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daring marlin
sand egret
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yusss

inland mesa
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i'm over spending rage like crazy now

sick sentinel
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just save enough for shield block

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and then there's no such thing

sand egret
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lol this feels like FFXIV

daring marlin
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holy fuck

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CSHB is amazing in M+

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I love this

elder tusk
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CSHB?

sick sentinel
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Chicken Shit on a Horses Balls

elder tusk
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that does sound pretty dope

sick sentinel
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darkshore drops 340 btw

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lul

elder tusk
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assuming its just tied to season

dense pivot
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yeah

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100%

sick sentinel
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@daring marlin the actual invasion gives 385 right

dense pivot
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probably not until new raid unlocks? no idea

sick sentinel
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he got a 395

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from a warforge

dense pivot
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shieeeet

daring marlin
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@sick sentinel Island Invasions reward 370 asserite. Battle for Darkshore gives a 385 upon completion.

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You probably have access to the world boss

sick sentinel
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i do

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i got a 390 crit trinket

daring marlin
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ah so no 385 piece for you yet!

sick sentinel
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no

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just shitty trinket

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when the azerite would be like

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bis

daring marlin
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I mean

sick sentinel
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for fury

daring marlin
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It's not guaranteed asserite

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I got a 395 cloak on my warrior

sick sentinel
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no

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world boss azerite

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would be bis

daring marlin
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oh

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my bad

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whoops

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I'll look

sick sentinel
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it has cshb

daring marlin
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oh man

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I have two 390 pieces with it

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so I was using that +vectis chest in a M+

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felt fucking AMAZING

sick sentinel
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youre my least favorite person

daring marlin
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that's ok

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I love you

sick sentinel
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i love you too

daring marlin
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take solace in the fact that the pieces were absolute poopoo before cuz BC

sick sentinel
daring marlin
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doing the warfront again on my lock this time

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I wanna die

timid delta
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hopefully you get credit :x

buoyant inlet
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anyone know what the "chance to backfire" on the new engineering brez means? just that theres a chance it wont work?

grand trellis
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anyone using Elvui having issues with nameplates?

daring marlin
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I don't use elvui nameplates so naw

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sorry bruh

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my elvui is acting wonky though

sweet kettle
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@buoyant inlet yeah and it will dmg to you i think

lusty grotto
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did you update elvui?

grand trellis
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i did

lusty grotto
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dunno i have no issues with nameplates

ember crest
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update fixed it for me

lusty grotto
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but my brother is having problems with self frame with class colors

grand trellis
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ok i'll try again

mossy acorn
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soo is prot viable now??

sick sentinel
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Ni

daring marlin
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no

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viable

elder tusk
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warrior dead class

ember crest
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no we need more buffs, now return from whence you came and spread the word

daring marlin
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VIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!

sick sentinel
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Go back to peak of serenity/archerus and the forums and tell them we said it's bad

mossy acorn
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wtf oO

sick sentinel
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We aren't fotm and we prefer it

daring marlin
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tell them only

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that prot warrior is dead

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and that sense died with them

mossy acorn
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my main is warrior arms..lol wtf...i just want to know how`s prot? cause i like to tank as warrior

shut summit
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šŸ™„

daring marlin
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bad meme?

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rip

shut summit
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We're fine @mossy acorn

elder tusk
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@prorps just meming

quiet relic
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380 vial or 365 jes?

elder tusk
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its pretty decent

daring marlin
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vial all the way

sick sentinel
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380

daring marlin
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taht shit is amazing

sick sentinel
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Esp now

ember crest
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vial is pretty dank

daring marlin
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your IPs are super phat with vial popped

quiet relic
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i still have fathomns

sick sentinel
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With the buff too vanguard its a good boy

daring marlin
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@mossy acorn toss on a shield and go get em tiger, prot feels amazing now

quiet relic
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so keep fathoms and vial?

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or jes and vial

sick sentinel
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2nd one

daring marlin
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fathoms and vial

quiet relic
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awesome friends thank you!

daring marlin
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double on-use is ew

timid delta
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Picked up a 380 jes from chest :x

random finch
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@fierce juniper you say the new trait is a hit or miss what about it makes it a hit or miss trait? Cause of the effect of it or the fact it’s tied to avatar

buoyant inlet
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should be baller in M+

inland mesa
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thunderclap feels slower for some reason, maybe cuz gcd are free from IP

sick sentinel
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so

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darkshore patrol

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gives you a dk plate transmog

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like icc t10 transmog

daring marlin
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@steel mauve Yeah I think the reason they added both the 385 and 355 version of the same trinket is cuz the tidalcores don't even drop yet

sick sentinel
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but with updated texture

daring marlin
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my buddy got a hydrocore from a M+

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rekt

soft kindle
outer dew
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ty dad

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aite

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what do i rename myself to

brisk flax
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Thoughts on this new Azerite trait Apothercary's Concoctions?

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good? bad? amazing? godly?

daring marlin
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What's that?

brisk flax
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Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal 2,814 plague damage over 6 sec and your healing abilities have a chance to restore 5382 health over 6 seconds. These effects are increased by up to 100% based on the target's missing health.

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does IP fall under healing abilities since it is an absorb but appears as healing done?

steel mauve
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its classified as an absorb

limpid pawn
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hey - what are some BiS trinket options for prot after 8.1?

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i pretty much have them all at the moment

vocal nimbus
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Trinkets havent been changed so the same as before

primal crypt
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wtf

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azerite pieces not reset

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I have to pay to reset

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y

modern brook
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bom dc + archive or bom dc bloodposrt

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for m+

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blood sport is higher ilvl + azerite veins so i feel thats the answer

chrome falcon
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ilvl for m+

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archive is just stats

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ilvl is moar stats

cinder nova
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pROT FEELS SOOOO GOODO

sour rapids
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Still waiting for the damn patch here in EU

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:<

junior ivy
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SO GUYS whats the verdict?

daring marlin
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I didn't get credit for the warfront

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@timid delta

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qq

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OK BOYS

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DON'T /AFK IN WARFRONT IF YOU'RE DEAD

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YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO REZ LOL

broken kite
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Cooking

Battle for Azeroth flasks and feasts now increase the primary stat for tanks (was Stamina).
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Ty

cinder nova
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@junior ivy My healing tripled.

