protection

[astral crystal]

ip off the gcd and sb cooldown reduced by 2 secs

[sick sentinel]

@errant oriole prot is very punishing, like 1 mistake and you might die

But 0 mistakes and you are a 4rth dps

@worthy dagger if you consider raiding, activating jes will switch temporarily your array to vers probably and that is something to consider

You can take a huge hit with it and be very, very fine

Like activating jes for zul bleed or mythax essense sear

[rough egret]

does azerite veins stack?

[bronze lantern]

the healing component does

[primal crypt]

good morning friends 😄

what a beautiful saturday morning

no hangovers

question tho, why are mages so bad on dmg?

I love their utility, but it's like boomies, dmg is hit or miss

[woeful otter]

WHy don't we clip shield block since both cooldowns can run in parallel?

[brittle marlin]

Yamo: Really depends on the player. Mate is playing Frost and can wipe the floor against other high dmg speccs. But really depends on the proccs he gets. And if he lines up the CDs correctly.

[signal rune]

fire mage is on of the highest dpsers

dont play with shits

[daring marlin]

I wonder how much titan residuum we'll get in that weekly chest

🤔

[steady hawk]

@woeful otter while its true you dont lose any SB time from overlapping its more about wanting that second charge to block an important incomming hit like for example if you are the second tank on fetid devourer, if you time your SB to be up for the terrible thrash you take significantly less damage.

[fringe raft]

so what traits are we gona be looking at in 8.1???

[astral crystal]

the same prob

• bastion of might

triple bloodsport les go

[next ermine]

I was running triple Bloodsport awhile ago and it was pretty nice tbh

[sand egret]

i wanna join team bloodsport, mostly out of curiousity

[primal crypt]

bloodsport is going to be insane

AV + IV

all the things

[ember arrow]

Its official

Bdk lost armor from boneshield. #protection got the last laugh

:salute

[ancient reef]

say what

[ember arrow]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/compare/552eada78743...5f08719bc6bd

[lusty summit]

Hey guys i would like to do a tank and now im cant choose xD .. i like druid and warri .. so .. i dont know what i should plaay :D:D:D:D

[ancient reef]

both are fun

war is alot of fun but druid is easier i think

[ember arrow]

Warr looking really good in 8.1

[lusty summit]

i read a lot of threads a last time and i read so often that warr is rly bad

[ancient reef]

its not bad its just not simple

[ember arrow]

Forums?

[lusty summit]

yeah and reddit something like that

[ember arrow]

Threads arent mosltly about 8.1

Warr deffo toptier raidtank in 8.1

[lusty summit]

ah ok .. so for info .. i want to do raid in future but more focus on m+ with mates

[ancient reef]

you ever tanked before

[lusty summit]

yeah last time was in cata/mop

now only in low lvl

and both are fun

[coral dew]

Okay so BoM trait in 8.1 looks really damn strong. Especially if you can get 3 of them. Avatar will be pretty massive, especially for burst

[ember arrow]

Bear isnt very good

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/b091b7f36a05358190b3ff24867f9b67fca2408d

Additional 5% armor for us

[coral dew]

Idk if it would be as strong as prot pally's Seraphim + Avenging Wrath burst window but still

[lusty summit]

so my new warri is 70 and i tanked atm with him .. but it feels rly difficulty to get aggro ..when the burst like mages or so

[winter pulsar]

I decided to stop listening to the forums and leveled a warrior to 120, it's pretty damn fun, and even though I just started (1 week or so) I'm not having many issues in dungeons.

This is from a super casual though. Getting more gear is helping a ton.

[ancient reef]

@ember arrow 5% more is that the same 5% from vanguard

[ember arrow]

No

Additional

New ptr build

Fresh like hour ago

[lusty summit]

so i can play easily warri and i havent problems

[ember arrow]

Correct

U can play any class without problems unless u lush keys real hard and/or progress m raids undergeared

[lusty summit]

yeah at the moment on lvl 70 i know low lvl isnt rly good but , it feels rly hard to hold aggro ... is it the problem on high lvl too or isnt?

[ancient reef]

wars are just more to manage

bear are like 4 buttons

same with brm

[winter pulsar]

What helped me the most when it comes to tanking on warrior is getting a WA set that works for me.

[lusty summit]

wa set?

[winter pulsar]

Weak Aura

[lusty summit]

ah yeah sure for the shields and other will be helping a lot

[winter pulsar]

A graphic overlay that helps display abilities and procs and such

[ember arrow]

This man plays with vanilla ui

F

[winter pulsar]

But yeah aoe agrro can be hard to manage with impatient dps, but as a fresh 120 I'm not having many issues. I try to tab target a few times between mobs just to make sure.

[lusty summit]

ok ty guys 😃 this help me a lot 😃

[lusty grotto]

agro? just bootyclap

👢 🍵 👏

[winter pulsar]

Don't get discouraged if at 120 you feel weak, I was about to give up untill I started getting over a 320 ilvl. Gear makes a huge difference. Honestly surprised by how much gear makes a difference.

[lusty summit]

ok

[winter pulsar]

Bootyclap keeps the boys around

You guys think there'll be a point where we have enough gear to forego ItF and run a more single target shield slam build? Or is AM and BM just way better?

