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#protection
coral dew
daring marlin
DPS bump and IP bump without being eh like bloodsport
coral dew
I still haven't figured out though if BoM IP counts towards IPs 1.3 cap
sand egret
it prob does
coral dew
Hmmm
daring marlin
The cap doesn't matter when you're getting fisted in content that matters.
coral dew
Even if it's a seperate buff? Not saying it is but
sand egret
there's maybe a world, but I doubt it tbh
sand egret
it feels like the direction of the trait is to provide a direct defensive benefit to an offensive cooldown
to which a free IP + increased mastery for more CBs seems right up there
astral crystal
There’s nothing to figure out
daring marlin
^
coral dew
Why is that assumed though
daring marlin
because the more AP you have pumps up your max IP already
sand egret
because when you're cynical that tends to happen
astral crystal
Because there’s no reason to assume otherwise dunk ass
What you’re expecting to happen is potential wish fulfillment
coral dew
No one is assuming that though, you're the only one making assumptions to a genuine question
coral dew
Thanks for the whopping contribution of fuck-all. Now go get the hot pockets your mom made before they get cold
coral dew
see random inconsequential question about video game
calls someone dumb ass for asking
Totally not the mad lil lad
astral crystal
some people are just too touchy for video games i guess
oblique garnet
What is all this hate
astral crystal
idk but im thankful mods abandoned this channel
lusty grotto
lol
raven ore
Mods don't check channels all the time, please ping mods using @ val'kyr if you need one
Thats quite particularly why it exists.
steel mauve
Bastion of mights wording is instantly grants you ignore pain, which means its literally as if you used an ignore pain, its not going to be a seperate buff
polar oracle
Lol so what do u guys do on this server talk about port warriors
So why prot warriors >THE REST
hot locust
or complain inaccurately about the ways other tanks make us "look bad" at everything :P
polar oracle
I tell u why u want to go warrior prot over everything else one word
The one thing warriors do better then any1 in game
autumn pendant
I see where this is going
polar oracle
THreat
hot locust
🤔
polar oracle
I'm vanirtitan@sargeras I been on van for 13 years and only have a dozen tanks in the world got the threat I roll with
hot locust
maybe if other tanks had threat problems and warriors didnt... but none of the tanks have threat problems really.
polar oracle
Why is threat so important?
hot locust
So of all the words, I think you chose a poor one sir.
fresh trail
id just like to not have to play like michael jordan
coral dew
Why are you asking what threat is now lol
Wait but you just said threat was warriors best characteristic
polar oracle
Cuz it's way we draw are power from if u can get threat and mite the adds never have to worry about loading it u golden
It used right threat is ur most powerful tool a tanks got
hot locust
@fresh trail old, broken, past his prime, and still thinks he could beat current pros? yeah that sums up prot well, you are right. :^)
polar oracle
Everyone's talking about dos monks trash tanks they are compared to warriors
Eat good is them fee they have if they can't hang on to argoo
Dks trash they heal a lot and need it haha yup prot warriors got more threat and take no damage compared to any other tank class by far
That's how I judge another tank by there threat if I can pull Argo off u with one shield slam
How can u compete with me
tight tree
hot locust
sounds like 
loud lichen
wanna level a warrior what race do you prefer?
tight tree
need to rhyme that rap dawg
hot locust
horde or ally?
loud lichen
horde
tight tree
If you rolled any class that can be an ORC but did not choose an ORC, then you instantly failed.
hot locust
BE or HMT really
loud lichen
normal orks or new allied race?
polar oracle
I'm only 367 and I have no equal I'm pulling off 385 mythic tanks like there not even playing running circles around tanks 20 levels higher isn't anything new tho
tight tree
either orks are master race!
hot locust
Or just pick whatever, not like it actually matters much.
tight tree
normal ork good for PvP too!
loud lichen
i mainly pve normaly i pick BE but i kinda always pick be^^
lusty grotto
wtf lol
hot locust
@polar oracle enough not-so-humble-bragging about your green parses buddy
autumn pendant
Dont mind it
autumn pendant
Just carry on
polar oracle
That's what gives us a bad rep the nubs hiring something on the other side of bored and wondering why we don't have threat haha
ember arrow
but
threat inst an issue though
if u pulled off of 20 ilvl higher tanks
it was either bears
or they werent pressing the buttons
last time i pulled threat was in antorus
autumn pendant
Dont give him ammo 😛
hot locust
I like to afk tank. Gives me time to go get drinks.
