The druid gets cycloned
#protection
sick sentinel
dusk locust
that's amazing
lusty grotto
the thing about tbc SR is that you needed to equip 1h and shield to use SR
sick sentinel
It's a vital part of playing against a comp with a druid
lusty grotto
so you needed that handy macro that took 2 hours to use
oh i mean, i did gladiator as arms of course
obviously reflecting as prot was fucking easy lol
equip 1h/shield -> stance change to def -> SR
-> equip 2 hander
on the same macro
iirc
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
Is that a prot thing?
sick sentinel
Ah
uneven mason
I Just remember back when warriors were unstoppable
like the only CC that worked was Cyclone
lusty grotto
frost mages
lusty grotto
maybe bad ones lol
sick sentinel
Yeah loved when they blinked away and left their head behind
uneven mason
"Free Action Potion"
uneven mason
yeah
sick sentinel
I think Im going to be
sick sentinel
I never see you in #223972896219856896 nim
uneven mason
as many times as they can stop us we can close again hehe
lusty grotto
i haven't been serious about pvp for a while
uneven mason
Legion killed PVP for me
lusty grotto
all i know is what traits we're using as arms
uneven mason
but I'm starting to get back into myself
lusty grotto
and i refuse to acknowledge fury
uneven mason
I'ma try and get more Mortal strike debuffers in my next RBG run
lusty grotto
so i stay away
sick sentinel
Yeah c3po
uneven mason
so I can do prot
sick sentinel
No wait, 3xca
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
maybe when i have more time ill dedicate to it, but my healer friend died during WoD on a bike accident and i haven't been serious about pvp since then
i have done some arenas on alts though
just not on warrior
sick sentinel
I’m sorry to hear that
sick sentinel
Ah, well pvp is fun I’ve found this expac, rly enjoying it
uneven mason
BFA PVP is actually a blast
esp as prot
sure I'm not going to kill anyone single target 1v1
but 👢 🍵 👏 does enough AE that it works as a healing peel
that is - the healer can't focus themselves and save everyone else
sick sentinel
Translate the icons
sick sentinel
uneven mason
Our Avatar/UF/TC/DC/BV combination
is just flat out hNGGGGG
esp since in PVP
TC roots
"where you goin - NOWHERE"
but yeha Dragon Charge probably best fun except for using ROP on my MW monk and throwing people as the crest the hill at LM
right over the edge
its liek that turntable they used in the Wild Kingdom show where they threw a bunch of lemmings off a cliff
+++
coral dew
Prot pally way more fun in pvp
Prot warr pvp this expac is zzzzzz
Used to be fun when shield slam actually didn't hit like a wet noodle
coral dew
Ehhhh
stark sage
coral dew
The kit overall is still pretty lackluster compared to prot pali in pvp
Both in burst and utility
coral dew
I mean I do, lol that's why om talking about it
soft kindle
k bai
coral dew
Huh
Sorry, hope I'm not hurting feelings lol. Just having a discussion
Now...maybe if the BoM trait in 8.1 pans out, we could have a burst window as strong as prot pally in pvp
But even then, wed still be falling short as pally already has a trait similar to that which buffs the shit out of thier version of Avatar
So once again, we are lagging behind in multiple areas
uneven mason
Uh what'rewelacking?
coral dew
In pvp?
coral dew
:(
coral dew
I just miss shield slamming people and having them do something other than giggle afterwards :(
uneven mason
WOTLK ArP SBV stacking F
coral dew
Correct
ionic fern
When you're eating a feast as fury spec but the team pulls so you stuck in a spec you never play and have not even set up with a shield/sword
viscid hatch
omegalul
supple path
Reminds me of the run I had first week of uldir where I was fury and bugged out and couldn't target anything, so 100% of my damage was whirlwind.
viscid hatch
that's exactly how you play it tho
supple path
fury without proccing enrage is a little weak, just a hair.
lusty grotto
yikes mwahi
ionic fern
😂
zinc mauve
8.1 comes out tuesday right or am i retarded
lusty grotto
hey, being autistic isn't being retarded
sorry
i didn't mean that
me joking
not a lot to do until january anyway... maybe get io up by being awesome
supple path
Yeah, this is a up my io week for sure here. Skittish might as well not exist as an affix.
timid delta
Hey guys, I got bored and quit a couple months back and coming back to tank for my guild. I have a 375 monk but I have to off-dps sometimes and not too fond of WW. Hows Prot looking with the IP off GCD change? Dont want to play a DK or paladin.
soft kindle
Strong
wide girder
steel lotus
Only thing prot really had a problem with was it was way too punishing of mistakes the new changes help
neon tangle
the new changes are going to make mistakes still punishing
People can rage starve themselves easier with IP off the GCD
there's still a poor feedback system w/ how you have to stagger out CDs
@timid delta Prot will be perfectly viable in 8.1, it is viable now, it's still going to be harder to play and more punishing than brewmaster
uneven mason
until they make it so BrM no longer has bad luck protection and Stagger can kill you, nothing is going to be less punishing than BrM 😄
neon tangle
?
