protection

[primal crypt]

We DM

[lusty grotto]

im getting ready for smash this friday

[soft kindle]

You laugh but I was legitimately asked that once

[primal crypt]

Like a gf smash?

Or the game

[lusty grotto]

yes a gf smash

with my switch

[primal crypt]

Waste of time

Girls dont play games

[lusty grotto]

you're right

[soft kindle]

Literally all girls do is play games

[lusty grotto]

i'm sorry i lied

[primal crypt]

It's ok

I forgive you

@soft kindle lel

[chilly brook]

I don’t get trolled

[lusty grotto]

lol

[primal crypt]

I actually laughed out loud

[chilly brook]

Idk what you’re talking about

:kappa

[lusty grotto]

reverse trolling!

[primal crypt]

@soft kindle it's so true

[soft kindle]

Hit him till he dies

wait bfa already did that

Fs for Griff

[lusty grotto]

F

[primal crypt]

F

[chilly brook]

😵

Nim you gotta let me know how smash is, I’m still deciding on if I want it or not

[lusty grotto]

will do

[chilly brook]

I also kinda wanna get x4

[soft kindle]

Not as good as 8.1 prot

[chilly brook]

Oof

[soft kindle]

rofl

[chilly brook]

Not as cheap either

🙃

[soft kindle]

I've been doing a lot of testing on ptr

nothing else to do but push keys and test stuff

and prot's legit fun

[lusty grotto]

have you done the seasonal yet?

[primal crypt]

How's the shield block feel

Big diff?

With your haste

[soft kindle]

Noticeable

[primal crypt]

Noce

[chilly brook]

I could only imagine it’d feel even more fun as I find it fun to begin with

[soft kindle]

Actually want to setup a pure haste build

[lusty grotto]

i'm just interested on the affix thing

[soft kindle]

416 from the vendor

and see how low I can get the recharge

[chilly brook]

Although.....with my last trial before I decided to take a break....I wasn’t having fun at all

[lusty grotto]

content becoming stale does contribute to that

[chilly brook]

Take thrash, down to 70% don’t get topped off in the next 6 seconds, take another thrash down to 50% don’t get topped off, down to 30% don’t get topped off etc.

I was like yo

I’m not a DK

Throw me some heals

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[chilly brook]

Yea let’s just say I died way more that night than I want to admit

[lusty grotto]

reminds me to stock up on health pots lol

[soft kindle]

There's nights when you play like shite

and there's nights where you get thrown under the bus because other's don't want to admit they did

[lusty grotto]

i gottta be honest i had some legit fun this week on my hpal, scored a pug group that knew exactly what to do, even if they had average RIOs

didn't do our last run on a 10 KR but still bnet added them

[chilly brook]

Yea

Like I needed 12k EHRPS

Like that’s not much

[lusty grotto]

did you ask who the fuck were they healing lol

[chilly brook]

But apparently that was too much to ask for

Who knows

But uhhhh

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

[gaunt dawn]

4 healing still 😦

[soft kindle]

wait you had a bdk and you were thrash tanking

the fuck guld were you apping to

world 1000?

[chilly brook]

Well I started out as MT tbh

For fetid

[gaunt dawn]

Imagine being able to lower ehrps significantly overall

But opting not to

[chilly brook]

But literal first time doing Fetid on Mythic and as MT cuz I was always slapped with OT for fetid prior to this so I was actually an idiot when it came to positioning the boss correctly after he runs off

¯_(ツ)_/¯

TBH I wasn’t playing well that night to begin with

[lusty grotto]

it happens when you're bored lol

[soft kindle]

thrash tanking, should've run HR

😛

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[chilly brook]

Oof

[soft kindle]

Seriously

[lusty grotto]

sounds like he needed IV way more

[chilly brook]

Nah I probably needed ravager tbh

[lusty grotto]

of course

always

[soft kindle]

Darkee made a build for thrash tanking that only needs 5k erhps

[urban walrus]

Ughh I had the exact same problem on fetid prgression, like 10k ehrps and I'm not getting topped by healers

[soft kindle]

curious to try it myself if I can be allowed to tank on reclear because it looks like fun

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea who darkee is

tbh

[soft kindle]

big m+ dude

[primal crypt]

Small m+ dude

[lusty grotto]

is he like asmongold

[primal crypt]

Not even close

[lusty grotto]

lol

i'm fucking around

but seriously no idea who darkee is

[primal crypt]

IM NOT 😡

[lusty grotto]

if he went HR

[primal crypt]

Hes a dps

Pretty good dps

[chilly brook]

Lmao did anyone watch Asmon’s stream yesterday?

[lusty grotto]

listen, if he went HR it makes sense that fucking prot war went HR for whatever fucking reason

the one i blasted here

[soft kindle]

Different

the prot war that suggested it that was being an ass

well, any of the three I've seen

[lusty grotto]

lol

[soft kindle]

were suggesting only changing to HR and nothing else

and it doesn't work

[modern brook]

asmongold triggers me

I know thats his thing

[chilly brook]

I have no comment on anyone suggesting HR builds

[modern brook]

but it triggers me 😠

[chilly brook]

He was playing Dark Souls yesterday

[lusty grotto]

nah it was a dude that was bitching on an LFR, i checked his talents and he's devastator/HR so i called him out and he went "look at top RIO prot" and i was like wtf

[soft kindle]

Like the obvious answer is still just don't tank thrash, you're a prot warrior

laugh at main tank melee and have fun

but if you are stuck as thrash tank for w/e reason, it does work

[chilly brook]

I mean there were times when they struggled healing when I was main tanking

[soft kindle]

You know what I mean

[lusty grotto]

is thrash talking any different in M Fetid than HC?