[ember arrow]

You answered your own question

AM is essential

[lusty grotto]

no to the first question italyguy - AM and BV are way better yes

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto

U saw my simcraft posts

Prot got the last laugh

[lusty grotto]

didnt see them

where they at

[ember arrow]

Scroll up a bit. On phone hard to copy links here

[lusty grotto]

ok will do

[steel mauve]

ItF gets better with more gear, so there is no outgearing it, the more haste we get the better itf is

And unless they remove AM as a talent, it will always be taken, its just that good of a talent

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto found it? 18:28 i posted it

[lusty grotto]

yeah looking at it

[ember arrow]

Ots ptr so no notes on it

But they wont change in next 72 hours again

[sick sentinel]

Stacking crit and mastery is the ultimate meme

Having an X chance to completely ignore the damage is funny sometimes

Not good, but funny

[neon tangle]

It’s fine for m+

[mental scarab]

Do you guys take more dmg on last boss in ML the. Then rest? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

not more than on Rixxa

[astral crystal]

yeah the little goblin does a lot more damage than razdunk

[steel mauve]

I mean theres isnt a lot wrong with stacking crit, its some what unreliable but its still not a bad stat

Haste would always be better, but having a shit ton of crit isnt a terrible thing considering our stats are so close together

[lusty grotto]

they know

[zinc mauve]

fun fact, last boss of motherlode, you can spell reflect his attacks

not that it does much

[lusty grotto]

oot question

but does anyone know any decent spots to farm anchor weed

[astral crystal]

when i cared i ran the tiragarde route

[smoky oak]

Drustvar for sure

But they spawn everywhere so go where you want other herbs from

[astral crystal]

was the area i ran

[smoky oak]

Also a good spot in zuldazar i cheesed around 50 in an hour

[lusty grotto]

hm,m

i mean i should just not be lazy and run routes

[winter pulsar]

@ember arrow they increased it from 55 to 60 now?

[ember arrow]

not vanguard

its a seperate 5% buff

[winter pulsar]

Oh, where's it come from?

[ember arrow]

ptr build

[winter pulsar]

Right, but how is the buff applied? Just an overall thing or hard to say without more info? Kinda new to sims and such.

[ember arrow]

its kinda hard to say

but armor is increased by 5%, doesnt have a name or anything

they just changed the value

[winter pulsar]

Hmm ok, thanks for answering!

[blazing condor]

this has probably been answered but im curious, what would you say are the best trinkets for prot warrs atm? (if there are any). Rezan and howler? is mythrax trinket better?

[dapper sky]

Defensively?

[blazing condor]

i guess if youre running m+ at appropriate ilvls

[outer dew]

depends

for example, i like running 2x on use trinket sometimes

like a memer

[spark hamlet]

just coming back is there any major changes to the build for 8.1?

[blazing condor]

see sticky 😄

[spark hamlet]

did read the sticky i know what blizz is doing

[nova rover]

@zinc mauve what attacks can you spell reflect?

[daring marlin]

@spark hamlet Then why would you ask?

Hysterical.

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow I thought that it said “armor from main stat”

Which would indicate another vanguard buff

[zinc mauve]

@nova rover his basic attack is a spell that can be reflected, its only 30k damage but hey, when you're pushing that damage can matter

besides its not like spell reflect costs a GCD or something, literally free damage

in fact, every boss that has a reflectable spell should be reflected, its too valuable most of the time

[neon tangle]

Modify Armor by Primary Stat%
Hotfixed: Base Value (55 -> 60)
@ember arrow ^^

[ember arrow]

ahh ok, i mustve misread it then

regardless, big buff

[daring marlin]

All the armor.

[zinc mauve]

3 months later
armor % goes from 100 -> 105

why does it take lizzard half a month to take a skill off the gcd

[neon tangle]

Warriors are certainly stacking up to be p good for raids

Maybe them and BrM for top 2

Too bad my guild is stuck with a BDK now

[zinc mauve]

brewmaster just needs a little nudge more than anything i think

mostly just make it so they have to press buttons intelligently to survive rather than smash randomly

[neon tangle]

Welp they’re gonna take like 3.5% more damage outside of ISB

So that’s a little nudge I guess

[zinc mauve]

any pro hints for the final boss of Atal Dazar? boss is easy, spiders make it cancer

[daring marlin]

clap the adds

win

Hope your dps don’t eat spiders

they will

[astral crystal]

how does a brm fall out of isb though? 🤔

CD is low enough to keep 100% uptime on it while purifying

[stiff gate]

BrM lost 90% of its complexity with Legion. Went from the most interesting and varied tank spec to totally brain dead and boring.

[ancient reef]

ihows brm losing 3.5%

[oblique garnet]

@zinc mauve Hope that you have a class that can clean up the adds otherwise its awful on higher keys

[zinc mauve]

i presume you're referring to a pally or some shit that can go immune and walk through it

can a DH netherwalk through it?

[oblique garnet]

yup

rogue can clean aswell

hunter etc

[zinc mauve]

mmm i see i see

[primal crypt]

I'm scraping so hard right now

I want number 1

[modern brook]

on thrall, top 25 is like ~ 800 points lol

[daring marlin]

lol

[primal crypt]

I'm trying my hardest boys

trying so hard

[daring marlin]

try harder

and shave bish

[outer dew]

shame

guilford still not

#1 prot warrior on server

:^)_

[primal crypt]

literally just shaved my head

So I'm ready now

[signal rune]

but are you Korean yet

vital part

[primal crypt]

Super korean actually

I'm as korean as you can get

[oblique garnet]

Tofu you 1600 yet?

[daring marlin]

@outer dew Don’t have a group and not pugging.

Plus I’m playing my lock

so whatevs

[lusty grotto]

shit boys i just got a 370 rezan with leech

so sad i have to expulse it

since i had one with socket 😃

[daring marlin]

Rezan yuck

[astral crystal]

:^)

[wide girder]

+5% armor from vanguard

Gz all

And the small nerf bdk

[hollow zephyr]

so another buff to protection warrior was added?

