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lusty grotto
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yea it does go higher

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eh as long as you had RA stacks you were fine πŸ˜›

coral dew
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So base shield slam + BFI dmg x % from punish and heavy

lusty grotto
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remember though, its multiplicative, so it's not as much as you would think

coral dew
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Right

lusty grotto
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need to see if it trumps BV

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obviously at ST

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losing ITF though ugh

steel mauve
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Punish and HR still a dps loss

coral dew
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Overall yeah

lusty grotto
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hmm hmm

inland mesa
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losing itf?

lusty grotto
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i dont know...

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yeah ITF is in the same tier as Punish

coral dew
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I'm thinking in pvp though, possibly smaller scale

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Dont mind me lol

inland mesa
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oh, I thought you meant they were taking it out, was gonna cry

lusty grotto
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we're just faux-napkin-theorycrafting

daring marlin
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Shame they’re killing reinforced plating

lusty grotto
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YEAH A SHAME

daring marlin
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Buffing the duration to 10 seconds would be phat

steel mauve
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Haste is our best dps stat, which effects every thing including cd's, like avatar, which AM also effects along with demo shout, which BV turns into a dps cd

lusty grotto
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  • said Guilford, trolling
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plsnotroll

daring marlin
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@lusty grotto smoll brain nimchip

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340 str is terrible

lusty grotto
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plssir

daring marlin
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bis traits other than one dc is 280 str

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πŸ€”

uneven mason
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wat

lusty grotto
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πŸ€”

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do you need a chef nimchip picture?

daring marlin
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if reinforced had a longer duration that shit would be amazing in m+

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5 seconds meme

worthy dagger
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dont you stack every time you block tho?

eager phoenix
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Any suggestions for trait choices? I have 385 helmet with DC/Dagger in the Back and 385 shoulders with DC/Swirling Sands. Should I roll with 2x DC or swap one of the DC's to Swirling Sands or Dagger in the Back? BLoodmallet doesn't include Prot War and Icy Vein guide doesn't include non spec specific traits for 1st ring.

lusty grotto
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gonna asume that you have no other options

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any trait not listed in IV is absolutely bad for prot

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it's not that it doesn't list spec specific traits

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it doesn't list bad traits

eager phoenix
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No, i dont have any other 385 choices. The option would be to skip the 385 helmet for 375 (got 4th ring) HC Mother helmet

lusty grotto
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your options are dps traits so

worthy dagger
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bloodsport is gonna be nice after the IP comes off the GCD, i hate not having to attack because I need IP up

lime silo
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Which brings more damage for the raid monk or war buff?

lusty grotto
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lol?

daring marlin
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mystic touch is amazing

lusty grotto
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that's a weird question to be asking here

daring marlin
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have both lol

eager phoenix
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erm, you can scroll 7% bttle shout but not Monk debuff so I guess monk wins out if there is no work around except picking either.

lime silo
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I play both just there is no other monk for our raid team so I was wondering which one I should pick.

primal crypt
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play DH

lime silo
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Our other war might not be playing either.

primal crypt
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Ez

crystal creek
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If the buff is your reasoning go monk since you get get the 7% AP scroll.

lime silo
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Cool cool

lusty grotto
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@eager phoenix what's your 3rd trait btw?

crystal creek
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but if you want to actually play alittle, go warrior. πŸ˜›

lime silo
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I like war more than monk

lusty grotto
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so play warrior, and fuck whatever the raid needs lol

lime silo
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I actually get to choose things to press then just always pressing isb.

lusty grotto
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@eager phoenix go 2x DC imo

eager phoenix
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@lusty grotto The 385 helmet has Resounding protection/Vampiric Speed and 375 Mother helm has Resounding Protection/ Impassive Visage

lusty grotto
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nono

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whats your 3rd piece

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what are the traits on your chest

eager phoenix
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Oh, I have Vectic archive chest 375 (no 385 option yet, just a bunch of stashed 370 ones)

lusty grotto
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yeahhh

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it's a toss up between DC or Swirling

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don't bother with dagger

daring marlin
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@manic barn we hate you for having two different 385 dc pieces btw

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❀

eager phoenix
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Archive/Gutripper/Resounding is what I rock on the Vectic chest

daring marlin
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unstable>gutripper

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:O

lusty grotto
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i think i would go swirling maybe