neon tangle
who knows tho, maybe with the new +10 affix having big AoE burst will make prot the bestest
lusty grotto
prot is fun if done correctly, plus you outdps most bads on aoe
uneven mason
I out DPS some goods on AoE as well
My DPS Have learned not to meme in my presence, or I become one. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png
@timid delta if the image above is appealing to you, play warrior, otherwise, play monk and enjoy netflix binges while tanking
uneven mason
yeah
I mean, BrM is strong in the same arena we're strong in (Raid tanking)
we just require braincells and motor skills to press buttons, while BrM Could be played by a drinking bird and a toddler (formovement)
steel lotus
Or u just play bdk and bonestorm ftw
exotic spoke
Anyone have an easy link for the 8.1 changes? I know a few things off GCD for prot. Trying to find other things but it’s spread across a lot of paws
Pages
lusty grotto
steel lotus
#blocktherock
uneven mason
I've been playing my BDK a bit, bonestorm, not as impressive as advertised
I Mean yeah I can do large pulls
steel lotus
More targets the more effective it is tho
astral crystal
semen storm
steel lotus
Which is very powerful
lusty grotto
lol semen storm
uneven mason
I got that
neon tangle
@steel lotus not so much after next tuesday
steel lotus
True dat
uneven mason
I mean 15% per second
lusty grotto
i can be a bdk on explosive week 🤷
uneven mason
still memestrong
steel lotus
But it needed the nerf it’s the craziest defensive rn
lusty grotto
but with a shitload more dmg
neon tangle
tbh my warrior was easier on explosive weeks
lusty grotto
this week is ez mode for prot
uneven mason
its like what 12.9% after nerf
lusty grotto
its literally a -1 affix week
uneven mason
I invite Donald level Demon hunters to increase my keys back to +1
steel lotus
Gotta add the numbskull affix
uneven mason
fucking "I shouldn't pull with my glaive, huh" after he snagged ALL OF THE WATER DROPLETS ON THE SKIP PACK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
steel lotus
LUL
uneven mason
Bursting week + water droplets
neon tangle
@uneven mason I mean, if BDK is balanced around having 19% more EHP from a talent then shrug
lusty grotto
rallying cry T_T
neon tangle
kinda like saying that anger management is OP
steel lotus
People rally off of my tears for sure
neon tangle
shrine is indeed the worst on bursting week, and kinda on bolstering
like the mob with a bunch of followers right after the first boss
steel lotus
Shrine is just one of the worst dungeons in general
neon tangle
everyone goes ham on AoE, now you have a fucking super-powered person AoE-ing your group to death
steel lotus
Bolstering in a nutshell
steel lotus
The droplet with more hp than first boss
At least bolstering resets out of combat member when it didn’t
supple path
God, shrine is the land of DPS pulling the next pack while you're still dealing with bursting/bolster from the pack before
lusty grotto
tales from the pug
supple path
Something about that zone makes them sexually attracted to the idea of slowly backing up into the next pack.
supple path
Heh, on my server right now leaderboards require: +10 for AD/FH/WM, 9 ML, 8 TD/Siege, 5 UR, 4 KR, 3 Shrine, 2 temple. People are not fans of those zones this week.
lusty grotto
i unbound mine back in tbc
neon tangle
I love my s key
supple path
I use my mouse to move like god intended.
steel lotus
^
supple path
Have some side buttons bound to strafe left + strafe right
steel lotus
Left right mousebutton movement is my life
supple path
I think it was actually...god, that blackwing descent Sarlak boss or whatever it was
steel lotus
A and d are strafe for me too e and q are too good for shit you need to press often
lusty grotto
these have been my binds since TBC
supple path
Where you have to non-stop kite in circles for like 5 minutes, where I realized "this whole keyboard movement thing is not gonna fly"
steel lotus
As soon as you try to keep your face on a boss when trying to move it long distance that keyboard turning is the worst
neon tangle
real talk tho, I do a mix of both, sometimes is nice to keyboard move while you're targetting shit with mouse
lusty grotto
no
supple path
Keyboard movement was a lot harder for me to be constantly moving WHILE maintaining my rotation.