[gaunt dawn]

"small"

👌

[chrome falcon]

CLASS IS SAVED

[astral crystal]

yo

where's it at

w h e r e s i t a t

oh we got more armor

nice

yeah our raw mit is looking pretty good

it's nice that they made monk more dependant on isb but

again, it's just really hard for it to fall off at any point

[daring marlin]

meh

We’re gonna be beastly with more haste and the 2 seconds off sb

I’d like some talent adjustments the most. The other options in the bastion tier are so BORING

[astral crystal]

talent adjustments would be great

changes to HR and ravager

changes to indom

NS

devastator

[daring marlin]

pls

[astral crystal]

there's too much work to be done by the 2 interns that work on prot

unpaid intenrs*

interns**

[daring marlin]

LOL

AM should just be baseline and add a new talent there

idk what they could do to the other two to make them worth looking at otherwise

[ancient reef]

wish we blocked more when not using sb

like my block is 27%

[daring marlin]

yuck

block without sb

gross

[ancient reef]

like our passive block

[daring marlin]

just get more mastery kid

jeez!!!!!

😛

[zinc mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/ue3V0hK.png the grind continues

shoot for the stars boys

[oblique garnet]

I wonder if you can do the tree boss on wm without resetting on 17

[neon tangle]

That BDK nerf is... p wacky

[ancient reef]

what nerf

[neon tangle]

That’s close to 15% total armor

@ancient reef they moved boneshield back to 40% bonus armor from 50%

Rather, armor from strength

[ancient reef]

what is the brm thing mentioned earlier

[neon tangle]

They moved some stagger from baseline to ISB

Overall is like 3.5% more damage taken without ISB up, 1.5% damage taken more with it up

[ancient reef]

ah still isb is like alwasys up

[neon tangle]

Meant to be more punishing for people who play poorly

[oblique garnet]

oh wow we got another buff to vanguard?

[neon tangle]

I’m still blown away at the BDK nerf

They already weren’t -that- good in raids

[oblique garnet]

Dedricus33 minutes ago (Patch 8.0.1)ReportQuoteReply
More Vanguard isn't gonna help warrior tanks lol.

Lul

[gaunt dawn]

gotta love an uneducated reply on wowhead

😃

[daring marlin]

boys

People are hilarious.

[echo egret]

IMO the lack of utility for M+ will never be compensated by any kind of numerical change

[oblique garnet]

we can have cr next season tho

all that we need at that point is grip and we would be better than dks

[gaunt dawn]

battle shout ✅
avatar dps ✅
shockwave ✅

[oblique garnet]

Rallying Cry

[neon tangle]

I mean, monks are a good example of this

[gaunt dawn]

as if people remember to use rally

cmon

😃

[neon tangle]

They are doing high keys without grip

[oblique garnet]

All you need is something to compensate for the lack of grip

In your group

[gaunt dawn]

imagine thinking that DK grip is heavily used

[echo egret]

I’ve done a few M+ on my DH tank and I just feel I’m constantly helping the group with Sicily, CC etc, instead of just « tank »

*sigils

[oblique garnet]

im helping my group by killing all the adds faster

[echo egret]

Oh and sometimes shockwave the mobs that are in front of me

[dense flame]

Yeah we may not have grip or aoe silence/interrupt utility like DH. But we can face tank just about everything, and blast like an arms warrior on trash. So I guess depends on where you want to help your group at.

[oblique garnet]

Like an arms warrior? They lose to us

[echo egret]

I agree but bringing some extra DPS doesn’t feel like a noticeable help compared to what a well-timed trick can do (purge a buff, CC the right target, grip a line caster, etc.)

[primal crypt]

Bowlby finally got beat on Zul

By a rogue

[waxen inlet]

ptr

[daring marlin]

Stardawn talking about DH like they’re not dumpster tier despite their utility

omega

[primal crypt]

Boost rather*

@oblique garnet you streaming tonight?

Need more lurks

[outer dew]

@oblique garnet zzzz 1500 now

got a 16 atal

swiggity

[neon tangle]

@outer dew looks like I might be swapping back

[outer dew]

you

fotm slut

LMAO

[daring marlin]

shoulda never swapped

[neon tangle]

It’s true

[daring marlin]

loser

[outer dew]

btw guil

wtf

where the push

been pugging most of my keys

[daring marlin]

Don’t wanna

[oblique garnet]

Idk if i will stream tonight got shit keys

[daring marlin]

Warlock time

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet should find that freehold group again

[neon tangle]

@outer dew FWIW I think that BDK and prot warrior would at least have been semi-even for raids in 8.1

[primal crypt]

That was spicy

[oblique garnet]

What freehold group?

[neon tangle]

But that PTR build today is wacky

[oblique garnet]

Oh the +2?

XDD

[primal crypt]

XDDD

[neon tangle]

rip BDK in raids

[astral crystal]

what are you talking about rip bdk

[oblique garnet]

boneshield got nerfed

[uneven mason]

well

"self sustain"

[primal crypt]

Bdk isn't rip

[uneven mason]

🤣

[neon tangle]

PTR build today is ~15% armor nerf

[astral crystal]

just a little less armor

[uneven mason]

its probably not

going to be that big a deal

[astral crystal]

and mass grip is still a meme because skullflower designs encounters

[uneven mason]

but they do get wrect for melee

[astral crystal]

Kappa

[neon tangle]

You will have to be around 385 to be able to take a thrash w/o externals now

I’d consider that bad

[uneven mason]

BDK vs Prot warrior in current patch

[daring marlin]

Why go BDK in raid when you can be a BrM anyway?

[uneven mason]

they might be in trouble

[daring marlin]

@uneven mason hit ‘em with the one two

[astral crystal]

yeah what guilford said anyway

[daring marlin]

Prot is fucking phat in raid right now

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason p much, warrior was already more or less on par with them in raids

8.1 flips the fuck out of that

[uneven mason]

yeah, to reiterate, Protection warriors are not bad tanks

in current content

[daring marlin]

HERESY!!!!!!!!