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If that's any indication

junior ivy
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so you guys are all happy eh?

stiff gate
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IP off gcd feels amazing but DC nerf feels pretty bad

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hard to tell tho cuz a bunch of dungeons are bugged as fuck

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as is tradition

crystal night
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IM A LEGEND RANK 3 HEROIC ZULPARSE

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lol were so underpopulated 😦

sand egret
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oh my god. i did the stupid warfront...and DIDNT get the quest

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son of a

supple path
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That's a big oof.

lusty grotto
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@crystal night, there are new logs for this patch, its not underpopulation

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its that people havent actually submitted logs for it

sand egret
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3/8 baby!

lusty grotto
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so you ARE raiding

sand egret
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no, he's literally 3rd out of 8 logs

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haha you joking me

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aint catching me in a raid

lusty grotto
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dang

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bamboozled

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anyway literally that ranking is for logs submitted today

soft kindle
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Yo

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Who here is NA

daring marlin
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@sand egret could be worse bud

soft kindle
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that did a key higher than +15 last week

daring marlin
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COULD HAVE THE QUEST AND NOT GET CREDIT

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AHHHH

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@sick sentinel talic is tanking M uldir

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lul

sick sentinel
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yeah

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he's tanking for the next few weeks

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i know

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i get it

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talic is better than me at everything

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he already rubs it in

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you dont have to

daring marlin
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wut

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I didn't say that

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cram it nerd

limpid pawn
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so... what were the previous best trinkets?

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i have xalzaix's veiled eye, rezan's gleeming eye, syringe of bloodborne infirmity

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ghuun trinket, the bandage one, disc of systemic regression

chrome falcon
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i mean we don't know what ilvl they are

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but rezan's syringe

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xal's if you dying

crystal night
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NOYS

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BOYS

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I got the Bastion of Might trait from H Ghuun

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the avatar IP one

sick sentinel
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go do darkshore wq

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if horde

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the world boss

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he drops 385 bastion

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on helm

lusty grotto
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can you repeat the world boss with seals?

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cause i got the trinket on hpal but i think the ret version is better

plain ice
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the new warfront boss ivus? he doesn't drop something with BoM

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it has BFI

lusty grotto
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yup it has bfi

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and @crystal night anything that had Reinforce Plating now has BoM, so that should be no surprise šŸ˜›

timber vault
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Well, my cache is kind of an upgrade this week :/

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Same exact belt, but with a socket

chrome falcon
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ok so can i get 100% clarification that the DC nerf is in? because it's not on patch notes and it's not listed as an "undocumented change" by anyone

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ok reading upwards looks like it is in, feelsbadman

neon tangle
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ā€œMOTHER trash can no longer be skipped.ā€
It’s been a good run

hushed ravine
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what is the Manditory prot tanking azerite trait?

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or can i just roll with LM & AOTT

neon tangle
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No longer mandatory

hushed ravine
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oh?

neon tangle
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Still really good, but nerfed with 8.1

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Deafening crash

steel mauve
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DC is still worth a fuck ton of ilvls

limpid pawn
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ah, my xal trinket is 370, syringe is 390, rezan 380

chrome falcon
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yeah just run syringe rezan

crystal night
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@lusty grotto LOL

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@lusty grotto True, that trait was never used unless it was jsut ur highest ilvl azerite peice

lusty grotto
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it was among the best ones, but certainly not the best of the best

sick sentinel
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@lusty grotto what's the difference between them

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Has the same icon

lusty grotto
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between BoM and RP?

sick sentinel
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No

lusty grotto
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its not the same icon though

sick sentinel
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BoM and bfi

lusty grotto
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oh

sick sentinel
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Because I promise you the world boss drops bom

lusty grotto
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defensively BFI is better

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BoM is only good in M+ for dps purposes

outer dew
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Bfi is more consistent with mit

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BoM is strong during avatar window

lusty grotto
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if you have to choose between them it depends if you can survive content

outer dew
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So 2x BoM might be juicy

lusty grotto
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and BFI just flat out wins in raid settings

sick sentinel
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I saw the helm drop and it has bom

lusty grotto
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so BoM is very situational

outer dew
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But you play around large pulls and kiting for m+

sick sentinel
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But it doesn't on wowhead

lusty grotto
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wowhead doesn't seem updated

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perhaps

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helm from ivus you mean?

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it has BFI

sick sentinel
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Yes

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I saw it though :(

lusty grotto
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yeah might be bugged in wowhead

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trinket was also showing with the wrong stats in the tooltip

sick sentinel
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The helm dropped doesn't have 2 tiers

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This could be why

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Actually

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Wowhead doesn't even have bom

lusty grotto
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yup

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wowhead isn't updated

sick sentinel
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So yeah

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Ivus helm is BoM 385

clear sapphire
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Got a titanforged shield from killing rare in Darkshore.... i thought they were not suppoied to TF?

sick sentinel
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Shields can

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Weapons can't

neon tangle
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What ilvl are the items from Darkshore?

sick sentinel
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340 from rares

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370 from scenario

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385 from quest

steel mauve
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shields shouldnt be able to TF or WF

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they made that change a few months ago, off hands for mages/locks and the like cant so they made shields unable to as well

swift bay
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Got a 380 shield from a 10+

clear sapphire
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SHield could WF i knew that but they got rid of the TF

swift bay
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So they can at least wf for sure

lusty grotto
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that's odd

neon tangle
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I mean weapons do too

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Warforge

lusty grotto
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you're sure its TF?

swift bay
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And Im galking inside the dungeon, not the weekly chest

clear sapphire
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its 380 from a darkshore rare šŸ˜›

swift bay
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Talking +

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Mine was from motherlode +11

lusty grotto
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hmm

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i cant find the stupid heritage armor quest

chrome falcon
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does BoM really not give enough mastery to be better than BFI

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that is truly tragic

lusty grotto
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it's not worth over BFI on a raid setting

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that's what i said

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on a raid setting

chrome falcon
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worse defensively in keys too though? find that hard to believe

primal aurora
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Warforged up to +10 ilvl

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+11 drops 370 so warforged to max 380

swift bay
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Yeah as i sad mine just wf 10

neon tangle
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My taloc mace only warforged 5
F

ivory path
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That warforged to 395.

neon tangle
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Jesus

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Really took the wind out of my humble brag

lusty grotto
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might be bugged