[soft kindle]

in comparison to other tanks, prot requires the least healing by a mile as mt

[chilly brook]

And I was just thinking “I was spoiled with my old healers”

[soft kindle]

Probably

those heals looked yikers

[lusty grotto]

be honest, were they talking mad shit on discord

[chilly brook]

I was also thinking “how’re you only going to do 12k hps and the majority of the healing be on yourself?”

Nah they weren’t

[lusty grotto]

like just shooting the shit, fucking around and stuff?

[chilly brook]

Oh yea

[lusty grotto]

jeez

oh well that makes sense

[chilly brook]

TBH I was more or less blaming myself at the time but uhhhhh

I should check to see where my monitor is and if it’s gonna arrive on Wednesday or not

[lusty grotto]

what did you get

i got me that sweet ass deal on a 1070ti for $400

so i sold my 1070 to a friend i'm building a rig

for 200

1070ti for $200 heheheheheh

[primal crypt]

1070 LUL

1080 OR BUST

:)

I need more ssds

And more ram

[chilly brook]

Arrives Thursday

Bought a 144hz monitor @lusty grotto

[modern brook]

1080 for wow :^)

[lusty grotto]

i have 2 ssds

[modern brook]

literally why

[lusty grotto]

because i have one for windows

and another one for games

[chilly brook]

Gotta take my FPS gameplay to the next level

[primal crypt]

Goes well with my yogurt

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[primal crypt]

Obviously

[chilly brook]

I have two SSDs in my laptop lol

[modern brook]

having a laptop in 2018 is such a 2016 move tbh

[lusty grotto]

i have a 144hz gsync monitor, so worth it to move up especially if you FPS

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

gsync sucks shit dude

[lusty grotto]

like ridiculously worth it

[chilly brook]

I mean my laptop has a 1060 6gb

[lusty grotto]

gsync does not suck if you can't match FPS-wise

that's literally the best use for it

[chilly brook]

And it makes working on video editing super convenient

[lusty grotto]

freesync doesn't even work correctly on nvidia cards so 🤷

[chilly brook]

Cuz that’s kinda my major

[modern brook]

TFW griff majors in Laptops

[chilly brook]

Obviously cuz Nvidia are jackasses

[modern brook]

😦

[lusty grotto]

anyway yeah 144hz is worth it

[modern brook]

144hz 100% worth

[chilly brook]

Nah fam I’m a video production major

[modern brook]

gsync sucks shit

[lusty grotto]

and btw i'm not fucking buying a 1080 when a 1070ti @ $200 is right up its heels on performance

dude

you can't fucking do 144fps on most games

so no, it does not suck

unless if you're playing 10 year old games for some reason

like world of warcraft 😄

[chilly brook]

Like this was actually one of my classrooms

[modern brook]

that kid looks like a video production major

[lusty grotto]

is that the timer from lost

[chilly brook]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

are you guys pressing the button?

[chilly brook]

You may never know

[lusty grotto]

dang

[chilly brook]

But this is the monitor I bought ViewSonic XG2401 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A0ZRR50/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FAubCbNDS33BJ

Supposedly basically just as good as their newer model in performance specs but way better color

[lusty grotto]

jesus, i haven't seen viewsonic be relevant in years

[chilly brook]

And like $50 cheaper

[sand egret]

144hz or gtfo imho

[chilly brook]

Did some research apparently they produce really quality monitors at 144hz

[lusty grotto]

ugh freesync 🤷

well they did make good monitors, 10 years ago

[chilly brook]

I’m not paying a $200 tax for gsync

[plain ice]

that bezel pains me

[lusty grotto]

yeah it's kinda big

but hey

[plain ice]

looks like

[lusty grotto]

if it works for him

it's TN

[chilly brook]

Meh the bezel isn’t really what I care about

[lusty grotto]

are you sure you want a TN for video editing?

[chilly brook]

Pretty much all 1080p 144hz are TN

[modern brook]

i like my bezel thicc tbh

[plain ice]

this one is often on sale for about $350 or so a few times a year

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-S2716DGR-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B0149QBOF0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1543849862&sr=8-3&keywords=dell+s2716dg

TN panel as well, but 1440, 144hz, gsync

[lusty grotto]

nah there are quite a few 144hz IPS nowadays

but of course they are a bit more expensive

Acer ones are really good

[chilly brook]

The screen that came with my laptop is an IPS anyways

Granted it’s only 17”

[lusty grotto]

yeah, just saying

I absolutely fucking hate TN panels for coding

so it depends on what you do

some people do not like TNs for gaming either

i really don't see the issue with it but i have tweaked the colors heavily

it's still a good buy though

[chilly brook]

Theoretically color accuracy isn’t directly affected by type of panel only indirectly

[vast carbon]

Heyoo, been playing bdk in uldir but wanted to give prot warr a chance, it is first time playing it though and during mythic reclear it was pretty fine all the way to mythrax where I started getting completly wrecked

got any tips on mythic mythrax tanking as prot?

[chilly brook]

Use SB all the time when main tanking and especially for his big hit since it’s blockable iirc and you can also SR it as well for a DR on top of that iirc since it’s not strictly physical

Assuming you’re running the recommended talents?

[astral crystal]

@vast carbon the major damage intake in mythrax is from multiple orbs popping at once

You shouldn’t be taking too much damage that fight

[chilly brook]

^

[vast carbon]

yea I use the ones tanknotes.tk recommended

[cinder nova]

I- are you sure Essence Shear is blockable?

[vast carbon]

its not

[astral crystal]

You should use IP/SR/minor external like bark for shear

[vast carbon]

but 20% magical dmg reduction

[chilly brook]

If it’s not then my excuse is I uninstalled

xD

[cinder nova]

If you haven't yet

You should

[ember arrow]

ah the standard bfa practice

[astral crystal]

Also demo for shear *

[chilly brook]

Oh don’t worry I did like last week

[vast carbon]

how important is a good ilvl shield for tanking really? I only managed to get a 340 before we started x)

[plain ice]

haha

[chilly brook]

Very

[plain ice]

it helps a lot

[chilly brook]

Most important piece for prot

[astral crystal]

Other than that, damage is low, again, it’ll mostly be about your guild learning how to not pop several people at once from orbs

[vast carbon]

ah well rip

[astral crystal]

Damn man start spamming ataldazar

[vast carbon]

yeye we got the orbs down np

[modern brook]

As a prot main with a 345 shiled

Very important

probably the single most important slot on your character

huge source of damage reduction

[dull granite]

Anyone else feel first aid should be buffed?