steel mauve
HMT masterrace
polar oracle
Honestly I have hard time with most tanks they cap my rage dos everything I have to stop watch letters or I'll strip evrrtime
ember arrow
wat
polar oracle
Bears no buddy I'm talking 380dks
autumn pendant
@ember arrow dont feed him
autumn pendant
Its all okay 😁
oblique garnet
Kings rest never again with these affixes
lusty grotto
KR never during fort
oblique garnet
Traumatized by that fucking place
daring marlin
lol
lavish oracle
Honestly, KR during fort probably won't be so bad when we can block those fuckers with bows
oblique garnet
its fucking horrible with necrotic
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, I'm not going in there this week
placid mango
RA and 15 ilvls or DC?
outer dew
it's terrible every week
why yo utrying
to make it seem like it's great some other time
smh
lavish oracle
I'm saying it'll be fine after the patch
well significantly less terrible
fine is probably the wrong word
oblique garnet
Its the affixes that made the dungeon fucking awful this time
its w/e on tyrannical
next week it should be ezpz
lavish oracle
The affixes are a joke next week anyways, lol
lavish oracle
Skittish is basically a week without an affix
placid mango
15 ilvls and revenge trait or DC trait?
lusty grotto
DC
lavish oracle
DC if you don't already have it
rocky ledge
Hey guys.. anyone look into the new Engi goggles? Looks like they have DC on outer ring
mental scarab
oh
sly leaf
hey just a question from a noob prot warrior how often should shield block be up at my current level im keeping it up for round 50% of damage but wowanalyzer says 90% and i dont see how that is possible thanks in advance
rocky ledge
are you running Bolster?
SB x3, Last Stand, SBx3 is huge uptime - then fill with Shield Wall or externals. You can do more with haste procs/lust etc
sand egret
just make sure you're only using SB when you're actively taking damage
if you pop it right before a 3 second cast, you just lost 50% of that SB
unlike other tanks, we covet our SB like fuckin Gollum
vocal nimbus
Also dont use wowanalyzer
astral crystal
is wowanalyzer updated for prot warr?
there was one of those automated analyzers that just straight up didnt wor kwith prot
steel mauve
its not updated for prot war afaik
in legion we could keep shield block up for 100% effective uptime, which is why it says above 90%
hince its not updated
sick sentinel
Hey i destroyed my 1h when i switched dps which dungeons should i farm to get a good one ?
outer dew
the one that drops one for you
or do you pvp at all?
345 or 370 pvp weapons are avaiable for conquest cap
sick sentinel
Forgot about pvp thanks
And for dungeons i was tlking about the most efficient way to get prot gear like a dungeon with good trinket weapon and shield
outer dew
Tol would be one of the ideal ones to farm
outer dew
one of the best
outer dew
temple isn't that bad
but it's shit to farm this week
esp with pugs
you have weap + shield there
rezans is a pretty good one too
atal*
sick sentinel
Temple is a nightmare i don't think i even got one finished on rio
So i won't be taken
sick sentinel
Haha
When i'll be able to pay for the repair maybe i'll think about a sethraliss rush 🤔
sick sentinel
Orb room can be ok with a rdrood and a suicide tank
hollow kite
any word on how the new trait Bastion of might is?
outer dew
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
I'm 700ish rio iirc the weekly +10 i do on my char don't count cause of my realm
outer dew
I think it's great
outer dew
a stat roid which is on demand
sick sentinel
I'm really hyped to tank m+'s tho
sick sentinel
I'll play as prot dps don't worry
I plyed prot at the start of bfa but tanking m+5 with a 325 shield was a nightmare
ashen trellis
Has anyone had success with ravager on nercotic weeks? I have yet to make it work
Pop ravager, continue to gain a ton of stacks
daring marlin
lol 
woeful otter
silk mortar
🤔
silk mortar
Does that mean... We be.. Viable ?
pliant sage
So if you block you take no damage? Like wtf?
burnt bluff
modern brook
wow analyzer isnt even updated for the shit its supposed to be its a garbo website for ppl who dont want to learn to interpret their own logs
re: an hour ago
merry bane
even though its locked at 360 what do you think of Helm of the Azerothian Champion
all secondary stats increased by 80 for a minute. plus it has veins and resounding
chilly brook
Unless you don’t have anything higher sure but even then, our regular traits are better than champion
merry bane
oh I have better I was just curious
chilly brook
Unless you’re doing m+ in which case it seems popular to run two archives with one dc
merry bane
I have dual archive and DC
just saw the helm when I turned in my emissary and was curious
chilly brook
Yea ilvl is king for azerite unless it’s your dc piece
daring marlin
madlad
sick sentinel
Now that I finally got paid, I'm trying to decide whether I should go maghar or highmountain
sick sentinel
On one hand, I look beautiful as maghar with my tmog. On the other, HM got some good racials for tanking and the sfx from using abilities are goat
astral crystal
go dark iron :^)
i'm 10k away from unlocking it.... god DAAAAAMN
all this so i can embark on ANOTHER grind to 110
for the heritage armor
and then never touch my DI warf again
abstract feels
daring marlin
@soft kindle of course not
sick sentinel
I'll go dark iron on my priest since she's already a dwarf
wicked sierra
whats a good amount of vers to sit on?