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gotta be careful with it though

eager phoenix
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Yeah, but before I got the 385 DC helmet from weekly today I ran 3xgutripper so thats why. Wanted to try it out

lusty grotto
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it might push your RA to crit

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i don't think you would gain anything defensive over the two

oblique garnet
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Thats not a bad thing

eager phoenix
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I only raid HC so my main concern is m+ performance!

lusty grotto
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it might be a bad thing if he doesn't want Crit RA

eager phoenix
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havent been to concerned with RA

lusty grotto
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yeah archive is trash in M+

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there's no RA in M+

oblique garnet
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No its not nimchip shut the fuck up

lusty grotto
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ugh

oblique garnet
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Double archive dc in m+ is very nice

lusty grotto
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i mean vectis chest he has no choice

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callous reprisal LOL

signal plover
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Just get 2 385 gladeas izzi

ember arrow
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Archive bad in m+???

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Perma 18-20 stacks

eager phoenix
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Im sure I have some 370 chest options I can have a look at but since my guild only runs HC raids Im kinda gated behind 370 unless weekly gives me better! πŸ˜ƒ

lusty grotto
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nah

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don't go lower ilvl

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i'm just baiting :p

ember arrow
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Why

lusty grotto
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because its fun

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and Late

ember arrow
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Lurkers will believe it

lusty grotto
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ah ha! the double bait

ember arrow
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Very bad, counterproductive behaviour

lusty grotto
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ive been a counter productive boy

daring marlin
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nimchip been on the archive hate

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despite it being numero uno in m+

outer dew
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Nimchimp needs 2x Archive and 3x gutrippet

lusty grotto
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i actually do have 2x archive but they are lower ilvl

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so 2x BFI it is πŸ˜ƒ

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or rather 270 without that last 5 ilvl circle

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i should run M Mother :\

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tough finding a group that doesn't fuck me over past Taloc

uneven mason
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dat helm to, HNGGGG

lusty grotto
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Cry

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Still no syringe either

primal crypt
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Horrible helm

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Give it to me

lusty grotto
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Yeah

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I can scrap it

wintry ermine
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we extended our raid lockout, I'll never get that helm 😒

primal crypt
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Give me plz

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oh yikes @wintry ermine

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extended at Ghuun?

wintry ermine
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mythrax

primal crypt
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YIKESSSS

lusty grotto
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Welp

primal crypt
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Why not uh...

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Say you're sick a couple weeks

wintry ermine
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only 2 days a week and we didn't want to take chances with less and less people showing up

primal crypt
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Pug mother lol

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Then come back with the helm

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Problem solved!

wintry ermine
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hahaha

primal crypt
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What's the prog on myth right now for your guild?

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Is it looking hopeful?

outer dew
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I have like 4 mother helms

wintry ermine
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yeah, looking alright, hoping to get a kill tonight

ember arrow
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Taloc 50%

outer dew
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Lmao

wintry ermine
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ive killed mother M 8 times and bonus rolled everytime

primal crypt
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This guy tofu lol

wintry ermine
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😒

outer dew
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No vectis chest or trinket

primal crypt
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what a bean sprout

wintry ermine
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all the other plate wearers have the helm

oblique garnet
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I got the helm on my first mother kill : ^)

wintry ermine
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one player has it on two characters

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since he rerolled

ember arrow
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@oblique garnet same. Then i quit

primal crypt
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Savage

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Lol

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My wife got it on her pally

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Couldnt give it to me because ilvl

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She only came in for that one raid because we were short a healer

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Literally got her pally carried for a little extra heals

wintry ermine
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hahaha

lusty grotto
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i only have 1 token this week goddamn it

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seal*

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and im debating pugging vectis again for syringe

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decisions decisions

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hc vectis, m mother or use it on m taloc for 2h

whole coral
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Hey, i've got a question about mythic temple of sethrallis this week (with necrotic affix) how are we supposed to handle the room with the orbs? all of those mobs give necrotic stacks so you get alot of stacks rly fast there :p

lusty grotto
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easy, don't run sethralis

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aids dungeon with necrotic

whole coral
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well, all went went well till that one room :p

lusty grotto
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gotta love fort sethralis