lusty grotto
its never nice
you're slow as fuck while keyboard turning
oh hey let me take 2 full minutes to do a 60 degree turn
supple path
Well keyboard turning is a whole different beast than keyboard movement, period
And is obviously objectively terrible
steel lotus
Lets be real here as long as you aren’t a clicker your probably fine kek
neon tangle
so, example would be kiting, I will get the general direction with the mouse, and then I might need to grip/target/interupt a mob and will use the mouse for that
so small adjustments to direction with keyboard
tl;dr it can be useful, I wouldn't unbind it
neon tangle
also useful if you have a good nameplate mod, so clicking on them is sane
lusty grotto
g502 masterrace
neon tangle
also useful for dropping D&D when running/kiting
wait, this is the protection channel
steel lotus
Ayyyyy Logitech hype
lusty grotto
this is very good
uneven mason
backpedaling
lusty grotto
probably not be a clicker because that makes me vomit
lusty grotto
ROFL
lusty grotto
i'm gonna be honest, that actually does sound hilarious
uneven mason
is setup in Cliqu
neon tangle
s key not so useful 😛 DKs just have a lot more ranged / targetted bullshit that makes the mouse useful
uneven mason
and I Just hit mouse buttons on the boss frame
neon tangle
I do keep s key bound tho
sand egret
shit
lusty grotto
i'm thinking ill level my BrM with my NES Track Pad
sand egret
gotta optimize
uneven mason
Optimize
lusty grotto
at least i'll get a work out
sand egret
some dude leveled on a DDR pad
lusty grotto
work out for 2 seconds - rest
uneven mason
I want to use my daughters trackball mouse ot level a BrM
lusty grotto
2 minutes later purify
sick sentinel
Did you guys speak of Sartharion?
uneven mason
or tank Uldir on a BRM
sick sentinel
Or w.e was he called?
neon tangle
I tanked Uldir as prot with trackball?
uneven mason
and set left click to tiger strike, and right click to iron skin brew
and see if I can do it
neon tangle
It's not really hard to use
sand egret
pretty some person tanked Ulidr on a gamepad
uneven mason
I Mean, as my only controller
sand egret
like emulator on a handheld
eager tartan
I use my monk on Uldir farm days while I watch Netflix
lusty grotto
i mean trackball users kind of deserve praise
eager tartan
best shit ever
sand egret
sand egret
why you'll always be just a sous chef
lusty grotto
true
eager tartan
meh, hibrids should heal and that's that
supple path
A saint of evil gods.
eager tartan
the game is being worse since the warrios no longer control the tank market
sand egret
doesn't that, by definition...make them not a hybrid?
oblique garnet
Yup
That on top of the voidbolt which does 170k will oneshot you if you fuck up even once
steel lotus
Sots is fucked
Or the devestate tentacles the squid heads spawn that will aoe murder the group if they don’t go down fast enough
steel lotus
Ofc just another example of some of the shit mobs in that dung
It’s a meme cuz the first time I ran that dungeon at +10(I had barely run it before) we wiped like 2 times to the tentacles before I decided never to bother with them again
supple path
The trash is annoying in that zone but it's the bosses that are really special, yeah.
More than any other zone it's just full of "fuck this up once and it's a wipe' mechanics
And the bar for not messing up is way higher.
Was watching Zmok do a +19 or whatever of it, the stuff that was required was just silly.
eager tartan
gotta love the "melees beware of the big dude he cleaves" "we fucking know just pull"
5 secs into the fight
2 melees down
steel lotus
I like barely being able to see all the tornadoes in second boss
supple path
Need more final bosses of underrot where we can just solo it.
steel lotus
I don’t know why blizzard does the fucking nuetral coloured aoe indicators on nuetral coloured backgrounds
Like fucking final boss of COS in legion
sand egret
those two tentacles on the bridge are so dumb if you can't skip em. Mostly because you literally have to stand in one place or they will just spam aoe slam =(. Makes dodging Mental Assault a PITA
coral dew
Do the tentacles in sots on the bridge do a 360 aoe? Or just a frontal cone
lusty grotto
i sometimes wish they had the whole telegraphed path in front of cleaving abilities or frontal cones like that other mmo did
sand egret
as far as i know, they check if you're in melee
if not it seems like it's a 360 shitfest
but idk
lusty grotto
idk i saw jtobs or whatever his name is once and they were hitting him from africa while on a stealth run
literally from africa
sand egret
yeah, sounds like it's a zone hit
sand egret
typical for immobile units
plain ice
i can't remember the last time i did those tentacles
sand egret
Hull Breaker is the same in the last boss of Siege
lusty grotto
nobody really does, but they wiped to some shit
sand egret
I pug a bunch, so I deal with em enough when we dont have a rogue
lusty grotto
invis pots 👍
lusty grotto
fuck i just remembered that 12 freehold with that druid and now my friday is ruined
sand egret
but yeah, stepping out of melee range is why you get trucked on that pull 90% of the time
luckily the two dudes who go with it have 3 abilities, 2 of which are defensive and the other is heavily broadcasted
supple path
Pugs are starting to make me sad, though. Was doing an underrot 12 yesterday, I set up a macro alerting people when I spell reflected, another macro warning them when I was going to spell reflect the next nuke, and they still interrupted like 4 of 6 of my reflects on first boss.
People do not respect the awesomeness of that ability.
They then all died on the last boss and yelled at me for taking too long to die for a couple minutes until I finished soloing it. God I love that boss.
