protection

[signal plover]

And then tag Warm

[fierce juniper]

The Icy Veins guide has been updated for 8.1.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide

Check out the intro page for the full list of changes to Prot in this patch.

TL;DR of the main things you need to know:

• With the Deafening Crash adjustment, after casting a given Demo Shout, Thunder Clap is your highest priority ability until you hit the max 6 second extension (3 TCs), after which you swap back to the "normal" ability priority.

  • As a very, very general rule, DC is only worth dropping if a new piece is +45 item levels. 30 item level upgrades should pretty much always be taken for other pieces.

• Bastion of Might, the trait that replaced Reinforced Plating, is the worst spec specific trait. It's by no means "bad", none of the spec specific ones are, just prioritize it last in that regard.

• Intimidating Presence, a new Inner ring trait, is extremely niche, and will only have use in certain situations in dungeons (see the Azerite page for a general ranking).

• Physical ranged attacks are now blockable. Use this to your advantage when you can.

• With Ignore Pain being off the GCD, just know that you don't have to fit it into your ability priority anymore. Usage of it remains pretty much the same.

[crystal creek]

The post that paused skyhold.

[sand egret]

here I was hoping the new guide would have been a “choose own adventure” style

[broken roost]

DC still worth 30 ilvls :o

[winter pulsar]

Still? Damn...

[fierce juniper]

Eh, roughly. Honestly it really depends on the other traits on the piece and such. The survivability gain from the Stam/Strength increase on higher ilvl pieces is actually pretty minimal, but because our spec specific traits are all relatively close in strength, you take item level upgrades regardless. DC is still very good though.

[signal plover]

Thank goodness for the new double rings

[fierce juniper]

I mean before 8.1 DC was worth way more than 30 item levels.

[broken roost]

Fair enough - so keep DC for 15 ilvls, definitely drop at 45 and sometimes drop at 30

Yeah

[sand egret]

I think the greater point is that hopefully with the extra ring there should be less scenarios where you're making that choice since DC should be more accessible

[broken roost]

Yeah fair enough - all azerite pieces will have the double ring as of tomorrow yeah? Not only new ones

[sand egret]

uh i think the extra ring comes later

[uneven mason]

It also varies per fight, some fights have shorter than 14 second tanking windows, while others will hve much longer, DC is worth more vs non blockable damage, so bosses that have more in that arena will increase its value vs stuff like BFI

[sand egret]

with the new raid

[lavish oracle]

Is Bastion of Might still worth considering if you're looking to increase your damage output, or not really?

[sand egret]

so we're going to be in the awkward puberty stage

until people have all the gear with the new rings

[crystal creek]

Ya, we have to shave but we can't grow a beard.

[lavish oracle]

I might just save all my residiuum for a full set of random 385s day 1

[oblique garnet]

Wait marok Bastion of might the worst trait?

[signal plover]

@broken roost new ring only on azerite obtained after season 2 begins (Jan 22)

[soft kindle]

or save your residum for the 415 gear

[crystal creek]

I'm def saving for 415.

[lavish oracle]

Not even worth it for day 1, the price difference will undoubtedly be insane

I doubt all the residium I save between now and then will put much more than a dent in the cost

[sand egret]

im not really going to save, if anything I'd rather just roll the RNG dice on my pieces since I'm in the "good traits but not 385" camp

[lavish oracle]

I think the second class trait ring is a big enough boost in power that just making sure you have one for every slot will be a huge boost

[oblique garnet]

Good traits at 385 gonna save all till january

[sand egret]

oh snap, I didn't even realize Intimidating Presence was a inner ring trait...wow i'm an idiot.

[neon tangle]

@fierce juniper I’m pretty in to intimidating presence for m+

[lavish oracle]

Oh, this is a dumb question but I assume azerite powers are arranged in such a way that you won't have the same trait twice on the same piece of gear, right?

[sand egret]

that's exactly what I wanted to try it for sadbox

yeah, Aza

[fierce juniper]

@neon tangle It can be very, very good on big pulls, but that's about it. It's not "generally" useful.

[sand egret]

it doesn't scale per enemy anymore right?

[neon tangle]

If anything I want it more for the slow

Helps keep it from accidentally pulling other mobs

Helps with kiting

[lavish oracle]

Does the slow last after the fear is broken?

[oblique garnet]

Marok are the traits based on offensive value or defensive ? Since id assume BoM would be good offensively?

[neon tangle]

Oh, hunh, not sure on that one

@lavish oracle

[lavish oracle]

Might be worth taking for kiting if it does

[soft kindle]

It does

[uneven mason]

@fierce juniper something I never figured out, does bloodsport just add a flat absorb (as in, next time your IP absorbs damage, increase that by X - past the 50% cap) or does it just make IP "bigger"

[lavish oracle]

Hell, it'd make me consider taking Menace on necrotic weeks

Probably still wouldn't, though

[uneven mason]

since the wording sounds both ways in the guide

[fierce juniper]

@uneven mason It just makes IP bigger.

[uneven mason]

kk

[neon tangle]

Will be doubly useful with the nerfs to frost mage slows

[uneven mason]

still not horrible since most tankbusters consume the entire IP buff

[hushed cobalt]

this happened, and its a tanking trinket right?

[sand egret]

oh damn

[primal crypt]

yup

[sand egret]

that's fucking smexy

[primal crypt]

thats def a tank trinket

[hushed cobalt]

avoidance is key to tanking i hear

[sand egret]

well it's a nice frosting on a sick cake

[lavish oracle]

That's what Pawn keeps telling me

[hushed cobalt]

370 rezans, and 380 mchimbas bandaids

[sand egret]

rezans and that

googog

[uneven mason]

Did someone say CRIT?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[sand egret]

haha there it is

[uneven mason]

I actually somehow got my RA to swap to Mastery the other night

I should've screenshotted the meme 48% block with 62% Critical block chance

I was like LETS GO DO FETID NOW

[sand egret]

ok it's monday and i'm being dense...clarify "bigger" in re: to Bloodsport. If my Bloodsport adds 4,000 to my IP which grants 30,000 per use, then does that mean when I press IP once I get 34,000 IP and if I double tap it (lol) i'd get 44,200 IP?

