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crystal creek
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Taht'd be something if you had orb targeted and you clapped it.

chrome falcon
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It affects single target spells that then chain into aoe

sand egret
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yeah what Matta wrote

chrome falcon
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So like... literally just chain lightning and avengers shield? I can't think of any others

sand egret
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throw glaive

stark sage
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thank fuck, that will hopefully fix incinerate for destro

sand egret
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maybe fire and brimstone

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if that works that way

chrome falcon
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wait can you not specifically search item restoration anymore?

stark sage
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it wouldnt hit explosives even without FnB

sand egret
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slash its the same name

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I wonder if you can target them with like, Multishot

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or if its specifically chaining abilities

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not abilities that localize an single aoe around the target

soft kindle
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No @chrome falcon

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stupid change

chrome falcon
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FUCK dude i know i had a 385 reinforced plating piece

soft kindle
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but nah

chrome falcon
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and i scrapped it

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fucking hell ree

wide girder
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sad

crystal creek
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On one hand we will be scrapping everything we can for residuum. On the other if they decide to replace traits but I just scrapped the perfect piece I could be a bit salty. Item restoration? ๐Ÿ˜„

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Can you restore a scrapped piece?

primal crypt
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nope

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lol

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just have to sit there super salty

soft kindle
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Blood nerfs might have been reverted

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gigga poggers

chrome falcon
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Why?

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These nerfs seem fine to me

soft kindle
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The armor one was retarded

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the other ones were fine

chrome falcon
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They achieve the most important goal of any balance change:

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To make BDK's cry like babies

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It's awesome!

soft kindle
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The armor nerf was reverted, apparently, unless they just haven't decided to add it yet

crystal creek
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They pulled out the marrowrend change

soft kindle
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Which is good, if they did revert

crystal creek
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^

soft kindle
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Because it was

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p stupid

chrome falcon
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what was the marrowrend nerf

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because it's not on the page anymore

soft kindle
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because it was apparently reverted

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it was effectively an 18% ehp nerf to them

chrome falcon
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good

soft kindle
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and really hurt them as raid tanks

chrome falcon
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oh that's fine then

crystal creek
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50% to 40% str to boneshield

soft kindle
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^

chrome falcon
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yeah honestly what BDK really should have got was "20% fewer stats in dungeons"

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nerfing their ability to raid is fucking retarded

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they're totally fine in raids, they just ruin dungeons

soft kindle
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yeah it didn't touch their viability in dungeons, just hurt their performance in raid

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which is why it kind of got the

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wtf blizz

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response

ruby berry
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"Death grip now triggers a 10 second silence on all abilities and spells in dungeons."

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I don't see how they could possibly reduce their viability without breaking them.

chrome falcon
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bonestorm nerf was a step in the right direction

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then increase mass grip CD to ~5 mins

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these changes are dumb

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but a nerf is a nerf and we got buffed so i think we can compete

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especially considering infested is very bad for us and reaping is (potentially) very good for us

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if reaping just requires you to aoe a bunch of ghosts we are going to be so good at it

broken roost
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How is infested bad for us? Always seemed okay because shockwave and damage

soft kindle
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Because you can't cc anything

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and have no way of handling it as a warrior, any spec

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beyond looking at it

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maybe shaking your fist

astral crystal
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we have no way of dealing with infested?

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shockwave, dmg, charge

chrome falcon
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No that's not what I'm saying at all

astral crystal
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warstomp if you're memeing hard

chrome falcon
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I mean infested prevents us from running into 4 packs

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And doing the only thing we're good at: a shitload of damage

astral crystal
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also side question: what does reaping do even

chrome falcon
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good question

astral crystal
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i know every 20% it spawns what youve killed

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but is it as ghosts

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or what

chrome falcon
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we don't know

broken roost
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I dont know that that qualifies as 'very bad for us', but okay

chrome falcon
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all we know is something happens at some undefined breakpoint

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it's pretty fucking bad for us @broken roost

crystal creek
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Not real sure yet.

chrome falcon
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it's our biggest strength and we don't get to use it

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2 back-to-back infested packs? now instead of avatar'ing 2 packs you avatar one

astral crystal
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or pull both and cc the two infested

broken roost
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Unless you have dps with you/in the group that can cc them, yeah

astral crystal
chrome falcon
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which is way more awkward than not having to do that

broken roost
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But I mean all tanks would prefer to pull groups anyway wouldnt they?

soft kindle
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This isn't an argument. Other tanks can handle infested better than warrior.

chrome falcon
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yes but we benefit more than literally everyone else

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more mobs hitting us=more rage

soft kindle
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Some, like dk and pally, aren't that much better

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but we're the worst at it

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purely on our own merits

chrome falcon
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the only aspect of infested we're good at

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is fucking with worms

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fear and shockwave

devout ocean
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Havent played prot War since WoD and kind of tossing the idea around of going back to it for 8.1 how are the patch changes for prot good or meh?

chrome falcon
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prot looks great

supple path
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I thought reaping was like, everything you've killed spawns + charges you for a set period of time? Or did they back off that version?

broken roost
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Right - half the affix we do fine/well, and the other half we need someone with cc

chrome falcon
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all we know about reaping is that at certain breakpoints in the dungeon, something happens where ghosts spawn

supple path
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I've learned the key to prot warriors is to form your own groups and keep in mind that you're a prot warrior.

chrome falcon
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literally anything else is speculation

wide girder
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I am alive

chrome falcon
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@broken roost spawns of ghuun are not half the affix

wide girder
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As a prot

soft kindle
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Prot is looking very stupidly strong for a raid tank

broken roost
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Half the mechanics, not have the impact

chrome falcon
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just because it has 2 aspects does not make 1 aspect half of the difficulty of the affix

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well if it's not half the impact it's a completely moot point

devout ocean
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@soft kindle how so?

soft kindle
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It doesn't take physical damage

chrome falcon
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we have (basically) 100% uptime on shield block and shield block is a Good Button

soft kindle
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to put it simply

chrome falcon
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we might get fucked by jaina if all she does is spam frostbolt

