I time it badly

[modern brook]

ilvl stops being an obvious upgrade on cloak, wrists, and uhhhh

[sand egret]

and sometimes you can get two in a row if she's doing her casts, which you have no reason to reflect

[modern brook]

fuck idr

[mellow bridge]

I've barely run ML to be honest

[modern brook]

but any equipment with low stats

[sand egret]

that's about right muyuu

[open bluff]

yeah wrists i only bother with straight ilvl if i'm replacing non-haste with non-haste

[modern brook]

so 380 socket > 385 probably, depending on stats

[sand egret]

there are times where she does propellant blast x2 which gives you enough time

[open bluff]

figured cloak would follow a similar pattern

[lusty grotto]

i mean generally

[open bluff]

just wanted to make sure i wasn't being dumb

[lusty grotto]

no socket, just go with ilvl on those

[open bluff]

well i mean i wouldn't pass up 10-15 ilvls just for a socket

but 5 is eh

[modern brook]

If the 5 lvl upgrade is equal or better stats it could arguable be better

[open bluff]

nah, haste on the 380 vs no haste on the 385

[modern brook]

def 380 then imo

[lusty grotto]

it's because of the socket though, not because of the haste

[open bluff]

^

if it was 385 haste i'd probably still use the socket

[modern brook]

I'd start arguing agianst it unless you're socketing for str

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[oblique garnet]

ayy lmao atleast we are getting to p2 consistently

[lusty grotto]

i dont socket for str

[open bluff]

str sockets... what are we, paladins?

[modern brook]

ThAtSmYpOiNt

[lusty grotto]

fuck sorry its 3 pm

i need my coffee

[modern brook]

dont we all 😦

[lusty grotto]

hang on late im coming

yikes that sounded wrong

[sand egret]

yeah man, hopping over to EU. Show those noob raiders how to do it!

[modern brook]

its ok

U GUYS

ARE

USING

PROTECTION

[lusty grotto]

What's going on here

[modern brook]

yall cant just ignore me like that

[hushed cobalt]

Who's aiming to get the entire warden guard set for transmog?!

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest bull

i didn't quite get it at first

brb coffee time

[modern brook]

I mean i guess re: warden gaurd

bfa xmogs are pretty lack luster so far imo

[lusty grotto]

i'm kind of annoyed that the dark ranger toy does a sex change

[modern brook]

💦

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto started raid

[lusty grotto]

😄

[upper spoke]

Is Champions of Azeroth rep now account wide?

[lusty grotto]

the "upgrades" you get for your neck are

[upper spoke]

what? the ilvl upgrades

[lusty grotto]

the ones you get for rep

[upper spoke]

and last one is from revered?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[upper spoke]

heh ok. my alt already is revered

thanks. saved me some searching

what about this new jaina questline? can just my main complete it?

or will i need alts to complete it, too?

[lusty grotto]

i don't know, im not alliance scum

[upper spoke]

;p

[lusty grotto]

don't think they are account wide

[open bluff]

welp, i could run 2X BFI 1X DC 3X HMC

if i gave up archive

[weak talon]

" Mythrax the Unraveler Essence Shear Gilixi 10554 (A: 46204) (R: 91339, M: 34581, 37.86%)" eks dee

Mythic mythrax no cooldowns on that

eks dee

[lusty grotto]

oh kay elle oh elle

wait let me fix that

[merry elbow]

Has anyone tried different talents in 8.1?

[uneven mason]

There isn't any reason to

Nothing that was done made any of the other talents worthwhile more or less

[merry elbow]

I know it wont match the standard build but Im curious how IP off gcd might help certain talents

[uneven mason]

Nope

[merry elbow]

Like vengeance

[uneven mason]

not enough to matter

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't

[primal crypt]

nope

Pray tell

[uneven mason]

I should say - not enough to bring it above the current meta

yes IP off the GCD

[primal crypt]

what did you start using because of IP coming off GCD?

[lusty grotto]

ip on the gcd wasn't the selling point on the current build

[primal crypt]

Which talent do you believe is good @merry elbow

[lusty grotto]

he said vengeance

[uneven mason]

helps Vengeance and NS, but they're still on the 2nd floor (or Sub basement 99 for NS) compared to the competing talents on those tiers

[primal crypt]

ah

[merry elbow]

Not saying any talent is better than what we use, just curious is all

[crystal creek]

[merry elbow]

Cuz I like to experiment

[lusty grotto]

sadly talents aren't chosen due to gcd-on/of IP

[uneven mason]

Well, you can certainly run Veng if you want

[lusty grotto]

not a lot of room to experiment with with Prot sadly

[uneven mason]

you'll see some rage gains over not having Vengeance

but it won't touch BV for RPS or DPS

[lusty grotto]

you can thank blizzard for that

[uneven mason]

and NS is still pretty much flaming dogshit because of delay and its horrifyingly bad scaling

NS needs 1 change to make it competitive but we won't see that

well 2 changes

make the max absorb (50% cap) increase as well

and have it apply to all healing

not just IP

[rose moat]

any changes to trinket desires with the patch?

[merry elbow]

That would be nice

[uneven mason]

it woudl give us the same level of "OSHIT" protection that the other tanks have.

nope Tanth

[lusty grotto]

no changes

[uneven mason]

use the highest ilvl, generally trinkets won't have giant impacts on your survivability

that new trinket tho

is pretty sexy wit hthe 1min CD

[lusty grotto]

yamo

please don't be Mac + Griff

[primal crypt]

yo

I have to show

what you told me to find

[lusty grotto]

Knot of Ravager

[rose moat]

only ask because running Blockades and a 370 version of Syringe from Uldir.... and got the trinket from the world boss... tryign to figure out if I should swap the galecaller out for the syringe for haste

[primal crypt]

what ilvl

[lusty grotto]

up to you

[primal crypt]

on gale?

