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primal crypt
just tonight
we kept 2 chesting
all of sudden had two 16s
and now we have 5 x 15s for tomorrow for spam
16 shrine is god awful btw
merry bane
So I do have a question. On the Shark Boss in Freehold, how do you deal with the sharks. the blood doesnt seem to slow them down
primal crypt
have a range take them away from you
I have a hunter in my group that will take it from melee
merry bane
they random target though
lusty grotto
bursting is ez @daring marlin, it's hella hard with pugs though π
merry bane
NIMCHIP! How you doing bud
lusty grotto
hi
im good π
so what i've found is that sharks usually go to the closest target
it's tricky
will be easier next tuesday
so yeah you have someone get closer to them and run out without kiting them close to other people
merry bane
so the blood does nothing
lusty grotto
it slows them for sure
primal crypt
lusty grotto
it will stun them after tuesday or so ive heard... at least for longer than it does now, they kinda stop at the blood
oof nice yamo
primal crypt
Yeah we got two 16s completed and it helped a ton
lusty grotto
nice
primal crypt
We could have chested if we didn't panic on a couple parts
The shrine we did went to complete shit though
oblique garnet
Yamorino the jump from 15->16 is massive
lusty grotto
i actually havent done any 15s and up in BFA
my friends usually just want their 10s done
so we can do up to 12 maybe
i could probably push #2 easily, the other tanks haven't ran anything 15+
just #1 dude has
primal crypt
@oblique garnet yeah, I felt it today
Felt like we had to change up strats or something
Pumping dmg into the boss...felt like we were losing steam
On the 16s
oblique garnet
Yeah we did the exact same route as we did on 15+ which we 2 chested and we only got +1 on 16ml
primal crypt
The trahs felt awesome to kill
Trash, but man, bosses drain your soul
They take forever
oblique garnet
First boss on td 17 felt like it took fucking eternity even with bl
When it took around 3mins
primal crypt
Yup
3 min man....whewwww
The second boss on shrine yikes
Felt like tyrannical hyrja
oblique garnet
The fight is so aids on tyrannical
primal crypt
Last boss, we tried to cheese the whisper
Instead of the dps, I kept getting jt
It*
oblique garnet
Timing shrine is actually horrible with tyrannical
You cant make a single mistake
I mean i guess first boss is w/e but the rest if your group fuck up even once the key is done
Same with kings rest
primal crypt
Yeah
Timer is so tight
Oh, tried 15 underrot too
Gave up on the first boss
Deleted the key
Dps was too low
oblique garnet
You gotta get those spell reflects through
oblique garnet
Ye on the ur you should just move the boss closer to the first add so you can cleave the add down while focusing boss
The blood bolt from the add doesnt do as much as the boss one
So its fine if it gets 1-2 through
oblique garnet
Its the sad truth when youre doing high keys you cant have people who dont do enough dps or underperform if you want to push
dull granite
sorry if this has been asked a million times, but did they revert the deafening crash nerf? Didn't see it in the list of azerite changes
soft kindle
No
sick sentinel
Waking up to this: Vanguard Hardened by battle, your Stamina is increased by 45%, and your armor is increased by 55% 60% of your Strength.
moar please
soft kindle
If prot gets more it's going to get nerfed
tidal holly
did they nerf deafening crash?
shut summit
sick sentinel
i belive it was alreadya a while ago
oblique garnet
Oh baby i broke top 10 eu as a prot
outer dew
Smh
oblique garnet
Oh cmon now tofu dont be sad you will also be accepted into pug keys too : )
oblique garnet
Unnecessary but welcome buff nevertheless
worthy dagger
agreed
soft kindle
It's a stupid nerf
echo granite
where i can see changes
soft kindle
ptr, or ptr notes
raw gyro
you guys running blockades?
soft kindle
If I need to stay alive, sure
outer dew
Blockades gives me mixed feelings on how good it is
raw gyro
even on lower ilevel?
i'm 355 atm can switch blockades with a 355 vial of animated blood
not sure if worth
amber siren
vial would be better dps-wise
but i mean as always, if you're aiming for dps blockades wouldn't be in your short list anyway
carmine nimbus
do you think we gonna see a new warrior soon or like legion blizz will nerf immediately after a big enthusiasm
neon tangle
Well the PTR today was certainly a surprise
tidal holly
nice
carmine nimbus
also nerf to monks is nothing.. to be correct they just need more the IB.. without the IB they lost a big smooth
neon tangle
Well, it also increases their upfront damage taken
carmine nimbus
i have feeling we gonna see the shilded tanks( pala warrior) in a good position
neon tangle
Regardless of how good you are you will still take 3.2% more damage to the face
soft kindle
Which is the main issue with monk atm. A monkey could play it and the only one suffering is the healer
neon tangle
Iβm mainly surprised that the nerf is so tame for monk, so big for BDK
carmine nimbus
if 1 healer y.. but in raid where 4-5 u dont feel it
soft kindle
I mean, the nerf to either barely affects m+
more raid
the monk one is p small, but dk one is a bit stupid tho
carmine nimbus
yeah in raid will be noticable
neon tangle
Like I said earlier, imagine trying to do fetid prog with -18% EHP
runic fractal
370 syringe (vectis trinket) or 370 disc (zek'voz trinket)?
