protection

[primal crypt]

Skyhold is mo betta

Mo feedom

[lusty grotto]

how dare you disrespect our dear leader

[primal crypt]

Reader or leader?

I always get confused

Depends on who's saying it

[lusty grotto]

who likes Katy Perry, which i might have seen in a real life documentary called The Interview

[primal crypt]

Oh that was a great documentary

They got everything so 💯

It was so well done

[lusty grotto]

yup

[oblique garnet]

I might actually catch up to sense this week🤔

[daring marlin]

get it

but you're EU, right?

who cares

[oblique garnet]

Ye

[daring marlin]

:^)

❤

[zinc creek]

Ez week

[oblique garnet]

Naowh left limit to join method NA>EU confirmed

I mean the otherway around

[modern brook]

oof

[oblique garnet]

Tbf the way limit recruits players is dirty

[primal crypt]

What's their recruiting method?

[modern brook]

Method.

ayo

[primal crypt]

hehehehe

[oblique garnet]

Poaching

[snow hinge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p4n6NvRMDyqmgzQC/#fight=25&type=healing

wth is this i mean full warrior 7/8 hc

[modern brook]

A good time

[oblique garnet]

Shh warriors are bad and need more buffs

[snow hinge]

i just cant wrap my head around it

[ember arrow]

Its hc

Last week

What do u expect

[oblique garnet]

Using talents and traits that heal etc

[ember arrow]

And theyre tanks

[uneven mason]

wat

some o dem ruining my rankings

I have purple healing parses now

F

[prisma crane]

not a single one of them thought it was a good idea to use drums?

oof

[ember arrow]

@snow hinge

Cos +22

[uneven mason]

+++

[snow hinge]

still isnt prot supposed to be worst tanks

[oblique garnet]

No

[snow hinge]

ok during legion sure

[ember arrow]

Bear is worse

[snow hinge]

i must suck on my prot as i cant sustain myself at all

[ember arrow]

Clearing hc with tanks isnt exactly an achievement

[snow hinge]

friends told me while sb is up its humpty dory but after just like fucking run

its not all tanks

[ember arrow]

U make it sound like its smt notable

[snow hinge]

3 tanks and many arms or fury

[ember arrow]

Hc doesnt do dmg

[snow hinge]

still prot is labelled as sucks they cant self sustain

[ember arrow]

U dont need to

If bosses do 0 dmg

[snow hinge]

must be cuz i neglected my warrior in gear and shit

[ember arrow]

Uhu

Prob

U said during legion at my screenshot

[snow hinge]

yeah i did i mean its a strong achie but still bracers were op tbh

anyways im off a bit

[ember arrow]

Our position was very similar comparatively

[modern brook]

@prisma crane we're warriors not geniuses

[prisma crane]

speak for yourself 😉

but yea, seems surprising

maybe they were being "purists" but still, drums are like war drums, so seems fine by me

also surprising to see the dps not skyrocket under 20%

kinda lame tbh

unless it was because ppl kept dying, i didnt look that close

[uneven mason]

@snow hinge Tank self sustain is a myth more or less. BDK is the only tank that stands out in that arena, and even then you can't 100% self sustain all the time.

[ember arrow]

Eyy

[uneven mason]

That isn't to ssay that tanking on a BDK is worlds easier than a prot warrior

[ember arrow]

He said it

Tanking on any class is zzz

If u want w challenge

[uneven mason]

right, speaking relative

[ember arrow]

Find some other game

[uneven mason]

what I Love about my BDK - Grip

what I miss - being able to do big dick damage

[modern brook]

^ truest words on class differential

would you rather be smug to your DPS on any large pull, or actually get invited to pugs 😦

[uneven mason]

I get into pugs

might be a you problem

[modern brook]

yikes its a joke

[uneven mason]

😄

[modern brook]

dont me like that

I hoenstly havent been playing my warrior that much recently, been really enjoying rogue

[willow wraith]

Yo was looking to enchant my weapon as a prot warrior, icy veins says that we need Quick navigation is that right guys ?

[modern brook]

you cant go wrong with quick

[daring marlin]

PTR is a good meme

you can buy like all 415 gear

so I have full haste/crit gear with triple bastion asserite

wewlad

when I pop avatar my mastery goes from 17% to 55%

the damage is hilarious

[modern brook]

booty clap didnt get nerfed?

[daring marlin]

only DC got nerfed

[oblique garnet]

@willow wraith ye icy veins guide is reliable and just ask here for other stuff and

[modern brook]

pog, i legit thought they were nerfing our damage

[primal crypt]

🍿

[daring marlin]

naw

Just look forward to this...

absolutely bananas system

I'm not even gonna bother going nuts about asserite in 8.1

It went from like

super simple to this lol

[oblique garnet]

Doing 16k overall dps on a +15 feels good

[daring marlin]

hellyeahbrother

bring dat damage

[fringe raft]

noob question but what trinkets am i looking for ? >_>

[oblique garnet]

Damage

[modern brook]

^

[timber nest]

whats better for prot dps, a 385 archive chest or 385 revenge trait? i already have another archive trait

[oblique garnet]

And in some cases high ilvl veiled eye

[modern brook]

double archive is really good

[oblique garnet]

Probably 2x archive

[modern brook]

More str = more damage and bigger IP

[fringe raft]

fathoms and syringe a good combo?

[wide fern]

390 rezan, any of the 355 darkmoon and 380 core-crusted.

I guess rezan is a given. But which one of the other? Read somwhere darkmoon were good until other trinkets at 385. Bit dont know. Its 25 IL diff

[timber nest]

i use http://prntscr.com/lr4nzj @wide fern

[modern brook]

I use a 395 vial of animated blood and a 370 gore crusted block

[oblique garnet]

I have gore and 385 syringe

[modern brook]

Darkmoons are good, i wouldnt suggest buying them if you dont have them already

[outer dew]

I hate all of you

[daring marlin]

I love you.