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but i think about getting fucked by jaina pretty often anyway so i'll get over it

wide girder
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Wave or direct stun in talents for m+?

astral plover
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Did the Deafening Crash change go through? I couldn't see it in the patch notes

supple path
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There's no one right answer - depends on your group comp + the mythic in question

chrome falcon
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HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

soft kindle
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It's not in the patch notes

chrome falcon
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DEAFENING CRASH NERF ISN'T IN THERE

soft kindle
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THE PATCH NOTES ARE NOT FINAL

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until patch is live

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that said

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holy shit wtf

chrome falcon
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right sorry i forgot blizz gives the patch notes to the intern whose only other job is to get coffee

astral plover
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Okay, so tempered excitement until it releases

soft kindle
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I agree to that

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let's not get worked up

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and then let down

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but again

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holy shit wtf

plain ice
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oh man

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i'm working myself up a little tbh

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:X

wide girder
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Damn

chrome falcon
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DC change has to be going through

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there's no way

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we already look SO strong

wide girder
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They are trolling us

plain ice
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but like

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this will make us #1 in sco's tier list strong

chrome falcon
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for sure they just forgot to put the change in

ruby berry
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I can't imagine they forget that in the actual changes. Just an oversight I'd bet on.

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@plain ice LUL

crystal creek
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By change you mean only stacking up 6 seconds right?

plain ice
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yea

wide girder
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Could they forget that in the OFFICIAL PATCH NOTE

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put*

chrome falcon
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man so the only tilter here is that

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i do actually have a 385 reinforced plating piece

crimson sentinel
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Yes they could

chrome falcon
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but it would replace my only DC piece

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blizzard is without a doubt the absolute worst company in gaming for their patch notes

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it normally takes them a full patch to update their tooltips to reflect changes

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sometimes i wonder if they only have like 2 people working on that

crystal creek
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If it's not in tomorrow, I would think it'd be in the first hotfix.

chrome falcon
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i mean i guess i wouldn't want my job to be 9-5 updating tooltips, maybe they draw straws for it

wide girder
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And one of them is a volunteer

crimson sentinel
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It is in tomorrow

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The whole patch note is scuffed

crystal creek
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was it fixed on the ptr?

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I'd assume so

exotic tiger
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is ptr still up?

crimson sentinel
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Yes it is

soft kindle
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Yeah

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and it's still 6s capped there

exotic tiger
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yeah, probably just undocumented in patch notes

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but still

astral plover
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So it's probably going in then

exotic tiger
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HOPE

ruby berry
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I would guess it's an oversight, they miss things from time to time in the official notes.

exotic tiger
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by time to time

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you mean all the time

ruby berry
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Yeah, I guess I do ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

soft kindle
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There's a number of changes tho

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which is why

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I got a sliver left

zinc mauve
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hmm? are patch notes out?

plain ice
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yea

zinc mauve
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uhh

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if DC not being changed is intentional, thats kinda fucked up

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mostly cause DC is stupid strong as a trait

primal crypt
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DC was changed though...

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?

zinc mauve
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its not in the patch notes

astral crystal
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hm

zinc mauve
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so whether its actually changed is up to testing, or for blizzard to revise their patch notes

astral crystal
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might just be undocumented

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so maybe the DK nerf is still in

zinc mauve
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^ probably this, only one way to find out

astral crystal
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if DC isn't nerfed though

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that's a holiday

primal crypt
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...

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wat

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it really isn't

zinc mauve
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wasnt it up to 55% before?

crystal creek
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Rejoice in Skyhold, drink mead.

astral crystal
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armor, yes

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it got an extra 5%

crystal creek
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Yes they buffed it again.

zinc mauve
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haha

soft kindle
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The 60% was like, two days ago

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recent

crystal creek
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Against physical we're going to be even more thicc

zinc mauve
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Its worth mentioning that being able to block ranged is not explicity stated as being changed, however, it is implied that it is/was a feature

primal crypt
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@fierce juniper marokneed to fix icy veins now?

zinc mauve
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oh

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nevermind i didnt read far enough

crystal creek
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/shakes fists at the villagers throwing rocks.

zinc mauve
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oh SHIT

fierce juniper
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Uhh I highly, highly doubt the DC change isn't in the patch. Likely just undocumented.

zinc mauve
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thats what i was thinking

primal crypt
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Someone didn't copy paste correctly

zinc mauve
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the explosive orb change is hella good though

prisma crane
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@zinc mauve that part is massive, yea

zinc mauve
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i usually use victory rush to kill it tbh

primal crypt
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^

prisma crane
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i'm 100% ok with no aoeing them, but you should do dmg if you're directly targetting them lol

zinc mauve
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i agree

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this is fine i think

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good change

primal crypt
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I wonder if that is the same for unholy dks

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Cant scourge strike them lol

prisma crane
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it's probably all abilities

sand egret
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i doubt it

primal crypt
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I hope so

prisma crane
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basically, anything goes, provided you're actually targetting it

primal crypt
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It felt so bad not being able to dmg them

sand egret
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they specifically called one one subclass of ability

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and did not say "aoe abilities"

prisma crane
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so just jumping abilities

sand egret
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so my guess it's "chaining" abilities

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yeah

ruby berry
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yeah it seems like it'll be enemy targeted multi-target abilities.

prisma crane
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if that's the case, then it's a stupid update

sand egret
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Throw Glaive, Avenger's Shield

ruby berry
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^^

sand egret
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it's a really good one

prisma crane
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for 2 classes

sand egret
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as those are abilities that are multiple, single target hits

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3

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actually

ruby berry
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I'm sure there's a few more out there

sand egret
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definitely is for sure

prisma crane
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not like shaman dont have 10 things that'll hit them either

daring marlin
ruby berry
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Hammer of the righteousness would quality as well I think.

daring marlin
sand egret
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does that chain?

