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yusss
i'm over spending rage like crazy now
lol this feels like FFXIV
CSHB?
Chicken Shit on a Horses Balls
that does sound pretty dope
assuming its just tied to season
@daring marlin the actual invasion gives 385 right
probably not until new raid unlocks? no idea
shieeeet
@sick sentinel Island Invasions reward 370 asserite. Battle for Darkshore gives a 385 upon completion.
You probably have access to the world boss
ah so no 385 piece for you yet!
I mean
for fury
it has cshb
oh man
I have two 390 pieces with it
so I was using that +vectis chest in a M+
felt fucking AMAZING
youre my least favorite person
i love you too
take solace in the fact that the pieces were absolute poopoo before cuz BC
i want MORE
hopefully you get credit :x
anyone know what the "chance to backfire" on the new engineering brez means? just that theres a chance it wont work?
anyone using Elvui having issues with nameplates?
@buoyant inlet yeah and it will dmg to you i think
did you update elvui?
i did
dunno i have no issues with nameplates
update fixed it for me
but my brother is having problems with self frame with class colors
ok i'll try again
soo is prot viable now??
Ni
warrior dead class
no we need more buffs, now return from whence you came and spread the word
VIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Go back to peak of serenity/archerus and the forums and tell them we said it's bad
wtf oO
We aren't fotm and we prefer it
my main is warrior arms..lol wtf...i just want to know how`s prot? cause i like to tank as warrior
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We're fine @mossy acorn
@prorps just meming
380 vial or 365 jes?
its pretty decent
vial all the way
380
taht shit is amazing
Esp now
vial is pretty dank
your IPs are super phat with vial popped
i still have fathomns
With the buff too vanguard its a good boy
@mossy acorn toss on a shield and go get em tiger, prot feels amazing now
2nd one
fathoms and vial
awesome friends thank you!
double on-use is ew
Picked up a 380 jes from chest :x
@fierce juniper you say the new trait is a hit or miss what about it makes it a hit or miss trait? Cause of the effect of it or the fact itās tied to avatar
should be baller in M+
thunderclap feels slower for some reason, maybe cuz gcd are free from IP
@steel mauve Yeah I think the reason they added both the 385 and 355 version of the same trinket is cuz the tidalcores don't even drop yet
@outer dew
Thoughts on this new Azerite trait Apothercary's Concoctions?
good? bad? amazing? godly?
What's that?
Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal 2,814 plague damage over 6 sec and your healing abilities have a chance to restore 5382 health over 6 seconds. These effects are increased by up to 100% based on the target's missing health.
does IP fall under healing abilities since it is an absorb but appears as healing done?
its classified as an absorb
hey - what are some BiS trinket options for prot after 8.1?
i pretty much have them all at the moment
Trinkets havent been changed so the same as before
bom dc + archive or bom dc bloodposrt
for m+
blood sport is higher ilvl + azerite veins so i feel thats the answer
pROT FEELS SOOOO GOODO
SO GUYS whats the verdict?
I didn't get credit for the warfront
@timid delta
OK BOYS
DON'T /AFK IN WARFRONT IF YOU'RE DEAD
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO REZ LOL
Cooking
Battle for Azeroth flasks and feasts now increase the primary stat for tanks (was Stamina).
Ty
so you guys are all happy eh?
IP off gcd feels amazing but DC nerf feels pretty bad
hard to tell tho cuz a bunch of dungeons are bugged as fuck
as is tradition
That's a big oof.
@crystal night, there are new logs for this patch, its not underpopulation
its that people havent actually submitted logs for it
3/8 baby!
so you ARE raiding
@sand egret could be worse bud
that did a key higher than +15 last week
COULD HAVE THE QUEST AND NOT GET CREDIT
AHHHH
@sick sentinel talic is tanking M uldir
lul
yeah
he's tanking for the next few weeks
i know
i get it
talic is better than me at everything
he already rubs it in
you dont have to
so... what were the previous best trinkets?
i have xalzaix's veiled eye, rezan's gleeming eye, syringe of bloodborne infirmity
ghuun trinket, the bandage one, disc of systemic regression
can you repeat the world boss with seals?
cause i got the trinket on hpal but i think the ret version is better
yup it has bfi
and @crystal night anything that had Reinforce Plating now has BoM, so that should be no surprise š
Well, my cache is kind of an upgrade this week :/
Same exact belt, but with a socket
ok so can i get 100% clarification that the DC nerf is in? because it's not on patch notes and it's not listed as an "undocumented change" by anyone
ok reading upwards looks like it is in, feelsbadman
āMOTHER trash can no longer be skipped.ā
Itās been a good run
what is the Manditory prot tanking azerite trait?
or can i just roll with LM & AOTT
No longer mandatory
oh?