[lusty grotto]

blockades is ridiculous with RA

[rose moat]

sadly just 355

[primal crypt]

nah

not wurf

[lusty grotto]

super fast shuffles

faster than a professional card dealer

once you get 385s...

blockades can move to the benches

[zealous ingot]

is 385 syringe or ghuun trinket better then blockades?

[oblique garnet]

Syringe is

Ghuun trinket no

[lusty grotto]

384?

what late said

385s*

[zealous ingot]

oaky thanks. second trinket is 375 howler

[lusty grotto]

you'd be fine with 375 hower + 385 syringe

is there a class/spec that actually uses ghuun trinket?

it seems garbage for everybody

[uneven mason]

No

[primal crypt]

nope

[uneven mason]

its complete garbage

[lusty grotto]

that's what i thought

[oblique garnet]

brewmaster monks maybe?

Ive seen andybrew use it

[lusty grotto]

lol

just more afk dmg

look im not afk, you see this tentacle moving?

[oblique garnet]

I hate this fight zzz

[dense flame]

Hey just curious. When tanking crawgs how often are you kiting? Or are you just going HAM on them and able to out dps their heal.

I’ve always wondered this. But never had to think about it until I was asked to off tank them.

[oblique garnet]

Now since the you cant sub cheese probably just ham

[dense flame]

Fsho. I like that. 😂

[upper spoke]

what is RA? relentless assault

[plain ice]

reorigination array

[crystal creek]

Reorigination Array.

Quiet in here. All them EU's finally in bed?!

[sand egret]

shhhh

don't wake em

[hollow stream]

You called

[zinc mauve]

did someone say thunder clap

[oblique garnet]

You dare insult EU!?

[lusty grotto]

Did someone say how are we doing in 8.1?

[oblique garnet]

We are not good ! cant even kill mythrax smh

[lusty grotto]

lul

[crystal creek]

Oh I didn't insult. I just assumed it was bed time

[oblique garnet]

what is a bed time?

[thorn fiber]

is the new trait on the darkshore gear good the apothecary's concoction?

[civic aspen]

Anyone playing prot warrior specced to maximize dungeon dps?

[uneven mason]

Yeah, the same spec I play to maximize my survivability

[hushed cobalt]

azerite globs and hmc did way less damage than i remember

[uneven mason]

probably has the same 89% reduction that

has

[hushed cobalt]

89% seems high, almost made up to me

also the intimidating shout trait, 18k on a 385 sounds solid

[uneven mason]

I mean, 89% reduction isn't made up

not on Ravager

[hushed cobalt]

(was kidding cause of that high of a %)

[crystal creek]

Need more hit? add more crit.

[uneven mason]

Never know in here.

[hushed cobalt]

wait, without that reduction ravager would do ~8 times more damage or something?

that wouldnt be too shabby

[sick sentinel]

Ravager was ravaged by the ravenous jaws of blizzard for ravaging across dps meters

[jagged bay]

is the new bufffood from the raidmaterials better than haste one for us?

[sick sentinel]

Always eat raid food

[jagged bay]

its 85

[sick sentinel]

As is the haste, if not lower

[jagged bay]

its 70 i think

[rough egret]

this vs 375 galea

[plain ice]

if you're in uldir, def the galea

[sand egret]

wtf is that shadow of elune trait

[sick sentinel]

Use the 385 outside of uldir

[plain ice]

lol

[sand egret]

oh word

what's the proc rate on that shit...

[plain ice]

do you mostly play at night?

[rough egret]

idk

[plain ice]

😂

[sand egret]

if its decent...I'd consider that over CR

i love me some haste

[young iris]

is night considered local time? or realm time? or region time?

[sand egret]

assuming outside of raid, of course

night would be your realm time iirc

[rough egret]

what to choose on T 2 then?

AS ?

[sand egret]

prob ya

then IV

[stuck oxide]

[sand egret]

so not a bad subset for tier 2 and tier 3

[rough egret]

I know the pins

[sick sentinel]

If ur doing m+ use bulwark instead of iv

[sand egret]

eh

[sick sentinel]

I'm not a fan of a heal that small even with 3

[sand egret]

i disagree but I can't imagine it's enough of a difference to argue over

i have that stacked

[sick sentinel]

I like shields personally

[sand egret]

and i'm in love with it personally

I can see the value of the shield tho

[sick sentinel]

Yeah well ur wrong and we have to fite aboot it

[sand egret]

lol

I see your opinion and it's WRONG

😆 h

[rough egret]

ok and last thing for today

th e belt is the 5 i lvl worth to loose haste?

