protection

[primal crypt]

What is this madness

Where

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I'll get back to you on that lol

[primal crypt]

Plz

Find out

Thanks

<3

[lusty grotto]

I know about profiles but not sure which files are which

[primal crypt]

It's been 5 hrs of tweaking

[lusty grotto]

I think they might be under the wtf folder

[primal crypt]

Going into dungeons, parties, raids

Etc

Something is wrong and off

[uneven mason]

the health bars being the same color

when depleted

almost got me killed

on Taloc

cause It looked like I was full health

so I wasn't pressing IP a lot

[oblique garnet]

Gonna stream some depletes with pugs LUL

[lusty grotto]

I don't use class colors on self frames so yeah

But my bro had that problem

What was twitch late

Fuck searching on phone

[dusk locust]

yeah health colors threw me off too

i had to change settings

[pearl briar]

is the 385 alchi stone worth crafting?
cause the sims are underwhelming

[uneven mason]

what sims

[lusty grotto]

Sims 🤔

Please don't say amr please don't say amr please don't say amr

[sick sentinel]

whats the ideal set up for prot right now

[lusty grotto]

[modern brook]

1handed weapon and a shield, preferably plate in every slot

[ember arrow]

[lusty grotto]

BTW I had no new missions @crystal creek :(

[modern brook]

u can technically prot with a 2hander

just no shield bash

or devestate i think

[lusty grotto]

Lol bull

[modern brook]

I think you can actually only stomp

but thats all u do anyways so

[runic fractal]

is the new Ancients' bulwark trait worth taking?

[lusty grotto]

You can tclap for sure haha

No zck, if it's not mentioned in the pinned guides it's not

But if you have nothing else

Use it

[sick sentinel]

so the new azerite trait is garbage?

[lusty grotto]

Which one

BoM?

It's great for m+ alongside dc

That's it

[modern brook]

It's by no means "bad", none of the spec specific ones are, just prioritize it last in that regard.

Bulwark is probably "bad" though. Vers? more like "curse! this isnt mastery or haste or crit or ilvl"

[lusty grotto]

it probably isn't bad but there are better

[crystal creek]

@lusty grotto it only opened after i did my IE's for the week.

And you only need 4 heroics now 36,000

[lusty grotto]

hm

[crystal creek]

got a "treasure map" for completing the IE's and the map gave the rare follower quest.

[lusty grotto]

ok

gotcha

i havent touched expeditions in like... a month

[strong horizon]

they are a lot better than before

and Prot Warr is really good in there

[crystal creek]

IE's are fun as prot.

[daring marlin]

rare follower quest for wat

[plain vapor]

whats the reare follower quest

[crystal creek]

Get a treasure map for doing the IE's reward so far has been 25 residuum or 5k gold with a possible bonus reward of 1500AP

[daring marlin]

lol

[drowsy relic]

lol

just tried a lower ilevel BoM over my BFI at 15 ilvls higher

[daring marlin]

interesting

[drowsy relic]

100% not worth

the ignore pain doesnt even help as well, i was just capping soo hard on rage i had nothing to spend it on

[lusty grotto]

that sounds flawed

why wouldn't you recast IP

you still need to to take advantage of AM

[drowsy relic]

yeah i was still recasting

[lusty grotto]

and obviously proc-less revenges

[drowsy relic]

but i felt my cds were still up in time for the next pack always even without the extra IP from this trait lol

[lusty grotto]

the free IP is not why people are favoring BoM (in M+)

it's the mastery

the free IP is just... there as a bonus

that's not the point of it

still

if you feel BFI does more for you

i'd say go with your gut on that one

[daring marlin]

that was quite possibly the solliest thing I’ve read today

[drowsy relic]

nah i was just mentioning the extra IP wasnt that great as well

[lusty grotto]

it never was hehe

its just a "nice to have"

[daring marlin]

Are you doing heroics?

rofl

[drowsy relic]

lol was just practicing some lower temples, my mate has a 17 tos so i want to make sure I'm comfortable with the pulls later today

[final mist]

The IP is just really nice bonus, especially when you pop Avatar and go into a pull with an IP already up

Gives you a bit of leeway to get things going

[drowsy relic]

hmmmm i felt quite healthy in those packs, now youre making me second guess

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[oblique garnet]

temple 17 was aids

[lusty grotto]

point is

[daring marlin]

On lower keys, though. lol

Like you said

[final mist]

If you're doing low keys, yeah, sure, probably not as noticeable

Raids and higher dungeons, you'll notice the free IP on pull

[lusty grotto]

you should notice higher dmg though

[uneven mason]

BoM is probably going to be up there for M+ keys

[daring marlin]

Wish I had a piece on my main warrior 😦

[uneven mason]

raids are about avg smoothing I guess 😄

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet link twitch damn it

[drowsy relic]

i think BOM is on the ghuun helmet

[lusty grotto]

it is

[drowsy relic]

if you want to snipe a 375 one

[oblique garnet]

https://www.twitch.tv/latett2 ?

[lusty grotto]

thx

fam

[merry elbow]

At work, what keys should I target for DC traits?

[lusty grotto]

none lol

[crystal creek]

I like free IP. little cushion at the start of the pull.

[lusty grotto]

you can't target keys for dc traits

[drowsy relic]

lol Intimidating presence looks ok

[merry elbow]

I mean which dungeons drop gear with DC on them

[lusty grotto]

you can't target keys for any trait lol

[crystal creek]

emissaries or pvp right?

[lusty grotto]

emmisary, weekly chest, pvp or buy it with residuum

[crystal creek]

Well, no more weekly chest.