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it seems like a bug to be sure

ivory path
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Maybe, but it happened.

lusty grotto
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it's up to season 2 ilvls

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keep your old shield just in case

ivory path
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Oh, I am.

chrome falcon
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are there like 10 people working on this fucking game right now jesus

lusty grotto
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i mean shit like that is supposed to be reported in PTR by people testing

neon tangle
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Did that shield come from the world boss ?

ivory path
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No, warfront

lusty grotto
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but it's hard to say how it goes when changes are time delayed

neon tangle
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The quest or a regular one ?

ivory path
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The quest

neon tangle
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If first quest, and they drop 385

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You’re just really lucky

timid delta
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Silly question, tidalcores now or Jan 22?

steel mauve
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jan 22

timid delta
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Damn thats such a tease

lusty grotto
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yeah that's not a bug then @ivory path

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sorry i assumed you were horde so

sick sentinel
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Shields only ever lost the ability to titanforge

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Same with weapons

neon tangle
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@lusty grotto I spent most of this time trying to figure out how they got in the war front

ivory path
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Haha, no worries, and yeah, not horde.

neon tangle
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Damn nice way to start 8.1

ivory path
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yeah, kinda excited.

neon tangle
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Go laugh at fort teeming

ivory path
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lol

chilly brook
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So how’s everyone’s 8.1 experience going with prot?

lusty grotto
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i hit some quest mob for 126k with a shield slam

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probably a bug but shrug

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(or intended)

solemn ravine
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I pulled an entire Island Expedition and AoE'd the hell out of 'em

daring marlin
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anyone else have their elvui acting goofy? lol

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like the health bars when people are dipping

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was fine until I updated loil

steel mauve
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mines different colors depending on how much hp every thing has now, its really annoying

daring marlin
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yeah

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instead of depleting

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it's stupid

jolly wasp
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Guys dumb question of the day. Are the 8.1 changes enough to bring Warrior back to a somewhat even state with other top tier tanks?

round vortex
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We are the top tier now bro - they can come chase us

ivory path
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Don't let the stigma fool you. Nobody can mitigate like we can.

hidden trout
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prot bros, should we be stacking anything or going for a varied of the best traits?

jolly wasp
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I am the main tank for my guild and im considering swapping from Blood DK to Warrior for both fun factor and nerfbat issues. 😩

chilly brook
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@jolly wasp we were already ahead of pretty much every tank except for DK and monk in 8.0.1

sick sentinel
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3/5 ain't bad

chilly brook
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@hidden trout if you’re asking for just traits, your BiS will Be 1xDC and 2xBFI in most situations

hidden trout
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Thank you

chilly brook
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But more detailed information is available in the pins

hidden trout
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On it fo sho

chilly brook
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šŸ‘ŒšŸ»

round vortex
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I am really liking the new intimidating shout and avatar traits in M+

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mostly the IS trait. Looks beast for giving us more utility in higher keys

chilly brook
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I’d assume it’s also fairly nice at dealing with larger pulls where you might need to mitigate some extra damage

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Or when there’s damage you wouldn’t otherwise be able to mitigate

round vortex
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yeah so you can beastmode pull, chain your CD's and if they run out pop IS and run

chilly brook
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I wonder if you can use it on a boss lmao

round vortex
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or leap etc..

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lmao that would be epic Maybe the DR part of it?

chilly brook
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Cuz it’s supposed to grant an absorb right?

round vortex
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nah it reduces their damage done with their next attack after IS wears off

chilly brook
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That would be an interesting thing to test

round vortex
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basically the same thing

chilly brook
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I’d be very interested in if that part actually affected bosses

sick sentinel
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Where is yamo

round vortex
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for sure. I like new toys. Testing is fuuuuuun

chilly brook
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Completely off topic but I’m liking the new discord app update for mobile

sick sentinel
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@chilly brook iOS?

chilly brook
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Yes

round vortex
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i jsut saw it but on work PC. Haven't tried it but ill look now

chilly brook
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Anytime you’re tagged there’s now a small pop up that displays part of the message up top like you’re getting a text

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Can tap it and it goes to it

sick sentinel
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Ye rip

chilly brook
viral axle
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alchemy trinket any good?

outer dew
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the

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shit this guild links to me

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LMAO

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just links me to a booby streamer

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@chilly brook those are a huge cheese crisp

chilly brook
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It’s a double cheeseburger lol

tiny bobcat
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That from squeeze burger?

reef sun
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anyone knows the name of the rare mob that drop the fancy shield in darkshore

dark lark
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It's any rare, no?

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Anybody fuck around with bastion of might yet? Gonna try double stacking it in lower keys for kicks

chilly brook
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@tiny bobcat yea it is

tiny bobcat
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Nice dude. Got the same burger from the airport when I was in Norcal for a bit.

chilly brook
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It’s not too bad, the actual restaurant is better though

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They have chicken tacos which are basically a full chicken breast in the taco with the cheese skirt

warm plinth
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Good evening prot brethren; I missed you all. I'm back again.

charred void
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so, I know people have prob been saying it all night but

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are we back boys?

exotic tiger
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not a single raid piece of azerite plate has gemhide

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rip

charred void
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hows 8.1 feeling

lusty grotto
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its been a few hours

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so don't know what to tell you

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same thing we told people that asked about 8.1

pearl dew
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Least engi isn't entirely useless. Plus 385 goggles now and a brez item. Haven't tested it yet though.

worn elbow
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what best traits for warrior tank now?

burnt egret
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Anyone having issues with weakauras?

prime pasture
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Hey, gang! I managed to take 3 shatters in a heroic Zek'voz.