[sand egret]

first, fix that mog mismatch

[sick sentinel]

^

[rough egret]

dude 😄

I know 😄

[sand egret]

shit is distracting

second, props for spicey boi

[sick sentinel]

With the buff to vanguard I'd personally go for the 390

[sand egret]

and third, take the new belt

[sick sentinel]

Esp since ur not losing that much haste

[sand egret]

yeah youre haste appears pretty fine anywho (not sure how many ITF you've got going on in that SS)

[rough egret]

0

[tropic star]

BFI 390 or DC 360. Only DC peice

[sand egret]

BFI

[rough egret]

ups forgot the belt.. 😄

[sand egret]

well now fix that belt mog

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[sand egret]

you're a damn spicey boi, show some pride

[tropic star]

and does gutripper prov on AOE on only against your target

[sand egret]

also, go hit some shit and eyeball the procrate on that trait

cuz i'm interested

[rough egret]

fixed

[sand egret]

kk, now get me that proc rate info 😃

@tropic star I honestly don't know as I don't use Gutripper

if it's like Heed than it should

[sick sentinel]

It doesnt proc in aoe

[sand egret]

well then there's that

[sick sentinel]

I use x3 only on current target

If it did, holy shit

[west turtle]

is there a way to get decent sims on prot?

[primal crypt]

@west turtle no sims for prot

no pawn

[west turtle]

fuck, I'm going to be forced to actually play the game

[sand egret]

:gasp:

[primal crypt]

ilvl is best shit

[rough egret]

so I did a test of the elune trait

[sand egret]

oooo

[primal crypt]

our secondary are close

but obviously we like haste

[sand egret]

dont you interrupt this big news Yamo!

[primal crypt]

Ravager is best talent

so keep that in mind

[neon tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gaWqLHx24XC6YTVK/#fight=last
Anyone post this yet?

[sand egret]

24% uptime...

ain't bad....

right there with Rezan's

[oblique garnet]

Aight we making progress PogChamp

[crystal creek]

so about 1 proc per min

[west turtle]

DC is still above all other traits even considering the nerf?

[jaunty pebble]

Just recently returned to BfA and i was wondering what the community's view on warriors for mythic progress is.

[plain ice]

the community's? not great

[west turtle]

Prot warriors were bottom tier on 8.0, now they are like tier 2, probably the best tanks for physical damage, but they can be lackluster compared to monks or DKs in a progress environment if it's a magical damage fight

they are good as a backup tank imo

[jaunty pebble]

allright

thanks

[primal crypt]

who's a good back up tank

?

bottom tier tier 2 wat?

[oblique garnet]

boi dk is not good for progress anymore XD

[primal crypt]

lmao

dk in trouble right now in raid

[lusty grotto]

prot had no issue doing mythic pre 8.1 @west turtle

you seem to be saying exactly what jtodb or whatever the fuck his name is said in the latest wowhead interview

which is an opinionated answer

on top of that he does MDI level keys, which doesn't apply to people here at all

furthermore, his answer is for M+ not for mythic raiding. These 2 are completely different things.

if you think one applies to the other, you're wrong in many ways

[quiet relic]

Problem with warrior tanks is alot of shitty people play them if you are good then you are viable

[crystal creek]

hey MDI is lvl 13's aren't they? 😄

[neon tangle]

@primal crypt DKs are unchanged as far as magic is concerned, still good for any fights where magic damage is dangerous

not that that's a lot of them

[lusty grotto]

i just want to change people's perception about reading what their WF hero or MDI player says, it doesn't apply to them and it shouldn't be regurgitated here

[crystal creek]

I agree, I'm going to pug a few each week and spread the word.

[lusty grotto]

it starts here though

so hopefully he read that

[dim tangle]

I was curious how the changes makes the playstyle feel. I don't have a 120 warrior to get a good feel myself.

[primal crypt]

feels pretty good

although a few of us are treating IP like it's on the gcd still

[signal rune]

make a trial

[lavish oracle]

It plays the same, just better if that makes any sense

[primal crypt]

but that's just habit

but aoe feels much better

[stark sage]

its like the spec plays how it was supposed to at launch

[primal crypt]

no more needless rage cap

there we go

what kel said

[neon tangle]

I'd make a trial, AoE/avatar cycles feel better

[signal plover]

What kela said

[oblique garnet]

It feels filthy compared to the 8.0 one

Im disgusted by how little damage i actually take

[lavish oracle]

Ngl, though, I do miss old DS uptime on fort pulls with more than one caster

[lusty grotto]

it's kinda rough getting used to what it played like

[primal crypt]

my dk

[signal rune]

more IP's now for that magic damage

[primal crypt]

oops

[oblique garnet]

DK lul

[primal crypt]

they're so op

[lusty grotto]

bro

yesterday i kinda started out waiting the gcd for IP

then i was like "hold on a second"

you kinda lose track of what you're used to lol

but getting used to it back is like riding a bike so

[signal rune]

in aoe you swim in rage , get them IP's rolling

9k-ish HPS on trash ez

[oblique garnet]

it was kinda hard because i wasnt sure if i had the IP on at all because i didnt need to waste a gcd for it

[lusty grotto]

right

[dim tangle]

Maybe setup a weakaura to track it?

[oblique garnet]

I have

But you know the feel

[lusty grotto]

it's just muscle memory

[oblique garnet]

That youre not sure if you actually pressed it

Because i had done so many dungeons without it

[crystal creek]

I have that bar and shield block in my face.

[primal crypt]

I just never use ip

ever

[lusty grotto]

[primal crypt]

has anyone else had any issues with their equipment manager since the patch?

none of my sets are saving lol

and it's really making me mad

[lusty grotto]

it was weird yesterday yea

on my paladin at least

[primal crypt]

oh nim

did you ever find out about the profile save

[lusty grotto]

i'm still at work 😦

[primal crypt]

yikes

[lusty grotto]

give me an hour or two

[lavish oracle]

I definitely hit IP twice the other day a couple of times thinking it didn't go off

[primal crypt]

mhmm

[crystal creek]

Maybe get a WA to make a noise on use.