[chilly brook]

Block value for prot is insane

[modern brook]

^

[dull granite]

how does a 15 sec channel heal for less than a HP pot

[modern brook]

also iirc 345 ->380 is ~5k armor

[vast carbon]

alright, after like 4 tries where I died super fast I just gave up and went on bdk, but gonna try again nextg week

[chilly brook]

It could also be your healers not adjusted to it as well tbh

[vast carbon]

maybe, also very likely I fucked up AM

[soft kindle]

I think the best way to put it is, my bear can tank the fight, prot sure as shit can tank it

[chilly brook]

Cuz like, trialed with a guild last week and on a fight where I needed 12k EHRPS they failed to keep me up

Coincidentally I uninstalled the day after

[vast carbon]

hahaha

[chilly brook]

It’s a rough life out there 🙃

[vast carbon]

should reinstall tbh

raiding is dank

[modern brook]

^ Uldir is a lot of fun tbh

[chilly brook]

Normally I’d agree with you but when you start logging in because you have to and not because you want to that’s a good time to take a break imo

[vast carbon]

you planning on comming back for next tier?

[lusty grotto]

shield and DC piece are big

[chilly brook]

I might

[vast carbon]

DC?

[lusty grotto]

deafening crash

[primal crypt]

So what happened with that trial griff

[chilly brook]

Though tbh I’ll probably be holding off until they change a lot of fundamental things of BFA

[primal crypt]

Did you get accepted?

[ember arrow]

so never

Griff (Matt)

Though tbh I’ll probably be holding off until they change a lot of fundamental things of BFA

in #protection · Dec 3, 2018, 3:30 PM

omegalul

[primal crypt]

Omegalul

[chilly brook]

Well they didn’t tell me that I wasn’t coming the second night of raid that week

Although I told them I decided I was taking a break from wow

And yea Lev that’s my fear

I’ll come back for classic tho pog

[lusty grotto]

classic groans

[chilly brook]

Say what you will but uhhhh I miss rpg elements in my mmorpgs

[lusty grotto]

play eq1 lol

[uneven mason]

^^

[chilly brook]

Freakin auto correct

[lusty grotto]

good fucking lord i can't fucking believe i said that

[uneven mason]

You can role play the lone survivor of a post apocalyptic world

[modern brook]

i already reported you for it no worries :^)

[uneven mason]

since you'll be alone from level 1 - 100

[lusty grotto]

haha

[chilly brook]

To be perfectly honest, I’d settle for vanilla rift again

[uneven mason]

But for your trusty Merc

[chilly brook]

But that’s never happening

[uneven mason]

the prog server from rift

🤢

[chilly brook]

Yea

“Prog server” kek

[lusty grotto]

the good part of classic is that you don't have to spam WQs or dailies every day, you just sit on 7 hour URBS runs

[uneven mason]

Don't woryr Nim

I'll be a hunter

[lusty grotto]

spend 3 hours waiting on 40 people to raid

[uneven mason]

and I'll solo that shit for you

[lusty grotto]

farm mats for consumables every day

overall a complete 16 hour a day play schedule

[chilly brook]

Hey at least BFA got the mat farms right

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

until they put in the expulsom/hydroshit vendor 😉

[modern brook]

hydrocores are easily the worst part of the expansion tbh

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile with like 2k hydro in the bank

[lusty grotto]

i honestly kind of like content draughts, gives me more time to do other shit

[chilly brook]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

now i have to fucking go at it again 4 days after smash hits

[modern brook]

Ultimate will suck like 4 and brawl

save your money

[lusty grotto]

negative

it's already preordered 😃

[chilly brook]

Nim you ever dock a switch to a 144hz monitor?

[modern brook]

k have fun losing to rosalina and bayblade again

[lusty grotto]

no

my switch is on a 120hz tv

[chilly brook]

Ah

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't matter because consoles can't run at 120 fps anyway

[chilly brook]

No funny business tho yea? I mean it’s just “wasted” performance

[lusty grotto]

yea pretty much

[chilly brook]

I don’t do this whole console thing

Except for my switch cuz it’s badass

[lusty grotto]

i love the switch pretty much only because i can travel with it

[chilly brook]

Same

[lusty grotto]

slap some headphones in, no small talk with other people on the plane

well i shouldn't say only... i do love nintendo first party games

[chilly brook]

I am slightly pissed it doesn’t have Bluetooth headphone support tho

[lusty grotto]

yeah that fucking pissed me off

they did enable it for a small number of devices though, and BT adapters do work

[iron rock]

Could any tell me eventho prot is less viable what traits should i be aimin for raid and m+ also dps and defensive wise would be nice

[lusty grotto]

icy veins guide

[chilly brook]

Raid 1xDC 1xarchive 1xBFI

[primal crypt]

@iron rock check the pins for non viable traits

For the non viable tank

[chilly brook]

M+ 2xArchive 1xDC seems popular

[lusty grotto]

lol yamo

[primal crypt]

Oh excuse me lol

Less viable traits

Read that wrong

[chilly brook]

😤

[lusty grotto]

i tried 2x Archive yesterday, i'm not convinced

[primal crypt]

Bfi is mo betta

Imo

[chilly brook]

I just said it’s popular

[lusty grotto]

i still love me my BFI

[chilly brook]

Not saying it’s best 😉

[primal crypt]

Double archive is just for the ilvl

I dont even have high archives like that

Only high bfis

[lusty grotto]

yeah i gotta get me a gridrunner this week

[primal crypt]

Good luck

[lusty grotto]

not that it matters

[primal crypt]

All of that about to go out the door

[lusty grotto]

yup

i should hop on the ptr and check out the new seasonal

i wonder if its up on it

[uneven mason]

yeah..

been for a while

[old night]

GOOD MORNING FELLOW SHIELD BOIS

[uneven mason]

@lusty grotto wat?