soft kindle
More of it
steel mauve
we dont sit on stats, just go with ilvl and the priority with same ilvl gear
strong forum
:3
we're getting there
on my crit set i have like 1% versa and on my versa gear only 8%, it doesnt really matter much
supple path
Man, pugs this week are really going better for my warrior than DK. Just so much more ability to facetank mobs while surrounded by the 5 pools of sanguine your group created by aggroing neutrals.
final elbow
those neutrals need to know whos boss
neon tangle
@supple path it’s taking a weirdly long time for the leaderboards to fill up
Only AD and FH are at 10 now
supple path
Yeah, seems like a very unpopular week.
I honestly kinda like it, feels way more in the tank's control than usual.
Making my grand push to finally up my io score to 1k so the cool kids will let me look at their table at lunch.
supple path
Yeah if you get the upper left path WM is pretty painless this week with proper pull backs.
supple path
I had a nightmarish shrine of the storm where the group pulled the next pack while I had a 40 stack of necrotic from the little neutrals FOUR times.
It really just seems to punish idiocy super hard and that's it.
I need to just start depleting keys where DPS pull, for my own blood pressure.
tulip matrix
I don't mind infested, I actually kinda like it
but this week is pretty boring affixes wise
oblique garnet
Necrotic is garbage affix and should be removed from the game
Id rather take grievious
fickle geyser
i find that affixes that make enemies harder are more fun than those that makes ur character worse
ivory barn
which 3 would people recommend?
zinc mauve
finally killed ghuun
heroic
problem: i didnt have reorigination array
so by that logic, no origination array = heroic ghuun kill
pliant saffron
how many ilvl do we sac for def crash? just hit 120 and trying to gear up
zinc mauve
15
quiet relic
any other place you guys get your info instead of wowhead/icy? i like bloodmallet but only tank not on there is us :/
sick sentinel
depends on what info you're looking for specifically that icy/wowhead doesn't cover
open bluff
if you're looking for hard dps numbers, go fix up our simc module
sick sentinel
I have played paladin and warrior and rogue, but i don't understand this monk and dh melee stuff
sick sentinel
I went mag'har, even if HM would be better for tanking Fashion>Function and HM don't look good on anything but my default mog.
ionic ridge
I love this mog
sick sentinel
I'm levelling a warrior atm (lvl 84), and I'm baffled by Demoralizing shout, sometimes it has a 15 sec CD, other times the CD is much longer (45 sec?)
what causes it to vary?
vocal nimbus
The pvp talent
sick sentinel
ah thanks! 😃
bitter willow
Looking at IntenseNerdRage's pic, have they ever released that weapon xmog in legion?
bitter willow
I gotta go get that
sweet kettle
you cant anymore
bitter willow
Mage Tower is still up sometimes, no?
sweet kettle
you cant do the challenges
vocal nimbus
Nay
vocal nimbus
Only skins not available are the MT skins
daring marlin
lol
ember arrow
This dude wants to challenge himself by last xpansion challenges
ivory barn
And the +15 wasn't obtainable either
raw gyro
gray wolf
🤔
vocal imp
stacking 3 IP good
last elm
@sick sentinel This is Awesome!
little rain
The duration increase on DC doesn't stack, the value of each subsequent DC trait is deminished well beyond the point of being usable @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Oh I know that
Just stating I have 2 pieces at 370 after being stuck with 340's since the start of the expac
oblique garnet
Oh damn race change is 25€?
steel mauve
untrue, extra DC's are actually really strong dps aoe wise, its not unusable, but thats literally all it is, is a big aoe dps boost
sick sentinel
Yeah it is @oblique garnet, I've been waiting so long to race change because I'm working again
little rain
If you're looking for a dps increase you're better suited with an Archive imo than a 2nd DC imo as it serves you literally no other purpose than thunderclap dmg.