DC is still worth a fuck ton of ilvls
ah, my xal trinket is 370, syringe is 390, rezan 380
yeah just run syringe rezan
@lusty grotto LOL
@lusty grotto True, that trait was never used unless it was jsut ur highest ilvl azerite peice
it was among the best ones, but certainly not the best of the best
between BoM and RP?
No
its not the same icon though
BoM and bfi
oh
Because I promise you the world boss drops bom
if you have to choose between them it depends if you can survive content
So 2x BoM might be juicy
and BFI just flat out wins in raid settings
I saw the helm drop and it has bom
so BoM is very situational
But you play around large pulls and kiting for m+
But it doesn't on wowhead
yeah might be bugged in wowhead
trinket was also showing with the wrong stats in the tooltip
The helm dropped doesn't have 2 tiers
This could be why
Actually
Wowhead doesn't even have bom
Got a titanforged shield from killing rare in Darkshore.... i thought they were not suppoied to TF?
What ilvl are the items from Darkshore?
shields shouldnt be able to TF or WF
they made that change a few months ago, off hands for mages/locks and the like cant so they made shields unable to as well
Got a 380 shield from a 10+
SHield could WF i knew that but they got rid of the TF
So they can at least wf for sure
that's odd
you're sure its TF?
And Im galking inside the dungeon, not the weekly chest
its 380 from a darkshore rare š
does BoM really not give enough mastery to be better than BFI
that is truly tragic
worse defensively in keys too though? find that hard to believe
Yeah as i sad mine just wf 10
My taloc mace only warforged 5
F
Maybe, but it happened.
Oh, I am.
are there like 10 people working on this fucking game right now jesus
i mean shit like that is supposed to be reported in PTR by people testing
Did that shield come from the world boss ?
No, warfront
but it's hard to say how it goes when changes are time delayed
The quest or a regular one ?
The quest
Silly question, tidalcores now or Jan 22?
jan 22
Damn thats such a tease
@lusty grotto I spent most of this time trying to figure out how they got in the war front
Haha, no worries, and yeah, not horde.
Damn nice way to start 8.1
yeah, kinda excited.
Go laugh at fort teeming
lol
So howās everyoneās 8.1 experience going with prot?
i hit some quest mob for 126k with a shield slam
probably a bug but shrug
(or intended)
I pulled an entire Island Expedition and AoE'd the hell out of 'em
anyone else have their elvui acting goofy? lol
like the health bars when people are dipping
was fine until I updated loil
mines different colors depending on how much hp every thing has now, its really annoying
Guys dumb question of the day. Are the 8.1 changes enough to bring Warrior back to a somewhat even state with other top tier tanks?
We are the top tier now bro - they can come chase us
Don't let the stigma fool you. Nobody can mitigate like we can.
prot bros, should we be stacking anything or going for a varied of the best traits?
I am the main tank for my guild and im considering swapping from Blood DK to Warrior for both fun factor and nerfbat issues. š©
@jolly wasp we were already ahead of pretty much every tank except for DK and monk in 8.0.1
3/5 ain't bad
@hidden trout if youāre asking for just traits, your BiS will Be 1xDC and 2xBFI in most situations
Thank you
On it fo sho
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I am really liking the new intimidating shout and avatar traits in M+
mostly the IS trait. Looks beast for giving us more utility in higher keys
Iād assume itās also fairly nice at dealing with larger pulls where you might need to mitigate some extra damage
Or when thereās damage you wouldnāt otherwise be able to mitigate
yeah so you can beastmode pull, chain your CD's and if they run out pop IS and run
I wonder if you can use it on a boss lmao
Cuz itās supposed to grant an absorb right?
nah it reduces their damage done with their next attack after IS wears off
That would be an interesting thing to test
basically the same thing
Iād be very interested in if that part actually affected bosses
Where is yamo
for sure. I like new toys. Testing is fuuuuuun
Completely off topic but Iām liking the new discord app update for mobile
@chilly brook iOS?
