ima kill that mf
#protection
sand egret
oh man i'm doing a work run today though a +8 FH, should be fun haha
oblique garnet
You can do w/e in freehold and still time it
uneven mason
Freehold is the free upgrade
lusty grotto
the best strat is to skip every boss, go to last boss, then forget you had to do all the other bosses - this is a good strat 10/10
oblique garnet
Had a druid who didnt use treants at all for talents and 2 dh dps so i couldnt really get any help with necrotic resets still 2 chest
oblique garnet
Ye but with treants i couldve kept on dpsing
sand egret
well im running it with my coworkers, and they're not exactly the creme de la creme
lusty grotto
oooh boy
sand egret
we've done a +6 last week
uneven mason
Treants are professional level cheese for necrotics
sand egret
I think this week could be tricky with necrotic and sang
oblique garnet
Its freehold
Depending on what classes you have you can do it ezpz even if they are not creme de la creme
vocal nimbus
i cleared a super messed up FH 16 this week
like, really messed up
doesnt help that the friends i usually play are all melees lol
and a monk healer
5 melee setup bis
vocal nimbus
there are some dungeons which have melee unfriendly spots but you can work around them with some practice
like FH's shark boss
sand egret
well we're all melee
oblique garnet
Have the monk take the sharks?
sand egret
so this should most def be fun haha
plus i'm on my bear and necrotic has been real easy on him thus far
daring marlin
@sand egret Typhooooooooon!
sand egret
so very useful this week
daring marlin
delet this
daring marlin
👀
hollow thorn
Any prot warriors from EU Horde here?
lusty grotto
lots
lusty grotto
but honest to god
you're like the first person this expansion looking for a prot war
so i'll allow it
@oblique garnet you're being summoned
rose relic
Is it true fellow prot bros? Is prot going to be buffed in 8.1?
lusty grotto
wait goddamn you @hollow thorn
hollow thorn
what
lusty grotto
make a goddamn fucking run on NA already
lusty grotto
@rose relic 
rose relic
Hopefully I wont get laughed at for playing prot when 8.1 rolls in
lusty grotto
wtf
why arent you laughing at them by topping meters on aoe?
like the rest of us are
wide pebble
LF 1 Prot warr on EU for HC ghuun Skyhold Meme Run
rose relic
cant laugh at them when theyd rather pick a dh over me
lusty grotto
their loss
modern brook
DH is the worst aspects of all tanks
daring marlin
@rose relic lol who laughs at you?
cuz I get invites to 12s/14s and shit
nobody says shit to me
git gud methinks
rose relic
my friend, but he plays monk so theres that
lusty grotto
is your friend 4 people though
daring marlin
so your friend is a geriatric
rose relic
no, but i find it easier getting into groups as fury or arms
lusty grotto
wait hes a monk so i guess they can Storm, Earth and Fire
if hes... hold on HA HA HA HA HA HAHHHH.... WW
rose relic
no brewmaster
lusty grotto
fuck that little bitch
sorry rage capped i needed to dump
i too wish i could play BFV and watch Netflix at the same time while i tank
not really
uneven mason
if I was at home I'd join you Deattu
sand egret
not gonna lie, i'm having a lot of fun buzzing around on my brew
gives me that legendary 3x Heroic Leap shoulders feel
lusty grotto
.....
sand egret
but seriously if a BrM is laughing at you...I'd just keep linking him the Fetid Log and ask "which one are you again?"
i will say i've started to see my pugs come around as a whole
a lot more "sweet prot!" now
uneven mason
A lot more https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517901074724552705/unknown.png WTF IS THAT REAL
Avatar faded just before the pull finished
otherwise i would've beat that purple bastard
oblique garnet
Huh?
sand egret
had a healer in my pug just 
some dps memeing me about Prot taking a bunch of damage. He was like "uh, Prot takes damage? I brought him in so I can dps"
uneven mason
Protection warriors in groups
sand egret
fucking made my day
sand egret
fucking love avatar pulls
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto Why was i tagged?
lusty grotto
Did I tag the wrong late?
sick sentinel
Mmmmm
oblique garnet
No
sick sentinel
I love it
lusty grotto
There's 3 fucking lates damn it
oblique garnet
For the skyhold run?
lusty grotto
Dunno they said EU and prot
lusty grotto
And casually forgot mac
lusty grotto
W8
uneven mason
?
uneven mason
Turalyon US
lusty grotto
I see
lusty grotto
Oh right
nocturne schooner
You're not boosting, you're doing progression with your fellow wars
uneven mason
Represent 
oblique garnet
Coburn
lusty grotto
what's the twitch handle
cinder nova
Why the hell is an all-warrior group not solo running every orb?
astral crystal
No warlock port I’d guess
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Im talking about impending victory
oblique garnet
Im surprised you guys made that far
sand egret
how's your haste looking outside of rings?
sick sentinel
Personally I'd switch
sand egret
if it's really low, I'd consider keeping it
sick sentinel
^
sand egret
but generally i'd prob swap the 370 for the 385
dull pilot
30%
sick sentinel
I had 375 ring from FH and 370 from KR which both gave close to 290 haste each but I did notice much diff from swapping them both for 2 385s
timber nest
so is gutripper any good for dps as prot? or elemental whirl still better in that regard?
