protection

[sick sentinel]

@inland mesa what percentage are you looking for anyway

Top1500?

Top100?

[inland mesa]

I usually try to find a laid back top 500ish. Was trying for some higher ups but then, at least the ones I applied to, were just toxic ass hats and I'd rather make sure we kill it but still have fun and enjoy the people I'm playing with

[sick sentinel]

I'm fine with toxic as long as I get realm first

[inland mesa]

ha, I was trying to move up, I think they were like 380 or something

[sick sentinel]

Or even world first

Oof

Ask for a reference from your guild love affair

[inland mesa]

oh, they're 187

lawl

the guild I joined is 586 but they got stuck on g'huun for a week or two longer than they should have, same for mythrax, their zul was 447

[uneven mason]

can confirm love kills guilds

my wife and I killed a guild, because my EXGF (who I was still living with) became GM while I was engaged

+++

I was the raidleader, I left, they collapsed

[primal crypt]

....you still lived with your ex???

While engaged???

Wat

[plain ice]

yea

[ember arrow]

threesome

[plain ice]

we need more info

this is a good friday morning story

let's hear it

[ember arrow]

morning

its 4 pm

ok

murika its morning

[lusty grotto]

today is meme day

so we can have this

[primal crypt]

I want more details @uneven mason

[sick sentinel]

@inland mesa did you apply to happy accidents? Lol

Or are they 197

[inland mesa]

yeah, I had friends in there but now looking at it they've mostly left

[sick sentinel]

No lol yeah that's my guild

[primal crypt]

Happy accidents is a good one

My buddy Gamdol raided with them

He got sick of bfa tho

As did most players

[sick sentinel]

I'm a casual though, not on the raid team :(

[primal crypt]

Ah

Yeah gamdol and gachi

[inland mesa]

where'd jake go, I just saw he left

[sick sentinel]

I know gachi

He called me a mean word

[primal crypt]

They're really good peeps

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

I only really talk to Kranich

And Undaddy in passing

[primal crypt]

Why did he call you a mean word

[sick sentinel]

Other than that I shitpost in /g

Uhhhh

No clue

Probably for meme

[primal crypt]

Nice

[inland mesa]

I knew creeper and people so that's why I applied but they've all moved on. Mittbitt was the last one I knew I think and he just left

[primal crypt]

Should have mean worded him back

[sick sentinel]

He logged off immediately

[primal crypt]

Mitt is a good guy too

[sick sentinel]

If you can stand the occasional n-word happy accidents is cool

[inland mesa]

yeah I raided with him for years in Wod and such until he became e famous MDI hero

[primal crypt]

@inland mesa yeaaaaa

Few of my friends used to play with him

[sick sentinel]

My ex isn't even aotc now B)

[primal crypt]

Then he got MDI famous

@sick sentinel the n-word is everywhere

Not just h.accidents

[sick sentinel]

Not in any guilds I've been in :p

Someone quit guild midraid because of the n word lmao

[inland mesa]

I applied and they meme'd me cuz my mythic DPS was low even though I could log analyze and point out why on every single fight >.>

[primal crypt]

The meme culture is getting big

Slowly infecting all guilds

[sick sentinel]

I got denied by maz

But idk why

Didn't bother looking

No exp most likely

[inland mesa]

they didn't tell me why, friends had to tell me lol

"prot warrior doesn't know how to prot warrior his dps is low"

[wide girder]

"if I can play in 3 specs why I can't live threesome?!"

[inland mesa]

have you looked at my gear and strats? 😢

[wide girder]

Via @uneven mason

[primal crypt]

What phase of progression were you trialing at lol

If it's towards the end, unless you're mythic geared, it's moot

[inland mesa]

two weeks ago, but I don't have syringe, vial, double archieve, any gutrippers, cheese strats, etc.

[sick sentinel]

Literally don't know how to check my application

[inland mesa]

if they deny you it closes

[primal crypt]

Also parse culture is toxic in general

And not the guild

I dont know anything about the guild

[inland mesa]

yeah, we sold our soul to it to try to get better rank, and we just got people out for themselves and their parse and kept falling rank lol

[primal crypt]

@inland mesa you were at a huge disadvantage lol

Had no nothing

Not even archive?

[inland mesa]

yeah I know, which is why I didn't defend it. My app literally said my dps parses are utter garbage and here's why

[sick sentinel]

Doesn't say why

But oh well

[primal crypt]

Rejected because rejected

That's why

[sick sentinel]

I don't get to get memed

You're lucky

:(

[inland mesa]

plus I was GM/Raid lead, so I was focused on calling that out as well as not having dps specific gear

[sick sentinel]

Raid leading as a warrior is your first mistake

[primal crypt]

Lel

[inland mesa]

I have one archieve, that I didn't get until....the week before? so I never parsed with it

[primal crypt]

Tell that to sense

[sick sentinel]

Sense is a freak

[primal crypt]

If Sense can do it, you can to

[inland mesa]

haha I watched his kill videos for g'huun

[primal crypt]

Just have to put that much effort

People are just lazy

[sick sentinel]

I haven't killed ghuun yet

[primal crypt]

It literally takes so mucb time and energy

Much*

[sick sentinel]

I like raid lead

But I don't want to, as a dps

[primal crypt]

Gotta have those multitasking eyes

Rather than tunnel

[sick sentinel]

Boring

I just wanna kill ghuun dawg fuck

[inland mesa]

I really enjoyed it, just came back to a guild with 6 people gone, we were only at 22, bunch on the fence, and strangers in the ranks so I was like do I want to keep exhausting myself for people who don't appreciate it

[sick sentinel]

We got him to 24% last week

[primal crypt]

That's what makes prot warrior fun a lot of the times, you have things to look at and do so that you don't die

[sick sentinel]

I don't get to be 8/8 either since we don't reclear until boss dies

[inland mesa]

aren't you in HA? @sick sentinel

[primal crypt]

Yuck

[sick sentinel]

I'm a casual lol

[primal crypt]

He's a casual

[inland mesa]

who are you raiding with then that is only getting him to 24?