Yes
i jsut saw it but on work PC. Haven't tried it but ill look now
Anytime youāre tagged thereās now a small pop up that displays part of the message up top like youāre getting a text
Can tap it and it goes to it
Ye rip
Itās good to be home
alchemy trinket any good?
the
shit this guild links to me
LMAO
just links me to a booby streamer
@chilly brook those are a huge cheese crisp
Itās a double cheeseburger lol
That from squeeze burger?
anyone knows the name of the rare mob that drop the fancy shield in darkshore
It's any rare, no?
Anybody fuck around with bastion of might yet? Gonna try double stacking it in lower keys for kicks
@tiny bobcat yea it is
Nice dude. Got the same burger from the airport when I was in Norcal for a bit.
Itās not too bad, the actual restaurant is better though
They have chicken tacos which are basically a full chicken breast in the taco with the cheese skirt
Good evening prot brethren; I missed you all. I'm back again.
hows 8.1 feeling
its been a few hours
so don't know what to tell you
same thing we told people that asked about 8.1
Least engi isn't entirely useless. Plus 385 goggles now and a brez item. Haven't tested it yet though.
what best traits for warrior tank now?
Anyone having issues with weakauras?
Hey, gang! I managed to take 3 shatters in a heroic Zek'voz.
Intercepted 2 in a row, like an idiot/genius.
Man the Dwarf heritage armour is dope
Just got out of surgery broke my left hand and have 4 pins in it. Think tanking will be too tough to adjust with just one hand ?
yep it will not be as easy as fapping š
shit man good luck thou that sucks
you will still be better then 50% of the dk's out there with you only using 1 hand thou š
I got a question about the new patch and prot warrior
Since when did Prot get strength from the bountiful feasts?
Since back at the start of bfa, we used the alchemist stone, do we still use that? I'm asking since I have the opportunity to craft either the 385 one, that gives 176 vers, or the new 355 trinket (both give a random proc on damage taken/healing for str + the added bonus of extra healing from pots)
And I don't have any actual trinkets that would work for prot, besides blockades and rezan's gleaming eye
was just thinking the same about the trinkets
maybe the hotfixed it Rekfar, i was last night still switching to arms for strength
Itās a new change
Hrm... Got a piece of BfI, and a piece of IF. Both only 360. Which should I toss a 370 token at?
Did a +10 last night so i got some of that residium to spare
i would save for new content, thats what im gonna do not use it on current gear
does it beat buying a 400 ilvl piece?
@minor fox ill proly go for the 385 trinket and hope for good procs on it š
We wont be able to buy a 400 piece until the 22nd. Although, do we know how much residium we get per each chunked azerite piece?
and if you save you can maybe buy 2 š
dont think its confirmed how much you get tbh
@timber vault I think I've seen a graph somewhere
I got 60 from my +10 chest, which tbh feels a little low
But it was mostly speculation
yeah think 370 scrapped gave like 20 or something
still have emmisary maybe its bad and i can scrap it when i get home
@timber vault that's the amounts
ya same
I don't really need anything desperately
unless it's something for tanking, since I've been playing fury only since the start
If prot turns out well in this patch I'll most likely turn back to tanking, since prot warrior is the only tank spec that I've enjoyed playing
same our guild is mostly dead cause people away just few guys still doing m+ so not worth wasting that on 385's now
Ended up taking the risk on it. If it bites me in the ass later, so be it
got a deafening crash piece tho
wow thats good cause from what i heard its still S-Tier
I have some azerite saved up in my bags for prot, but some of it is 375 sadly
the only good azerite piece I got for prot is the helmet from mother mythic
5th week in a row i got belt from the chest...atleast this time is 395 with haste/mastery
wow thats nice
I got 385 haste mastery boots from the darkshore warfront quest
@tall pagoda Just play Havoc for now š
so did anyone already did some raid/m+ after the patch ?