sick sentinel
i used it but proc is low overall i think at least for m+
I'd go rip and tear since I believe whirl is rng when it comes getting the stats
i would go for elemental but maybe for raids it might be good damage since execution is long
But I'm not sure
sand egret
I like whirl over the straight damage proc, personally. The fact that whirl can have multiple buffs up at once is nice when it happens
supple path
Yeah, I don't like gutripper at all in m+. Gets a bit worse even since I'm more likely to be kiting when stuff is low hp than high.
oblique garnet
Kiting only really happens if its necrotic/sanguine weeks
sick sentinel
Bolstering too
sick sentinel
Doing bolster weeks u should not be pulling large anyways as prot warrior
Esp with pugs
Nothing is advised with pugs
Still, I wouldn't recommend it because people tend to not pay attention
keen spire
the only true time to kite is during tyrannical
sand egret
it's all about HL + Taunting that one low mob out of the bunch so it doesn't get killed by mong cleave #pugstrats
keen spire
don't let the boss touch you
sand egret
funny part with bolstering in pugs
they just aoe anyway
unless you got non-elite adds it usually ends well
sick sentinel
Welcome to my life
sick sentinel
The eels?
keen spire
Waycrest can be kind of a bitch with bolstering too
if your dps are stupid
with the witch spawns
daring marlin
which is always
keen spire
lol
sand egret
so, it may seem really silly but honestly it works A LOT for me as a pug-only player....
sand egret
but hotkeying skull
ember arrow
we did it
sick sentinel
you could have cut the sentence at bitch and we would know
ember arrow
we convinced them
sand egret
just slapping a skull on a target....legit works
keen spire
idk I like WM otherwise
sick sentinel
Yeah I've been doing that recently
sand egret
I should write a Pugger's Guide to the Galaxy
sick sentinel
Hotkeyed skull marker, seeing infested adds dying much faster
gusty wave
please do Pugger's life is rough
sick sentinel
Fuck a guide, I could write a series
sand egret
honestly Pugging is as much an exercise in game skill as it is in social skills haha
sick sentinel
For each dungeon with a chapter dedicated just to 1 affix
sand egret
for instance, say "hi" to each person you join
gusty wave
honestly had to give up dreams, of being a good M+ tank cause im good, but my pugs are bad!
sand egret
it seems small, but you can tell a lot about how they respond
daring marlin
@ember arrow bruh
sand egret
haha Bog, I exclusively Pug and I'm #4 for prot on my server
daring marlin
bdks rerolling here we go
sand egret
you can do it!
daring marlin
kidding
gusty wave
luck you i was #54
sick sentinel
I'm #1/#10 on my server
ember arrow
who said anything about bdk guilford
sand egret
my server isn't super intense haha but it's doable
sick sentinel
It isn't hard but pugging is more challenging because it's random but more fun to do
daring marlin
You should see people crying on forums
sand egret
yeah, it's a slot machine of personalities
gusty wave
Wait what have a missed did DK get the nerfhammer hard?
sand egret
annnd here we go
pliant sage
The forums are always a crapshow
sick sentinel
So what ur saying @daring marlin the baby players who play fotm are crying about a nothing Nerf
daring marlin
@sick sentinel yes
sick sentinel
Wait ur a feral main too @sand egret
sand egret
I'll always love my druid
wintry ermine
he's a boomkin but actually does more single target burst and cleave as feral
sick sentinel
So what ur saying is feral is g.o.a.t
I love my warrior but I will die on the hill of feral and cursing at the top of my lungs fuck boomy
daring marlin
boomkin is so much cooler than dollar store rogue
sick sentinel
If I had a nickel for everytime I've had to see that I'd be rich, and even richer if I still pvped
urban walrus
Hi guys, having a bit of a problem, with tank healing in raid in general, what are your thoughts on who should be focused on tank healing and who shouldn't - should I be prioritising smoothing damage over all things?
lusty grotto
could you be more specific?
ember arrow
or are u the tank
urban walrus
i am the tank
lusty grotto
ok so you're asking who should be tank healing as in what classes?
urban walrus
yeah and is this a common problem
lusty grotto
it's not
urban walrus
we are an 8/8M guild and I feel I just bleed out for no reason
lusty grotto
which fights, do you have logs?
lusty grotto
no, that's not the right question here. You should always be mitigating damage
urban walrus
mitigating vs smoothing though?
ember arrow
?
lusty grotto
.... you don't do one or the other
ember arrow
metigating=smoothing
urban walrus
I mean there arent too many examples of me getting no healing fo an extended length, but I just dip for no reason
placid mango
urban walrus
Should the MW be sitting on me
lusty grotto
let's go back, this probably isn't a healing problem
why is your demo shout uptime so low?