[uneven mason]

Hmmm yeah does it make each cast

bigger

or just the total

[sand egret]

(34,000 x 1.3)

[lusty grotto]

...

[uneven mason]

is it beyond the 1.3 cap?

[crystal creek]

Hrm wasn't lala doing a +3 bloodsport on ptr the other day..

[sand egret]

or would I get a 47k shield

(39,000 IP base + 8,000 from Bloodsport)

[fierce juniper]

Bloodsport adds to the per-cast amount of IP. The cap is calculated off of that.

You can see it on the tooltip when you have bloodsport

[uneven mason]

kk

thanks for the clarification

[soft kindle]

That's boring

vers doesn't affect Intim presence

[crystal creek]

With menace we'd have 12 seconds of mobs at 50% speed, Not bad kiting there.

Not a bad niche for necrotic, you said the slow stays after fear breaks?

[sand egret]

thanks Marok for that clarification

makes me really wanna try some Bloodsport action

if the slow and fear are two separate buffs for IntimPres, I'd imagine it would stay around after. I really hope this is the case since it would be a nice button to hit when attempting to kite.

[soft kindle]

It did when initially testing the trait

That was two months ago, though

[crystal creek]

I don't think they would change it. Sounds like I'll need to keep a piece with that handy.

[sand egret]

if it does work that way, definitely would be a one-pointer I'd keep an eye out for. All about that extra utility

[uneven mason]

Intim presence sounds like a +++ for necrotic weeks

[soft kindle]

Well

this is awesome

[sand egret]

considering I have dark thoughts during necro weeks where i'm like...."maybe I can make Dragon Roar work...", this sounds delightful to me

[soft kindle]

No longer stays when fear is removed

[sand egret]

oh

OH

[uneven mason]

point of that one

RIP

Like

Why

why make that a thing at all

[soft kindle]

Can someone hop on ptr to double check that I'm not just like

[sand egret]

well, back to the 3x IV dream

[soft kindle]

bugged

[uneven mason]

IV x3 sounds fantastic

[sand egret]

that was short lived haha

[crystal creek]

:😩

[uneven mason]

"LOOK EVERYONE NEW TRAITS"

Oh gee thanks

[soft kindle]

If I am totally fair, when I was first testing it the absorb from Intim Presence didn't even apply

[sand egret]

Meth...you're not running Menace as well right?

[soft kindle]

No

[sand egret]

double check to make sure the talent doesn't fuck it up

[uneven mason]

Its like when I got my license, and my dad was like 'Son I bought you a car' its out in the driveway

[soft kindle]

Rumbling earth

[uneven mason]

so I look outside

and he had put a hotwheel in the driveway

[sand egret]

at least you got hotwheels

[uneven mason]

Socks for christmas, our new traits

[soft kindle]

The first time I tested the trait was two months ago in the first ptr build, and at that point it didn't even apply the dampening shield

[sand egret]

i got a picture of my loan statement

[uneven mason]

then my brother smashed the hotwheel with a hammer

[soft kindle]

So it was probably staying just because it was fucky in early implementation

Still a decent shield at least

~68k on 6 enemies isn't bad

[sand egret]

does it apply per enemy

[soft kindle]

Yah

[sand egret]

Oooo

[soft kindle]

Every enemy feared

[sand egret]

OOOOO

[soft kindle]

which is up to 6

[uneven mason]

68k is a pretty solid chunk of reductin

[sand egret]

oh. caps at 6k?

err 6x

[uneven mason]

going to go with BFI

is still stronger overall

[soft kindle]

Intimidating Shout is 1 target, plus up to 5 additional

[sand egret]

they aren't exclusive

[uneven mason]

oh right

derp IV still stronger

[sand egret]

this is an inner trait

[uneven mason]

esp 3x

unless

that is per tier

so x3 Intim

would be like a 180k absorb

[soft kindle]

No

68k is with 3

[uneven mason]

oh

fuck that

[sand egret]

hmm

how long does the shield last?

[soft kindle]

I was initially just checking if vers affected the shield

[uneven mason]

its a debuff

[soft kindle]

Which it does not

[uneven mason]

its a "reduction" of their damage

not an absorb on us

[sand egret]

ohh like smite

[soft kindle]

Yeah, was just a faint hope

All kind of stuff slips through the crakcs

[sand egret]

does it apply after DR's im assuming haha

[soft kindle]

Yah

[uneven mason]

well

[soft kindle]

That at least I can confirm

[sand egret]

well at least there's that....

[uneven mason]

there is that atleast

actually

68k after reductions

on trash

[sand egret]

is it per attack

[uneven mason]

thats quite a bit

of

I mean actually

for big D pulls

[sand egret]

or is it a single "stack" of damage

[soft kindle]

the absorb lasts 15 seconds

[uneven mason]

that sounds fairly sizeable

[sand egret]

this has peaked my interest now...

[soft kindle]

It's just a big shield

Think of

Guardians old Tooth and Claw proc

[sand egret]

that doesn't help me haha

[soft kindle]

oh sorry

instead of a shield on you

[sand egret]

yeah I got that

[soft kindle]

it's like a dampening shield on the enemy

[sand egret]

what i'm wondering is

[soft kindle]

so just overall

I know what you meant

It's not that haha

[sand egret]

ook

[soft kindle]

That'd be insane

[sand egret]

so it doesn't scale or diminish per the attack speed

[soft kindle]

Nope

just a fat shield

[uneven mason]

figure the avg trash mob is going to hit our block for what like 6k

so that absorb

[sand egret]

that's applied to each mob. So if mob A hit me 3 times and mob B hit me 5 times, they would have different remaining values on that debuff, correct?

[uneven mason]

is probably going to last until

the duration fades

right BLade

[sand egret]

and is the debuff itself, scaled per mob but applied (the scaled version) to each mob? so that 68k is on EACH mob?