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Intercepted 2 in a row, like an idiot/genius.

mild maple
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Man the Dwarf heritage armour is dope

tall pagoda
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Just got out of surgery broke my left hand and have 4 pins in it. Think tanking will be too tough to adjust with just one hand ?

manic perch
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yep it will not be as easy as fapping šŸ˜›

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shit man good luck thou that sucks

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you will still be better then 50% of the dk's out there with you only using 1 hand thou šŸ˜›

minor fox
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I got a question about the new patch and prot warrior

timber vault
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Since when did Prot get strength from the bountiful feasts?

minor fox
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Since back at the start of bfa, we used the alchemist stone, do we still use that? I'm asking since I have the opportunity to craft either the 385 one, that gives 176 vers, or the new 355 trinket (both give a random proc on damage taken/healing for str + the added bonus of extra healing from pots)

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And I don't have any actual trinkets that would work for prot, besides blockades and rezan's gleaming eye

strong shoal
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was just thinking the same about the trinkets

manic perch
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maybe the hotfixed it Rekfar, i was last night still switching to arms for strength

narrow abyss
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It’s a new change

minor fox
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I think they put that in cause you have separate food special for stamina

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New recipes

timber vault
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Hrm... Got a piece of BfI, and a piece of IF. Both only 360. Which should I toss a 370 token at?

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Did a +10 last night so i got some of that residium to spare

manic perch
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i would save for new content, thats what im gonna do not use it on current gear

minor fox
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But yeah, anyone have an idea on the question I asked?

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about the alchemist stone

timber vault
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Eh, Samstel. New content is Jan 22nd

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Not a huge loss for me to use it now.

manic perch
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does it beat buying a 400 ilvl piece?

strong shoal
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@minor fox ill proly go for the 385 trinket and hope for good procs on it 😃

minor fox
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Alright, thanks brok

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I'll go craft that trinket now

timber vault
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We wont be able to buy a 400 piece until the 22nd. Although, do we know how much residium we get per each chunked azerite piece?

daring marlin
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735 vers on my warlock

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what the fuck lol

manic perch
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and if you save you can maybe buy 2 šŸ˜›

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dont think its confirmed how much you get tbh

minor fox
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@timber vault I think I've seen a graph somewhere

timber vault
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I got 60 from my +10 chest, which tbh feels a little low

minor fox
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But it was mostly speculation

manic perch
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yeah think 370 scrapped gave like 20 or something

minor fox
manic perch
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still have emmisary maybe its bad and i can scrap it when i get home

minor fox
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@timber vault that's the amounts

manic perch
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ooof 12

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think my game plan is to save up till 22nd and buy some nice shit šŸ˜›

minor fox
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ya same

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I don't really need anything desperately

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unless it's something for tanking, since I've been playing fury only since the start

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If prot turns out well in this patch I'll most likely turn back to tanking, since prot warrior is the only tank spec that I've enjoyed playing

manic perch
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same our guild is mostly dead cause people away just few guys still doing m+ so not worth wasting that on 385's now

minor fox
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I do need a shoulder

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since mine is still from heroic uldir

timber vault
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Ended up taking the risk on it. If it bites me in the ass later, so be it

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got a deafening crash piece tho

manic perch
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wow thats good cause from what i heard its still S-Tier

minor fox
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I have some azerite saved up in my bags for prot, but some of it is 375 sadly

#

the only good azerite piece I got for prot is the helmet from mother mythic

strong shoal
#

5th week in a row i got belt from the chest...atleast this time is 395 with haste/mastery

manic perch
#

wow thats nice

minor fox
#

I got 385 haste mastery boots from the darkshore warfront quest

tight tree
#

@tall pagoda Just play Havoc for now šŸ˜‰

gray wolf
#

380 CRIT VERS

#

WUUU

#

LET'S GO

#

IT'S TRASH

#

šŸ¦ šŸ”«

strong shoal
#

so did anyone already did some raid/m+ after the patch ?

ember arrow
#

@gray wolf whats trash about it

woeful otter
#

tfw you log and have 10k more HP

autumn pendant
#

Lol

#

Must fewl goos

rocky light
#

Hmm i gott exalted on one char with champion but i dont have exalted on my warrior? Anyone can tell me why? Or did i missunderstand the patch note.

dapper sail
#

Misunderstood

gray wolf
#

@ember arrow got a 390 haste/mast

strong shoal
#

you should have the quests from Magni to boost your neck , not the rep

gray wolf
#

that's what's trash about it

rocky light
#

Oh ok! thanks mate.

maiden oxide
#

Is prot broken dmg wise atm?

#

Seeing lots of prot wars in m+ doing insane dps

minor fox
#

I just realized @strong shoal I can't craft that trinket yet, since it needs tidalcores, which you can only get in season 2

strong shoal
#

hahha , didint notice it šŸ˜„ gues ill try it around the end of january šŸ˜„ good that i got a 385 trinket from the wboss in darkshore then šŸ˜›

woeful otter
#

would you recommend 1 brace and 1 iron or 2 brace

manic perch
#

i like iron more but thats just my preference

woeful otter
#

I'll go 1 IF an 1 brace. I'll also get double resounding protection

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I feel like going 1 resounding and 1 intimidating instead of 2 resounding. just to try it out

#

nobody knows how it will turn out

dark lintel
#

i just cant build rage in this p+9KR at all

drowsy relic
#

is it a solid trinket?

round vortex
#

JEESUZ mother of fucken titanforge pog

dapper sail
#

Gz!

dark lark
#

385 brace for impact or 375 archive šŸ¤”

hollow zephyr
#

so how's prot looking in m+ so far in 8.1?

dark lark
#

@hollow zephyr loving it

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i feel like a low level brewmaster now

gray wolf
#

island expeditions aren't desolated anymore either

#

if ur into island expeditions

nocturne herald
#

What traits are you guys running for raids and m+

strong shoal
#

2x archive , 1x dc

nocturne herald
#

for raid?

round vortex
#

i run archive, BFI, DC

next ermine
#

So the vectis bug hurts, alot

round vortex
#

thats the optimal setup

#

ok fuck me this is a joke

#

excuse the NSFW language

#

this from second lol

strong shoal
#

i got the Knot also

dark lark
#

390 BFI (darkshore boss drop) or 375 archive?

#

i dont have any other archive pieces

round vortex
#

ditch archive outside of raid

#

dont know about the other one yet ill have to look to be able to comment lol

gray wolf
#

that one

round vortex
#

oh wait im retarded

#

yeah all day dude

#

i'd only use the 375 in raid

#

the extra stats now with 10 stacks are worth ALOT

ember arrow
#

holy shit

#

prot is actually playable now

#

with ip off gcd

gray wolf
#

šŸ‘

round vortex
#

omg Levko is back

ember arrow
#

bliz will just revert back to how things used to be and we are supposed to clap

zinc creek
#

šŸ‘

gray wolf
#

šŸ‘ you did it blizzard šŸ‘

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you changed ur mind about the changes you made

woeful mist
#

#MakeIPgreatagain

marble cipher
#

@dark lark what do you mean about that I feel like a low level brewmaster now ?