soft kindle
One does more damage the other does a little damage and gives you stats
tidal holly
comment on wowhead below vanguard boost
Warriors are already on the up and up dude. Top tier guilds are already gearing for double Prot Warrior in Dazar'alor.
what guilds are gearing up prot warriors?
vocal nimbus
I guess they have almost all chars of their role geared up
carmine nimbus
@soft kindle come on mate we aint up that high
vocal nimbus
Except dh and druid maybe
soft kindle
what
he asked what top guilds were gearing warriors
the fuck do you mean not up that high
echo granite
they have every tank class 380+
soft kindle
There's no reason to not gear anything that could potentially be strong
a fight that has heavy physical damage will be great for prot, so of course they will gear one
hollow thorn
they have had like months of reclears
soft kindle
Months of reclears and split raids
vivid palm
Just did a +15 Kings but god it was close Healer fell off for the platform for 2nd last boss then DH had dc bug b4 last only made timer by 1.6 seconds
hollow thorn
is this Bado monkaS
vivid palm
Na i just stole his pic and put a hat on it
vivid palm
Yea have +15 in time for everything now, the Kingsrest was the last one
oblique garnet
i still need temple and wm
hollow thorn
i just need KR, almost timed 16 but our tank died to lsat boss 1k overkill with icebound fortitude up
oblique garnet
the last boss does damage? o.O
oblique garnet
Cant really help when teammates keep killing the target with the LS
runic fractal
i got fathoms already, just asking between syringe and disc for 2nd trinket slot
i would assume syringe for raid and disc for dungeon
compact dock
Limit will most likely run bdk/monk then have prot warr/prot pala for some fights. The druid could see light ones but other than that druid and dh wont be used at all
That is coming from maximum himself on stream
oblique garnet
Was this before or after he heard from the bdk nerfs?
compact dock
So yeah, prot warr is good if you are really good at it. Otherwise average
oblique garnet
They will 100% run monk
compact dock
It was 2 days ago
oblique garnet
Ye the bdk nerf was this night so they might change their opinion
oblique garnet
18% nerf to EHP is massive
compact dock
Did i miss it? Link ples
oblique garnet
compact dock
Then I bet prot warr/mon setup is what they bring
Ahh yeh
I hate bdk, such a boring gameply xd
But yeh, this makes for a warr come back since warr needs the least healing as it stands currently
But im stunned they havent buffed guardian druids haha
oblique garnet
Didnt they give guardian like 12% dmg buff or smth?
compact dock
Yy but they need way much mote healing than most tanks
A mon without ironskinbrww needs less healing than a guardian using iron furs and such
Prolly need a small buff to reg and put it off gcd
The gcd locks and these kind of abilities are weird as you are very reactive as tank, esp in m+
tidal holly
isnt ironfur off gcd?
echo granite
no gcd for ironfur
soft kindle
Ironfur is off gcd, FR is on the gcd
steady dragon
HEya, does anyone have a text version of the IP WA in the pins?
when i try to convert the WA in pins it just bugs out
oblique garnet
Anyone here know whats the backfire on the engineering cr?
ionic ridge
Most likely leave you at low health
Or kill you
Which in both cases makes It fun to use as a tank
fallen rose
How good is prot looking in 8.1 I comparison to the other tanks?
sick sentinel
has a real and definite spot in dazar raid
still not as good as brm for new content
improved very much in M+ due to IP coming off the gcd
fallen rose
Sweet as my have been asked to tank 8.1 raid
sick sentinel
you shouldn't have as many problems as you would have had in Uldir then
fallen rose
Cool i need to look into the changes more but i will probly wait till the rest when they are in the game
autumn cosmos
aight so
autumn pendant
@sick sentinel from the latest looks brm will have harder time in new raid (info from people that play it not straight from me)
autumn cosmos
366 warr, using dooms fury cause i got jack shit all, with fathoms, i do like 10k average in m10's and 12k~ in shit below 7s
yet
skittish seems to completely fuck me
astral crystal
how are brm going to have it harder?