[sick sentinel]

The guild I prog with is on hyjal

[inland mesa]

ah

[sick sentinel]

Last week was our first pulls

2day

[inland mesa]

I ran High Five until we deaded

we had to recruit 23 people to stay afloat this tier, legion was rough, BFA was ridiculous

[sick sentinel]

I want to prog 12h a day

[inland mesa]

O.O

[sick sentinel]

Prog is all I care about

That's it

[inland mesa]

I like doing it at a steady pace, I've done the push stuff then you just hate the game for like 3 months until the next raid

[sick sentinel]

I want world first

[primal crypt]

Wait

High five is ded?

High five was top tier last I remember

That was a while back though

[inland mesa]

we fell off in legion due to the revolving door, and just went through so many people this tier it got tiring. Didn't really have help, then e love killed the guild over thanksgiving when I was staying with my grandmother who doesn't have net

[sick sentinel]

I mean I'd at least have left my relationship before devoting myself to some internet girl

[blissful vault]

Any advice for a noob war tank going for TD9.? Usually dos but forgot to change loot spec when opening chest and got a shield so may as well give it a whirl.
Dps *

[inland mesa]

we started to tumble when Effin got too busy and I couldn't bounce strats off him, log analyze enough and got busy at work, all the officers I replaced him with never did as much so it was all one sided trying to carry the ship and play enforcer and fun at the same time didn't work

bring a rogue or blacksmith keys

[primal crypt]

@blissful vault

Use shield block

And shield slam

With that shield you got

[blissful vault]

Yeah I have I was meaning more TD specifically.

[sick sentinel]

@inland mesa make a new guild

And then invite me

[primal crypt]

@blissful vault use los

A few ranged in there that will make life sucky

[sick sentinel]

Open the cells before Jes

[primal crypt]

Pull backwards rather than in place, a few pats

[sick sentinel]

Prevents him from spawning them during fight

[primal crypt]

Use shield block

And shield slam

[sick sentinel]

Use devastate

[blissful vault]

Need a rouge or inscription for that right?

[primal crypt]

Or blacksmith

[inland mesa]

or blacksmith keys

[blissful vault]

Ok thanks

[primal crypt]

Moulin Rouge

[blissful vault]

Lol

[uneven mason]

@wide girder was back before they unlocked multispec (TBC), also @primal crypt Levko is correct

🎤 💧

[primal crypt]

What the hell you mean levko is correct

[sick sentinel]

Poly op

[primal crypt]

He only said threesome

What does that mean mac

Tell me

Pliz

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason were u poly

[primal crypt]

He's being vague and elusive

I'm sitting here with my phone waiting for quick response because I'm impatient

And my eyes are bugging out

[sick sentinel]

I think they were poly

[signal plover]

Levko is correct by not playing the game anymore mac

He is what we all secretly desire but cannot attain

[sick sentinel]

Legion private server

[steel minnow]

Brace for Impact or Archive of the Titans (for tanking M+)

[sick sentinel]

Depends on your other traits

[steel minnow]

can you elaborate?

[sick sentinel]

What are your other main traits

[steel minnow]

brace/deafening

[sick sentinel]

Archive

Most likely

[steel minnow]

aim for at least one brace?

I was curious what the logic was so I can evaluate in future

[sick sentinel]

I've been told that 2xarchive 1xdc is bis

[steel minnow]

ok, thanks

[sand egret]

eh, depends on what you need tbh

as long as you have one of DC and the rest of the "higher tier" ones you should be good

[inland mesa]

for dps cheese, double archive

[sand egret]

if you wanna dps cheese, it's 3x DC

[inland mesa]

and all the gutripper

[sick sentinel]

I might have 3xgutripper 2x385 archive 1xec

[steel minnow]

is there a site that's better than icy veins for this advice?

[sick sentinel]

No

[steel minnow]

icy veins article seems lacking for M+ specific traits

[sand egret]

i mean, they're all written by the same person

and its because there aren't any

our traits ain't really like that, outside of DC

[steel minnow]

I mean it puts Gutripper in the bottom tier

[stark sage]

defensively

it is

[sand egret]

BFI/IF/Archive are going to be where its at imho

[soft kindle]

BfI is more defensive oriented, Archive is more damage oriented

[steel minnow]

sure, but the article doesn't talk about that trade-off, or which traits are best for dps-maximize tanking in M+

[sand egret]

well, BFI will also get more benefit next week, with more overall SS casts

[stark sage]

well as a tank, you generally want to maximize your survivability

[soft kindle]

The article is purely for tanking. Staying alive and mitigating damage

[stark sage]

since that is the limiting factor as to how high you can go

[sand egret]

damage isn't something we're lacking

[soft kindle]

Any other things to consider, like trading survivability for damage, is up to you and your discretion

That said, prot does not lack damage in the first place

[sand egret]

we have that in spades, it's the rest of the job you build for

[steel minnow]

ok, thanks

[sick sentinel]

I don't have 3xgr

I have 2xgr

Cus my DC shoulders don't have an offensive second trait

Is there a better source for a gutripper DC shoulder?