[outer dew]

Not with his trinkets

390 rezan and 380 gore crusted without contest zzz

Wouldn't bother with any dme

[modern brook]

I dont think deakka was the one who asked the question

[outer dew]

Well

[fringe raft]

well off to farm more bs atal keys then thanks ... was just making sure i wasnt totaly off the mark!

[outer dew]

He did ask about his three

Lmao

[modern brook]

oh no he def did, but i was responding to rennon

sorry :^(

[outer dew]

DmD are good too use

But I don't awe point of them

[modern brook]

I thought he was just listing what he used for renon's sake lol i dont read

[outer dew]

People value them a lot but I don't really

Fathoms gives you plenty of damage, but has no defensive qualities built in

Immortality is chances your ass is dead

Before it becomes relevant or gives you a lot of value

Woops

Blockades

I'm mortality was last expa

Hue

[modern brook]

Blockades is nice caues its a fat str bonus ontop of a huge surviability buff

[fickle geyser]

And immortality was way better 😃

[outer dew]

Yea but at this point of the expac

[modern brook]

^

[outer dew]

354 not gonna cut it

[modern brook]

was just typing that we dont need that buff anymore

[uneven mason]

blockades is nice because its a cheap 10k to give my new 120s a 355 item

[sand egret]

yep, and it's got legs until you start getting 370+ stuff

[uneven mason]

was wearing it on my resto druid

tank in my first +4 was like "WTF are you wearing atanking trinket"

and I Was like - u died yet, no? SHutup

[sand egret]

just tell em your grandfather's deck has no bad cards

[modern brook]

but it does have this leaves group

[uneven mason]

funny enough, tank did die on last boss (Underott) So I went bur and finished the fight out

Tanking trniket vidicated

[sweet kettle]

Prot warrior on last boss in underrot is transformed to a blood dk

[modern brook]

I forget to IP on that boss cause im so excited to throw weapon -> VICTORY

[sweet kettle]

I have bury the hatchet

What IP XD

[worthy dagger]

prot warriors should have a seperate week of affixes from all other tanks

this week should last a month

[oblique garnet]

I like variation on keys

But fuck necrotic

Just get that affix removed and we gucci

[lusty grotto]

necrotic is fine, fuck teeming + fort

[daring marlin]

necrotic is fine

[primal crypt]

teeming fort is fine\

wat you on about

necrotic

[daring marlin]

kiting is fun gameplay

[primal crypt]

can go to hell

Tol Dagor first boss

is troll

[daring marlin]

fun and interesting gameplay

tbh

[oblique garnet]

Tyrannical + necrotic on first boss is aids

But fort and necrotic is w/e

[lusty grotto]

hey

[oblique garnet]

They all die to thunderclap anyway

[lusty grotto]

i have a solution for you yamo

[oblique garnet]

So you can easily reset

[lusty grotto]

don't run TD

[primal crypt]

u so smrt

[lusty grotto]

don't run Seth either

[oblique garnet]

Got a 17 tol dagor and 16 kr atm in my group😪

[lusty grotto]

of course i am ty pumpkin ❤

KR is ez

[oblique garnet]

Probably

[lusty grotto]

now

[oblique garnet]

Its my kryptonite tho

[lusty grotto]

it's not fort week either

so it's easier

[primal crypt]

boomkin + hunter

[lusty grotto]

dont be skeered

[primal crypt]

ez

[lusty grotto]

i did KR 10 on my 360 hpal

last week

with a bear tank

you can do it!

[primal crypt]

I have to shave

Wtf

mt

Too much skyhold

Putting all texts in here now lol

[lusty grotto]

shave that hipster sco beard

goddamn

[primal crypt]

I dont have a beard

I have a stubble

[lusty grotto]

did i stutter

[primal crypt]

I can't hear you

No idea 🈲

🇳 🇴 🇮 🇩 🇪 🇦

[mint kite]

Yo so should i ask my dps to wait until they nuke a big pull in m+? Or is there some rotation or something that allows me to get agro and then kite it out

[prisma crane]

avatar and TC

[plain ice]

avatar before the pull. charge -> tclap -> demo -> tclap -> revenge

should have no aggro issues even on skittish weeks

[stark sage]

your dps should have enough brains to wait on their own

but prot wont lose threat unless you are running with DH or arms who jump the gun every pull

[fringe raft]

340 (had DC) or 370 worth losing dc for the stats or?

[oblique garnet]

Fire mage that crits with everything also pulls aggro

[storm isle]

what do you guys think of lingering sporepods?

[primal crypt]

Wrong channel Rider

[dull pilot]

i know i deleted it

[primal crypt]

@mint kite bring a hunter

if you plan on kiting

then can run with you and still MD

[plain ice]

@fringe raft the benefit of DC makes up for the 30 ilvl loss

[fringe raft]

yahh though as much ! thanks

[plain ice]

np bud gl

that being said, DC is being changed in 6 days from now when 8.1 hits

check out the pins when you have a chance

[fringe raft]

will do! thanks again!

[dire wyvern]

thoughts?

i assume the sporepod is bad

[uneven mason]

Your assumption is warranted

Lion's and Syringe meme levels of parry

[steel mauve]

Sporepod is pretty garbage

[dire wyvern]

roger

useless weekly cache Pepehands

[uneven mason]

U be like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[dire wyvern]

haha

nice

[uneven mason]

Thats Lion's swapping my RA to Crit ++

gonna miss RA

Although

[primal crypt]

RA

[uneven mason]

with the reduction in SB CD

[primal crypt]

= Ravager

[uneven mason]

it won't feel so bad

[primal crypt]

Just spec into it

Ez

[uneven mason]

Reorigination Array

that thing that gives you like 🖕 levels of your highest 2ndary

[primal crypt]

Yeah

Same as ravager

[uneven mason]

I'll take ravage

when thye make AM baseline

[primal crypt]

:)

Lul

[uneven mason]

and

[primal crypt]