Quack

[tidal holly]

guys

do you feel more squishy this week as tank?

i know in teory prot has received boost

but...

[shut summit]

No

[tidal holly]

on tol dagor 12

[oblique garnet]

Nope

[tidal holly]

trash nailed me...

[oblique garnet]

Its fortified

[tidal holly]

yea

[oblique garnet]

Not tyrannical

[crystal creek]

fort and teeming.

[tidal holly]

but diff is so big compare to last week

[daring marlin]

wat lol

[tidal holly]

i did 15 waycrest

[daring marlin]

Is this a troll?

[tidal holly]

2 days ago

[oblique garnet]

So if youre not doing trash properly you will fie

[daring marlin]

It’s fort teeming

[tidal holly]

and today on to dagor

12 that was so bad...

[oblique garnet]

A.k.a salt blasts are not being reflected interruted etx

[daring marlin]

Trash gonna wreck your shit

[oblique garnet]

@shut summit did you see the changes to kings rest?

[shut summit]

Ye even more fuck that place

[daring marlin]

wut happen

[crystal creek]

Zerks no longer CC'able I think.

[tidal holly]

btw they changed FH and to dagor 3rd boss also

[shut summit]

Wouldn't hold my breath on these changes staying tho 👀

[oblique garnet]

Something something berserkers immune to cc

[tidal holly]

whaaat....

berserkers immune???

[oblique garnet]

Like how much crack is the dungeon design team smoking to make change that stupid

[daring marlin]

lol

[keen spire]

Guys berserkers don't need CC

[buoyant inlet]

why not just change it to the beastmasters? they're the ones DKs should be MCing anyway

[keen spire]

just press your buttons and win

[oblique garnet]

They cant be stunned ?¿

[buoyant inlet]

and can be handled without cc, where the berserkers just get out of control

[oblique garnet]

That dungeon just became a place that is impossible to do without boomkin/monk

Or something that can soak the bleed

[keen spire]

Double prot warriors new meta

[crystal creek]

Engineer goggs and prary for cauterize.

*pray

[tidal holly]

yea 😄

Deafening Crash still good?

od dont bother any longer bout this treit?

or*

[oblique garnet]

Its still good

[primal crypt]

wait what?

berserker no cc?

what does that mean

I need explain because that shit makes no sense to me right now

[oblique garnet]

It means

[keen spire]

to be honest, I thought they were immune to cc anyway

[oblique garnet]

The berserker train will not stop until you die

[upbeat folio]

So the consensus is generally that the additional armor/health, shield block uptime and ip off GCD is making up in spades for DC nerf? Haven't played yet, but looking up at chat seems positive.

[oblique garnet]

The dc nerf is not that bad given that you can get demo shout up faster with ip being off gcd

[tired cove]

is stacking azerite veins good ?

[keen spire]

It is potentially epic, but we're not fully certain at this time, as far as I understand it

It depends upon its proc stuff

[tired cove]

Guess i'll try it out and report my findings since i no longer am raiding and if it's bad i'll yell at @raven ore cause i love him

[hot locust]

Its good in a world without any external healing.

[primal crypt]

hi lala 😄

[lavish oracle]

Someone mentioned sharkpuncher changes? What'd they change?

[hot locust]

👋

[prisma viper]

Sharks move slower I think

and pig spawns at random spot

[lavish oracle]

Oh yeah, not that the pig spawn matters much until they fix the skip

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

Just read that convo

Well rip me doing kr this week

[oblique garnet]

Sharks get ”rooted” for 2~ seconds when they go over blood

[crystal night]

Can u still do the freehold skip by killing 1st boss and turtle boi ? 🐢

[oblique garnet]

Apparently

Havent tried it yet

[crystal night]

I mean spawn 1st boss

[lavish oracle]

You can still do turtle skip for sure

[crystal night]

Kewl I guess, for skipping, but makes the dubgeon feel so buggy and gimmicky opposed to being just a staright up encounter ya know ?

[lavish oracle]

Haven't tried spawning the first boss

I don't mind the bugs too much, it is essentially a speed run after all

[oblique garnet]

Tough life choices do i go to school tomorrow or do all my assignments at home and play wow🤔

[buoyant inlet]

i checked the pins and the guide and wasnt seeing anything. anyone aware of how i would make a macro to mod heroic leap cast at cursor with shift or ctrl, and cast it normally if not modified?

[chilly brook]

Why would you cast it normally ever?

[lusty grotto]

@primal crypt https://www.tukui.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5

[hidden ether]

Hey is deafening crash still our number one trait?

[lusty grotto]

@hidden ether

[chilly brook]

Short answer yes

Long answer yes but it no longer commands drastic loss of ilvl like it used to

[lusty grotto]

it's still worth quite a bit of ilvl

[chilly brook]

^

[lusty grotto]

just perhaps not as much as griff said

[chilly brook]

Just not to the point of never replacing it

[hidden ether]

Well good I finally got it at 375 last week after a whole patch of running around with a 360

[chilly brook]

If you don’t have another piece

I mean

It’s still worth sacrificing 15ilvl lol

[lusty grotto]

extending a 20% dr cd is pretty goddamn good even if it maxes at 6 seconds

[chilly brook]

According to Marok probably not worth switching out unless it’s 30+ ilvls now

[steel mauve]

from the pins its still worth 30-45 ilvls

[chilly brook]

^

[steel mauve]

closer to 45 probably

[ember crest]

anyone tried out shadow of elune for the haste proc?