lavish oracle
#

I can't tell if my DPS is like 2k higher on average this week because it's fortified and we spend more time on trash or if Knot of the Ancient Fury is crazy

#

Maybe a little bit of both

primal aurora
#

Thunderous Applause

#

I mean clap

round vortex
#

well you aren't spending GCD's on IP anymore which means you are DPSing all of the time

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so its a Pseudo buff to our DPS giving us more GCD's to spend on damaging abilities

lavish oracle
#

Yeah, still a 2k increase across a dungeon seems crazy to me

wide girder
#

New world boss is worth the coin?

round vortex
#

i think so

lavish oracle
#

The helmet and trinket are probably worth a shot

round vortex
#

i jsut save a coin for vectis lol

lavish oracle
#

Well the helmet is worth it for me since I don't have a galea yet

marble cipher
#

I'm ilvl 352, I'm coining everything!!

#

šŸ˜„

lavish oracle
#

I'm a big fan of the trinket because of how well it lines up with avatar, most of the time

round vortex
#

you could just macro it into avatar. Also have a sep binding for when it's off differently

#

I macro my Mag Orc racial with Jes Howler both 2 mins 😃 both give stat boosts.

lavish oracle
#

It's usually about 5-10 seconds behind avatar depending on how much rage you're spending

round vortex
#

yeah tru

#

i more like the 395 lvl of strength it gives lol

#

well mine is 395 so it's an easy choice

valid needle
#

Not being alliance getting all the free gear right now is...

#

Yeah.

hollow thorn
#

Does alliance get guaranteed 385 from warfront?

valid needle
#

Yup

gray wolf
#

well

#

you have a world boss to do

#

šŸ¤”

hollow thorn
#

But its not guaranteed loot 🤷

#

but less effort which is nice

#

Where can you see the azerite from new warfront and what traits it has

rough egret
#

How much TR did you have in the cache?

#

I somehiw forgot to run m+ Last week

gray wolf
#

84 or smthing

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for a +12 i believe

gray wolf
#

wat

rough egret
#

Thx

#

So you got 68

gray wolf
#

hmm prob

#

ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

#

it's still DC right?

oblique garnet
#

oh no why is my elvui broken

manic perch
#

@oblique garnet did you update it?

marble cipher
#

@hollow thorn where is that list from?

winged sage
#

Did u backup wtf folder?

hollow thorn
#

Saw it posted here, and it looked like it was giving the same numbers as people were reporting

marble cipher
#

kk

oblique garnet
#

No i did not backup my wtf folde

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why

manic perch
#

they moved files from where it was to new location

#

so think that fucked out ur elvui

#

were you using shadow and light addon also?

oblique garnet
#

no

manic perch
#

think that stores ur profile

oblique garnet
#

nah like the profiles and such are fine

#

but some features such as the guilds and communities are broken

manic perch
#

ah

lavish oracle
#

I redownloaded it and merged/replaced the old folder and restarted my game

#

Seemed to fix it

oblique garnet
#

ye that did the trick

oblique garnet
#

@fierce juniper Not sure if intended but the block tracker doesnt show time remaining anymore

sinful bay
#

anyone got problems with the premade group finder ? It's loading all the time and shows nothing

frosty elm
#

Is Overwhelming Power worth it as prot, or would I be better off with Winds of War?

silk mortar
#

Winds of war is generally better

frosty elm
#

And... I know it says in the pins, but just to confirm, the absorb on burth the hatchet does stack?

silk mortar
#

Yes ofc

#

Quite good to have on explosive week ^^

#

Adds up

merry bane
#

Whats up boys and girls. How do the new changes work out? I havent done any dungeons yet

oblique garnet
#

they feel real good

merry bane
#

do you feel tankier

#

and have more survivability?

oblique garnet
#

Well i guess never had an issue where i didnt feel tanky tho

silk mortar
#

Ran a dungeon with 2 boomies

reef fulcrum
#

It definitely feels smooth

silk mortar
#

Pretty much didnt have to tank at all, to many treants

outer dew
#

I swear, every day new people show up put of nowhere

silk mortar
#

Only experience ive had so far ;P

#

You mean here ;O?

tulip pond
#

Fotm effect /s

reef fulcrum
#

Is that directed to me?

oblique garnet
#

tofu i got that juicy 17 temple šŸ˜„

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Ez

silk mortar
#

Or tofu is just bad with names

#

^^

pallid hollow
#

I fucking nuted when i see all those stupid ass ranged attack have (xxxx blocked) in it

wide girder
#

379 prot gear is enough to 15 keys this week?

#

and

#

according to ur feelings

vocal nimbus
#

Yes

#

Why you want 15s specifically

hollow thorn
#

To get that 80 currency i guess

wide girder
#

I meant 15 and around, mb lil higher

#

jsut for selfconfidnce

vocal nimbus
#

Currency doesnt cap afaik

wide girder
#

I think 80 is pretty enough till 22 Jan

#

every week*

oblique garnet
#

i got 89 from doing 18

wide girder
#

86 from 17

#

so 15 is optimal in terms of efforts/time/joy

hollow thorn
#

It goes up by like 4 until 15, then up by 3 until 20 and then up by 2 from then

oblique garnet
#

but this is a good week to push anyways

hollow thorn
#

Yeah, gonna get a 17 in weekly which is nice

wide girder
#

are ttrash packs eze peze?

eager phoenix
#

Were you not supposed to get "complete +10 on time" achievement today already? I doubled checked and Ive done all dungeons on time and several above +10s even

oblique garnet
#

I got it atleast

wide girder
#

I got it today

eager phoenix
#

Where does it show

wide girder
#

in achi list

oblique garnet
#

its on the feast of strenght

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feats*

eager phoenix
#

Ok

hollow thorn
#

I should get the +15 one when i log in which is nice

eager phoenix
#

No I haven't gotten it. My raider.io profile says I've completed them all +10s on time.

#

gg 😃

hollow thorn
#

can u link it?

eager phoenix
hollow thorn
#

Thats weird

oblique garnet
#

Try relogging

eager phoenix
#

Yeah I figured as much!