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Gonna switch to belf FeelsBadMan
sick sentinel
I was belf once, hated it. Sticking to maghar for.....chest reasons
oblique garnet
Aoe purge>All except maybe dark iron
The Highmountain racial is good in couple of things except it shares dr
sick sentinel
Fuk purge, we are warriors not cowards
steel mauve
its true that there are better dps options, but theres also a difference between unusable and better options
vocal imp
what about 3 bfi 2 av and 3 Iv
vocal imp
i have a dc peice too i use dc om mythic and aoe pulls and bfi on boss fight
gear switch
ancient reef
are the 8.1 changes just 5% to vanguard and ip off gcd
lusty grotto
you are overall nerfing your defensiveness if you remove DC @vocal imp
you do understand that Demo Shout is a big deal for our mitigation
right?
the longer it's up, the better
if you remove DC, you can no longer extend it
there's absolutely 0 reason to remove it on any occation
silk mortar
World quest 🤔
vocal imp
ok is theres a addon that keeps up with group interrupts do any of you know what it's called
tulip matrix
plain ice
viscid hatch
Hey protties join our meme EU Heroic Uldir Warriors only run thanks
lusty grotto
too bad it's EU 😦
viscid hatch
sry we thought na had no chance of going past taloc
lusty grotto
sounds reasonable
sick sentinel
?
daring marlin
@steel mauve What’s your opinion on callous reprisal?
steel mauve
decent if stacked, and mostly in aoe but single target there are better options, especially if you go with a hybrid, like IF or BfI that is both dmg reduction and dps
astral crystal
the dmg reduction component doesnt stack, only the dmg boost
steel mauve
ah ya thats right i forgot thats one of those weird ones
astral crystal
generally, 'unique' effects on primaries dont stack
generic things like flat increase in damage does
steel mauve
the dmg reduction is still decent which gains strength in aoe, 1.5% gains a lot the more mobs you are tanking
astral crystal
imo 1.5% dmg reduction is kind of crap because it forces you to cast revenge more often just to keep it up
idk how it is in m+ though, never bothered with it
sick sentinel
its up for every group which is good %1.5 yet archive would be better you wont really need damage reduction
Well this has been "fun" week for m+. Did a TD/WM with pugs. Both times, nobody can understand that sanguine is an affix
Or that mass/chain pulling is not a viable strat since we are dealing with necro
supple path
Yeah, the number of DPS pulling the next pack before previous one is dead is too damn high this week.
daring marlin
fuck man
This next week is gonna be hell. I wanna push hard but I also wanna gear alts via ulduar timewalking.
supple path
What ilvl is the timewalking raid loot again?
zinc mauve
i want to push hard next week as well
but i have: 1 exam, 3 final projects, 5 other major assignments
chrome falcon
if that is your only uldir piece, wear it in uldir
the piece on the left is far superior
laser matrix is super bad
chrome falcon
yeah you have nutty azerite gear lol
dull pilot
nuty as in bad ?
oblique garnet
Had to switch to my dk for mythrax feelsbadman : (
shut summit
@astral crystal @steel mauve callous dmg reduction part does stack btw
dull pilot
not think the 2 i have on are better?
shut summit
Don't really change much just fyi
dull pilot
so swop eye with blockaids ?
sick sentinel
Block/rezan work well because the haste from rezan lets the cards swap faster
sick sentinel
So long as u have rezan + whatever u currently have, both have its benefits
dull pilot
k
sick sentinel
im just glad i have my rings at 385 now, all i have left to be full 385 is my back/gloves/weapon
thats excluding my chest/trinket tho
sick sentinel
I at least dont have to farm AP anymore since im 33
sick sentinel
understandable
dull pilot
legion ap farm burned me out
merry bane
just hit 31 myself
sick sentinel
Hopefully Tuesday gives me the tos shoulders so I can double archive
sick sentinel
Nope, higher amount of strength
Which contributes to parry increase, vanguard and more damage
dull pilot
i could get duble arch but i would have to drop breace or dc
not sure thats wiorth it
sick sentinel
Since u have the Heroic chest, just do mythic mother with a pug and hope it drops, we have a low pool of items that drop from her
dull pilot
farm mother every week mythic with the guild she dont love me
daring marlin
well shit bro
sick sentinel
Makes sense
sick sentinel
They saw u have the tos shoulders, they can't let u be op
tardy oak
hows prot looking for 8.1 bois?
dull pilot
strong
sick sentinel
That but more that we can block physical ranged attacks
So dungeons like ML/TD as an example will be eaiser
dull pilot
i was never prio but good
tardy oak
and we get more hp?
sick sentinel
Yeah another buff to vanguard again
tardy oak
it lasts more or less charging?
dull pilot
15 sec cd lasts 6 secs
sick sentinel
16 second base
dull pilot
haste ofc red that
sand egret
soft kindle
@tardy oak what nerf?
sick sentinel
you mean bonestorm?
dull pilot
thats geting buffed
sick sentinel
that got nerfed,
tardy oak
marrowrend getting nerfed
tardy oak
and less stamina
sick sentinel
@sand egret if ur talking about me saying sb having a 16 sec cd, thats because im talking about 8.1 sb not rn
tardy oak
Veteran of the Third War Stamina increased by (was60%, now its getting: 10%) and Armor increased by 15%..
distant crystal
the only thing nerf-life in the prot changes is the cap on extending int shout
everything is is str8 buffs
tardy oak
from 60% stamina increase to 10% is not a nerf?