[uneven mason]

if only intim was infinite targets again

that'd be like our verson of Bonestorm

Big D pull, 15seconds of LOL

[sand egret]

that's what i'm thinkin

heavy auto-based trash would be really impacted by this with blocks + parries

[lusty grotto]

IS would be so great if feared mobs didn't agro others and it lasted a lot more

[soft kindle]

Resounding is 17.8k, Visage is 6.2 at 420, per trait

So IV is more overall healing, Intim would be like

turning it into a defensive CD

[uneven mason]

that would be the goal yeah

I mean IV is great over long distances

[lusty grotto]

wait wait wait i got here late, which trait is this?

[uneven mason]

I love the healing on it

Intimidating Presence

[lusty grotto]

let me check

[sand egret]

new inner tier

[soft kindle]

and it is per target feared yeah

so it has a cap like Bonestorm

but still strong up to that point

[sand egret]

so the scaled value is applied to each target

[uneven mason]

correct

[sand egret]

that's actually kinda dope

[uneven mason]

now

does it apply to mobs immune to fear?

[lusty grotto]

whoa

[sand egret]

KR....

shakes fist

[lusty grotto]

is ptr still up?

[uneven mason]

pretty sure

[lusty grotto]

ok i can probably check right now

[sand egret]

oooh please do

[lusty grotto]

hold up

[soft kindle]

Where's the neared unfearable mob

nearest*

[sand egret]

find a skeleton

[lusty grotto]

yea that was my next question

[sand egret]

drustvar?

[soft kindle]

Could go into KR I guess yeah

the golem dudes

[sand egret]

hmm that complicates the test

as they are immune to slows as well

if i recall

[soft kindle]

Fair point

[uneven mason]

if it applies the absorb

to anything in range

[soft kindle]

to drustvar

[uneven mason]

It'll be amazing

if it doesn

than F

[sand egret]

yeah, on a side note

IV doesn't seem to scale like it should

[uneven mason]

it has heavy DR

[lusty grotto]

hold up im looking for a piece with it

[sand egret]

yeah, so 3x IV may not be worth it over 1x IV with 2x IP

since my overall healing with 1 piece vs 2 in an average M+ run changes by about ~7-9%

[uneven mason]

yup

TBH for M+ I prefer resounding

because its an up front mitigation

so I don't explode and its not RNG

I don't have to hope it "procs"

its just there

to smooth things out on the pull while i get aggro

[soft kindle]

Bad news lads

[uneven mason]

sorry wrong tier again

f

[soft kindle]

Doesn't apply

[uneven mason]

man my brain is cooked from finals week

[lusty grotto]

ok let me go to KR

[uneven mason]

or no, I'm not wrong

And well

I'm not surpriosed by that

so it'll be good in some situations

but I guess we'll just go back to old faithful IV or Gemhide

[sick sentinel]

I hope that prot gets really good, 8.0 was a hell of a struggle

[uneven mason]

for raids at least

0_o

Uh I guess

serious Panzuka

[lusty grotto]

a struggle for bad players sure

[uneven mason]

you have hOPE?

There is no hope

[lusty grotto]

for the rest of us it was 🤷

[primal crypt]

I like shimmering 😄

[outer dew]

A struggle?

I haven't felt my class limitation yet

🤔

[uneven mason]

😟 is that the azerite pool crap?

[lusty grotto]

☝

[uneven mason]

that lays on top of bad

[primal crypt]

it is

[sand egret]

yeah Mact, RP and this would share, but yeah

[primal crypt]

I like it

[sand egret]

i haven't had the gear to try flexing RP

[primal crypt]

sometimes it drops on some shit tier places

[sick sentinel]

Pugs only getting dk and monks was really sad

[primal crypt]

but it's nice when I'm in siege mode

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest, i can't find the npc that upgrades my Heart

[uneven mason]

Protection died for me the day Sense did MDI as a BDK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494653856064733194/509484690433114114/unknown.png

[lusty grotto]

does anyone know how to upgrade it on PTR?

[sand egret]

nerp

[uneven mason]

Also

@sick sentinel had 0 issues all of 8.0 as prot warrior beyond some MEME community perception bleeding into my guild

which I got crushed like a juice box

[outer dew]

So everyone's pooling their azerite currency for raid , righ?

[uneven mason]

mmhmmm

[sick sentinel]

I had a lot of fun through m+ with my port

[lusty grotto]

there's a cap though

[sick sentinel]

Prot

But it was kinda shit to find groups

[uneven mason]

for a bit I saw some "LOL prot"

[sick sentinel]

Since I just do m+ on pugs

[uneven mason]

but then I started tanking M+s

and folks just kinda rolled with it

[sand egret]

im pug-only, didn't really see flack once I got into the 10+ range tbh

[uneven mason]

cause dead mobs can't hurt you

[sand egret]

it was WAY worse gearing in the lower ones tbh

[outer dew]

I haven't had flack

🤔

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png

[outer dew]

Even in 15-17 range

[uneven mason]

Dead mobs

[sand egret]

and when I did "see" it it was more like, it happened to me once

[uneven mason]

can't hurt you

[lusty grotto]

so this is weird, you dont need HoA levels on PTR but i can't choose traits

[outer dew]

But NA alliance is weird

[sand egret]

^

[lusty grotto]

ima stream real quick

[sand egret]

it is weird

[outer dew]

Most people in NA alliance start knowing each other

[daring marlin]

HELLO FELLOW PROTS WHAT’S UP

[outer dew]

Ban

[oblique garnet]

17 UR hmm

[outer dew]

I don't need to warlock main

[daring marlin]

@outer dew you know this siixy dude then?

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet you better bring some baller dps LOL

[daring marlin]

demon hunter

[soft kindle]

Prot is looking incredibly strong in 8.1, especially in raid

[sand egret]

yeah Tofu, but I meant by 10+ was that higher than that there wasn't nonsense

[outer dew]

Hmm

[oblique garnet]

cant miss a single SR

[soft kindle]

it's going to fucking laugh at physical damage

[sand egret]

it was mostly in the 4-7 range tbh

[outer dew]

Full name guil?

[daring marlin]

We already laugh at physical

melee

[soft kindle]

No, we chuckle

[daring marlin]

beware wrenches

[outer dew]

I mean.

[soft kindle]

we're going to guffaw

[daring marlin]

BEWARE

[outer dew]

You can't gauge your luck from 4-7

[daring marlin]

duck

[outer dew]

Those people are bottom of the bucket

[lusty grotto]

uhhh....