[astral crystal]

what aboot it

[lusty grotto]

morning filmstrips

👎 mac

[modern brook]

isnt 2x archive just BFI but passive and less rng dependent

[lusty grotto]

gives you bigger IPs

and better dmg

technically

but idk

[astral crystal]

wonder if triple bloodsport is going to be the thicc meta at high ilvl

[modern brook]

makes my pps and my ip much bigger

(pain per second)

[lusty grotto]

for the most part yamo is right, it's just because its pieces are usually higher ilvl

yes your pps

peepees super good

[modern brook]

isnt blood sport removed in 8.1?

i coulda sworn i read that

[astral crystal]

not that i know of

i think it's been on a few pieces i've seen

[modern brook]

🤷 mustve beena dream

[astral crystal]

im checking raid pieces, so far none of them has it

[primal crypt]

BUT

all this gear is about to be dumped

So yolo

[autumn pendant]

390 DC shoulders 👌

can enjoy last week of it

[primal crypt]

Lmao

Feelsbadman

The prot dream may be ded

[uneven mason]

bloodsport is mostly on M+ gear anyway

[primal crypt]

My wife wants to tank now

[astral crystal]

tank this unzips BDK

[daring marlin]

390 DC shoulders?

SUMBITCH

h8 u

bloodsport is still on ptr

[uneven mason]

going 3x BFI for the new raid until I get the special trait from there +++

[primal crypt]

@astral crystal how did you know

She just tranaferred her blood dk over

[daring marlin]

triple bfi?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

HUH

I could roll into the new raid with triple BFI if I wanted to too.

ashvane chest/skyscorcher

[autumn pendant]

I got ashvane chest last week 385

[daring marlin]

yeh

It was one of my earliest asserite pieces

hope I get DC shoulders tomorrow

[oblique garnet]

Same

[fickle urchin]

just to verify/ to be sure :
fetid thrash ignores parry right

[uneven mason]

you cannot avoid thrash

or any other tank buster mechanic

(such as SHatter)

[fickle urchin]

ty

[uneven mason]

however

[fickle urchin]

block doesnt count as avoiding right- i mean please tell me we have more than last stand, sw, and ip to soak thrash

[uneven mason]

You can block all of his thrashes

infact prot is 2nd best at Thrash

behind BDK

But we're also the #1 Whit hit tank

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

[primal crypt]

Prot is amazing for tr
Thrash

[fickle urchin]

ok

[primal crypt]

You thought we were less viable didn't you

😂

[fickle urchin]

me? No

i dont tank

[primal crypt]

...

🤔

[lusty grotto]

uh oh

[fickle urchin]

i was asking about parry because of some competitive wow reddit thread with the author saying arms could soak thrash as a desperation measure with dbs during last few %

[lusty grotto]

yamo plsnotroll.gif

ROFL

wat

[primal crypt]

......

[fickle urchin]

and that struck me as wrong.

[uneven mason]

In theory if you're defensive stance and have DBTS up you can eat one

[primal crypt]

Je-sus

[fickle urchin]

so i came here to verify.

[uneven mason]

or 2

[lusty grotto]

fucking reddit

[primal crypt]

Reddit

Is

[dusk locust]

i think there used to be something you could do with dps and dodging it, but that was patched out

[lusty grotto]

i mean only because of the damage reduction

[primal crypt]

...

[fickle urchin]

bare in mind, the talk was about last few % @uneven mason

[lusty grotto]

dbts + def stance is a lot of damage reduction

[fickle urchin]

so ... thrash would be doing more .

[stark sage]

dbts + def stance, maybe you could soak a few

[fickle urchin]

due to enrage.

[stark sage]

enrage doesnt make you take extra damage anymore

oh

[primal crypt]

-REDDIT-

[lusty grotto]

dbts is not only parry, is what he means

[stark sage]

fetids ernage

not fury's

[fickle urchin]

yes

[lusty grotto]

keep in mind though

dbts and def stance are multiplicative

so its 30% * 20% damage reduction

the parry portion of dbts doesn't matter

[fickle urchin]

as for my "i dont tank" comment, that was more just a current situation thing. I know we can on some raid bosses. I v tanked "in the past" as raid tank. Just not right now.

[uneven mason]

"On some raid bosses"

Prot is insanely strong in Uldir (not OP, just strong)

95% of whats wrong with prot is behind the keyboard in most cases lol

[fickle urchin]

i m not being asked to tank, and I m not about to get political to take our bdk or monks place

[sand egret]

ah, guilds 👌

[fickle urchin]

although i will suggest that we switch whos doing the soaking on fetid.

since right now, its the monk

[primal crypt]

Yikes

For how long?

[uneven mason]

😨

[fickle urchin]

1 night only

[primal crypt]

I mean

[uneven mason]

BDK is made for THrash

[fickle urchin]

we only just reached him

[primal crypt]

One pull

Aha

Gotcha

Yeah

Bdk most def

He can heal back the thrash

And if he cant, he's wasting his rp

[dusk locust]

bdk has to talent specially for it tho

[fair brook]

2 death strikes, full again. win

[dusk locust]

there's a unique talent setup they use for that

[primal crypt]

Win

[fair brook]

I bdk thrash tank, I don't swap anything for it specifically and it is a non issue, 2 DS and I'm usually back to full or safe

[primal crypt]

What unique talents

There's nothing unique

It's the same talents

Anyway, prot is dank

Bdk over monk

[fair brook]

I mean, I run blooddrinker, which is non-optimal, but I like the extra heal and ranged dps

[dusk locust]

he was getting chunked real bad until he took one that had something to do with damage reduction below 30% or something

i don't know bdk well

[primal crypt]

Ohhhh

Lmao

[fair brook]

Will of the Necro, its baseline almost

if he doesnt run that....

