While trying I was questioning myself
#protection
crisp hearth
Considering how good war is on ghuun I was surprised that guild that could afford the switch didn't
woeful mist
Well we all know that right now Prot can't even get close to either blood dk or monk
And my question was more for the next patch not the current one
ember arrow
meiffert will, as always, prob give a better answer
crisp hearth
Its subject to game play mistake sure
But I consider top 100 guild good players
That could afford to bring a great war player for the sturdiness
On zek or fetid for example
junior igloo
My point was that maybe other classes are even better?
It's hard to say.
Monks were the safe bet for the high end guilds because you have even better mobility and you can chain Rings of Peace to deal with the adds.
Plus, the huge EHP just makes them safer and more consistent
crisp hearth
Yeah safer sure
ember arrow
raids are extremely easy, esp for tanks
crisp hearth
But more optimal?
ember arrow
if you want a challenge
dont play wow lol
raids are a team effort
raids=waiting for the dumbest person to get it
you just want everyone to be able to cross that point
crisp hearth
I understand that without problem
I was just wondering if under representation of prot is inherited from the unpopularity of the start
ember arrow
yea definitely somewhat
crisp hearth
Or if I'm just blind for playing warrior while bm and dk are insanely better
ember arrow
i dont think dk is a particularly amazing raid tank
crisp hearth
My Co tank is dk, he is quite good
ember arrow
if u want to get the best raid tank get a monk
woeful mist
The meme right now is that prot is just a dps with a shield
crisp hearth
And I felt we were on an equal footing
ember arrow
i think otherwise warr and dk are on par in raidign
ionic fern
I mean, lets be honest..even with the prot changes the biggest enemy right now is the perception of other people towards Prot Warriors. Even if the changes are good it will take a while before others start recognizing prot as a "decent" tank again.
woeful mist
@crisp hearth just curios, what's your guilds raid progress?
crisp hearth
Hahaha
ember arrow
^
woeful mist
Didn't really tell me what your progress was
crisp hearth
Not hard core then
ember arrow
he wants to mention hes casual, because he is ashamed in some way about the progress
for some reason
right ryan?
crisp hearth
Not at all
woeful mist
Then spit it out
crisp hearth
But I don't understand the reason of the question?
We cleaned mythic ghuun
Yesterday
As I mentioned
Above
ember arrow
i didnt catch that
woeful mist
I'm just curios
crisp hearth
I'm Zirkon you can find my logs I think they are public
junior igloo
Well seeing as we are discussing how he did G'huun on his warrior, I think that 8/8 is a reasonable guess 😛
ember arrow
/ shrug
oblique garnet
nah man im guessing 1/8
woeful mist
That might as well have been G'huun normal
woeful mist
Haven't seen the fight on mythic yet
crisp hearth
But anyway
For those who will progress on ghuun
Don't let war go, it's really strong :-)
How does it look in 8.1?
Fight patten I mean
Pattern?
astral crystal
I’m on ghuun right now, tank damage isn’t really an issue on that fight
It’s just a long choreograph
woeful mist
So what you're saying is that i should get off my lazy ass and gear my warrior?
junior igloo
Only damage that matters is P3
astral crystal
Haven’t really run into a situation in uldir where I’ve wished I was another class
Or a safer class
But I’m not in a top 100 guild so
astral crystal
Meiffert is right though
crisp hearth
And let's be honest
astral crystal
Monk is pretty broken
crisp hearth
You bring so much dps in the balance
For zek zul ghuun even mythrax
I always felt the dps I try to brought in the mix
astral crystal
I’m indifferent to bringing high dps to anything other than m+
crisp hearth
Was appreciate when it come to cleaning adds faster
junior igloo
Boss damage on G'huun:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#boss=2122&metric=bossdps&class=Tanks
junior igloo
seems pretty balanced overall, a lot of brewmaster fotm rerollers playing the passive talents, good ones are about equal with the rest I'd say (only druids are behind)
crisp hearth
It's that my dps are not good enough right?
Maybe but I like to see it as a team effort :-)
soft kindle
hope that 12% buff isn't the end
urban walrus
P3 damage
soft kindle
that's not p3 damage
junior igloo
That's boss damage over whole fight
urban walrus
I had wrong paste
astral crystal
They’re all pretty close
urban walrus
Weighted IS p3
woeful mist
Which azerite traits should i go for?
urban walrus
junior igloo
I like the mobile tanks on G'huun a lot after they changed it so that you can use abilities while holding orb.