#

Ill try

wide girder
#

I got +10k hp and almost 1k armor. Love these buffs

#

shield block cd is only 14 out of a fight

oblique garnet
#

10 secs babyy

pallid hollow
#

how much ilvl gemslot worth?

oblique garnet
#

5

#

unless on shield then its worth nothing

#

5-10

dark lark
#

why is it worth nothing on shield lol

wide girder
#

@oblique garnet out of a fight?

pallid hollow
#

because the block it gives trample any stats

wide girder
#

or under of procs?

oblique garnet
#

10 secs in uldir

#

out of fights 12sec

pallid hollow
#

Also for ring, is it ilvl > haste?

dark lark
#

@pallid hollow oh duh, thanks

rich silo
#

Hey is prot good for m+ now? and what are the traits you use?

marble cipher
#

shield block recharge reduction, IP off GCD, shield block now blocking ranged physical attacks
I'd say they moved up in the world (of warcraft)

junior igloo
#

@rich silo
1 item with Deafening Crash
1 item with Bastion of Might
for Uldir 1 item to activate Reorigination Array

rich silo
#

but Reorigination Array dosent work in m+

#

oh

old zephyr
#

Deafening crash is on the craftable engineering Google as far as I know

junior igloo
#

Yeah, outside of raid, you have a "free" slot. I'd probably recommend another BoM, but BfI, IF, even Bloodsport are decent. For dps you can also go for Rezan's Fury or Tidal Surge

oblique garnet
#

last part of waycrest manor is bugged btw

sick sentinel
#

so BoM is mandatory for raid?

#

thought that its our least neccesary trait

oblique garnet
#

Cant kill the last adds at all they just reset and evade

sick sentinel
#

@rich silo for m+ you want either brace for impact or iron fortress, with the first being better in tyrannical and the latter in fortified

#

For your third trait that is

rich silo
#

ok thanks 😃

oblique garnet
#

id say for m+ you want currently 2x BoM and 1x DC

junior igloo
#

I think it's a very strong trait assuming Anger Management, especially the first copy (that gives you free IP every ~50 seconds on top of the mastery).
I'm not sure why Marok ranked it low.

sick sentinel
#

well, 500 mastery is a lot tbh

#

especially for m+

oblique garnet
#

He did the ranking for raids and purely defensive

junior igloo
#

Possibly some early estimates, or maybe I messed my napkin math up šŸ˜›

oblique garnet
#

afaik

old zephyr
#

Why is BoM that strong after the First one ? Is that bit of mastery that strong ?

oblique garnet
#

Well basically you get free 1k mastery with avatar

sick sentinel
#

Ping marok and ask him skyhold

oblique garnet
#

with 2 traits

#

Which is alot of damage and block

sick sentinel
#

since we are able to block projectiles now, think that mastery gonna move a little up in stat prio

#

unless crit block doesnt block proj?

oblique garnet
#

It does

sick sentinel
#

good thing its forti this week, gonna test the sh1t out of it

junior igloo
#

I had a look at the traits yesterday (ilvl 400) and came up with this, but it's all napkin math and it's possible I made some bad assumptions or mistakes: ```DPS ranking
*. DC (1st copy)

  1. BoM
  2. DC
  3. BfI (ST)/IF (AoE)
  4. CR
  5. Bloodsport (0)

Defensive ranking
*. DC (1st copy)
*. BoM (1st copy)

  1. BfI/Bloodsport
  2. BoM/IF
  3. CR
  4. DC```
merry cave
#

Anyone know if apothecary concotions trait is any good? Cant see it mentioned in the guides

oblique garnet
#

@junior igloo You basically came to the same conclusion as i did which is why im confused about maroks rankings

sick sentinel
#

So I have a dc on a 375 shoulder and on 375 chest and I was currently wearing the chest so I can have 390 shoulders with bfi

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But I also have a 390 chest with BoM

#

So it comes down to middle and inner rings

slate tartan
#

Afternoon all, after some honest feedback on 8.1 so far, thinking of dusting the warrior off, however how are they performing in mythic plus since 8.1? still early days I know 😃

prisma night
#

The changes are nice but we're not gonna be much higher in tank rank for m+. Itd be pretty hard to break top 3 though in m+

cobalt trellis
#

does BoM work for arms talent avatar? i mean the +mastery ?

hollow thorn
#

Reckless Flurry the Fury trait work for Arms so i would assume BoM works for Arms

sick sentinel
#

Isn't mastery bad for arms?

cobalt trellis
#

its deep wound dmg

#

its not good in pve i guess... i'm just wondering what 3xBoM would do with the bleeds during avatar

#

in pvp

#

just curious... i dont think this would work out tho^^

queen owl
#

yes bastion of might works in arms

#

and you get ignore pain

#

(plz dont fix blizz)

cobalt trellis
#

what

#

lol

narrow abyss
#

Lol do you really get ignore pain

queen owl
#

yes

sick sentinel
#

LOL WHAT

queen owl
#

i got a 32k absorb

narrow abyss
#

Lol....

cobalt trellis
#

...

queen owl
#

try it yourself

cobalt trellis
#

n1

#

htis is 1 trait?

#

what item level?

vocal nimbus
#

sounds powerful for pvp

cobalt trellis
#

i mean... mastery during avatar is fine, i think they will fix ignore pain working for arms tho

junior igloo
#

BoM is reduced by 50 % in PvP though

cobalt trellis
#

hm i ll take a look at it later when im home

queen owl
#

1, 375

cobalt trellis
#

with mastery trinket + 3xBoM (+ignore pain) maybe bleed dmg + maybe rend or something might do some serious pressure (talking about pvp) ... or maybe it does not ^^

junior igloo
sick sentinel
#

Do u think I can solo a +0

gentle jay
#

what are the best traits for prot offesnively and defensive

oblique garnet
#

@sick sentinel you can solo +2 and maybe even do it on time aswell

tight tree
#

pins @gentle jay

sick sentinel
#

that's pog

oblique garnet
#

@gentle jay Offensively 2x BoM 1x DC for m+

#

When new raid comes 3x BoM 3x DC becomes a reality and does insane damage

sick sentinel
#

rip

#

im out here with my 2x aott 1x dc

gentle jay
#

ty 2 bom and 1 dc for m plus got it

floral tinsel
#

@oblique garnet Does the time extend past 6s with multiple DC?