autumn cosmos
as a dk i can just grip for extra taunting, no issue
whats the trick here
first warrior alt
astral crystal
they just have to keep isb up, wonit be able to tank bosses with just stagger
autumn cosmos
im hitting thunder clap on cd yeah
i make sure i have a damage CD up for every pack as well
either trink or avatar
just doesnt seem to be doing much
astral crystal
@autumn cosmos depends on your group as well; demon hunters and arms warrs going ham every pack will probably result in a few moments of stabilizing aggro
autumn cosmos
yeah i suppose, like, this dudes 366 so i guess once i hit closer to 385 like the dps in my party ill have an easier time
astral crystal
alternatively, just plan ahead
sick sentinel
I'm curious as to how they've nerfed BRM
autumn cosmos
but i figured with 10k~ total damage it shouldnt have been that big a deal
astral crystal
if you know youre going to pull 3 packs at once, make sure you haev avatar up for it
sick sentinel
BRM is the king of unknown damage patterns
soft kindle
They nerfed Brm because of the stagger change in bfa
sick sentinel
at this point it seems almost required for very high rank CE progression
astral crystal
@sick sentinel they offloaded a little bit more mit on isb, reduced some basic stagger
it just means that they have to have isb up to continue mitigating disgusting amounts of dmg
which isn't really an issue
astral crystal
exactly
the nerf is just a jab at situations like the fetid log
not htat it'll change much anyway
i think the difference in isb mit is like 3%
it's base stagger that took a hit
which isn't that significant anyway
soft kindle
Stagger is affected by gear
is another reason
It will have to be gradually reduced again, most likely
astral crystal
yeah, like ironfur in ToS
mellow quartz
stagger went from like 85 to 82% which means nothing lol
mellow quartz
let me rephase, it changes nothing in terms of what makes them the best prog raid tanks
grizzled garnet
I keep ISB up most of the time anyway
astral crystal
leave this place, heathen
oblique garnet
@outer dew 17 FREEHOLD lesgo
grizzled garnet
Was Pally/Monk...8.0...Going Monk/Warr 8.1 w/ Pally in case its better flr a fight
For*
sick sentinel
i'm stilll trying 2 get a shield
astral crystal
speaking of
is there a shield drop in dazaralor?
ah yeah, from frida and the water elemental at the docks
oblique garnet
Atleast when the new raid comes you can just spam +10s for 400 ilvl gear :^)
errant wing
do you think they will increase the difficulty of m+ with the new raid
dull coral
Wait, are there no chest pieces in the game with deafening crash?
oblique garnet
There is?
oblique garnet
yeah probably not and you cant even get azerite pieces from m+ cache after next reset anyways
dull coral
You can target them with currency next week though
astral crystal
hold on to your currency
oblique garnet
Not gonna waste my residum for a minor upgrade at this point
astral crystal
for the s2 pieces
oblique garnet
cant wait for infested to be removed
astral crystal
im not particularly excited about reaping
mellow quartz
if you dont need pieces now then hold on to it but if you dont have 385 then probably no point holding on to the currency
they are probably going to up the cost and rewards for new gear in 8.1 by a factor of 10x
dull coral
^
mellow quartz
so what you get now is minor only
dull coral
Any currency you save up now will be almost negligible
astral crystal
of course they will substantially increase the cost, they already said so
still we dont know how much we're getting
dull coral
Yes, but the amount you get AND need to buy s2 pieces will be way higher than we get/need in s1
oblique garnet
apparently it was like 12 or smth from 370 piece and you need 670 for 385 targeted
dull coral
Like we might get 10 currency in our chest tomorrow and the pieces might cost 50 currency, in s2 we might start getting 100 currency and the pieces might cost 500 currency
Suddenly our 10 currency is very worthless
astral crystal
yeah if it's 10 then fuck it
dull coral
idk the actual values atm, but they said they would "increase" it in s2, and they did a factor of 10 I think in legion
dull coral
Yeah, but if its like the legion legendary currency pretty much no matter what you do now it won't mean much
primal crypt
So...I wonder if emissary will still give azerite pieces
oblique garnet
they will
primal crypt
That's good
dull coral
Like saving the 6 weeks of currency between 8.1 release and raid release might get you 1 weeks worth of currency post raid release
primal crypt
For alts and what not
astral crystal
iirc it's 385 now, @primal crypt
oblique garnet
its not
astral crystal
i recall seeing a ss
oblique garnet
it will scale up to 400 when the new raid comes
oblique garnet
yes
primal crypt
Nice
oblique garnet
410 is what +10 will reward you with on weekly cache and 400 baseline from +10
soft kindle
It is advisable if a piece is a large upgrade to buy it Wednesday
assuming you're still pushing m+ or progging Uldir
primal crypt
I still think the azerite vendor isn't going to make us happy
oblique garnet
I take it over the rng bs weekly chance to roll one decent azerite gear
soft kindle
Like @dull coral the currency price jump will be large enough to negate, easily, spending a small chunk now
oblique garnet
670 isnt exactly a small chunk
soft kindle
The vendor probably won't be perfect, I expect some bullshit
but it'll be better than what we've had
oblique garnet
if the 370 piece gives 12 residum
soft kindle
Compared to the initial ptr pricing of the 415 gear, 675 is change
oblique garnet
specific piece will take eternity
but if you are fine with targetting random it wont take that long i think
astral crystal
the vendor is azerite only, right?