[inland mesa]

you're not invited to my birthday party

[sand egret]

BFI has fun benefits, like big ol' SS's (useful for 1-shotting explosives). IF ends up getting more value per mob # and mob type, esp in M+ where you're getting auto'd a lot. Archive is stats so...yeah

take your pick, I personally run BFI x2 and 1x DC

if you really wanna min/max M+....I'd actually try to find pieces with those good traits plus IV/AV

I have 2x IV and 1x AV and that shit just puts in so much work.

[stark sage]

^

those defensive triats 👌

[uneven mason]

IV best trait

[inland mesa]

but you get meme'd if don't dps D:

[sand egret]

honestly, it hangs with the outer traits

you can't not dps

we're a warrior

[inland mesa]

yeah but parse culture

[sand egret]

i know...

[sick sentinel]

I can actually get 370 gr dc

[stark sage]

you can parse orange with defensive traits

🤔

[sick sentinel]

From item recovery

[soft kindle]

Watching Talic and Lala play with AV+IV, the healing is funny

[sick sentinel]

So 3x gr 2x archive 1x dc

[sick sentinel]

In 15 days

[uneven mason]

IV Boss level healing

[sand egret]

how many?

1x? 2x?

[soft kindle]

2

[sick sentinel]

IV?

[sand egret]

sounds about right

mine averages ~24-27% healing in a M+ run

[soft kindle]

look at the screenshot weep

[sand egret]

with 2x IV

[soft kindle]

IV

😛

[inland mesa]

unfortunately for now we're just kinda stuck with what we get out of a box

[uneven mason]

41casts almost 0 overheal

[sand egret]

wait a week

[inland mesa]

next tier I'm sure we'll figure out which we have to grind to buy at max level to be op

[soft kindle]

Get 15s done on alts this week bois

[sand egret]

that's the best part of the currency, finding pieces with IV

[sick sentinel]

I have 1xIV 2xRP

My azerite is actually stacked

[inland mesa]

filthy casual

XD

[sick sentinel]

Didn't realize

[sand egret]

IV > RP imho, although I say that while also loving the shield synergy we have with IP

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but I can't really chose

Choose*

[sand egret]

yeah i know

[uneven mason]

My Azerite setup

[sick sentinel]

It's either rp or glob/hatchet

[sand egret]

yeah f that, you got a good setup

[sick sentinel]

How can I make a setup like that

It's wcl I know

But like

[uneven mason]

the screeenshot?

[sick sentinel]

I wanna make one pog

Yes

[primal crypt]

Omg

Azerite veins

[uneven mason]

windows key

[primal crypt]

Did you guys watch @hot locust testing??

[uneven mason]

type "SNIP"

run snipping tool

+++ Professional IT

[primal crypt]

Azerite veins completely broken

Prot warrior soloing trash again

[sick sentinel]

No

[primal crypt]

And he was doing 14s

[sick sentinel]

Not what I mean

I use sharex anyway

[inland mesa]

testing what?

[primal crypt]

Ptr

[uneven mason]

PTR

[inland mesa]

what's the stream?

[primal crypt]

He was testing our traits and stuff

He was soloing everything np

By himself

[uneven mason]

AV + IV

"soloing by himself"

[sand egret]

that's my setup

[primal crypt]

You know what I meN

[uneven mason]

🤦

[primal crypt]

Cm nao

[sick sentinel]

I want to make a menu for my traits

[primal crypt]

[sick sentinel]

But I guess I'll do it manually

[sand egret]

i just took a screen shot of r.io

[uneven mason]

click summary

[sick sentinel]

Mine isn't on r.io

[sand egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

I main dps

[uneven mason]

Warcraft logs does it for you

[sick sentinel]

Yes but I main fury D:

All my logs r fury

[uneven mason]

Sounds like a personal problem

[sand egret]

^

my thoughts exactly

you got bigger issues than screenshots

[sick sentinel]

True but I wasn't complaining 🤔

[primal crypt]

Apped to a guild..."can you play arms?"

Damnit

About to run the switcheroo

[sand egret]

ran a dungeon last night and snagged a resto shaman

had a rogue/boomie/frost

[primal crypt]

Wait for the tank to not be available

And swoop in for the spot

[sand egret]

resto whispers me, "let's roll these meta fucks"

was hilarious

[primal crypt]

Lmao

Resto is so good tho

[wide girder]

Str flask or hp flask for m+?!

[primal crypt]

Str

Always str

[sand egret]

Earth Shield

is swag

[wide girder]

Ty man!

[primal crypt]

Earth shield mmmm

[sand egret]

works so well with Prot

[primal crypt]

Riptide

Mmmm

[sick sentinel]

2x385 Archive
2x385 Gutripper
1x385 IV
1x385 RP
1x360 DC
1x360 RP

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel that's a terrible screenshot

[sick sentinel]

Thanks

[sand egret]

shift + windows + s

😁

[primal crypt]

Why not just use the snip tool

[sick sentinel]

I use sharex

[primal crypt]

Best thing ever

[sick sentinel]

I'm not at home rn

Haha

[sand egret]

because it IS the snip tool

[primal crypt]

Built into windows

[sand egret]

but native +)

[primal crypt]

Ohhhhh

[sick sentinel]

I'm manually going to wowhead and picking out my traits

[primal crypt]

Yikes

Yokess

[sand egret]

lol, well it looks like a solid setup

I dont have access to archive so I can't speak for it, but personally I find it boring AF

[primal crypt]

I swapped to triple resounding protection

I'm liking it so far

[sand egret]

shields + IP = valuetown

[primal crypt]

Mhmm

At least once tou track your shield

[sand egret]

but...IV is 👌

[sick sentinel]

I've been told that my current traits are almost full bis

[primal crypt]

I just let it do its thing

[sick sentinel]

Does gutripper work with aoe?