Having a bunch of solo carriers makes it smoother
urban walrus
I think I've seen a bdk solo an orb once?
junior igloo
kinda doubt it
urban walrus
Thing is with tank damage having a bigger ehp it makes healing them braindead, I'll be trying my 370 monk on M ghuun next week to compare
astral crystal
pallies can solo orbs surprisingly enough
warlock gate + freedom and zoom zoom horse
junior igloo
I'd rank the solo-run capabilities:
- Monk
- DH, warrior (needs a decently positioned portal, not that it's a problem)
- Rogue (has to spec Subtlety), Warlock (not quite sure how hard it is for them)
- Mage, Druid (have to play Arcane/Feral/Guardian which is not really worth)
oblique garnet
warlocks basically just teleport to the gateway and thats about it
They can do it probably even faster than monks
junior igloo
I have also seen a couple others, but they were relying on racials (goblin or void elf), so it's not universally possible on the class
It has limited range, so you have to run for a bit
Can you find a clip or log of a paladin solo running?
astral crystal
it's probably in one of our logs, but our holy pally did it while we were wiping once
junior igloo
Maybe I could try it myself later
primal crypt
Bull rush is broken for orb solo
astral crystal
so i just have him throw that on me when i solo the orb
primal crypt
It takes you so far
astral crystal
ill take u far bb
primal crypt
Oh yas
Give me
Interesting
Lepan is active on his prot warrior too lol
Incoming fotm
primal crypt
We about to get unnecessary nerfs lol
primal crypt
His chat literally stated warriors need a nerf
TC demo combo is too strong they say
Unbelievable they say, how can warriors be this overpowered
...
abstract pelican
think once we get our defensive buffs the nerf to dmg will come?
abstract pelican
I seriously hope they never become FOTM
abstract pelican
I mean
Isnt part of it because they ran out of easy content to gear their main classes/specs?
primal crypt
With people in their chat saying it's time to reroll warrior because they fixed IP
people have no idea what changes actually happened lol
abstract pelican
you gun make me cry
primal crypt
They think ip got super buffed
abstract pelican
I like being the sleeper tank spec
primal crypt
People will reroll warrior first week
Try things and stop
Because warrior will still be "too hard"
abstract pelican
good
primal crypt
Block changes got me pumped
Makes things so good
Charge changes are good too
Ip off gcd will be fantastic for aoe packs
soft kindle
and rallyyyy
manic perch
our co-gm told me prot is easy to play, so i said to him sure its very easy, dust off your warrior and come show me how to tank, he says easy man just spam thunderclap....
soft kindle
Rallying cry
junior igloo
Battle Shout and Rallying Cry are huge if you don't want melee warriors
soft kindle
charge and rally off gcd
errant wing
off the gcd ^
junior igloo
Even if they didn't change anything, raid cooldowns are huge in a coordinated group
primal crypt
Mhmm
soft kindle
yee
primal crypt
Very
soft kindle
Moment of Meta
primal crypt
I'll be happy if more people play prot
junior igloo
No other tanks have raid wide cooldowns except for the paladin talent that is channeled and small area
primal crypt
Would help us get more attention imo
soft kindle
every tank has a niche
primal crypt
We still need hookshot
ionic fern
I mean, prot warrior is pretty sick on some fights with SR tyrannical like the first boss in Underrot and the lady & mr waycrest 😄
Good times
primal crypt
Bear makes you run fast
autumn pendant
@soft kindle you zoophil
autumn pendant
You cant win
soft kindle
Stampede back to a 1m cd
primal crypt
And bear mage tower is sick
soft kindle
Accurate
primal crypt
They have very tiny legs though lol
Makes me giggle
Body ratio is funny
OH
funny nerf
Sub rogs lost their shuriken combo
How cucked is that lol
soft kindle
It's a bit fucked
primal crypt
Went an entire tier with it
soft kindle
be better to reduce it to like 1 or 2% per stack instead of 8
primal crypt
All of a sudden it's just gone lmao
autumn pendant
People will forever be jealous of not having that mage tower skin on bear
soft kindle
still have nuts ST funnel from AoE but reduce the broken-level of it
add some aoe to compensate
primal crypt
Yeah, sub spec literally went into the trash can with that
junior igloo
One more week before tanking on a warrior again 😃
soft kindle
Trashcan
junior igloo
Is that in 8.1?
primal crypt
Yup
soft kindle
Yar
junior igloo
In before half the guilds can't rekill Zul next week
primal crypt
Lmao
soft kindle
Destro and survival can do well enoguh to replace
still funny to think some guilds will legit struggle on it now
primal crypt
Mhmm
marble cipher
We had 4 shamans on our M G'huun kill, just call our guild "The Bench" 😄
astral crystal
wtf 7 rogues lol
abstract pelican
thoughts?
autumn pendant
Not worth the mats
rancid smelt
Hi, its my first time posting something here.