you seem to be doing well enough by SB
i'm specifically looking at the mythrax kill
steel mauve
a couple of spots where it wasnt cast for 40 seconds
lusty grotto
hmm
daring marlin
have to victory rush
lusty grotto
he did block 70% on average
daring marlin
LUL
lusty grotto
but yes there's small corrections
sick sentinel
What's the IP cast/uptime
lusty grotto
41%
steel mauve
39 casts
lusty grotto
you are revenging a more but let's see
ember arrow
idk if its worth the effort, is he still here? 🤔
sick sentinel
What about LS/SW?
lusty grotto
you did 5 last stands on the entire fight?
urban walrus
Hmm, you seem to have missed the point
steel mauve
asking if its normal to dip, or saying you are bleeding out then saying some one missed the point by critiquing how you use the warriors toolkit
lusty grotto
well it pays to be more specific, if you catch my drift. that's a pretty general statement
ember arrow
u gotta look at youreself
then at healers
what @lusty grotto is doing is analyzing what might be the problem
urban walrus
It was a generalised how do u guys deal with being healed, is it always a non issue - are the assignments
ember arrow
i never had healers assigned specifically
thats not how healing works in wow as far as im aware
to specific tank
steel mauve
althought it is is to see the resto shammy have so high of healing on the tank, almost every log i have of myself or the ones i check to compare my performance is suualy mw or pally
ember arrow
since theres always some dmg to the whole raid
lusty grotto
ok so you are defaulting to that it's a healing problem? am i wrong here?
sand egret
I think his question is, as a prot warrior is there /if so what is the preferred healer for Prot raid tankin?
lusty grotto
it's safe to say we can't answer that here
broken kite
i like mw
lusty grotto
i mean i could give my 5 cents as a hpal alt
sick sentinel
It's based on personal preference
lusty grotto
and flat out say HPAL
signal plover
If u have a hpal he should beacon the tanks in 99% of situations and some fights do have dmg profiles where a healer with an assigned priority on tanks helps a bit, but that shouldn't change the priority of how you deal with incoming dmg @urban walrus
sand egret
well we can speak to our relative damage profiles but its pretty encounter specific
sand egret
i dont think this really changes how the warrior is playing other than just do what we normally do, if that was another part of the question
lusty grotto
well he did ask about damage smoothing
urban walrus
Well I sometimes get the feeling I taunt and then the healers fall asleep, untill my hp bat goes below a threshold, maybe they are just bad?
lusty grotto
it could be
urban walrus
I have tried announcing in voice, but sometimes coms are needed too
ember arrow
u are 8/8 guild?
sand egret
yeah, i mean that does sound like reaction time
ember arrow
healers dont know when taunts come?
urban walrus
can't have comms filled with "taunting" "taunting" "taunting" "taunting"
ember arrow
are healers actual monkeys
lusty grotto
i don't have a lot of exp when it comes to looking at healing log-wise but is there a specific attempt we could look at?
sand egret
doesnt like DBM say stacks
urban walrus
like there are certain attempts that I obviously dont get healing for no reason
pale vigil
DBM with VEM announces everything
urban walrus
but I was wondering how much is it ever a reason
sand egret
an extremely important part of healing and raid healing is anticipating expected spikes in damage
urban walrus
/ a problem
outer dew
i mean
sand egret
if they arent seeing that swap and prehotting or what not...
outer dew
what level are you raiding in?
lusty grotto
it's M
steel mauve
taking 3 melee hits with out shield block up will do it
ionic berry
What % secondary stat numbers are good to aim for this tier?
outer dew
between a 2/8M vs 5/8M vs 6/8M
lusty grotto
it doesn't matter @ionic berry
sand egret
prot doesnt exactly “react” to after we take a bunch of damage like other tanks
outer dew
well actually
should be 4/8M
2/8M vs 4/8M vs 6/8M atm
since there's skill roadblocks
urban walrus
its a fairly new guild we are 8/8 2 days a week
steel mauve
hes 8/8m looking at a mythrax kill
urban walrus
568 world
outer dew
i mean
lusty grotto
wew iron
urban walrus
I mean its not too common but it happens enough to be annoying
lusty grotto
we could find out
outer dew
i mean, there's two ways to see it
lusty grotto
but we would have to look at all attempts
steel mauve
but it didnt take me very long to find 1 instance of 3 melees in row not being blocked, and used shield block before that section of tnaking so one charge down with out being able to come back up
sand egret
yep, if you’re noticing at particular moments (swaps, add pick ups, tank busters) they’re not reacting then yeah....
urban walrus
maybe they expect every melee to be a SB up
outer dew
lol
lusty grotto
i mean it should have SB up
sick sentinel
I used to say "Wipe it, I'm dead"
sand egret
“RIP me “ = 3 externals
signal plover
As a prot warr at that level you should never be surprised by incoming dmg unless something went wrong somewhere else in the fight.