Good luck

[uneven mason]

they make it the same a Arms Ravager

MOAR DAMAAAAAAAGE

[primal crypt]

Arms ravager is poop tho

Seriously trash

[uneven mason]

I mean, damage wise

[primal crypt]

Oh

Good luck on that too

[uneven mason]

like, Remove the 89.9% damage reduction from our aura

what is even the point of that

THings I Could see them doing to make our talent competitive

Best Served cold - no cap

Vengeance - Revenge gives us an absorb for the amount of damage it deals

[primal crypt]

Lol they wouldnt do that

None of thT

[uneven mason]

Never Surrender - All healing is increased based on missing health (not just IP) scaling from 95% to 20% (1% at 95% 100% at 20%)

competitive talents

never happen

Let us all bow down to our eternal god Anger Management

the most Ironic talent name in the history of Warriors

[storm isle]

it's so funny

[primal crypt]

🙆

[lusty grotto]

im bored

[primal crypt]

I'm not

I'm eating chicken

[lusty grotto]

i should start studying for my java license

[primal crypt]

Y tho

[lusty grotto]

cause im not doing shit at my job, i finish my tasks so fast

also they pay for it

and also i can move away from here and earn a shitload more money

[primal crypt]

Get security shit then

Cybersecurity anything

[lusty grotto]

meh

[uneven mason]

massive pain in the ass

[lusty grotto]

i wanna go back to virginia

[sand egret]

learn shader scripting and work for meeeee

[uneven mason]

Learn to raise sheep than Nim

[lusty grotto]

northern virginia :p

[uneven mason]

Unless you mean that small area around Washington DC

😄

[lusty grotto]

yes

[uneven mason]

I lived in Alexandria for a few years

[lusty grotto]

i mean not that close oof

[uneven mason]

hah

[lusty grotto]

i lived in centreville

was nice

[uneven mason]

yup

I went from living in CHicago to new york, to Alexandria

[primal crypt]

Im in Manassas lol

[lusty grotto]

really?

[primal crypt]

Yar

[uneven mason]

going 15minutes outside of my area and hitting yokels ville, quite the disturbing

yeah back in Chicago

[primal crypt]

Work in Chantilly

[uneven mason]

now though, that was 15 years ago that I was on east coast

[lusty grotto]

my aunt lived in manassas but then she moved to bumfuck south, fuck that i'm never visiting

my ex works in chantilly :\

i like mclean a lot but holy shit it's expensive

[primal crypt]

That's where the old money lives

Mclean

[lusty grotto]

i go to visit every oct, cause one of my bestest buddies lives there

[primal crypt]

Mother is a realtor. Sold a house over there for 1.6m

[lusty grotto]

sounds about right

[primal crypt]

And that was a smaller house from what i was told

I just caught what @uneven mason said lol

That small area around dc lel

[lusty grotto]

lol no thx

[primal crypt]

I love how n.va is completely separate from Virginia

People will emphasize northern

[uneven mason]

hey man I wasn't sure

if I was safest I've ever bene

or in most danger of being killed

my next door neighbor was CIA

+++ that area

[primal crypt]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

haha

[primal crypt]

Sounds right

Fbi, cia

[uneven mason]

He's just disappear for like 3 weeks at a time

[primal crypt]

All right here

[uneven mason]

ask me to feed his cat

one time cat got loose

[primal crypt]

NIM

apply for cia

[uneven mason]

didn't find him for like a week

[lusty grotto]

what do you do? if i tell you, i'd have to kill you /cue-canned-laughter

[primal crypt]

Im sure they're watching our chat

[uneven mason]

Like yeah I GUESSED but didn't know 100% until he retired (the year after I moved away)

[lusty grotto]

literally everyone in NVa

[primal crypt]

Lol

That or heavy military

Lots of top brass

[lusty grotto]

even if you're in the private sector

you do something that you can't talk about

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[primal crypt]

sounds right

[ember arrow]

Making memed

[uneven mason]

my uncle was in the army for 30 years, he was a driver then head of security for the Generals when they were in Europe, I thought he sold IBM computers for most of my life.

[lusty grotto]

Levko please turn in your badge

[uneven mason]

because he wasn't allowed to speak about what he did

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[ember arrow]

Driver

Then head of security

Interesting change

[uneven mason]

well

over 30 years

he made friends with a few of the brass

started out grunt

[ember arrow]

Blow someone up wit a mine then say

Just a prank bro

[lusty grotto]

😱

where are the are we better than bdk in 8.1? questions today

[modern brook]

:^)

grip

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto wait is prot going to be better than BDK in 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

yes

in our hearts

(also vote for saurfang)

[modern brook]

ignoring the haters will be done off the global

I'm super torn on the saurfang vs sylvanas

on the one hand saurfang is baller

on the otherhand, sylvanas did nothing wrong

[lusty grotto]

im gonna be honest

i simply dislike nathanos

[plain ice]

same dude

[modern brook]

yeah respectable

[lusty grotto]

i don't hate him

i dislike him

[modern brook]

there is honor in that

[lusty grotto]

i'm like bitch you're a hunter

drop the sass asap

[modern brook]

he struck me as a rogue tbh

like combat, not outlaw

[lusty grotto]

that'd be even worse

though i actually do like garona and whatever her name is

[modern brook]

lilly or valeera?

[lusty grotto]

fuck, the UD one

[modern brook]

Voss yeh,

[lusty grotto]

yeah i like Voss

[modern brook]

in game rogues are cool

pc rogues are big nirgins

[lusty grotto]

isn't valeera technically alliance?