[sand egret]

if that's your only experience with trying out prot in 8.0, that can very much shape how you see prot

[lusty grotto]

what's going on here

[sand egret]

also why we get such questions

[daring marlin]

You’re looking at wrong asserite kid

[crystal creek]

Clearly you need to do more IEs.

[oblique garnet]

i joined random fh pug this week they were pushing 15+ to 2 chest

they had never had prot warrior as tank before

[soft kindle]

Pick another piece @lusty grotto

[outer dew]

I mean, my experience with prot is fine

[lusty grotto]

i bought 2

[soft kindle]

some of the azerite isn't finished or is left over

[oblique garnet]

They added me after for more keys

[lusty grotto]

different ones

[sand egret]

haha that doesnt surprise me

[daring marlin]

nimchimp there are so many asserite to buy

[soft kindle]

Some pieces of azerite from the vendor isn't "done" or just hasn't been removed yet

[daring marlin]

and you choose one of the three like that?

ban

[sand egret]

it's also somewhat dependent on your server and stuff

[outer dew]

NA Alliance memes

[oblique garnet]

Also tofu 1.7k

[lusty grotto]

well i cant find the new trait on old pieces

[outer dew]

I lazy to push qq

[daring marlin]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

BASTION IS PEPPERED ON MANY PIECES

[lusty grotto]

no we are talking about Intimidating Precense

you got here late Guilfart

[daring marlin]

ur mom

[oblique garnet]

bastion is apparently worst according to marok

[lusty grotto]

😱

[outer dew]

For raid or m+

[oblique garnet]

He didnt answer me so i dont know which one he meant

[outer dew]

For m+ it seems juicy

[oblique garnet]

^

[outer dew]

You avatar + LS

[daring marlin]

I’LL BE ROCKING IT IN M+

[outer dew]

Dps like a mofo and then kite

[soft kindle]

Nimchip

[outer dew]

Gtfo warlock main

[oblique garnet]

Never kite

[daring marlin]

chimp

[oblique garnet]

Except necrotic

[soft kindle]

you're buying from the big ass Tauren right?

in the middle of the city

[lusty grotto]

OK GOT IT

[soft kindle]

There we go

[lusty grotto]

on Breastplate of the vengeful

w8 who are you in here

anyway im off to KR

fucking PTR binds

nope

hmm

it doesn't work with immune to fear mobs

this guy isn't immune to fear so it works

yeah

what the fuck

they nerfed headless horseman hearthstone

or it just doesn't work hehe

ok so there you have it 😃

which means it doesn't work on bosses

[sand egret]

🤔 looks like the debuff is longer than the fear?

[soft kindle]

When the fear goes away, it jsut turns into the damage absorb

[dreamy owl]

for DAYS

[lusty grotto]

yep

what meth said

[soft kindle]

the debuff is 12 seconds

I assume to account for Menace

[buoyant inlet]

did we get confirmation on bastion in M+? seems like it would be so strong on big pulls

[lusty grotto]

confirmation on what specifically?

[buoyant inlet]

marok is saying its the weakest, i wonder if he means for raiding only

[lusty grotto]

oh on what sense said you mean?

not atm

i guess we will have to wait on marok's update

[buoyant inlet]

at work so thinslicing the conversation, so just wondering if there was more discussion i missed

[soft kindle]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

OHNO

IVE BEEN HAD

fuck my life

[soft kindle]

I assume Marok meant defensively, and specifically for raid, it's the weakest

Could ask him tho

[lusty grotto]

hmm it's still good

[buoyant inlet]

you would only want one instance of it anyway right? since it wouldnt stack your IP, just the mastery?

[lusty grotto]

remember you can have 2 traits

since there's an additional ring

mastery does stack

[soft kindle]

oh alright

[fierce juniper]

Bastion is certainly better in M+ compared to raids, but overall, as in, for general usability, it's the worst.

[soft kindle]

his reasoning makes sense

[lusty grotto]

yup

[soft kindle]

Bastion specifically gives you power during avatar

[lusty grotto]

thanks marok

[soft kindle]

but that's not necessarily when you need to have more survivability

and delaying avatar for those times would be a similar loss

[buoyant inlet]

thanks marok!

[soft kindle]

in m+, you use Avatar relatively frequently, and for big ass pulls especially, so it'll probably give both stupid damage and the sizable survivability boost right there, when you need it

[oblique garnet]

Still probably gonna end up trying to get 3 bom

[buoyant inlet]

yeah thats what i want

3 even though the IPs off it wouldnt stack? just to get the huge stacking mastery?

[oblique garnet]

Offensively its probably on par if not even better than dc

[lusty grotto]

mastery stacking

[soft kindle]

It's a lot of mastery

[buoyant inlet]

true, moar powah

[next ermine]

Bastion with DC in m+

Thats some tasty aoe

[lusty grotto]

hmm

we should have enough options to make that possible

[oblique garnet]

I wonder if its possible to get 3x BoM 3x DC

[next ermine]

DC is possible

Idk about bastion

[lusty grotto]

bastion is possible

lots of pieces have it

[buoyant inlet]

the mastery off bastion would pump up critical block too right? so stackin in Iron Fortress could go farther for that window?

[lusty grotto]

gotta check the ptr trait finder, but last time i tried it wasn't working

BFI is still better in that regard

bigger SS numbers

more dps, so more stacks of BFI

or at least in my head

hmm

but crit blocks

[buoyant inlet]

the SS on bosses sure, but on huge packs

[oblique garnet]

Mastery also gives attack power

[lusty grotto]

yeah i can see where you're going with this

[robust bronze]

xalzaix good for us over rezan's gleaming eye at same ilvl?

[buoyant inlet]

all that pushed back dmg on crit blocks

[lusty grotto]

fuck no leifus

[buoyant inlet]

thats apples and oranges

[oblique garnet]

Idk if bfi will provide better st damage over bastion either

[lusty grotto]

yeah they aren't competing

remember 5th ring

[soft kindle]

I'll check Late

[lusty grotto]

the thing is IF dmg thing is very minimal

and i don't know if it's affected by AP

[buoyant inlet]

something to play with i guess

[soft kindle]

@oblique garnet 2 shoulders, 4 helms, 5 chests

[buoyant inlet]

for bastion?