daring marlin
lol INR you crack me up
neon tangle
My favorite is a million externals after the combo on zek
steel mauve
well the only real time its a danger to not be able to keep shield block up is to use shield block, then taunt after its down then use shield block again so one charge is literally wastewd not blockiing any thing like in this mythrax kill
sick sentinel
A lot of healers get tunnel vision when healing and sometimes u need a good foot up the ass to wake then up
sick sentinel
I don't call for anything because I'm not their mom nor the healer
urban walrus
And again, it was a more generalised question about healing comp/assigments ,have you ever had problems randomly not being healed e.t.c
steel mauve
ive yelled at healers because they will use an external on me, at full hp, AFTER, my co tank taunts
sand egret
healing predictable damage is what makes a baseline raid healer. knowing how to handle unpredictable damage is what makes a good raid healer.
lusty grotto
wonder why he is using flash instead of holy
sand egret
panic
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
with all his holy shock casts, and with crit RA he should be doing Holy all over
sick sentinel
Don't u love Ironbark wall
lusty grotto
you should go to Hammer of Wrath and check if that hpal is doing well @urban walrus , i could be wrong here
urban walrus
Yeah, the hpala is kinda new to the fights too
lusty grotto
i don't really raid with my hpal, only M+
urban walrus
dont expect godlike play
lusty grotto
well that could be why
sand egret
@urban walrus when I feel massive gaps in healing its usually because the healer cant spin plates
sand egret
our damage is naturally smooth
ember arrow
@lusty grotto no, if you do mythic raiding, i expect competence
or is that too much to ask
sand egret
it just...doesnt go back up
neon tangle
It's definitely too much to ask
lusty grotto
but honest to god we can't really read hpal logs here haha
outer dew
i mean
lusty grotto
so i could be seriously wrong
outer dew
if a healer is new to the fight or hasn't had time to adapt to your healing comp
it gets kind of wack
supple path
There are a whole slew of angry "mythic raid guilds" out there who honestly aren't "mythic raiders" but can do a couple fights in the raid and then spend all of their time yelling at their own members.
lusty grotto
holy light heals for more, is better wht the Holy Shock proc
but like i said
this is skyhold so i can't really say
i could be flat out wrong
traditionally hpals are the tank healers
which is why he is beacon of faith
as he should be
supple path
It's sort of odd atm, because holy paladins are great at healing tanks with beacon, and then the absolutely worst choice in your raid for healing them beyond the beacon
ivory barn
which one? greater vers no socket +5 ilvl's or greater haste + Socket
lusty grotto
socket
urban walrus
Well, I thank you for your attempt in 'helping' , not to be rude I get the feeling that some of you have just enough knowledge to be detrimental when giving advise, - again maybe I'm wrong - thanks for the back and forward tho
ivory barn
thanks Nimchip
lusty grotto
you're right, that was flat out rude
next time analyze your own logs or if youre so convinced its a healing issue maybe go to the appropiate healing discord servers
supple path
Man, good question. I've just been dealing with it.
astral crystal
use something like elvui and replace blizz default raid frames
sick sentinel
I think in blizzs default UI u can hide buffs
i've got z-perl
Is that the same as xperl? I know about x then z
sick sentinel
There should be a raid tab in "z" perl where u can modify the buff icons to not display
Well, that person is dumb then @vocal nimbus
lusty grotto
have you tried this?
@sick sentinel
if you don't have that option, install the AdvancedInterfaceOptions addon
sick sentinel
Isn't display border for the frames and not the bar with the arrow?
dapper sky
"I get the feeling some of you have just enough knowledge to be detrimental when giving advice"
Never heard a more true statement.
lusty grotto
yea a true statement from someone asking about healing on a warrior discord
makes sense
dapper sky
He may be misguided but the statement is gold. At least it made me audibly chuckle
lusty grotto
it's like asking about stock trading advice to a fucking bum
worthy dagger
what if the bum knows about stock trading
lusty grotto
well it could happen
supple path
What if the bum appears to only know enough about stock trading to be dangerous and tells him to buy low, and sell high, then directs him to buy all of the https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/low stock he can.
lusty grotto
i mean i do have an hpal so technically i'm kind of the example
(also a Robinhood user)
sick sentinel
it's borken lol
lusty grotto
should only show up if you have assist/mt/raidlead
sand egret
where can I find this bum
daring marlin
island expos are fun and innovative
astral crystal
:^)
worthy dagger
i already know whats gonna happen at 8.1, people are gonna come back, try it for a week and vanish.
after the raid gets released people are gonna come back again, stay for 2 weeks and vanish
primal crypt
The time people spend playing at a time is getting shorter and shorter
worthy dagger
well we are too old for this shit anyway
primal crypt
basically lol
mobile games
that's where it's at
get on for 10 min
get off
gg
burnt bluff
zinc mauve
more of my friends are looking forward to smash rather than 8.1
daring marlin
nice dude
primal crypt
Smash and PoE
primal crypt
is going to decimate 8.1
sand egret
and?
zinc mauve
i mean ill play both either way
sand egret
you make it sound like if WoW isn't hte #1 shit crack than its a failure
it's totally fine to want to play other shit
lol
primal crypt
I'm just trying to play diablo immortal
sand egret
me too
zinc mauve
Kappa
sand egret
game looks sick
junior ivy
yes i live!