[primal crypt]

Iv is def spicy

[sand egret]

not sure @sick sentinel , I haven't tested it

[sick sentinel]

I want to parse 99s in heroic

Pog

[primal crypt]

Question though, are there any externals that stack

[sand egret]

not really a fan of it personally

[uneven mason]

"externals?"

[sand egret]

ya know what's growing on me

[primal crypt]

I was making a set of weakauras to track externals casted on me

[sand egret]

Overwhelming Power

[sick sentinel]

I have op as well

[soft kindle]

GR is aoe

[primal crypt]

And was wondering if there was a time that sac should be casted on me while wall is up

[uneven mason]

What do you mean by stack Yamo?

[primal crypt]

Pally sac + wall

[uneven mason]

they're all multiplicative

so yes they "Stack"

[primal crypt]

All of them??

[sick sentinel]

@soft kindle I'm gonna pad so hard dude

[sand egret]

yar

[uneven mason]

yes.

[primal crypt]

Thanks. Lol

[sand egret]

ya know how shitty it would be if they didnt lol

[primal crypt]

Now, is there anytime you would need that much though?

Or is it more effective to use one at a time

[sand egret]

if there is a damage situation high-enough?

[sick sentinel]

We squishy

[primal crypt]

No matter the amount of dmg incoming

[sick sentinel]

I have 5 hours to learn prot

[sand egret]

totally up to the damage profile mate

[uneven mason]

my co tank died on MZek

[sand egret]

if its a singular hit

[primal crypt]

Oh sorry, I'm talking specifically m+

[sand egret]

even then

more typically damage in M+ is more sustained

so prob not

but, if it's 4 sync'd water blasts with no interupts or SR up....

maybe not a bad time to double up and pray?

[primal crypt]

Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around it and there's too many factors

LOL

[sand egret]

it'd be a gametime call if ever the time

[primal crypt]

yikes to 4 water blasts no interrupts

[sand egret]

or 2 enrage bois on fort + teeming in KR that you gotta tank for ~6 seconds

[primal crypt]

....ugh

[sand egret]

that'd be a good case

[primal crypt]

It's horrible without a hunter

I alsays have one in there

Just save my head

Always*

[sand egret]

i bring a boomie for that boss anyway

[uneven mason]

SO yeah, co tank died on MZek, I had to eeat a 2nd SHatter

[primal crypt]

Boomie/hunter

[uneven mason]

so I got Pain Sup, Wall, Sac

[primal crypt]

And lived

[uneven mason]

dropped to 95% health

[primal crypt]

Lol

[sand egret]

there ya go ^

[primal crypt]

That's a feels good

That's perfect

[uneven mason]

tanking with 2 stacks for 12 seconds after

did not feel good

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sand egret]

did some pally LoH you for that extra FeelsGoodMan moment

[uneven mason]

since i Couldn't be healed for 6s of it

[primal crypt]

Took that long for brez?

Well that too

[uneven mason]

we didn't have one up for that long

[primal crypt]

Did you guys kill him that pull?

Because that's a really good story for picking up chicks

Took a second shatter

[uneven mason]

You know that part in DIE HARD

[primal crypt]

Didnt even die

[uneven mason]

where he jumps off the roof with the FIrehose

thats what it felt like

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[sick sentinel]

Prot too hard

Time to roll bdk

Kappa

[uneven mason]

Made me nostalgic for being able to solo take Foe Breakers back in ABT

2nd Foe breaker K, might break IP this time.

[primal crypt]

Lmaoooo

Best feeling

[inland mesa]

I took 2 shatters this week too and then died to melee after right as it was about to wear off D:

[primal crypt]

Soloi g foe breakers

[steady slate]

Good morning!

[sick sentinel]

Why did they have to gimp prot from legion

:((

[uneven mason]

they didn't

relative to other tanks we're rather strong in raids

[primal crypt]

^

[sick sentinel]

Relative to two tanks

[uneven mason]

my paladin co tank gets his ass ripped apart while I'm like, sledding downhill on my shield

[sick sentinel]

I've done goon with a prot paladin

[steady slate]

After a couple weeks of awful affixes, this week's are like a rose garden in bloom

[prisma crane]

i mean, prot in legion was tankier than we are now, so technically we did get gimped

but so did everyone else

[primal crypt]

Bdk especially

Cant heal like they used to

[sick sentinel]

I think "everyone else sucks so we aren't that bad" is a bad mindset imo

[prisma crane]

yea, that's totally why they arent still M+ kings

[primal crypt]

Ahahaha

[sick sentinel]

That's 1 spell :p

Aoe heal

Bad in raid

[primal crypt]

We're good in m+ too

Just have to really be sober

[inland mesa]

how much less damage should we be taking than a bdk co tank?