[modern brook]

IDK

[lusty grotto]

hmmmmmm

[modern brook]

u didnt give me a lot to work with

I just listed the 2 that i know of that arent garona

[lusty grotto]

yeah i could be wrong but i thought Valeera was Varian's FWB

[modern brook]

more like dwb, caus he's dead.

get fucked allies

[lusty grotto]

true

rekt

inb4 they mention voljin

HES A LOA OKAY

or whatever the fuck they are doing with him

[oblique garnet]

Saurfang the traitor must die

I wonder if the number of people choosing the other questline will have something to do with how this expansion pans out

Like if people choose sylvanas saurfang will turn into last boss or smth

[modern brook]

thats the other reason i wanna vote for sylv

If we could like

not have the alliance

[ember arrow]

@oblique garnet about as much as the warfront contributions mattered

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but if you think about it if lets say majority people choose to do the sylvanas questline and fight alongside her saurfang would become the champion that would be sick

Since blizzard probably keeps track of things like that

[modern brook]

I just want saurfang to be like wait there IS honor in this

and come back

:/

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if they will merge Team Saurfang with the Alliance and then we will be like fuck

[ember arrow]

@oblique garnet just like they keep track of the subcount

Amirite

[lusty grotto]

ye

[modern brook]

i think we're gunna murk saurfang

sylv is gunna bring him back

ezpz horde no longer fractured

[lusty grotto]

he would kill himself

remember his kid in ICC?

[modern brook]

Vaguely

[lusty grotto]

I REMEMBER BECAUSE OF THAT GODDAMN TRINKET

Deathbringer's Will

[modern brook]

i remember soemthing like warriors death, now u sleep boyo

[lusty grotto]

now that i think about it, i've always had problems getting dps trinkets

good thing i got Syringe yesterday 😃

with socket!

[oblique garnet]

385?

[lusty grotto]

listen man

calm down

[modern brook]

😦

[oblique garnet]

355?

[modern brook]

340

[lusty grotto]

😢

you know what's funny is that i parsed best gear for arms and

Rezan is better than it 😦

so i fucking used seals for nothing

[oblique garnet]

yeah for arms?

[lusty grotto]

same ilvl, same socket

[sick sentinel]

Rezan op af

[lusty grotto]

fathoms + rezan parses better than fathoms + syringe

[oblique garnet]

yeah if its low ilvl syringe for sure

[sick sentinel]

@385 rezan is better ST

[lusty grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6GAmcAt58brRb49ofLXrN7

that's my non-RA parse

[sick sentinel]

Crit gets more use from arms through aoe

[lusty grotto]

i went like : "well shit"

[sick sentinel]

Since haste is not good enough for the aoe prom night

[lusty grotto]

it's not a hectic cleave parse though

it's patchwerk

[sick sentinel]

I know, just saying that in hectic crit gets more

[lusty grotto]

oh

yea you're right

fuck

i can't believe i missed that

[sick sentinel]

All good

Still can't believe fathoms is stronger than most 385 in st though

[lusty grotto]

hmm i don't have 385 trinkets though

[eager phoenix]

Is Breath of Bwonsamdi the new sanguicell?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

looks like it

[eager phoenix]

Alright, thanks!

[sick sentinel]

I'm basing that info from our BM info for arms

[lusty grotto]

no, crit is better for aoe

for arms

wait

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

BM info?

[sick sentinel]

Bloodmallet

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah

haste better for ST and crit better for aoe

so it makes sense Rezan is higher

on Patchwerk

[sick sentinel]

It feels like legion arms stat wise continued into bfa

[lusty grotto]

mastery was top in legion though

[sick sentinel]

U rite

[lusty grotto]

the haste change to dots made all the difference

(also the mastery change)

[sick sentinel]

I want my the original mastery from the start of bfa back so I don't have to get mastery ever

[primal crypt]

boomie thought he had me

[cinder nova]

yeet

[primal crypt]

doing us proud

he was so tilted at the end

[prime hornet]

Looking to crank out some dps on my prot warrior?

[river oracle]

it is good fun

do recommend

is a good week to do it this week too

[primal crypt]

He was like, I hope warriors get nerfed in 8.1

PJ salt

[river oracle]

our damage is

[cinder nova]

Do we have any napkin math idea of how good DC will be post-nerf?

[river oracle]

anyone know what the new max theoretical uptime on DS is?

[primal crypt]

Only thing that changed was the demo extension

Ifaik

[cinder nova]

It's pretty linear now, bean

14s every 45s

Calculate it on a 5m fight

It's crude, but would give you an idea

[river oracle]

Yeah but the DC to 6 seconds removes that avatar making DS last until the next DS

[cinder nova]

I'm aware.

That's what I'm saying.

It's pretty simple to math out once you find out roughly the CD on DS is with AM.

And then compare it to a fight of average length where you're using it on CD

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[river oracle]

oh i think i had a good parse on that

dummy test though

[cinder nova]

Let's assume it's exactly a 30s CD for the sake of argument

[river oracle]

I think if you mange it right it won't be so bad, should still have DS up for most of most pulls

[cinder nova]

That means for every 1 minute of time you'll have 28s of DS

28 * 5 min fight

140s 2.3min

So a bit shy of 50%

Mind you, that's very rough and simplified. I'm asspulling numbers for the sake of showing you how simple it is.

[river oracle]

yeah

i feel ya

[cinder nova]

Some fights can be as good as like 80 - 90% uptime

Others as low as 60%

[river oracle]

i think it will mostly just affect boss pulls

[cinder nova]

So it's definitely a nerf.

[river oracle]

trash will be higher

boss will be lower

well* trash uptime will be higher, still lower than before though obviously

I'm seeing in low threat getting avatar down to 1min cooldown, with high rage burn you can get your DS cooldown to sub 20 seconds still?

*low rage, not low threat

[smoky oriole]

Does anyone know if simc will be generating a profile for prot in 8.1?

Or is Amr the only place to currently check dps?

[jade wyvern]

every tank has had simc love for a while now. except us 😦

I just dont think anyone wants to work on it

[river oracle]

amr isn't set up for a prot dps rotation either is it?

