yeah
#protection
lusty grotto
oh you mean the enrage dudes
uneven mason
I literally just blew avatar and then ran
sand egret
yeah
lusty grotto
(cough get a druid)
sand egret
yeah going with his comp
lusty grotto
ooh boy
uneven mason
to be fair me the healer and the shaman were all pretty much 6 sheets gone already
saturday night post outing dungeons ++
lusty grotto
i missed that part
sand egret
best bet is prob just RoP the doorway to seperate the two biggos from the lil's, and have your 2 melee just try and beat their enrage timers
keen spire
M+ while drunk = Best+
sand egret
you can CC the lil'est guys
uneven mason
they were like WE need a tank for KR!!!!
and I Was like Oh hey I need a KR for my io score REEEEEEEEEEE
sand egret
haha
when all is said and done, i like KR
it's hard, but I like it vs like ToS
which is just lame
astral crystal
i find temple to be way easier than KR
it's just never fun to do the stupid room right after the first boss
those minibosses are cancer
sand egret
easy/hard isn't why I dislike ToS
so difficulty is irrelevant to why I dislike ToS, tbh
astral crystal
just commenting
sand egret
I like the concept of the mini-bosses
the physical space itself....makes the mechanics of them...forced
sand egret
maybe not a popular opinion, but if they could make a Mythic and M+ dungeon in the Trial of Crusader format, I'd love it. Just mini-boss > boss > miniboss > Boss, etc
astral crystal
the hunter miniboss is absolute aids
sand egret
if the solution is "drag them out of the space they're in", i think that's part of the problem
crystal creek
/polishes the jousting lance
sand egret
i'm perty excited for the new gnome dungeon
astral crystal
lewd
/polishes the jousting lance
````Zul - 06-12-2018 14:19 | #protection`Hey I was talking ToC. But if it makes you feel better it didn't require much polish
lusty grotto
can't wait for those gnomette yells
after goblinette yells in ML, it can only get better
astral crystal
signal plover
Ya brah
dusk locust
this should give us time to get everyone on our raid team CE. pretty happy about that
crystal creek
And save up seals.
next ermine
to bad you can only have 5
lusty grotto
holy fuck that's 2 months
open bluff
more like a month and a half when you remember all the december holidays
crystal creek
6 weeks and M+10 chests are going to be 415 next nweek?
astral crystal
gonna dunk a seal on ghuun tonight for that fatty 395 socketed avoidance vanquished tendril haHAA
signal plover
2 holiday weeks in there as well
glad dew
M+ weekly rewards don't change until the new raid
signal plover
@crystal creek 415 on Jan 22
next ermine
Uldir
lul
new islands might be worth a check
from what i played theyre way better than current
lusty grotto
paragon reps and new wqs :vomit:
hmm...
will the old warfront go away though
cause i still don't fucking have my horses and donkey
only the 1 of the raptors 😦
crystal creek
I got the donkay
lusty grotto
i need that donkey
next ermine
no, the old warfront wont go away
all the warfronts will stay permanently
their plan is to always have one up by the end of the expansion
lusty grotto
hmm
next ermine
whether the old warfront will scale to the new warfront gear or not i dont think thats been answered
lusty grotto
ok so it looks like they'll be rotated
i guess they will when s2 comes by
and raid goes live
signal plover
Jajaja
next ermine
so those new engineering goggles could actually be decent for prot
dense pivot
why? good traits on them?
signal plover
I think someone said they have DC?
crystal creek
dense pivot
cool
uneven mason
RIP I dropped Engineering
crystal creek
Well, you have 6 weeks to BFD to lvl back up. 😄
uneven mason
I'll keep my smithing
guess i Could go smithing engineering
600 breath to farm tho
ugh
but that helm
some sexy
crystal creek
it is pretty beast.
daring marlin
Bastion is gonna be phat
valid elk
My guild is working on muthic Zul tonight, any tips you guys can give me? Should I be tanking crawgs or crusher?
valid elk
We have a DK and either a druid or a monk
sick sentinel
i tried tanking N zul the other day but the tank had me on ignore and was too stupid to know to taunt zul or kite the crusher
sick sentinel
you have to kite it to the edge and back in dont you
sick sentinel
the everything was pretty bad
uneven mason
normal 3 months in, I can believe it
TBH tho, most normal pugs i Join on alts
endup being smoother than LFR runs
but a co tank who has you on ignore
that's some professionalism
I Used to have a co tank I Couldn't stand, fucking hated the guy, still unignored/unmuted during raid
That was WOTLK and he was a Frost DK
"Lookit me I'm expertise capped dual wielding blah blah blah"
valid elk
I should be on crawgs? Copy that. How far should I be tanking them from Zul?
lusty grotto
im never doing normal
have llike 6/8 not touching that
i don't ignore anyone anyway unless if they spam me
molten hamlet
Hey, how's protection looking for 8.1 ?