distant crystal
it's not 60 to 10
idk where you got that
vanguard is currently 40% stam 50% armor, it will be 45 and 55 in 8.1
tardy oak
soft kindle
Yar
tardy oak
xD
soft kindle
They gave the passive to frost and unholy and changed it to 10% for them
for blood it's still 60%
You could check that on the ptr yourself, or go to the dk discord
ember arrow
@tardy oak lol
soft kindle
The only current nerf to Bdk is to bonestorm
because it's a tad on the broken side atm
soft kindle
but it's still probably going to be p strong
soft kindle
Isn't it slightly more armor than before with BS up
soft kindle
Figured so
soft kindle
Yeah, I knew it was minuscule
ember arrow
ye wotn
daring marlin
The one where you dip
ember arrow
but its effectively the same
distant crystal
idk it seems to just go away without reflecting things p often in M+
ember arrow
if you dont reflect anything it lasts 5 sec
distant crystal
i'd rather it either didn't reflect or it reflects 1 spell but you still get the 5sec
ember arrow
shoulda played legion
distant crystal
doesn't seem too reliable
distant crystal
😐
daring marlin
@sick sentinel My second weekly chest at the start of BFA gave me skyscorcher.
Imagine the joy on my face until I realized it was the wrong pair.
Stupid shared icon!
sick sentinel
I'm fortunate enough to have never seen it above 340, and rn I'm ok with that since I have both 370 versions from emissary
supple path
Spell reflect as a -50% magic damage reduction CD felt like such a core part of the kit in legion, yeah, that just has no replacement now.
soft kindle
every tank lost a lot of magic mit
supple path
Except the tanks who are self-healing based heal regardless of damage type, so they relatively lost a lot less of their "deal with magic damage kit"
soft kindle
those same tanks lost a lot of self healing too
outer dew
lots of magic damage atm is either spell reflectable / kickable / dodgeable / kiteable
lol
oblique garnet
Constant spam of energy lashes : )
oblique garnet
XD
opaque hull
prot warriors want one uldir specific trait right?
daring marlin
No
normal trellis
Are there any prot warriors streaming?
sick sentinel
sense streams raid and m+ time to time
dont know any other who is doing end-game content
flint herald
How does Prot Warrior feel on the PTR? Has anyone had a go on how it feels?
Tryna decide on Prot Warrior vs Prot Paladin
For 8.1 onwards
prisma crane
hey so with new nerfs, you think fetid is easier than Zek?
karmic viper
beffudled gaming does a good job for streaming keys on youtube
shut summit
@prisma crane wouldn't be surprised if so
prisma crane
thanks, just wondering. Playing with a much more casual guild, some of the Zek mechanics are proving rough for them and Fetid is pretty patchwerk comparatively
got Zek to sub 30% a few times, but constant roster swaps make it rougher
oblique garnet
Fetid is a joke now
prisma crane
yea no idea lol
but i figure one is more straightforward than the other
and a new kill would be a big morale booster for some of these guys
meanwhile im just content on 6 hr total raid wks ha
lusty grotto
hey
calm down guildford
lol
this one is hella good
wtf did they increase parrot's sizes? they look better now, it doesn't look like my characters are doing ye olde lesbian chokehold on them
lusty grotto
mmm
lusty grotto
ty sir
daring marlin
sand egret
😑
sand egret
😐
lusty grotto
i forgot the selfie cam existed, so there's your present 😃
boreal summit
hey guys
flint herald
Do prot warriors have any "streams" where all the big prot warriors come together and make a video together? Like how the Balance Discord makes their own Moonkin one, and Prot PAladin makes theirs?
cinder nova
Does uh
final mist
It exists, there's just like 7 years in-between every episode. 
final mist
it's Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start
cinder nova
Sal you goon
cinder nova
willow ember
ty
vivid mulch
look up heavystyle on stormrage
pst me and tell me what u wanna know and i can help a lot for prot
sick sentinel
He's 1/8, cut him some slack
outer dew
not even top 100 world
sick sentinel
He's top 100 in his heart
astral crystal
Welcome to the daytime special needs nursery channel known as protection, heavystyle, i will be whispering you shortly to learn your secrets
steel mauve
and that one kill as prot he had never surrender
stone crag
true
onyx vessel
idk man i think hes trying to get noticed by the mods or something
sick sentinel
He got noticed by us, and that's all he's getting and no more
But aside from being noticed, I can't wait for the affixs 2 weeks from now, but of course it's paired with fort because why wouldn't it be
sick sentinel
It ain't easy this Tuesday coming up
Dps don't see when u say "let me get aggro first"
All they see is "I'll kiss ur ass if ur dps is first"
And also, "what do you mean slow my dps down for burst? I have time burst"
sick sentinel
I'mma need a new foot up the ass shoes for pugs
daring marlin
👞
sick sentinel
Like I know it's free this Tuesday but because I primarily tank for pugs only (might as well be called the....Pug champ) it's going to be a headache
sick sentinel
That removes the pugness of it all
oblique garnet
I need some way to convince my rl that my warrior is better for mythrax than my 370 dk😪
daring marlin
lol
oblique garnet
He wants the bdk because of the grip
sick sentinel
Put a gun to his head if he's a rl friend
oblique garnet
He isnt
astral crystal
you can just have the raid jump on the magical rock
sick sentinel
Then shit on the carpet idk
oblique garnet
So now do you go outside in the real world and do stuff?