oblique garnet
#

No it doesnt

#

but it increases your thunderclap damage

floral tinsel
#

and its that good?

sick sentinel
#

so

#

do u boys think that new 900 crit trinket is > syringe

#

for burst

#

700 crit

#

I think it is

oblique garnet
#

Agent yes its good

quasi mural
#

What makes the BoM so good? Isnt the mastery buff just active during Avatar, so 20sec on a 90sec cd? I feel that the warrior is very cd reliant, so picking traits that reduce incoming damage in general, not just in short periods of time would be more useful?

oblique garnet
#

Well avatar basically has 50 sec or so cd

#

so you get so much benefit out of it

#

with AM

floral tinsel
#

20sec on a 90sec cd -> Anger management pushes it down to ~40-50s... so basicly every pull

quasi mural
#

Ok, didnt know AM was that great

#

AM + haste

floral tinsel
#

Yeah, AM+haste stacking is the prot build

#

Also, you get up to 15% "free" haste from 1st talent row

old zephyr
#

WAIT does this mean that gathering storm works with ravager talented?

sick sentinel
#

\;d/

astral crystal
#

1.20s gcd

#

S h a m e

sick sentinel
#

lul

#

395 versa/mast belt

#

380 crit/mast gloves

#

385 crit/vers wrists 😦

astral crystal
#

Painful

sick sentinel
#

370 crit/mast boots 😭

floral tinsel
#

How does the IP activation from BoM stack? If you have 2xBoM, do you get 1 IP worth of shield, 1.3 IP or 2 IP?

sick sentinel
#

it's just 1

floral tinsel
#

:(

sick sentinel
#

yo

#

you can glitch the mobs in atal'dazar

#

they just teleport onto you

astral crystal
#

Surprised they don’t teleport you to them

ionic fern
#

Wtf place is that even. šŸ˜‚

sick sentinel
ionic fern
#

Who even does that pack o.o

sick sentinel
#

hey man

#

i just thought it was interesting

ionic fern
#

Je, ofc. Was just curious as i don't think i've ever seen anyone do that one so wasn't sure how you even got to that point. šŸ˜‚

sick sentinel
#

it's +0

#

i ran in just for fun

#

I cannot solo the pack :' )

old zephyr
#

When new raid comes 3x BoM 3x DC becomes a reality and does insane damage
Do we get to have 2 1st ring traits per piece?

urban walrus
#

That's the idea

valid needle
#

Well almost

urban walrus
#

Not sure how long the 2nd trait takes to unlock

valid needle
#

1 ring is class specific only

#

Other is class + content specific

#

@urban walrus what do you mean?

urban walrus
#

What neck level

valid needle
#

You can just check that lmao

#

New tiers requirements are ingame

urban walrus
#

I mean like right now, didn't want to say oh yeah it's easy to get the 2nd one

#

Sorry I'm on my lunch at work :(

valid needle
#

I know ill be able to get first 2 on mythic already now

#

And im 35

urban walrus
#

Well that's a joke then ezpz

valid needle
#

So yeah, don't worry to much lmao

sick sentinel
#

im 29

#

i should hard farm

valid needle
#

Not really

ember arrow
#

Farm

#

Bfa

#

Lul

valid needle
#

Next tier is out in 6 weeks

urban walrus
#

You can get 30-38 in the first week of heroic

valid needle
#

So if you get a level per week

#

You're there @sick sentinel lol

sick sentinel
#

i dont get a level per week

#

:DDD

valid needle
#

Well

ember arrow
#

How

valid needle
#

Do islands and your emissary daily

ember arrow
#

U literally do emissaries

#

Thats 1 level

#

15 min

valid needle
#

And you'll get like 1-2 per week

ember arrow
#

Per day

valid needle
#

Im aiming for 42-43

old zephyr
#

So I guess the engineering googles are going to be less amazing that what I expected

valid needle
#

Depends what you think of as less amazing

old zephyr
#

Are the engineering traits good enough to compete with not BiS traits

#

I mean, they are probably not oing to be BiS.
Bt guaranteed DC is still good, so how does the 2nd row trait fare compared to other options

ember arrow
#

Asking for bis

#

In 2018 TF hell

sick sentinel
#

Traits don't TF

ember arrow
#

No but u can get random piece from chest

#

Higher azerite than what u got

#

Imagine gearing up making sense

#

šŸ˜‚

valid needle
#

Relational Normalization Gizmo and Auto-Self-Cauterizer could be very strong i assume @old zephyr and the thing is.. they can be crafted as 415 in 8.1

sick sentinel
#

You can check the guide that marok has in the pins and see where the eng traits rank at for us

#

RN I have a piece with both IV from inner and veins(Both considered BiS for us) from middle but I dont use them because I don't get to see it's use compared to RP/GR but that also has to do with me just doing M+ as my main focus

#

is running vengeance plausible now?

uneven mason
#

no

old zephyr
#

There is no mention of the outer tiers and Ilvl of google is stated to be fixed at 340 so I assumed It was not up to date

drowsy relic
#

how many ilvls do you think BoM is worth?

#

atleast 15?

uneven mason
#

BoM?

#

Bastion?

#

I'd say, no more than any other primary trait

#

less than DC, BFI, IF, BS

#

DC is still probably worth at least 25~ (2 tiers) if you're using DS properly

#

Bastion endsup being quite stong on big big pulls

#

but

#

its not going to beat the others.

simple dagger
drowsy relic
#

thoughts on archives in M+ on prot? yay or nay

#

ive seen sense run it a few times

urban walrus
#

I think it's run mainly due to easy item level and/or laziness, it had more offensive value over defensive value I think

#

Just my opinion

wide girder
#

375 with stats

#

@simple dagger

drowsy relic
#

hes got a * next to BoM in his list, is he saying that its mandatory?

#

or just a really good trait?