zinc mauve
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someone said warrior and viable in the same sentence without using 'not' between the two

primal crypt
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So thunder clap

sand egret
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i haven't touched a prot pally so i dunno

ruby berry
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yeah it bounces off a targeted enemy

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thunder clap you can do w/o a target though and it's pbaoe

primal crypt
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Avatar thunder clap all the explosives

sand egret
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yeah

primal crypt
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Sounds good

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Thanks blizz

sand egret
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i would be SHOCKED if you could TCLap orbs

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even if you targeted them

daring marlin
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@sand egret Not being able to avenger's shield the explosive orbs is the most annoying thing ever. This change is great.

primal crypt
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Lol

ruby berry
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I think it would basically invalidate the affix if all aoes worked.

zinc mauve
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LUL

neon tangle
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The patch notes are missing all kinds of things

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No mention of DK armor nerf

daring marlin
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keep being sad

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kid

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๐Ÿ˜›

sand egret
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Oh absolutely, and not being able to Chain Lightning them is a PITA / this gives Ele a nice niche during that week

chrome falcon
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DK armour nerf was on there

neon tangle
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Iโ€™m always sad

daring marlin
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need a madbox

neon tangle
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@chrome falcon ?

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Maybe if they revert the change Iโ€™ll be a gladbox

chrome falcon
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i can say for absolute 100% certain it was there

sand egret
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naw we need a cool, chill plaidbox

chrome falcon
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i refreshed and it was gone

sand egret
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just drinking "homemade" hot toddy's, talkin about your hand carved chess set

hidden kindle
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How would you feel about Gag order coming back as a talent? (silence on heroic throw)

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Feels like it would really help our utiliyy

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In m+ that is

sand egret
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here's the biggest question....where does that talent lie

astral crystal
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that'd be cool for m+ yeah but i agree with bladesong, where would you put it?

sand egret
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cuz you put that shit instead of Ravager and that ain't gonna sit well

zinc mauve
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just add another row

neon tangle
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Having a spammable ranged interupt/ silence isnโ€™t gonna happen

zinc mauve
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exclusive to prot warriors Kappa

sand egret
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@neon tangle Could give it the Heart of Ice treatment

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stacking buff and at max stacks it silences on hit

hidden kindle
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It would have interna CD or make HF have a CD

sand egret
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def don't want HT to have a CD

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it's our ranged pulling tool

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just internalize the silence proc

astral crystal
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it's about time for another fuckin talent row tbh

steel mauve
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it wasnt spammable though, it had an internal cd of 15 seconds

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you could spam heroic throw, but gag order had a cd on it

sand egret
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prob would wanna surface that CD nowadays

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given how people freak without tooltips haha

neon tangle
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But anyways, would be nice

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Since thatโ€™s one of the hardest parts about sanguine

sand egret
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inb4 ranged chains pulling suggestion

hidden kindle
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I dont think a say 10-15 sec cd on HF when Gag order is taken is that bad

sand egret
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or HL that pulls in

crystal creek
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Hey bears got the vortex now

hidden kindle
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You can still pull 2 packs with HF + taunt from range then

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And if u are pulling more than 2 packs you prob skystep anyway

lusty grotto
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what did i miss

daring marlin
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muh utility

astral crystal
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DC nerf not on the notes

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BDK nerf apparently pulled

daring marlin
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Undocumented prolly

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the dc nerf

astral crystal
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currently we are here

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tomorrow we could slip back down to HAPPENINGCON 4 or go up to 2

supple path
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"Mythic Keystones can no longer be deleted." <--- awwww

lusty grotto
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i mean if dc nerf was undocumented, then bdk nerf is undocumented

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what the fuck

astral crystal
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but apparently bdk nerf was present

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and then pulled

lusty grotto
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keystones not being deletable is fucked

daring marlin
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nimchimp

primal crypt
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good luck finding keys

daring marlin
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a change to a base ability

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is not the same

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as a change to an asserite trait

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JUST SAYING

lusty grotto
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ok guilfart

astral crystal
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rekt

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ˜‰

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yo i need to run a KR, does anyone have one?

daring marlin
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mam gae

lusty grotto
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lets see what ye olde dungeon finder has

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ooo an 11

mellow quartz
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bdk nerf is still there

lusty grotto
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ooo a 7 with a shaman heals

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

mellow quartz
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look at 'veteran of the third war' for bdk's it gives 15% armor on live and 0 armor in 8.1

keen spire
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Also known as "Shmeals"

ancient reef
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just got me a rezans im excited bout that haste

soft kindle
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That's probably just wording Alyrion. And that would be significantly larger than the marrowrend nerf

mellow quartz
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marrowrend was buffed on the ptr due to the nerf to veteran

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that buff was changed

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so you are left with just the nerf to veteran

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iirc

astral crystal
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tomorrow will be a day of revelations

neon tangle
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Hard to say whether the nerf is happening or not, patch notes DO mention veteran

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and don't mention any armor

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Veteran of the Third War is now learned by all specs, providing 10% stamina to Frost and Unholy, and 60% to Blood Death Knights.

mellow quartz
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which is clearly a nerf

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since it also has 15% armor on live now

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so that leaves just the stamina

neon tangle
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Well if they don't change the armor component it won't be a nerf

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they don't explicitly say "And removed the 15% armor bonus", etc

mellow quartz
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would be strange if they didnt apply that after having been on the ptr so long

neon tangle
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Hard to say whether the PTR is what's going to go live, or whether it's just a messed up revert of the original change

mellow quartz
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I mean it could be

neon tangle
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I mean, the change to bone shield only happened a couple days ago

mellow quartz
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we will see

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yeah but the veteran change was months old

neon tangle
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the PTR had no mastery at all for warriors for a while

mellow quartz
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that they removed the armor part

burnt egret
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how is prot warrior looking 8.1??

neon tangle
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@burnt egret good

ancient reef
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good

neon tangle
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very good

keen spire
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Idk this is the BDK channel

burnt egret
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troll or nah?

keen spire
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We only talk about BDK

ancient reef
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not yet brm good but prot pally good?

neon tangle
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Almost certainly better than prot pally

keen spire
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@burnt egret Prot's looking fuckin great dude. We're pretty stoked about our buffs.

burnt egret
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hell ya cool

neon tangle
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It's close to BrM, sorta taking the slot that BDK was in

astral crystal
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man remember a few months ago when someone said bdk couldn't solo high keys

neon tangle
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BDK is going to either be slightly weaker, or... "Oh god why did you do this blizzard" come tomrrow

astral crystal
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behold

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aw that was close

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got the boss to like 10% alone

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on a 22

keen spire
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Like I said

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We only talk about BDK here

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

crimson sentinel
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Cause the only thing that is being said here 500x

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Is prot warrior good in 8.1?

keen spire
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Well is it?