@gray wolf whats trash about it
tfw you log and have 10k more HP
Hmm i gott exalted on one char with champion but i dont have exalted on my warrior? Anyone can tell me why? Or did i missunderstand the patch note.
Misunderstood
@ember arrow got a 390 haste/mast
you should have the quests from Magni to boost your neck , not the rep
that's what's trash about it
Oh ok! thanks mate.
I just realized @strong shoal I can't craft that trinket yet, since it needs tidalcores, which you can only get in season 2
hahha , didint notice it š gues ill try it around the end of january š good that i got a 385 trinket from the wboss in darkshore then š
would you recommend 1 brace and 1 iron or 2 brace
i like iron more but thats just my preference
I'll go 1 IF an 1 brace. I'll also get double resounding protection
I feel like going 1 resounding and 1 intimidating instead of 2 resounding. just to try it out
nobody knows how it will turn out
i just cant build rage in this p+9KR at all
what is the consensus on Emblazoned Alchemist Stone (https://wowhead.com/item=166976)
is it a solid trinket?
Gz!
385 brace for impact or 375 archive š¤
so how's prot looking in m+ so far in 8.1?
What traits are you guys running for raids and m+
2x archive , 1x dc
for raid?
i run archive, BFI, DC
So the vectis bug hurts, alot
thats the optimal setup
ok fuck me this is a joke
excuse the NSFW language
from first world boss
this from second lol
i got the Knot also
ditch archive outside of raid
dont know about the other one yet ill have to look to be able to comment lol
oh wait im retarded
yeah all day dude
i'd only use the 375 in raid
the extra stats now with 10 stacks are worth ALOT
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omg Levko is back
bliz will just revert back to how things used to be and we are supposed to clap
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#MakeIPgreatagain
@dark lark what do you mean about that I feel like a low level brewmaster now ?
I can't tell if my DPS is like 2k higher on average this week because it's fortified and we spend more time on trash or if Knot of the Ancient Fury is crazy
Maybe a little bit of both
well you aren't spending GCD's on IP anymore which means you are DPSing all of the time
so its a Pseudo buff to our DPS giving us more GCD's to spend on damaging abilities
Yeah, still a 2k increase across a dungeon seems crazy to me
New world boss is worth the coin?
i think so
The helmet and trinket are probably worth a shot
i jsut save a coin for vectis lol
Well the helmet is worth it for me since I don't have a galea yet
I'm a big fan of the trinket because of how well it lines up with avatar, most of the time
you could just macro it into avatar. Also have a sep binding for when it's off differently
I macro my Mag Orc racial with Jes Howler both 2 mins š both give stat boosts.
It's usually about 5-10 seconds behind avatar depending on how much rage you're spending
yeah tru
i more like the 395 lvl of strength it gives lol
well mine is 395 so it's an easy choice
Does alliance get guaranteed 385 from warfront?
Yup
But its not guaranteed loot š¤·
but less effort which is nice
Where can you see the azerite from new warfront and what traits it has
wat
oh no why is my elvui broken
@oblique garnet did you update it?
@hollow thorn where is that list from?
Did u backup wtf folder?
Saw it posted here, and it looked like it was giving the same numbers as people were reporting
kk
they moved files from where it was to new location
so think that fucked out ur elvui
were you using shadow and light addon also?
no
think that stores ur profile
nah like the profiles and such are fine
but some features such as the guilds and communities are broken
ah
I redownloaded it and merged/replaced the old folder and restarted my game
Seemed to fix it
ye that did the trick
@fierce juniper Not sure if intended but the block tracker doesnt show time remaining anymore
anyone got problems with the premade group finder ? It's loading all the time and shows nothing
Is Overwhelming Power worth it as prot, or would I be better off with Winds of War?
Winds of war is generally better
And... I know it says in the pins, but just to confirm, the absorb on burth the hatchet does stack?
Whats up boys and girls. How do the new changes work out? I havent done any dungeons yet
they feel real good
Well i guess never had an issue where i didnt feel tanky tho
Ran a dungeon with 2 boomies
It definitely feels smooth
Pretty much didnt have to tank at all, to many treants
I swear, every day new people show up put of nowhere
Fotm effect /s
Is that directed to me?