[oblique garnet]

For both?

@soft kindle

[soft kindle]

Both yah

Bastion and DC

[oblique garnet]

Hmm

All of those are from dungeons or from raid?

[soft kindle]

From the big tauren

let me check where they're from

@oblique garnet 1 shoulder and 2 chests from the new raid, p sure the rest is Emissary or dungeon

[primal aurora]

Prot Buffs 🤔

[soft kindle]

so counting the ones from the vendor+the new raid, that's 2 shoulders, 4 helms, 7 chests

Yes. Prot buffs.

[daring marlin]

viable ?

[lusty grotto]

viable buffs?

we officially need a viable emoji now

[daring marlin]

IS IT HAPPENING? Can I finally tank regular mythic dungeons without lol prot ?!

[lusty grotto]

lul

[daring marlin]

or join a random heroic without people leaving cuz muh viability???

[primal crypt]

Prot warr is viable now?

[lusty grotto]

viable

[primal crypt]

Can we do BFA content?

[primal aurora]

According to xmog rules, Legion raids are current content so yes 🤔

[lusty grotto]

ohmy

[soft kindle]

ngl

been wanting to get in as prot in farm at some point

but can't stand the IP gcd bs playstyle

really wana smash my face into miffic soon, the buffs are just a bonus

[lusty grotto]

i still feel bad about frenzied regen and hotp/lotp still being on gcd

[primal aurora]

Ugh the paladin heal being on the GCD

[lusty grotto]

i should have said i only feel bad about bears

because prot paladin is boring as fuck so fuck that

[primal aurora]

Hey I love Prot Pally

[lusty grotto]

im sorry you feel that way

[primal aurora]

Then again I like simpler specs

Which is why I like warrior :GWowoBlobCoffee:

[daring marlin]

Prot pally would be so much better if the heal and seraphim were off gcd

[lusty grotto]

if prot war was so simple there wouldn't be so many bads giving us a bad name

[daring marlin]

but since they are

no thx

[lusty grotto]

(without buffs)

[blazing condor]

yo guys, is archives better than brace for impact on uldir helm if youre not in uldir?

[lusty grotto]

for dps yes

for defensive purposes no

[primal aurora]

I dont like Ignore pain on the GCD. Feels so bad compared to Legin

[daring marlin]

basically yes

[blazing condor]

im thinking cus strength = parry

[lusty grotto]

but not by a huge margin

[blazing condor]

but maybe the block is better

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

parry is super random

and no str is not = parry

that's crit

[daring marlin]

we already block enough outside uldir

block value is more important in raid imo

[blazing condor]

well https://gyazo.com/1d5cf8271095415ec8a268648a3857f5

but maybe im dumb idk

thats why im here asking

[soft kindle]

for dps yes
for defensive purposes no

[blazing condor]

alright thats about what i thought but wanted to double check

but inside uldir i guess archives is better cus of reorigination array yeah?

[daring marlin]

RA OP

[lusty grotto]

of course

[blazing condor]

exactly

[lusty grotto]

str tooltips are fucking weird as shit

[daring marlin]

pfffft editing posts

git gud

[blazing condor]

lazy typing : P

[daring marlin]

smol breen

[lusty grotto]

it should say IP amounts instead of parry

[blazing condor]

thats why i play warr

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[daring marlin]

me no need block rocks

me take shot to 4head

gud warr

[blazing condor]

dumb question number three is impassive visage better than resounding protection : s

[daring marlin]

It is

[blazing condor]

i think so too but i cant rememebr shit

[sand egret]

there's arguments for both

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you want

[daring marlin]

You can just look at it and tell it is.

I don’t see any situation where IV wouldn’t be better.

[soft kindle]

IV is more overall healing

[blazing condor]

i noticed i got RP on two pieces already

[soft kindle]

RP is better if you don't want to get one shot

and it's better for dots

[sand egret]

but RP is more upfront mitigation against pack start

[daring marlin]

man

[blazing condor]

so better take IV

[oblique hull]

First time post but thought I’d throw it in here for giggles! I’ve only done m+ and a bit of lfr! Sunday I thought fuck it... joined hc uldir as fury... tank left so I went prot... killed fetid first time just following dbm prompts... it was only afterwards I was told that was supposed to be hard from “us” am I missing something? Thought it was quite fun tbh! Anyway back to my voyeur status

[daring marlin]

If you’re gonna get one-shot on warrior...

prot obviously

I like resounding for dps

[blazing condor]

@oblique hull if you time your shield blocks and stuff right you dont take super high damage but depending on gear it does hurt a bit

[sand egret]

haha @oblique hull that's the story of prot

[lusty grotto]

doesn't seem like you've been lurking for long 😃

[soft kindle]

Prot's actually very good on Fetid haha

[sand egret]

a whole bunch of good play followed by a bunch of wait.... 🤔

[soft kindle]

ofc it's only heroic, so realistically any tank can handle it with relative ease,

[lusty grotto]

in summary, people think that because bad warriors do bad, warriors are in trouble. We need more utility in M+, that's it, so it snowballs into thinking that warriors are somehow in a bad shape in raids.... which makes no sense

that mixed with World First guilds not running warriors etc

[oblique hull]

Don’t get me wrong gcd was a pain in the arse but still do able... need to stop looking at forums and just enjoy warrior life again

[daring marlin]

Near the beginning of the expac I had a healer compliment me on the last boss of kings’ rest +12 cuz apparently I didn’t eat shit like every other tank they’ve had

shit was whack

[soft kindle]

rofl

that boss trucks on tyran

but it's all phys

[daring marlin]

not us I guess

blade combo blocks baby

[soft kindle]

so warrior can deal with it really well

exactly

block his combo, no prob

[daring marlin]

yeh

[oblique hull]

Yeah I’m 368 with zero uldir gear so about right for hc

[primal crypt]

[oblique hull]

Zero “azerite” uldir gear***

[lusty grotto]

yikes no RA

[daring marlin]

355+ is about right for hc uldir

[astral crystal]

obama

[daring marlin]

:p

[oblique hull]

Haha even better lol

[daring marlin]

THANKS OBAMMER

[oblique hull]

I’m new to this!