bitter willow
Is this system explained simply somewhere?
astral crystal
@bitter willow blizzard hasn't explained anything clearly this expac, that's why there's so much confusion
soft kindle
Yeah, vendor is azerite only
I have a pretty decent grasp @bitter willow of how it's been set up so far, do you have a specific question
primal crypt
So the weekly chest only includes titan currency? Or is there still a chance for other pieces still
oblique garnet
System explained simply : You have a vendor that sells azerite pieces 355-370-385-400-415 You can choose a random, specific etc Specific and higher ilvl costs more, you get currency from scrapping azerite pieces
It will drop other pieces just not azerite
bitter willow
@soft kindle No, but thanks. WAs just wondering if there was a "starter guide" on the system π
astral crystal
currency and piece, just no azerite @primal crypt
bitter willow
And am I seeing that we're getting another extra 5% armor from str with latest patch?
primal crypt
Good to hear
astral crystal
no chance at azerite gear**
primal crypt
I can still get the same run speed cloak then for the 4th time lol
astral crystal
or the same wrists :^)))
primal crypt
Oh that too
oblique garnet
or the same shitty tol dagor ring for 2 weeks in a row
primal crypt
Love it
astral crystal
imagine if they let you target specific gear overall Kreygasm
no more shield struggle
oblique garnet
It would be better if at the end of m+ dungeon you would get currency
primal crypt
They really should add a non duplicate code to the chest
Would make me feel better
Then we would have the same gear drop every other week at least
soft kindle
You'd think
at least if a duplicate drops, it has to be some way better
+5, socket, leech
anything
oblique garnet
one of my guild mates has gotten ring 8 weeks in a row
stark hill
Howβs prot looking in 8.1 now? Havenβt kept up with all the ptr changes
hollow thorn
Good
vocal nimbus
Good
soft kindle
Strong
ember arrow
Top
bitter willow
trying to make sur ei get the gist of it : our real improvements come from blocking throw/shots and IP being off GCD, right?
Rest (armor and health) is just buffing our current str and don't make up for weaknesses
soft kindle
a ton more armor and hp, lower SB recharge
bitter willow
i.e. Zul will still rape me
bitter willow
I thought we were already good at taking enraged thrash?
soft kindle
5% hp and 10% armor is p sizable
primal crypt
no no
ember arrow
Even if bfa was the pinnacle of content. With current class design.. nope
ember arrow
Youre not even on same region as me. Whats the difference lol
primal crypt
lel
primal crypt
bleh
crimson sentinel
There are already legion private servers
oblique garnet
@outer dew woop woop 17 on time
The power shot does insane damage on tyrannical wth can it actually be blocked on 8.1?
on Freehold
signal rune
was wondering the same about last boss TD's abilities
esp. Deadshot, that would be insane
soft kindle
rofl
oblique garnet
There was a shieldfrom an emissary on eu horde atleast
sick sentinel
im na
sick sentinel
@soft kindle teach me prot NAO
soft kindle
LOL
sick sentinel
i have dc
1x360 DC 2x385 archive @soft kindle
i have 2 days to get full 99 in heroic/norm with prot
soft kindle
Probably a good idea to start there rofl
sick sentinel
cant wait to be able to actually react to multiple sources of damage with IP
@soft kindle cookie cutter raid talents
1223x11?
o wait
warcraftlogs
sick sentinel
im here for padding
smoky oak
Abrodus 2.0
sick sentinel
11k dps is #1 on normal taloc for prot
that's pretty tight
#7 did it with test of might
crimson sentinel
#1 spots in normal :π€
soft kindle
Because it's a pro-active spec
sick sentinel
i dont want these buttons
ember arrow
wow mobile
vestal moat
So we are getting +10% armor from live now with friday's buff? and 5% stam?
soft kindle
Correct
tiny mason
this look big improvement, correct?
soft kindle
Also correct
soft kindle
You make me sad
sick sentinel
why
oblique garnet
Oh nice im getting decent keys 17 WM 18 atal
sick sentinel
i didnt use avatar
soft kindle
wat
oblique garnet
??
crimson sentinel
lol
Also u are never going to get #1 in any of the bosses
cause all top logs are cheesed
sick sentinel
yea i dont want #1
im just thinking it's funny that ppl have like
rank 7 with arms traits
oblique garnet
I dont think many people run normal at this point
sick sentinel
yo i love prot now
supple path
Those sites are really odd about traits - like half of my prot logs out there think I'm wearing my arms gear.
