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So base shield slam + BFI dmg x % from punish and heavy
remember though, its multiplicative, so it's not as much as you would think
Right
Punish and HR still a dps loss
Overall yeah
hmm hmm
losing itf?
oh, I thought you meant they were taking it out, was gonna cry
we're just faux-napkin-theorycrafting
Shame theyβre killing reinforced plating
YEAH A SHAME
Buffing the duration to 10 seconds would be phat
Haste is our best dps stat, which effects every thing including cd's, like avatar, which AM also effects along with demo shout, which BV turns into a dps cd
plssir
wat
if reinforced had a longer duration that shit would be amazing in m+
5 seconds meme
dont you stack every time you block tho?
Any suggestions for trait choices? I have 385 helmet with DC/Dagger in the Back and 385 shoulders with DC/Swirling Sands. Should I roll with 2x DC or swap one of the DC's to Swirling Sands or Dagger in the Back? BLoodmallet doesn't include Prot War and Icy Vein guide doesn't include non spec specific traits for 1st ring.
gonna asume that you have no other options
any trait not listed in IV is absolutely bad for prot
it's not that it doesn't list spec specific traits
it doesn't list bad traits
No, i dont have any other 385 choices. The option would be to skip the 385 helmet for 375 (got 4th ring) HC Mother helmet
your options are dps traits so
bloodsport is gonna be nice after the IP comes off the GCD, i hate not having to attack because I need IP up
Which brings more damage for the raid monk or war buff?
lol?
mystic touch is amazing
that's a weird question to be asking here
have both lol
erm, you can scroll 7% bttle shout but not Monk debuff so I guess monk wins out if there is no work around except picking either.
I play both just there is no other monk for our raid team so I was wondering which one I should pick.
play DH
Our other war might not be playing either.
Ez
If the buff is your reasoning go monk since you get get the 7% AP scroll.
Cool cool
@eager phoenix what's your 3rd trait btw?
but if you want to actually play alittle, go warrior. π
I like war more than monk
so play warrior, and fuck whatever the raid needs lol
I actually get to choose things to press then just always pressing isb.
@eager phoenix go 2x DC imo
@lusty grotto The 385 helmet has Resounding protection/Vampiric Speed and 375 Mother helm has Resounding Protection/ Impassive Visage
Oh, I have Vectic archive chest 375 (no 385 option yet, just a bunch of stashed 370 ones)
Archive/Gutripper/Resounding is what I rock on the Vectic chest
Yeah, but before I got the 385 DC helmet from weekly today I ran 3xgutripper so thats why. Wanted to try it out
it might push your RA to crit
i don't think you would gain anything defensive over the two
Thats not a bad thing
I only raid HC so my main concern is m+ performance!
it might be a bad thing if he doesn't want Crit RA
havent been to concerned with RA
No its not nimchip shut the fuck up
ugh
Double archive dc in m+ is very nice
Just get 2 385 gladeas izzi
Im sure I have some 370 chest options I can have a look at but since my guild only runs HC raids Im kinda gated behind 370 unless weekly gives me better! π
Why
Lurkers will believe it
ah ha! the double bait
Very bad, counterproductive behaviour
ive been a counter productive boy
Nimchimp needs 2x Archive and 3x gutrippet
i actually do have 2x archive but they are lower ilvl
so 2x BFI it is π
or rather 270 without that last 5 ilvl circle
i should run M Mother :\
tough finding a group that doesn't fuck me over past Taloc
we extended our raid lockout, I'll never get that helm π’
mythrax
YIKESSSS
Welp
only 2 days a week and we didn't want to take chances with less and less people showing up
hahaha
I have like 4 mother helms
yeah, looking alright, hoping to get a kill tonight
Taloc 50%
Lmao
ive killed mother M 8 times and bonus rolled everytime
This guy tofu lol
π’
No vectis chest or trinket
what a bean sprout
all the other plate wearers have the helm
I got the helm on my first mother kill : ^)
@oblique garnet same. Then i quit
Savage
Lol
My wife got it on her pally
Couldnt give it to me because ilvl
She only came in for that one raid because we were short a healer
Literally got her pally carried for a little extra heals
hahaha
i only have 1 token this week goddamn it
seal*
and im debating pugging vectis again for syringe
decisions decisions
hc vectis, m mother or use it on m taloc for 2h
Hey, i've got a question about mythic temple of sethrallis this week (with necrotic affix) how are we supposed to handle the room with the orbs? all of those mobs give necrotic stacks so you get alot of stacks rly fast there :p
well, all went went well till that one room :p
gotta call audibles "HOLD UP TEAM, WERE GOING THIS WAY"
Left abd right side
pray for orb clone bug
necrotic fam
hardly doable imo ^^
run with a monk, have him rop you
maybe with a speed pot then?