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Let's ask our Blood DK friends

crimson sentinel
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4head

keen spire
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They'll know

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Lol Auv, I'm just messing around

errant wing
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(insert viable emoji)

keen spire
astral crystal
daring marlin
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@burnt egret terrible

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don't bother

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delete your shield

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@crimson sentinel viable?

keen spire
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@daring marlin Delete yourSELF. Got'em.

daring marlin
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hah fuckin' gotem

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roasted

keen spire
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Yall smell that?

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That's some roast guilford on the grill

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Eat up, me hearties

neon tangle
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I am happy for the multithreading stuff

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can't complain about 20% better fps

keen spire
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Yes, that will be good.

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More frames to be sad about. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

neon tangle
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It gets my FPS >100 when running around more populated areas

keen spire
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is it live yet?

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I actually didn't know

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lol

astral crystal
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tomorrow

zinc mauve
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what if bastion of might, instead of providing one ignore pain cast, it was a shield block cast?

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mmm actually that sounds a bit busted, perhaps instead just increasing the chance for critical blocks would be better

keen spire
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I was gonna say something memey

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But then I decided I've filled my troll quota for the day

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So. Nevermind. I think adding interesting things into prot's kit that increased critical block would be cool, but only if they were explicitly in addition to other effects, since crit block is underwhelming and not very player-choice oriented.

zinc mauve
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make it so ravager doubles critical block for 30 seconds after ravager expires, Kappa

robust bronze
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is avoidance favorble?

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over like bis stats

keen spire
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Since avoidance is randomly acquired, you're never going to "shoot for" it. And you're going to prioritize basically everything else over it. It's just nice if you get a piece of it that "upgrades" a piece you already have. That's my take on it anyway

summer kestrel
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Looking good this changes

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Being able to block ranged attacks makes my day t21prot

lusty grotto
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is wcl down for anyone else?

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nvm it's a browser issue

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oh great

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next week is fort + teeming again

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fantastic

neon tangle
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might be a little more fun after the buffs

primal crypt
lusty grotto
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that combo is still pretty much aids

neon tangle
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and magic will still hurt

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going to be a fun week

lusty grotto
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means i won't be able to get my rank up, since i have to do KR and Shrine

neon tangle
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I did shrine this week, apparently I had never done it on my alt

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semi-embarassing to get the achieve for reg + m0 in a +12

lusty grotto
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happened to my hpal this week

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cant remember which dungeon though

red sequoia
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im probably late to the party, but "Shield users can now block ranged physical attacks." hell yes

uneven mason
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Battle for Azeroth dungeons now automatically change you to a spec that matches the role you chose when you queued.

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Didn't they do that like 3 fucking Xpacs ago and it never worked right

soft kindle
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man that's shite

daring marlin
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why is it when I do islands on my warlock

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every warrior

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is arms

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makes no sense

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efficiency? what's that?

tight brook
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hey i just saw this on patch notes

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Battle Shout now correctly increases auto-attack damage by 10%.

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is this correct that we dont buff ap now anymore?

jagged bay
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hey marok on the spell summar y page in your guide it still says " Vanguard increases your Stamina by 35% and increases your Armor by 45% of your Strength. " still thank you for updating!

fierce juniper
#

Oh, thank you. I'll get that fixed.

compact dock
#

Would a paladin be a good alt for a warr on fights that dont fit the warr? Like lets say magic or heavey bleed

sand egret
#

could be, super fight dependent tho so its hard to pin it on one class or another

compact dock
#

Just need a good alt for when my warr is going to suffer in8.1. Got them all really. But dh/druid wont be any good compered to dk/monk/pala

sand egret
#

ah, new there was a troll in there

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almost got me!

astral crystal
#

Bolster Talent (New)
Requires Warrior (Protection)
Requires level 60
Last Stand's cooldown is reduced by 60 sec, and it additionally causes you to block all melee attacks. Thunderclap also extends its duration.

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BOIS

sand egret
#

this guy...

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you're like the personification of the Circle Game

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lol

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oh but that multithreading

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I feel ya @neon tangle that is going to be quite nice

keen spire
#

wtf

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TC extends LS???

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BRUH

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They tryna prepare us for the nerfbat? like.. dawg

sand egret
#

and you still got baited

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lol

keen spire
#

๐Ÿ˜‰

astral crystal
#

get counterbated

keen spire
#

^

sand egret
#

damit

keen spire
#

hahahaha

sand egret
#

the two-man play

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touche

keen spire
#

got'em

sand egret
#

i'll give you that

keen spire
#

โค

sand egret
#

๐Ÿ‘ข ๐Ÿต ๐Ÿ‘

zinc mauve
#

that bolster thing was a meme correct?