At least it's super common on raider.io.
sick sentinel
finally got a 99 on fetid @soft kindle
soft kindle
McYeeters
sick sentinel
47% haste with roa
https://i.imgur.com/Dv8VeTC.png !!! @soft kindle bigger shield acquired
open bluff
Vector Deflector is gg
sick sentinel
not as good as ghuun shield
but it'll do
also whoever i was talking to before
i figured out how to get this thingy
topaz ember
Don't see this in the pins but maybe i'm blind
sick sentinel
pog
reef tendon
alright guys, just got word that our prot pally is going hunter next tier and i'm now going to be tanking
time to switch my dps traits over to prot to live the dream
dense pivot
reef tendon
he seems to like hunter, plus we are super melee heavy atm so it will help with that
steady dragon
is there a good way of checking the % uptime on my shieldblock while holding aggro?
soft kindle
% of hits mitigated, probably
soft kindle
Yee, you right
@steady dragon damage taken-mouse over damage source (boss melee or w/e) and it will show blocked hit %
lusty summit
so im lvl 84 now guys and the magic hits 9k kill me as fuck .. the heals have big probs to heal ... is it right ?
soft kindle
wtf
@lusty summit Ignore pain+Spell replect
defensives
pray
leveling is usually scuffed
@astral crystal you're a vile deceiver and temptress
lusty summit
ok ty @soft kindle
astral crystal
:^)
steady dragon
cheers ^&^
ancient reef
AtticuswToday at 2:39 PM
Anger Management now affects Shield Block
PTR HAPPENING
is thatl egit
ancient reef
i got trolled
soft kindle
@astral crystal say sorry
astral crystal
primal crypt
coral dew
Wait what
ancient reef
you think prot will beat out monk in m+
soft kindle
π€¦
soft kindle
in m+? depends on the dungeon
and to an extent, the comp
Overall, without specific cases
no
vocal nimbus
i'd say no, only because of the utility
ancient reef
brm dps ever get any better
sick sentinel
prot will beat out monk for speedclearing
ancient reef
so all i do in warcraft is hop around tanking pugh m+ on varous tanks got 5 ofem at 120
just got my brm up and its fun i dont die but is really boring
war is the most fun
ancient reef
reminds me alot of prot pally
soft kindle
Don't play guardian levo?
astral crystal
m+ tanks ranked bdk > brm > prot warr
ancient reef
i do
ancient reef
it was my favorite before bfa
ancient reef
i actually tanked in vanilla with the old 21/30 feral/resto spec
astral crystal
spaghetti grip
soft kindle
yeesh. dunno
sick sentinel
vanilla tanking as guardian was gud with dire maul gear
soft kindle
guardian still kind of flops over
sick sentinel
bring back legion guardian
soft kindle
Bring back SoO guardian
ancient reef
guardians should be like huge sponges
sick sentinel
guardians should be able to take damage imo
ancient reef
yeah also
ancient reef
why the fuck is a bear so timid
sick sentinel
so they should take no dmg
ancient reef
its a damn bear
sick sentinel
there's 2 possible ways for a bear
squishy but fierce
literally "my fur is iron"
oblique garnet
Did they rate raid tanks yet?
oblique garnet
For next tier?
oblique garnet
DK discord is going nuts about the boneshield nerf tho
sick sentinel
whats the nerf
sturdy sable
yeah its alot of doom and gloom lol
sturdy sable
they are loosing about 18% ehp due to bone shield only giving 40% increase to armour now
oblique garnet
the 5% nerf to will of the necropolis doesnt help it either
soft kindle
Yah
astral crystal
it's not a nerf though wtf
sturdy sable
i read that they wont have enough ehp to off tank fetid anymore
astral crystal
wat
sturdy sable
just scuttlebut i read on the blood discord im not 100% sure
oblique garnet
10% armor buff for warriors is gonna feel gucci in couple of days
with all the other changes
astral crystal
jesus maximum seems like a huge prick
sick sentinel
really?