[primal crypt]

Yup

Lmaoooooo

Had to swap to actual talents

Wonder what he was using instead

[dusk locust]

yeah i'll trust his judgement thx, but he had to make that one change

[primal crypt]

Topkek

What's his name?

[fair brook]

But ya. I have a 378 warrior, and a 371 bdk. I've done fetid with both, I still prefer the bdk for thrash, but prot isnt horrid.

[dusk locust]

hell monk is fine too it was used on world first kills for that as far as i remember

but yeah bdk's excellent for it

[fair brook]

my 365 guardian though, which im running through heroic alt night, just blows in every way

the only time my bear feels remotely useful is when I can give a good roar to the group and reposition, but, like... thats it.

[lusty grotto]

bladesong triggering

[sand egret]

🤔 on the one hand next week is skittish which is going to be free...but fucking bursting has so much fail pug potential

[fickle urchin]

i like bears during zekvos second small add phase

[sand egret]

I dunno if I'm into it

[lusty grotto]

oh its not about bears

wew

[primal crypt]

Bursting is so yuck

[dusk locust]

does feral still have the speed roar

[primal crypt]

Pugs dont know how to stop

[lusty grotto]

it does

stampeding, yes

[primal crypt]

Literally reset stacks on purpose

[sand egret]

yeah feral gets SR

[lusty grotto]

wait let me think

[fickle urchin]

well, i havnt seen any catdruids in a while

so...

[lusty grotto]

i mean for good reason lol

aoe fights = cats are useless

[fickle urchin]

i remember that one vid of world first nefarion

that was a funny vid

with the purring cat sound at the end

cause they stacked like 8 cats

[fair brook]

A good stampeding roar when you land on Taloc is nice. Occasionally for Mother lazers. Fetid when he heads to 2nd cyst. Zek void zones. Vec pool soaks. Mythrax getting to ads. I mean, it feels good to use correctly, its just the only damn thing the bear feels good for. 😃

[copper pewter]

Something tells me the M+ I joined is going to be interesting..

[lusty grotto]

just quit

quit right now

[oblique garnet]

Hey thats me

[lusty grotto]

holy shit lol

[stark sage]

its like he did it on purpose

how can you be that wrong

[copper pewter]

I'll report back with my findings

[lusty grotto]

that has to be Late

[dusk locust]

i can easily see how that talent loadout can happen

[oblique garnet]

oh wait nvm hr

i run ravager

[lusty grotto]

so close

you know, at least he's not indom

wince

this NA or EU?

[stark sage]

indom > NS imo

[copper pewter]

EU

[lusty grotto]

i disagree, i like the dude cutting himself on the icon, therefore NS is better

[stark sage]

🙃

[lusty grotto]

kids seek help if you like that sort of thing please

[fair brook]

HAHAHAHAHA those talents are amazing

I mean, penicillin was discovered by accident, maybe he's on to something and we should give him a chance.

[lusty grotto]

its just weird like Never Surrender has that icon... since, you know, doing that is basically surrendering

[oblique garnet]

Im telling you ravager is the sleeper op

[copper pewter]

We're almost at first boss and he hasn't died horribly yet

Is this the dream?

[lusty grotto]

we need context

what dungeon

what key lvl

[modern brook]

yall never saw bravehart?

the scene where they yelled they can take our lives but not our freedom

and busted out the razor blades and went down the road

powerful stuff

[fickle urchin]

i actually like the idea of ravager

[copper pewter]

I mean, it's only a +8 boralus, so maybe he's just memeing

[lusty grotto]

rofl

welp boralus is easy as hell this week

[modern brook]

all the footmen die

[lusty grotto]

except for poison buddies, but that's it

[modern brook]

just pull them to the side

[astral crystal]

use the gate jump trick

[lusty grotto]

i... what?

[modern brook]

have a poison clense

[lusty grotto]

be dwarf

[modern brook]

playing on alliance lol

[astral crystal]

nimchip, if you pull them to the garden area by the stairs you can just jump on both sides of the fence there

[lusty grotto]

lul

[astral crystal]

they path around it

not through it

[lusty grotto]

oh right

yeah

[astral crystal]

ye

[lusty grotto]

i always get scared my buddies will pull the cubby so i don't

plus they have downs and will probably be chain stunned by the 3 horse amigos

[fickle urchin]

you talking about that spot with the second arty spotter?

"garden"

[lusty grotto]

i know the trick works by where the last 2 giant dudes are

or path by

[sand egret]

unforunately, sanguine can make that trick...dicey

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair, sanguine shouldn't do shit if they are killed evenly and then you play the "who dies first" lottery by standing on quintuple stacked puddle of blood

[sand egret]

I thought you took a pic of my talents for a second there, but then I realized I was at work and that had no Ravager.

also why I used the word can

[copper pewter]

For those still interested in my research, if a pull lasts longer than 10 or so seconds, he gets one shot

[sand egret]

Is he standing in Broadside/Heavy Slash

i had to inform my tank the other day (yes, I did my first run as dps!) that it is not a good idea to stand in broadcasted attacks.

[copper pewter]

He is getting destroyed by the monkeys

[sand egret]

classic monkeys

them bannans

[lusty grotto]

my friends

i love slippin on those bananas

[modern brook]

i like listening to my rdps complain about mechanics

[lusty grotto]

"hey i have to kite, oops nevermind"

[modern brook]

mdps op as always

[sand egret]

ooooh, if the casters dudes are in the group

[modern brook]

:^)

[sand egret]

that frost blast hurts

[lusty grotto]

spell reflect for massive dmg

[modern brook]

is it reflectable?