[lusty grotto]

there's a handy Azerite finder in wowhead

[drowsy relic]

Intimidating presence trait prevents the next 16k damage an enemy deals, do it at the start ofa big pack

and thats pretty solid for a ring 3 trait

[lusty grotto]

Intimidating precense doesn't work on fear immune adds

[drowsy relic]

ahhh

[lusty grotto]

it also doesn't work on bosses

[drowsy relic]

its between that or vampiric speed, so Im just trying it out atm

[lusty grotto]

yikes

welp

[sacred roost]

any changes to the recommended azerite traits in 8.1?

still want 1 DC and 2 BFI?

[uneven mason]

more or less

for raiding

BoM has its use for M+

[sacred roost]

BoM is what?

[uneven mason]

Bastion of Might

Avatar gives you a free IP

and increases your mastery

which

is basically like a free DPS buff to Avatar

as well as pretty solid vs multiple targets (the more targets the "stronger" it becomes)

[sacred roost]

so it takes the spot of one of the BFI's?

[uneven mason]

right

inside Uldir you're going to want at least 1 Archive though

but BoM won't really compete with BFI for boss tanking

outside of just giving you a "I didn't explode" on pull

[daring marlin]

in uldir mythic

in particular

[sacred roost]

so we are still squishy af?

[ember arrow]

[daring marlin]

lol

We weren’t squishy before

[ember arrow]

^

[sacred roost]

felt like it, with the damn zul bleed/dot/whatever

[ember arrow]

Welcome to bfa tanking

[uneven mason]

0_o

[daring marlin]

zul dot is like the only thing

[ember arrow]

[uneven mason]

yeah that always gets me

[daring marlin]

And dk is the king of that

[uneven mason]

Nah Guilford

even handling Zul's dot

properly

we're not more/less squishy than any other tank

BDKs have to work hard to not get chunked by it too

I mean

unless they're using Purgatory

which only saves them once.

But I Tell ya

Blood DK was feeling the nerfs lastnight

[daring marlin]

I’m just saying

dots suck more for us

[sacred roost]

thought they only got 1 nerf?

[uneven mason]

yeah

[daring marlin]

But we can still roll ip

and be k

Keep pumping it and genning rage til dot is low

[sacred roost]

a 5% nerf to WotN hurt them that much?

[uneven mason]

To clear something up for ya Furva, Warriors were superior to other tanks in many situations "Mechanically"

[sacred roost]

I can't see that being THAT bad.

[uneven mason]

We were very very severely punished for mistakes though

and a 10%~ or so drop in overall armor iirc

they lost armor from bone shield

[sacred roost]

ahhh, I didn't see that, I saw the WotN nerf, it didn't seem terrible.

[modern brook]

IDK if tank murder gun is the only thing that melts us

[uneven mason]

Warriors were "bad" because we were hard to play perfectly

[modern brook]

are we really squishy?

[ember arrow]

Armor doesnt redice bleeds

[uneven mason]

We're still harderish to play perfectly than say, monks and druids

[sacred roost]

Can we keep SB up infinitly now, with the new reduction on cd?

[uneven mason]

but with the IP shift off the GCD we're moer forgiving

[ember arrow]

Idk y u guys talk about dk like it matters in this case

[uneven mason]

no

[ember arrow]

[uneven mason]

Do you have a fucking alarm that goes off Levko 😄

[modern brook]

they have grip tho lev 😦

[uneven mason]

whenever someone in #protection says BDK

But anyway, all in all, warriors wee not squishy, we're less squishy now

[sacred roost]

I think the main thing BDK's have going for them is superior utility and survivability, still

[uneven mason]

That is it yes

[limber tulip]

???

[uneven mason]

erm

Utility

not survivability

Situatiioinally they get wrecked harder than we do

[steep cargo]

What traits are you guys aiming for?

[uneven mason]

1x DC 2xBFI for raiding

[sacred roost]

DC and 2x BFI

[uneven mason]

well

[primal crypt]

bdk

[steep cargo]

And for m+?

[uneven mason]

unless the new raid has another "RA"

[sacred roost]

but I think it's ilvl over all now, isn't it?

[sick sentinel]

1 dc, 1 bfi , 1 archive for raiding

[uneven mason]

M+ 1DC 1BoM 1xIF

DC is still probably worth 15

so its a 2 tier upgrade

[primal crypt]

1:14 PM] Kage: 1 dc, 1 bfi , 1 archive for raiding

[sacred roost]

I thought they nerf dc considerably? it's still worth that much?

[uneven mason]

for the average player

the DC nerf did nothing

[primal crypt]

DC is still really good

[uneven mason]

since, ya'll couldn't keep DS up 70% + anyway

[primal crypt]

I dont know where people are getting it got nerfed to ununsable levels

[uneven mason]

it was folks like Griff (Sal rest his soul) who had 75%+ Uptime on DS

[sand egret]

welcome to internet gaming

[uneven mason]

that it got tanked for

[sacred roost]

I didn't say unasable, i didn't realise it was still worth 15 ilvls

[sand egret]

if the value goes down = shitty now

if the value goes up = OP

[primal crypt]

ah

[ember arrow]

@uneven mason uhh no. Do you have an alarm every time someone asks a question

[uneven mason]

2% NERF - UNPLAYABLE!!!!!!!!