[open bluff]

forget AMR even exists

[primal crypt]

Amr should not be used for anything

Delete that website from your favorites

Also, still no sims for prot warr

[open bluff]

well, that's not entirely accurate

AMR is useful when you want a good laugh

because nothing it has to say should ever be taken seriously

[plain ice]

IIRC, it was pretty good back in the day for reforging purposes

that's about it

[primal crypt]

Lel

[supple path]

Huh, I've never actually tested because I assumed you can't, but to confirm, does heroic leap let you go over surging darkness on zek'voz, or just another 'blarghdeath' maneuver?

[primal crypt]

Definitely for good laughs

[smoky oriole]

Is there a way to Sim for toughness in simc yet?

[primal crypt]

Yes

You just have to believe

[plain ice]

not reliably, no

[primal crypt]

And voila

[smoky oriole]

Lol

[primal crypt]

Sim complete

Now you're super tough

[smoky oriole]

Incredibly helpful, @primal crypt for president 2020

[primal crypt]

Careful, it might happen

[cinder nova]

Surging darkness?

The rings?

Like... avoid the explosion?

[outer dew]

Where are people talking about Zek?

Nanidafuq did I miss lmao

[cinder nova]

Scroll up like 8 minutes.

@supple path

[outer dew]

Oh that

[supple path]

Hah, hadn't even been following the conversation, figures.

[outer dew]

Just don't be shit and get hit by the activation

There's a tick damage for standing on it

And a damage for activation

You can leap over it and you'll probably take some tick

But if you leap during the activation you will take damage

I believe the game will think you're still at previous location until you end

Land*

[supple path]

Yeah, I'm on a kick now to try to figure out everything I can leap over, and realized I wasn't sure on that one.

Regardless of necessity.

[outer dew]

You can leap into my heart

(;

[supple path]

Will I take damage though?

[astral crystal]