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cause i dont see it any patch notes

steel mauve
#

yes

lusty grotto
#

my pugging life isn't so bad lately

outer dew
#

this nub

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why you doing only 10's

#

!

lusty grotto
#

i cant find people to do 15s with

fierce juniper
#

Please don't post fake changes and stuff like that.

lusty grotto
#

ruh roh

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woo went up to 18

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๐Ÿ˜„

daring marlin
#

marok gonna swing the hammer

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;p

astral crystal
#

marok baybee im just playin

crystal creek
#

Oi

cinder nova
#

eyir sucks

gilded tendonBOT
#

fuk u @cinder nova

oblique garnet
#

Rise of the machines?

sick sentinel
#

I cant wait for tommorow to see the channel bombarded with fotm bootlickers coming to the channel because of the buffs weve gotten

lusty grotto
#

that's exactly what's gonna happen

outer dew
#

smh

oblique garnet
#

#BlockTheRock in 27hrs for eu

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Watch blizzard release another hotfix โ€Protection warriors seem too strongโ€ โ€We are adding 6 seconds to shieldblock rechargeโ€

cinder nova
#

zzzz

mint swallow
#

Is deafening crash still bis after nerf?

sick sentinel
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Yes/no

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It's still the best but not a powerhouse trait like before

mint swallow
#

thanks

hidden axle
#

Boys I haven't played since release basically is 8.1 prot worth playing wow for?

sick sentinel
#

As I think thr changes, with the change to blocking ranged attacks what the value of mastery becomes in the case of M+

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@hidden axle is that a serious question?

hidden axle
#

Yes how's prot shaping up?

sick sentinel
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If I'm basing off ur question, protection is not going to be ur saving grace to come back to wow

astral crystal
#

yeah youre not going to find revolutionary changes or anything

hidden axle
#

Fuck

cinder nova
#

BFA in general is a steaming pile atm.

#

Basically on every mark in terms of promises in exchange for what we lost from Legion they've missed the mark entirely

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By no small margin, either.

supple path
#

I was promised superior fox and alpaca content, and they delivered.

peak violet
#

"Ignore Pain is no longer subject to the global cooldown."
I know it is not much, but this puts a smile on my face.

loud tartan
#

hey guys, I just specced into Prot for the first time yesterday -- I've been playing fury since BFA launch, but I figured I'd pick up the Ignore Pain Tracker weakaura off wago, and because I prefer progress bars over icons, I decided to spend the day reworking it. If anyone's interested in seeing it, see https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN (the original: https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker)

cinder nova
#

Only good thing is the art and feel of the game from a visual perspective.

inland mesa
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385 jes howler, let's go boys!

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and a 375 rezan's, been a good weekend

sick sentinel
#

Im still overall enjoying bfa, my biggest gripes about it are being solved tommorow with prot changes and mythic vendors

inland mesa
#

probably both better than 385 disc, ye?

sick sentinel
#

Otherwise I've liked everything about bfa so far

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Throw disc into the garbage where it belongs, almost everything is better than disc

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The only thing worse than disc is tendril from ghuun

inland mesa
#

guess what I rolled off g'huun

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D:

sick sentinel
#

It's such a vanity trinket it's not funny

inland mesa
#

gonna try 385 jes and 375 rezan in this 14 seige then

sick sentinel
#

Itd be better if it worked like the tendrils from EN or did more damage and cast more often

inland mesa
#

g'huun stacking damage buff is all melee right, someone is telling me it's magic

sick sentinel
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Don't know, I afk whenever someone decides to pull me into a raid

native trellis
#

im certain its melee

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it buffs consecutive melee attacks to the current target

odd ledge
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it's magic

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stacks scale magic hit that happens together with non-scaling autos no matter if you block/parry/dodge.

mild maple
#

Which alt-tank compliments a Prot Warr main best? ๐Ÿค”

neon tangle
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Monk

onyx vessel
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Pally

neon tangle
#

Because monk is always the answer

onyx vessel
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Shield bros

mild maple
#

I feel like it's Pally or DK

onyx vessel
#

Id guess now its monk then everything but drood then drood

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In tier list

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Id say raiding it would be monk pally dk warrior dh druid

neon tangle
#

The verdict is out on DK until tomorrow

onyx vessel
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What you think

neon tangle
#

But right now 8.1 will be monk warrior pally prolly

onyx vessel
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Hmm

neon tangle
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Itโ€™s unclear if the armor nerf will be in 8.1 for DKs

onyx vessel
#

Should

neon tangle
#

It will drop them down a few slots in raids for sure if so

onyx vessel
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Gotta nerf em in dungeons

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Grip op

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Prot is easy #1 phys tank in 8.1

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In terms of pure mitgation

neon tangle
#

I mean they will remain powerful ish in m+ with that nerf

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But itโ€™s kinda like trying to make prot good in m+ by continuing to buff vanguard

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You can do it

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But itโ€™s gonna make raids fucked up

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I primarily raid tank on my BDK so itโ€™s a bit of a bummer

outer dew
#

Dog

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You main swapped before

#

You can main swap again

vocal imp
#

so will DC still be the No1 trait after 8.1

hot locust
#

Yes

vocal imp
#

screwed up and did the emmissary quest today instead of waiting till after the patch

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had a few pieces upgrade on ptr 385

oblique garnet
#

Iirc the emissary rewards dont scale up till raid comes

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But you still get the residuum from the piece

vocal imp
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ok

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anyway off to bed going out of town for work so enjoy 8.1 hope it better for prot i'll find out in 5-7 days

neon tangle
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@outer dew I might, who knows

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More just talking about how this particular nerf does a bad job at making them less desirable for m+

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While making them way less desirable for raids

oblique garnet
#

I wonder how much residuum you get if you did like an 18+ key or smth

worthy dagger
#

it has diminishing return

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so for example if a +10 gives you 200 a +18 would probably give 300 or something

cloud hound
#

Guys a long term question here. Are we going to get any major profit from the 5th ring traits when they come out? I mean they are a big deal for dps specs and maybe for tanks with a number of good traits but when it comes to our traits top tier traits are far apartfrom the others and not worth stacking

raven kernel
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Stack the avatar trait

timber vault
#

I'm curious as to how much more mitigation the upgraded Vanguard will be from the armor

oblique garnet
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1k armor or so

wide girder
#

2 archives seem to be the best again with new upped modification

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+1dc

oblique garnet
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Yeah till new raid probably

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But for m+ bastion is most likely better than archive

lavish oracle
#

1k seems high, I'm sitting on ~6k strength right now at 382 equipped with a 10% buff incoming