[sick sentinel]

We're glorified DPS until Tuesday

[primal crypt]

Why

[sick sentinel]

Ignore pain off gcd will do wonders for m+ defensive

[steady slate]

there's nothing wrong with a tank doing good damage

[sick sentinel]

I didn't say it was wrong 🤔

[primal crypt]

Oh yeah, aoe packs

[steady slate]

sounded like you were complaining a littel

[primal crypt]

The rage overflow won't feel as bad

[prisma crane]

extra effort, less results, M+ prot vs BDK in a nutshell

[uneven mason]

Also I fibbed I didn't tank Zek once the Sac/PS/Wall wore off

[sick sentinel]

I'm complaining that ip isn't on gcd

Off*

[uneven mason]

I had one of the arms warriors taunt and DBTS Him for 6 seconds

[primal crypt]

@prisma crane lololol

[sick sentinel]

That's my complaint, and it's being resolved xD

[steady slate]

if it were just the ip change by itself, i wouldn't be very excited

[primal crypt]

Who was mad about that, someone in bere preferred ip on gcd

I can't remember who it was

[sand egret]

@uneven mason now that warrior should have been given a cookie

that's some real shit right there

[open bluff]

"less results"
gets complimented more by both guild and pug healers on prot warr vs bdk

[uneven mason]

they got boots

[open bluff]

[uneven mason]

so I guess that is cookie

[sand egret]

yep

that's that arms warrior that was made to roll dps but was just WAITING for that moment haha

[prisma crane]

@open bluff numbers dont lie either, didnt say you "couldn't" do it

[uneven mason]

He's normally stoned out of his gourd, but that time I was like DUDE TAKE HIM

[prisma crane]

and in raids we're "fine"

[sand egret]

when I finally got to evasion tank Gruul as a rogue = best feeling

[steady slate]

i've heard that we struggle on fetid

[sand egret]

sweet power fantasy

[open bluff]

i mean, the only time i die to anything on my warr is when the healer(s) fall asleep

[sand egret]

healer sleeping is real

[steady slate]

i'm not allowed to tank raids, so i just hit things with a big axe

[open bluff]

that's about the only time my bdk outshines the warrior

[prisma crane]

and you're doing what keys? 15+?

[sand egret]

I die more times when my healer is > 90% mana than when < 20% mana

usually followed by a "my bad..."

[steady slate]

lol

[sand egret]

that kitty ps

dps* just too intoxicating

[open bluff]

nah i'm still carrying the rest of my M+ group through 10s and 11s, fun peeps tho so i'm not complaining about it

[sick sentinel]

Evasion tank was world first kj too

Iirc

DPS are the real tanks

[prisma crane]

well yea, on relatively trivial content warriors shine, no one is arguing that

[steady slate]

i'm still learning all the dungeon mechanics, what mobs i can spell reflect, etc. i'm grinding my way into 9s

[sand egret]

sick dude

top reflect contenders imho are:

• Rock Lance in ML
• Wasting Strike in WM
• Chemcical Burn in ML
• Blood Bolt in UR

[sick sentinel]

If it goes off volley in KR as well

[sand egret]

• Salt Blast in TD

[steady slate]

i've been watching sense a lot, so i have an idea of what prot is capable of.

[sand egret]

• Decaying Touch in WM as well

[sick sentinel]

But it should never go off

[soft kindle]

@steady slate prot smashes on Fetid

actually

[steady slate]

@soft kindle that would make more sense. i've never tanked it and i've yet to be in a guild with a warrior raid tank, so i've not seen a warrior try

but fetid is mostly physical damage, right? seems like a warrior fight

[primal crypt]

@steady slate trash tanking is fun

Only second to bdk imo

[soft kindle]

Main tank, prot and monk are best, off tank, prot and dk are best

[sick sentinel]

BLOOD BOIL

[soft kindle]

Dk is better at thrash, monk is closer as main tank but it's significantly easier to play properly

[next ermine]

Warrior really shines on fetid

[steady slate]

we use pally and dh

[sick sentinel]

Monk is so easy to play holy

[soft kindle]

DH thrash tank, prot main tank right?

[sick sentinel]

I want to main my brm so bad but traits and ilvl

[steady slate]

they both like tanking, so i'm odd man out

[primal crypt]

Why brm

They suck

[open bluff]

brm is so boring

[primal crypt]

Worst tank in bfa

[sick sentinel]

Because it's free kills in raid

[prisma crane]

they don't suck 🤦

[sick sentinel]

Don't even have to ironbrew

[primal crypt]

Dont even touch brm

[sand egret]

lol brm isn't super engaging to me, personally

[prisma crane]

they may be boring, but they're strong AF

[primal crypt]

Not wurf

[sick sentinel]

My brm is like 340

[primal crypt]

Just play prot

[sand egret]

my decisions aren't really rewarded

unlike with Prot

[sick sentinel]

My prot is for selling m+

My brm is for raids

[primal crypt]

Nah, brm poop

No good

🍆

[open bluff]

true story: first time i pugged heroic on my monk i was like 340, RL said the ywere checking logs so i put in app "fuck logs, am brm"

[prisma crane]

i mean, if you guys wanna psuh prot for reasons, im all for it, but stop lying about other classes

[open bluff]

auto invited simply because brm

[sick sentinel]

Brm is rewarded for existing

[soft kindle]

I mean, yeah

monk doesn't require gear or skill

to any extent as other tanks

obviously you'll struggle in mythic if you're like 350

but

[primal crypt]

Same with locks on dps side

[sand egret]

it's a function of Stagger as a mechanic, unfortunately

[soft kindle]

what

the fuck

[steady slate]

i really like the stagger mechanic.