[primal crypt]

you right @sand egret

[ember arrow]

Pointless question

[uneven mason]

Only during lunchbreak

[sick sentinel]

Guys

Check

The

Pins

Ffs

[sand egret]

I forget the game, but there was a case of placebo patch notes dropped to see how it affected "balance" . Sure enough, "X is weak" came out despite it not actually changing in the slightest

[uneven mason]

Just seems that someone is like "how is varrior versus vampire boy or emocutty kid" and you're like "DKs shouldn't be part of a discussion on tanks" 👁

/s

Yeah Bladesong - folks were like "Did you see the huge nerf to Druid healing"

and we're like "uh, you mean the shift from 1 massive CD to actual reliably castable spells?"

[sand egret]

i find the social construct of gaming so fascinating

esp the concept of a "meta"

[ember arrow]

@uneven mason personal bias. Also he did mention bleeds

Then yall started talking about bdk armor nerfs

While armor doesnt affect bleeds

[uneven mason]

But IP does

[ember arrow]

Yes

[uneven mason]

a considerable amount

[ember arrow]

But i dindt argue vs that

[uneven mason]

as does Demo shout

[ember arrow]

I said mentioning armor nerfs is kinda pointless when armor doesnt affect said dmg

[uneven mason]

K, I segued into the fact that the BDK I was tanking with lastnight was noticing his armor/WOTN drop

I felt it too on my alt

[ember arrow]

Wotn drop would be noticed

Armor not

On bleeds

[uneven mason]

oh yeah not on bleeds

Wasn't talking about bleeds

[ember arrow]

The guy asking questions was

[uneven mason]

No

someone was answering his questions

about warriors

with a situational about bleeds

which was misinformation anyway

[lusty grotto]

looks like i missed a juicy discussion

[uneven mason]

nah

[stuck oxide]

Stop talking about BDK on a prot warrior channel

Kk ty

[ember arrow]

felt like it, with the damn zul bleed/dot/whatever "furva"

[uneven mason]

Levko just defending his favorite vampireboys

Guilford is the one that rolled up some talk about zul bleeds

[lusty grotto]

lol

[dark lintel]

So does anyone have trouble building rage in m+

[ember arrow]

Mectier bothering others for no reason👀

[uneven mason]

and said "But DK is king of that" which isn't quite true.

[sick sentinel]

@dark lintel you're probably overspending

[uneven mason]

No Streamer

[lusty grotto]

yes, people who spam IP have trouble building rage in m+

[dark lintel]

I don’t even get any late

[lusty grotto]

that's who

[dark lintel]

Kage

[lusty grotto]

are you specced correctly?

how can you not have rage

[stuck oxide]

You spam ip to reduce other cooldown .y brother

[lusty grotto]

are you using Demo Shout?

[uneven mason]

Are you using DS/Avatar to generate rage?

Intercept?

[dark lintel]

Am I supposed to take the demoshour to build rage

Is that my mistake

[stuck oxide]

Are u spaming heroic strike

Wat

[lusty grotto]

err

[uneven mason]

erm, what spec are you using

[lusty grotto]

ok go back to the guides Streamer

[ember arrow]

👌

[dark lintel]

I don’t take it in raids I just started doing m+

[sand egret]

I would double check you're built right, as you shouldn't have an issue with lack-of-rage in most M+ scenarios

[lusty grotto]

you don't take Demo Shout - you already have it...

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

our spec is the same for everything

[primal crypt]

yikes

[lusty grotto]

read the icy veins guide

[sand egret]

I think he gets it

[sick sentinel]

Use a ip tracker and don't use IP unless you're full of rage and don't wanna cap (for AM reasons) or unless the number on the tracker is white

[stuck oxide]

but if he doesnt know what a pin is

😁

[dark lintel]

So you spam being an asshole

[sand egret]

it's the Pin icon in the top right

[dark lintel]

?

[lusty grotto]

read the guides please

[lusty grotto]

they were written for a reason

so people like you could find information

[stuck oxide]

Lol !

[dark lintel]

I don’t see that on my phone

[sand egret]

oof mobile

[ember arrow]

Uhh

[sand egret]

where is it

[ember arrow]

U can

Top right

[crystal creek]

ah click on the word"protection"

[ember arrow]

Then pinned messages

[stuck oxide]

Top right 3 little dot

[sand egret]

yeah what @crystal creek said

[dark lintel]

Thank you

[crystal creek]

There's a drop down menu

[limber tulip]

u guys are so rude wtf

[ember arrow]

Go away

[limber tulip]

ok

[stuck oxide]

We are toxic city

[sand egret]

if you have further questions after that, we can prob help you out.

[dark lintel]

I don’t have the 3 Dots

It was under protection

[lusty grotto]

ok

[dark lintel]

Thank you

[sand egret]

click the "#protection" button

[crystal creek]

I've found this to be one of the more friendly discords tbh.

[lusty grotto]

must be an iphone thing

[uneven mason]

This is what happens

[sand egret]

yeah, it is

[uneven mason]

when we get buffed

[lusty grotto]

3 dots are android 😃

[uneven mason]

We start turning into the paladin discord 😁

[crystal creek]

Lol

Hammer of WRATH

[uneven mason]

"Guys, we don't have to be concerned with basic survival any longer, lets go be douches"

😉

[lusty grotto]

or... just go to icy-veins.com and look up the prot warrior guide @dark lintel

[crystal creek]

I do like Panthea though.

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

yikes

we will see more of that

tons more

i was kinda bothered by the "i don't take demo shour" paraphrasing here

[crystal creek]

Yep, let's try to be polite but direct when help.

[lusty grotto]

it almost seems like he didn't know demo shout is a skill not a talent

[crystal creek]

lol Demo shower.

[sand egret]

yeah, but doesn't help anyone to be short about it

[crystal creek]

Agreed, just gives a bad rep.