Anyone having trouble with prot spec in m+ like +10 or high?
sick sentinel
What specifically
sick sentinel
Do you notice problems in specific dungeons or are u talking in general @rancid smelt
manic perch
i have been having a tough week this week sang necro was hard on me as my guildies i play with dont really have good slows or cc for dropping stacks. and pugs... yeah screw pugs..... also some runs were just "boost a noob" runs making silly mistakes all over
mental scarab
Necrotic thats 2x charge to healer and HL i have a priest that grip to dho
And sang thats LOS time 🤩
manic perch
we managed to break a freehold 10, we somehow glitched the brawlers.... rip key dreams
oblique garnet
Oh damn i just realized theres no eudora next week on freehold so its even more free than it was before
sick sentinel
This week or next?
oblique garnet
The bursting skittish week
sick sentinel
Yeah well get with the program
manic perch
LOOOL
spice zephyr
the change to charge and rallying cry to be taken of gcd is confirmed? I have just read the article that stated that they will remove more abilities from gcd, mainly movement and defensive and these are ...
sick sentinel
Yes
sick sentinel
No, blizzcon
spice zephyr
they just said they will remove something, but did it happen?
sick sentinel
It was confirmed they would but I can't tell u if it's in the ptr rn
spice zephyr
ok, thanks
well, I have not seen the blizzcon panel (or don't remember), I read this (which is probably referring to that statement): https://www.wowhead.com/news=288414/movement-and-utility-abilities-will-be-re-taken-off-the-gcd-fist-weapon-transmog
they just listed abilities added, not that anyone said they will be taken off
spiral crypt
last chance .. this weeks ptr-build
daring marlin
sup goofs
uneven mason
TFW you do a +9 with a healer applicant and he's complaining because you're "Running away from the mobs"
uneven mason
"I can heal it" *Looks at 33 stacks of necrotic "No dude, you can't"
spice zephyr
@signal plover yeah that is why I ask, this is not a confirmation, so nobody knows anything other than this post
autumn pendant
@uneven mason just get gud lol
daring marlin
git*
daring marlin
Won't make necrotic any less of a cancer affix.
Kiting isn't fun or interesting gameplay.
I wanna charge in and mongo.
signal plover
@spice zephyr fair enough. Will need to get someone with PTR access to answer ya.
autumn pendant
Its physical
shut summit
intercept / heroic leap are off GCD, rally still is on it @spice zephyr
autumn pendant
@ember arrow dunno why i thought warrior can mitigate dmg from it better when its physical
marble cipher
Afaik only the application of the dot is physical, not the dot itself. But not sure
Well, in 8.1
oblique garnet
Intercept off GCD = Bless
daring marlin
HELL YEAH BROTHER
soft kindle
Rally when 😡
eager tartan
Today I made a BDK salty cuz I was aggroing Zek'Voz with raw DPS
worth reset, even with cancer afflix rolf
wintry ermine
it happens Childe, 😄
daring marlin
Loads when I was tanking in Uldir with my cotank.
I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO KEEP THREAT I'M SPAMMING ALL OF MY ABILITIES
wintry ermine
happened last night to me on our mythrax kill, I caught aggro right before the first shear
daring marlin
got me every time
soft kindle
hahahahahaa funny taking threat off other tanks good ol prot xD rawr
Play a guardian druid
dicks
eager tartan
poor lad got so triggered he said to the RL he won't tank anymore
a bloody healer had to go with the off spec to replace him while we find the next one
one more 1 trick pony to the Mythic + I guess
btw, what you guys think about the new Intimidating Shout trait for Mythic +?
sick sentinel
First of all, instead of telling you to stop dpsing he just quit?
eager tartan
yup, it was his first day
eager tartan
reminds me to the days I used to pay a hunter to redirect me to banter the new tanks
sick sentinel
And secondly, new int trait looks fine for m+ because makes it not absolutely necessary to break the fear immediately and can be used in nice ways
I wouldn't take impassive visage out for it though
But I would take it over prydaz
daring marlin
resounding for prot is 🤢
astral crystal
thing with int shout is that it usually breaks really quickly anyway
eager tartan
even if it breaks, I find interesting on the reduced damage thingy
astral crystal
it breaking quickly is not a bad thing
fear's just a snap interrupt basically
just saying
daring marlin
yes
astral crystal
the new int shout trait is kind of pointless in that regard
wanna see how the damage prevented scales though
astral crystal
yeah that doesnt seem awful
soft kindle
Give me a few minutes I'll see how it is at 420
sick sentinel
On manor pigboss you can fear the servants and basically ignore them
pseudo owl
Does healing potion and the effect from emblazoned alchemist stone ignore the healing reduction from necrotic?
soft kindle
probably not
rocky ledge
before you start spamming "Check the Pins" does anyone know why Blood Rite (haste azerite trait) isn't mentioned at all? This thing has ridiculous uptime.
signal plover
Cuz we don't support blood magic
oblique garnet
because its ring 1 trait and theres better alternatives
open bluff
Bonus rolled a 380 AD 1h yesterday too. WHAT IS THIS SORCERY 
oblique garnet
Feelsbadman i jsut got 385 Sporepods but i like my crit trinkets too much
Please leave
uneven mason
Crit
uneven mason
🤔 WHy choose
eager tartan
the other one I have is the one from Atal'Dazar
uneven mason
syringe will have better overall damage reduction over a fight
soft kindle
Mythrax to stay alive, syringe to do some damage
eager tartan
700 haste on proc
uneven mason
REzan's is bestest
I Mean, mythrax if your healers are letting you get wrecket
Or you're prone to fuckups
(I Use mythrax)
soft kindle
or because it's a very strong safety net for when shit goes south
uneven mason
So the 2 things I Mentioned
eager tartan
guess Syringe for logs and eye for progress shrug
oblique garnet
I use mythrax on m+ depending on the week and how high the key is
soft kindle
bitch plz
uneven mason
DPS trinkets all the way on M+
soft kindle
I'm everywhere
eager tartan
yeah, can't trust DPS to even do DPS mate
oblique garnet
Nah fam if im doing shrine on fortified i aint trusting my pugs to interrupt the casts
soft kindle
whole point of a prot warrior is that they don't have to
uneven mason
Don't you bring your low DPS two weapon crap in here....