sand egret
i'll play that shit outta that commuting to wok
junior ivy
i was talking the other day too
sand egret
work*
junior ivy
lol ig ot a 40 min commute i wish i could d othat
primal crypt
meh
whatever floats the boat
just dont be that guy that gets caught watching netflix
primal crypt
I went to court the other day for a dead inspection sticker
some dude was there for watching netflix
the judge threw the book at him
daring marlin
LOL
primal crypt
The fine was so massive
I can't remember what it was, but I think it was over 1k
Not 100%
but that's what I remember
it was something high
soft kindle
Relatively
chilly brook
Absolutely
I'm finishing my schoolwork for the semester
I wanna die
But this Viking themed music is A1
sick sentinel
I wope up at 8 in the evening so I am going for an all nighter with not a bunch of stuff to do
lusty grotto
nvm was gonna ask for one but it looks like we need a heals
lusty grotto
tried 11 FH with pug druid. Didn't know how to skip. Fuck it ALT+F4
how do you not know how to do this shit with a stealth class
thorn yarrow
warrior skip?? 
more like 👢 🍵 👏
sick sentinel
Seems you didnt ask me or blade to teach u pug 101
Never use ur consumeables at the start
depending on the dungeon wait till the 1st boss is dead
sometimes the 1st pull(Kings rest/Underrot)
fair brook
^underrot, TD
sick sentinel
I refuse to pop runes/flask at the start, i use the legion flask
fair brook
Also, after careful risk/reward analysis, I don't pug 7+
fair brook
Sure, not worth the rewards, for my risk, personally. I play for fun, not IO competition
sick sentinel
For me the fun comes from the risk but also .io
its why im extremely adamant about doing M+ pug only and dislike using discord
primal crypt
io is the only reason now
sick sentinel
.io is a new reason but not the first for me
primal crypt
without io...you run into some god awful people lol
sick sentinel
i do M+ just because of the fact it was time based
The pressure to beat something on time, trying to get 2 chest because +3 on anything above a certain level is a wet dream
sick sentinel
Im stuck in hell rn
These past few weeks i have not gotten into any key upgrade groups
oblique garnet
Im telling you man pugging keys if youj want to push you have to do it at late in the night
like now its almost 6 am
we havent depleted one key
sick sentinel
Problem is, nobody is taking me
lusty grotto
its a 50/50 gamble pugging
sick sentinel
because 90% of my keys for 13 were from free week
lusty grotto
goddamn i hate it
soft kindle
I don't pug past 9, because I only pug on alts 4-5 and I cba dealing with infested
lusty grotto
i'd rather deal with the downs of my friends
sick sentinel
i still need to do shrine/kr/ur at 13 and I only have 1 14 key done and that was for WM
i dont like premades, esp if its friends(which is great for me) or guildies
because i tend to find people slack off too much
supple path
God, was pugging a +12 TD yesterday and the rogue and DH got into an angry fight that resulted in us 4 manning the last two bosses. Missed timer by like 3 minutes. Puglife is rough.
lusty grotto
id rather they slack a little than to completely fuck up
supple path
People just feel really entitled to be absolute asshats in WoW these days.
sick sentinel
slacking off might as well be fucking up in my eyes
fair brook
Ya, I'm good with my 10's across the board. Its the same ilvl loot and I'd rather just be relaxed. I also don't pvp, so I guess I don't really like any pressured gaming. To each their own though, that's why its a good system.
sick sentinel
No you must do hard content val, you have no option, choice or say in the matter. its either work or no wow
soft kindle
Hi, my name is Meth, and I'm an asshat in WoW
supple path
Do you like to AFK during fights to type to strangers about how they're not handling the fight mechanics properly, while never actually mentioning what those mechanics are, and then die in a fire yourself?
soft kindle
Minus the last part, yeah
supple path
The last part's the most important part, though.
soft kindle
Shit talking is only fun when you can get away with it
supple path
Doing the thing you yourself are complaining about is basically the WoW-asshat badge of pride.
soft kindle
if you muck up yourself it's just idle reee
fair brook
@sick sentinel drinks more stout Yeah, well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
sick sentinel
You're the tank, and you are guiding a group of goldfish windowlickers
lusty grotto
to be fair not all dps are retards
supple path
I always liked the herding cats metaphor, because man, cats resent the hell out of being herded even if you do it correctly.
lusty grotto
it's a 50/50 gamble like i said
sick sentinel
Lets be real, 90% of dps have a dps meter and are more focused on being #1 on trash then they are worrying about not taking damage
supple path
I think I'm going to start having a brief conversation with every pug before I invite them.