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair all we did was

[modern brook]

op emote tbh

[sand egret]

first question is: " are you following the guide" and if the answer is "what guide" then hit em with the emoji

[lusty grotto]

aint nobody got time for that

[modern brook]

I like to hit ppl with

[lusty grotto]

there's nothing rude with

[modern brook]

just to keep em off balance

[primal crypt]

Im furry main now

[sand egret]

well considering the amount of lines you wrote, you clearly had time 😃

[sick sentinel]

and are the best emotes this server has tbh

[daring marlin]

lol

[uneven mason]

Sadly, we don't have sims

[crystal creek]

[modern brook]

@uneven mason harder

[lusty grotto]

blade cmon

[uneven mason]

I was supposed to fix our simc

if I got fired

but they let me keep my job

RIP

[primal crypt]

@soft kindle taught me everything

[sand egret]

we finally got people coming in here to improve, no reason to shove em off imho

[modern brook]

I mean congrats

[primal crypt]

No more prot

[modern brook]

but also dang

[lusty grotto]

that wasn't shoving off, that was "go to the guides" lol

[sand egret]

just could improve on our delivery is all

[sick sentinel]

yo

something completely unrelated

[daring marlin]

DK’s survivability is directly tied to the damage they take which is why they handle bleeds better than us, hence my comment about them being kings of zul dot.

[modern brook]

can we get a :pins_nice: thats just but in a welcoming pink?

[sick sentinel]

but I hate azerite veins

[lusty grotto]

L2p would be shoving off 😉

[sick sentinel]

after yesterday

[primal crypt]

How come?

[daring marlin]

Prot pallies can bop it off but so can other pallies

[primal crypt]

Why you no like AV

[daring marlin]

I don’t see how what I said is wrong

[crystal creek]

🌻 🌻

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gaWqLHx24XC6YTVK/#fight=last

[sand egret]

haha flowers are a nice touch

[sick sentinel]

IT DID NOT PROC ONCE

[lusty grotto]

wat happen @oblique garnet i missed it

[modern brook]

🌈 🌞 🌝 🌃

[sand egret]

AV is wack

[soft kindle]

Pinged reeeeee

[sick sentinel]

in a 5min and 34 sec fight

[sand egret]

seems cool

but that shit is so fickle

[sick sentinel]

look at this log

[oblique garnet]

Idk man the warrior wanted to kill me

[sand egret]

it's like "NAW CHILL IM GOOD FOR THIS ONE"

[oblique garnet]

He was always running after me with the quaking

[lusty grotto]

lol i saw him quaking you a few times

[sand egret]

then like "OH YOU TOOK 2 damage, TIME TO PROC"

[lusty grotto]

professionals doing last boss though with all that shit on the ground

[oblique garnet]

XDD

[lusty grotto]

i thought EU pugs had "evolved"

[oblique garnet]

they were 4 premade

Oh they have

[lusty grotto]

wtf lol

[sand egret]

AV should proc automaticaly at 40% hp and have an ICD

[oblique garnet]

on high keys

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[oblique garnet]

but like that was a fiesta

[lusty grotto]

looked like fun

[uneven mason]

I agree with AV should be an auto trigger

at low HP

its wasted so much of the time

[modern brook]

I'll be devils advocate

[uneven mason]

while tanking raids

it'll proc

[oblique garnet]

Idk man it felt like the healer wasnt even healing half the time

[uneven mason]

and then a heal hits me

[modern brook]

why should a 2nd teir trait be better than most of our 3rd teir traits?

[uneven mason]

so it fades instantly

[sand egret]

tier as in ring>

[modern brook]

inner -> outer

[sand egret]

or tier as in created list by us

[modern brook]

inners have been refered to as t2 and outers as t3 on blood mallets / other sites ive read

so i assumed it was standard

[soft kindle]

Most t2 traits are more important than t1 traits

as far as deciding what your best azerite is

for dps

[sand egret]

ahh I'd think the "outer", class specific ones, were tier 1

and tier 2 is like AV while IV is like tier 3

[soft kindle]

so it's not strange for the similar to be true for tanks

[sick sentinel]

thing is

[soft kindle]

actually I think it's more true for prot, because most of your t1 traits are p much equal

[sick sentinel]

it was a fight with no healers

so it was REALLY important for it to proc at least once

[sand egret]

the thing with the tier 2 traits is that they're more "generic" so their power is equally as so.

[modern brook]

Ithink you're massively downplaying how absurdly good AV would be if it was a garunteed proc

[tender berry]

are any of you having troble whet Shield Block weak auras

[sand egret]

im not in the slightest

[uneven mason]

no

[sand egret]

as I made no mention of anything outside of how it functions. A guaranteed proc at even a lower healing rate is something you can tune

but the function of the ability itself is an anti-greivous system that doesn't have a grievous-like activator

[modern brook]

if your Wa's are running into issues, make sure WA is updated and any other UI Addon is also updated

[sand egret]

thus my request to make it consistent

[modern brook]

sometimes it helps to just toggle a color too

2 scenarios exist

[sand egret]

yeah the addon stuff also got jumbled in the patch

so check that

[tender berry]

yer i see a update i try it thx

[modern brook]

either u make it consistent and it needs to be downtuned to the point of useless ness

[sand egret]

eh

that's overplaying it

it's not a binary thing of consistency = insane power

[sick sentinel]

my first 395 piece, ever

[modern brook]

3x av @385= 23.4k hps

[sand egret]

right?

we've already established those numbers will change

[modern brook]

assuming ~180k thats roughly 13% of your max hp a second

consistently procing at 40% for 18 seconds

[sand egret]

also established those numbers are tunable

could be a 5 min lockout

could be for 10 seconds

[oblique garnet]

AV healing is inconsistent in m+ atleast

[sand egret]

could be half that healing

[modern brook]

my point is that having it consistently proc => you can play around it => 3x av is equivlent to an additional cooldown

[steady slate]

i had a problem tanking temple last night. at the third boss, the spikes were sometimes generating two beams instead of one. is that a change or a bug?