I fucking nuted when i see all those stupid ass ranged attack have (xxxx blocked) in it
To get that 80 currency i guess
Currency doesnt cap afaik
i got 89 from doing 18
It goes up by like 4 until 15, then up by 3 until 20 and then up by 2 from then
but this is a good week to push anyways
Yeah, gonna get a 17 in weekly which is nice
are ttrash packs eze peze?
Were you not supposed to get "complete +10 on time" achievement today already? I doubled checked and Ive done all dungeons on time and several above +10s even
I got it atleast
I got it today
Where does it show
in achi list
Ok
I should get the +15 one when i log in which is nice
No I haven't gotten it. My raider.io profile says I've completed them all +10s on time.
gg š
can u link it?
Thats weird
Try relogging
I got +10k hp and almost 1k armor. Love these buffs
shield block cd is only 14 out of a fight
10 secs babyy
how much ilvl gemslot worth?
why is it worth nothing on shield lol
@oblique garnet out of a fight?
because the block it gives trample any stats
or under of procs?
Also for ring, is it ilvl > haste?
@pallid hollow oh duh, thanks
Hey is prot good for m+ now? and what are the traits you use?
shield block recharge reduction, IP off GCD, shield block now blocking ranged physical attacks
I'd say they moved up in the world (of warcraft)
@rich silo
1 item with Deafening Crash
1 item with Bastion of Might
for Uldir 1 item to activate Reorigination Array
Deafening crash is on the craftable engineering Google as far as I know
Yeah, outside of raid, you have a "free" slot. I'd probably recommend another BoM, but BfI, IF, even Bloodsport are decent. For dps you can also go for Rezan's Fury or Tidal Surge
last part of waycrest manor is bugged btw
Cant kill the last adds at all they just reset and evade
@rich silo for m+ you want either brace for impact or iron fortress, with the first being better in tyrannical and the latter in fortified
For your third trait that is
ok thanks š
id say for m+ you want currently 2x BoM and 1x DC
I think it's a very strong trait assuming Anger Management, especially the first copy (that gives you free IP every ~50 seconds on top of the mastery).
I'm not sure why Marok ranked it low.
He did the ranking for raids and purely defensive
Possibly some early estimates, or maybe I messed my napkin math up š
afaik
Why is BoM that strong after the First one ? Is that bit of mastery that strong ?
Well basically you get free 1k mastery with avatar
Ping marok and ask him 
since we are able to block projectiles now, think that mastery gonna move a little up in stat prio
unless crit block doesnt block proj?
It does
good thing its forti this week, gonna test the sh1t out of it
I had a look at the traits yesterday (ilvl 400) and came up with this, but it's all napkin math and it's possible I made some bad assumptions or mistakes: ```DPS ranking
*. DC (1st copy)
- BoM
- DC
- BfI (ST)/IF (AoE)
- CR
- Bloodsport (0)
Defensive ranking
*. DC (1st copy)
*. BoM (1st copy)
- BfI/Bloodsport
- BoM/IF
- CR
- DC```
Anyone know if apothecary concotions trait is any good? Cant see it mentioned in the guides
@junior igloo You basically came to the same conclusion as i did which is why im confused about maroks rankings
So I have a dc on a 375 shoulder and on 375 chest and I was currently wearing the chest so I can have 390 shoulders with bfi
But I also have a 390 chest with BoM
So it comes down to middle and inner rings
Afternoon all, after some honest feedback on 8.1 so far, thinking of dusting the warrior off, however how are they performing in mythic plus since 8.1? still early days I know š
The changes are nice but we're not gonna be much higher in tank rank for m+. Itd be pretty hard to break top 3 though in m+
does BoM work for arms talent avatar? i mean the +mastery ?
Reckless Flurry the Fury trait work for Arms so i would assume BoM works for Arms
Isn't mastery bad for arms?
its deep wound dmg
its not good in pve i guess... i'm just wondering what 3xBoM would do with the bleeds during avatar
in pvp
just curious... i dont think this would work out tho^^
Lol do you really get ignore pain
yes
LOL WHAT
i got a 32k absorb
Lol....