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hey let me put ghuunies right on your path

primal crypt
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Ez

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Grab the whole room

lusty grotto
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gotta call audibles "HOLD UP TEAM, WERE GOING THIS WAY"

primal crypt
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Left abd right side

lusty grotto
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pray for orb clone bug

primal crypt
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Have your team dunk both orbs

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You run around and kite back

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Down the hall

lusty grotto
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necrotic fam

whole coral
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hardly doable imo ^^

primal crypt
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Yup

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No one should be touching the mobs at this point

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So you shouldn't lose agg

lusty grotto
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run with a monk, have him rop you

whole coral
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maybe with a speed pot then?

primal crypt
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Also, have rog/mage

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The mobs will never touch you

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Unless you want them to

lusty grotto
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but the easiest way to do sethralis

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is not to do it on necrotic + fort week

primal crypt
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Yup

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Thats the best strat

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Lol

lusty grotto
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5000 IQ strat

primal crypt
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We have nothing in there that we want anyway

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Im bugged for some reason this week

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Everytime i get a shrine or seth key it auto deletes from my bags

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I dont get it

oblique garnet
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I thought shrine wouldnt be that bad this week

lusty grotto
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hmmmmmmmmmm

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you thought? go on...

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shrine and KR are auto deletes for me

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sry guise im a pussy

oblique garnet
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No but seriously they have nerfed all the aids adds on shrine

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Its definitely harder on tyrannical

lusty grotto
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i needs that underrot this week for sure

primal crypt
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Shrine is awful

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UNLESS

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Your group is a premade

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UNLESS

supple path
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Shrine's got some annoying positioning with sanguine, but honestly it feels more annoying than hard this week.

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Though I suppose that is sort of the motto of sanguine/necrotic

lusty grotto
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heh sanguine isn't as impactful when you're kiting all the time HEK HEK HEK

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gotta love that mini heart attack when you kite then LoS then step out of that corner to see mobs right at you

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"how the fuck did they get here so fast"

daring marlin
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kiting is interesting and fun gameplay

lusty grotto
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jk i play with nameplates

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yes it reminds me of quad kiting, back when i was not a tank

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in another game

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where i was a druid

daring marlin
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I wish I could kite raid bosses too

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maybe then we would be... viable

lusty grotto
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we would be fucked without that 90% slow

daring marlin
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🀑

lusty grotto
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i guess we could race change to nightborne HEH

keen spire
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Is everything you say a meme, Nim?

primal crypt
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πŸ€”

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🍿

lusty grotto
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i'm not sure nowadays to be honest

keen spire
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That's fair

tiny bobcat
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does prot warrior do more damage than dh in m+?

keen spire
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depends on the player, I'd say

primal crypt
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Yes

lusty grotto
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β˜‘ yes

primal crypt
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Yes they do

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By a ton

lusty grotto
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wait are we talking havok or vdh?

keen spire
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Dat sustained AoE

primal crypt
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Vdh

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Obv

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Obvvv

coral dew
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Prot does is thicc

keen spire
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Havoc vs Prot

tiny bobcat
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vdh yea

coral dew
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Dps*

keen spire
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Prot wins

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πŸ˜‰

primal crypt
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...

lusty grotto
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are you admiting your defeat at eyebeamhelicopterlords?

primal crypt
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Stop memeing SINISTER

keen spire
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❀

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I didn't say I had a problem with Nim memeing

primal crypt
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Eyebeam is mmmmm delicious

keen spire
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I think it's funny

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xD

primal crypt
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So much mmmm

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Like thunder mmmmm

lusty grotto
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but have you ever seen the grace of an eyebeam helicopter? the beauty? the pure class.

keen spire
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I kinda wish eyebeam could be more like the old blizzard

lusty grotto
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when they go WIOAHDOIAHDAHFIOAJOIJFAIJFGKEEPMOBSINPLACE in discord or twitch

keen spire
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Where you could just stand and rechannel it over and over again

supple path
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And I wish using it made DH's entire screen go black to simulate how they're blind now that they shot lasers out of their corneas.

open bluff
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so fathoms, 370 syringe, 370 rezan's, 370 lion's strength, 380 button; according to tankadin sims my best would be button/fathoms for ST, would that hold true for warrior as well or is the crit/dot from syringe enough to compete with fathoms?