[lusty grotto]

i thought someone said you could but i couldn't test it last night because people were chain interrupting like pros

which is annoying when it its not required

my team is just auto used to killing casters first

on sanguine at least

on the other hand kids, if a mob is not stunnable... it can walk right into RoP. Yesterday I learned 😉

shit im only 29th on my server

need to get on it

welp season is almost over anyway

[copper pewter]

Final verdict, that guy was not the warrior equivalent of the penicillin discovery

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto is it resetting

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs? i'm curious now

not sure yamo

[copper pewter]

I'm afraid I do not

[lusty grotto]

ok, at least you did half of your job

good average work 👍

[copper pewter]

I did the research so you didn't have to, pat on the back for me 👍

[lusty grotto]

yes, one firm handshake

🤝

[sand egret]

yeah, he shoulda ran Rav

amateur

[modern brook]

more parry = drop stacks while face tanking

Ravager op

[gaunt pewter]

Hi guys, how many haste need proto?

[stark sage]

no requirement or cap really

just go for ilvl on your gear

favoring haste

[gaunt pewter]

ty, man

[uneven mason]

I'm started to favor Vers myself, now that I'm more or less 100% Effective uptime on block, and my RA gives me demigod levels of haste.

I'll prob swap back to haste once the new raid lands

and RA will no logner be a thing

Would it be snarky of me to ask my raidleader (who was rather anti prot warrior at first) for a report of all the wipes that can be attributed to me dying/being hard to heal since I got my main tank spot back, and then compare it to all the wipes from the Prot paladin/ BDK dying?

Pretty sure he'd bench me out of spite

But almost tempted to

[oblique garnet]

I wanna do that

So i can tank mythrax

But "grip"

What the hell is this skyhold vs heroic uldir stream

[uneven mason]

15 warriors?

in a raid

seeing if they can just kill bosses by taking turns tanking

[astral crystal]

Zekvoz will be interesting

And zul

[oblique garnet]

Fetid

[ember arrow]

heroic

who cares

[astral crystal]

Sure

Lol

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah zekvoz since nobody can cc

[ember arrow]

as if it matters

if it was mythic at least

[astral crystal]

Rampant magic dmg yo

When’s this stream?

[oblique garnet]

Coburn is streaming it rn

[astral crystal]

Shiiieeet I’m on the train home still

[fickle urchin]

wonder who d be most successful in hc uldir, a pure arms, pureprot, or pure fury raid

my money is on fury

[lapis wraith]

so protwar #1 tank 8.1, gg ye?\

[wet iron]

n

[lusty grotto]

yes

(if you're not a baddie)

[lapis wraith]

oh. so not for me.

kk

[uneven mason]

The answer can be found by looking at the following question
Do warriors have a mass grip?

[sweet kettle]

you dont need a mass grip

[uneven mason]

Do Blood DKs still have exclusive access to this many times encounter breaking utility?

So, the first is No, and the 2nd is yes

So until those answers are reversed.

Also Bugatsa tell that to the community, where many times grip is the difference between an encounter being laughable

and an encounter being a nightmare.

That being said, the tanking situation still literally breaks down to "Not BDK" because of grips

[vocal nimbus]

in what encounters is mass grip breaking utility?

[sweet kettle]

the only encounter that blood dk was pretty much a must is aggramar mythic

[uneven mason]

so it doesn't make prot bad, it just makes tanks that are not BDK less than optimal

I didn't say "required" or "a must" I said grip makes encounters far easier

[vocal nimbus]

which ones

[uneven mason]

Zul, Mythrax, and Zek are 3 in the current raid

so

you know.

thats 3/8

[vocal nimbus]

🤔

no, no and maybe

[sweet kettle]

but its not needed

[uneven mason]

No, but it still makes a sizeable difference

[sweet kettle]

its not like we not killing the boss cause we dont have a massgrip

[ember arrow]

@uneven mason why are you pretending like bdk is best choice as raid tank

[vocal nimbus]

it isnt a sizeable difference tho

[uneven mason]

I didn't say they're theb est choice

I'm saying that the utility sets them apart 😄

[vocal nimbus]

but it doesnt

[uneven mason]

Ok

keep telling yourself that

[vocal nimbus]

🤷

its hard for you to pick up 4 dogs each 30-40sec?

on mythrax you stack on the rock and the copies spawn stacked anyways

[uneven mason]

Because that won't be fixed

[sweet kettle]

blood dk are stronger than any tank in m+ sure but not only because of the mass grip

[vocal nimbus]

on zekvoz rangeds stack on the middle and mobs stack themselves

[ember arrow]

mostly because of the self healing, at least that was the case in legion

[uneven mason]

Skillstorm

[ember arrow]

oh

we gonna

[uneven mason]

YEAH WE GONNA

[ember arrow]

use that argument

[uneven mason]

S K I L L S T O R M

Levy

[ember arrow]

if warr is such high skillcap comparatively

wahts the pay off

[uneven mason]

We has none

[sweet kettle]

again the only fight were blood dk was a must was aggramar mythic other than fight blood dk isnt needed

[uneven mason]

which is the problem isn't it

[ember arrow]

bugatsa gets it

[jade socket]

You can’t even grip the visions on mythrax btw

[uneven mason]

Didn't say anything on the visions

[vocal nimbus]

You are putting mass grip way above than where it is

[uneven mason]

gripping folks out of the MC

+++

grip in general

[vocal nimbus]

try to mass grip more than 1 person in mythrax

lmao

[ember arrow]

you forget the fact that monks can clear all mythic bosses without pressing AM

but ye

massgrip is op

[sweet kettle]

^^

[vocal nimbus]

take out 2 people in mythrax and you die

[modern brook]

i mean

Monks are fixed with number tuning

[sweet kettle]

monks legit unkillable with a holy pala behind them

[modern brook]

mass grip is still only on one class

[outer dew]

I mean

[modern brook]

ie: utility sets hem apart still

[uneven mason]

That is the issue

[outer dew]

Just get that frost dk to do it

[uneven mason]

that I've been trying to iterate

[sweet kettle]

hello chains from dh?