dusk locust
probably going to play smoother with the ignore pain GCD change, and being able to block physical ranged attacks is quite nice
lusty grotto
hey hey
we agreed we were gonna give a canned answer
We are gods right now, but we will soar beyond the understanding of mortals and deities after 8.1
dusk locust
seems fair
dusk locust
i'm most excited about multicore support
lusty grotto
wait what? wasn't that live
dusk locust
is it?
uneven mason
If you're bad at prot now it'll be less painful
if you're good at prot now, it'll be like, pretty much the same, but with a marginal rage increase
plain ice
and it'll feel better*
crystal creek
And you will block rifleman shots in Siege with your godly powers.
lusty grotto
and every time you log onto someone's discord, the john cena theme will come on
crisp stone
370 Rezan's must be better than a 385 Disc of Systematic Regression, right.
Atleast defensively
astral crystal
disc is awful in every conceivable way
lusty grotto
yes
hey disc is good in AOE
plus at 385 that's a hefty str bump
but rezan is stronger to be sure
sick sentinel
Hmmm
daring marlin
SUP INR
sick sentinel
Hello
I'm thinking if I should switch my trinket combo
Since I got a 370 socket howelers
plain ice
i'm a fan of jes' for pugging m+
bitter willow
Sorry if it's OOT, but what's up with Monks? They were praised as kings at the start of BFA, but we don't see them anymore... Did DK completely overshadow them with gear?
plain ice
they're still #1 for raid tanking
open bluff
people went monk for progress, then realized how boring the spec was and went to play things that were more fun until it's time to progress again
plain ice
^
crystal creek
Yep still good, just not needed for high end progression. They also do pretty well in M+.
bitter willow
Being the only tank that's fun to play should be in our class feats/strengths. Let it be official.
crystal creek
Agreed, update icy veins and wowhead.
plain ice
listen. i rolled a BDK alt. holy moly is it a snooze-fest rotation-wise
i also feel like i'm waddling at everything
bitter willow
Tanked as warr/paly/DK/DH/Druid in Bfa... (not extensively, obv). Warr is by far the most fun
paly is alright, the rotation is surprisingly smooth compared to what it used to be
DH is OK. But ya. BDK and druids are a snooze fest.
plain ice
you going to round it out with monk?
any reason (besides time and gearing lol) that you haven't tried one yet?
bitter willow
I got tired of leveling 😛
bitter willow
Leveling + reps... At some point I gotta stop switching and stick to a char to get pathfinder <.<
bitter willow
Blizzard/Activition is a privately held company, right?
sweet orchid
versed berry
So my 365 warrior is squish. Any recommendations on how to fix
sick sentinel
play better
but in seriousness, without knowing your gear, stats, talents, etc, that's the only advice we can provide
sick sentinel
Where do you find urself struggling in, raids, m+ or both?
versed berry
M+ I'm fine I'm having trouble on mythic zek
sick sentinel
How are you using ur cooldowns
boils down to using your defensivse when needed. when he is doing his casts, make sure you have a couple things available
versed berry
This entire log pretty much of prog
We changed how we tanked to help fix the CD management on tanks
I'm surviving the combo decently well
After the change
sick sentinel
You shouldn't be struggling if ur using CDs right
But more gear can help if ur 365 which may be why u feel it hit harder
You can take a full combo with last stand/Spell reflect/Demo and 3 IPs
versed berry
The combo is fine I'm just getting bitch slapped by the melee dmg and movement
sick sentinel
join general voice chat
versed berry
I try to maintain the boss infront
sick sentinel
Well yeah, ur SB count is low from the last pull, as is ur IP cast
sick sentinel
Here's a rule of thumb
versed berry
I'll be in there in a sec yazyn
sick sentinel
Never have less than 30 rage
versed berry
more haste= more rage generation right
sick sentinel
Yes
versed berry
im sitting at about 1000 now
sick sentinel
Not the rage amount but generates
versed berry
yeah
sick sentinel
Ur rage bar should never be empty, if u are a in a situation where u have like 50 rage and want to cast an IP/revenge make sure you can get back to 30 quick
Also try to not casts shield block whenever ur not taking physical damage
Unless u can time the charge to be back up for the increased SS damage don't do it
raven ore
Offical blue post about Caches/Azerite in 8.1
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/mythic-cache-next-week/39832
tl;dr You can save your Titan Residuum for Season 2 of M+/Siege of Draza'alor raid and do your 10 this week for the currency.
Now I leave this channel forever again
👋
steel mauve
your demo shout is extremely low which could also solve that issue of constant dmg being taken
your demo shout uptime is about the uptime it should be with out DC, but since you have DC it should be 75%+, not 31%
worthy dagger
primal crypt
wait a minute
no gear in box next week
😡
do we still get azerite pieces from emissary?
for like alts and stuff
steel mauve
also you have like double the normal casts of devestate as well
real willow
For mythic raiding, is gutripper or blood siphon generally better?