5000 IQ strat
We have nothing in there that we want anyway
Im bugged for some reason this week
Everytime i get a shrine or seth key it auto deletes from my bags
I dont get it
I thought shrine wouldnt be that bad this week
hmmmmmmmmmm
you thought? go on...
shrine and KR are auto deletes for me
sry guise im a pussy
No but seriously they have nerfed all the aids adds on shrine
Its definitely harder on tyrannical
i needs that underrot this week for sure
Shrine's got some annoying positioning with sanguine, but honestly it feels more annoying than hard this week.
Though I suppose that is sort of the motto of sanguine/necrotic
heh sanguine isn't as impactful when you're kiting all the time HEK HEK HEK
gotta love that mini heart attack when you kite then LoS then step out of that corner to see mobs right at you
"how the fuck did they get here so fast"
kiting is interesting and fun gameplay
jk i play with nameplates
yes it reminds me of quad kiting, back when i was not a tank
in another game
where i was a druid
we would be fucked without that 90% slow
π€‘
i guess we could race change to nightborne HEH
Is everything you say a meme, Nim?
i'm not sure nowadays to be honest
That's fair
does prot warrior do more damage than dh in m+?
depends on the player, I'd say
Yes
β yes
wait are we talking havok or vdh?
Dat sustained AoE
Prot does is thicc
Havoc vs Prot
vdh yea
Dps*
...
are you admiting your defeat at eyebeamhelicopterlords?
Stop memeing SINISTER
Eyebeam is mmmmm delicious
but have you ever seen the grace of an eyebeam helicopter? the beauty? the pure class.
I kinda wish eyebeam could be more like the old blizzard
when they go WIOAHDOIAHDAHFIOAJOIJFAIJFGKEEPMOBSINPLACE in discord or twitch
Where you could just stand and rechannel it over and over again
And I wish using it made DH's entire screen go black to simulate how they're blind now that they shot lasers out of their corneas.
so fathoms, 370 syringe, 370 rezan's, 370 lion's strength, 380 button; according to tankadin sims my best would be button/fathoms for ST, would that hold true for warrior as well or is the crit/dot from syringe enough to compete with fathoms?
i know button is most likely a lock for pure ST
tankadin sims? π€
prot pal
fathoms should be the top to be sure
fathoms only loses to 385 trinkets dps-wise
(or better)
yeah that's what i was leaning toward, wasn't sure if the dot/crit from syringe would be enough to be competitive, i run fathoms/syringe on the pally because i haven't gotten a button on him yet
but lucked into a 380 on my warrior a week or two ago so been using that for ST
i mean syringe is amazing
for pure dps i can see how button would be good at 380
it hits for a shitton
yeah
as opposed to fathoms + button?
i was hoping syringe would have at least rolled a socket last night but eh
yeah my gore's on the dk π¦
Tons of dmg
my gore is 360 :\
now if only i could replace this servant splitter...
i probably scrapped it though
nope nvm still in my bags 365
should scrap it π¦
why is parry chance different for "current target"?
we need context for this one
because level difference more than likely
my target is mythrax
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
i hate you
but hey you dont have fathoms TEEHEE
TEEHEE
is there a ranking somwhere of tank single target dps?
so sad, we dont exist
i mean its pretty well established that warrs with in the AOE fun fest along with DHs but wasnt sure what single targets looked lik
well, prot shouldn't rank too high ST
Yeah, our ST is lacking
as far whos better than who.. it's kind of impossible to know at this point
Rage flow isn't as great
my understanding was that we were low, and even lower if we are actively trying to mitigate instead of dumping rage into revenge
but i dont have anything to point at when co-tank says warrs should be outdpsing paladins
Just devastate harder lul
hmm
i dont know if paladins should outdps warriors
well if they are sera, you're kinda fucked
he does run sera
Yup
yeah of course you're not gonna outdps him
Sera will crush lol
ST i mean
^
if i dont have avatar for hero and he uses sera i run into threat issues
what a dick though
"hey bruv why dont you outdps me @ ST" > runs sera
if i were you, id be prepotting like crazy
much money
talking shit every time you pass him.