[hidden ether]

Yeah I had 15 370 azurite in my bag waiting to replace my 360 with it finally got the shoulders

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't go 45 ilvls but to each their own

[steel mauve]

well even though we lose duration on the uptime we get more casts now so it sort of balances out closely, but theyve done napkin math on it again and are still saying its worth nearly 45 due to that

[hidden ether]

More casts? Is the CD reduced?

[chilly brook]

In a way

[hidden ether]

Oh more rage spent

Got it

[chilly brook]

Yea

Less wasted rage

[hidden ether]

No i just have to remember I can hit IP right after another skill

[hybrid zealot]

how many ilvl are the best middle and inner traith worth?

struggling with reforgin my shit >.<

[lusty grotto]

none

[chilly brook]

^

Outer traits are always worth over inner

[lusty grotto]

there are no traits you sacrifice ilvl over besides DC

[chilly brook]

Damn dude I kinda wanna reinstall now

[hidden ether]

Lol did you delete wow but still hang out in warrior discord?

[chilly brook]

Yea

Uninstalled a week ago or so

[hybrid zealot]

situation is like this: have a 385head withDC and a 375with Brace; the i have 385shoulders with Rezan or Bastion or 370shoulders with DC AND 375chest with filthy transfusion or Bastion and 370 chest with DC

[chilly brook]

I guess you could say that I still care about the community

[hybrid zealot]

which DC part would you pick an wich other one? 😄

[chilly brook]

Highest ilvl

In all cases

[hidden ether]

So 370 DC 385 shoulder and helm

[oblique garnet]

Oh ny god man

[chilly brook]

So 385 helmet with DC, 385 with bastion and 375 bastion

[oblique garnet]

You have the bis m+ gear

[hybrid zealot]

do i? 😄

[hidden ether]

Just saw my 385 helm changed to bastion of might 😭

[chilly brook]

Bastion isn’t a bad trait tbh

It’s just not as good as the others defensively

[oblique garnet]

Its probably best damage wise

[chilly brook]

^

And still decent defensively

[hidden ether]

Oh yeah back to DPS prot warrior

[hybrid zealot]

so like griff said

385 DC head and both Bastion traits

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[hybrid zealot]

nice, so i dont need to reforge 😄

[oblique garnet]

BoM isnt even bad defensively

[chilly brook]

Prot is the only tank that will always take their spec specific over rando traits

[hybrid zealot]

good to know

[chilly brook]

At least from what I’ve seen

Most other tanks like blood DKs take the generic traits

[hybrid zealot]

lets see what 2x Vastion + Vial of animated Blood will do with ma avatar 😄

thanks for you help mates

[languid pewter]

what are best trinkets for prot?

[chilly brook]

👌🏻

Your highest ilvl ones lol

It’s more of a question of “what trinkets do you have and what situation are you going into?”

[languid pewter]

gotcha

[oblique garnet]

Unless your highest ilvl trinket is ghuun one

Then its worth less than a blue

[zinc creek]

Just got 375 rezans

[lusty grotto]

gz

[thorn fiber]

Hey lads trying to figure out what class to play. Currently main resto shaman. Looking to possibly go tank here mainly for m+ for a group of friends. It's either between a warrior or dh both of which at 350ish.

[chilly brook]

I mean

[lusty grotto]

play whatever you like

its your sub

[chilly brook]

Unless you wanna do a lot of running away and want to feel like a wet piece of toilet paper with your only consolation being the utility you have don’t go DH

[oblique garnet]

Allright i found 2x 370 pieces with bastion

[lusty grotto]

this isn't the sell-prot warrior sidscord

[chilly brook]

No it’s not

But between the two options I’d go prot

But I’m biased

And I really didn’t like how squish I was as DH at like 350

And that’s in a normal Mythic dungeon

Granted obviously the class works

[oblique garnet]

oh btw

[chilly brook]

You just gotta have a different mindset and work more with your team

[oblique garnet]

Theres no DR on BoM mastery

So you get 1024 mastery from 2x 375 Pieces

[chilly brook]

Damn

thats a lotta damage

xD

[thorn fiber]

I'm just torn on what to really start pushing.. I mained a warrior for a long time prior to legion. So I'm comfortable on them just wanted to ask if any of you guys that push high keys if you have had experience on both classes and what your opinion was on some of the differences

[lusty grotto]

not a lot people here have pushed keys on both classes

you can find prot mains here mostly

[oblique garnet]

You dont push with dhs anymore

[lusty grotto]

your best bet is what Griff said

[outer dew]

you don't run DH because DPS DH is already in the comp

lol

[thorn fiber]

Alright, figure that was probably the case just want to check in the off shoot

[chilly brook]

If you want to seriously push you don’t play either tanks

TBH

[outer dew]

define serious push

[chilly brook]

Unless you’re extremely sold on either one

[oblique garnet]

?

You can push on warrior

[chilly brook]

Like trying to get into the mdi

[oblique garnet]

Shit ill get to mdi on a prot 8)

[chilly brook]

Again I’m not saying you can’t push on warrior

[outer dew]

the guy's toon at 350

[thorn fiber]

Oh god I'm not that good lol

[lusty grotto]

please let's not push meta in here

[outer dew]

he's not going MDI

lmao

[chilly brook]

But if you want to push and not have a huge hurdle to jump over (community perception) you don’t play either class

[little rain]

You can get to the MDI with prot war, you just wont win it with prot war :pepehands:

[chilly brook]

Look can do pretty much anything with any class tbh it’s just a matter of how much effort and sacrifice you’re willing to make

Most people won’t want to put in the amount of both of those that pushing high keys on a warrior or DH will require

[outer dew]

define high keys

some people consider 15's as high keys

and most of the pop's goal atm

is probably 15's

[chilly brook]

I mean running a 15 as a warrior will require more effort than a DK

[neon tangle]

"most of the pop's goal" is more like "can I do my weekly 10"

[chilly brook]

^^

[lusty grotto]

there are more than a handful of people here running 15s though

[neon tangle]

There's DOZENS of us!