[uneven mason]

but folks don't take reading comprehension

[sweet kettle]

that is massgrip

[modern brook]

LOL at chains being even roughly close to mass grip

chains is poverty grip

[uneven mason]

Chains is talented and its pretty much pointless

its like 30% of the area of Gorefiends

[vocal nimbus]

🤔

[sweet kettle]

so?

stuck the adds maybe?

[uneven mason]

so its not so much of a mass grip

as a "I can interrupt with this"

[vocal nimbus]

sigil also slows tho

[sand egret]

mob displacement is strong. mob displacement with precise control is stronger.

more news at 11

[uneven mason]

^^^

[ember arrow]

yet bdk sint the best choice for raidtanking

[neon tangle]

@vocal nimbus BDK already has D&D for slows, and sigil has a 2s delay, it's not even close to as useful

[uneven mason]

Well "best" is all going to come down situationally

[sweet kettle]

imo prot warrior has enough tools to do lots of things

[modern brook]

the only ppl that said the words bdk is the best choice for raid tanking are the ppl arguing against it

the entire statement was bdk is set apart from all other tanks with its utility

[uneven mason]

but I never said they were BEST

[sweet kettle]

sure it cant solo things like a blood dk but hey you dont need to do that

[uneven mason]

^^ What Bull said

[ember arrow]

you pretend like massgreip is this broken thing

[modern brook]

which is basically unarguable

[ember arrow]

that will break msot encounters

and it doesnt

[vocal nimbus]

the only thing that was said here was "mass grip sets bdk apart in many encounters" which is totally wrong

[uneven mason]

Its repeatedly reared its head as areason to bring a BDK

[modern brook]

p sure we're pretending like mass grip is utility that sets bdk apart from the rest of the tank

[sand egret]

tbh grip has nothing to dow ith raid tanking imho, no more than Spell Reflect imho

[neon tangle]

only encounter it's really useful on is zek ?

[sand egret]

it's a purely encounter based thing

[vocal nimbus]

the only good encounter for mass grip is zek voz and even there if the rangeds stack in the middle the mobs stack themselves without reaching them

so, does mass grip set apart utility wise bdks in uldir? no

[neon tangle]

imho a LOT of the reason that BDK has seen so much play in raids is a mix of 1. they were pretty broken in this season in m+, which gave them a huge early gear advantage

[modern brook]

"does having the utility to do something other tanks cannot do set bdk apart from other tanks in bdk utility wise, no" is a bad sentence for your defense dude

[neon tangle]

and 2. they are easier to play, which is an advantage to actually killing things

[vocal nimbus]

you forgot 'in uldir' there

[modern brook]

"does having utility that other tanks do not have set bdk apart from other tanks, utility wise, no" is a bad setnence dude

no matter how many clauses you tack on

[ember arrow]

so what are you trying to argue then

since none of the bosses neede a bdk

its not even same as aggramar

[modern brook]

That grip is good and is unique to bdk

[ember arrow]

where it makes it 100 tiems better

[vocal nimbus]

they have that utility, but is it impactful?

[outer dew]

i mean, just clap harder on zekvvoz

so your dps bitch at you

for their parses

[worthy dagger]

guess im not late for our daily bdk conversation

[outer dew]

bahahahha

[modern brook]

this time in uldir lans

its much more unique

[neon tangle]

@modern brook utility is situation+meta specific, warriors have "UTILITY" in the form of AoE fear+stun that other tanks don't have

[worthy dagger]

bdks are useless in uldir

[neon tangle]

That utility is not.... useful in uldir

[worthy dagger]

so what we talking about

[uneven mason]

Someone asked are warriors the best tank in 8.1 I said - we don't have a mass grip, and BDK still do, thus, no warriors are not the best tank. But here comes the SOCIAL JUSTICE EDGELORDS to defend their precious child for a preceived slight to their unsullied name... 🤔

[neon tangle]

so yeah, situation+meta matters

[vocal nimbus]

@macti

woops

[keen spire]

Can we all just agree that blood is a bad spec and should be changed to "Meatbag"?

[ember arrow]

so disagreeing with you about a class

means

we are social justiceedgelords

:oof:

[uneven mason]

No, just folks jumped on it

[vocal nimbus]

@uneven mason tell me SoZ encounters where you will need mass grip

[ember arrow]

you jsut said that

[uneven mason]

for no reason.

[outer dew]

okay

[vocal nimbus]

i havent looked into them so i dont really know

[outer dew]

so what fight requires a BDK in next tier?

🤔

[worthy dagger]

i see the what youre trying to say about bdk but do bdks have ?

[uneven mason]

No fight requires a BDK

[vocal nimbus]

then?

[uneven mason]

didn't say they wre ever required

[vocal nimbus]

why are they set apart

[timber nest]

The prot buffs coming with the patch or at a later date?

[vocal nimbus]

with the 8.1 patch

[worthy dagger]

patch

[keen spire]

Should be with the patch

[uneven mason]

Not a single encounter requires them

[timber nest]

Niceee

[worthy dagger]

then were gonna get another buff because were still gonna suck

[vocal nimbus]

then how are they set apart macti

[uneven mason]

I said grips make some fights easier

[keen spire]

wat

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Unless there's a specific fight that needs a massgrip I don't see a reason that BDK will be particularly good in raids next tier

[outer dew]

okay, what fight makes next tier easier?

[uneven mason]

You boys jumped to "EASIER MUST BE REQUIRED"

[neon tangle]

they're getting a EHP nerf, warriors are getting an equally big EHP buff

shrug

[vocal nimbus]

where is mass grip making things easier?