[modern brook]

@sick sentinelaad i noticed that too

[sand egret]

well, if you invest 3 traits into that, i'd argue that it becoming a pseudo cooldown isn't a bad thing

[modern brook]

sorry rol

Blade ppl are bitching about dc being necessary as a one of

[sand egret]

as numerically in its form it was

what you brought up was pre-tuning

[modern brook]

roaald i dont know if its a change or a bug, but i know you're not crazy, definitely happened to me too

[steady slate]

which traits are you discussing?

[modern brook]

theoretical changes to av

[sick sentinel]

azerite veins

[modern brook]

its not a real discussion

[crystal creek]

They were supposed to change the animation and positioning of the lightning on Galv.

[sick sentinel]

and the fact that it did not proc once in a 5:34 sec fight

[steady slate]

the pools that open beneath you?

[crystal creek]

Not bug it.

[sick sentinel]

where I was actively taking damage

[steady slate]

the animation was definitely different

[modern brook]

no AV is the one that heals when u take damage sometimes

[sand egret]

naw, the chance-to-proc healing trait that stops when you hit 100% hp or after 18 seconds

[daring marlin]

av is trash

[steady slate]

is bloodsport in a better position with the changes to IP?

[sand egret]

the discussion is that with increased consistency, the trait could be tuned to feel better

I believe bull's point is that the consistency in itself is what will give it too much power

my stance is that you can tune around it

[primal crypt]

d

[modern brook]

My point is that either its consistent and too powerful or the nerfs to bring it inline with being consistent would be too much to make it worth while

[steady slate]

i've been using 1x dc and 2x bfi or 1x dc, 1x bfi, 1x aot

[modern brook]

Take ilvl generally

Its discussed in the PINS

but you generally want 1 dc, 1 reorigination if in raid, and then prioritize ilvls

[sand egret]

also bull, there is a world where it is a non-linear scaling trait like IV

to address the stacking issue

[modern brook]

the stacking issue isnt one of design but of desire

[steady slate]

all my azerite gear is pretty much unlocked 375, so i just mix and match

[sand egret]

in re: Bloodsport, it's a trait I want to mess with. Juicier IPs does sound enticing

[modern brook]

and is relatively tertiary to what i want to argue

[sand egret]

well it was a counter-point you brought up in respect to it being a minicooldown numerically

[modern brook]

blood sport is cute

for the record

def doesnt feel bad

BFI i think is the biggest winner as far as old traits go

[sand egret]

imho i think it's better now too

[modern brook]

since i no longer have to debate between IP and SS in avatar 😦

[sick sentinel]

BFI or BoM?

[sand egret]

as i'm getting more SS's out in general

[modern brook]

BFI i think got the most out of prot changes

is what i mean

[sand egret]

ya, i'm more consistently getting 3-4 stacks in a BFI window

[keen spire]

just stack 3 iron fortresses and win

🙂

[sand egret]

I really wanna get IF tho

[modern brook]

did they buff IF or something

[sand egret]

i just dont have it

[keen spire]

Honestly it's my favorite trait

nothing has changed about it

I just love it

[sand egret]

and in M+ it begins to shine (which is what I only do)

[modern brook]

I've never heard anyone talk about it tillpost 8.1

[keen spire]

Yeah, in raids it's not particularly spectacular

[sand egret]

eh there's been some back and forth on it and BFI, but I think it's more in a spotlight due to the prospect of having more trait slots to actually use it

[modern brook]

yeah thats fair

[sand egret]

as before it was this or that

[modern brook]

I'm def doing 1xdc 1x BoM as a baseline

other 4 i think are pretty open

even if bom sucks shit in Raid, ip on avatar feels good

[keen spire]

Why not just one of each

[sand egret]

like I wanna try 3x IF 3x Bloodsport/BoM for just M+ bombing

[modern brook]

i think you'll still get more value out of a DC over 1 if

[sand egret]

maybe

[modern brook]

DS duration = 15% damage buff

[sand egret]

still something I wanna try

point is, I'm way more likely to be in a situation to try it, in 8.1

[ornate gulch]

did they buff our block?

there are wq guys that were 2m+ hp i couldnt beat before

[daring marlin]

av is gr8

[ornate gulch]

now i block everything

[daring marlin]

for soloing mythic dungeons

[ornate gulch]

this is strange

[modern brook]

they buffed block in that we can block rocks and shoot

[ornate gulch]

i was nearly invincible lol

[modern brook]

probably not the answer to u being able to beat new wq mobs

[ornate gulch]

lowest i dropped was 80%

[modern brook]

reality is u probably just started pressing the buttons like 👨 instead of 🐒

[ornate gulch]

then i just used the heal lol

[crystal creek]

Well your amount of block was buffed due to vanguard increase, think my increase was 1.7% dmg reduction

[ornate gulch]

this one guy used to kill me

it kept saying block on every attack against me

i was taking 0 damage during blocks

[sick sentinel]

hey

prot friends

[ornate gulch]

like wtf lol

time for prot pvp then? 😛

[modern brook]

hi weep

[sick sentinel]

come do dungeone with me and teach me all the key strats :'))

[modern brook]

UHhh

Prot tanking in keys is

[crystal creek]

Learning some myself.