oblique garnet
Yeah but having so much free time is boring
sick sentinel
I already do that, play wow and still have free time
finite gull
What kind of trinkets are people running for keystones?
oblique garnet
Syringe and gore
finite gull
Hmm, I have a heroic syringe dont have core, only have blockades/rezans 😦
oblique garnet
Syringe and rezans then unless you feel the need for additional survivability
zinc mauve
i fucking hate grevious
so much
not necrotic, grevious
the fact it doesnt stop while you're eatting at least is absolute cancer
unless you have an offhealer to help you while your healer gets mana, forget about it
oblique garnet
Grievious is w/e i the fact that i have to kite because necrotic exists
Slows so many dungeons down
zinc mauve
and kiting in some dungeons is way harder than it needs to be
oblique garnet
Just get mage buns and youre fine with grievious
zinc mauve
even with mage buns its still awful
if its 5 stacks that is
or 4 i think thats the max now
zinc mauve
i didnt play it the last days so i didnt get to experience it
my group was tired of hte cancer
the worst part abou this week is that it's necrotic + sanguine
so when you inevitably have to kite, you have to avoid the pools as well
oblique garnet
Soothe my man
zinc mauve
you can soothe that?
oblique garnet
Yup you can
oblique garnet
Thats why i ran with druid+combo on raging week
zinc mauve
combo is my favorite class
zinc mauve
Kappa
oblique garnet
Dont judge me its 6 am
zinc mauve
6 am huh? perfect time to push keys imo
oblique garnet
Why would i be making tofu sad?
Its just friendly competition
Which he will lose on
@outer dew Btw i made arrangements to get push group going next wednesday from 9am(when reset comes) 8)
daring marlin
lul tofu
daring marlin
ADMIT IT
I'm goofing around with arms on ptr
striking the anvil is fun to play with
slam? what's that?
outer dew
lmao
oblique garnet
Its a shame we cant have a proper competition since youre both na and alliance
inland mesa
anyone solo run orbs on g'huun left side? they're asking me to do it and I haven't tried to solo one before, need tips
amber siren
wait why would it be a waste without freedom? you can easily do it as long as there's a gate
outer dew
i charge->leap->charge
inland mesa
where's the gate usually, 2nd half?
soft kindle
Because you're going to get rng rooted and it's not worth it, just run with 2 people
oblique garnet
On mythic or hc?
lusty grotto
yea @inland mesa, i usually portal -> intervene (or charge in arms) to the middle pimple, leap as far as i can, then intervene/charge to the one that is left of the thing you click
that's for left side of course
amber siren
rng rooted? it's the same pathing every time, it's just muscle memory
inland mesa
mythic, i was on a monk before so i jsut transcendence halfway and took gate
oblique garnet
If the gateway is in middle and youre takingg it to get to the end just charge leap and charge to the gateway
lusty grotto
usually the portal is like right in front of the middle one which is the first one you intervene or charge
if the lock placed it right in the middle
inland mesa
they put them down the 2nd half of it apparently
so i would pick up, intervene, leap to gate?
lusty grotto
what the fuck lol
lusty grotto
why would they put the gate there
lusty grotto
uhhhhh
oblique garnet
For the non warriors
oblique garnet
Isnt it more?
oblique garnet
Oh yeye
soft kindle
both sides
inland mesa
you have to do 9 orb runs with both groups, so some people jsut do all 20 touch it, and everyone touchs it twice expect one group
lusty grotto
🤷
soft kindle
It's too rng for my liking without pally freedom. Usually better off just running with a partner
oblique garnet
Wdym rng?
soft kindle
unless you specifically save ava for it, and use it to break the root
oblique garnet
The root has a pattern no?