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so like an extra 600 armor

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which is like a 2% DR increase

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Though it also makes traits like archive which give more strength more valuable

zinc mauve
#

Sense runs double archive, its certainly viable, although whether its the best is a bit hard to figure out

ionic fern
#

MIght be just cause mythic azerite is the highest ilvl you can get. ๐Ÿคท

oblique garnet
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2 archive 1 dc is the best m+ setup atm

wide girder
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2 archives are better now, and going to be even better tomorrow. Head from mother is the best in slot btw

oblique garnet
#

If you want to minmax your gear till new raid comes for m+ i think best setup will be archive bom dc

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But i dont think its wise to waste your currency for gear at this point

lavish oracle
#

All RP slots are just getting replaced with BoM, right?

oblique garnet
#

Yeah

lavish oracle
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Rad, 2/3rds of the way there

#

just need to keep praying to Ion for a Galea

sick sentinel
#

any NA player on who opend the weekly chest? with a +10?

amber siren
#

reset hasnt happened yet

soft kindle
#

NA reset is 5 hours

jade socket
#

We wonโ€™t be able to open chests for over 12hrs if maintenance goes full time

soft kindle
#

oh right and maintenance

young marlin
#

Gunna be quite strong after maintenance bois

oblique garnet
#

Maybe instead of "Wow prot warrior" when you join a pug m+ you can get no snarky remarks

#

Man can dream

young marlin
#

Agreed

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But when they see the power we wield... The enemy wont be the only one trembling in fear

oblique garnet
#

its best when you join a pug who has never played with a warrior tank and they are like "Wtf is wrong with your dps"

young marlin
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oh ya, when you effectively rip things apart as if you were a dps

sick sentinel
#

how late is it in NA lul

soft kindle
#

I get shit when I pug as fury

young marlin
#

its 1:31 am xD PST

soft kindle
#

prot will never not get shit

young marlin
#

I am just happy to no longer worry about rage capping

sick sentinel
#

@young marlin past 1h and 30 min it was monday in NA??? (time zones fck me every time)

soft kindle
#

Right now it's 4:37 A.M. in New York

young marlin
#

Tuesday 1:37 am PST

soft kindle
#

Tuesday morning

valid needle
#

Wait wait wait.. So what is our azerite prio?

smoky mesa
#

Hey, I assume 15 iLvl on a helm are better than 3 slightly better traits?

soft kindle
#

Unless it's DC or RoA, ilvl > all

oblique garnet
#

@valid needle Raids or m+?

valid needle
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@oblique garnet both i guess

oblique garnet
#

Raids till new raid comes 1x Archive 1x DC 1x BFI

smoky mesa
#

it's neither, thanks @soft kindle

oblique garnet
#

M+ 1 DC 1 Archive 1 BoM

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Or 1 DC 2x BoM

valid needle
#

My man @oblique garnet i need help here cause im not a prot warrior. I know what DC is but BoM and BFI.. I have no clue about lmao

oblique garnet
#

bastion of might , Brace for impact

#

bastion is the new talent

#

trait*

valid needle
#

Nice, thank you

oblique garnet
#

And ye i know youre filthy dk main : )

valid needle
#

The filthiest

oblique garnet
#

You killed ghuun yet or still at mythrax?

valid needle
#

Ready to have my spec fucked in a day tho ๐Ÿ˜ญ

#

We got him past p1

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(G'huun)

#

But we need to do it more consistently

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We're extending till he's dead tho

oblique garnet
#

Same

#

No point reclearing at this point when nobody really needs the gear

valid needle
#

What are you at?

oblique garnet
#

mythrax started prog 2 days ago

valid needle
#

Not bad not bad

oblique garnet
#

had some issues with raiders leaving

valid needle
#

Ah rip

#

How do you handle the second add?

oblique garnet
#

on mythrax?

valid needle
#

Ye

hidden kindle
#

same as the first add

oblique garnet
#

^

valid needle
#

No i mean..

#

2 adds spawn

sick sentinel
#

anyone know how much currency we get out of +10 chest?

valid needle
#

1 add is handled by all the people

hidden kindle
#

no

valid needle
#

And other add is handled by 2-3 people

hidden kindle
#

you mean in transition?

valid needle
#

Ye lol

hidden kindle
#

have a few ranged assigned to kick it

oblique garnet
#

its me 1 healer and a rogue handling it then when the first dies we bring the other add around and switch tanks so i can reset my stacks

valid needle
#

What healers do you run?

oblique garnet
#

We had 2 paladins 2 discs and a druid

valid needle
#

Ah alright

oblique garnet
#

Or 1 disc 1 holy

#

cant remember ๐Ÿ˜„

valid needle
#

If you ever end up with a shaman

#

He can interrupt and you can deal with that add 2 man

#

Like you as a tank + the shaman

oblique garnet
#

Ye

#

We are still figuring out the fight

#

To get everyone comfortable etc

valid needle
#

Sure

#

Remember that you don't need to interrupt late on the add though

oblique garnet
#

Ye its not me dying that has caused us some issues :p

#

Except on couple pulls the add just randomly insta casted void volley and essence shear at the sametime

valid needle
#

Sounds weird, never had that happening

oblique garnet
#

Yeah i mean only logical explanation would be that the other add which has rest of the raid focusing got one void volley through but if thats happening its sad

valid needle
#

We experienced a thing where the Shear didn't hit anything

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So the add started casting it again

#

And i guess if that happens as it is supposed to use the Volley it might overlap

oblique garnet
#

Could be

#

I just wanna see how my RL will handle tanking mythrax tomorrow

#

as a dk

#

He is stubborn saying dks will be better than warriors on raid situations

valid needle
#

Can prot Spell Reflect the shadow damage part of the shear?

oblique garnet
#

nah doesnt reflect back to the boss but reduces damage

valid needle
#

Well it's only the damage reduction i was thinking about

#

What's the CD on that?

oblique garnet
#

25sec

valid needle
#

Damn

#

Might handle Mythrax better than DK's then

oblique garnet
#

yeah with demoshout you have effectively 40% dr on each shear with just those alone

valid needle
#

That honestly sounds pretty busted

oblique garnet
#

Yeah mythrax hits like a wet noodle but im pretty over geared

valid needle
#

I mean..