For preferably damage
lusty grotto
ooooohhh boy
10pm smash release
ayo why don't we have a pinned msg answering everyone's favorite question that's probably gonna be spammed next tuesday and during the whole week
Why isn't nimchip posting more Chef pics?
daring marlin
viable?
lusty grotto
viable
daring marlin
WE CAN ONLY DREAM FRIEND
lusty grotto
i had a whole copy paste
han gon
i suppose i can add up how we will surpass the greatness of Broxidad the Red for the lorenerds
maybe some commentary about if you're bad, you better reroll BDK or something 🤷
👢 🍵 👏
COUGH
ugh, sorry about that
supple path
Thoughts on going for pure DPS traits in m+? Have two pieces where I'm debating lifespeed vs heed my call + overwhelming power.
lusty grotto
nothing wrong with it if you think you won't have problems defensively
daring marlin
sense chugs pots like no tomorrow for m+
primal crypt
@ember arrow you around?
ember arrow
always
versed berry
should i be using demo shout on cd or should i save for combo
oblique garnet
@outer dew Where you at bby
steel mauve
should really be used on cd, you dont really need it for the combo, its nice if its up but it helps a lot with the melee dmg, and especially when your specific uptime is less than half of what it should be with DC
terse swallow
why are pug dps so bad? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rM1L4YwgnQRkD7dC/#fight=last&type=damage-done
oblique garnet
@outer dew almost 1600 : )
oblique garnet
Wdym tofu ?
outer dew
the nygax
oblique garnet
???
oblique garnet
ahhhhhh
We missed the timer on tol dagor again by 3 minutes because we wiped on the 3rd boss again <.<
sick sentinel
Here, have this morale booster(from +14 SoB)
outer dew
@oblique garnet FINALLY GOT JES + VIAL
hushed cobalt
the 380 is better than the 355, at loss of -100 haste(?)
oblique garnet
Gz tofu
outer dew
ask about hatse drop
oblique garnet
I tried pugging my atal 15
oblique garnet
Got around 1.4k io people
They all lost to me on damage
and we didnt even fucking complete the dungeon because the mage died twice and rq
outer dew
lol
hushed cobalt
you see, i havent been that active in enchant swapping after i tried crit gem/enchanting everything
but soon ™
primal crypt
@sick sentinel
oblique garnet
Omegalul the mage was streaming the run XDDD
oblique garnet
Then he blamed the run on me XDDD
cinder nova
My guild sat me cuz they though warrior couldn't hack Mythrax
And I did it in 2 nights of prog on a guild that pugged me
zzzz
oblique garnet
You need to do more m+ man
cinder nova
I hate M+ to be real
manic perch
lol
oblique garnet
Man 100 tries and 0 mounts <.< feelsbadman
manic perch
can anyone explain to me the skip you can do in freehold to not fight the wanna be Ninja Turtle?
oblique garnet
i thought that was fixed
but basically you went in m0 killed the turtle and after that put the key in
manic perch
ah ok, but they hotfixed it?
smoky oak
manic perch
ah awesome
will try it when i get a chance missed it last night freehold 11 +2 with like 1 min i think
and atal 12 2chest by 6 seconds....
#feelsbadman
oblique garnet
You need to do bigger pulls to +2 freehold
its easily doable without the turtle even
primal river
how is prot looking in 8.1
oblique garnet
Pretty good
primal river
is IP off GCD the buff we've been waiting for?
oblique garnet
That and charge and RB and 2sec of shield block recharge ye makes it better
sick sentinel
Minus 2 seconds in SB which will be huge for our mitigation uptime
oblique garnet
rb as in ranged block
manic perch
we did not really need buffs, we need a reason for us to be brought to content
sick sentinel
5% buff in vanguard
worn elbow
1 azerite veins and 2 gutripper or 3 gutripper?
sick sentinel
High end guilds are gearing up prot warrior there is a highly chance prot is going to be very good for progression
manic perch
but the removal of gcd is pretty good
sick sentinel
Lets see how the m+ community response to us
oblique garnet
@worn elbow if you want more damage 3 gutrippers but its mostly what you need
brave mauve
Given that we're already seeing block DR exceeding 7/7 bastion from Legion, I figure prot is going to shock some people when we start seeing 450 shields in 8.2 *shrug*
oblique garnet
Lepan is keeping prot warrior geared so it might be pretty good in m+ in his opinion atleast
manic perch
i feel prot is already good in m+ and im just a scrub 😛 and the real warriors like Sense are pushing pretty high all things considered
ashen trellis
If you have a decent group with you Prot warrior is fine in M+
sick sentinel
The challenge lies in the perception around prot tanks and thus we are fast declined in pugs so lets hope that changes in 8.1
ashen trellis
you just cant carry idiots on a prot warrior like you can with other tanks atm
manic perch
true
last night i was so happy with my scrub skills managed to overall 10k in freehold 11, did some pretty big pulls almost died few times 😛 had god like druid healer XD
when your healer doesnt talk much during m+ on discord you know you doing it right cause aint no time for chit chat 😛
lavish oracle
@ashen trellis I def. carry people all the time as prot warrior
Definitely harder to carry a healer
but you can carry almost an entire group of terrible dps
manic perch
in freehold, if i am not mistaken i saw Sense spell reflect something of the horse dudes, can anyone confirm or tell me what he reflects?