probably because that's where most people's active prog caps out at Kappa

Where are people talking about Zek?
Nanidafuq did I miss lmao
````Tofu - 05-12-2018 15:53 | #protection`

[ember arrow]

wtf is this quoting

pleb

[astral crystal]

im afraid of the discord police finding my embeds

you can get the b& for it

[cloud hound]

any M zevkoz tacts?

[daring marlin]

don’t eat shit

[cloud hound]

tips

[daring marlin]

clap all the adds

win

[cloud hound]

how to take the big boss hits?

[smoky oriole]

wtf is this quoting

[daring marlin]

pool rage for the combo

[outer dew]

last stand on before first voidlash

[daring marlin]

don’t dip below 70%

[outer dew]

sr 2nd void lash

[daring marlin]

win

you can last stand every combo too

[ember arrow]

Not Chang

wtf is this quoting

in #protection · Dec 5, 2018, 8:05 PM

[daring marlin]

I was even able to when my RA was mastery

[outer dew]

you're free to SW the movement combos

[cloud hound]

thanks

[daring marlin]

50% mastery memes

[smoky oriole]

Is hero rotations decent for learning prot. Or is that a meme too

[outer dew]

you should never use a rotational helper as a tank

death is your teacher

that and logs

[silk mortar]

Stickynotes 👍

[prime hornet]

https://sonictemplefestival.com/info/

[signal plover]

Da fuck is going on in here

[outer dew]

Hey Paw

[signal plover]

Hello fake meatmans

[prime hornet]

oops wrong chat

[outer dew]

Ya on Ghuun prog rn right?

[signal plover]

Yeh

[primal crypt]

Rotational helper shouldn't be used unless you're disabled

[outer dew]

Any recommendations for my nub ass?

[primal crypt]

It literally makes you play terribly

[smoky oriole]

Fair enough

[outer dew]

If guild I'm trialing in doesn't kill in an hour for raid tonight I'm stepping

In

[signal plover]

Don't panic press shield block while active on G'huun

[outer dew]

Will LS be acting as filler

Or do I need it to block as something

[signal plover]

I do add tanking and save LS for that

[outer dew]

I see, so LS for the add

If I happen to be add tanking

[signal plover]

It flows pretty well. We taunt at 3 boss stacks as much as possible

[outer dew]

That's for three tanking or two tanking?

[signal plover]

Two tanks

[outer dew]

Do I SR every other debuff stack?

[ember arrow]

Keladan

in #protection · Dec 5, 2018, 8:07 PM

[signal plover]

Yeah alternating with demo pretty much

[ember arrow]

we can go deeper

[signal plover]

U running an orb at all?

[outer dew]

Hmm, I think they want me running orb

[signal plover]

Warr can solo pretty easy

Can get memed by a root (you can break one with avatar but a second can spawn weird sometimes.)

So we're just covering our asses with freedoms

If you're not solo then it's pretty izzi

[dusk locust]

omg

you may have just solved my orb running problem

[signal plover]

Freedom Las Vegas bro

[astral crystal]

we just have our holy pally freedom me when i do orb

[signal plover]

Dats wot I said bb

[astral crystal]

o i read something about avatar

[dusk locust]

our setup has me soling as prot first group, then we have two warriors soloing second group

[astral crystal]

and blanked out

[signal plover]

Mine is ret tho

[astral crystal]

woke up and the text was there

[signal plover]

We r bros

[astral crystal]

weird

monkaS

[dusk locust]

so we have a lot of warriors and we're trying to figure out how to reduce wipes to root rng

[signal plover]

Left is pretty easy to do without freedom

[dusk locust]

besides living action potions which we are carrying

[signal plover]

(if u have avatar)

[astral crystal]

yeah living action works too

[raw gyro]

340 Luminous edge of virtue with socket and haste, or saber of the dread pirate lockwood 365 vers mastery?

weps btw

[dusk locust]

so avatar isn't immunity from getting rooted it just breaks it when you activate it?

[signal plover]

365

[lusty grotto]

secondary stats don't matter

[signal plover]

Correct @dusk locust

[dusk locust]

that'll help tremendously i never thought of that

[raw gyro]

haste is secondary?

[lusty grotto]

is haste strength?

if not, then it's a secondary

[signal plover]

They matter just not to the point where they would outweigh that iLvl difference on a weapon

[lusty grotto]

if yes, then it's a primary

[raw gyro]

okay

ty ty

[lusty grotto]

higher ilvl is always better unless it's a shit weapon that has a shit proc like Waycrest's one

[astral crystal]

i think the problem with popping something after being rooted is that it eats a second or so

and you only have a few seconds with the orb

plus you can get rooted mid charge

which kills one of your charges

[signal plover]

Yeah rooted mid charge fucks ya

[astral crystal]

overall it's safer to go with a freedom or something

[signal plover]

It is if it's a possibility

[astral crystal]

ye ye i know, ideally

[signal plover]

We had two and we have me and our DPS warr soloing to start so we just said give here

[dusk locust]

we have a paladin who's already running who freedoms himself

[astral crystal]

wheelchair speedrun PogChamp

[signal plover]

We end up giving freedom to all solos throughout the fight

Which the pallies JUST LOVE

[dusk locust]

lol

what's the cd on freedom

[signal plover]

25 secs

[astral crystal]

45 secs?

oh ez

[signal plover]

Ya

[dusk locust]

25 wtf

you can freedom like everyone

[signal plover]

And it's not affected by forbearamce

[dusk locust]

well we do have two paladins...

[astral crystal]

make them give you the succ

it'll really cut down on p1 wipes significantly

[dusk locust]

so i'm soloing then another warrior solos right after

can 1 pally cover both

[astral crystal]

i think so

[signal plover]

Maaaaybe

[astral crystal]

there's some time before the orb respawns

[signal plover]

Our solo is like 12 seconds

[astral crystal]

on average a run takes anywhere from 12-17 seconds depending on the non-solo lane speed

[signal plover]

Then orb respawn is 8

So yeah

Also, you usually wanna delay in P1 a bit anyway

[dusk locust]

yeah we're dunking at exactly 1:30

[signal plover]

So that u dunk right after u get the 4th bargain

So u can just delay until the freedom is rdy

The pally will hate u

But the warlocks alrdy hate u so

What's one more

[last cloud]

any tips for zul mythic on crags?

[astral crystal]

dps just needs to not be cucks and realize no damage matters until p3

only dmg on blood feast add

[outer dew]

You're tanking crawgs?

[astral crystal]

everything in ghuun has to be geared with the sole purpose of reaching p3

[outer dew]

Don't kill them

With your dps you might be able to face tank a bit

But in general keep kiting

[last cloud]

aight, ty

[signal plover]

Also if they're dying too fast turn your back to em

Let em heal a bit

They're your babies in P1

Make sure to mitigate the most/kite when the high energy crawggos need to die (right after the second set spawn usually)

[little rain]

@last cloud You got logs?

[primal crypt]

Hm...this group didn't appreciate me using agi flasks over str flasks

Interesting

[last cloud]

@little rain https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hp7RBKvn4TAGQbXP/

[little rain]

Any reason u guys were rotating tanks?

[uneven mason]

Because its the tanks fault?

[last cloud]

the monk went offline

and i've volunteered to tank:P

[uneven mason]

So like, Why'd you get both the crusher and Crawgs?

ZUl wasn't up yet?

[last cloud]

i guess that wasnt intentional

[signal plover]

Phat clap

[dusk locust]

paw how far along on g'huun you guys getting

seeing as we're usually about the same 😛

[limber tulip]

if u guys tank together this is a really shitty joke