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png
eager tartan
ikr
uneven mason
We know who the big dogs are.
eager tartan
focking love to see DPS cry anchor
chilly brook
Oh linking DPS meters eh?
uneven mason
Avatar faded just before the pull finished, cause that mage couldn't keep their shit together
so I dippped below 90k
oblique garnet
I hate that everytime we are doing zul trash i just die because i have aggro on like 3x of those mobs that leave the dot
chilly brook
xD
eager tartan
boi Zul is the best day of the week
chilly brook
Bro I had really good heals fr
uneven mason
Don't stand in puddles, make sure enrage gets dispelled
oblique garnet
So i get to like 170k burst then die and never get cr on time because everyone is busy healing the other tanks who get aggro
chilly brook
That’s always the worst part though
Like I love our DPS
But I hate how other tanks “can’t” tank on trash lmao
oblique garnet
yeah but lets be honest
Which other tank can actually even try to hold aggro
from us
eager tartan
poor Guardians
oblique garnet
I was watching method potters stream and there was a beast of an guardian tank
eager tartan
everytime I start a +10 I always think
soft kindle
Stop bullying my bear you dicks
eager tartan
"fucking it could we worse"
eager tartan
fuck it*
sand egret
yo chill out bears gonna get on it soon
chilly brook
I mean tbh Paladin has pretty good aoe DPS as well but it hinges a lot on them having the aggro to begin with
sand egret
got me my poor, poor mans chains
soft kindle
12% more garbage
hushed cobalt
Would new trait Bastion Might be worth getting 2 of or maybe even 3? And wondering in a nit-picky way if the mastery buff happens before getting IP(so the IP is bigger due to the +AP from mastery)
hushed cobalt
Aw jeez, because stacking was too good?
oblique garnet
no clue why
soft kindle
Because it was insane
sick sentinel
500 mastery was absolutely bonkers
soft kindle
stacking 3 420 gave almost 4 thousand mastery
sick sentinel
WAIT what
soft kindle
was like 3800 I think
sick sentinel
I thought it was like 500 mastery from the 385
soft kindle
at 420
hushed cobalt
Anyone know how much block % you had with 2 or 3, pre and post nerf?
eager tartan
well hell, I used to cry about losing endless DC
soft kindle
any numbers I'm saying are 420 stuff from ptr
oblique garnet
Oh yeah because in 8.1 if you get the last trait on a piece it also empowers the traits
eager tartan
but that might make up for it
soft kindle
it was fucking insane
you got like 86% mastery (something like that?) from the 3 traits alone
oblique garnet
Thats with the empowered traits ye?
oblique garnet
Yeah but didnt blizzard say something like having the last trait unlocked would increase the effectiveness of the traits?
soft kindle
Let me re-check
sick sentinel
It does already
soft kindle
^
getting the center ring increases the ilvl of the piece, which makes the traits stronger on it
sick sentinel
Makes my 6750 azerite veins go to 7100
soft kindle
It's always been a thing
numbers go up with azerite ilvl
the center trait is 1/3 of 15 ilvl in value
rough math it by looking at a trait from a 370 piece, then a 385 piece, divide the difference by 3
that's about how much the center ring gives
Right now triple bastion gives 1830 mastery
wintry ermine
seems alright, not broken right now
sick sentinel
Thing is
oblique garnet
thats gonna make our damage even higher im not even mad
sick sentinel
Triple bastion+1dc+2other traits
Triple bastion triple DC, now that's some aoe damage
eager tartan
Gachigasm
oblique garnet
Triple bastion triple bloodsport 🤔
oblique garnet
The leech
eager tartan
that E keybind I have for thunderclap is going to burn baby
astral crystal
anyone know if the azerite currency comes out with the patch or will it unlock with s2?
astral crystal
cool
oblique garnet
But can only buy 385 pieces
But the 5th ring wont be on the items until the raid comes
Or so i remember reading last night
eager tartan
pretty sure that's the case
soft kindle
You might not be able to save it
oblique garnet
You can
soft kindle
or a different currency might be used
oblique garnet
Its the same currency
thats the whole point since you cant get azerite gear from weekly cache anymore
sand egret
yeah it's a singular currency
jade socket
I seriously doubt you'll be able to hold it
I imagine the prices will be inflated or the currency will be wiped
wary gyro
looks like its coming with 8.1
soft kindle
It wouldn't make sense to be able to hold the currency and then buy 1-2 pieces of 415 gear as soon as the new raid drops
be silly
sand egret
they'll prob add another tier of pricing than wiping imho
wary gyro
or they'll scale it so you dont earn as much till the raid opens
oblique garnet
@jade socket So far the prices for 415 ilvl were supposed to be 3250 and you get around 500 week
Like specific ones
soft kindle
Fun numbers, for what it's worth, 416 Ignore Pain gives me ~45k, bloodsport at 420 is 6.6k
sand egret
a single Bloodsport?