lavish oracle
Oiled blade? Not sure if it's reflectable but I think it's the only spell they cast
manic perch
ah ok, yeah think it is, saw him reflect something fighting them
shut summit
ye its oiled blade
shut summit
👍
oblique garnet
Fml pug healer throws the key <.<
Got hit by the most telegraphed ability in the game
lavish oracle
'eeey, welcome to PUG life
oblique garnet
Like how do you get hit by cross ignition when youre not stunned on tol
lavish oracle
Bad eyes
tight tree
Every time i do KR, at the start, 1-2 players will get hit by colossus's cone ability. Without fail 💩
I don't think i ever had KR run when it did not happen👌
oblique garnet
THE MAN KNOWS
lavish oracle
Mistweavers 4 lyfe
tight tree
MW is so good, in pvp, PvE, in raids
rocky light
You guys knows any prot warrior streamers?
ionic fern
rocky light
Ty
tight tree
Its not any prot warrior stream, it is THE prot warrior stream 🤣
Anyone knows, is there any footage/stream from prot warrior PTR raid testing?
If there was any ;/
fast kiln
so anyone really tested prot on ptr? in m+ etc
tight tree
Interested to know, yes 😉
ionic fern
Pretty sure @hot locust said he has.
fast kiln
i wont ask like "IS PROT BETTER THAN DK NOW??"
:>
but im just wondering how it feels with the shield block and ip buff
in theory warr should be now on par with dk in terms of raidtanking
hot locust
Raid tanking is gonna be really good for prot.
hot locust
Effective uptime depending on encounter maybe.... but overall uptime no not even close.
tight tree
Not 100% probably.
fast kiln
well it has the came cd as in legion again, no?
tight tree
And no for m+ nothing will surpass DKs, nerf or not
fast kiln
as long as other tanks dont get a grip
or ring like monk
monk is very close to dk ppl underestimate it
and vengeance is also close... just not the classic type of tank
but well, i dont care about fotm
im still damaged from prot pre nighthold nerfs
tight tree
pretty much 2 best tanks both for m+ and raids, no surprise. Nerfs to them will be barely noticeable
I am still damaged form BRF and nighthold as well
Whole BRF mythic prog on warrior made me take a break from the game back then, and nighthold made me go mainspec DPS. Low tolerance for shitty class balance 🤷
Warrior getting closer to legion iteration tho, so there is hope 😉
odd ledge
vengeance is in worst spot of all tanks in m+ bar druid because any dh who gives a shit about his team performance will play havoc
tight tree
Veng is just too spiky, have to be extremely good at kiting ;D
And havok is so good, makes zero sense not to play it i agree
I seen guardian druid yesterday on my server, first time in months. They actually exist 😉
odd ledge
hey, that 3% dps buff will totally save them
tight tree
Blizzard have no clue
They are so weak, so low DPS, and so boring, all in one
Harambe baer form is not enough to keep ppl playing it
odd ledge
and no utility
tight tree
Roar will be back but imo that is not enough
oblique garnet
Warriors can have CR on next tier tho
tight tree
Nice joke
oblique garnet
No for reals
tight tree
Never happening
ionic fern
Isn't that a RNG CR?
ionic fern
"Chance to backfire"
oblique garnet
Can you link it?
ionic fern
"While this device can certainly bring the dead back to life it may also bring the living to the brink of death"
Maybe the "backfire" is smth to do when you cast it on a living person?
For luls?
outer dew
tbh
tight tree
Chance to backfire should be killing the raid. Iw we cannot have nice things, we at least should be able to troll fellow raiders.
outer dew
learning eingeering is pretty worth
the helmet crafted
is actually pretty decent
might learn engineering for CR + helm
ionic fern
If this means..that if you res someone with it you yourself as a tank might get brought to the "Brink of death" it's kinda..ooof.:')
tight tree
Our DK gripping adds into raid on taloc platform. If you get knocked off = bar raider 😉
Bringing various deadly debuffs into raid or turning Zek during void lash = priceless
oblique garnet
Had a pug dk doing that and blaming me
warrior gripped the add
We kicked the dk after that XD
tight tree
Our raid is bad at awareness, have to train them 👌
tight tree
Hmm, that is next level of responsibility
Tanks dont even have to do anything to kill raid? I am jealous.
oblique garnet
yeah accidentally overaggroing zekvoz mid combo is a thing :/
tight tree
We had this after i rerolled BM, i was 350 and our DK was 380, he would overaggro sometimes, so i developed a habit to taunt before every combo on mythic prog 💩
cobalt trellis
hows warrior tank on zul mythic? tanking crags? if yes, do you 3 tank then? specific talents for the fight?
next goblet
yo why is the top m+ prot war on my server rocking devastator and never surrender?
does he know something we dont?
oblique garnet
Whats his score
next goblet
1536
oblique garnet
Probably a meme build
oblique garnet
Is his scores from this week?