hmm but those are easy herbs
ah ok
in that case
you need to talk shit harder
LOL
i joke
anyone here doing mythic Zul and have a preference on tanking zul or crawgs?
got an OS DH kiting crawgs and i have to tip toe during P1 which is zzzz. Then p2 i grab 6+ crawgs while on zul. As soon as i dive out and get bubbled they all go to the paladin next
basically as soon as the tanks have to tank hard, he doesnt have crawgs
dunno its its kiting theory, or that hes OS and just needs practice, or what. Its not like i cant Tclap while on zull. Need that demo uptime and rage etc.
Warr is rly strong for Crawg Bois so if there's any other options u could try swapping there.
DH prolly gets trucked by boss tho
rofl
necrotic is so god damn fucking retarded
how the fuck are you supposed to rank ranged mobs?
another reason why dks are superior
fuck this game
you rank them in order of difficulty
i just tanked temple
the ones with the power shot
they don't move
they just lagg onto their power shot
i would rank those as pretty difficult
sorry, im just making fun of a typo, but yea, never been a fan of tons of ranged mobs, particularly ones that dont target the tanks
much easier to hold aggro on the crawgs
plus better equipped to deal with them
shield block oP
well thatβs BFA for you
losing certain ranged mobs means dick if your idiot party doesnβt as well
wtf tank pull them out of sanguine lul
Bears are pretty nice for sanguine weeks at least
@sick sentinel What was the +
TYPHOOOOOOOOOOON
+8 i'm just new with tank atm ll
keep up the grind
Ah, yeah - it's not that bad. TBH temple on any week but tyrannical is pretty ez
you got this
might aswell just log onto my blood dk lmao but my warrior is 375 ilvl atm
first boss is the only annoying fuck on tyrannical too
people say third but pshhhhh
I like it in the center.
if you tank him in a corner do all the pillars spawn on one side
honest question
how do people add santa hats to their shit
or do they just use Photoshop
it looks shopped
i can tell because i've seen quite a few shops in my time
we could analyze the pixels
but for real i will make a Santa Chef Nimchip avatar tonight
the question is where's blade to enjoy that work of art
anyway back on topic, sethralis is a no go on sanguine + necrotic week. destroy your keys
Just grip out of sanguine 4head
eye room with necrotic burr
powershot is np, can just LoS them back in Africa
and when i mean africa i mean like Africa distance to the nearest LoS point
its eating it
uh huh
Da fuck is going on here
a modern Classic
Do Doo do do do doo
you lied filmstrips, there are no girls in this
its the vocalist
what the
i like despacito, do you have anymore like despacito?
but wait, i havent even mentioned the sequel
electric boogaloocito
or amazon's product
nim
which i won't name cause Hey Google and Cortana might get jealous
you want a santa hat
nah don't worry i got it covered
nimchimp at it again
yeah same
but industrial-y
The Refused tho
yo you fuck with cursed earth at all
i actually havent listend to cursed earth
i like this
Are the mods just dead
Someone brez thyme
I think he quitterino
someone said paladin
I miss thyme
F
F
F
I mean I'll talk Tofu pizza memes all day
don't worry we will have plenty of action the 11th
But idk what the hell that was
butter. chicken. pizza.
But have you heard of Boost
hey marok streams too
The alfather is a busyboi
true
We need not trouble him
i'm kinda curious about BoM now
thinking ill try some PTR shennanigans later this week
and try 1 DC 2x BoM
dunno where the gear vendor is
anyone have the boost video available?
Broadcasted live on Twitch -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/pakusyo
What are you guys thoughts on Prism of Dark Intensity
242 strength every 3 seconds for 18 seconds
plus mastery
is it your highest ilvl trinket?
and is not competing with Rezan's Jes howler or a similar ilvl blockades?
These are my trinkets atm Prism 360, Rezan 340, Vial 365, Block 355 Syringe 370
use vial and syringe
For what you have? For sure. No reason to ditch the others, though.