oblique garnet
bloodsport also gave leech right?
oblique garnet
Yeah so imagine 3 BoM 3 Bloodsport if it triggers the leech effect
daring marlin
holy moly
sand egret
well you could just press IP once even if it doesn't+)
daring marlin
I was in a TW dungeon
and this healer called me bad
I look at his history
and he bought a 10
OMEGALUL
sand egret
it doesn't stack?
oblique garnet
dissapointment
sand egret
if you get two, you don't get 80 rating?
eager tartan
it was a disc priest?
soft kindle
It stacks, but it doesn't scale with ilvl
sand egret
hmm
soft kindle
3 bloodsport is 3% leech
sand egret
db seems busted
soft kindle
also is ~65k IP
sand egret
showing it scales via ilvl
sick sentinel
I'm still wearing my Bloodsport piece because of ilvl
soft kindle
Actually that's goofy af that it stacks
most traits don't stack their effect
only their numerical portion
sick sentinel
I replace my IP so much it's not worth it I feel
sand egret
well the leech is a numerical rating, not a %
sick sentinel
If IP stacked it would be really cool
soft kindle
LoW for arms got nerfed on ptr because the rage gain, which is the effect part, has been stacking and that was a bug
sick sentinel
Like, I use IP even when full stacked to dump rage for AM
soft kindle
it should seriously stack beyond 1.3
wintry ermine
more bloodsports => less IP usage => more revenges => more leech and more damage
sand egret
eh i mean
sick sentinel
Snorri that's not how it works tho
sand egret
i don't really think it would make much a diff unles you're getting hit for more than an entire IP pool
sick sentinel
Most revenges are free
daring marlin
most revenges being free is why IP off the GCD is amazing
sick sentinel
And since ip is 50% of damage, even having a huge IP shield it would still not be good enough
IP is more of a dumpster for rage rather then huge mitigation tbh
daring marlin
Due to the nature of it being 50% instead of 90% the shield not stacking to an absurd amount makes sense
sick sentinel
you should use it yeah but its more important to use rage and get cdr
wintry ermine
it still goes away pretty quick while tanking anything that does big damage
sick sentinel
I feel 50% is too low though
astral crystal
it's not supposed to stay up permanently, it just smooths damage intake
think of it like that
daring marlin
Still feels pretty impactful.
daring marlin
Especially when rage is pooled for shit like mythic zek combo.
astral crystal
if it scaled a little bette rit'd be fantastic
wintry ermine
having it 90% and it going away quicker would be worse
astral crystal
but as is it works pretty well
wintry ermine
would be more spiky
uneven mason
IP is just as strong per cast as it was in Legion
also, its about 3500HPS on me, so that isn't nothing.
sick sentinel
Thing is
uneven mason
with nearly 0 "wasted" healing
from the absorb
its an amazing tool folks just want the triple stack + bracers 90% absorb we had in Legion
uneven mason
"infinite health"
daring marlin
hey man
sick sentinel
I didn't mean to say that I don't like the current iteration
daring marlin
that healing was hilarious with T21 2pc and bracers
sand egret
exactly, the small pool is in relation to the % mitigated
sick sentinel
Legion healers were complaining that our prot war either needed 0 healers or 10 healers
uneven mason
@sick sentinel Prot in legio nwas literally full health or dead.
sand egret
with it off the GCD, we now have the freedom to use it exactly when we need to smooth given damage in the moment instead of playing around the nearest GCD
daring marlin
the small pool that is
uneven mason
there was no middle ground
uneven mason
we either mitigated it to minscule, or it one shot us hah
sick sentinel
With a 390 bloodsport piece
sand egret
legion prot was a runaway train of IP
daring marlin
I think the next thing they could look at is our single target rage gen
astral crystal
the real question
sick sentinel
I replace my IP so much, it feels bad
astral crystal
is 3x bloodsport the META
daring marlin
other than that 8.1 looking phat b o y s
uneven mason
rage gen is fine
we'll gain more rage from IP being off GCD
3x Bloodsprt will have its uses
uneven mason
I wouldn't mind pushing it for a figh like Vectis or Zul
sand egret
I really want to try 3x BS myself
daring marlin
you'll have plenty of opportunities to do so
sand egret
specifically because it helps me shore up my magic mitigation, something that BFI/IF doesn't help with
wintry ermine
when do you replace your IP? @sick sentinel , what content?
daring marlin
Have you seen the new raid gear and whatnot on PTR?