soft kindle
The roots don't have a set or specific pathing, it's totally random and they can spawn where you can't see
no
lusty grotto
i haven't done mythic g'huun so idk, but hc it's hella easy to solo
oh
it has roots
jesus
i guess arms has an easier way with those
with BS (and if they spec avatar which idk if they do)
at least in that fight
soft kindle
Relatively, yeah, as long as you're not an idiot and padding you can save BS for it and cancelaura it incase you need it
THey don't take avatar, nah
inland mesa
avatar wouldn't help would it, or does it prevent root too, i thought it just broke
cuz if i get caught in a root i won't have the following intervene
soft kindle
The talent they normally take is an execute style talent, In for the kill, which gives a butt load of haste when the thing you hit is below 20%
it breaks the root
soft kindle
and if you're fast with it you can use it to break it
lusty grotto
i do HC uldir as arms
soft kindle
yeah, not worth losing iftk when p3 is all that matters
lusty grotto
right
soft kindle
I see so many people asking for help or advice and their guild is just throwing away pulls to them getting rooted like, just run 2 man groups
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
I just want to tank that fight myself on the warrior😪
inland mesa
is it still recommended to get up to 10% vers for mythic g'huun too?
oblique garnet
?
oblique garnet
Same
inland mesa
was just for smoothing the mongo melee
wide pebble
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hearty portal
From someone that has been out of the loop and have stopped playing BFA for quite a while back. Is there any good coming changes to prot warriors that might encourage me to come back?
ionic fern
Pins @hearty portal
hearty portal
I mean, so thats pretty much a no?
tight tree
@hearty portal IP off GCD and small number buffs
hearty portal
Only thing I see is the slight buff to stamina and armor
tight tree
Not enough to be more viable
hearty portal
Nothing to address the rage problem? single target vs multi
tight tree
I mean these changes are barely hotfix-worthy, i was expecting significant class rework for 8.1 but no
hearty portal
Yeah last time I checked in, which was 3 months ago
It was still just these changes
tight tree
Nothing with rage. IP is nice QuL change but not enough mechanically for warriors to be desireable for m+/prog raids
hearty portal
I was sure they were reworking mastery but, If this is all that the patch brings. I'm wont even try it
tight tree
They dropped this mastery change, just added it back.
I pretty much stopped tanking on prot, just doing PvP on him
Result not worth the effort, literally any other tank brings more to group/raid
tight tree
My opinion, you try for yourself ofc if you want. I am salty and dissapointed
hearty portal
Nah the changes aren't enough for me to even test it out. I know how its going to feel
hearty portal
Didnt play legion ^^ so I wouldn't know 😛
tight tree
Well overall, tanking is no fun, on any class. There is a possibility i drop it altogether, just not feeling that important or interesting overall
Uldir is boring for tanks, nothing to do really
and m+ is just annoying mess
gaunt dawn
I’m finding prot warrior engaging atm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
And next tier is more involved for tanks
tight tree
I cant help but compare to Legion. One can tolerate only so much pruning and guildies jokes about how warriors are trash 😉 It is okay to play but i guess i lost motivation.
gaunt dawn
Warriors are trash if you have no gear
Theres no denying that it has a higher min gear ‘requirement’ than others
But in a similar vein as are a fair few dps specs
Getting meme’d is one thing, but not doing anything personally to combat it is on you
My guild meme’d about tank threat at the start of the xpac and i had to explain how threat worked in bfa
Suddenly it stopped
If they feel warriors are trash and you’re above 370. If you’re feeding into it by playing trash. That’s you
When you have a somewhat ok ilvl on a prot warrior they’re pretty tanky dud
With a good load of dps
soft kindle
8.1 prot will be comparable postilion wise to antorus
tight tree
I stopped tanking on warrior when i was way below 370. I just dont have wish to prove anything to anyone, i done it in Nighthold, i done it in BRF, dont want to do it again. That is not on me, that is on Blizzard and their shitty class design team. I am not great warrior but i am good, but i just dont want to do this dance again, there is way more fun games to play, way more fun things to do in WoW.
I am at that point that i dont just want to play viable tank, i want to play GREAT tank that have way more tools than game disegners allows us to have.
gaunt dawn
So you stopped before you got geared 🤔
tight tree
Pretty much. Feeling squishy is one thing, losing utility and clunky rotation is another, and i also got tired from the game a bit i guess? That is not only warr issue, it is also personal issue, i am salty and dissapointed with 8.1 changes, as i said.
So i may see things in grim way
They could do so much more and i dont think i care anymore
hot locust
8.1 is just about everything i wanted minus a little more rage gen
gaunt dawn
So why would you then project it on someone who’s looking to come back?
hot locust
what more did you want?
gaunt dawn
Literal misinformation bot
tight tree
I did not, i explained to him that i was biased
gaunt dawn
Yeah thats not how people read thinga
tight tree
If i did i am sorry, not my intention 😭
gaunt dawn
They see an ‘informed’ response as one that is aimed at their question
Not you venting
tight tree
@hot locust I wanted more m+ utility, diverse and viable talents, better ways to handle bleeds/magic maybe.
gaunt dawn
Nobody has that
tight tree
IP is huge change yes. One that should be there from the start.
hot locust
we're not any less equipped to deal with bleeds/magic first off.
compared to other tanks.
hot locust
talents are a shit show i agree but there is nothing to be done unless they get rid of AM all together
As for utility... I got nothing on that one. Wtb warbringer.