Had some better luck in waycrest just telling them to focus all their interrupts on the non-active targets.
uneven mason
I feel ya Cens
I was doing a 11 Shrine
and the 2nd to last boss
that voidbolt hits for like 150k
and they were kicking every one
missed timer by 1min 20
if only they had let spell reflect DPS
(and I didn't have a drunk HDH)
tulip pond
I swear every pug DPS have some kind of weakaura that they keep as a secret from us that tracks our SR
sand egret
my trick, is go for the 3rd one
1st one = dps mong on reaction
2nd one = dps realized they missed the first one, but tries to compensate and will get this one
3rd one = most likely the one that other dps cant get due to their cd. Also highest candidate for that one Hunter to counter-spell
but thats why I really would like it if Spell Reflect was an ability that a) was included as our dps in logs or b) was broadcasted (numbers wise) to friendlies.
so powerful, but so invisible
like, assuming your random melee dps is ~20k dps single target.....that 150k voidbolt is ~7.5 seconds of straight up dps in a single instance.
or 5 globals not counting haste. /shrug
oblique garnet
Jesus fuck i wanna kms why do people throw keys by not interrupting the one ability able to wipe the whole team
sand egret
because they don't know that would be the case in the moment
unless it's like "fuck you mothers fuckers" watches fear cast complete it's probably due to ignorance
oblique garnet
Poison nova
we had one wipe
missed the timer on kr +15 by one minute
feelsbadman
sand egret
tragedy of the commons
oblique garnet
I just cant seem to be able to time that fucking key no matter what
oblique garnet
@outer dew 1599 fml
real willow
supple path
I think my last zul experience involved a lot of running away, getting topped off as it nuked a demon hunter, running back in.
Not really even sure if he automatically changes targets when you get too far away or if that guy was aggroing
But really in the whole zone shadow of zul and a couple trash packs in first boss room are the only ones that really feel like "i hope you regret being a prot warrior". Oh and that stupid archer in the king's room.
Though I'd murder night elf babies for control undead there.
buoyant inlet
@oblique garnet do you stream your runs?
lusty grotto
Run low keys and find people that give no fucks about "meta" shit that doesn't apply to them @wooden sun
supple path
You've just told a group of people on the internet that finding friends is easy.
lusty grotto
Well to be fair, it's not easy but it does happen more frequently than we think
supple path
Yeah honestly I need to just start adding good dps to my friend's list.
lusty grotto
Yup
oblique garnet
@buoyant inlet Not really i might start though
wooden sun
thing is i apply to low keys, you know 10's and 11's and i get people saying that because warriors dont push 20's im useless :))
xd
wooden sun
veng dh is squishy
oblique garnet
ooh
oblique garnet
i thought you were talking about warriors being squishy
wooden sun
nah, we big walls
outer dew
Tbh
lavish oracle
Monk seemed okay from what little I played of it during Legion
outer dew
I've had moments where I've been jealous of how BDK handles spikey damage
oblique garnet
The key is not to take spiky damage : )
outer dew
And monk feels garbo atm
buoyant inlet
And grips. Always jealous of grips
outer dew
There's no brew managment or energy management
wooden sun
just give more tanks aoe grips of sort, or let dps dk have it too
buoyant inlet
Oh and ranged interrupts. And every other broken thing they get
wooden sun
i feel like we could stomp hard enough to pull mobs in
buoyant inlet
@oblique garnet what kind of damage are you doing overall in your 15s? Probably depends on your healing and how often you need IP, but jw
outer dew
If we had dragon charge as a pve skill
neon tangle
At the end of the day I feel a little better when I die on BDK because I felt like I could do something / have some autonomy over my survival
outer dew
Overall depends
buoyant inlet
I’m just shy of 1.4k and saw you’re 32 world rank
outer dew
Don't let that fool you
buoyant inlet
So you’re pulling pretty big this week
buoyant inlet
2-3 packs at a time?
outer dew
Most of the people here are top 100 world
I don't know how I feel about saying that though
lavish oracle
I'm not but I'm working on it
oblique garnet
same tbh
neon tangle
my warrior didn't even get to top 100 on my server before I rerolled
oblique garnet
Im not happy till i beat @shut summit and that might take a while
wooden sun
top 100 on my server is 600 score
oblique garnet
Sense is higher than boost
outer dew
nah, boost is the hero :^)
neon tangle
@wooden sun My warrior certainly had <600 score
I was late to the xpac, and right when I started m+ was the period of time right after the blue post about warriors needing love
so pugging sucked
and my guild died
lavish oracle
Oh yeah, those were dark times
wooden sun
ah, i mean i dinged 3 days ago, managed to get to 350 y/day, now im 365 and at about 400 score
all i need to do is get all 10's done and ill be top 20 on my server
and thats draenor eu
neon tangle
oh, and the server I transferred to was tich
and i m+ on weekends
so basically nothing <10 counts
wooden sun
same for me
i think tich is basically the draenor of US
or maybe more like stormscale
with illidan being draenor
neon tangle
regardless, warrior is still sitting there at 372 ilvl, I might bring him back after 8.1
lavish oracle
What'd you reroll?