sick sentinel
@wintry ermine I do 10s to 13s mostly
wintry ermine
Huh, strange
daring marlin
There are four asserite pieces with BS in the new raid.
sand egret
my IPs get ripped through depending on what i'm tanking
daring marlin
two chests and one of the other two each.
astral crystal
a s s
sick sentinel
I'm extremely weirdly itemized
modern brook
:^)
astral crystal
we still havent seen how azerite traits on s2 m+ gear looks right?
sand egret
i gotta take a gander at what the M+ pieces look like with the new ring
astral crystal
should be a lot of variety there
sick sentinel
because I just wear the highest ilvl piece and then haste, I have like 180 vers
sand egret
but....
daring marlin
at 370
sand egret
easily getting 3x IV
daring marlin
with the new traits
sand egret
YUM
daring marlin
but it's a new build
sand egret
BS + IV
sick sentinel
my gear is like haste crit mastery so either I take damage or I don't
daring marlin
so it's the release build and it's all 340 again
sand egret
i'm going in hard
daring marlin
I find it absolutely hysterical that they gut DC(which is fine) but the new raid also has a bunch of pieces with DC on it
one piece in uldir could have had DC on it
ya dinks
proven ledge
What's the theoretical haste breakpoint for 100% shield block uptime
daring marlin
something you won't achieve anytime soon
proven ledge
hence theoretical.
sick sentinel
you can reliably have 100% uptime for like 2 mins straight tho
proven ledge
How's that kage?
daring marlin
SB/last stand
proven ledge
100% up time of shield block you refer to?
proven ledge
I count 36 seconds
sick sentinel
shit
weak phoenix
Do you all think we are still going to be using the current cookie cutter build or will more options open up to us in 8.1 with a triple bs build?
eager tartan
currently in Uldir I think I can reach between 10-11 secs with procs
daring marlin
yeah nah that's not with procs or anything
sick sentinel
if you have melee with you?
proven ledge
Oh true
daring marlin
so I'd be missing out on hella haste
uneven mason
if nly pnish was 2% and stacked 3x
eager tartan
I'm lucky to be in a raid with shit loads of huntards and warlocks
so there is also always pets around
daring marlin
hellyeahbrother
proven ledge
You run AM not HR for tier 100 right?
daring marlin
loss of RA gonna make you sad
oblique garnet
eh i still have so much haste from gear
soft kindle
Correct Czy, AM is taken for all content
oblique garnet
So even in outside of uldir i get to like 12sec cd
eager tartan
yeah on 8.1 even losing RA is not that big of a deal
daring marlin
I wanna be cool like boost and have a metric fuckton of sockets
sick sentinel
in the all warrior run I tanked fetid with HR
sick sentinel
because he died in 71 seconds and I knew I would not double use my CDs anyway
soft kindle
Thrash tanking, HR is a good idea, but you shouldn't be thrash tanking as a warrior 😃
eager tartan
I haven't killed MFetid yet, but I off tank the bitch like a champ
sick sentinel
a warrior will have to tank him
eager tartan
and all because the GM DK wanted to have his shot with it
died without even reaching the enrage phase
soft kindle
Dk should thrash tank
wintry ermine
fetid is like a DK wet dream
soft kindle
They are the single best tank for it
eager tartan
aye, I'm unlucky to be sorrounded by trash Bdks lol
soft kindle
Warrior and monk fight for best mt, I think monk is better because it's pretty hard to die
eager tartan
don't know how the the hell this guys was dying over and over
soft kindle
Asmongold trying to play fury was a source of endless tilt for me in early Uldir
eager tartan
to be fair though, warrior OT Fetid is just fine
you can time your SB almost perfectly
daring marlin
@soft kindle What happened? Guess I missed that lol
sick sentinel
oh god
soft kindle
He's shit
sick sentinel
he was messing everything up
oblique garnet
Yup
sick sentinel
playing with AM
soft kindle
every 20 minutes some mongo came in asking why the guide says this when asmongold is playing that way instead
oblique garnet
It was 4k
soft kindle
Clearly the guide is wrong
daring marlin
lol
eager tartan
holy shit
sick sentinel
"fury is just bad, play arms"
daring marlin
was he playing with some goofy talents too?
sick sentinel
"I hate arms but I have to play it because fury does no damage"
soft kindle
Almost every one was wrong yeah
sick sentinel
I like asmon but sometimes he just says stupid stuff
failing to tank m+ as prot
not using DC
he is at least right about " back in SoO I was actually good at this game, unlike now"
oblique garnet
"Im gonna pull big numbers not gonna use defensives here" "Watch" as he dies
eager tartan
I got triggered by asmon when he said in a serious manner that it was possible to clean Naxxramas40 in one week after a fresh server open (if it was available obviously)
soft kindle
It is
eager tartan
I don't see it possible tbh
soft kindle
Why
sick sentinel
if 40 people coordinate to do it, it is yah
sick sentinel
we have BiS lists
soft kindle
We have fucking brains....