[outer dew]

calm down BDK main

[chilly brook]

There are more than a handful of “not most people” in here

[outer dew]

ya joining the we?

[lusty grotto]

but yeah 15s aren't definitely the average joe's numbers

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I'm keeping both geared if it makes you feel any better

I still like my warrior

I do prefer the BDK rotation a bit

But that's all preference

[chilly brook]

Like let’s be real

If you want to do more than a 10 on your warrior, unless you have a god like score, you’re going to be cornering yourself into making your own groups or playing exclusively with friends

That doesn’t fit into the average wow players’ wheelhouse

[oblique garnet]

Oh my god

the double bom

is actually isnane

insane

[chilly brook]

I don’t doubt it

[primal crypt]

like, right now?

do I actually have to do an item restore

[chilly brook]

I’d still wager that even with the buffs we got the average player won’t want to put the effort into prot

[primal crypt]

they wont

the idea of having to care about SB is huge

[cosmic cargo]

one thing is raids, the others is m+

even a mediocre warr will do well in raid now

a mediocre warr in m+ maybe not so much

[primal crypt]

a mediocre warrior in M+ will get murked

so hard

[cosmic cargo]

but the dk nerfs were also hard so the gap in m+ is definitely closer

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet you running 1xDC 2xBoM right now?

[outer dew]

🤔

but i consider myself a mediocre warrior

there's lots of times where i feel like i can play better

[oblique garnet]

Yes yamo

I dropped ilvl for them tho

[primal crypt]

oh lol

[wide girder]

can u show the logs?

Late

[oblique garnet]

Like i pulled one pack and did 40k dps

pulled 2 packs did 70k

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

@primal crypt did you see the link i put for the profiles?

[astral crystal]

late to the convo but what sacrifice does playing prot require exactly, @chilly brook ?

[neon tangle]

I don't actually know if the DK nerfs were -that bad- as I look at them more

its around -6% EHP

[oblique garnet]

@wide girder Hold on about to go to fh

Streaming it

Like the new trait is ridiculous

[neon tangle]

I think the BDK channel is a lil' "sky is falling"

same way that +5% EHP earlier in 8.0 didn't exactly make or break warriors

[cosmic cargo]

its more than 6%

the WoTN change alone is around 5%

not even looking at the armor

[neon tangle]

Go check out the spreadsheet in the pins

on Archerus

For my toon it's 6.14%

ilvl 383

[cosmic cargo]

depends a lot on gear

that just means you have very high str/armor ratio

people with more armor/str got hit harder

say high ilvl legs and shit trinkets

I'd check for my own if I wasn't in bed :P

[neon tangle]

I mean, I'm 383 and my trinkets are my lowest ilvl, both at 370

[cosmic cargo]

strange

since the example there is like 9%

[lucid kelp]

how is the Sanguinated Alchemist stone for tanking?

[neon tangle]

For me as well, if I swap to SSG (for a fight like OT m fetid) I'm still a net positive in EHP over 8.0

(+2.49% EHP w/ SSG over 8.0 w/ no SSG)

[chilly brook]

@astral crystal two fold, you’re sacrificing ease of grouping (community perception ala “why would I take a warrior when I could take a DK”) and you’re also sacrificing ease of play. Now prot isn’t hard to play imo. But compared to DK or monk? Lul

Both of those things are pretty valuable to a sizeable portion of the playerbase

[neon tangle]

I really feel like ease of play isn't really the right way to describe prot vs DK

Prot isn't exactly -hard-, it just does a bad job of surfacing what you did wrong

[chilly brook]

It’s a different playstyle sure but reactive play is inherently easier than proactive

[wide girder]

So 2 bom is the final traits for this meta?

[lusty grotto]

no

[chilly brook]

And like I said I wouldn’t say prot is “hard” to play

But compared to DK or monk it’s rocket science

[lusty grotto]

when you say meta be specific

[chilly brook]

Yes that’s being hyperbolic

[cosmic cargo]

to be fair your average monk on m+ will be terrible

[chilly brook]

To be fair your average monk will still be easier to deal with than the average warrior lmao

[cosmic cargo]

if you just face tank as monk your healer will hate you

I'm not sure about that

I think you underestimate how much passive hots and beacons in raid contribute to monk's strength

[chilly brook]

No lol

[cosmic cargo]

if you have to pump heal one 24/7 in dungeon its a different story

where being bad really shows

while in raid eh

[chilly brook]

And a bad warrior would be even worse....

Monks strength has nothing to do with how many healers are on them or what kind of heals are rolling in

[cosmic cargo]

don't personally have experience with warr in bfa dungeons but pala (which I'd argue has more room for playing well or poorly) when I'm tired and not paying attention feel way safer in dungeons than as monk

and healers I've ran with agree

[lusty grotto]

were talking M+?