I havent' seen anything bad about maximum
but xyronic is lul
not even in limit tho
oblique garnet
I watched maximum try to show off on his warrior during necrotic week and he just fell into the community perception prot warrior category
astral crystal
streamers do it for the viewership
sick sentinel
why did xyro go eu
astral crystal
hehe check it out guys :)))
smoky oak
to join future
astral crystal
i think it's because he wanted to stream prog
probably a matter of building his brand
still dont know why limit doesnt want to stream
even if WoW is a dead game the world 1st uldir race was hype
sick sentinel
cus they know watching method was pog :^)
soft kindle
Well, after they threw away Uldir, I imagine their main focus is purely on trying to win Siege
sick sentinel
dont need sound to rip strats
supple path
Man, that feeling when you're using a 370 weapon, finish a +10, a weapon drops...says upgrade!...and is indestructible.
Indestructible is such a tease.
astral crystal
sloot doing 18 fh on his prot boi
lusty summit
i hope the tank meta will be changing in high keys
lavish oracle
Are the K-values for M+ changing for season 2, do we know?
soft kindle
I doubt it will @lusty summit
uneven mason
assuming not, since there isn't a difficulty increase iirc just ilvl scaling, difficulty will probably roll in with 8.2
or 8.1.5
with the ilvl cap increase
lavish oracle
Ah, thought they were increasing difficulty but maybe I was misinformed
lusty summit
you think brew and dks will still the best for high keys?
soft kindle
Yes
lusty summit
mh so sad... will be cool when other tanks get a spot
soft kindle
I mean, the difference is minimal
hollow thorn
If the DK nerf goes thru, i think monks will surpass DKs in M+
uneven mason
Until BDK loses grip/mass grip the answer to "is BDK best for M+" will always be best
BDK being best has 0 to do with their EHP
has 100% to do with pull control
soft kindle
Dk and monk will be pushing the equivalent of what is currently 20-22, warrior and pally probably 19-20, and dh/druid will be around 17-19
lusty summit
i want a sec tank .. main warri, and i dont know which class i should take druid or monk .. monk is hard to master π
uneven mason
yeah, so hard to master
hollow thorn
Monk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Druid
uneven mason
"press ISB on CD, make sammiches, watch netfix"
steel mauve
i find druid to be incredibly boring
soft kindle
Monk has a low skill ceiling
hollow thorn
you can literally afk and be better than DKs for fetid lol
hollow thorn
Not with the nerf
soft kindle
Dunno how they're going to handle enraged thrash
lusty summit
im interested at monk but with the stagger stuff ... i dont know if this makes fun
soft kindle
we'll have to see
sick sentinel
the only reason I would ever play BRM is because the time my guild raids it the time I get hungry, so I can eat while tanking
uneven mason
Monk and druid are both boring as hell
hollow thorn
but monk is strong and druid is shit, so u go BrM
vocal nimbus
monks at m+ are hella fun
soft kindle
druid takes the damage of a dk and has the healing of a warrior
uneven mason
Not saying druids can't tank mythic raids, but if I had to pick a tank that was more fun than warrior I'd play a Rogue
lusty summit
π
steel mauve
the cd on enraged regen is so fucking long >.>
lusty summit
so i should go brm
hollow thorn
Between monk and druid, yes
uneven mason
I mean, druids are pretty easy to heal
lusty summit
whats with bdk ? is it fun ?
hollow thorn
unless u want to be a burden
lusty summit
so it shouldnt be boring so
uneven mason
BDK is fun, its harder to play than people think, more forgiving than warriors, but its quite a reversal
lusty summit
dont want to type and then go afk :D:D:DD
uneven mason
BDK are basically 100% Reactive
hollow thorn
Its like the disc priest of tanks
uneven mason
Warrior 100% proactive
uneven mason
BDK high health low armor, you have open GCDs where you're literally doing nothing
zinc creek
Bdk feels like holy priest lul
hollow thorn
Thinking how u need to know when dmg is coming and setup for it with RP etc
uneven mason
because you need runes to regen or you'd waste death strike healing etc
Warrior you're GCD capped
lusty summit
I like the Prot atm only the magic dmg probs not but with 8.1 , i think we are fine then ... and yeah i would a second tank π ..
zinc creek
The range block would be so nice can't wait
soft kindle
Play fury then
uneven mason
You get out of here HEATHEN
sick sentinel
Should all just go arms tbh
lusty summit
want 2 tanks ... for switch
soft kindle
uneven mason
π‘
lusty summit
now im interested on bdk too ... ty mactier !!! XD
zinc creek
I was planning to level a bdk but then prot buffs are nice and bdj got nerfed so.
lusty summit
but i dont think the nerf will be so hard
soft kindle
Still think the dk nerfs are fuckin stupid
sick sentinel
BfA is the first expac I mained tank, ever and it is a very nice change of pace after dpsing for 10 years
lusty summit
so thats good for me ... m+ bdk and raid/m+ my protwarri ... np for me xDDDDDD
small tendon
Better help others tanks to catch up in mm+ with some utility spells
lusty summit
you tank with bdk too or only prot ? @soft kindle
steel mauve
meth is a dps π
lusty summit
oh nvm π
daring marlin
@soft kindle Nerfs are always stupid.