wooden sun
ive had more fun playing this warr in the past 3 days than i have playing pala tank for months
neon tangle
@lavish oracle BDK
lavish oracle
Gross
neon tangle
I enjoy it shrug
lavish oracle
I should probably level mine to 120 just to see how it plays in current content but I'm extremely lazy
and leveling it is boring af
neon tangle
DS is a button that feels good to press, same for grip, etc
some people don't like the downtime / empty globals tho
neon tangle
you prolly shouldn't play BDK then
wooden sun
as an outlaw rogue it tilts me to have dead globals for too long
neon tangle
as a tank I kinda like it, lets me focus more on the macro side of things, running the dungeon, making sure I can pick up pats, etc etc
but like I said, I'm a bad player, I'm sure sense and friends can do that better than me while playing warrior
wooden sun
just kinda enjoy being a clappyboi
lavish oracle
You kinda have to as a warrior unless someone else is shot calling since you have absolutely no utility of your own
neon tangle
I think clappyboi is also what has turned me off to warrior
lavish oracle
Calling for CDs, CCs, and interrupts, that is
neon tangle
will be better in 8.1, but during avatar all my shit is off CD and I'm not being able to press it
wooden sun
it feels awful being in a group with no aoe cc other than your shockwave
neon tangle
so I feel like I'm "wasting" my abilities
wooden sun
tfw you in avatar and you have revenge proc and clap off cd
lavish oracle
It'll definitely be nice to fit extra IPs in during Avatar
Especially when you can't rage dump effectively because you're too busy thunderclapping
neon tangle
Even just tclap+revenge+SS feels kinda weird
like it's all bunched up and I can't hit them fast enough cause of the GCD
lavish oracle
It should always be tc -> something else -> tc -> something else rinse repeat
and you can kinda shift what to focus on based on the situation
wooden sun
once IP is off gcd rage dumping during avatar will feel a lot nicer
neon tangle
yeah, that feels... bad to me? kinda like my GCD is now 3s
since every other one is tclap
lavish oracle
Fair
neon tangle
@wooden sun It will feel a little bit better, but I think people are overestimating how much rage is wasted during avatar cycles
I was looking at senses logs, and total increase is like 3-4% RPS
lavish oracle
It it's literally any, it's gonna feel like a huge difference
I had a friend who mains Fury, who said that once he stopped overcapping on rage (like 4 or 5 rage at a time, nothing huge) his DPS went up by 2k
neon tangle
well, look at your IP healing, and add 3-4% to that 😛
lavish oracle
Obviously tanking and dpsing is apples to oranges but even if it means an extra IP, it's gonna feel much better, even if numerically it's not that much better
wooden sun
extra ip could be the diff between being dedaf and not
neon tangle
yeah it'll certainly feel better
and give me less of that feeling during avatar cycles
nova rover
Question about keys, in temple of sethralis, the first boss, you dont burn the dude thats movable as fast as possible
?
neon tangle
^^^ be careful of revenge and shit too
sand egret
Adderis is the one you focus first, then swap to Aspix when the LS buff switches
lavish oracle
You do ideally want to kill the first active boss as soon as possible, though
sand egret
but the moveable ones are the ones you burn, as the LS ones stay stationary for the most part
just...pay attention haha
and split them. Mong DH + Blade Dance = dead DH
granted they'll probably have their Training Wheels active so it won't matter for the first 30 seconds
soft lotus
I'm getting so tired of this hatred boner towards protection warriors tanking anything
/rant
lavish oracle
Is it still a thing? Most people just act surprised to see a prot warrior, I haven't been flat out declined in a long time
wooden sun
multiple times today 😃
soft lotus
I play brewmaster and prot war, the difference is insane. Doesn't matter that I have cutting edge, still getting removed because warrior
"sorry no war tank"
lavish oracle
Ugh
wooden sun
signed for a 10 and someone just responded 'no warrior'
wooden sun
'i see dks and bm's pushing 19s and 20s but no warrs'
soft lotus
I hope they all get to eat a shoe in 8.1
wooden sun
i snapped at him tbf
neon tangle
@soft lotus @wooden sun FWIW this is part of why I just went to BDK
neon tangle
with like 300 i.o I could get invites to +10s
lavish oracle
There are warriors pushing 19s...?
soft lotus
I guess it's just a reminder to avoid pugs and keep activites within the guild
wooden sun
dont mind him, hes a green parsing sin rogue
lavish oracle
Might even be some pushing 20s, haven't checked in a while
oblique garnet
Razz draenor eu?
wooden sun
yes
soft lotus
but I mean warriors aren't that bad. It's some sort of hyped up hatred boner. It's irrational
if warriors were legit bad, I could understand
sand egret
"don't pick Ashe", "all rush mid", "omg ___ is shit, y u throw?"
etc
the entire premise is based upon a logical fallacy
lavish oracle
I feel like warrior might honestly be one of the best for pushing 10s, our DPS is nutty
sand egret
cant expect em to like....follow logic
oblique garnet
@wooden sun You can have the draenor rank 1 spot over my dead body
neon tangle
@soft lotus You gotta also consider that if you take an equally skilled person, and put them in a BrM and a prot warrior
the BrM is going to probably be better
It's just easier to play
soft lotus
sure
neon tangle
so when you get random pugs, your BDK and BrMs are going to be on average better
warriors, played poorly, are indeed WAY worse
sand egret
still illogical, but I understand where it's based in
soft lotus
but I mean, I linked cutting edge, and they kicked me for a demon hunter
neon tangle
For a raid?