[sick sentinel]

ye but like

pulls and stuff

[modern brook]

Throw weapon ->hide behind rock -> BIG MONGO MAN MODE-> STOMP

[sick sentinel]

packs

[modern brook]

https://raider.io/news/3-the-weekly-route-fortified-teeming-quaking-infested

not trying to brush off request: that link helped me a lot this week

cause this week is fucking cancer :^)

[crystal creek]

I was learning some motherlode pulls the fun way.

[modern brook]

ITs kinda cut and dry with heres an option for big stupid idiots and heres one for my group

but you should be able to extrapolate the concepts from the expert routes and apply them to your group

I'm actually going to miss Infested next season

Reaping doesnt look like it will require as much fine tuning week-by-week

[sick sentinel]

xd

[modern brook]

Other generic advice would be to pull fat when you can. TRy and keep in mind your DPS's cooldowns when applicable.

[raven pike]

For alliance does night elf shadowmeld have value

tanking wise

[uneven mason]

Uh

saves repair bills if the wipe isn't your fault?

[raven pike]

i mean for the Necrotic resets

was curious how much of problem warrior had with that

[uneven mason]

no the dot will tick and break it

depends on how much room we have

[modern brook]

we have better kiting tools than most tanks

[uneven mason]

if we got a good max range leap in us, we can clear stacks NP

[modern brook]

DH and monk i think beat us but thats about it

yeah generally SW->leap gets you clear

[uneven mason]

Basically, what you learn in M+

[modern brook]

we parry/dodge less than other tanks

[uneven mason]

Pull around your affixes

if ou got necrotic

don't go big D unless you got space

[modern brook]

or the group utility to deal with it

IE: mistweaver ROP

[uneven mason]

^^

[modern brook]

etc

[uneven mason]

Mistweaver OP

Boomkin

[modern brook]

Mistweaver/bdk/dh is the core of any good comp 20+ imo

[uneven mason]

Like, some trees

go a long fucking way

[mellow quartz]

Forgot rogues

Shroud is love

[raven pike]

@modern brook shakib stopped playing his DH tho at +20 think DH are falling off

[uneven mason]

whats rogues gonna do vs necrotic

[modern brook]

I just meant in general, mact aly was refering to that

[raven pike]

@modern brook tank wise atleast

[mellow quartz]

Guy said monk DH and bdk for high keys

[modern brook]

I also meant havoc not vengeance

[mellow quartz]

Nothing about necrotic

[modern brook]

VDH is garbo imo

its just the worst parts of every tank put into one

and hen given the coolest animations and big boy leap

[raven pike]

honestly surprised it got zero love in patch

[modern brook]

theres like 3 ppl that play dh for vengeance

[raven pike]

are warrior in the running for pushing competitive keys now or is it still BDK and Monk

[modern brook]

I think Sense and Late would have the best opinions on that

[uneven mason]

We're not going to magically be shitting on +19s if thats what you're asking

[mellow quartz]

DK utility is still great

[modern brook]

I think its very tough for tanks to compete with the ubiquity of grip and the usefulness of RoP when it comes to high keys

[uneven mason]

Its all about the utility

and while warriors have solid raid utility

we still don't have a reliable snare

or a grip

[mellow quartz]

They cds are like they are build for M+

And of course grip and stuns

[modern brook]

90% snare for goonies

[mellow quartz]

Yeah dnd talent is love

[uneven mason]

more or less if you want to push high keys as a warrior

[modern brook]

slash general kiting

[uneven mason]

you're basically stacking Boomkin/MW/Mage/DK as your comp

[modern brook]

Warriors bring with them huge dps and Spell reflect memes

[mellow quartz]

But now there is 30% slow from food buffs

[uneven mason]

can't kite on 30%

mobs run 30% faster than your tuckus

[modern brook]

tclap is 20% on its own isnt it?

[uneven mason]

now if they stack

[sick sentinel]

what's up boys

it' sme

[uneven mason]

than that'd be good

[sick sentinel]

ready to go for the 3xAV 3xIP dream

[mellow quartz]

Have a melee dps run that slow buff

And your TC

[lusty grotto]

what are competitive keys for you @raven pike ?

[mellow quartz]

And gtfo

[uneven mason]

don't think they stack Alyrion

highest %

[modern brook]

i mean if ur running high keys as prot without a consistent source of slow 🤷

[mellow quartz]

Would suck then

[uneven mason]

now if they extended Dragon's roar to be a full duration snare

rather than 6 seconds

[lusty grotto]

nope im not fucking kiting

over losing UF

[uneven mason]

lol

[mellow quartz]

Just stun and run away then 😃

[modern brook]

just duct tape dragons roar onto ravager

[sick sentinel]

kite idiot

[uneven mason]

AM still too strong

[modern brook]

ravager dragon roars each .9 seconds

ezpz

[lusty grotto]

prot warriors don't kite unless its necrotic

sry boys

[modern brook]

^ honestly also worth mentioning

Block shits on white damage

[mellow quartz]

What if their healer sucks?

[lusty grotto]

you die with honor

[modern brook]

u replace them

[lusty grotto]

ALT + F4 that key

[modern brook]

though more likely you get replaced by a bdk

[lusty grotto]

you dodged a bullet, err blocked? parried?