[sick sentinel]

Locks require skill lol

But only to cap dps

[sand egret]

it's passive and inherently shifts responsibility to the healers

[open bluff]

gate placement on g'huun is 1000% skill

[primal crypt]

Not have aotc as a lock on week 1 is a feels bad

[sick sentinel]

Getting high dps as a lock is residentsleeper

[soft kindle]

maybe destro or demo, but fuck those specs

[sick sentinel]

Maxxng dps as a lock is 400iq

Maxing

[next ermine]

My rlead has me playing aff lock since we have alot of warriors

It has quite a bit going on at oncr

[open bluff]

the main problem with brm is blizzard took away the rest of the spec's kit to focus entirely on stagger

[sand egret]

@steady slate Stagger as a mechanic conceptually is cool, but due to the fact that the cadence is static, it's fundamentally flawed

as there is no inherent urgency

[open bluff]

whereas when brm actually had plates to spin and stagger was more of a backup mitigation mechanic the spec was actually fun

[sick sentinel]

The main problem is that stagger is ridiculously strong

[open bluff]

well yes

[sand egret]

and grass is green

[sick sentinel]

There's nothing wrong with having an uber simple tank spec

[steady slate]

@sand egret i never really understood the nuts and bolts of it, just that from a functional perspective it's a unique look at mitigation

[open bluff]

but it's so strong because blizzard took everything else away

[sand egret]

totally agree

[sick sentinel]

But it's super easy and super rewarding

[open bluff]

so they had to make up for it

[primal crypt]

They should make shield block static amirite?

[sick sentinel]

And that shouldn't really be

[primal crypt]

Always blocking

[sand egret]

however, the issue is that there is no difference in how you deal with red stagger vs green

as the cadence doesn't change

[sick sentinel]

That's because of the talent mostly

It rewards high stagger

[steady slate]

i still prefer my prot warrior over my monk and dk. i'm much more familiar with prot, and since i only have to worry about a couple major defensive cds, i can focus on doing damage and situational awareness

[sand egret]

in a world where stagger decreased in duration as it increased in damage, then you'd create a reason to purify

[steady slate]

oh. i understand what you mean now

[sand egret]

but now, regardless your healers always have the same rate to react. In a world where there's so much healing (raid healing) that point is a non-factor

as tanks can be topped quite easily by multiple healers

[steady slate]

i thought the trigger was that as you approached red the DOT became too difficult to heal, which gave the reason to purify

[sand egret]

theoretically, yeah

[steady slate]

that's true, but you also don't want the healers blowing through their mana bars keeping you up

[sand egret]

but they don't have to

the damage is spaced

inefficient heals are fast and expensive

aka to react

[sick sentinel]

You don't purify based on stagger

[sand egret]

you don't have to react as much

due to damage being normalized

[sick sentinel]

Your stagger is completely away from purify

[sand egret]

that's why stagger as a mechanic will always be strong on progression, fights where damage patterns aren't known.

(and prot suffered, as we benefit greatly from foresight due to a purely proactive mitigation kit)

[steady slate]

on an unrelated topic, i have a 380 gore-crusted butcher's block that i use for arms. it's my highest ilvl trink. is it worth using over a 355 rezan's gleaming eye in prot?

[sand egret]

most likely

are you like.....crack-head desperate for haste? if so, maybe not but that ilvl increase is really solid and crit does have it's defensive benefits.

[steady slate]

well, without into the fray, i'm only at 12%

[sand egret]

if you do M+, even more reason

[sick sentinel]

Luckily fury and prot mostly share stat prio

[sand egret]

what rating # is that? I like to sit ~ 1k or so haste

I've been leaning into a crit-focused build recently for M+.

[sick sentinel]

For fury?

[sand egret]

wut?

we in prot bud

[primal crypt]

@steady slate I use a 370 rezan + 380 butcher

Works nicely

[sand egret]

showoff

my rezan's is 360

lol

[primal crypt]

I just got it yesterday lol

[sand egret]

but i use the same setup

[primal crypt]

Hehehe

My wife was all happy because she thought I was going to give it to her on her new bdk

She was tanking btw

I told her I only have a 365, and she tried to argue it was only 5 ilvls

...sorry, it's soulbound

To my personal soul

Not my in game avatar

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret I know where we are

I wasn't sure what your question was

[lusty grotto]

rip blade

[sick sentinel]

Because rezan is proc

[steady slate]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/zuljin/Roaald

i'm at 11%, 754 rating

[lusty grotto]

what did i miss

[primal crypt]

That mog

Needs jesus

[stark sage]

i like it

[lusty grotto]

it needs Chef Nimchip

[steady slate]

took me a while to figure out how to pull up a wow armory page

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/area-52/Faelastia

Pog

[lusty grotto]

chef nimchip to the rescue

[sick sentinel]

That's not my current gear or mog

[primal crypt]

Chef Nim

[steady slate]

the only part of my mog i dislike is my shield, but i haven't found a better one yet

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto how you get that apron

[lusty grotto]

tillers

[primal crypt]

Oh righttt

Forgot about them

[steady slate]

it's a nice mog

[lusty grotto]

i put some clothes on so that bladesong wouldn't get excited

[primal crypt]

About to copy you and be chef yam

[steady slate]

lol

[primal crypt]

We can cook together

[sick sentinel]

I'm using this season's pvp set

[lusty grotto]

this was my old one

bladesong control your boners

[sick sentinel]

How am I going to find a matching 1h and shield mog 😭

[lusty grotto]

yamo just make sure you always re-equip your chef hat

after dying rip

[steady slate]

i don't know if you can, @sick sentinel. your prot dreams might be dead

[sick sentinel]

You prot boys are gonna help me mog out, right?