[uneven mason]

we just have no outstanding utility

and require braincells

and more than 1 button

[celest forum]

for the IP shield, is the damage reduced by armor before removing shield?

[uneven mason]

kidding, BDK isn't faceroll as people like to meme about

yes Rkma88

[daring marlin]

I mean yeah

[uneven mason]

IP is after all other mitigations

[daring marlin]

and careful there

[celest forum]

wow

[daring marlin]

You’ll awaken Levko

[celest forum]

double bloodsport master race

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason BDK is just more forgiving (at least in 8.0) for certain mistakes

[outer dew]

hmm

[daring marlin]

Triple bastion/2 BS/1 DC

[outer dew]

but playing around making mistakes

seems really silly imo

[daring marlin]

never die in avatar window

[neon tangle]

I.e. if a DK doesn’t deathstrike after a thrash the healers can make up for your mistake

[pale vigil]

Tofu you get accepted to that guild?

[neon tangle]

If a warrior doesn’t block, they die

[oblique garnet]

yeah tofu got carried to CE

[outer dew]

oi

i missed CE

by 5 minuites

[daring marlin]

Good thing thatms not a problem in raids @neon tangle

[outer dew]

LOL

they killed it on pull i could make it back

[uneven mason]

Took a thrash no shield, lived, true story

[outer dew]

but iunno

the guy trialing me says he likes me

and i'm doing fine

so we'll see after this week what's up

[pale vigil]

Awesome good luck

[neon tangle]

@daring marlin I mean, it is an issue considering the death rate, etc for warriors

[uneven mason]

So many bad warriors out there

it really is a skill pit

[outer dew]

i mean

sure

but when do the shit warriors really become that relevant/

[uneven mason]

when it colors public perception

because 95% of prot warriors are hot garbage

[neon tangle]

It’s relevant to our perception

[outer dew]

well it comes down to

what kind of content are you doing?

like in high keys, I have no real issues getting into them

[neon tangle]

You are also 1500i.o

[outer dew]

but like I said, what kind of content are you doing?

[uneven mason]

I'm sub 1000 and have no issue

but like

[outer dew]

like back in my 1k days it wasn't terrible

[uneven mason]

I'm tanking Mythic raids as well

[outer dew]

but that was awhile ago

like if you're good at your class

[uneven mason]

but most bad prots can't make it past mother without chocking onsome dong

[outer dew]

you can get into the high keys + raids

[neon tangle]

Agreed, sorta, but it’s certainly harder to get in a guild, etc

[uneven mason]

Also the "bad prot" perception was really a huge thing back when gear curve

was very real

like Prot was pretty frigging hard to play in HC at 345

[outer dew]

the thing is it depends

[neon tangle]

I mean, when I was looking for a guild prolly 2/3 would “lol prot” me

[outer dew]

getting into a 2/8 or casual guild isn't' terribly hard

[uneven mason]

looting a 370 shield, waaaaaaaaaaaaay less butt puckering

[outer dew]

i mean, i started with a 2/8 guild as a dps

but i showed I could perform during alt nights

and got bumped into MT when one guy bounced

[uneven mason]

+++

[neon tangle]

Except other classes dont have that issue

[outer dew]

they do though

[daring marlin]

lol

[outer dew]

any decent guild will look at your logs

and see how you perform

[daring marlin]

DH sure does

[neon tangle]

“Prot is fine, you just have to start as DPS and then hope the other tanks leave”

[daring marlin]

not like they’re stellar raid tanks

[outer dew]

no, i'm saying you need to prove your worth

lots of decent guilds will have a tank slot filled

[uneven mason]

took me 3 weeks of convincing the RL (who was tanking as blood, who hated tanking) to just give me a try and all of a sudden they're like "wow you're surprisingly a lot easier to heal than the other tanks"

[outer dew]

tank slots are usually fairly coveted

[uneven mason]

yeah tank slots are hard to get

[daring marlin]

^

[uneven mason]

gotta shine

which is our issue

[daring marlin]

It’s not a warrior issue at all

[uneven mason]

we're white bread tanks

we do what we do

and we're not like WONDERBREAD

[outer dew]

like in legion

[uneven mason]

we're fucking Walmart SELECT SAVE whitebread

[outer dew]

I had to start as MW before someone would let me play brew in the beginning

[daring marlin]

It’s a tank issue cuz they’re only 2/20 LOL

[outer dew]

lol

[neon tangle]

Specifically, when I was looking got a guild earlier this xpac, guilds that had slots for tanks

[outer dew]

like, i've shown my worth and got offered a trial 8/8M guild

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neon tangle]

They would not take me solely because “lol prot”

[daring marlin]

I see where you’re going

They’re shit guild

[outer dew]

what server are you on?

[daring marlin]

s

[neon tangle]

@outer dew Tich

[daring marlin]

Anyone that says lol prot is a garbie

[outer dew]

yea, you have to remember Tich is fairly saturated and new guilds pop up all the time

like the new guilds have no idea what they want

they just watch Method kill shit and think

aite, Method does this must mean this best way

lot of the older/stable guilds will be open to skill vs FOTM

that and tank culture is kind of weird imo

tanks are more prone to making other tank alts

so you don't have to swap players for the tanks

it's just a toon swap

[neon tangle]

I guess I’m just saying that perception matters, and I’ve personally experienced it

[celest forum]

only the dpsers are tunneling on one class

[daring marlin]

I personally have four tanks at 120.

Two warriors :^)

bdk/pally

[celest forum]

I don't have a bdk

no dk past 80 so far

[neon tangle]

And even when pugging m+ at a shit io I’ve had way more success in getting invites

[outer dew]

ehh

you said you were ~1k?