[modern brook]

we can block bullets now

😃

[lusty grotto]

ya

[sick sentinel]

🤔

dunno what talents 2 run for 10s but tbh it just looks like all the same stuf fis gud

CT > BS maybe

[modern brook]

you should basically never be touching your talent tree

[lusty grotto]

[hushed cobalt]

@uneven mason rogues vs necrotic, they bring crippling poison 50% perma slow... and tricks

[modern brook]

Like the only situation i can come up with is if u have 0 melee and intend to single pull everything

punish might be better

[lusty grotto]

you can just SS + Hamstring

or piercing howl if that still exists for FuRRies

[sick sentinel]

i'm prot u fuckin idiot

:toxic:

[lusty grotto]

that's a bit conceited, im not talking at you

[sick sentinel]

SURE

B(

calling me out for being fury

[modern brook]

catfriend wouldnt have made that mistake 😦

[sick sentinel]

I see through your lies

[lusty grotto]

lol bull

[sick sentinel]

i'm not catfriend

never will be

[lusty grotto]

yikes shots fired

[sick sentinel]

too toxic to be

[lusty grotto]

toxicatfriend

[sick sentinel]

but yeah

fury has piercing howl

it's 10 rage

50% slow for 15s

[modern brook]

more like next page

not spending my rampage bar on that

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[sick sentinel]

its actually on page 1

[modern brook]

no cause like

ramPAGE

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[oblique garnet]

Welp time to wipe on mythrax for the next 4 hours 8 )

[modern brook]

Wait Late

[lusty grotto]

bullfango please turn in your prot badge for that bad joke

[modern brook]

fuck u nim

[lusty grotto]

you're on time out for 10 mins

[oblique garnet]

what bullfango?

[sick sentinel]

i like it bull

[modern brook]

Dont instead

[sick sentinel]

i liiked your joke

[modern brook]

down him in 5 mins

T.T

catfriend wouldnt have liked my joke

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[oblique garnet]

Down him in 5 minutes and then wipe the next 3 hours 55 minutes on ghuun?

[sick sentinel]

we did it boys

[modern brook]

Better play dont u think ?

[lusty grotto]

now get 150% weep!

[prisma viper]

What are your opinions on Crackling Thunder vs Bounding Stride in higher M+ ?

[modern brook]

take safegaurd

[lusty grotto]

crackling is whack if you want controlled pulls so it depends on the dungeon, it's very personal really

whatever you need for that week's key/affix/dungeon

[sick sentinel]

i run bs

[modern brook]

CT is more useful during kite weeks

[sick sentinel]

because theres no way im running into someone else

to protect them

[modern brook]

BS is ubiquitous in its application

safegaurd gives you an external

[oblique garnet]

Crackling thunder because i like pulling big

Only place where you run into issues with it is tol dagor

[lusty grotto]

in the back of mind

i was specifically saying that because of tol dagor

lol

[sick sentinel]

so

how do u even do zul

p2

[oblique garnet]

Eh it wasnt me who pulled the extra adds so no issues there xD

[sick sentinel]

I assume u trade crusher while ur other tank gets blood dot

and then runs away to drop the pool

[modern brook]

We blessinged it

[lusty grotto]

run out get bop'ed

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much yeah

[sick sentinel]

its heroic so not mythic

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin will help! take nimchipadin

[sick sentinel]

but i got rly low parse on it

[oblique garnet]

Same applies

[sick sentinel]

like

80

[oblique garnet]

As a prot?

[sick sentinel]

yea

[modern brook]

you need to go harder in the opener

[sick sentinel]

:((

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you right cant beat my 99

[modern brook]

and never be the cursher tank

alternatively

[lusty grotto]

remember logs are different due to patches though, so are rankings @oblique garnet

[modern brook]

be a bad cursher tank and never take it out of the stack

[lusty grotto]

so technically someone beat you

[modern brook]

effectively the same for the sake of parsing.

[sick sentinel]

in p2

[oblique garnet]

Ye obviously

[sick sentinel]

aren't both tanks crusher tanks

[modern brook]

Yeah but your parse is done before p2

[oblique garnet]

Since 8.1 has new rankings and i havent cleared hc

[lusty grotto]

no, because zul is tanked in p2

[sick sentinel]

i gotchu

go away nim

[modern brook]

It also dependson how you go into p2

[oblique garnet]

You get the parses by cheesing

[sick sentinel]

youre not agreeing with me

i dont like it

[oblique garnet]

Which pug groups dont do

[lusty grotto]

👉

[modern brook]

:arianagrande:

sidebar

What are peoples feelings towards bury the hatchet in m+

[sick sentinel]

so i cant parse in pugs

[modern brook]

cause its quickly becoming my favorite 3rd trait

[sick sentinel]

is what ur saying

and guilds will never take me

because they care about parses as tank

for some reason

[modern brook]

:feelswarriorman:

[shut summit]

super strong in explosive weeks

wouldnt really fuck with it outside of that

[modern brook]

I'm not sure if ive just been lucking into last hits but i got a lot of value out of it in my temple run yesterday

every other pull or so

also @shut summit It was asked earlier: cna warriors compete with bdk/monk for high keys?

[shut summit]

yup

[sick sentinel]

ye

[modern brook]

pin that plz

[sick sentinel]

esp after bdk nerf

bdk still #1 tho

cus utility

probably

Citation needed

[modern brook]

I just want Sense: Yup to be pinned tbh

so we can instead of "yeah"

[sick sentinel]

people really dont want you to use their transmog yak

i used someone else's

and then right as i was done they dismounted

but i already did it

so i said "too late you loser"

and then they logged off

anyway

how about that ancient knot of fury

[modern brook]

ithought u were prot now?