[uneven mason]

Dunno, was talking about this tier

G R I P

not just mass grip

[ember arrow]

whos gettign a ehp nerg?

nerf

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow BDK

[uneven mason]

BDK are not getting a EHP nerf

[ember arrow]

where?

[outer dew]

this implies that

[uneven mason]

its just being moved over.

[ember arrow]

did u read sadbox?

[outer dew]

a situational is almost impossible without a DK

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason WOTN is getting nerfed to 30% 30%

[ember arrow]

because noones nerfing their ehp

[outer dew]

when you say it's a nightmare

[neon tangle]

yall need to read patch notes

[uneven mason]

oh true

[ember arrow]

wotn is a talent

[uneven mason]

14% EHP rather than 19% EHP

[ember arrow]

morel ike 12.9

but ye

[neon tangle]

^^^

it works out to about 5% EHP

[outer dew]

just have your healer keep at you at 25% hp

[ember arrow]

it wont exactly do much

[outer dew]

200 IQ right here

[keen spire]

Honestly, I think BDK only makes things easier when you have either A.) a poorly skilled tank, B.) a team of dps that like to stand in things (more healing output on not a tank*) or C.) Your healers are mediocre.

If you're a skilled tank, have a team of dps that don't take avoidable damage, and you have halfway decent healers, all tanking specs are #Viable.

[ember arrow]

if a fight has oneshot mechanics

[keen spire]

😎

[ember arrow]

u talent runetap

if it hasnt u take wotn

yest sinisterblob bdk is noskill tank, as opposed to the 200iq specs we have otherwise

[outer dew]

@lusty grotto take off your chef hat

it's santa hat time

[ember arrow]

how have i not seen it before

[keen spire]

Lol Levko, I didn't say it was a noskill tank

[signal plover]

Sinister, A+B+C = the whole wow playerbase

[outer dew]

a poorly skilled tank

[keen spire]

xD

[ember arrow]

u didnt?

[outer dew]

you know the difference between

average/good/top player

is huge right?

[worthy dagger]

except bear, lets all agree that bears sucks

[ember arrow]

u dont compare tanks between bad players

an equally skilled bdk vs a prot

[modern brook]

rip bears 😦

[outer dew]

oi

[keen spire]

"noskill tank" refers to the class itself requiring no skill. "Poorly skilled tank" refers to the player

[outer dew]

i saw a 1.2k io bear tank

better than most wow pop

:^)

[signal plover]

carried

[modern brook]

1.2 is probably top 50 in the world for bears

[signal plover]

;)

[outer dew]

i mean

[signal plover]

(is joke)

(easy bearski)

[outer dew]

1400 is top 100 world

for prot warrior

lmao

[worthy dagger]

i hope they get better at 8.1

[ember arrow]

@keen spire if u have a bad player

u pick a monk

why woulkd u take a bdk

bdk can actually die

[modern brook]

1.2 starts at 161 in the world for bear tanks 😦

BDK dies if you leave your keyboard

[neon tangle]

yikes

[modern brook]

Monk lets you take ur dog out and be ok

[ember arrow]

as i said

ppl cleard m uldir without uising ISB

once

[modern brook]

turns out stagger is really good when its overtuned to shit

[ember arrow]

or whatever their AM is

[signal plover]

It's ISB

[modern brook]

do they purify at least?

[ember arrow]

no AM was used

[modern brook]

those poor healers

[ember arrow]

there are logs

poor?

its 10% more healing req

than with it

what, u expect to be punished for literally not playing?

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow FWIW those logs with the 10% still included ISB and just too much purifying

[modern brook]

^ if youre refering to the PoS post on brew being overtuned

I just assumed some one tried tanking mythic without am after reading that

[ember arrow]

ppl did

[neon tangle]

it was the equivalent of a prot warrior always using IP instead of SB

I'm actually curious if you'd hit the stagger caps just never using AM

[modern brook]

use a 2h weapon, only IP, all rage generated from cD usage and claps

truest gladiator stance we could ask for

literally arms warrior in defensive stance without cooldowns

[lusty grotto]

@outer dew indeed sir

stupid chef orc needs to replace that hat

[outer dew]

si

[signal plover]

I don't think u can equip a 2h as prot...

[sand egret]

newp

now...what if that 2hander...was a shield...

jus' sayin'

[lusty grotto]

dual wield shields

let's make it happen

[sand egret]

see, i'd be ok with a single, 2-handed shield. Only, though, if I can wield it like a foldable chair

tank swaps be great. "Ok time to swap at 4 stacks...OH HE BROUGHT THE CHAIR!!!?!"

[lusty grotto]

hmm i'd need a paella bowl transmog for that one

[sand egret]

"THAT BOSS HAD A FAMILY"

[lusty grotto]

or a witch super cauldron

"why does it smell like delicious stew, OH GOD N---"

talking about high RIO bears

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Willowumbraa

pretend you didn't see nimchipadin here

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/runs/9267154-10-kings-rest

[sand egret]

lol that bear REALLY went hard on that raging/volcanic week, eh?

[lusty grotto]

hey

he was pretty cool

[sand egret]

oh man he's got 3x TC and 2x IV

my bear is so jealous

[lusty grotto]

AT LEAST HE CARRIED ME AND MY BRO

unlike people here COUGH

cough cough cough

[sand egret]

well, not many 1300 bears around to carry your deadweight

🔥

[lusty grotto]

no but sriously i was surprised by that pug

we did an underrot with that same team except the bear

we had a VDH from azralon

who surprisingly did very well

and then dc'd after mushroom boss

so we had to 4 man it with my lil bro tanking

we still keyed it

instant bnet add for that sham and hunter

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/runs/9264313-9-the-underrot

that one

what the fuck

my brother has syringe