Unless you need expulsom.
what would I use it for? just big aoe packs?
So all secondary stats are roughly worth the same. But what is the ratio str : secondary stat? For instance how much better is a 40str gem compared to 40 haste?
its not, a 40 haste gem is better than a str gem
and we dont have stat weights, therefore we cant accurately tell the ratio of stats, just that they are all close together
!pawn
OMEGA
π
I know we don't have stat weight, but was wondering if there was a ballpark number
there isnt
Anyway. Haste better than str for gem? Really? I thought new str was better than all
unless theres a str gem that gives a lot more than 40, haste is better
I'll be damned. Thanks for the info!
if its a 1:1 ratio, haste will be better
in terms of gems
the food is better, because we know that haste isnt worth nearly double the str from feast
so our ballpark i guess is haste is better than str but not double the value
hey nerds, whats up with intercept sometimes not working on enemies?
im not talking about missing LoS or anything, im standing like 15y away from a mob, spamming my hotkey relentlessly but its not doing anything
the second i switch to intercept to an ally it works
oh...
pretty annoying
is there a twig between you and the target?
i havent had that happen, i was about to complain about how some attacks that cannot be intercepted REALLY should be able to
like Severing Axe in the council fight, King's Rest
id kill bitches to be able to intercept that
but this isnt a regular thing?
anyone have any thoughts about devastator in 8.1? i really enjoyed the playstyle in legion.
@steady dragon It just happens every now and then
if you don't die
at least you still get the rage
then go for it
if it completes the content you want to do
roll with it
at this point, i'm considering running ravager for +10 carries
lol
pull big and ravager meme
π
wait are you referring to the thing where you charge something and it uses up a charge and you get the rage, but you dont move?
no
where the charge just doesnt happen
i dunno, maybe im just too close without realising π€·
usuually for me it just happens that my character doesnt move but i still get the rage
Any tips for prot wars kiting out necrotic?
revenge does more damage than ravager
a single revenge
@ember granite get threat and leap my dude
lol
I was afraid that was the only way lol
make friends with a frost mage too
yeah
sad times
Itβs fucking HIGH-larious
ya the dmg on ravager is pretty appalling
just make it last 1 second longer with every thunderclap
scaling infinitely
nothing can go wrong im sure
And pull mobs
UF + BV + AM should be baseline yes
pull a shitton of mobs and intervene->avatar->tclap->demoshout->tclap->X->tclap->X->tclap
doesn'
did tofu just troll everyone?
t work when the teammates are complete morons
Is PROT decent enough in 8.1?
Saw the new PTR notes, looks like some needed buffs were added
hey guys, preach said top end guilds are gearing prot warriors for 8.1, are they good now :^))))))))

lol
lets not take it too far
We all cant be @shut summit can we π
Sense is dead to us ok
Don't get the jokes here
@kindred flint prot is pretty decent now, memes aside, it's just not braindead like brm and bdk
im jk sense ur my hero π’
but guys are the buffs enough so I can finally tank a +5?
it will be ok in the upcoming tier probably
since there's a lot of blockable projectiles and ip off the gcd gives us more fluid playstyle
we are fine right now, buffs are small but they will provide a better experience. Nothing that will make you ezmode tank though, you still will need to know how to play prot
@kindred flint
dude boost is runnign doublegutripper
lel he wants those parses
i mean you dont really need defensive traits when youre kiting this week LOL
/necrotic
I have only done up to sanguine
Ok thanks,. Yah I loved prot legion,. In BFA it just feels so clunky to play
Hopefully the buff will make it more fun
;'/c d5ty4
For ten whole years I have now finally awaken from this azerite rng nightmare.
No longer am I shackled to a 345
good shit buddy
Everything is on a line
OCD INTENSIFIES MORE
I made sure to make my character bars match the right axises
and have no empty space bewteen my bars
Just the size of the character frame is smaller because one would be larger than the other even if they matched
but ty tho
Is prot going to be viable in 8.1?