soft lotus
yea
neon tangle
or m+?
soft lotus
heroic uldir
lavish oracle
I've heard from a healer friend that bad BDKs are worse to heal but I have no first hand experience
neon tangle
or, who knows, maybe they thought you dps'd CE
wooden sun
probs scarier
sand egret
I can see it
wooden sun
dk's spike low then self heal
sand egret
if you aint doing the selfheal part...
wooden sun
its awful as a healer to see a frame do that
sand egret
that's gotta be a shitty time
wooden sun
it makes you panic out of habit
lavish oracle
Yeah, that was his point. Imagine a class that's based around self heal and them imagine them not doing that
neon tangle
It took a bit for my healers to stop wasting mana trying to top off the BDK
after I swapped from warrior
sand egret
hpals....
god I want to believe
I just have had such consistently bad experiences with them
neon tangle
@lavish oracle FWIW even if a BDK doesn't self-heal they are more likely to survive random spike damage
just cause big health pool
e.g. a warrior who doesn't have shield block up will just get 1-shot on fetid
a BDK who doesn't DS will just make healers sad
neon tangle
which is... not going to let you progress, but certainly can also lead to that "warriors are bad" mentality
since 95% of dps just know whether you wiped to a tank death
lavish oracle
@sand egret 3rd highest rated healer is an hpal
sand egret
doesn't change my stance
soft lotus
brm is definitely easier. A monkey could tank mythic bosses and get away with it. Palas and warriors not so much
neon tangle
Maybe my answer is: BDKs are like an off brand BrM: they will survive big hits with minimal interaction and healers can take up the slack
lavish oracle
I'll take a mistweaver over an hpal any day but they're a pretty good substitute
neon tangle
But a BDK really fucking up has more consequences than a BrM fucking up
soft lotus
yep
wooden sun
hpala is nice, it just really relies on critting to heal for a reasonable amount it feels like
supple path
The perception of warriors is so ugh because honestly we're superior to BDKs on lower keys where there's no kiting and we're just fully DPSing.
Though BDK has more ability to deal with the group fucking up and doing dumb stuff.
supple path
But hah, yeah - to get in top 100 world as a prot warrior requires about a 1400 score, BDK 2000
Well yeah, that's my point - on a +19 or whatnot you'd have to kite even without necrotic.
But on a 13 or whatever where you don't, we shine.
neon tangle
Really depends on the affix
Sanguine, etc way nicer to have grips or at least a ranged interupt
supple path
Yeah, sanguine weeks I just avoid my prot warrior in the 'ranged asshole monster' dungeons.
oblique garnet
vectis is not the best
neon tangle
See my post earlier about punishment for mistakes on prot vs BrM or BDK
supple path
Yeah, the real world situation is sadly that you'll have an easier time and fewer wipes with other tanks, even if warrior is hypothetically absolutely fine.
So you saw basically no warriors on progression accordingly.
And then WoW does a thing where they go "oh you're 3% worse? SOUNDS LIKE 70% WORSE TO ME"
primal crypt
viable
worthy dagger
prots do a lot with higher gear
supple path
Yeah - which leads to the ol' antorus mechanic where we were the best at farm content.
I don't think I even needed heals on any heroic bosses by the end of that expansion.
neon tangle
Also if other tanks are more likely to get brought to progression content / content at all, they will on average have better gear
Which makes them more likely to get brought again
supple path
Yeah, though arms being decent at least lets us sneakytank our way in to collect loot.
neon tangle
@worthy dagger but yeah prot has a lot of places in Uldir where spell reflect does good shit
Fetid / ghuun / zek
Not fetid
Vectis
Unfortunately those parts don’t really make or break fights
supple path
My favorite spell reflect right now has to be lord waycrest
neon tangle
And on Zek DKs have a better time arguably 😛
supple path
Zek's very arguable since you're basically judging movement/survival utility vs DPS utility.
neon tangle
@oblique garnet DKs can totally absorb the first lash, avoiding the debuff
supple path
Yeah but you're talking about the difference between trivial and easy.
neon tangle
And have a 30% DR + 30% healing increase every combo, they always exit at 100%
supple path
The real factors there are stuff like "how does AE grip/DnD snare on adds compare to superior AE dps"
neon tangle
They just in particular break it
supple path
Which is gonna depend on your raid comp as much as anything.
neon tangle
Warriors being semi-distant second
supple path
I still want that stupid rogue ability nerfed just because it devalues AE damage
supple path
Yeah.
neon tangle
If zek / vectis were tuned to be the last boss I imagine warriors would have been brought more
oblique garnet
Its gone next week
neon tangle
I wonder how many guilds will stall on zul from that
I think it was like 14 total guilds who killed zul with <4 rogues
supple path
Was watching a stream where people were kiting around dozens of eels on the last boss in shrine while the sub rogue went to town and I was just like...I never want this to be part of my life.
oblique garnet
@outer dew got a fh 17 and td 17 for tomorrow 😃
oblique garnet
I want to be the best
And you said you would be coming for me but hows that going?