[hollow thorn]

How many times has Vanguard been buffed since BfA release now 🤔

[celest forum]

enough to make it scale like mad

[neon tangle]

@outer dew when my BDK was 200io

I was able to get 10+ pug invites

[outer dew]

another thing is that anything below like 1k-1.2k is very saturated

hmm, for my sanity take

i probably would never take a 200 io BDK

[hollow thorn]

same

[neon tangle]

I wouldn’t either

But, as I’ve experienced, people do apparently

[celest forum]

lots of people fall for the fotm thing

[ashen trellis]

So what are we up to now? 15% buff to vanguard since launch for armor?

[outer dew]

side note

for the NA Alliance people

[celest forum]

didn't it start at 40?

[outer dew]

everyone start realising the scene is so smal

you keep seeing the same amount of people

lmao

gotten to the point where it feels like 1500+ range everyone knows eachother

[hollow thorn]

The alliance player base just keeps getting smaller and smaler

[outer dew]

sad times

[celest forum]

eu and us would be better off merged

[hollow thorn]

lol no

have u heard of servers

[celest forum]

you have bad connection?

[hollow thorn]

No

[outer dew]

i don't want

200 ms

[hollow thorn]

But my ping will be high if i play on NA servers and the other way around

[outer dew]

LMAO

[neon tangle]

^^^

[celest forum]

I've been playing dota on us servers with 20ms

[neon tangle]

That number is almost certainly wrong

[celest forum]

maybe

[neon tangle]

Like, there are physical limits

AKA the speed of light

[celest forum]

yep, most definitely wrong

though it's 120 to virginia

[lusty grotto]

dota2 ftw

[celest forum]

...wtf? Dallas-Tokyo 135ms?

[lusty grotto]

but yeah latency is affected by geo-distance

[neon tangle]

NYC -> London is 3500 miles, or ~20ms, and that’s... really a best case

[astral crystal]

i want to be alliance FeelsBadMan

[neon tangle]

Fiber optics are generally 30% slower than that

[outer dew]

aite

[neon tangle]

And you won’t be taking a direct route

[outer dew]

i wanna order food

someone give me

a cuisine

[neon tangle]

Eat some Korean food

[astral crystal]

thai t h a i

[outer dew]

hmm

[neon tangle]

Get dat Tofu

[outer dew]

thai is easy to make though

[astral crystal]

indian then

[crimson sentinel]

Uber for mac

[outer dew]

LMAO

i thought about mac

them nuggies

[crimson sentinel]

Hahahahaha

[neon tangle]

Make some soondubu

[outer dew]

the stew?

[neon tangle]

Yeah

[outer dew]

you don't want that for delivery though

you want it a nice hot stone

[soft kindle]

Merging US and EU

gtfo

[neon tangle]

It travels surprisingly well

[soft kindle]

ty

[outer dew]

wow meth

i thought you wanted

to play with me :^)

[soft kindle]

fam if I get put on and OCE server on my NA toons I jump to 400 ms

EU is worse

[outer dew]

LMAO

you're not wrong

but you're horde

[hollow thorn]

Who doesnt wanna play with 200+ ms

[outer dew]

aren't you?

[soft kindle]

I am yeh

[hollow thorn]

smart ppl are horde

[celest forum]

400ms? I don't have that to fucking tokyo

[hollow thorn]

meth ur smart

[outer dew]

most of the oceanic boys are alliance

LMAO

wow

are you calling me dumb

</3

[hollow thorn]

maybe

[outer dew]

smh

i'd switch horde if you can find me an 8/8M guild that'll take me

lmao

[soft kindle]

Then you live in fuckin Kyoto brochacho

[compact dock]

Warr or monk for 8.1. No details just yes/no

[outer dew]

yes

[soft kindle]

The one you fucking like more

[hollow thorn]

i cant take someone that says this seriously tbh

[outer dew]

NO

YOU

PRESS YES

HE SAID YES OR NO

50 DKP MINUS ON METH

[soft kindle]

YES

[hollow thorn]

War or monk? Yes

[outer dew]

see

answered his question

he only took yes or no

lmao

[soft kindle]

other channels get arms or fury

[compact dock]

NO DETAILS

[soft kindle]

prot gets prot or X other tank

rofl

stupid question

[hollow thorn]

We said yes

now go away

shush

[outer dew]

the one where your RL won't bench you

lmao

[compact dock]

Im r2 prot warr on fetid norm

I know warr

[outer dew]

oh shit

[hollow thorn]

Monks will be S Tier for M+ next patch

[soft kindle]

I know you're makin a joke

but I still facepalmed

[outer dew]

lmao

[soft kindle]

that's impressive lad

[hollow thorn]

HAVE U SEEN MY HEALING PARSES

[soft kindle]

Deattu

[outer dew]

almost as impressive as saying you're top 100 R.IO for prot warrior

[soft kindle]

shutup

[outer dew]

lmao

[crimson sentinel]

I solo tanked taloc in lfr

[hollow thorn]

look at htis

im so good

[ember arrow]

monks will be better than dks for m+

[outer dew]

LMAO

[ember arrow]

with the change atm

[soft kindle]

This idiot is actually trying to catch me in IO score

[outer dew]

who?

[hollow thorn]

whats ur score meth?