#

@junior igloo

uneven mason
#

Its weaker than the others

#

for survivability (and damage) outside of big pulls

#

In larger pulls, the mastery defensively and offensively count for more

#

but it is on average a weaker trait than BFI

#

or IF

#

which both provide a solid boost in both

#

and DC is just leagues ahead

drowsy relic
#

would you say DC is about 15 ilevels now?

sick sentinel
#

Yes

crystal creek
#

15-30'sh

sick sentinel
#

Rip the 45 ilvl dream

primal crypt
junior igloo
#

@drowsy relic
Not sure if mandatory is the best word, but yeah, I'd strongly recommend getting the 1 copy of DC and BoM

astral crystal
#

we touched tips briefly

narrow abyss
#

Tell me@more

spice musk
#

So Trait Strength order is the same in 8.1 ?

#

Icy veins updated and still says the exact same thing

uneven mason
#

@junior igloo Is BoM the strong reccomendation for M+ or for raiding in general, I suppose it turns another GCD into a defensive value and increases the RPS of avatar by a considerable amount, but won't BFI have a stronger impact over the course of a fight?

crystal creek
#

thinking BoM gains on big pulls, but I agree BFI would be stronger in most fights.

junior igloo
#

I got this with my napkin math: ```DPS ranking

  • DC (1st copy)
  1. BoM
  2. DC
  3. BfI (ST)/IF (AoE)
  4. CR
  5. Bloodsport (0)

Defensive ranking

  • DC (1st copy)
  • BoM (1st copy)
  1. BfI/Bloodsport
  2. BoM/IF
  3. CR
  4. DC```The first copy of the star traits gives additional value that makes it significantly above the rest.
sick sentinel
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@primal crypt lookin snazzy in that new pfp :)

primal crypt
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pfp?

unique echo
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Sorry guys, am going to ask the noob question. With traits like DC/BoM/etc being valued so high, should you take them over things like Archive of Titans? Or make sure you have 1 rank of Archive, then follow the preferred list?

uneven mason
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not inside Uldir

crystal creek
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If you're doing Uldir I'd still get 1 rank of an Uldir, if not no.

uneven mason
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50% haste face

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HNGG

unique echo
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So outside of Uldir content, do not take Archive/LM. Gotcha, thank you!

lusty grotto
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morning

floral tinsel
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Before the outer row is added, then In Uldir: Archive+BoM+DC is bis.

lusty grotto
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ilvl > bis

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remember that

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saying 'bis' is tricky

drowsy relic
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BOI/blood sport vs DC, is that about 15 ilevel difference?

wide girder
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2 archives are still best opt for m+

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  • dc
lusty grotto
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lol

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if you say so

mild maple
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Are the kill 20 things quests in Arathi gone? Just the world quests now?

lusty grotto
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what's BOI?

uneven mason
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BFI?

lusty grotto
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yeah i figured it was a misstype, not sure if BFI or BoM

unique echo
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With the trait listing above, how many ilvl's are they generally worth? Is it worth taking a 355 DC piece over a 370 BfI?

lusty grotto
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no

sick sentinel
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Actually maybe

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It's in the range of 15-30

junior igloo
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Yeah, I'd take the first copy of DC/BoM/RA over 15 ilvl

sick sentinel
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Me too

lusty grotto
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i wouldn't

uneven mason
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I wouldn't value BOM over 15

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DC is still probably 1 tier worth

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but none of the others are going to push much

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Now, BoM does get stronger in M+

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so depending on your pulling style

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It might push over 15 if you tend todo large pulls

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Generally traits are ranked in reliability (crit is our strongest stat in survivability, but it does 0 for EHP, since parry is unreliable)

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So the mstery boost for survivability since its a RNG boost

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is "weaker"

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but for damage its pretty strong

sick sentinel
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I can't even solo a +0

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That might be because of my weak wep and shield though

uneven mason
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Dead mobs can't hurt you.

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wat

sick sentinel
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365 and 355 respectively

uneven mason
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thought you were Limit

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big boi

sick sentinel
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No only meme

uneven mason
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get more AV/IV

sick sentinel
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I only have 1xIV

uneven mason
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RIP

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IV Is best

sick sentinel
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1xIV 1xRP 1xMoG

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It's fury gear except DC shoulders

uneven mason
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can prob solo M0 as fury

sick sentinel
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Yeah

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I don't know if it's gear/defensive traits or if I'm simply not good enough at prot yet

uneven mason
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Know whats best tho

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having the #2 geared person in my guild brag about how they got a 390, and "will catch mac this raid"

lusty grotto
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i'm not conviced DC is still valued so high, 15 ilvls are 56 Armor, 71 STR, 142 Stam

uneven mason
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so I get 395 bracers offa Taloc +++

lusty grotto
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on chest

sick sentinel
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6 seconds of 50% dr though

uneven mason
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wat

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20%

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boy

lusty grotto
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oh weep

sick sentinel
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I did a number

lusty grotto
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😦

sick sentinel
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I didn't know what the number was

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But I took a leap of faith

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But unfortunately I didn't have a hay filled wheelbarrow

uneven mason
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šŸ“–

sick sentinel
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I'm not on pc

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Or I would have googled first

uneven mason
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reading

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do it

lusty grotto
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you can google on phones now, didn't you know?

uneven mason
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Warrior is 400IQ spec

sick sentinel
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Yeah but if I Google it

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Someone else might have already said it

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On pc I can just do it on my second monitor

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Chat moves fast now that prot is the best spec in the game

lusty grotto
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jesus

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why

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don't ruin this

sick sentinel
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I'm not ruining anything anyway

rocky ledge
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I saw someone link a ā€œknotā€ trinket. What’s that drop from? Some new World Boss? Couldn’t play much yesterday

lusty grotto
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totally ruining it

sick sentinel
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20% dr for 6 seconds still a big deal

lusty grotto
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Ivus in darkshore

sick sentinel
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@rocky ledge new darkshore world boss

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I got 390

rocky ledge
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Ohhh interesting.

sick sentinel
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Crit trinket

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Seems better than syringe honestly

rocky ledge
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Cool. Would be a welcome upgrade to the 370 Lions Crit use trinket from doom howl

little summit
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Well it lines up almost perfectly with avatar through anger managenent

rocky ledge
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Someone also mentioned a helm, what traits does it have?

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From same boss

sick sentinel
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BoM

rocky ledge
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Nice

sick sentinel
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I don't remember the secondaries but they weren't exceptionally good

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Might have been Gutripper

rocky ledge
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I have 2x bloodsport at 390 with some 360 DC shoulders. Going to live the meme unless I get something special to drop for me after work.

astral crystal
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11 sec shield block cd

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wew lad