I hope that this time we dont wipe on the 3rd boss again
static tendon
Hows fury looking in 8.1? Didn't hear of any major changes
outer dew
1460
static tendon
Pvp talent utility buffs, sure
oblique garnet
Wrong channel buddy
static tendon
Oh!
static tendon
Whoops!
primal crypt
AND where is your stream
static tendon
Im on phone and potato fingers clicked on wrong channel
oblique garnet
Im trying to get to 20s 😦
primal crypt
stream the 17s
oblique garnet
Its 3.30am im not gonna do more keys today so cba streaming xD
oblique garnet
Why would you want to watch my stream anyways just watch senses or boosts xD
astral crystal
who it be
zinc creek
It's the golden time bois! Prot warrior getting poached now 
onyx vessel
Good shit
daring marlin
I like MW and Druid.
worthy dagger
Jes Howler or Myrhax trinket
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
so, this week instead of doing guild runs, I just got my guild master on his resto druid and we pugged into others keys ( last night) and I got a friend and we got pugs with high score ( tonight) and we fucking pumped
oblique garnet
i just a boomie who did 7.5k overall dps in siege 15 feelsbadman
sick sentinel
pugs were CCing correctly, stealth pot to skip SotS bridge, doing correct mechanics and big damage
15k overal and shit
cinder nova
I wish that was my last AD group
sick sentinel
and 2 battle tag friends 😄
outer dew
Sitting on a +16 shrine questioning my life
sick sentinel
the only key we failed was a 16 boralus for obvious reasons
oblique garnet
? Siege aint that bad this week
You can completely ignore the demo on last platform
sick sentinel
The healer getting literally trapped in the middle of the swirles
It has happened to every single run I have done
Second platform, swirlies
And how do you ignore the deva on the last platform (would not have made a difference, but good to know)
oblique garnet
You basically stick to left
Dont go right
At all
Or have everyone else go through first and wait at the gripping and you shoot the cannon and then leap where the cannon on 3rd platform is
zinc mauve
does the new affix for 8.1 come out when 8.1 drops or is it later?
oblique garnet
when new raid comes
sick sentinel
This sounds busted
zinc mauve
damn, thanks for the info fam
oblique garnet
Also if you have warlock just make him place the gateaway on left because sometimes heroic leap bugs out
sick sentinel
Jesus Christ said the Washington post
astral crystal
accept
sick sentinel
I'd rather not
Like I know i set myself up for that with the name and with the gender, but christ
daring marlin
@sick sentinel hey don't dox me jeez
sick sentinel
Too late
oblique garnet
@outer dew How the quality of the stream was?
outer dew
very nice
oblique garnet
huh i guess my pc can handle streaming better than i expected then
oblique garnet
@outer dew You shouldve seen the last boss XDD
soft kindle
@sick sentinel you can dodge the devastator tentacle or w/e it's called on second and third platform
you just have to stop and kill the one on the second platform on your way to the third, but you can avoid aggroing it until after you're done with the gripping
outer dew
meth
can you go nerf EU Horde
there's like no one on NA Alliance
what do
LAte's cheating yo
oblique garnet
Just watch and see what happens man
This will 100% be a deplete
unless these guys are gods
oblique garnet
@outer dew aand the healer left mid pull because i was "going too slow"
outer dew
@oblique garnet oi
you want me
to stream a bit
:^)
i've found a new interesting
discord feature
supple path
some people seriously overvalue "pull fast/big" as the only metric of success.
outer dew
it's a good metric
supple path
I've had healers complain about my pulls being too slow on so many runs we ended up +2ing
it's like they expect me to ride around, pick up 10 mobs, group them all up, then apply my ranged slow/dots to them and begin kiting.
and anything but that = HISSS I won't even check timer, it can't possibly finish in time
sand egret
I feel that mate. Although, Ive started to flex my pulls more. Honestly, not reppin my spicy boi enough. But for me its always a new healer but I got to get better at knowing what X healer at Y ilvl can produce
real talk, Resto shammy can rep hard
next goblet
hey im wondering.. does devastator do more dps than BV?
lavish oracle
Definitely not with Deafening Crash uptime
next goblet
hmnm ok
neon tangle
Try it after Tuesday
lavish oracle
I have a feeling it still won't be close but its too late at night for me to bother with the math
neon tangle
Yes
neon tangle
Also just to be sure, I’m shitposting, BV is still going to be better
Especially with IP off the GCD
next goblet
veng might be more viable tho
neon tangle
We can funnel more globals in to devastates
I will probably experiment with vengeance in m+
Just for shits and giggles
BV is a pretty big boon to our AoE burst though
And without AoE burst idk why you’d play prot warrior in m+
next goblet
to charge around lol
neon tangle
I’d prolly reroll VDH
neon tangle
Also eye beam looks cool
lavish oracle
VDH doesn't have eyebeam, does it?