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i know button is most likely a lock for pure ST

lusty grotto
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tankadin sims? πŸ€”

open bluff
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prot pal

lusty grotto
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fathoms should be the top to be sure

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fathoms only loses to 385 trinkets dps-wise

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(or better)

open bluff
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yeah that's what i was leaning toward, wasn't sure if the dot/crit from syringe would be enough to be competitive, i run fathoms/syringe on the pally because i haven't gotten a button on him yet

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but lucked into a 380 on my warrior a week or two ago so been using that for ST

lusty grotto
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i mean syringe is amazing

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for pure dps i can see how button would be good at 380

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it hits for a shitton

open bluff
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yeah

lusty grotto
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yeah i kind of agree with that setup

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fathoms + button

open bluff
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as opposed to fathoms + button?

lusty grotto
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syringe might be ok at higher ilvl

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shit my bad

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fixed πŸ‘

open bluff
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i was hoping syringe would have at least rolled a socket last night but eh

primal crypt
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I'm running gore 380 + button 380

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Feelsgoodman

open bluff
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yeah my gore's on the dk 😦

primal crypt
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Tons of dmg

lusty grotto
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my gore is 360 :\

open bluff
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now if only i could replace this servant splitter...

lusty grotto
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i probably scrapped it though

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nope nvm still in my bags 365

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should scrap it 😦

primal crypt
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yup

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Jes/Eye

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mmmm

lusty grotto
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no syringe 😒

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no vial, no high ilvl gore 😦

wintry ermine
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why is parry chance different for "current target"?

lusty grotto
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we need context for this one

wintry ermine
jovial scaffold
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because level difference more than likely

wintry ermine
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my target is mythrax

jovial scaffold
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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

primal crypt
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decisions

lusty grotto
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i hate you

primal crypt
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on the daily

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but my rezan is so low

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lel

lusty grotto
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but hey you dont have fathoms TEEHEE

primal crypt
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TEEHEE

tropic star
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is there a ranking somwhere of tank single target dps?

primal crypt
tropic star
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i mean its pretty well established that warrs with in the AOE fun fest along with DHs but wasnt sure what single targets looked lik

lusty grotto
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well, prot shouldn't rank too high ST

primal crypt
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Yeah, our ST is lacking

lusty grotto
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as far whos better than who.. it's kind of impossible to know at this point

primal crypt
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Rage flow isn't as great

tropic star
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my understanding was that we were low, and even lower if we are actively trying to mitigate instead of dumping rage into revenge

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but i dont have anything to point at when co-tank says warrs should be outdpsing paladins

primal crypt
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Just devastate harder lul

lusty grotto
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hmm

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i dont know if paladins should outdps warriors

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well if they are sera, you're kinda fucked

tropic star
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he does run sera

primal crypt
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Yup

lusty grotto
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yeah of course you're not gonna outdps him

primal crypt
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Sera will crush lol

lusty grotto
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ST i mean

primal crypt
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^

tropic star
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if i dont have avatar for hero and he uses sera i run into threat issues

lusty grotto
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what a dick though

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"hey bruv why dont you outdps me @ ST" > runs sera

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if i were you, id be prepotting like crazy

tropic star
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much money

lusty grotto
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talking shit every time you pass him.

tropic star
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whose got time to farm hers

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nah lol hesn ot a dick about it

lusty grotto
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hmm but those are easy herbs

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ah ok

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in that case

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you need to talk shit harder

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LOL

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i joke

tropic star
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anyone here doing mythic Zul and have a preference on tanking zul or crawgs?

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got an OS DH kiting crawgs and i have to tip toe during P1 which is zzzz. Then p2 i grab 6+ crawgs while on zul. As soon as i dive out and get bubbled they all go to the paladin next

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basically as soon as the tanks have to tank hard, he doesnt have crawgs

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dunno its its kiting theory, or that hes OS and just needs practice, or what. Its not like i cant Tclap while on zull. Need that demo uptime and rage etc.

signal plover
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Warr is rly strong for Crawg Bois so if there's any other options u could try swapping there.

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DH prolly gets trucked by boss tho

sick sentinel
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rofl

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necrotic is so god damn fucking retarded

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how the fuck are you supposed to rank ranged mobs?