...
sounds powerful for pvp
i mean... mastery during avatar is fine, i think they will fix ignore pain working for arms tho
BoM is reduced by 50 % in PvP though
hm i ll take a look at it later when im home
1, 375
with mastery trinket + 3xBoM (+ignore pain) maybe bleed dmg + maybe rend or something might do some serious pressure (talking about pvp) ... or maybe it does not ^^
You should probably move it to #223972896219856896 or #arms
Do u think I can solo a +0
what are the best traits for prot offesnively and defensive
@sick sentinel you can solo +2 and maybe even do it on time aswell
@gentle jay
that's pog
@gentle jay Offensively 2x BoM 1x DC for m+
When new raid comes 3x BoM 3x DC becomes a reality and does insane damage
ty 2 bom and 1 dc for m plus got it
@oblique garnet Does the time extend past 6s with multiple DC?
and its that good?
so
do u boys think that new 900 crit trinket is > syringe
for burst
700 crit
I think it is
Agent yes its good
What makes the BoM so good? Isnt the mastery buff just active during Avatar, so 20sec on a 90sec cd? I feel that the warrior is very cd reliant, so picking traits that reduce incoming damage in general, not just in short periods of time would be more useful?
Well avatar basically has 50 sec or so cd
so you get so much benefit out of it
with AM
20sec on a 90sec cd -> Anger management pushes it down to ~40-50s... so basicly every pull
Yeah, AM+haste stacking is the prot build
Also, you get up to 15% "free" haste from 1st talent row
WAIT does this mean that gathering storm works with ravager talented?
Painful
370 crit/mast boots š
How does the IP activation from BoM stack? If you have 2xBoM, do you get 1 IP worth of shield, 1.3 IP or 2 IP?
it's just 1
:(
Surprised they donāt teleport you to them
Wtf place is that even. š
Who even does that pack o.o
Je, ofc. Was just curious as i don't think i've ever seen anyone do that one so wasn't sure how you even got to that point. š
When new raid comes 3x BoM 3x DC becomes a reality and does insane damage
Do we get to have 2 1st ring traits per piece?
That's the idea
Well almost
Not sure how long the 2nd trait takes to unlock
1 ring is class specific only
Other is class + content specific
@urban walrus what do you mean?
What neck level
I mean like right now, didn't want to say oh yeah it's easy to get the 2nd one
Sorry I'm on my lunch at work :(
Well that's a joke then ezpz
So yeah, don't worry to much lmao
Not really
Next tier is out in 6 weeks
You can get 30-38 in the first week of heroic
Well
How
Do islands and your emissary daily
And you'll get like 1-2 per week
Per day
Im aiming for 42-43
So I guess the engineering googles are going to be less amazing that what I expected
Depends what you think of as less amazing
Are the engineering traits good enough to compete with not BiS traits
I mean, they are probably not oing to be BiS.
Bt guaranteed DC is still good, so how does the 2nd row trait fare compared to other options
Traits don't TF
No but u can get random piece from chest
Higher azerite than what u got
Imagine gearing up making sense
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Relational Normalization Gizmo and Auto-Self-Cauterizer could be very strong i assume @old zephyr and the thing is.. they can be crafted as 415 in 8.1
You can check the guide that marok has in the pins and see where the eng traits rank at for us
RN I have a piece with both IV from inner and veins(Both considered BiS for us) from middle but I dont use them because I don't get to see it's use compared to RP/GR but that also has to do with me just doing M+ as my main focus
is running vengeance plausible now?
no
There is no mention of the outer tiers and Ilvl of google is stated to be fixed at 340 so I assumed It was not up to date
BoM?
Bastion?
I'd say, no more than any other primary trait
less than DC, BFI, IF, BS
DC is still probably worth at least 25~ (2 tiers) if you're using DS properly
Bastion endsup being quite stong on big big pulls
but
its not going to beat the others.
is servant splitter - 380 good for tanking or better take 375 with haste/mastery? https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=4777:1482
I think it's run mainly due to easy item level and/or laziness, it had more offensive value over defensive value I think
Just my opinion
hes got a * next to BoM in his list, is he saying that its mandatory?
or just a really good trait?