[cosmic cargo]

yes

raid is 100% different

[lusty grotto]

right

i mean prot pala can just lotp

[cosmic cargo]

LoTP doesn't heal very much and it has a long ass CD

[lusty grotto]

but i heal my bro regularly and hes brm mostly as hpal

and i have no issues

have you read the patch notes?

lotp heals for a fuck ton

[cosmic cargo]

this isn't legion where HoTP had a tiny CD and healed you to full every time

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto YASSSS

[rapid trench]

I play monk and warrior and I could afk as monk and be fine

[primal crypt]

thanks

[cosmic cargo]

the buff was only for HoTP on other people

the self-healing is unchanged

[lusty grotto]

do you know how lotp works?

[cosmic cargo]

yes

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[cosmic cargo]

if you have both sera and wings running and you crit sure

[lusty grotto]

why wouldn't you be sera in M+?

[cosmic cargo]

but otherwise it really does not heal very much

if you have it running aka when its up

which is 33% of the time roughly

[chilly brook]

Monk is literal ez mode

[lusty grotto]

in m+ i disagree

[chilly brook]

The difference between a monk not using ISB and one not is just how spiky you are

[lusty grotto]

but good monks do outshine the bad

it's just not noticeable in raids

[rapid trench]

the hardest part about playing monk in m+ is convincing your grp that you dont have to play dk

[lusty grotto]

unless you know what you're looking at

[cosmic cargo]

monk really gets chunked the hardest on trash (not counting bears since they're extinct)

[chilly brook]

And keep in mind this is the average warrior

[cosmic cargo]

if you play like an idiot

[chilly brook]

Someone who thinks IP>SB

I’ve seen plenty of monks do just fine on trash tbh

Never seen a monk get deleted in a global

I have seen warriors get deleted in a global

[rapid trench]

kings rest berserkers :^)

[cosmic cargo]

berserkers will fuck a monk even harder

bleeds stagger like magic

aka barely at all

[rapid trench]

just gotta dodge the application

[chilly brook]

Uhhhhh

At least stagger works with it??

[cosmic cargo]

sorta

[rapid trench]

yea but its not doing you any favours

[chilly brook]

No not sorta

[cosmic cargo]

if you call 20% stagger or w.e working

[chilly brook]

Yes

[cosmic cargo]

then sure it "works"

[chilly brook]

That’s 20% not up front that actually gives you some breathing room lmao

I think you’re also forgetting celestial fortune exists

[cosmic cargo]

which is not as impactful in dungeons

that is one of the things that makes them so good in raid imo

[rapid trench]

berserkers are a very niche thing anyways

[cosmic cargo]

true

[rapid trench]

no doubt monk is great in dungeons

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

[rapid trench]

and much easier to "play" than warrior

[cosmic cargo]

not saying its not great if played well

[chilly brook]

Celestial fortune is just as effective in any environment

Celestial fortune isn’t why they’re so “good” in raids

Stagger is period

Stagger is bar none the best “mitigation” in the game

[neon tangle]

real talk I was looking at monks even post-nerfs

And one took a post-enrage thrash w/o ISB up: only hit for 165k

[cosmic cargo]

except without celestial fortune in raid their EHRPS would be way too high

[rapid trench]

but it still wouldnt matter

[cosmic cargo]

on some fights it absolutely would

healers have finite mana on progress

can't spend all their time spamming tank

[chilly brook]

Considering CF shows up as self healing the EHRPS wouldn’t be too high

[ashen maple]

is linger spore pods a good trinket?

lingering

[lucid kelp]

Hmm..The imbued alch stone looks real nice

[drowsy relic]

I think two out of the top ten m+ prot warriors run pods

But maybe it’s cause they didn’t have any other trinkets

[cinder nova]

☝ Wouldn't doubt it. I'm using button and a PVP vers/use STR trinket.

[native forum]

Is there cap on deafening crash now?

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[native forum]

I guess we still want that as a trait though

[cinder nova]

Each DS can have a max duration of 14s, so that's 3 TC extensions at 2s ea.

Yes, very.

[native forum]

cool thanks

you think 10 ilvl on gear is worth dropping for itemized stats?

[cinder nova]

No.

You never drop ilvl on anything but rings, really.

Even then it's within a 5ilvl range usually

Stats are so close it barely matters.

Just having the biggest numbers is what counts

[native forum]

I guess that and the strength is even more important now with the buff

vanguard was buffed right?

[amber siren]

yeah

[cinder nova]

I mean, pre-buff we still stacked the fuck outta ilvl and generally disregarded secondaries.

The buff to vanguard did make it more imperative, but only just.

It's not a huge increase, but it's still a welcome one.

[neon tangle]

@cosmic cargo You were right, they had the numbers wrong originally

Redid my calculations, 8.55% EHP loss for me

BUT, for fights where that matters, SSG lowers the EHP loss to 1.31%

I'll prolly run it on m fetid tonight

[cosmic cargo]

so yell at panthea? 🤔

[neon tangle]

He updated it

I updated my version of it

[cosmic cargo]

also you're ignoring the EHP that FC gives you like 70% of the time

[neon tangle]

i am not

[cosmic cargo]

(not reliable for fetid ofc)

[neon tangle]

FC is actually not -that- good for DR

[oblique garnet]

Nimchip how does paladin heal?

[lusty grotto]

anyone knows how to do triggers for "if has threat" and "if is dismounted"

?

hang on let me check late

depends on his spec

but avenging crusader

is what i run on M+

so basically he pops wings and just hits shit and it heals everyone

[oblique garnet]

yeah but it should outheal prot warrior right?