Also... whats got you over here this time of day @gaunt dawn ? :P
tight tree
All their changes are hotfix-worthy, they should just have them in instantly. Instead they hype them for 8.1, like they are something big. Overall i have a feeling that they do not care, so why should i 🤷
ionic ridge
The only thing worth mentionning is shoot shoot being blockable for 8.1 imo
hot locust
IP change is deceptively strong.
Im not at all surprised they wanted ptr testing on it first.
ionic ridge
True that, but most people only think it's a qol change
Do you think it will make AM cdr go through the roof @hot locust ?
tight tree
In the end it is all just feels, i dont feel like playing prot at all, and other tanks are better but ultimately still boring. I guess i cant get over Legion rockstar tank status, and that is fine. Many other games/activities around. Sorry for being negative guys, i will bring my rants somwhere else from now on.
hot locust
Not through the roof, but it's significant for sure.
@tight tree to be fair, I definitely get the feeling of tanking being less than it was in terms of strength. You aren't alone there, it's just a matter of when you can expect what level changes.
ionic ridge
I think they nerfed DC's max duration because of IP being off gcd but I'm not sure about that
bitter fable
Revenge. For each target hit the duration of your shieldblock is increased by 0.3 Seconds
hot locust
I honestly think overall demo uptime will only slightly decrease because of that.
bitter fable
Devastator buffs your next IP amount bei 10%
ionic ridge
Cool that way it can block the fingernail from that little slap you got hit by
gaunt dawn
I lurk 👀 @hot locust
hot locust
Fair enough! 😄
cosmic magnet
Any news about the potentialy new mastery on the 8.1 ?
cosmic magnet
Yes 😃 But do you know why they won't change our bad mastery ?
hot locust
Not enough dev time for a new one probably
No way to know for sure without talking to them.
cosmic magnet
Ok thanks
tulip pond
Is there a cap how much a crit block can reduce dmg, like how armor caps at 85 % physical DR?
hot locust
same as armor 85%
tulip pond
Aight
hot locust
meaning your block cap for increasing crit block value is 42.5 obviously 😛
I dont have anywhere near that anyways in Mythic Uldir though, even with a 390 shield.
36%, so still a ways off.
Though multiple BFI stacks bring that closer, that varies so it isn't really a constant.
tulip pond
Do ?? level bosses require more block rating? I have like 46 % block when I afk in Dazar'alor
gaunt dawn
Scaling K values 😢
hot locust
^
gaunt dawn
You’re never going to ‘cap’ on relevant content
hot locust
how effective your armor is per point (thus block as well) is based on the difficulty content you are in
tulip pond
Does it scale between raid difficulties as well?
hot locust
new feature brought to you by the "lets make tanks scale less ludicrously" crew in BFA.
Yes
tulip pond
Ah okay, that explains then. Ty for answers
gaunt dawn
Instead of making things hit exponentially harder make you prevent less
hot locust
I'm 50/50 on it.
gaunt dawn
Stops dps getting clapped
I mean they’re going to die but it lowers the punishment level of that scenario, which is also the same scenario as a tank without mit
It’d be akin to taking a hit in antorus with 5m health, but melee values were half
End result is the ‘same’ on the tank
But less in terms of mana spent from healers as its not a gigantic game of ping pong and means their spells dont need to scale exponentially with health and hits
hot locust
My only grievance with it is having to check it and remind myself the difference in power going into new content.
gaunt dawn
And how its not communicated 🙃
hot locust
What works to leave you healthy in heroic, isn't necessarily the same even though the damage values are the same.
gaunt dawn
Same with any of the bfa changes
signal plover
It's keeps things spicy in the bedroom
chilly brook
The thing with prot warrior on ptr is that IP isn’t really any more strong than it is now as far as actual values are concerned but what is more powerful is your general scaling on top of probably taking even less damage because of Vanguard changes. And you can keep IP up more consistently when you need it because you’re not waiting for a gcd.
Not like it really matters, all that matters is: “are we in a better position or nah?”
primal crypt
I just want to know if we're viable yet
chilly brook
I wouldn’t know if we’re viable or not anymore I uninstalled
lusty grotto
hey guys did they nerf ip to 1 sec cd? i heard our mastery was deleted
yikes too early to troll griff yamo
soft kindle
Can prot tank normal? or do I need to roll BrM for that
lusty grotto
haha
primal crypt
Griff knows whats up