Just a casual exchange to see if they're capable of acting human for even one sentence.
lusty grotto
i mean i told this druid "we are skipping x part" and he said ok
how in the fuck does he manage to agro shit while stealth is beyond me
but i didn't tell him anything i just ALT+F4
fuck it i'm too tired for that shit
sick sentinel
Welcome to my experience with WM/TD yesterday
lusty grotto
and then he somehow, somehow vortexes shit into sanguine
i forgot to mention that part
i was like... nah it's fine im ok
fair brook
Better than altF4, you should get the Dal port ring. Shit goes south, just /wave and port out.
supple path
Sanguine week really rams home the failure.
sick sentinel
And the worst part, its stacked with the worst affixs
supple path
The amount of rogues I've seen go from "I'm THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! OF ALL TIME!" to six-second kidney shotting a mob in a sanguine pool 3 seconds later is...higher than 2.
supple path
It's a fail-check week.
sick sentinel
Sanguine/griev and Sang/necro
supple path
So it highlights a lot of fail behavior.
lusty grotto
oof that ks on sanguine
sick sentinel
The day I call a week with sang "Easy" is the day I can +2 a KR above +14
supple path
Or the day you have death grip heyoo
fair brook
Call me when its Tyrannical/Teeming/Quaking again
supple path
Next week seems like it'll be solid at least. I love skittish.
Cause man it just does ZERO to prot warriors.
supple path
that's what his defensive CD is for
Like how arms has die by the sword for when you absolutely have to warbreaker/bladestorm on inc
lusty grotto
that's what his repair bill is for
sick sentinel
^ thats the goat
supple path
I mean honestly, if you do it right, it's effectively utility, treant style - tank should generally be able to pull back before the defensive fades. In reality though, haha yeah of course they just die.
sick sentinel
Just be careful with AD
Hope you like aoe in a dungeon built with adds that just fuck ur shit up
fucking saroks
lusty grotto
i mean heals i know... not that they were online today because fuck them that's why, can usually take 8 stacks easy
sick sentinel
i could hit more than 0
sick sentinel
You know what makes sense, stacking so me and literally 95% of the classes can aoe chain stun
Id get it, if it was sang, but fuck all christ
the damage doesnt stop because ur farther away
God fuck AD during sang weeks, people not stacking or my druids vortex ON POOLS
I will say this though, I did a KR awhile ago. All ranged. Didn't get timer but was extremely ez imo
fierce juniper
For anyone that uses my Ignore Pain Tracker, I just updated it.
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astral crystal
Nice
manic perch
Thanks @fierce juniper
open bluff
sick sentinel
I got 380 legs with socket from warfront
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto PogChamp i actually got my obs working properly so i could start streaming some shit tier m+
pale vigil
So do you think with the 8.1 changes coming prot will be more viable? I love prot but just feel so squishy with how things are right now
oblique garnet
Its viable now it will be even better on 8.1
pale vigil
Hrmm. Compared to monks and dks it has just felt like prot warrior doesnt compare.
outer dew
My trial spot for a guild 8/8m is because I'm a prot warrir
Because the GM believes that Prot will be desired next tier for raid
If that makes you feel any better
pale vigil
It does
I play lock and prot warrior. I raid lead so normally on my lock but might consider recruiting a prot warrior and giving them a try.
sand egret
just hope they know what they're doing
good prot is good. bad prot is a repair billl.
and I don't mean that to be a annoying, it's just way more punishing.
pale vigil
Yeah that is my concern especially working on Fetid
Have to be VERY proactive on defensives
sand egret
so your recruitment will be the most effecitve tool in this fight 😃
outer dew
I mean
Heavy Repercussions meme
Actually doesn't feel too bad memeing with it in heroic
Can see why it's good
sand egret
block is block at the end of the day
pale vigil
We use a prot pally for thrashes
Works well
I gotta recruit a new tank though because our other tank rage gquit because we told him to level his neck more and he didnt want to
sand egret
30 liiife
outer dew
Haven't done any farming
pale vigil
lol he refused to go above 25
outer dew
Oh
sand egret
i barely play my alt and its 27...
outer dew
And he's mythic raiding?
pale vigil
Yeah...
sand egret
does he even play lol
outer dew
My alt is 29
pale vigil
Yeah he swapped to monk from blood dk with us and didnt do anything
sand egret
womp
pale vigil
blood dk and prot pally just wasnt a good team imo
sand egret
with the catchup mechanics, it's perty easy
outer dew
I mean
pale vigil
monk pally seemed a lot better
sand egret
blood for thrash prot for mt right?
outer dew
What would be the issue?
pale vigil
He swapped before we started working on mythic
outer dew
Like I said, what do you think would of been the issue?
Seems fine to me to have that as a tank comp
outer dew
What fight needed extreme mobility?
outer dew
Trialing tomorrow (:
pale vigil
Zul and Ghuun were two fights he was struggling with
oblique garnet
Smh alliance grasping at straws trying to getp layers 😉
outer dew
Lmao
oblique garnet
Jk jk congratz buddy
outer dew
Ty BBY
pale vigil
Maybe he was just a bad blood dk
oblique garnet
😘
outer dew
Why would he struggle on those fights?