[daring marlin]

Welcome to hell, kiddo!

@prisma crane BE HONEST

[hushed cobalt]

Ravager eh, with that lions trinket would give me 67% party

Parry*

[daring marlin]

Even you’re excited for tomorrow!

[lusty grotto]

MEMEBUILD

[hushed cobalt]

I shalllearn from the memeest

[oblique hull]

“Forum” I was prot in vanilla this is my original toon! Love that guy!!! Tomorrow? Or Wednesday?

[astral crystal]

67% party sound sabout right

[hushed cobalt]

Would you say, in m+ that you can get 2 avatars in ~1min45sec?

If i macro lions to avatar i can clap crittier

[lusty grotto]

without AM

just look at the timers lol

[hushed cobalt]

O sizzle forgot AM and ravager on same row

[lusty grotto]

👍

[daring marlin]

weak baby warrior

tch!

[sand egret]

I wouldn't macro those together, personally

even if they did line up every time

[hushed cobalt]

My weird mouse has a button for top equipped trink

[lusty grotto]

Blade do not disrupt the memebuilder

[hushed cobalt]

Now that i lost the bandaids

[daring marlin]

Blade is a force of nature

you will not contain them

!!!!!!!

[signal plover]

In that, if printed on paper, his words would ruin many trees

[lusty grotto]

i can, with a good pic of my transmog

😉

[sand egret]

We are Legion.

but, i missed the meme part of your statement, tbh

[lusty grotto]

my transmog pics are illidan to the blade lgion

[hushed cobalt]

Force of nature is a techy cleaning solution. I know this because someone in my house bought it >_>

[long tinsel]

How important is getting my parse up as a prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

we are tanks so technically it's not

but... for M+ you do need good dps to make timers so it's kind of important

[long tinsel]

Even when im trying to maximize my dmg ?

For fights like zul and M+

[lusty grotto]

for raids it's not important honestly

i mean

i guess it could be if your raid dps is lacking

[prisma crane]

@daring marlin I've barely played at all. But I'll check it out. I'm just enjoying other stuff lately. Hopefully we'll see big improvements in perception but we'll see

[soft kindle]

Why are you trying to maximize Zul damage lol

[long tinsel]

Cleave adds

[soft kindle]

Only boss damage matters on Zul tho

[lusty grotto]

depends on the strat

and if M or HC

[long tinsel]

Yeah but still have to cleave and as a tank I'm gonna spam revenge tclap

[soft kindle]

I mean yeah, but you don't need to maximize damage for that

[lusty grotto]

bootyclapping is just dps padding

[soft kindle]

Just hitting Tclap on cd will more than hold aggro

[lusty grotto]

at least on that fight

[long tinsel]

Right

[lusty grotto]

your dps there is not as important

so dps parses do not matter

[long tinsel]

So pretty much only in M+?

[lusty grotto]

they could matter to you personally, but it's just padding so yeah

what i'm saying is that it's not a big deal

not sure if you're following

[long tinsel]

Yes I am

[soft kindle]

Parsing is only really a thing for dps

[lusty grotto]

looking at dps on high lvl keys is good sure

low lvl keys 🤷

[daring marlin]

@soft kindle how dare u

[soft kindle]

wat

[lusty grotto]

whatever helps your team do timers

[long tinsel]

Right that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

lol

how do you know who is it

[long tinsel]

?

[lusty grotto]

Identify yourself @soft kindle

[soft kindle]

ree

[lusty grotto]

wait it's just a hat!

what the fuck

[crystal creek]

dont take advice from strange hats.

[soft kindle]

It's me

😡

I'm stuck like this

apparently, there is a limit

[lusty grotto]

lol

[simple dagger]

so if I got 390 in both pieces but no def crash, I should equip on of my 385 pieces with def crash right? 😄

*375

[lusty grotto]

not after tomorrow

right now sure

dc was worth around 45 ilvls

[hot locust]

Yes you should even after tomorrow.

[soft kindle]

Even after tomorrow, yahg

[hot locust]

It was worth a hell of a lot more than 45.

[soft kindle]

it's still worth more than 15 ilvl

[crystal creek]

boss man says about 15-30 now

[hot locust]

optimistic.

:^)

[lusty grotto]

i dont know... that's a shitton of armor and str

with the vanguard buff

[hot locust]

Thats also almost half the demo shout uptime.

a single piece is not going to make up a 20% DR and 15% damage increase being up almost twice as long.

I guess in single target I could see the potential for it assuming 100% tanking uptime (like fetid non-thrash tanking).

But in a scenario with swaps, or in M+ you will still always want DC even if its 370 next tier.

[supple path]

Wasn't it only worth 45 because more than that and you'd be downgrading to a blue piece without the full trait rings?

[hot locust]

325 still had middle tier rings if I recall.

more than that and yeah it probably didnt.

[worldly sapphire]

Hello Fellow Prot Warriors!!!

[hot locust]

👋

[worldly sapphire]

How's it going @hot locust ?

[hot locust]

im tired, but otherwise excited for tomorrow.

[worldly sapphire]

What happens tomo? 😃

[daring marlin]

nothing

[hot locust]

We are OP

[daring marlin]

punk!

[worldly sapphire]

Not sure we will be op 😄

[hot locust]

Definitely are.

[worldly sapphire]

I guess i will wait for my timezone to see 😄

[soft kindle]

We'll be pretty op

[hot locust]

Could have tested on the ptr repeatedly to find out :^)

[soft kindle]

especially for any physical damage

[worldly sapphire]

I only just dinged my warrior again a week ago

[prisma crane]

bit late to the follow up, but parsing is 100% a thing for tanks as well as dps

[worldly sapphire]

so i haven't been suffering too long

[prisma crane]

tanks that think their only job is to survive are only doing half their job

[crystal creek]

I haven't ran anything real high yet myself, but I'm having a blast with Prot compared to my 370 BrM.

[hot locust]

Depends on the fight and if its the tanks job to actually be doing that damage or not too though.