I honestly dont know why he would run those talents
next goblet
oh last m+ he ran was back in november
mild maple
He might have been tanking a high magic damage fight, extra IP strength and devastator to free up GCDs
next goblet
but isn't devastator like super gimping you?
i mean i know its viable but its not ideal
amber siren
i wouldn't go as far as to say it's an atrocious pick
next goblet
i mean sure it makes the rotation a bit better but you totally rage starve yourself
so is it really worth it?
next goblet
hey i remember you, you're that paladin tank guy lol or at least used to be
ionic fern
Shield tanks ftw.
amber siren
no, it's not worth but you can play around it
next goblet
^^
ionic fern
Anyways, general condendus is that it's not worth it
Safest bet is just to DM and ask him still. 🤷
Is he running it on every run?
Or only some specific ones?
outer dew
I mean
next goblet
interdasting
outer dew
Why is it bizarre it works
next goblet
time to beat this scumbag
outer dew
It's not terribly surprising to me
oblique garnet
Not the optimal but works
next goblet
because I WANNA BE NUMBER 1
mild maple
booming voice/am are just so sexy together
sick sentinel
i'm gonna be prot 8.1 B) believe it
outer dew
Mehta
oblique garnet
Tofu you gonna catch up soon?
strong forum
Fuzzy 1536 isn't high score so I wouldn't look at his build
outer dew
I've learned new mechanical from some of my guild mates
Like
The mummy in kr
Will fuck you up
oblique garnet
Oh yeah 100%
outer dew
36k every 2 seconds
oblique garnet
The one that comes out if a door opens?
oblique garnet
Oh yeah i saw that too
strong forum
If you open wrong sarcophagus?
outer dew
Yes
strong forum
Never done that so idk
oblique garnet
If you dont open the right one fast enough eitee it happens aswell
sick sentinel
it also permaslows you lol
outer dew
It rapes you
sick sentinel
he a spooky boy
outer dew
15k tick disease
sick sentinel
I kinda wanna play prot to sell keys mostly :X
at least until I can actually get a comfortable tank spot in mythic prog
outer dew
That's fine
autumn pendant
Weep you want to play every specc
sick sentinel
i want to be able to play every spec.
autumn pendant
(not implying its bad)
sick sentinel
there is a discernable difference
autumn pendant
True
ionic fern
Join a new guild as a brewmaster and then at the last second before raid starts tell them that "Oh, i'm re-rolling warrior"..this way they don't have time to look for a new tank before the tier starts and you can play warrior.
sick sentinel
ahaha
my brm is definitely more equipped than my prot warrior
I'm 380 in fury gear, the only 1h I've ever picked up is from normal motherlode
about to go slam some atal +10s for the 1h and shield
and maybe also vectis on heroic
ember arrow
@ionic fern yea and then get benched next day
ionic fern
IF they can find a new tank.
ionic fern
Idk, we were looking for a tank for like a month.
ember arrow
We had one in 1 day
ember arrow
Every time bfa claimed another victim
eager tartan
is the same in the Horde
ember arrow
Well if u decide to handicap yourself by being ally
eager tartan
there are little amount of raider tanks just because thery are not very needed
until one needs to go for whatev reason and then fucking hell is hard to find a replacement
ember arrow
Because raidtanking is boring af
eager tartan
had mi mate co tank for two expansions
oblique garnet
Finding a good raid tank is different than finding a tank
eager tartan
had a kid two months ago and is being impossible to find a decent replacement
as it is today, 5 attempts. Most of them can't handle a single Zek'Voz combo on mythic
shamefull
shamefull disprai
eager tartan
for now we bloody rely on a healer monk with OS for tanking
lovely how easy af is to play a brew rolf
ember arrow
Implying tanking on any class is hard
If youre looking for hard, deep gameplay wow isnt the place
Brm can literally not use AM and be fine which is more a sign of bad class design than the class being inherently easy
zinc mauve
sick sentinel
brm and AM?
helo
is the 1h from fetid more desirable than the 1h from mythrax?
no
mythrax is better
answered my own q
odd ledge
people complain how boring uldir is for tanks, but zekvoz combo and fetid thrash role are actually really good at pointing out gaps in your knowledge of your tank
tbh
ember arrow
Idk. Everythings so telegraphed
odd ledge
not the point at all
ionic fern
I mean..thrash is like a legion AM check pretty much in the sense that if you don't have it up you wrecked.