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another reason why dks are superior

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fuck this game

plain vapor
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i just hold the crawgs the whole time

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@tropic star

prisma crane
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you rank them in order of difficulty

sick sentinel
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i just tanked temple

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the ones with the power shot

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they don't move

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they just lagg onto their power shot

prisma crane
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i would rank those as pretty difficult

sick sentinel
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then they move slow af out of it

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tell that to my team lol

prisma crane
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sorry, im just making fun of a typo, but yea, never been a fan of tons of ranged mobs, particularly ones that dont target the tanks

plain vapor
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much easier to hold aggro on the crawgs

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plus better equipped to deal with them

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shield block oP

daring marlin
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well that’s BFA for you

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losing certain ranged mobs means dick if your idiot party doesn’t as well

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wtf tank pull them out of sanguine lul

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Bears are pretty nice for sanguine weeks at least

cinder nova
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@sick sentinel What was the +

daring marlin
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TYPHOOOOOOOOOOON

sick sentinel
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+8 i'm just new with tank atm ll

daring marlin
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keep up the grind

cinder nova
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Ah, yeah - it's not that bad. TBH temple on any week but tyrannical is pretty ez

daring marlin
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you got this

sick sentinel
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might aswell just log onto my blood dk lmao but my warrior is 375 ilvl atm

daring marlin
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first boss is the only annoying fuck on tyrannical too

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people say third but pshhhhh

sick sentinel
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third is ez

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just tank him in a corner

daring marlin
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I like it in the center.

dusk locust
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if you tank him in a corner do all the pillars spawn on one side

vocal nimbus
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have fun in the third boss at 15 and above

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healer gotta be at 40k

old night
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honest question

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how do people add santa hats to their shit

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or do they just use Photoshop

lusty grotto
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it looks shopped

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i can tell because i've seen quite a few shops in my time

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we could analyze the pixels

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but for real i will make a Santa Chef Nimchip avatar tonight

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the question is where's blade to enjoy that work of art

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anyway back on topic, sethralis is a no go on sanguine + necrotic week. destroy your keys

dense flame
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Just grip out of sanguine 4head

lusty grotto
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eye room with necrotic burr

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powershot is np, can just LoS them back in Africa

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and when i mean africa i mean like Africa distance to the nearest LoS point

old night
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got this

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hows it look boys

lusty grotto
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good shop

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i like both the shopped hat and the shopped gun

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and the shopped girl

old night
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thats actually a real photo

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its sara taylor of youth code

lusty grotto
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shhh

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it's shopped

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shhh bb i kno

old night
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lmao

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i had a friend get REALLY mad at me when they saw my twitch pic

lusty grotto
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I have no idea what youth code is

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tbh

old night
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said i was "endorsing suicide"

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ill link

lusty grotto
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if it's not TRAP i won't like it

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i'm all into badbunny now

lusty grotto
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hol up

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is that lion....

old night
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its eating it

lusty grotto
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uh huh

old night
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i have this on vinyl πŸ˜›

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seen it up close

signal plover
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Da fuck is going on here

lusty grotto
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i'm gonna be honest this is terrible

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i'm gonna refer you to Despacito

signal plover
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How about

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Baby shark

lusty grotto
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a modern Classic

signal plover
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Do Doo do do do doo

lusty grotto
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you lied filmstrips, there are no girls in this

old night
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its the vocalist

lusty grotto
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what the

old night
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lmao

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youth code isnt for everyone

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but man they're great

lusty grotto
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i like despacito, do you have anymore like despacito?

old night
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HA HA HA HE SAID DESPACITO

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HA HA

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no I dont lol

lusty grotto
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but wait, i havent even mentioned the sequel

old night
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electric boogaloocito

lusty grotto
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or amazon's product

old night
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nim

lusty grotto
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which i won't name cause Hey Google and Cortana might get jealous

old night
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you want a santa hat

lusty grotto
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nah don't worry i got it covered

daring marlin
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nimchimp at it again

lusty grotto
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seriously though, i'm a punk at heart

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and that sounded alright

old night
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yeah same

lusty grotto
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but industrial-y

old night
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thats kinda what they are

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both are from hardcore backgrounds

lusty grotto
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The Refused tho

old night
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yo you fuck with cursed earth at all

lusty grotto
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i actually havent listend to cursed earth

old night
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breh

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ill pm you

lusty grotto
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i like this

signal plover
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Are the mods just dead

daring marlin
#

LOL

#

paw the fun police

#

weewoo

signal plover
#

Someone brez thyme

daring marlin
#

Where’d he go anyway?