[lusty grotto]

that's your opinion though

[prisma crane]

well i mean obviously blowing up the adds on zul when them dying hurts ST boss dmg isnt good

but i mean in general

[soft kindle]

As long as you're not fuckin green parsing

doesn't really matter

[prisma crane]

but outside of weird cases where you dont want to kill stuff or you want to wait for certain HP thresholds and timers to align, there's no reason to not do as much dmg as you can

blue parses for tanks are greens for dps

it's not hard to parse as a tank if you have a pulse

[soft kindle]

I didn't say it was

But in comparison to dps

it doesn't really matter

[prisma crane]

the difference between an orange and a blue parse for a tank is pretty massive

you can't tell me that a "free" 2-5k extra dps doesnt matter

[lusty grotto]

it's an opinion

the fact is surviving is your #1 job

[prisma crane]

but it's a binary job and it's not a very difficult one

[lusty grotto]

again

that's your opinion

[crystal creek]

I was always told to "gear enough to survive and when you hit that point, gear for dps"

[prisma crane]

it's true, it also comes down to how you play too

[crystal creek]

and ppls thresholds of survival vary.

[little rain]

19 hours bois.

[uneven mason]

GOod thing we're prot warrior

[crystal creek]

ya remind me to switch my loot spec back.

[prisma crane]

yea but when you have tanks doing less than half the dmg they could be doing then they arent trying very hard

[uneven mason]

and our DPS cooldowns help our survivability as well

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason 8.1 is gonna be wacky for prot I expect

[uneven mason]

Optimal use of those cooldowns

however is yeah, interesting

[neon tangle]

DKs are going to have to gear more for survival / EHP

prot can gear more for dps

which was -already absurd-

even with us turtling

[uneven mason]

Single target we were behind Paladins and VDH

its really only AE

[prisma crane]

we already have our surv talents the same as our dps ones

[uneven mason]

right

[prisma crane]

and gear wise they're the same as well

[uneven mason]

outside of ST

because Devastator is a DPS gain

[prisma crane]

well but that's marginal at best

[uneven mason]

minorly

but marginal is the difference between a purple and orange parsed

[hot locust]

I'd say its a wash between deva and booming

[uneven mason]

Deva gains a bit since IP is off GCD

[prisma crane]

no, that difference is orange to orange, etc

[uneven mason]

you'll almost always be in a posistion to use an extra SS

[hot locust]

deva gains nothing by that

wat

[uneven mason]

anything

[prisma crane]

but you'll also have more globals to use devastate

if anything it's the other way around

[uneven mason]

that used a GCD reduced the value of Devastator

[hot locust]

wat

[uneven mason]

wat

[vocal nimbus]

🤔

[hot locust]

devastator happened no matter the gcd

[uneven mason]

except you'd be cutting into possible SS uses

anytime you had a GCD down~

[hot locust]

IP off gcd helps non-devastator

[uneven mason]

its a wash then

[little rain]

Devastator will def be more viable bc of the DC nerf and the IP off the gcd change, still unsure if and where if it will overtake Booming Voice, personally

[hot locust]

It wont

Booming voice is better because of the rage gen

[lusty grotto]

i think you guys are forgetting there's less extra rage

[hot locust]

not because of dc

[lusty grotto]

oops

[crystal creek]

40 is alot to passup.

[little rain]

I think it might be worth using on ST fights, will have to do a little testing

[vocal imp]

just met a warrior named duskfury

[uneven mason]

Yeah I'm not saying Devastator is worth using

[prisma crane]

and you'll be able to use DS more often since you won't overcap rage in aoe either

[uneven mason]

I'm just saying its still a littlebit more ST DPS

[vocal imp]

from moongaurd

[uneven mason]

than BV

[neon tangle]

@little rain Devastator is -less- viable w/ IP off the GCD

[vocal imp]

anybody know him

[hot locust]

and im saying it isnt even that

[neon tangle]

since you will have more free GCDs to press devastate yourself

[prisma crane]

in pure ST, which almost doesnt exist, and the difference is minor

[uneven mason]

Lala what happened

[hot locust]

its pretty even or if rng swings one way, worse

[uneven mason]

you once were the most staunch defender of Devastator

you had like a foaming at the mouth fit over it being a DPS gain ST

back in beta

[hot locust]

Yeah and then I ran it multiple times this expac :P

[uneven mason]

I Mean it IS a miniscule gain

[neon tangle]

I do wish that devastator was baseline

[uneven mason]

I don't

[neon tangle]

It's the least fun button to press

[hot locust]

Maybe with DC change it can actuallly pull ahead on pure single

[uneven mason]

I wish our filler did something

[neon tangle]

I'd rather have no filler

[uneven mason]

I'd rather have a meaningful button to press every GCD

If you want a tank you can sit on your thumb > BDK

[neon tangle]

way ahead of you on that 😛

[little rain]

How do you figure @neon tangle , with IP off the GCD you have more globals for the shield slams generated by your devastator where are you would otherwise have them often go to waste, especially during avatar windows where we will be in more often as we gain more haste over the expansion. If it was the go-to during the end of legion, I suspect it will gravitate back to that if nothing changes for ST content

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how Gale Force + Deva does

[idle copper]

Hey guys, need some advice . Which should I replace for jess’s howler?

[primal crypt]

YIKES

[lusty grotto]

can't read, try using Windows Key + Shift + S on your computer

the glare

[hot locust]

@little rain our haste is going down in raid next tier, not up.

[lusty grotto]

looks like a JJ movie

oh

i read it now

i'm not gonna answer this question

[neon tangle]

@little rain AFAIK during legion it wasn't competing with BV

[hot locust]

^ it was on a dead tier too

competing with indom and never surrender

[prisma crane]

yea, losing BV is the bigger issue than gaining deva

it's like HR vs AM, HR is great, except it competes against AM

[neon tangle]

It's also not as though devastator will fill up all those extra GCDs with SS

[prisma crane]

prot warrior talents: a lesson in opportunity cost

[cinder nova]

@hot locust Wait what

It's going down???

[lusty grotto]

no RA

so yes

[prisma crane]

that only affects raids though

[lusty grotto]

true

Lala said in raid

so yeah

[cinder nova]

Oh, that.