😂
ember arrow
Except that some tanks could ignore some checks while others should use their AM the wrong way. Like dk on NL last boss
So tbrash is deffo better
soft kindle
Thrash tanking and Zek'voz is fun, imo
tight tree
Zek you sometimes need to think, thrash is just keep mitigation up for it
boreal haven
Hi Mates.
Going to Tank HC first Time today. Anything critical to know ?
tight tree
Check bosses tactics on tanknotes.tk if unsure what to do, be protection spec, have shield equipped 😉
tight tree
Second
tight tree
Zek is easiest for warriors, have block up, reflect second lash, use IP
sick sentinel
pool rage so you can IP both lashes
boreal haven
Okay
tight tree
It is but still it helps
odd ledge
@ember arrow thrash was a check for warriors, pallies, vdhs for managing CDs cuz can't have am for every single one
brew had to think on zekvoz and utilize toolkit to survive combos reliably without externals (pushed out of comfort zone of cookie cutter build, saving orbs, properly purifying)
austere oar
Depends on what you play
for ex during our progress we swapped after each shatter
made the boss trivial
hollow kite
what is the benefit of having multiple archive of the titans?
austere oar
stack the stat buff
sick sentinel
oo, archive bis for prot?
gotta check guide ree
nah it's not
shame, since I have 3xarchive
strong forum
2x archive 1x DC is bis
strong forum
1x DC is must
sick sentinel
don't have it
strong forum
However im running 1x laser matrix 1x archive 1x DC, since the zul chest has better t2 and t3 trait than vectis chest imo
sick sentinel
i have it 355
ionic fern
I got DC on 355 shoulders as well. 😦
wide girder
for m+?
strong forum
Ye for m+
BfI loses incredible value in aoe situations
So it's better to just roll with archive, 385 archive is 5% strength
sick sentinel
i have 2x385 archive
wide girder
str gives absorb
wide girder
does it?
sick sentinel
2x 385 archive, 1x 370 archive
strong forum
DC > ilvl
sick sentinel
probably still dc
strong forum
Atleast this patch
signal plover
390 🤔
strong forum
Next week DC loses value
sick sentinel
fleet river
hm ok
sick sentinel
are you supposed to be able to recover keystones?
fleet river
ty 😃
soft kindle
You can, I don't think you can carry more than one at once
strong forum
No point to recovering them
sick sentinel
but I have 360 DC, and 2x385 AOTT
I'm ready 4 prot B)
just need a shield, cus I have a 365 1h
strong forum
Yeah that's nice trait coverage
austere oar
didnt follow the news on prots w's , anything new and good ?
or are they still going onto the next tier as bottom tier
autumn pendant
They are actually looking really solid comming to next raid
soft kindle
^
eager tartan
I wouldn't say prot warrior is bottom tier atm, just the most punishing
and next patch looks yummy af
tight tree
Only seen reports of them being OP for Jaina as apparently, out of all bosses, jaina melees very hard 😉
ember arrow
Jaina doesnt look like the melee type
eager tartan
and just wait for 3xbastion in januray 
tight tree
I am not seeing public perception of them to change any soon tbh, buffs are very minor and probably will not change how good warriors are. Maybe some bosses will favor warriors more but then again, there are always monks 😉 Hope for more buffs myself.
tight tree
At least with IP off the GCD they will be like 3x more fun and fluid to play.
tight tree
It is huge for feel of the spec, not survivability
soft kindle
Good question
eager tartan
IP scales like crap out or in GCD
sick sentinel
Because iirc there are more pressing problems
That's what I've heard @soft kindle say for sure
eager tartan
imo the best change of the patch is the decreased SB CD
eager tartan
specially for when we will lose the RA
sick sentinel
4 more days
sick sentinel
Just realized the new azerite currency almost likens to the legendary problem
oblique garnet
Tyrannical kills the pugs
tight tree
We will not generate more rage, GCD or not
ember arrow
What
eager tartan
maybe, but this is the week to push the fuck out of Shrine
eager tartan
^ that is true
sick sentinel
"did you do every dungeon on +0, and all the raid difficulties?" Is how the azerite currency feels to me
ember arrow
More abilities spent on rage gen
soft kindle
in a 5 minute boss fight you hit IP what, 40-50 times or so?
that's more rage right there
tight tree
Hm yes, it will cover cases when i want to press clutch IP now instead of rage gen ability
soft kindle
even if it's just devastates fishing for SS
tight tree
But i dont want to press it instead of shield slam or TC ideally anyway
soft kindle
Like absolute worst case, it's just 40-50 more devastates
eager tartan
is not only that, it allows you to also use all of your skills without downtime
in essece, the whole rotatio, rage generation and finally survival increases
tight tree
You right, devastate procs will make for more SS resets = more rage
sick sentinel
I have no idea why it was ever moved to gcd in the first place
The problem is that they tried to change classes without changing enemy mechanics to fit
oblique garnet
Why are you all dismissing charge being off gcd?