I know, I spend a whole day on my ui to make sure its straighter than edge
Nope
we gonna be trash
Blade you know what time it is?
oh shit hang on
Please dont say showtime
I literally had to deal with 3 showtimes today on the subway today
still need that santa hat
well all I can hear right now is the sound of Nim dropping the ball
But I did have 1 good showtime but it was not because of their shit performance
More because they performed so bad they got angry when no one wanted to give them money. It is almost like he forgot hes in nyc.
Also thanks to that chest im now exactly at 380
Idk, i dont raid
wont you guys think of the lurkers?
F
I wish legion had FUCKING LEGACY LOOT MODE LOL
personal loot in the previous expacs is beyond cancer
You aint no lurker @zinc mauve, we've seen ur butt here a lot
legion is still current content guise
Prot warrior is already viable, just expert nice for tanks
Kappa @sick sentinel
Don't tell the real lurkers

..sp?
Ah
cmon bro
indeed
i have π¦ fucking alts and reps
huh i just got a 380 version of this with a socket https://www.wowhead.com/item=161376/prism-of-dark-intensity&bonus=4798:1477
@lusty grotto wq week is good for you then
could 1 of yall link me the macros for colossal, intim thunderclap etc
weirdo
xd
what do you need macros for thunderclap for
colossal?
obviously the one shot macro
What's better : 100 str feast or 55 haste food?
Probably strength. Can sim to check
Strength
β π
clearly in the wrong channel π
@sand egret need an explanation about this set of emotes
Meth is instant to me
But yours I get confused every time
Boot soup clap
thats obviously praying hands, not clapping
Boot Soup Pray?
Boot Drink Pray?
@soft kindle I'm too manki for this
Explain his shit
boot tea clap
Dumbass
DOOKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
grats
i do π
oh wait, you can still do old kara
bleh
thought i was special
alas i'm only chef nimchip
Not sure if attunement is still required to summon him.
If it dropped for you in wotlk. You are one of few
Just logged for first time in 7 weeks,read pins about buffs/changes. How do you all feel about Ignore Pain now?
Helping you in high keys?
yeah we did it back in BC
and i deffo remember getting that shield
ehh IP hasn't changed
dev 11 it comes off the gcd
So not live?
it's not the biggest change anyway
i mean some people do feel like it is but all of the changes in conjunction will give us a better experience
is there a date?
dec 11
the 11th day of the 12th month
approved.
i dont know
cute puppernugget > your terrible mog ss's
i'm trying to figure out how did a corgi and a husky did it
seems ruff
huehuehuehue
bbooooo
ok ok πͺ
Yeah, you still need to be attuned to summon Nightbane. @orchid sand
I mean
I think his logic is
that in low low damage
a prot warrior will eventually die
vs other tanks that have regen
ironically we usualy require the least amount of erhps than other tanks too
why my healer die before me
it's really only an "issue" in trivial content
well
means my dps/healers did hteir mechanics
until environmental stuff kills them
what i do dislike is that we cant really clutch anymore, something we could do REALLY well in legion
but w/e
some dude responded to me on reddit with that
lol
Man reddit is the best
you know the general pop takes people on reddit/wowforum as the gospel
Nuclear takes like ive never seen in reddit
so what are your gaming playlists or stations guys?
A+
I listen to Vietnamese music when I play
Because i fucking love Jet Set Radio
I generally listen to Electronic or Dance
if im doing some gay EZ mode runs ill listen to some hype shit
but Symphonic Metal is a good pick too
But it depends what im in the mode for, but I keep a tab open always for that radio station
I have both Spotify and pandora
plus a Final Fantasy Playlist if I really get into it
on a somewhat different note, someone said that pallys can block the damage from DoTs, is this true?
yes
...can we?
i wish our mastery wasnt rng
the first part is being a priest who sucked shit at being a priest mixed with being a bad prot warrior who needs jesus
imagine needing a god to fill in the gaps in your mitigation
With the seraphim talent, they aren't too far from that lol
Hey guys (if you can see the Azerite traits). I recently switched from Arms/Fury to only playing Prot now. and wondered the best Azerite traits/ Trinkets outside of the DC Chestpiece
is it just highest ilvl? what about the trinkets?
thanks for the help!
like this for the howler macro?
testing
ok that is weird the ENTER key quit working in wow
@ivory barn do /use 13 or /use 14
thank you
also, i would advise against macro'ing it with demo shout
there are situations where you'd want to cast it separately
macro'ing two abilities together isn't typically a good thing
encourages poor play
makes sense
especially because they don't share the same CD
Does Defening Crush trait stack?