@junior igloo
Its weaker than the others
for survivability (and damage) outside of big pulls
In larger pulls, the mastery defensively and offensively count for more
but it is on average a weaker trait than BFI
or IF
which both provide a solid boost in both
and DC is just leagues ahead
would you say DC is about 15 ilevels now?
Yes
15-30'sh
Rip the 45 ilvl dream
@astral crystal thinks he's special because he found me
@drowsy relic
Not sure if mandatory is the best word, but yeah, I'd strongly recommend getting the 1 copy of DC and BoM
we touched tips briefly
Tell me@more
So Trait Strength order is the same in 8.1 ?
Icy veins updated and still says the exact same thing
@junior igloo Is BoM the strong reccomendation for M+ or for raiding in general, I suppose it turns another GCD into a defensive value and increases the RPS of avatar by a considerable amount, but won't BFI have a stronger impact over the course of a fight?
thinking BoM gains on big pulls, but I agree BFI would be stronger in most fights.
I got this with my napkin math: ```DPS ranking
- DC (1st copy)
- BoM
- DC
- BfI (ST)/IF (AoE)
- CR
- Bloodsport (0)
Defensive ranking
- DC (1st copy)
- BoM (1st copy)
- BfI/Bloodsport
- BoM/IF
- CR
- DC```The first copy of the star traits gives additional value that makes it significantly above the rest.
@primal crypt lookin snazzy in that new pfp :)
pfp?
Sorry guys, am going to ask the noob question. With traits like DC/BoM/etc being valued so high, should you take them over things like Archive of Titans? Or make sure you have 1 rank of Archive, then follow the preferred list?
not inside Uldir
If you're doing Uldir I'd still get 1 rank of an Uldir, if not no.
So outside of Uldir content, do not take Archive/LM. Gotcha, thank you!
morning
Before the outer row is added, then In Uldir: Archive+BoM+DC is bis.
BOI/blood sport vs DC, is that about 15 ilevel difference?
Are the kill 20 things quests in Arathi gone? Just the world quests now?
what's BOI?
BFI?
yeah i figured it was a misstype, not sure if BFI or BoM
With the trait listing above, how many ilvl's are they generally worth? Is it worth taking a 355 DC piece over a 370 BfI?
no
Yeah, I'd take the first copy of DC/BoM/RA over 15 ilvl
Me too
i wouldn't
I wouldn't value BOM over 15
DC is still probably 1 tier worth
but none of the others are going to push much
Now, BoM does get stronger in M+
so depending on your pulling style
It might push over 15 if you tend todo large pulls
Generally traits are ranked in reliability (crit is our strongest stat in survivability, but it does 0 for EHP, since parry is unreliable)
So the mstery boost for survivability since its a RNG boost
is "weaker"
but for damage its pretty strong
365 and 355 respectively
No only meme
get more AV/IV
I only have 1xIV
can prob solo M0 as fury
Yeah
I don't know if it's gear/defensive traits or if I'm simply not good enough at prot yet
Know whats best tho
having the #2 geared person in my guild brag about how they got a 390, and "will catch mac this raid"
i'm not conviced DC is still valued so high, 15 ilvls are 56 Armor, 71 STR, 142 Stam
so I get 395 bracers offa Taloc +++
on chest
6 seconds of 50% dr though
oh weep
I did a number
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I didn't know what the number was
But I took a leap of faith
But unfortunately I didn't have a hay filled wheelbarrow
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you can google on phones now, didn't you know?
Warrior is 400IQ spec
Yeah but if I Google it
Someone else might have already said it
On pc I can just do it on my second monitor
Chat moves fast now that prot is the best spec in the game
I'm not ruining anything anyway
I saw someone link a āknotā trinket. Whatās that drop from? Some new World Boss? Couldnāt play much yesterday
totally ruining it
20% dr for 6 seconds still a big deal
Ivus in darkshore
Ohhh interesting.
Cool. Would be a welcome upgrade to the 370 Lions Crit use trinket from doom howl
Well it lines up almost perfectly with avatar through anger managenent
BoM
Nice
I don't remember the secondaries but they weren't exceptionally good
Might have been Gutripper
I have 2x bloodsport at 390 with some 360 DC shoulders. Going to live the meme unless I get something special to drop for me after work.