[dusk locust]

lol nah

[stray wedge]

what

[limber tulip]

someone else got it

[cloud hound]

bis trinkets are rezan and fathoms?

[limber tulip]

bis isnt a thing with TF

[daring marlin]

you can literally use anything

[modern brook]

I only use proc trinkets on spells

[cloud hound]

jes howler any good?

[daring marlin]

yes

[modern brook]

w/ high eonugh i lvl yes

[daring marlin]

I like vial more tbh

[modern brook]

which is a sentence you will hear often re: prot trinkets

[steady karma]

Fathoms isn't really BiS, but it's both very strong and very easy to acquire and routinely beats most dungeon/raid trinkets under 385+, so calling it "BiS" might be a misnomer because there are technically better things you could get, but it's one of the best trinkets that can be reliably obtained @cloud hound

[cloud hound]

thanks a lot

[exotic tiger]

whats better for general m+ shit, brace or archive?

[neon tangle]

For my BDK it sims higher than any of the 385 trinkets for single target dps

I imagine it will be similar for warrior

[modern brook]

most highlevel m+ ive seen uses double archive DC

[daring marlin]

Archive is legit in M+

[ember arrow]

this is archi's first post since july

[steady karma]

no it's not

[ember arrow]

in #protection

[primal crypt]

lmao

[steady karma]

oh that's true

[modern brook]

😦

[ember arrow]

ye sorry i type in parts

[primal crypt]

he dont care about us

[steady karma]

I actually forgot I was in protection

Bye now

[modern brook]

pce brother.

[supple path]

See you next July!

[ember arrow]

noone fully appreciated it except me

[steady karma]

I didn't just change that setting btw

[exotic tiger]

lol if you don't server mute

[modern brook]

thats my shitty avatar :^)

[ember arrow]

he just doubled his total posts

👏

[cloud hound]

so honored

[ember arrow]

yes

you should be

[neon tangle]

I’m guessing stat trinkets scale better for dps classes

[daring marlin]

wat

[neon tangle]

But for tanks the damage is super OP

[signal plover]

@dusk locust sorry had to actually work. We've gotten to 1st beam in Phase 2 about 6 times total. Had some roster flux after first night so the assignments got jumbled quite a bit

Feels like steady progress tho so far, no walls yet

[dusk locust]

we've had 1 night on it. gotten to p2 with everyone alive a couple times

still working out the tank dance w/ the add

[daring marlin]

Damage on trinkets are generally lower for tanks @neon tangle

Like the new grong trinket

[signal plover]

I think k we're like 60ish real pulls in

[dusk locust]

we're probably like 40

[signal plover]

Expecting 200+ even with nerfs

[dusk locust]

right now we're discussing a decent orb running routine

[signal plover]

Good knows wtf happens with 8.1 tho

[limber tulip]

@steady karma i dont blame u

[dusk locust]

b/c that's where all our trouble is

[signal plover]

We're at the point where we are trying to get our raiders to switch focus from orbs to boils.

Orba becoming pretty consistent

[neon tangle]

I wonder how many guilds will get stuck on zek with the AOE burst nerfs in 8.1

[dusk locust]

we have a ton of soloers that get rooted a lot. that's why we're talking about potentially using our paladins for freedom

[signal plover]

Ummm

[neon tangle]

I bet mine will

[signal plover]

Zul without rogues dude

[dusk locust]

^

we broke down and made like 7 rogue alts

lol

[signal plover]

Lol

[dusk locust]

fight became super ez

after 2 nights of no rogues we were like nah

killed it with a bunch of rogues no more than a week old

[signal plover]

Ya it's no wonder shit got slammed

But it's not looking good for reclear ATM

Assuming that change actually makes it live

[dusk locust]

we've never had CE before and right now we have the potential (depending on raid schedule) to kill ghuun twice, allowing us to get full raid team CE

[daring marlin]

@neon tangle Those nerfs won’t change shit lol

[dusk locust]

so we're trying to push to get g'huun down before christmas, maybe have an extra day in there to start the reclear

[daring marlin]

They’re barely anything

[signal plover]

Ya I joined this guild when they were on mistress prog and we killed that just before ABT. Got CE Argus before OP artifacts

Feels ok for a 2night/6 hour guild

[dusk locust]

yeah that's very good

we had a group of people leave to form their own guild when we got to argus and had too tight a roster

[signal plover]

Oof

[dusk locust]

lessons learned

[signal plover]

The way our GM built this community up is impressive tbh.

[dusk locust]

we've been a guild since nighthold

still moving along

[little rain]

@last cloud
So there isn't a ton of data here for me to work with but I see you guys are trying to do a sub rogue cheese. In 8.1 rogues are losing a great deal of what makes Sub so strong on this fight and the viability on this strat especially when people are bringing in undergeared rogues strictly to take advantage of that is going to be reduced quite a bit (~33% reduced single target damage from what I’m told). Considering only one of your rogues is really doing 33+% more damage than the next non-rogue dps, I'd argue it might be time to bring your mains back in and just allowing your dps to passively cleave the crawgs down. (Still full single target builds, anything that doesn't aim to do the most ST dmg is still pad) This more straight forward approach will allow your raid team to run their normal rotation without having to have any special consideration toward having to hold certain buttons or cds, having to point some abilities is awkward directions, take some talents they might have otherwise not taken, specifically try to not permanently kill early crawgs (which you will now try to do whenever possible), additional raid healing, requiring a 3rd tank, etc all of which should add up to more boss damage. Additionally bc they will cleave the adds down passively you specifically can have extremely high uptime on the boss to help.

With all that having been said the actual advice for tanking the fight would include making good use of your raid’s utility to mitigate as much damage as possible and as Crawgs heal from dmg they deal cc translates not only to damage mitigated but healing prevented – IE: Watch your raid’s available CC like leg sweep, chaos nova, capacitor totem, ring of peace, treents (will likely be used on CD, so you won’t have to actually pay attention to this cd) and call for them when you think they will get proper amounts of value. Have your healers permanently kill crawgs whenever its feasible. The more you can properly deal with crawg damage the more internals and externals you should have available for yourself when you are made to tank Zul in the last phase.

If you guys are committing to the rogue strat for whatever reason I would suggest keeping good communication with your rogues to ensure you have a strong, innate understanding of what that range is as you kite around – any time you’re too far the stacking of those rogues becomes less and less viable. During the portions of the fight where you need the crawgs to stay alive keep an eye in logs for abilities that can avoid crawgs if the player is aware like eye beam/breath/phantom singularity to a degree/etc. Use Avatar as you see wise, you can literally be the #1 source of dmg to crawgs if you aren’t careful. I’d suggest using it if you think you need to help yourself pick threat up when new crawgs spawn or old ones res. You won’t need them as much before the last phase but the advice regarding CC is still heavily applicable in the last phase.

[primal crypt]

LOL

[sand egret]

Travex casts Text Wall

[primal crypt]