I don't see it
But yea late bby
There's this 1800 io Boomie in guild
My ass is coming for you
oblique garnet
oh no
outer dew
Gonna wink at him
And hope he brings me to a couple keys
((:
But yea, don't really see where your have an issue as a bdk for those fights
Ghuun just trucks normally
And zul trucks hard p2
tight tree
Neither ghuun or zul really require mobility? It is always nice to have of course 😉
My best mobility is transcendence, resetting bosses is pure gold
And taunted bosses move faster if monk, that is neat too, for repositioning
Still i dont see why some guilds think that warrior will be good. I get that some bosses are heavy physical? But that is the case in Uldir too. BrM still will win on those, so far i think, just as it wins now.
onyx vessel
Spec only truely matters when pushing content at low ilvl all about skill tbh
fickle geyser
doesnt really matter. just play what looks best for ur own eye imo
onyx vessel
My prot warrior is a maghar orc
outer dew
But all the m+ mechanics I can cheese
fickle geyser
i was nelf for most of legion. shadowmeld is really nice to have
onyx vessel
Share i tbed
mild maple
Is Shadowmeld just used for trash skips in M+?
onyx vessel
Prob
fickle geyser
u can cheese some boss stuff with it
onyx vessel
Seems mildly op
mild maple
Nelf is the new Belf for high level M+ pushing I guess
outer dew
Use for trash skips, drops necrotic, will help you avoid some damage by interrupting the cast of some abilities, etc
NE is fairly strong ATM for alliance
fickle geyser
go for it, seems like u want to
manic perch
does it drop necrotic just like that no need to wait for timer?
fickle geyser
ya
manic perch
damn son feel silly i maked my warrior a dark iron dwarf LOL
fickle geyser
doesnt work in boss combat tho
mild maple
Dark Iron is probably one of the best for popping off DPS
manic perch
yeah that strength buff is pretty good
i must admit thou i am hating the dwarf a bit, there are just no transmogs that looks any good on it......
amber siren
imagine not going gnome
fickle geyser
gnome just makes u want to slit ur wrists
racials are nice tho, just hard to enjoy them when it looks so bad
mild maple
the correct way to play a gnome warrior is to reroll horde and go goblin
fierce urchin
so just after backreading for a bit. im seeing alot of ppl saying the hype for a prot comback isnt totally the case? i havent been paying attention to prot much. Been maining BDK all thru mythic fine. but want something fresh for Battle CE push. so figured id see how yal r doing.
manic perch
hahaha gnome with 2 Armageddon makes any transmog look SICK!!!
fickle geyser
i think BrM will still be king, prot will be better than its now
not to say prot is bad atm by any means
fierce urchin
i mained brm for 3 xpacs. im just bored of it. and i have a blast with BDK in M+ im just getting bored of it in raid.
ive always enjoyed ProtWar but i also dont want to gimp our CE prog week one
if its really that weak that is
our healers r exceptional so im never worried there
tacit smelt
Anyone knows when the current pvp season is gonna end?
fierce urchin
jan 22nd
tacit smelt
ty ty
fickle geyser
prot is not weak. it will propably be better than ur dk in raids, worse in m+
manic perch
Drazy all the top guilds are leveling and gearing Prot for incase, so they seem to think its good...
fierce urchin
yeh im gearing my prot just incase
i always have everything geared cus u never know where the meta is gonna go
manic perch
if you plan to make top 100 mythic maybe then BRM or DK will be better but anything below that.. Meh
fierce urchin
i just like checking discords cus sometimes people have more to say than what is conveyed in ptr forums and youtube etc
manic perch
true
i think we will be a little tankier, but as it is now if you go for pure mitigation you need almost the least healing....
fierce urchin
prot war is really fun. so i hope the speculation is legit
fickle geyser
prot also brings battleshout rally and really good damage
manic perch
i'm no expert but i do watch my logs and compare with others and im not a mythic raider but ive seen the numbers, they are really strong now even just brm and dk allows more fuckups from you as player and even your healers...
fierce urchin
ive progressed thru most of mythic with no issues on my BDK
and i do love BDK. but i just want some variety.. everyone and their mother is a BRM or a BDK
manic perch
lol true
soft kindle
@outer dew who are you
manic perch
ive got a 370 dk, and my guildies have hinted me to play it, but in all honesty i enjoy prot more, i also prefer pro-active mitigation vs re-active was thinking of tryin monk but not sure
paper flower
most of the top guild are gearing prot warriors in case they turn out to be better
fierce urchin
BRM and Prot war are alot more similar than people recognize
fickle geyser
most tanks are
outer dew
@soft kindle is the only way for your to recognize me is to switch back to Tofu qq
manic perch
and i refuse to play paladin will never fucking have that char on any realm on any region or in this lifetime 😛
mild maple
I don't think prot and BrM are that similar, BrM can actively ignore their one mitigation mechanic and still be tanky enough for most fights
zinc creek
Curious as to why people think prot will be top tier tank in upcoming patch 8.1 / 8.1.5
oblique garnet
ranged block and qol changes
zinc creek
But I don't think that would make them top tier or am I wrong
mild maple
Probably not BrM tier for hardcore mythic prog, but much more competitive with the other tanks compared to their spot in Uldir
tight tree
More comfortable to play for sure, little less clunky for sure, way stronger than now? Probably not. Numeric buffs are too small, no one will notice the difference.