[soft kindle]

need to clam down there you danish fuck

[outer dew]

LMAO

[hollow thorn]

Im norwegian u mongo

[compact dock]

I timed a 18 waycrest on necrotic

[soft kindle]

ffs you EU ppl

so many countries

all the same

[outer dew]

if you timed a +18 WCM on necrotic

you should be at the point where you don't need to ask us

[crimson sentinel]

Eu is the world

[hollow thorn]

im like 1720 atm

[soft kindle]

You're now Swedish deattu

congrats on the promotion

[hollow thorn]

Nooooooooooooooo

i dont wanna be a swede

[celest forum]

that's one hell of a promotion

[outer dew]

oi

[hollow thorn]

well

[outer dew]

swede girls are pretty hot

[hollow thorn]

its better than being danish

[outer dew]

i think that's a promotion in my books

[crimson sentinel]

Swedish people rage all the time

[compact dock]

Im swede girl +18 in time

[outer dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSSlhzoHD-A

is this you DEattu?

[hollow thorn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/norge/comments/a2o4pd/enige_og_tro_til_dovre_faller/

[celest forum]

Sweden must be a promotion as sweden gave norway their independence

[hollow thorn]

Sweden is just Finland with different colors

[celest forum]

Sweden has also, at one point, given finland their independence

[compact dock]

Swedes could have had oil money

[hollow thorn]

and i have at 0 points, given a signel fuck bout that

[compact dock]

Swedebai

[celest forum]

I'd agree to Swedebai but for other reasons...

[astral crystal]

EU chat

[lusty grotto]

ayo

any bored peeps wanna run 4 WM

[compact dock]

Imagine norway/danmark/finland being a part of sweden

Masters of scandinavia

[lusty grotto]

😉

[compact dock]

Also åland cant forget

[celest forum]

Rewind 300 years and you have it

[compact dock]

A union in my hometown of calmar

[hollow thorn]

Did someone say Youtube Rewind?

[compact dock]

Is that a noctua fan?

[lusty grotto]

get ninja out of my chat goddamn it

/spit

[soft kindle]

How the fuck did you all go this off topic

this fast

like that's a record

[astral crystal]

blame the europoors

[hollow thorn]

I came in here

[crimson sentinel]

Lmao

[hollow thorn]

I am the off-topic @soft kindle

[lusty grotto]

wait wait wait

[outer dew]

wdym

[lusty grotto]

is tofu around

[outer dew]

this is off-topic

[lusty grotto]

oh there he is

[outer dew]

oi

[lusty grotto]

hey let's talk cooking again

[outer dew]

i'm trying to find food dawg

i'm hungry

LOL

[soft kindle]

Tofu is a dude?

[outer dew]

i got curry

but i don't wanna eat my curry

lmao

[lusty grotto]

i assumed your gender i am sorry

[hollow thorn]

dId YoU jUsT aSsUmE mY gEnDeR?

[outer dew]

DiD yOu JuSt AsSuMe My PrOnOuN

[soft kindle]

You're welsh ya fuckin weapon

[crimson sentinel]

How can u say gender?????

[compact dock]

Pepe emotes anyone?

[crimson sentinel]

Im not a gender reeeee

[hollow thorn]

cant use them here cus @merek

is being mean

[soft kindle]

@bleak quiver

oh shit

[hollow thorn]

i thought he left cus it didnt ping him

[soft kindle]

Fam change your name

[compact dock]

What is class disc without pepemotes?

[lusty grotto]

prepare your anuses

[final mist]

Oi, get back to #off-topic ya chimps.

[hollow thorn]

last time we pinged him

[lusty grotto]

SHIT FAM RUN

[hollow thorn]

abort

[crimson sentinel]

[hollow thorn]

back to fury

forgot blues are in here

[soft kindle]

It's a blue, run for the trenches

[astral crystal]

monkaS

[outer dew]

LMAO

[final mist]

🤔

[compact dock]

Guys i have some serious theorycrafting questions. Where is kungen of nihilum when u need him...?

Best prr#ot warr

[outer dew]

aite

i'll bite liq

show me your R.io page

show me that sweet sweet WCM

[lusty grotto]

is he delicious though

[compact dock]

You can find me through one of fillman’s logs on tarren mill

Best arms warr, hes my pal

[final mist]

The only thing delicious here is going to be the tears when I mute you all for being off topic.

[compact dock]

You are on a quest from here

[outer dew]

what? that isn't on topic?

[hollow thorn]

Yikes, you better yeet out of here

[outer dew]

this guy said he finished a 18 WCM

gotta learn of his secrets

[compact dock]

Avatar shield block + thunder clap

[crimson sentinel]

Spam thunderclap

[final mist]

Hit Avatar, hit TC, kite when it's down, there's your secret.

[outer dew]

smh

[crimson sentinel]

[outer dew]

how you kite the boss?

🤔

[hollow thorn]

Prot war legit gonna be one of the top specs for M+ and Raids next patch

BDK got butchered

[compact dock]

Wlock port, heroic leap intervene

[crimson sentinel]

Dk is not butchered

[outer dew]

everyone will have their moment to shine

smh

[final mist]

DK still has G R I P

[crimson sentinel]

They needed that nerf

[compact dock]

Lele imagine maining guaridan druid

[final mist]

Nah, they're legit dumpstered for raids

[compact dock]

Thats a sad life haha

[hollow thorn]

According to Mandl they lost 100k Effective HP

BrM is gonna be go to for M+

cus they can actually not die

[crimson sentinel]

Yea

[outer dew]

i mean

for most people

the nerfs don't actually hit that hard for m+

[hollow thorn]

A 380 DK is now gonna need a CD for every trash hit of Mythic Fetid

[crimson sentinel]

Its only for higher keys where it matters

[outer dew]

not everyone finna running +16/17's

[crimson sentinel]

But ppl are always gonna go for Meta tanks

[hollow thorn]

You are still gonna take tons more dmg

[compact dock]

The thing is though, next tier we push higher keys

[soft kindle]

He's either JC, Sense, Travex, Tunneloklm, Maximumw, or MN @outer dew

[compact dock]