Few

[little rain]

she just means that we wont have reorigination array

[lusty grotto]

lala sex change!

[primal crypt]

LOL

@hot locust bb

❤

[lusty grotto]

wait are we assuming genders here

[crystal creek]

Prot equality.

[oblique garnet]

Eh 42% haste isnt that low even without RA

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[hot locust]

[primal crypt]

[hot locust]

I do not know how to interpret what has happened to me in this channel now.

[lusty grotto]

haha

[soft kindle]

You're a pretty girl

deal with it

Probably shave, tho

[hot locust]

Yeeeeeah

[primal crypt]

[crystal creek]

:shaveyoself:

[primal crypt]

^

[sand egret]

huh? I just write-in "Prot" when asked what gender if/any I choose to identify with on forms /shrug

[daring marlin]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[primal crypt]

LMAO

YIKES

[soft kindle]

Just

[supple path]

what, no ravager?

[soft kindle]

let him down gently

[little rain]

Looks like a prot bg talent build to me

[crystal creek]

Better mail that guy a tome

[daring marlin]

probably is

he's pvp fury spec too

[little rain]

well there you go

[daring marlin]

I didn't try to shame the guy

nimchimp did

[lusty grotto]

i tried my best

he was nice though

he said cheers when we finished so

at least maybe he'll consider it 😃

i'll take that as a victory

😉

[crystal creek]

I agree. If he's from WYRMrest, he should have dragon roar as a salute to the dragonflight.

[supple path]

He's going to avoid the avatar talent forever now because of you, personally.

Dragon Roar at least is a stronger snare than anything we have so has SOME potential use...I ran into someone using the revenge talent because he wanted to maximize DPS.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

which is why i told him about bolster

[trim bay]

hey guys, this may sound retarded but here goes. should you stack multiple brace for impacts on your azerite gear? or do you only need one?

[lusty grotto]

you can

[soft kindle]

You only need one Deafening Crash. Beyond that, you can get any trait really

[lusty grotto]

2x BFI is good

[soft kindle]

1 DC and one Reorigination array in Uldir

Having more than one BfI is fine, but you don't need any

[lusty grotto]

eh

2x BFI is solid

[trim bay]

Ok cool. Thanks for that.

[little rain]

Depends on your 2ndary/tertiary traits on each piece and the content ur trying to do tbh

[trim bay]

mainly mythic plus atm. do you use the list of icy veins or something similar for the trait priority

[little rain]

Personally I prefer DC + double Archive for M+

The 2ndary and tertiary traits on the archive pieces are suitable as well

The Icy Veins guide is currently a pretty polished resource you can turn to

[lusty grotto]

i'm currently using 2x Archive 1x DC

[little rain]

In general though you do want to ask yourself what content am I doing, what is conducive to that content, and what synergy or counter synergy do some things have with the group that I play with in said content

[lusty grotto]

but BFI is great if you don't have good pieces with archive

[broken kite]

Mythic keys can no longer be deleted

LMAO

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/f2e6355211680088e0a162ed3b97f44c how the fuck did no-one notice this?

[crystal creek]

tons of goodies, 36k instead of 40k azerite for weekly IE.

The cost of using the Azerite Reforging services available in your faction capital has been reset to the base 5 gold. This cost now decays by 50% every 24 hours, down from 72 hours.

[vocal nimbus]

@broken kite is this true? Mythic keys can no longer be deleted

[crystal creek]

It is in the patch notes.

[soft kindle]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

no one beta tests for warriors.

[chrome falcon]

"Each specialization has had one of its Azerite traits replaced with a new one. Details may be found in the Class changes section below.
More new Azerite Traits and armor with a new fifth tier of traits will become available in Season 2 and from Battle of Dazar’alor."

What does this mean

[vocal nimbus]

rip rerolling keys

oof

[chrome falcon]

Do we get one new trait wednesday and another in BFDA?

[soft kindle]

No

One of prot's traits is replaced by a new one

azerite dropped after the new raid is released will have a 5th ring

[chrome falcon]

They said in a forum post recently the new traits come in BFDA

But if the new trait replaces an old one then wtf happens to the old one

[soft kindle]

The new traits come Tuesday, the new ring of traits come in the new raid

The old one goes away

?

Because it was relaced

so it's gone

[chrome falcon]

Ok I get that but

https://gyazo.com/6701863024b92f51b48ff59e9c510eee Explain this

Does this mean we get some new traits now and some with the raid?

[broken kite]

Purgatory no longer clears on death.

Kek

[soft kindle]

Unless they have changes their minds,

the new traits are being added Tuesday

the only traits not being added Tuesday are the ones specifically from the raid

[outer dew]

There's traits being replaced

[neon tangle]

@crystal creek Does that mean I don' t have to do my last normal island expedition

[outer dew]

The extra azerite 5th line. Omes during raid

[chrome falcon]

@soft kindle What raid-specific traits are you referring to?

[crystal creek]

I know right? rejoice.

[soft kindle]

The ones that drop from the new raid

and only from the new raid

[chrome falcon]

Blizz explicitly stated there are no BFDA specific traits

[soft kindle]

🤦

There are no

Reorigination Array system

there are traits

that only come

from the new raid

like archive or LM in Uldir

[chrome falcon]

oh 🤔

[soft kindle]

there's just no RoA

[outer dew]

I'd like a stacking increase damage against Jaina tyvm

[daring marlin]

cram it tofu

idiot

[chrome falcon]

well shit

bastion of might this week huh

gonna have to go restore a bunch of busted old azerite gear

[daring marlin]

If you have pieces with reinforced plating

yes

[astral crystal]

Area damage abilities such as Chain Lightning or Avenger’s Shield can now properly destroy totems or Explosive orbs in Mythic Keystone dungeons if the player targets them directly.

yooooooooooo

hopefully this applies to tittyclap

[daring marlin]

yo

the fuck?

that change is years behind

killing explosive orbs as a prot paladin is fucking garbage

[sand egret]

most likely wont apply to tclap

it's not hte same type of spell

tcap is a localized aoe

[primal crypt]

mythic keystones cant delete

rekt