@steady slate it's okay

8.1 heritage armor soon

[lusty grotto]

nope i'm sorry to say but you're beyond our help

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto yeah :(

[sick sentinel]

😭

[primal crypt]

@sick sentinel pvp more

Get the matching sword and shield

Theres a matching 1h and shield

For the current pvp

I'm actually pretty fond of it

[sand egret]

seriously?

[sick sentinel]

http://www.wowdb.com/items/82595

[sand egret]

i go away for like 10 minutes

[sick sentinel]

@primal crypt I'm lazy

[sand egret]

and that fucking Chef is in here

[sick sentinel]

Fine sitting at 1800

[lusty grotto]

Blade i told you to control your boners man

[primal crypt]

Control the bons

[sick sentinel]

I'm going to use blood elf heritage no matter what

I have BE pride

[sand egret]

....

bout as rigid as Play-Dough.

[primal crypt]

That's so floppy

[lusty grotto]

hey a semi is still a boner

[sand egret]

also, ya'll are missing a significant amount of spicey boy in your life

[lusty grotto]

ok guys back on topic: are we *viable* on 8.1

[sand egret]

it mog's itself

[primal crypt]

Im not alliance

[steady slate]

well, it's aspiring to be a boner

[sand egret]

but right

[primal crypt]

I would be spicey boi tho

[sick sentinel]

http://www.wowdb.com/items/125207

This could be good

[inland mesa]

they deleted us out of 8.1

[sand egret]

are we viable in 8.1?

[steady slate]

hell nimchip, we're viable right now

[lusty grotto]

viable

[sick sentinel]

@steady slate no way

[primal crypt]

We're viable??

Wat

[lusty grotto]

hold the fuck on, why are you using wowdb

[sick sentinel]

Since when

[primal crypt]

Prot is meme

[lusty grotto]

viable

[sand egret]

is wowdb viable?

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto icy veins links to it and I'm on mobile

[sand egret]

is it the prot of databases

[lusty grotto]

its the bear of databases 😦

i'm sorry

[sand egret]

woah

[lusty grotto]

i couldn't help myself

[sand egret]

low blow

leave my furboi alone

[inland mesa]

we don't have a simc c, we aren't viable

[sick sentinel]

I was working on sims

For prot

[steady slate]

it's a viable spec, in that it's capable of being played. So is elemental by that standard.

[sick sentinel]

But then I quit

[lusty grotto]

Are Bears viable in 8.1?

non

vortex tho

[inland mesa]

roar making that comeback

[sand egret]

but is that viable

[sick sentinel]

Is fury a viable tank in 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

it is a little bit viable

[dapper sky]

Liable to be viable

[sand egret]

is it ...too viable?

[primal crypt]

Yo

Who do I talk to

About helping with prot sims

[sick sentinel]

Me

[halcyon shard]

yes

[lusty grotto]

^

[primal crypt]

I have so much time on my hands

[sand egret]

oooh I have a suggestion:

[sick sentinel]

Denied

I'm not taking your suggestions

[sand egret]

after the sim, the output just says "viable"

so when people ask

[lusty grotto]

how much dps? VIABLE Dps

[sand egret]

and we say "sim it"

[primal crypt]

Lmao

[sand egret]

it tells them that it is in fact, "viable"

[sick sentinel]

Is that possible? Yes

[primal crypt]

[sick sentinel]

Are we gonna? No

Prot sims will never exist

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck simc i want to know the number! "fuck your number, you're viable, now man up"

[sick sentinel]

Sorry to burst your bubble

[signal plover]

"Viable Tank" is mAh discord nickname

Wait

I fucked that up

My Details nickname

Carry on

[sick sentinel]

Hmmm

[lusty grotto]

F

[primal crypt]

F

[signal plover]

thank

[dapper sky]

Ya'll are too pliable about Prot being liable to be viable.

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone join pugs and get sad when they don't nearly top meters

[primal crypt]

I just ordered a triple platter of bbq

[sick sentinel]

Mmmmm

Yummy

[lusty grotto]

a viable meal

[primal crypt]

A true warrior

[sand egret]

but is that bbq viable?

[primal crypt]

Viable bbq

[sick sentinel]

Is the sauce viable?

[sand egret]

👌

[sick sentinel]

And the plate?

[primal crypt]

Naked bbq

[signal plover]

Pulled pork, ribs and?

[sand egret]

dry rub > wet rub

[primal crypt]

No viable sauce

[sand egret]

in the most nonsexual way possible

[primal crypt]

Just rub

[lusty grotto]

hmmmm...

[primal crypt]

All ryb

[lusty grotto]

why not both

[primal crypt]

All rub

[signal plover]

Noyce

[primal crypt]

viable rubs only

[sand egret]

while I can appreciate the ritual of wetnaps and a dipping bowl, I find that dry rub is far more viable to eat in most settings

[signal plover]

Lol what are u a paladin

[lusty grotto]

oof

shotsfired.gif

[sand egret]

ew

[primal crypt]

LMAOOOOO

[sand egret]

do I look like I'm wearing a chef mog?

[lusty grotto]

HEY

[sand egret]

reflected

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin is another different character

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

😢

[signal plover]

O snapparoo

[primal crypt]

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[signal plover]

Shoe Soup clap hell ya

[lusty grotto]

oh god lol

every single time

[sick sentinel]

Should I even bother playing prot before they take ignore pain off the gcd? Is it viable?

[lusty grotto]

it is viable

if you're not viably bad

[uneven mason]

95% of protection warriors problems are behind the keyboard

[sick sentinel]

I want my full 99s bro

[inland mesa]

the monitor?