Stagger can take you to a new lvl

[soft kindle]

or full of it

[outer dew]

i see, i see, those are pretty good options

i bet it's

Tunnelokim

he sounds like someone that can be Liq

[hollow thorn]

i think its Sense

he sounds familiar

[final mist]

Sounds good, makes sense

[lusty grotto]

[soft kindle]

Tunneloklm is French

[outer dew]

liq sounds french to me

[crimson sentinel]

Lol

[hollow thorn]

he did the å

[compact dock]

Heard maximum in limit was goina have guardian as an ace in his sleeve

[hollow thorn]

he gotta e scandinavian

[compact dock]

Leld

Im scandi

[outer dew]

asee

scandi/french

same shit

[compact dock]

Yellow vest

[hollow thorn]

european countries amirite

[outer dew]

y'all expect me

[compact dock]

I play in NA though

[outer dew]

to figure out what countries are there in EU

[compact dock]

90ms

[outer dew]

when most of ya mofos can't name hte states

when states are bigger than some countries

smh

[compact dock]

Michigan hooligaan montreal

[hollow thorn]

TEXAS

[compact dock]

Kentucky

Fried

[crimson sentinel]

Off-topic sssst

[hollow thorn]

USA Is in Texas right

[compact dock]

Thunderxlap

[outer dew]

yes

[final mist]

🤔

[outer dew]

texas might as well be it's own country tbh

[soft kindle]

Well, there's only 3 warriors with a completed 18 WC, timed or not

[hollow thorn]

i also know Sweet Home Alabama

[soft kindle]

and I know two of them, and the third is a SF

[compact dock]

You know me fam

Methuselsg

[crimson sentinel]

Maybe you know him lmao

[soft kindle]

Are you the RL of Limit

[compact dock]

Maximum nah

But i know him

[soft kindle]

Do you play on the Quebec server

[outer dew]

aite

Pastrami/Reuben/Cheesetake

choose one for me

[compact dock]

Oui

[crimson sentinel]

Uber a mac

[soft kindle]

That's funny, because I know Travex

I've talked to him, I've done keys with his healer

And I don't know you

[compact dock]

How does that make any sense?

[crimson sentinel]

[compact dock]

My warr is only 336 stop harrassing me, im trying to improve!

[hollow thorn]

Meth what is ur r.io score? I just looked at all EU warriors with more score than me, and im pretty sure ur none of them 🤔

[soft kindle]

I don't push on my warrior anymore

[hollow thorn]

Oof

[soft kindle]

Once we started hitting 17/18 I couldn't keep justifying it

[hollow thorn]

You pushing on warlock?

[compact dock]

Lel

[outer dew]

riiiip

[soft kindle]

Yah

[outer dew]

destro?

[soft kindle]

Aff

[compact dock]

Lock is weak

[soft kindle]

I just can't do anything with infested

fucking stupid

[hollow thorn]

A good lock does really good dmg

[soft kindle]

tired of this affix

[compact dock]

Brw ele dh roq drood bis

[daring marlin]

good thing it’s going away soon

[soft kindle]

Soon

another two months

[daring marlin]

Season 2 come sooner

hey pessimist

[hollow thorn]

Infested just makes classes with cc much better

[daring marlin]

chill

[compact dock]

Heard reaping is harder

[hollow thorn]

Automatically makes warriors and locks weak, well locks can cc some stuff

[soft kindle]

I don't care if it's harder

[daring marlin]

It can be harder

[soft kindle]

at least it doesn't cut half the specs in the game out

by default

[daring marlin]

Infested is boring

[hollow thorn]

Lock is big yikes for ghuunies

[compact dock]

But warr bis cuz avatar lines with affix

[soft kindle]

Lock can shadowfury ghuunies

[hollow thorn]

when it comes to killing them i mean

just put agony on it and its dead in 40 sec

[soft kindle]

ik what you meant

[outer dew]

just play the good ole mighty prot warrior :^)

[hollow thorn]

Shadowfury is nice tho

[soft kindle]

shadowfury, DH can handle it

[hollow thorn]

Im looking forward to playing prot next patch

[outer dew]

tbh, i've had moments where i thought of just pushing keys as a fire mage

[soft kindle]

Drop a Corr and SO agrony on them

np

[primal crypt]

thinking

[outer dew]

noob

gutripper>strength in numbers

smh

[hollow thorn]

it does more dmg

[soft kindle]

Not taking IV

tf

[primal crypt]

running triple protection

[soft kindle]

Not taking IV
tf

[hollow thorn]

Not taking IV

tf

[soft kindle]

ty

[outer dew]

you a warrior

only worth is damage

[crimson sentinel]

Imagine not taking iv

[outer dew]

if you die just call healer a nub

👌

[crimson sentinel]

Just thunderclap 24/7

[primal crypt]

shhhhhh

[oblique garnet]

Ayy tofu 2 chest fh : )

[outer dew]

better be

a 2 chest FH

at a +11

;DDD

[inland mesa]

time to see how bad 15 freehold hurts

[lusty grotto]

hold up

hmm

[oblique garnet]

it was 15 @outer dew 😉

[raven ore]

oof

[lusty grotto]

so seth with a good group isn't hard this week

emphasis on good group

[crimson sentinel]

Arent all keys doable this week xd

[lusty grotto]

hold up with a good group

yeah def

but people aren't running it this week because its tyrannical and people fuck up elemental

galvazzt or whatever

dem deeps though

[crimson sentinel]

I guess

I think most decent healers learned how to deal with that properly now

[lusty grotto]

im not talking about last boss

that ones easy

[crimson sentinel]

I know

[daring marlin]

this week is so omegalul

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto quite low dps in that group overall

[lusty grotto]

i run m+ with friends

not aiming to do world firsts and shti 😛

that's the entire dungeon too

[ember arrow]

I have one old screen from back in the day

[lusty grotto]

also it's bursting week so no big ass pulls

[crystal creek]

Our buffs go into effect Tuesday don’t they?