worthy dagger
how dare you guys speak of bdks here[
uneven mason
Totally jsut finished getting my BDK read yfor mythic as well, RL is like "So uh, you're staying on your warrior right?"
kidding, he fucking is really butthurt about the DK nerfs cause he's a DK
chrome falcon
me to literally everyone in my raid team on wednesday:
oblique garnet
Tfw my raid leader insists that dk will be better than warrior on raid
chrome falcon
there's probably some fight where you really want a grip so a dk will be nice to have
but i think warriors are just going to be brick walls
signal plover
Just have a meme DK alt for one boss
daring marlin
@chrome falcon LOL
merry bane
its got 52 crit 132 haste
nova rover
Whats a good base haste? Im at 18%
merry bane
and just got my heroic Gridrunner to drop
sick sentinel
@Grimmy#2893 be on the rocks
For intermission
Good damage it goes like
Living weapon x2
And then he spawns a third
But you ignore the third
Because the boss will intermission
fierce jackal
Technically good damage skips second weapon now, also none of those are "prot tricks" smh
simple kiln
Aye
sick sentinel
So prot viable in 8.1???? Any new note worthy Azerite traits coming?
primal crypt
nah
nova rover
Havent found any notes, but are they upgrading the decks?
sick sentinel
I checked the pins before asking, could only find older pins about the buffs but nothing stating if that combined with new azerite traits would amount to anything
- natural ilvl increase
tight tree
expecting last second ninja buffs for prot and ninja nerfs for BM and BDK, that would be awesome
Vengeance need a buffs as well
vocal imp
well vanguard 45%health 60%armor now
stone crag
blood already got hit hard with a nerf
tight tree
Don't think that is hard really π But harder than BM. BM will not notice any change at all.
stone crag
ofc
zinc mauve
friendly reminder that this week is EZ mode for prot warriors, if you arent pushing you arent alive
tight tree
At this point i care more about multithreading in 8.1 tbh, having 15 fps during Uldir bosses is tiresome.
Oh need to do my weekly m+, if guildies care enough.
fierce juniper
Made a WeakAura that I figured some people might find helpful considering the change to Deafening Crash.
zinc mauve
is there any reason you shouldn't use thunderclap tho?
tight tree
@fierce juniper π
zinc creek
nice one thanks @fierce juniper
tight tree
thanks!
fierce juniper
np
@zinc mauve
Main thing is that if you currently haven't extended your Demo Shout cast by the max of 6 seconds, then TClap is your highest priority. If you have, then you go back to the "main" ability priority.
zinc mauve
makes sense to me
also im curious; I've noticed a few high pushing prot warriors using Rezan's eye, assuming all trinkets are the same ilvl (asides fathoms), do you think its one of the best passive dps trinkets for a prot warrior?
i cant test myself cause i have yet to get one this deep in the expansion even after countless rerolls
tight tree
Thunderclap feels good to use, so they should bake all other abilities into it anyway π€
fierce juniper
It's hard to say whether or not it's one of the best for dps, since we don't really have working sims, but assuming equal item level it is definitely one of the best trinkets for general survivability or if you're looking for a trinket that has a good mix between DPS and survivability.
zinc mauve
I see; I've just been a bit noodled because I've been comparing myself with Sense, on equivilant keys he pulls like 5-8k more dps than me pretty consistently
i presume its the trinket in tandem with the fact he's pulling bigger than me
i also need to make a weak aura or something that yells at me when i use shield block during bolster
tight tree
just use Marok's block aura
tight tree
It shows either bolster or block, so you see icon=you no press block
zinc mauve
mostly going for some Pavlov style negative reinforcement
tight tree
π
I do it myself when i press it during bolster (muscle memory fails)
I just scream at myself IRL
Compared to BM play snoozefest that is refreshing
zinc mauve
theres only one big difference between me and Sense's gear asides from trinket
he has a mythic uldir shield, im stuck with a heroic one
tight tree
Well also the fact he is Sense π
But in warrior's case it is also the group, how big of a pull you can afford/how good healers/DPS are = more big pulls = more DPS
Thing he do in m+ i could never do with my guild groups = noone tryhards m+, everyone is raider mostly, cant pull as big
zinc mauve
oh, his shield is only barely better than mine lol
tight tree
Got changed from kite duty to crushers duty on mythic Zul yesterday on my brewmaster, fight went from nervous wreck to afk watch netflix in a seconds ;/
sick sentinel
yo guys i recently started playing prot in m+ and i keep loosing aggro and my biggest problem is at the pull of trashpacks im struggeling so hard the get the aggro (if Avatar is on CD) is it cuz my dps are badbois and doing so much dmg? or just skittish?