eager tartan
people barely manage to clean MC in two weeks
oblique garnet
People in classic were so much worse than they are now
eager tartan
I mean people currently, with 10 years of theorycrafting in legit Blizzlike servers
besides there are debufs in Naxx that tick for 1k damage per second, is also a stamina issue
even with blitz reactions
eager tartan
when and where? honest curiosity
soft kindle
Nostalrius was one
eager tartan
I mean, in Nostalrious Naxx wasn't open from the start of the server
he claimed it was possible in the first week of a server
mind you
oblique garnet
naxx isnt gonna be open from the start of the classic either
they are gonna gate the raids
eager tartan
what I mean is, Asmon claims that it was open from the get go
soft kindle
Then he's an idiot
eager tartan
is doable in the first week of a fresh server
ofc, Naxx40 got cleared in 1 day in Lightbringer I think
or less than that even
sand egret
with lockouts, simply not enough gear will drop to beat the patch gate
imho
simply put, can you get your warrior to > 10k hp in a week
soft kindle
On the three servers I know of that are legit copies of classic, no extra private server bullshit, that opened Naxx, one took a day to clear, one took 3 days, the third took 7 1/2
sand egret
I don't think so
soft kindle
From naxx opening
sand egret
however, if you HAD already farmed and have bwl gear (LOL ALLIANCE imba) then doing it in the first week will be peanuts imho
players are just vastly more equipped now, and we have 100% information in what strats to do. Very little learning curve
Loatheb, however
could be a huge cockblock
that shit ruined our world rankin =/
if it's time gated, any smart guild will already be farming their NR gear/SR gear off the jump throughout the tiers in prep for Naxx.
eager tartan
yeah I find AQ40 more interesting
the whole Wpvp and guild effort
rather than stacking shit loads of consumables after killing Cthun till Naxx opens
sand egret
yeah, but AQ40 was all about learning (at the time) "quirky" mechanics
knowing them now...like those fucking anubis guards, it's way easier to know what exactly to do for each potential combo
ivory barn
anyone else having discord app issues>
uneven mason
Yeah, I've learned to wait a solid 10 minutes before I post anything on the app, because chances are the nutter is scrolled up to 18 hours ago
and I'm going to answer a question someone asked last week.
daring marlin
lol
ivory barn
leel it happened to me today for a first. good to know
zinc mauve
ive responded to a pm in the wrong window before
admitedly that was my own error but the result wasnt good
never respond to raunchy messages without making sure your sending the response to the right person
daring marlin
woah there buddy
zinc mauve
yeah was a real yikes when your whole guild sees it
daring marlin
lol
old night
mythic zul is quite fun
got zul to 30 on night one
hoping for a kill this week
we're using the zerg strat
since we got zero rogues
dusk locust
i thought using rogues was the zerg strat
old night
we just overloaded the entire group of adds with aoe
and were surprisingly able to control it all despite it being a ST fight
got consistent P2 pulls
dusk locust
were you ccing all 4 bloodhexers?
inner basin
for mythic zul has anyone tried setting reorigination to crit over haste if your raid needed more add damage? and if so was it worth the loss of haste?
im tanking it for the first time tonight and we are struggling to clear adds fast enough
outer dew
Haste is huge for our dps
daring marlin
y u change name
outer dew
Lmao
Oi
I'm gonna whisper sweet nothings to the 1800 Boomie
Maybe he carries me
Lmao
sand egret
he's gotta run it by the Tree Amigos first
they the true MVP
Boomie is just a shell
sand egret
btw my +8 work run of FH went swimmingly! I introduced my coworker to the wonders of Trees, it was great
oblique garnet
I have done 11 freeholds today
oblique garnet
I was trying to see how fast the dungeon goes on a +5
or lower
Took me 11 minutes to do a +3
daring marlin
I was helping a coworker do keys last week
lusty grotto
🤔
daring marlin
and he was like These people constantly inspect you, it's hilarious
must be shocked at seeing a prot warrior ever
sand egret
i made a dk friend on my warrior yesterday since I ran a pug where we both signed up as tank/dps so when it came down to roles I just locked in tank and he locked in dps and the rest of the group was so confused. Meanwhile we're just over here like 🤜 🤛
daring marlin
lol
sand egret
fucking DH would not shut up about it haha
dusk locust
hah
whenever i'm looking for pugs for a basic 10 i don't accept meta picks. always looking for spriests/shamans/etc
sand egret
"maybe if you stopped typing and started dpsing you wouldn't lose to our tank...." - omegaburn
fucking healer just comes out of no where with the epic roast
wintry ermine
last time I pugged on my warrior I got asked if I was training for 8.1 :/
sand egret
Dude Shamans are sweet and Spriests are a pocket pick for me in KR
dusk locust
i insta-denied a hunter once and he hate whispered me, saying "hunters do not get denied"
sand egret
if a pug whispers me, i will never accept them
dusk locust
same
sand egret
period.
dusk locust
"need big dps?" -- insta decline
sand egret
"HUGE DPS, my main is 1.4k io"
raven pike
anyone know if the 5% from entropic embrace counts toward ignore pain?
lusty grotto
no idea to be honest
steady slate
i was goofing around on the training dummy yesterday, just seeing how many stacks of uber strike i could take before death, and found that if i used 2x bloodcraze a revenge focused talent build i could take a bunch more than with the more typical DC x1 + BfI x2.
hot locust
Yeah that'll be that way in a world with no external healing whatsoever.
steady slate
do you know if the new bastion of might trait is going to be another one-off like DC?
hot locust
In a world where you have any HoT effects or any glancing AoE heals hitting you that becomes extremely less effective though.