#

Noticed he left a while back or some shit

signal plover
#

I think he quitterino

old night
#

someone said paladin

signal plover
#

I miss thyme

daring marlin
#

F

signal plover
#

F

old night
#

F

lusty grotto
#

hey father thyme let me do this too

#

when it was slow

signal plover
#

I mean I'll talk Tofu pizza memes all day

lusty grotto
#

don't worry we will have plenty of action the 11th

signal plover
#

But idk what the hell that was

lusty grotto
#

butter. chicken. pizza.

signal plover
#

I mute the server on patch days

#

Cuz I'm helpful

#

I just lurk on Sense

#

And Lala

lusty grotto
#

But have you heard of Boost

signal plover
#

Ya he ok

#

;)

lusty grotto
#

hey marok streams too

signal plover
#

The alfather is a busyboi

lusty grotto
#

true

signal plover
#

We need not trouble him

lusty grotto
#

i'm kinda curious about BoM now

#

thinking ill try some PTR shennanigans later this week

#

and try 1 DC 2x BoM

#

dunno where the gear vendor is

primal crypt
#

anyone have the boost video available?

merry bane
#

What are you guys thoughts on Prism of Dark Intensity

#

242 strength every 3 seconds for 18 seconds

#

plus mastery

uneven mason
#

is it your highest ilvl trinket?

#

and is not competing with Rezan's Jes howler or a similar ilvl blockades?

lusty grotto
#

prism isn't that good

#

there are better ones both defensive and offensive

merry bane
#

These are my trinkets atm Prism 360, Rezan 340, Vial 365, Block 355 Syringe 370

daring marlin
#

use vial and syringe

merry bane
#

Vial and syringe are best combo you think?

#

should I hold onto the others?

daring marlin
#

For what you have? For sure. No reason to ditch the others, though.

#

Unless you need expulsom.

merry bane
#

just because of ilevel>

#

use them or is it better combo

daring marlin
#

ilvl and yeah

#

vial is an insane amount of on-demand burst

merry bane
#

what would I use it for? just big aoe packs?

daring marlin
#

use it with your cds

#

demo/avatar

bitter willow
#

So all secondary stats are roughly worth the same. But what is the ratio str : secondary stat? For instance how much better is a 40str gem compared to 40 haste?

merry bane
#

so syring efor passive and vial for burst and such

#

r

steel mauve
#

its not, a 40 haste gem is better than a str gem

#

and we dont have stat weights, therefore we cant accurately tell the ratio of stats, just that they are all close together

plain ice
#

!pawn

daring marlin
#

OMEGA

plain ice
#

πŸ˜‰

bitter willow
#

I know we don't have stat weight, but was wondering if there was a ballpark number

steel mauve
#

there isnt

bitter willow
#

Anyway. Haste better than str for gem? Really? I thought new str was better than all

steel mauve
#

unless theres a str gem that gives a lot more than 40, haste is better

bitter willow
#

I'll be damned. Thanks for the info!

steel mauve
#

if its a 1:1 ratio, haste will be better

#

in terms of gems

#

the food is better, because we know that haste isnt worth nearly double the str from feast

#

so our ballpark i guess is haste is better than str but not double the value

steady dragon
#

hey nerds, whats up with intercept sometimes not working on enemies?

zinc mauve
#

you know

#

i was just about to complain about how much better intercept could be

steady dragon
#

im not talking about missing LoS or anything, im standing like 15y away from a mob, spamming my hotkey relentlessly but its not doing anything

#

the second i switch to intercept to an ally it works

zinc mauve
#

oh...

steady dragon
#

pretty annoying

steel mauve
#

is there a twig between you and the target?

zinc mauve
#

i havent had that happen, i was about to complain about how some attacks that cannot be intercepted REALLY should be able to

steady dragon
#

nah

#

this was in temple of sneks

#

last boss

#

flat floor

zinc mauve
#

like Severing Axe in the council fight, King's Rest

#

id kill bitches to be able to intercept that

steady dragon
#

but this isnt a regular thing?

limpid depot
#

anyone have any thoughts about devastator in 8.1? i really enjoyed the playstyle in legion.