#

What's your best % so far?

oblique garnet
#

43% i think

#

We only had one raid on mythrax pretty much

valid needle
#

Well P3 is where it gets a bit spicy.

#

Or whatever you wanna call it

#

Cause as soon as orbs aren't spawning, the health you're at is limited

oblique garnet
#

eh i tested i could take 4 shears without mitigations without dying

valid needle
#

What we did was that i took all the Shears

#

With rotating externals

#

And the other guy had the boss

#

Cause that way our other guy has alot more health to handle the autos

#

Which will be the problem when you're at 60++ stacks

oblique garnet
#

Shield block my dude ๐Ÿ˜‰

astral crystal
#

Mythrax p3 is the easiest phase btw

#

He falls over extremely quickly and your damage intake drops dramatically because at that point you donโ€™t break people out of the orbs

#

And you should have externals up

#

Or personals

#

For shear

#

At most you get 3 shears

valid needle
#

It might've been a bit more of a struggle for us as we ran double DK but we found a way

oblique garnet
#

next week will be good for warriors on m+

#

can test the limits on how much you can pull on high keys

brazen whale
#

does anyone know if using intervene on the active tank on G'huun will reset the growing curruption stacks?

eager hollow
#

It doesnt

#

I always intervene to get out of the slow from add death and he still keeps stacks

outer dew
#

@oblique garnet well, i'm 1600 io basically

#

;D

#

qq

#

not a terrible push week considering

#

i didn't get motherlode/kr

eager hollow
#

Motherlode

#

Wrenches

oblique garnet
#

ml wasnt baf

#

bad

#

@outer dew next week should be good aswell

outer dew
#

well

#

ML is doable this week

#

or ideal this week

#

because lots of trash is no fun

oblique garnet
#

You mean on the tyrannical bursting week or the teeming quaking?

outer dew
#

tyrannical bursting

#

nice week to pull big

oblique garnet
#

Yeah

#

can probably do the same next week

#

Atleast to an extent

#

Im excited to test how many packs i can handle

wide girder
#

at what level?

oblique garnet
#

15 ->

#

need to get CE and then i can focus purely on m+

wide girder
#

ce?

oblique garnet
#

cutting edge

#

Kill mythic ghuun before next tier

wide girder
#

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

oblique garnet
#

i had very late start for mythic raiding because of my spec not being the fotm tank so i couldnt get into proper guilds early on

outer dew
#

bby

#

next week

#

i'm getting carried for CE

#

lmao

oblique garnet
#

Like you got carried to 1.6k ? Kappa

outer dew
#

wowoww

#

btw, what'''s current io?

#

1700, right?

oblique garnet
#

Ye

#

Still have to do the atal 18 and 18 shrine ๐Ÿ˜‰

wide girder
#

sick

outer dew
#

disgusting

#

lmao

oblique garnet
#

man i wish i had gotten 18 WM

#

Its so free

outer dew
#

group got a +18 WCM

#

they cucked me

#

for a paladin healer

#

and fuckers didn't even time it til a 15

oblique garnet
#

wth

#

15+ is 2 chestable

outer dew
#

like i said

#

fuckers cucked me

#

smh

#

and then i give htem a +16 WCM

#

smh

#

#betrayed

oblique garnet
#

Did they take a bdk?

#

LUL

outer dew
#

YES

#

THOSE

#

wait no

#

not BDK

#

it was a HPAL

oblique garnet
#

but who tanked it?

outer dew
#

NOT ME

#

smh

oblique garnet
#

So a bdk?

tight tree
#

bdk?

outer dew
#

nah

#

i mean

#

not hpal

#

PPAL

#

SAME THINg

oblique garnet
#

Ooh

outer dew
#

tired

#

3 am for me

oblique garnet
#

its 1 pm for me

outer dew
#

trying to get this +16 ML before i go to bed

oblique garnet
#

Gl

gaunt dawn
#

Making a feedback post for m+. If you know any dungeon bugs, put it in a doc and pm me please xo

oblique garnet
#

the 3rd and last boss are aids

astral crystal
#

Does the temple eye disappearing bug still happen?

#

It can get caught on retarded terrain as well

oblique garnet
#

@gaunt dawn Thunderclap pulls adds through the walls in TD same with the cannon

gaunt dawn
#

Ive put this request in all the tank discords. Could you consolidate what you know in a pm to me please:). Or a google doc if its alot

astral crystal
#

Item Level 385 Cache - 165 Titan Residuum
Specific Item Level 385 Piece - 675 Titan Residuum

#

kek

outer dew
#

no one is gonna be wanting to spend their residuum though

dull granite
#

I one threw it up into the celling. Thank god we had someone DC on the last boss so I could blame ripping the key on that

#

eventually it despawned and while we were waiting around for it we noticed the other side that we put in already was spawned

oblique garnet
#

@astral crystal So thats from a +10?

#

But it will be higher the higher key you do

wide girder
#

With a big diminishing up to 15+

#

So 12-13 seems more profitable if u struggle and always dying at 15+

outer dew
#

@oblique garnet well I accomplished my goal for this week

#

1600 actually now

oblique garnet
#

nice

ionic fern
#

Btw, can you see reflected dmg in warcraftlogs somehow?

oblique garnet
#

yes on the boss damage taken

ionic fern
#

Oof, nice

#

Thanks.,

#

So now when ever they want me to take my paladin to WM i'll just send them this picture of damage taken by Lord Waycrest.

odd ledge
#

MonkaS

mild maple
#

Is there a resource that lists all reflectable spells in BfA dungeons?

eager hollow
#

underrot first boss is better

oblique garnet
#

@mild maple pins

mild maple
#

Cheers, I found it in the pins

dark lark
#

Actually speaking of reflecting, when talking the dudes in shtine that deep smash