[plain ice]

got all 3 items from ivus last night

the boss was repeatable

[uneven mason]

meme level parry on a 1min CD

[plain ice]

able to get loot every time you killed him so long as you logged out

dk if it still works

[sick sentinel]

i mean

i want to

but i dont want to uhhh get BANNED.

[plain ice]

you forgot to bonus roll last time, right?

😉

[sick sentinel]

they might not ban

might just remove

but im gonna go kill ivus anyway

fuck it

they can't ban all of us

[uneven mason]

Well

you're just a fury warrior

[sick sentinel]

quote from player banned

[uneven mason]

so

[sick sentinel]

i'm prot

actually

[uneven mason]

Fury

[plain ice]

i said the same thing man

[uneven mason]

fotm

[sick sentinel]

prot

[plain ice]

they can't ban us all

[sick sentinel]

naaaah

[plain ice]

🙃

[sick sentinel]

i was prot

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[sick sentinel]

the day before 8.1

[uneven mason]

Parry

[sick sentinel]

and you fuckin losers

told me to wait until 8.1

so you can't say i'm a fotm

[uneven mason]

fotm

[sick sentinel]

because i started playing before it was fotm

[oblique garnet]

smh all these fotm rerollers

[novel agate]

is prot looking better, havnt really seen any around. just wondered if IP off the GCD made it bearable

[sick sentinel]

this rly makes me upset pls stop

):

[daring marlin]

fotm heroes

[uneven mason]

Why, you gonna start

weeping?

[lusty grotto]

Hey my alert didn't go off

[lavish oracle]

I thought it was bearable before IP off the GCD, @novel agate so, hard to say

Plays smoother than butter now, though

[lusty grotto]

🚨 🚨 fotm reroller alert 🚨 🚨

Smh

Now it does

[plain ice]

only thing that matters is what our overlord sco thinks

[lusty grotto]

Yes the warrie king lord sco

[novel agate]

lol. thanks @lavish oracle , one of our tanks was talking about switching back to healing and possible needing to step back into the prot ring.

[uneven mason]

Well

you missed a great time to shine

8.0

was like the era of "Wow, you're a lot easier to heal than LORD SCO said you were"

[lusty grotto]

Prot is better, but not "so good you'll never die if you're bad" better or "watch Netflix while tanking" better

[primal crypt]

Are we viable yet?

[lusty grotto]

viable

[sick sentinel]

u cant loot it multiple times anymore

😦

they fixed it

so i guess u get to keep ur shit

[uneven mason]

it'll be coming around

[sick sentinel]

most likely no punishment though

just removal of item

who knows

it's blizz

they might not even remove it

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

so many shitty decisions

[rocky tiger]

With the smackdown to DC is it worth having a fiddle with devastator again?

[lusty grotto]

Fuck no

[sick sentinel]

ew

[rocky tiger]

Thought not. Just sanity checking

[sick sentinel]

booming voice is reeeally really good

[lusty grotto]

Maybe when devastator gains rage per hit again

[sick sentinel]

40 rage and 15% dmg is good

[lusty grotto]

Which won't happen because COASTAL SURGE

[sick sentinel]

devastator does less damage than devastate

and has a less chance to proc shield slam

[lusty grotto]

False

[sick sentinel]

how 🤔

are auto attacks faster than gcd?

[rocky tiger]

Overall you get more auto attacks

[sick sentinel]

and is the 20% chance additive towards the 30%?

I see

[rocky tiger]

Unless you're casting devastate every GCD :p

[lusty grotto]

You're not using every gcd to devastate anyway

[sick sentinel]

of course

I'm a true warrior

I only devastate

[lusty grotto]

Not with other abilities doing more dmg

[sick sentinel]

I thought that was how you were supposed to play prot

once you're at 100 rage you just spam devastate :)

[lusty grotto]

Oh weep

[rocky tiger]

WAIT FOR FIVE SUNDERS

[lusty grotto]

Weep memeing

[sick sentinel]

save block for his fire attack

make sure you're attuned and have your onyxia scale cloak

[lusty grotto]

Good fucking lord lol

[sick sentinel]

yeah i'm mad over vanilla

i'm mad

[lusty grotto]

But hey devastate refreshes sunder

Theres no devastate in vanilla though

So ;(

[sick sentinel]

poggers

heroic strike

[lusty grotto]

Our lord and savior

Sir Heroic Strike

[sick sentinel]

queueing heroic strike before pulling just for free extra rage

pog!

I might play classic

but definitely not as a warrior

[rocky tiger]

Nah, charge the critter before the boss for free rage

Bonus points for white hit critters between trash to prevent OOC rage decay

[uneven mason]

taunt a critter

you have no AE

so you'll maintain combat

100% time

no rage loss between packs

professional level warrior

[rocky tiger]

^ I bow to you sir

[sick sentinel]

bonus points for spamming battle shout mid combat for threat

but that was rotational

[uneven mason]

Demo shout and Bloodrage

[sick sentinel]

so just regular points

[uneven mason]

since resource generation produced aggro

[sick sentinel]

fuck vanilla

[uneven mason]

I could pull mobs through walls with bloodrage

because they'd tack on to me entering combat and generating rage

+++

[rocky tiger]

Get your stance dance macros on

[lusty grotto]

yeah fuck vanilla

🤝 @sick sentinel

not dancing that same ole song again

unless if... and only if... i'm severely bored of anything and literally anything else

i would take sitting in a waiting room for a doctor's appointment over it

[sick sentinel]

i might still

tbh

but

i'd be way happier with like

vanilla through modern lens

u know

leveling that didnt take 30 years

actual boss mechs

you can keep the attunement grind or whatever

but make it feel good to play pls