[lusty grotto]

and heals more if he has virtue up

it should

but not if you have effective healing and nobody is taking damage

[neon tangle]

^^^ really depends on your healers and stuff

prot pallies heals scale w/ their missing health

so if you're not getting hit and your health isn't dropping it's gonna jack your HPS

vs. warrior where your heals happen on the front side

[outer tundra]

Any changes for prot since patch?

I mean azurite trait wise

Remains same or is there a new top 6?

[neon tangle]

Deafening crash went from worth any number of ilvls down to 30ilvls or so

[lusty grotto]

[neon tangle]

^^ that too

[lusty grotto]

rip late

[oblique garnet]

😪

I miss key deletion

I honestly think that if i drop that temple to 10 and push it higher i have better chance of getting a good key

[smoky oak]

Temple is a good key this week

Also the nerf to the last boss saves you alot of time

[oblique garnet]

Yeah its ok in organizer groups

In pugs?

No

[smoky oak]

Get the pugs on voice and ur fine

[oblique garnet]

Eh maybe during the day

Not at 4 am

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck

i love the BoD set

[valid elk]

wow that looks amazing

will likely look terrible on my undead though xD

[lusty grotto]

i like the normal mode tint after that one

sadly im sure it's all plate so

well

[quiet relic]

is triknet off zek any good?

i mean zek

just got a 370 currently using 380 vial and fathoms

[lusty grotto]

you have dps trinkets

so it depends on what you want to do

i personally hate zek trinket

[quiet relic]

true

just didnt want to DE it if it was viable

[lusty grotto]

i mean maybe you could find a use for it

it's just a situational proc

or conditional i suppose

[quiet relic]

even in arms i use vial and fathoms nothing worthwhille in the trinket department has droped

[lusty grotto]

some people here do love it

for whatever reason

[keen galleon]

realistically, how bad is devastator vs booming voice? I find myself gcd capped fairly often so I was wondering if that influenced the value at all, or if it's just a matter of lining up booming voice w/ avatar being too damn good?

[crystal creek]

40 rage is nice

[cinder nova]

BV gives a fuckload of extra rage

and the damage is huge

[pliant sage]

@keen galleon I answered you in the pally discord

[crystal night]

Decimating my guildies on Zul Progression feels amazing https://gyazo.com/fb5c37da14b7b2c98b5d80f70909f8b5

40%ish wipe ( i know it doesnt matter but it just feels good lol )

Mzul

[sick sentinel]

Sorry to say but we are going to have to revoke ur protection warrior license. Number 3 does not cut it here

[finite hornet]

How are tanks doing mythrax? Ours are getting nearly 1 shot with shear/melee combo

[oblique garnet]

Really? I barely fall below 85%

[finite hornet]

Oh wait can't prot just reflect shear lol

[oblique garnet]

Just reduces the damage

[finite hornet]

ah

[oblique garnet]

Demo shout/SR ip

And it hits like a wet noodle

[finite hornet]

thats amazing lol

[cinder nova]

Did they nerf prot damage in PVP?

[oblique garnet]

No

Dont think so

[cinder nova]

Feels like it

Speaking of

Any US realms have abnormally high ping

[lusty grotto]

im ok with mine

[native forum]

normal ping here

[oblique garnet]

Eu servers were runninng like they were from the 90s

Every ability had like 1 second delay atleast

[mellow quartz]

did they fix the tentacle on the last platform in siege now?

[native forum]

yes

i just did a siege now

[sick sentinel]

im being told Deafening Crash is gone. yet the guide says still the best to use. am i being told wrong?

[lusty grotto]

you've answered yourself

but yes

you've been told wrong

[sick sentinel]

thank you. and yea. thank u

[ember crest]

mythrax down, only one more, weeee

love seeing "15 parses" for prot warrior on warcraft logs

[sick sentinel]

Well so far this week I've done literally nothing tank wise since the patch came out, just did lfr NH/EN for tmog and only got 1 piece I cared about

Also I just saw(a bit late) that blizzard just killed the shroud route in UR

[manic perch]

ripped a key last night in WM cause of those retarded adds b4 last boss, they keep ressetting and if i pull them all we dont kill them intime.... fucking blizz

[outer dew]

You can skip those unless they fixed it

[lavish oracle]

Basically every key I've rolled above 10 this week has been shrine or KR

Blizzard does not want me to do Mythic+

Or at least wants me to PUG it

like a plebeian

[manic perch]

yeah not being able to delete a key sucks balls

donkey balls

[lavish oracle]

One of my group mates has a UR so at least there's that

everyone else has KR or Shrine

[manic perch]

havent done it since they fixed the stealth skip, i have a 12 might just try it tonight

[lavish oracle]

Did an 11 of it with a PUG earlier just to see how it was

seems fine

[manic perch]

yeah man hate pugs but dont have a choice.... only like 3 guildies are competent enough to do m+, rest think they are and just rip keys

[lavish oracle]

To be fair, that's PUG.txt half the time

it's basically a coin flip

[manic perch]

lol yeah, laughed so hard at a dk in our guild telling me hes doing good in raid so he can do m+ keys, im like hell no, raid is easy m+ is damn hard, get ur key above 10 with pugs and then ill do it with you 😛

[empty locust]

Can a prot warrior solo run an orb on Mythic G'huun?

Just started working on it last night and exploring all options.

[fierce juniper]

yes

[empty locust]

Thanks mate

[sick sentinel]

what's better, 380 disc of indomitable will with 55 leech or 385 disc with no leech?

[cinder nova]

@fierce juniper Wait, what? Really?

I thought solo-running was basically impossible.

[fierce juniper]

nope

its pretty easy