eager tartan
and in mythic + together with bastion makes your DPS even greater
tight tree
Because blizzard need to take stuff from us and then generate more hype when they return it
oblique garnet
3 bastion hype
eager tartan
ikr
tight tree
That is their buiseness model these days apparently
sick sentinel
Don't you guys have shields
tight tree
Next expansion they give us 3 abilities they pruned in legion
HYYYPE
3 mil resubscribe
eager tartan
Blizzard :wesmart
soft kindle
fuck charge, I want Rally
sick sentinel
Locks get metamorphosis again but you have to use warglaives
tight tree
have to fite all DHs in raid
eager tartan
Im sure deep inside they just wished they could remove demonology alltogether
sick sentinel
I wish that sometines
eager tartan
the only sad story of the next patch is they remove PVP prot
oblique garnet
Tbf im more excited about ranged block than any of the other changes since i can finally smack around all these ranged mobs in bfa
wdym remove pvp prot?
eager tartan
they remove the talent "leave no one behind"
austere oar
damn that new azerite traits seems good on prot
soft kindle
ranged dudes in Siege shudder
eager tartan
thus they just become a constant -20% damage debuffer
eager tartan
eh, not good enough imo
we are playing in 3v3 currently and that single target allows the comp to work
maybe bodyguard will be enough but I doubt it
guess I'll go back to the execute spam shrug
oblique garnet
i played with holy pally and we went full mongo comp where we both just go full on dps on the other 2 and cleave them down
eager tartan
for sure prot warrior is legit currently, maybe still will be in 2v2
my only issue with 2v2 is the bloody grind
specially with a holy pally, you just win by pure attrition
the cool thing of "leave no one behind" is that allows you to survive heavy bursts
and if they are two melee they just die to cleave damage
steady dragon
Hey boys, would 360 be a good enough ilvl to tank a 10
without gimping my group to fuck
strong forum
I tanked a 10 at 345, 360 is plenty
odd ledge
same
sick sentinel
sure, long as you still know the mechanics of mobs, bosses, dungeons and affixes and your own toolkit, 360 is more than fine.
odd ledge
if you know how to play the key and how to play the class, shouldn't have issues timing it whatsoever
dire wyvern
was an 11 even
strong forum
Legit timed a +12 last week on my 340 bdk, ilvl is overrated
sick sentinel
lol bdk
odd ledge
we did 10 with 3 ppl at 340 including my prot war, would be in time but we did a metric fuckton of mistakes
like havoc dying 5s into trash pull and staying dead because shroud skip
dire wyvern
I remember doing first week +10 at ~345 ilvl
steady dragon
Cheers ty
uneven mason
hitting timers is all about not being a flipperhanded monkey
which is why I never make timer
cause I'm slapping and drooling on my keyboard
lusty grotto
sounds reasonable
uneven mason
Like that 11 that I missed by a minute
It was my flipperhandedness that thought "Inviting this drunk HDH will be a good plan"
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
I mean, he's one of the few people who beat me in DPS
He also glided sideways into uneeded trash packs
cause his fingers couldn't find the right buttons to move
lusty grotto
:x
signal plover
That's the beauty of keys
Find out which one of your raiders is mongo in a short 30 min timespan
Hint: it's you
Shit
lusty grotto
😦
lusty grotto
but sometimes you just decide to get drunk and do runs with Mac
inland mesa
running g'huun orbs on mythic solo with no freedom makes my heart hurt
inland mesa
that just breaks it, doesn't stop it though
lusty grotto
oof
signal plover
There's like one in 20 pulls that's unavoidable I'll give ya that
inland mesa
I had two runs in a row where the roots were both in the way and it stopped me just short of the gate each time
they do 2nd half gate not front half D:
signal plover
And getting rooted mid intercept is suicide inducing
inland mesa
ye then I asked for freedom and ran it flawless every time after like a champion and we got it dead \o/
signal plover
I just found out my freedom boi is out all next week tho so I get to go back to doin it without
inland mesa
no thanks, granted I looked at marok's video so I have another path if roots are in bad place that I can decide on the fly I guess
signal plover
Ooo marok has an orb solo run vid?
inland mesa
it's just in his kill video
signal plover
Kk
inland mesa
he does left with 2nd half gate, so many first half gate vids
signal plover
Ya I had to do 2nd half gate on the fly last night cuz the 1st gate disappeared on pull lol
inland mesa
i was used to 4 warlock monk transcend up get thrown orb click gate put it in so was a definite transition
lusty grotto
gate disappearing is usually because the retard warlock moves to africa so it's out of range
signal plover
Right now we're wiping to P2 pick up peeps getting rooted and I'm just like wot
Yeah nim
He knew what he did
lusty grotto
i hope he got sent to the corner
signal plover
He was checking raid markers on the right side and it was fine
He got it up before 2nd grp
cobalt garden
You can use draenic action potion if you get trapped
lusty grotto
yup
inland mesa
to break or prevent?