Pretty stoked

They buffed Vanguard again!!?

[outer dew]

yeap

armor from vanguard is now 60% from strength

[crystal creek]

That’s awesome

And IP and Intercept off gcd

Gonna be a good day

[oblique garnet]

Ranged block my man

Everyone forgets

[zinc mauve]

thats all i wanted

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto bursting is lol now as long as it all dies at the same time and not staggered

k i d

[neon tangle]

mythic fetid will be kinda interesting as a BDK

[balmy narwhal]

is IP still gonna be off GCD, I dont see it in the patch notes

[shut summit]

yes

[balmy narwhal]

ok cool ty

[oblique garnet]

Interesting to read the bdk discord on the thoughts of those nerfs

[balmy narwhal]

I am happy that my guildies would have to take my warrior instead of my dk for high keys muhahahaha jk

but I think with all these changes, we will be hard as turtle shells (we were before) but general population would notice it more

[daring marlin]

@oblique garnet What're they saying? lol

inb4 they're crying about rextroy again or something

[oblique garnet]

There was some reasnoable discussion and worrying about what to reroll

[neon tangle]

@oblique garnet I mean, 18% EHP is a p big nerf

[mellow quartz]

I am maining bdk right now and started gearing a prot warrior a week ago 😃

Good timing it seems lol

[neon tangle]

I think BDK was pretty fine with the WOTN nerf

[crimson sentinel]

The armor nerf is huge

But this wont change what tank people will choose in m+

[mellow quartz]

They are basically putting a larger emphasis on death strikes.

Still has a large health pool and now will take more damage so DS will heal for more.

[neon tangle]

It’s gonna make some shit like fetid really un-fun

[crimson sentinel]

I mean

a holy paladin has more armor with similair item level

That’s just broken design

[mellow quartz]

Think someone said DK was now lowest armor after monks

[crimson sentinel]

They are yea

[neon tangle]

By that I mean, unless you’re 385ilvl + you are going to have a hard time not getting one-shot

[crimson sentinel]

If u are gonna ot fetid u will notice lol

And its more about damage intake and external healing required

[oblique garnet]

So prot warrior will be nr2 after monk ??? Hype

[crimson sentinel]

Dks are just gonna Spike a lot now

[oblique garnet]

For raids

[balmy narwhal]

Warriors are gonna be great for raid

[crimson sentinel]

As the raid looks now, yea

[balmy narwhal]

For M+ we still dont offer lots of "utilities"

[crimson sentinel]

U know blizzard, they might change bosses last minut

Doing a lot of dps makes up for that

[balmy narwhal]

I agree

[oblique garnet]

I hope the engineering cr is not like -90% of your health if it backfires

[crimson sentinel]

And grips are overrated

[balmy narwhal]

But it is kinda sad that we got bad first impression even though we were viable tanks if played right

Are*

[crimson sentinel]

That wont change for a long while

[balmy narwhal]

I know

[crimson sentinel]

Even if Prot warriors would be the best atm

[balmy narwhal]

Monkey see monkey do lol

[crimson sentinel]

Ppl still bring dks to m+

[balmy narwhal]

Yeah the damage has been done

[oblique garnet]

Idk im getting accepted into 15s

[crimson sentinel]

Tbh its quite easy to get into 15 keys or so

If you have a decent score with any tank

Most people dont understand anyway why they bring dks or monks xd

[zinc creek]

Healing wise though, do we have significant increase in hps with the ip change?

[crimson sentinel]

It will make a difference yes

[oblique garnet]

Youre not wasting gcds on ip anymore

[crimson sentinel]

Basicly u can generate rage instead

[zinc creek]

Awesome can't wait for next week

[crimson sentinel]

So that itself is huge

And most important it wont feel AS clunky lol

[zinc creek]

Yeah would be fun

[raven pike]

was wanting to level a warrior on tuesday because i haven't warrior tanked in a while and 30% extra xp is quite nice wanting a tank to push keys with but friends dont think it can be done with warrior so i figured i would ask experienced warrior tanks since community perception often isnt the actual case if played right

[brave mauve]

Christ, what a run-on sentence.

[oblique garnet]

You can push high keys on warrior with alot of effort

But you need a team that compensates for the things you dont have

[steep lily]

So did vanguard get a slight buff on PTR? Looks like 60% of str rather than 55% like it initially was

[oblique garnet]

Yup

[steep lily]

nice

[neon tangle]

@zinc creek IP off the GCD is around 1-4% extra RPS for good players

It’s more of a QoL change than a major increase to our HPS or RPS

I honestly expected more than that

[shut summit]

where are you getting 1-4% from, just wasted rage?

cuz the freed up GCDs from being used on IP / being able to use intercept for rage on melee again on top of wasted rage from being capped is gona feel way better

[neon tangle]

Your logs actually

take wated rage

wasted** rage, i.e. rage you gain while at 100

and take the number of IP casts, multiply it by 30% or w/e the chance to proc SS is

and multiply that number by SS rage gen

[shut summit]

ok ill look

[neon tangle]

1-4% was also "best case", assuming that there are never wasted procs of revenge

that's offset a little bit by feeding in to AM, since it will have a small increase to BV + Avatar casts

[merry bane]

Howdy guys, how we doing tonight

So what i sup with the shark boss, why do the blood pools not slow the sharks

[primal crypt]

well then...our group randomly went from doing 11s to doing 16s...

wtf

prot is even better at higher keys XD

[neon tangle]

on PTR or on live?

[primal crypt]

feels so good being able to live so easily