[sick sentinel]

Should be easy though because nobody plays prot

[signal plover]

@uneven mason u mean like the monitor?

[lusty grotto]

it should

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason PEBCAK

[uneven mason]

from the keyboards perspective, the montior is in front.

[sick sentinel]

PEBKAC also

[lusty grotto]

from my perspective, the jedi are evil

[sick sentinel]

Well then you are lost

[uneven mason]

I agree Nim

[inland mesa]

but the keyboard is facing forward and you

o.O

[signal plover]

The keys face the user not the monitor tho

Chew gets it

[lusty grotto]

The senate does as well

[sick sentinel]

I am the Senate

[inland mesa]

man looking at my stuff vs marokk makes me sad, I need a syringe - TC crit % 17 vs 34 ugh

[lusty grotto]

Yes Chancellor

[uneven mason]

Where do you sit to drive a car?

Behind the wheel?

[signal plover]

At the wheel

[uneven mason]

[signal plover]

Well

[sick sentinel]

It's bait don't answer

[signal plover]

The steering wheel

Not outside

[uneven mason]

if you're operating a machine, are you not, Behind the controls

[signal plover]

That'd be silly

[lusty grotto]

Alexa play Despacito 2

[signal plover]

You're at the controls

Or

Is the machine actually controlling you

[uneven mason]

Who is "BEHIND" This scheme

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[inland mesa]

I'm really a trained monkey

[uneven mason]

we all are

its why we 🛡

[signal plover]

SHIELLD BLOCKUUU

[sick sentinel]

Will I be welcome here if I come back to prot?

[uneven mason]

no

BDKs only

[lusty grotto]

hey guys stop making fun of Lord Warrior Boost

[signal plover]

Where u been?

[sick sentinel]

Trying out some fury

[signal plover]

Boi

[lusty grotto]

ugh

sorry no

[signal plover]

Come on back

[lusty grotto]

you're not welcome

only arms is

[signal plover]

Nim drinks shoe soup don't mind him

Fury is bae

[lusty grotto]

I AM THE SENATE

[signal plover]

You ain't even the house of representatives

[lusty grotto]

fury is yuck

🤝

ok ok we'll allow it

[sick sentinel]

I'm the Senate

😊

That's literally impossible

I'm already the Senate

[lusty grotto]

a surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[sick sentinel]

So who’s palpatine?

General Kenobi

[primal crypt]

Fury is great for explosive and ghuunies

Really good

[sick sentinel]

^^^^^^^^

[uneven mason]

It is

[sick sentinel]

Yamorino?

[uneven mason]

Know what else is good for explosives

[lusty grotto]

yup

[sick sentinel]

Suits, since Yami means darkness

[uneven mason]

Prot

[lusty grotto]

yeah lay off my orbs, i need to roleplay bdk

[uneven mason]

VR FOR DAYS

BDK can't touch that helaing

[primal crypt]

I SAID FURY THO

[lusty grotto]

no furries invited to my group on explosive sry

[primal crypt]

yamorino not yamimoto

[sick sentinel]

I'm furry

[primal crypt]

Im my own furry

[lusty grotto]

mongos

[primal crypt]

I have to share my tanking spot

But im ok with that for 40k a run

Ill be a monkey for that

[lusty grotto]

NEG

[sick sentinel]

Yamimoto I love that reconstruction

I'm selling keys as prot pog

[soft kindle]

@lusty grotto fuck you

[primal crypt]

Pog

[soft kindle]

😡

[lusty grotto]

word up

HEHEHEHEH summoned Meth

[primal crypt]

This week is a really good one

No limitations at all

[primal crypt]

😡

[lusty grotto]

🙌

[sick sentinel]

You can summon Meth?

I can

Teach me

I need him for raid tomorrow

Mongos

[soft kindle]

Yah?

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sick sentinel]

hey meth o/

[primal crypt]

LOL

Dragon's Charge is off the gcd too??

Yeasss

[uneven mason]

EoTS bridge patrol

[sand egret]

or master of LM

[uneven mason]

yeah that too

or protector of the flag at BS

[sand egret]

i love sitting atop my perch

bonus points if a rogue tries to “steal it” but never played Vanilla so they have 0 idea you can break sap

hek hek hek

[uneven mason]

They do that for flipperhanded monkeys who take adaptation

since it force triggers your medallion

Also, I sit on sap

unless they go for the flag

I hold berserker for blind

cause that does get them by surprise

[sick sentinel]

Berserker works on blind

Pog

[uneven mason]

its a disorient

ya

erm counts as incapacitate *

[sand egret]

uh

was gonna say lol

[uneven mason]

when tey redid the DR schools for CC

[sick sentinel]

It didn't work for me as fury

[uneven mason]

the only one that really stops us is cyclone

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

[uneven mason]

nm derp

not blind

its gouge

but RIP

[lusty grotto]

yeah was gonna say

cause shit if that was true, i was about to do a massive table flip

[uneven mason]

I don't PVP a whole lot anymore 570 RBG rating represent

[lusty grotto]

bop removes blind 😃

and you can reflect cyclone

[uneven mason]

Iknowthatmuch

my favorite reflect was classic TBC

[lusty grotto]

oh? druid trinket? leap fear to africa

[uneven mason]

POMPYRO

let him sheep you

[lusty grotto]

yup

[uneven mason]

hit medallion/spell reflect

watch him die to his own pyroblast

[lusty grotto]

you needed to be good at it for glad runs

[dusk locust]

you can reflect cyclone?

what happens