Nothiing will move BrM from top prog i think, boring or not (it is boring).
outer dew
@soft kindle notlikethis. You know who I am qq
sick sentinel
I member when stagger was just a secondary mechanic to make dodge less rng
mild maple
BrM was much more fun when stagger, expel harm and guard all were core parts of their mitigation
It's so brainless and boring now
manic perch
yeah gonna miss that on heavy magic damage fights
manic perch
ive been unlucky with that gear only had 2 340 pieces at start none so far
soft kindle
@zinc creek because right now on live, prot mitigates more physical damage than any other tank
in 8.1, they'll mitigate more
tight tree
only when block is up, during the gaps warrior spike a lot, unless you use wall
i had an issue with that, i want CDs to be CDs, not filler for mitigation
I feel that in current state of raids, tanks should have 100% uptime on active mitigation, otherwise they are prone to be oneshot in Mythic. As boring as it is, BrM and Blood is failsafe with their uptime, and i feel uncomfortable as hell on warrior and DH for example.
But maybe tanks need to work more to get their mitigation last, not just press a button, but build resource and manage it.
tight tree
Ironskin and marrowrend should be hard to have 100% uptime for, harder than now, thats what i mean
soft kindle
And the cd is being reduced.
I mean
the strength of dk isn't it's mitigation
it's the utility it brings and the ability to heal rapidly. Not the overall healing
but the 20%-100% in no time
Monks power comes from it's ability to play incorrectly and not suffer performance
as well as it's decent self healing and kiting ability
tight tree
As i said, i want CDs to be CDs, i disagree with model of using last stand just to fill gap in block. Last stand should be for big tankbuster hits.
Therefore i am not playing warrior right now
Monk power is in surviving huge spikes and not dying in prog.
Not because it is easy (it is), but because stagger is so powerful as smoothing mechanic
mild maple
Pretty sure Guardian can easily have 100% uptime on Iron Fur
tight tree
That too
it just feels safe and i can concentrate on positioning/mechanics/etc
Guardian is clunky af tho after they put regen on GCD
Instantly feeling 2x worse, blizzard are fools to make this change
Dropped bear because of that, was maining it at the end of legion for progression
autumn cosmos
Do you guys have any recommendations for horde races for Prot Warriors?
Transferring to Horde and can't really make up my mind
I like the look of all of them except Goblin so I'm kinda looking at whats good
tight tree
Roughly the same. If you really minmaxing, i think HM Tauren is good.
If you PvP at the side, go Orc.
But really just play what you like the looks of
autumn cosmos
Female belf is #1 in my books but I feel like I won't need purge in M+ since 2-3 will be belfs already
I hate picking races and stuff D:
ember arrow
If u want looks u shouldnt go horde
autumn cosmos
More diverse for sure, tho.
Ally is a lot of the same.
Kinda meh at this point 😄
autumn cosmos
I disagree 😄
autumn cosmos
Draenei?
oblique garnet
Go belf
tight tree
ugly af
autumn cosmos
They're like, my least favorite race 😄
oblique garnet
Extra purge never hurt anyone
mild maple
just be australian, ally raiding for days
tight tree
Female orks = best, thicc in all the right places ;D
oblique garnet
If you want to tank m+ etc and play horde belf is so good with amount of things you can purge this expansion
lavish oracle
Too bad its getting nerfed again
outer dew
@oblique garnet ping nimchimp for me
Can't ping him
He had an admirer
Them female orks
oblique garnet
No
soft kindle
@lusty grotto
oblique garnet
Oh damn tofu youre getting the reset today right?
oblique garnet
22 hours
outer dew
Should sleep soon, wake up for reset and go hard
zinc mauve
i come back to this channel and someone said female blood elves are god tier wtf
srry i prefer my void elves or night elves
soft kindle
and not clearing mythic
young marlin
Does anyone know of a WA to track Necrotic stacks on you?
oblique garnet
You can set up elvui to show those
worthy dagger
we all know that boralus female chicks will be the new prots
crisp hearth
Being the 27th prot war killing mythic ghuun is great and weird at the same time!
That a very low amount of representation :-D
coral valve
Because at the start of the exp prot was one of the worst tanks for progress. Now that its kinda buffed its diffrent story but people are still not playing this spec
But i guess after all those uldir nerfs prot warriors numbers are going to increse, cause its prob most used tank by casuals, at least imo.
junior igloo
Sure, overall:
ionic fern
Was expecting a lot more monks tbh
junior igloo
G'huun:
tacit smelt
wait is 8.1 actually tomorrow?
coral valve
Oh boy prot warrior is not even popular among casuals. Sad times
woeful mist
How does prot look in the next patch?
soft kindle
Strong
marble cipher
I don't have a massive grasp on prot yet, but the fact that IP comes off GCD and ranged attacks can now be blocked as well, leads me to believe it's getting well needed changes.
(and probably other changes that I don't even know of yet, only recently picked up my prot again)
crisp hearth
Thing is
Prot is strong in the patch
At least I felt sooo useful on ghuun
Good mobility
Good against aa
Can reflect shit in p1 for positioning
And insane for cleaving ghuun brood
junior igloo
On what other classes have you done the boss?