lusty grotto
you shouldn't lose agro if you're specced correctly
ionic fern
Can be both, can't say for sure. In general you shouldn't have issues even without Avatar unless the DPS'ers are blowing CD's and/or are a lot higher ilvl than you are.
lusty grotto
and if you are bootyclapping as you should
avatar shouldn't be on CD for a lot of time, that looks like it might be bad rage + AM management
also make sure you have DC
because if you don't oof
sick sentinel
@ionic fern thats the case im 345 and my mates 360+
@lusty grotto whats bootyclapping ? as a warrior?
lusty grotto
avatar + thunderclap spam with UF
what are your talents?
let me clarify: avatar + thunderclap spam + BV Demo Shout
that's what we call bootyclapping or π’ π΅ π in here
sick sentinel
avatar is roughly every second trash pack on cooldown cuz of high dps (it was an +8 key)
outer dew
what ilvl is your wepaon?
lusty grotto
and once again are your talents correct? just curious
lusty grotto
they are correct
outer dew
what dps do you have?
sick sentinel
rouge bm and forst dk
lusty grotto
i'm assuming no logs
sick sentinel
nah no logs
lusty grotto
well if it is an ilvl issue, that could be easily fixed with Tricks
you have a rogue after all
what trinkets do you have?
also traits other than DC
sick sentinel
i have shitty trinkets i got the spy glass with crit and the loa strengh proc trinket ( didnt get any better one)
lusty grotto
hmm
sick sentinel
damn it im dumb the tricks from the rouge might help alot
lusty grotto
you shouldn't need it but if the ilvl differs a lot then sure
what are your traits though
sick sentinel
i sec i have to look it up
1x iron frotress and 2x bloodsport ( as i said i only got 345 ilvl not optimized but i was wondering if i was my fault my gear /mates)
lusty grotto
you have no DC
outer dew
his lack of DC
lusty grotto
you need DC
lusty grotto
it should be, its a longer demo shout
with is more dmg
and more TC dmg
that's double dipping into TC dmg alone
sick sentinel
right now at the start of a trash pull i spam TC and revenge to get/hold aggro and use taunt on cd
lusty grotto
no revenges unless they are free or if you're rage capped
sick sentinel
and i know thats fail
lusty grotto
use IP
you start trash with avatar -> tc -> demo shout -> tc -> then whatever -> tc -> whatever -> tc and so on
outer dew
i mean
lusty grotto
and you do need DC
lusty grotto
tofu i'm only saying it cause people make rookie mistakes
it's obviously gonna differ a lot when you know what to do
sick sentinel
dumb question but whats IP ( im from austria and play it in german)
sick sentinel
ohhhhh
lusty grotto
DC (deafening crash - which you absolutely need)
ionic fern
I still got mine on 355 shoulders. π¦
lusty grotto
you still don't have 370 emmisaries?
ionic fern
It is, just got chest yesterday out of it.
sick sentinel
which traits should i get ? 1 DC and?
lusty grotto
look at the icyveins guide 
but you need 1 DC
after tuesday, DC isn't as required, but it will be one of the top still
as it is today DC is worth around 45 ilvls
that will change after tuesday's patch
sick sentinel
ok ill try to do these things and hopefully i can get aggro with that :)
thanks for the tipps πΊπ¬
lusty grotto
np
if you keep losing agro try to log your runs and we can help you out
after you do your adjustments i mean
me sleep, its 2:45am π
zinc mauve
Ranged block PogChamp
ionic fern
Get fucked Queen Patlaa.
zinc mauve
throw rocks? more like, throwing socks cause they do no damage
too bad magic still fucks us up but hey, cant have everything
tight tree
socks do smell bad
zinc mauve
true
tight tree
but we are warriors so we smell worse
zinc mauve
rip
i have ptsd from my tol dagor key yesterday, told my group that we didnt want to pull this one room, pull it anyway; 4 casters, all of them cast fireball on me at the same time, I reflect them all once but the second time it instagibs me
50-70k damage per fireball lmao
ionic fern
What about your AoE stun for one cast and fear interrupt for another?
Easy 3 casts survived.
raven kernel
What about dps interrupts
ionic fern
And that.
merry cave
Shield wall for another
wide girder
What packs? Before the rooftop?
neon tangle
Just use lockpicks
Only takes lvl 1 of the profession to use them
And the inscription ones are pretty cheap on the AH
soft kindle
Rogue is significantly quicker, but yee
neon tangle
Wayyy faster for opening all the doors leading up to Jes
Worth it still in explosive or necrotic weeks
manic perch
how do you deal with his brother do you delay interrupt on him?