Do have any confirmation on whether or not the mastery from the ava trait stacks?
https://i.imgur.com/amFdrl7.png hell yeah god tier weapon acquired
vendor it for that sweet 106g
it's highly likely that it does @cinder nova
yo
Hello guys wanted to ask if some1 has unusual idea for shield block weakaura?
how the fuck do you solo orbs for mythic ghuun
if the lock portal is at the halfway point
only have 2 locks sadly
nvm got it lol
sec
Your stats look really different than mine and we have about the same ilvl. also ^no ItF stacks
are you tanking ok with that stats?
There was a time when i had 20%haste base, but im unlucky to get more haste gear, but still haste is my biggest rating with 1100, crit at 1000
Are there any 8.1 stat sheets and info around the discord?
Rotation change recoomendations
That sort of stuff
this reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/a18f7f/consolidated_class_changes_for_81/eany6u9/ lmao
dunno what warrior he was playing but i dont think rage starving is an issue
more like we cant spend enough with IP on gcd
from an m+ perspective btw, never tank raids
Hmm
Can't think of anywhere I felt miserable
If I'm rage starved it's more user error vs class error
yeh probably wasting too many GCDs on IP lol
I don't think I've hit the point where I've felt like my class is what's holding me back
You know
I have a slight problem
I press revenge too much because of m+
So for raids I need to switch my revenge button with ip
To make sure I heal more
8.1 changes are not enough sadly. Still no m+ utility, still gaps in AM, IP scaling still shit, off in one auto. All we got is minor number hotfixes (outside of IP change), and it is ridiculous that we have to wait until 8.1 for them. They could roll them in at any moment.
They just had to delay them for big patch to generate more hype. Commercial interest > class viability and fun. Pathetic really.
Yes i am salty π
Cyka blyat
Thought i would write a reply https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/a18f7f/consolidated_class_changes_for_81/eapfv5r/
yup
Y I K E S
Somewhat valid points, except VDH still imo will be better due to massive glyphs utility, and offensive purge. Both BM and VDH can do at least some damage when kiting, unlike warrior (glyphs, breath of fire, keg smash). BM still better due to ring of peace, portals, healing, removing poisons (massive in some dungeons). In any high key tanks will be kiting, noone can facetank, so at this point warrior advantage is mostly nullified. At least SOME healing is very big in m+, amount of time clutch expel harm saved my ass in m+ is huge. So in my opinion, warriors need small heal (nothing like BDK but something), valuable mob control tool (spammable AOE slow, or purge, or dispel), and better way to handle magic and bleeds. Then, MAYBE, people will consider pushing m+ with it.
Paladins have adequate CD's + a perma slow + a ST stun + Immunities + Blessings for party members + self heal and all that stuff. o.o
To change public perception about warriors, Blizzard need to overbuff them, then tune it down a little over time. No other way.
Pala > warrior in any situation yes
Except they all ping and goody-good and all religious so they stink and i will never play them
pink*
My paladin is hardly pink. π
'In any high key tanks will be kiting, noone can facetank' I think Sense from nurfed said he has done 18 keys and has yet to need to kite as prot warrior
What's bad about kiting tho? π€ Your healer can focus on DPS'ing meanwhile. π€·
Prot dps is higher
Sure, i guess. I'm not gonna fall in a argument of you placing Prot warrior in 2nd tier for overall m+ tanking.
π
healer aoe dps potential isnt even comparable
Your opinion so idm
Its a discussion not an arguement π
Fact is that there's a reason why more people play Prot paladin/VDH in higher keys. And that reason is utility.
Sure, you have a AoE stun
But most higher keys have a DH anyways
Which has 2 stuns
Which makes Warrior stun DR.
Not many players are as good as Sense and have that good healer. I am sure as hell cannot facetank fortified packs, even on 10. But i agree in this point i may be wrong.
Things like this exist for a reason..and this is only 10 & up.
Not saying prot warrior is bad - it's just that other classes are more easier to be excelled at and provide more margin for error.
Yeh i agree with that
But those numbers are misleading when BrM is definitely the 2nd best tank
and has lower representation
where is the rankings of affixes in difficulty?