lusty grotto
it breaks it
inland mesa
to me it's more prevent because if it catches you too close and you can't get to the next postule you're sol, granted I saved one barely with leap when that happened lol
that shit stressed me out more than raid leading
inland mesa
yeah, 3 vs 8 on freedom, but better than nothing intercept to first one pop intercept 2nd leap
I need to find a good weak aura for healthstone and coastal healing pot usage, mine broke, used to pop up if they were useable still and I had to click the weak aura to use
signal plover
Yeah i got a stack
cinder nova
When do you guys wall and LS in M+
lusty grotto
eh? LS all the time
lusty grotto
i wall when im sub 50% usually
lusty grotto
i use LS to pump dps too
cinder nova
So you can scumbag
lusty grotto
sure why not lol
lusty grotto
you're drowning in rage anyway
lusty grotto
no fort this week, so fast fast fast
just gotta be careful cause you wont have avatar up every time
so tab to low threat mobs if you don't have misdirect/tricks
cinder nova
Yeah, I was hoping to get a group with a boomkin
inland mesa
how many stacks can healers usually handle
lusty grotto
you can do gigantic pulls too
jagged bay
hi have a nice weekend everyone:)
lusty grotto
a good heal can usually do 7 stacks
cinder nova
o/
inland mesa
I want to push all 15s if I can find a healer that's actually online
lusty grotto
yup
wheat bronze
A good healer can do more than 7. Average healers can do 7.
cinder nova
How does Archive stack?
lusty grotto
ok i'm not trying to wave my e-peen around
lusty grotto
i just said 7 because it's a good number for pugs
inland mesa
archive is just time in combat
cinder nova
Oh, so it's x2 the STR per stack
lusty grotto
sure
inland mesa
shoulders dropped of mythrax last night and went to paladin, I could have had the double archieve dream 😦
lusty grotto
just get chest
inland mesa
I have chest
cinder nova
Living it at mate
inland mesa
my helm is DC
lusty grotto
riip
cinder nova
Rip
inland mesa
yeah, I have DC helm and chest.... >.>
lusty grotto
F
inland mesa
yeah, I was applying to guilds being told I can't prot because my DPS was low, and I was like...I have no gutripper, no syringe, no vial, 1 archieve, can has pls? Granted I pulled purple/deep blue this week on all fights sept zul on crusher and mythrax and g'huun as they were first kills. So when I don't have to raid lead I magically can play. What do you know
lusty grotto
it happens
inland mesa
need to either modify my pre pot weak aura, or find one that's clickable for healthstone/healing pots as mine broke
sick sentinel
@inland mesa you NA?
inland mesa
ya
sick sentinel
Did H?
inland mesa
wha
sick sentinel
Have you done heroic
inland mesa
yeah, we cleared mythic last night, was 7/8 before
sick sentinel
Oh you're cutting edge yikes
inland mesa
I don't like having them keybound as I fat finger things a lot, so I used to have a WA right above health bar and below character to react to it to use. But it broked D:
inland mesa
I gave 2 syringes away to melee dps when I was GM, my heart
inland mesa
we had utterly horrible trinket and cloth drops
inland mesa
I rolled freaking g'huun tentacle trinket off him last night D:
austere oar
well if you're cutting edge and ranking blue everywhere that's understandable
inland mesa
some of it is gear/strats too, like I don't get to endlessly pad on zek'voz adds as they get melted
sick sentinel
But I have 2 purples, a green, and a grey cus I'm only technically 4/8
inland mesa
I don't get to tank krawgs and clap for days
sick sentinel
B(
I'm hoping to get a shield today and start learning prot
I have 1x360DC and 2x385Archive
inland mesa
you cheater
inland mesa
lol
sick sentinel
But yeah I've got 1 kill on vectis and I got the chest
austere oar
yeah but cutting edge guilds are looking at tank dps
so im not surprised someone ranking blue everywhere is left aside
inland mesa
I did get blessed with a vectis shield early and DC 385 pieces, so I don't usually die unless I screw something up. It's just app'ing to guild they look at parse culture so when you're missing 3-5 pretty crutial pieces and didn't do mother strats like send over 15-20 and did it by 3's cuz the healers couldn't handle it....you can't parse
elevator i wsa never hitting the add as I was running into the blobs as we couldn't figure out how to stun and kill them, etc.
inland mesa
yeah I did this week and pulled a 90 or 91 or something
GM/raid lead I did what got us kills fastest not what made me parse as I didn't think I'd be looking anytime soon.
inland mesa
Until one of my officers got in e love with another officer and killed the guild while I was out of state with internet over thanksgiving
sick sentinel
Go for parses
YIKES
THAT WAS ME
Not in your guuld
But like
I killed a guild through love
inland mesa
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