#

Do you cast reflect on the attack itself, or do you hit reflect and jump in a circle

primal crypt
#

Nice update :)

astral crystal
#

Iโ€™m fiending for undocumented patch notes

lusty grotto
#

i went up to 18 last night yamo

#

i gotta run shrine

chrome falcon
#

Patch up for NA?

oblique garnet
#

Anyone wanna switch my 18 shrine to some other key?

chrome falcon
#

Is the DC nerf in?

oblique garnet
#

Ye

#

s

lusty grotto
#

its 8:25 AM

chrome falcon
#

Was that yes to my first or second question ๐Ÿ˜›

lusty grotto
#

so no it's not live

oblique garnet
#

The DC nerf is in

#

the patch

chrome falcon
#

oh they updated the notes?

lusty grotto
#

its blizz haha ๐Ÿคท

chrome falcon
#

until i see it in-game i'm holding out hope

lusty grotto
#

meh

chrome falcon
#

35 more minutes of optimism is all i get

lusty grotto
#

no reason to stress over it

#

its still good

chrome falcon
#

sure

grand trellis
#

Took me an entire tier but I finally judged my way into tanking for my key group. Feels good

primal crypt
#

@lusty grotto i got something for you

grand trellis
#

Nudged. Not judged

chrome falcon
#

honestly i sort of hope it does get nerfed so i have an excuse to replace my DC shoulders with my bastion of might shoulders lmao

primal crypt
#

And maintenance isn't done until 6pm EST

lusty grotto
#

is it a pan-shaped shield?

oblique garnet
#

it will still be bis mattacate

chrome falcon
#

yeah but it's 370 DC 385 BoM

short temple
#

i bet i can find this somewhere. but how do i handle huge amounts of magic dmg as a warrior?

chrome falcon
#

shield wall

#

for "huge" amounts

#

everything else can be handled by SR, IP and DS

lusty grotto
#

demo shout, spell reflect, ip outside of that

chrome falcon
#

the only reason prot is bad at magic damage is because our hp pool is so pathetic

#

we can mitigate it fairly well

#

we just don't have the HP of the others

primal crypt
lusty grotto
#

we do soon ๐Ÿ˜‰

primal crypt
#

@lusty grotto

oblique garnet
#

Mattacate im sorry to tell you this but it will still be worth 15ilvls

lusty grotto
#

nice yamo

#

i need that to get my rank up

primal crypt
#

You're better off chesting 13s lol

chrome falcon
#

@oblique garnet In raiding sure but BoM will be better in keys which is all i care about

lusty grotto
#

anything 10+ in shrine to be sure lol

oblique garnet
#

Idk

primal crypt
#

We just wanted more 15 keys

#

So we had to bite the bullet

chrome falcon
#

BoM+15 ilvls > DC in keys

#

100% hp

oblique garnet
#

No

chrome falcon
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if the nerf goes live

oblique garnet
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Sorry ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

lusty grotto
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hell no lol

oblique garnet
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Even with the nerf

primal crypt
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Hell nah lol

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DC is still top dog

oblique garnet
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But my man its possible to get 3x BoM 3x DC when the new raid comes

chrome falcon
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You guys can feel free to be wrong if you want I'll be over here with like 600 mastery during our stupid OP cooldown outdpsing everyone

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Yeah I know it's the only reason I still have any hope left in my soul

lusty grotto
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you can still get 1x DC and 3x BoM

chrome falcon
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Actually do we even know that for a fact? Are there going to be pieces in every slot with DC+BoM?

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ˜‰

oblique garnet
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Yes

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Checked the ptr

lusty grotto
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and fill in with 2x of whatever you want

oblique garnet
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You can also buy all of those from dungeon

chrome falcon
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i want 2 more DCs

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for more dps

oblique garnet
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Same

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Im legit gonna run 3 bom 3 dc for m+

chrome falcon
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AND there's not going to be any infested

oblique garnet
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Actually bis

lusty grotto
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sounds good

chrome falcon
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so we can pull like 30 packs

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with the retarded amount of BoM mastery we can just pull everything

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and take no damage

oblique garnet
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Yup

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And basically out dps everyone

lusty grotto
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hey hey

primal crypt
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My god....3xbom 3xDC

lusty grotto
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keep it quiet

primal crypt
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Wtf

lusty grotto
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SHUSH

primal crypt
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We're about to get nerfed so hard

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๐Ÿ†

oblique garnet
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Sah

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Nah man

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We keep it down low

primal crypt
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Not possible

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We're fotm

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Starting today

oblique garnet
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For raids

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Not m+

lusty grotto
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looking forward to all those fotm rerollers

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not

primal crypt
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Yikes

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viable?

lusty grotto
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viable

primal crypt
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Are prot?

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Prot via

oblique garnet
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No.

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Always answer with no

lusty grotto
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not viable

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sry

primal crypt
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Can tanks in bfa?

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Incoming preach video too

lusty grotto
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f preach

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๐Ÿ–•

primal crypt
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He's gonna put out a "prot is busted" vid

oblique garnet
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Nah

lusty grotto
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gotta spam that pins emote

oblique garnet
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He doesnt use shieldblock :^)

lusty grotto
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LOL

primal crypt
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LOL

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where can I check the az pieces

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With bom + dc

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Need to make my new bis list

lusty grotto
primal crypt
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Ugh

lusty grotto
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unless changes are live in the wowhead site

primal crypt
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Their mobile version sucks

oblique garnet
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It replaces reinforced plating

lusty grotto
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its on both 5th and 4th ring though

primal crypt
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At least engineering helm has DC

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that's a super feels good

lusty grotto
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engi seems good this patch

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brez and helms

primal crypt
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Brez is so good

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Now my group has two brez

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Feels good man

sick sentinel
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Won't be shocked if it gets nerfed

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Esp since a lot of people will go eng just for the brez to do skips

lusty grotto
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it's kind of unreliable though

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has a chance of failure

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well not unreliable but

sick sentinel
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So similar to the jumper cables?