I think in M+ you'll run two of it with DC.
Not so much in raid though.
steady slate
that might be what i do then.
i tank in m+ and run arms in raids
i'm not allowed/trusted to tank raids
hot locust
oof 😦
steady slate
on the other hand, hitting things with really big axes has appeal too
yeah
i get the general warriors are crap tanks and we already have tank spots filled so no response. i don't want to cause a disturbance, so if i need to play arms to raid, i'll play arms
i do get a bit of satisfaction when other people complain about DH burst and i'm able to comment that i don't have any problems keeping up with them...
hot locust
I just wish 8.1 was out now so I can have no-gated fun prot back again.
steady slate
i like tanking the m+. lots of nooks and crannies, so lots of opportunities for los pulls. which provides plenty of opportunities to explain to the trigger happy dps what a los pull is...
i'm looking forward to 8.1 as well. when i read the prot changes, i was underwhelmed, but the fine folks over here explained to me why they're actually a big deal'
oblique garnet
Just facetank everything except necrotic sanguine week
steady slate
i like to control my pulls. facetanking leads to wipes
modern brook
yeah but if u wipe that means ur at the top of the dps charts
steady slate
i'm normally running with heals and dps i consider to be substandard, so controlling pulls is really imporant
raven pike
@steady slate whats a big deal?
steady slate
ip off gcd, shorter cooldown on shield block charges,
modern brook
I mean a personal global cooldown is generally called a cooldown.
but yes
its separate from the global
fickle geyser
blocking ranged attacks is huge too
modern brook
^
steady slate
yeah
stark sage
the internal CD is mostly to keep people from fumbling a double press
oblique garnet
Facetanking Isnt the leading cause of wiped
raven pike
blocking ranged has been kinda swept under the rug as far as what people are talking about
oblique garnet
Not interrupting is
modern brook
Both are very big changes imo
steady slate
so... along with substandard dps and healing, guess what else my normal teammates can't do...
modern brook
Changes is probably the wrong word
but they both have big impacts on the specs survivability and general playability
lusty grotto
the sum of all these changes are an overall buff
they might seem "small" on their own to some people
modern brook
I was running a pug once
lusty grotto
but they certainly add up to being pretty big
daring marlin
small to smol brain individuals sure
modern brook
and i asked ppl to plz kick hex or something similar
and I got sorry not a rogue as a response
still dont know to this day if it was sarcasm
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
well you know this whole kick thing comes from arena streams
i guess the correct way would be to say "interrupt"
instead of naming each ability
modern brook
thatsl ike 5 sylables
lusty grotto
or one that usually refers to all
steady slate
in m+, it's more than just kicking, it's knowing WHAT to kick.
lusty grotto
yeah i get that
modern brook
if a shaman thinks im going to say eheheheh plz windshear unstable hex he's fucking nuts
kick the god damn yellow bars 😠
lusty grotto
yeah i understand
but it's not that uncommon for people to not react to the word kick haha
steady slate
every interrupt i have on every toon is called "kick"
you tell me to pummel something and i have to think about wth you mean for a second
modern brook
you mean fist kick?
crystal creek
throat punch
raven pike
kicks pretty iconic interrupt
steady slate
yeah
modern brook
my favorite animation on warrior is still charge -> pummel
fickle geyser
its still stupid that pummel can be blocked by mobs
modern brook
just sprinting shoulder check -> 2nd shoulder check
steady slate
you mean charge -> shield bash?
lusty grotto
Falcon punch!
lusty grotto
windows key + shift + s works wonders
next ermine
For protection? Def better than that 365
lusty grotto
yes its worth dropping haste for it, that's a massive ilvl gain of stam and overall secondaries
If it was around 5 ilvls then you could keep the haste ring
But 30 ilvls is not worth keeping to stack haste, remember our secondaries are close enough in value
balmy narwhal
ok ty very much
sand egret
well to be fair, Warriors do own the generic term "wall" for a large defensive cooldown 😃
so rogues can get their "kick"
full spruce
I always say ‘shield walling’ when using a big defensive on any character.
uneven mason
"going defensive"
crystal creek
Poppin a coolie
uneven mason
OG Tank here
Ah the days when bosses would 1 round you, no matter waht you did...#Gatesofdiscord realm MMO there.
broken kite
oh cool 385 DC shoulders
jagged bay
gz!
broken kite
😄