Travex you triggered my anxiety

Lmaoooo

[prisma pewter]

Which one is better for tanking?

[last cloud]

@little rain wow, well ye, we are struggling on a deadish realm so its not alts but pugs

[primal crypt]

I have discord open on my other monitor

And your wall of text scared me

[last cloud]

we have just started on zul tho

[signal plover]

Prot warr discord is like my favorite thing

[primal crypt]

Bright white writing

[rapid harness]

Any updated WA for IP displaying bar instead of icon?

[sand egret]

when Trav drops knowledge, he drops that shit hard.

[sick sentinel]

@prisma pewter use luminous edge over the mace

[prisma pewter]

@sick sentinel Thanks! 😃

[robust wave]

Hey bros, any tips to help me learn to use spell reflect better? I have a hard time knowing when I'm taking magic damage.

[outer dew]

Si

[tepid sorrel]

Hey all, any good streamers/youtubers worth watching?

as in prot wars

[outer dew]

No press SR for first cast

Press SR for second cast

Did I get destroyed on first cast

[robust wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGJbrokaBQ

I love this streamer

all prot, all the time, way cool attitude

he just hit 1k io

like, 10min ago

[sand egret]

haha my doppleganger!

[outer dew]

Wtf blade

You're only 1k?

I thought you only m+

Top scam

[robust wave]

Do mobs ever auto attack w/magic damage?

[little rain]

Kind of? Last boss in Motherlode's autos are reflectable iirc

[robust wave]

I feel like the log shows that sometimes. but maybe its ... periodic damage

[astral crystal]

Not sure if in bfa but in legion there were mobs with magic autos

[outer dew]

Also helps for the third boss in ML to track her chemical burn

That's SR but for some reason doesn't track for tanks on DBM

[robust wave]

is there a way to setup UI, to show something that spell reflect would help with?

like, "you're being elemented"

[outer dew]

Wouldn't be surprised if there's WA for that

[robust wave]

can WeakAuras do it? Can I attach every non physical damage type to an icon?

[outer dew]

Most of it is just experience and awareness though

[robust wave]

right, but its hard for me to get the experience, because I haven't been recognizing when its happening

[outer dew]

Oh you'll notice

"what the fuck killed me?"

Chances are you didn't SR or missed a kick

If you get chunked hard, chances are it's because of magic damage

Or the meme that you can't fucking block ranged physical

True despair is when you get one shot by thrpw wrench

You gotta go tell the rogue to go evasion tank it

[little rain]

Start combatlogging your dungeons and uploading them, then looking through the damage taken breakdown.
A basic list of spell reflectable things can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#
Just flip through the tabs @robust wave

[robust wave]

Thanks!

[primal crypt]

Oh my

This week is most good

Mucho bettero than last week

[daring marlin]

go shave

[oblique garnet]

This week ❤️

@outer dew where you at boi

[outer dew]

@oblique garnet studying + waiting for my package qq

[primal crypt]

lol @daring marlin you saw that huh

[oblique garnet]

17 tol dagor lesgo

[primal crypt]

go go go

[inland mesa]

ugh I need a group to run keys 😦

[vestal moat]

Hey all, was wondering how much ilvl is worth sacrificing for Deafening Crash when 8.1 comes? I have a +15 item level heroic to mythic piece I would swap out if it's no longer mandatory for all content.

[supple path]

I wanna say 15 was the consensus, but not positive on that.

[tranquil sand]

does spell reflected damage appear in details in the damage done attributed to the warrior?

if it doesnt appear can it be that the damage is recorded somewhere just that the warrior is not recognised as the source?

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt show up on details yet you can log it and see the damage boss take from there

[shut summit]

Yea do it thru logs

[exotic tiger]

oh shit

taking charge back off the gcd

legit

[sick sentinel]

yeah charge leap and IP off gcd i think

wait leap is already off gcd?

i dont remember

[exotic tiger]

yeah

[zinc mauve]

Leap was on a quarter second gcd

Charge being off gcd is really good though

[outer dew]

No longer will the mong warrior dps die on pull anymore

Change -> Taunt will no longer be missed on pull

[modern kite]

Hey everyone, do we have a cap for the stats as a Warr Prote?

[lusty grotto]

there's no caps

[modern kite]

Ok so do I have to prioritize versa or mastery? After haste ofc

[lusty grotto]

you prioritize ilvl over all else

[modern kite]

at same?

[outer dew]

You're not gonna be miserable having x stat

[lusty grotto]

ilvl >>> secondaries

secondaries are very close to each other

[outer dew]

Example is I value crit for m+ and vers/mastery for raids after haste

[lusty grotto]

but generally yes, haste is better and depending on the type of damage that you are consistently taking mastery could be good for physical and versa for magic

[modern kite]

Ok I see sounds fine

[lusty grotto]

just not at the cost of ilvl

wear highest ilvl, worry about secondaries when you get a same ilvl piece

[outer dew]

Btw nim

[modern kite]

Ok and socket? How much is it worth?

[outer dew]

Real sad times

Been waiting out in the cold for 5 hours

[modern kite]

5 or 10 ivl?

[lusty grotto]

sockets are worth 5 to 10 ilvls on rings

[outer dew]

Second I go back up to my room, guy with my package arrives

[lusty grotto]

that's generally up to you there

[outer dew]

And just bounces

[modern kite]

ok 5 aside ring

Well ty so much

[outer dew]

It depends tbh

[lusty grotto]

wait wait i missed the whole package thing

[outer dew]

Was waiting for a package for past 5 hours because they didn't deliver yesterday because lazy fucks won't try to ping me or enter building

[lusty grotto]

it "might" be around 5 ilvls on other non-ring pieces, but it's too close to call it

[outer dew]

Second I go back to my apartment, the guy arrives

[lusty grotto]

jeez

[outer dew]

Barely caught him from leaving another delivery

But literally lightly taps door and leaves in 5 seconds

Fuck him

[lusty grotto]

that's so weird don't you have like a mail wall

[outer dew]

I do

[lusty grotto]

they don't leave packages there?

[outer dew]

But since it was a phone they require signature

[lusty grotto]

oh

was this UPS or Fedex?

[cinder nova]

My cousin was a mailman

[outer dew]

FedEx Express can eat a dick

[cinder nova]

That guy would hammer on the door like a madman

one guy called the cops

[outer dew]

Literally watched everyone else open the door or page the person

[lusty grotto]

jesus lol

[outer dew]

The one guy that was to deliver for me fucked right off

Lmao

Spent 5 hours studying over WoW in a cold ass lobby

Some sad times

[cinder nova]

Fedex is the worst though

They contract out their last mile

So you get shitty end results.

[lusty grotto]

now that i think about it, i've never had problems with UPS

nor USPS

that i can think of, i'm sure there are some asshole deliveries here and there

[neon tangle]

@cedar minnow amazon is by far the worst in my area, followed by UPS

just depends on your local people

UPS + amazon love to show up at my complex and say they can't deliver to it

[spice lava]

yo so i am normally a dps but im thinking of tanking for m fetid. anyone have any specific tips? from what i’ve seen, prot warrs are really good at main tanking it

[neon tangle]

main tanking m fetid is pretty straightforward, sit against a wall, don't die

OT-ing it is also pretty straightforward

just don't die every 6s or w/e

[outer dew]

Off tanking you might be inspire to use HR