neon tangle
Shit idk
lavish oracle
I think its just havoc which is also fun, so also a viable reroll option
Also it does a stupid amount of damage with almost no effort
neon tangle
I think this shows how many VDH I’ve actually seen in the wild
TIL VDH only have a single defensive CD
lavish oracle
Spamming Spirit bomb isn't a cooldown...?
next goblet
VDH does not have eye beam lol
neon tangle
Guess im not rerolling VDH then
sand egret
newp they do have sick slams tho
but yeah...they have one big cooldown that sucks
and a single target shield wall
aka it only nerfs a single target's damage by 40% not what you take from everyone.
but, the sustain + mobility is perty real.
next goblet
yeah im leveling it just to have one for m+ when im bored of DK
onyx vessel
Dk is fu.... zzzzz
Prot warrior has 0 sustain and mobility and shit load of defensives with dirt cds
Legit if they had self healing broken spec
soft kindle
If you ever shit talk Victory Rush again I will find you
soft kindle
First boss of atal, last boss of FH, First boss of KR, first boss of Siege, second boss of Siege, second boss in ToS, last boss in ToS, first boss in TD, Second boss in TD, Goliath in WC, pig in WC, last boss in WC
outer dew
wait
why are you hitting last boss
of FH?
why are you hitting the addss for last boss FH + KR
those are just perma CC
soft kindle
You can reliably proc VR on every one of those bosses
outer dew
but you shouldn't
smoky oak
Can you cc the raptors?
outer dew
those adds you throw an incap + bobs
smoky oak
On kr last boss?
soft kindle
first boss of KR? You can just TC them and kill
onyx vessel
Doesnt help you
smoky oak
Kinda does, depends how your grp does first boss lol
onyx vessel
I dont do m+ tho
soft kindle
LOL
onyx vessel
Cant get in range tho
outer dew
it just blows up and does retarded damage
smoky oak
Generally you keep them rooted lol
soft kindle
I'm not advocating it's a legit strat but
onyx vessel
We dont have a knockback
soft kindle
if you're a prot warrior and dying
onyx vessel
Why idk
soft kindle
you can use it to live
onyx vessel
Logic you have a shield
smoky oak
No, tell your healer to heal you or
outer dew
like, i guess that works
onyx vessel
Knockback?!?!?
outer dew
but in my mindset i'm not sure if that's something i'd do
soft kindle
I've done it as fury when healer died
smoky oak
Its actually really risky to kill the adds on kr first boss
outer dew
it feels too high risk for the reward
soft kindle
McMongo
the point was not that it's a strat you should aim for
but if you're already dyin
you can reliably do it without
insta death
onyx vessel
You got this
soft kindle
if it's proc that VR or die
proc the bitch
also
typing this
like 84 turtles have died
rofl
zinc mauve
- 15 freehold GET
zinc mauve
we got a 16 AD from it D:
zinc mauve
rip
jade socket
ad is fine this week
outer dew
ad is always fine
oblique garnet
last boss on atal is aids
next goblet
371 prot war.. +10s should be ezmode right?
soft kindle
Yah
sick sentinel
I'm planning to REMAIN prot for 8.1
Ha, see what I did there?
God I'm so not funny sometimes
frozen narwhal
good joke namebrother
sick sentinel
Lol another Kage
sick sentinel
Hey, fuck off meth
soft kindle
Fair
limpid condor
sick sentinel
still missing the utility of the DK, but for sure prot will be stronger
sick sentinel
Not stronger that it is now, but stronger than it currently is
errant oriole
good morning everyone
i know ive asked this before but prot wars are a very higih skill cap in regards to tanking?
and has anyone tested the new raid yet?
astral crystal
yeah monks are pretty busted like that
there's a lot more button juggling as prot
it's not particularly complicated, but you will always have something to press at least
worthy dagger
should i use my jes howler trinket or mythrax trinket? both at 385
astral crystal
tough call, both are pretty good
worthy dagger
exactly
astral crystal
are you talking for raid prog or m+?
worthy dagger
i know mythrax is a solid choice for m+
soft kindle
Why not both
astral crystal
guessing he has rezan's
soft kindle
Jes Howler is insane in m+
astral crystal
yeah howler is great for m+
sweet kettle
that vers is gucci af
astral crystal
good for raids too, but i think veiled eye would be great in a prog setting in say m ghuun
sweet kettle
have it at 365 still
sweet kettle
i use rezans and jes
ember arrow
worthy dagger
yeah as a prot i feel mythrax is very good since we dont have a real way to get back up
once were out of defensives thats pretty much it
and mythrax gives enough time for the healer to catch up
soft kindle
if a healer can't catch up with a prot warrs dmg intake, you're gonna die anyway usually
worthy dagger
true
errant oriole
is 8.1 going to make prot warriors any easier?
astral crystal
yeah