daring marlin
#

@steady dragon It just happens every now and then

outer dew
#

if you don't die

daring marlin
#

at least you still get the rage

outer dew
#

then go for it

#

if it completes the content you want to do

#

roll with it

#

at this point, i'm considering running ravager for +10 carries

#

lol

#

pull big and ravager meme

steady dragon
#

😐

zinc mauve
#

wait are you referring to the thing where you charge something and it uses up a charge and you get the rage, but you dont move?

steady dragon
#

no

#

where the charge just doesnt happen

#

i dunno, maybe im just too close without realising 🀷

zinc mauve
#

usuually for me it just happens that my character doesnt move but i still get the rage

daring marlin
#

same here

#

@outer dew good meme dude

ember granite
#

Any tips for prot wars kiting out necrotic?

daring marlin
#

revenge does more damage than ravager

#

a single revenge

#

@ember granite get threat and leap my dude

ember granite
#

lol

outer dew
#

lmao

#

really?

ember granite
#

I was afraid that was the only way lol

daring marlin
#

make friends with a frost mage too

ember granite
#

yeah

outer dew
#

low-key debating about making

#

a powerpoint of wow classes

daring marlin
#

@outer dew yeah bro ravager is absolutely dogshit

#

look at the damage quick

outer dew
#

sad times

daring marlin
#

It’s fucking HIGH-larious

outer dew
#

that's

#

kind of depressing

#

buff to kingdom kong plz

#

i want to meme

#

with ravager

fringe magnet
#

for expeditions as prot, is it 1121211?

#

leveling IEs without optimal gear

steel mauve
#

ya the dmg on ravager is pretty appalling

zinc mauve
#

just make it last 1 second longer with every thunderclap

#

scaling infinitely

#

nothing can go wrong im sure

lusty grotto
#

well i dont know what lvl you get avatar but

#

@fringe magnet but if you have it

ionic ridge
#

And pull mobs

lusty grotto
#

UF + BV + AM should be baseline yes

#

pull a shitton of mobs and intervene->avatar->tclap->demoshout->tclap->X->tclap->X->tclap

fringe magnet
#

doesn'

lusty grotto
#

did tofu just troll everyone?

fringe magnet
#

t work when the teammates are complete morons

lusty grotto
#

teammates shouldn't matter

#

you will do enough dps to have every mob on you

kindred flint
#

Is PROT decent enough in 8.1?

lusty grotto
#

there it is again folks

#

it's decent enough now

#

if you're not bad

daring marlin
#

@lusty grotto how are the 8.1 buffs?

#

viable?

lusty grotto
#

why thanks guilford, they are fine i guess.

#

viable

kindred flint
#

Saw the new PTR notes, looks like some needed buffs were added

astral crystal
#

hey guys, preach said top end guilds are gearing prot warriors for 8.1, are they good now :^)))))))) ravager ravager ravager

lusty grotto
#

ROFL

#

cmon now

merry bane
#

lol

lusty grotto
#

lets not take it too far

merry bane
#

We all cant be @shut summit can we πŸ˜„

lusty grotto
#

Sense is dead to us ok

kindred flint
#

Don't get the jokes here

lusty grotto
#

he did bdk on MDI

astral crystal
#

@kindred flint prot is pretty decent now, memes aside, it's just not braindead like brm and bdk

lusty grotto
#

im jk sense ur my hero 😒

daring marlin
#

but guys are the buffs enough so I can finally tank a +5?

astral crystal
#

it will be ok in the upcoming tier probably

#

since there's a lot of blockable projectiles and ip off the gcd gives us more fluid playstyle

lusty grotto
#

we are fine right now, buffs are small but they will provide a better experience. Nothing that will make you ezmode tank though, you still will need to know how to play prot

#

@kindred flint

merry bane
#

dude boost is runnign doublegutripper

lusty grotto
#

lel he wants those parses

merry bane
#

double gut doubleimpassive

#

1 archive

lusty grotto
#

i mean you dont really need defensive traits when youre kiting this week LOL

#

/necrotic

merry bane
#

I have only done up to sanguine

kindred flint
#

Ok thanks,. Yah I loved prot legion,. In BFA it just feels so clunky to play

#

Hopefully the buff will make it more fun

rapid drift
#

;'/c d5ty4

sick sentinel
#

No longer am I shackled to a 345

daring marlin
#

good shit buddy

lusty grotto
#

non symmetric UI OCD INTENSIFIES

#

gz though

sick sentinel
#

Everything is on a line

lusty grotto
#

OCD INTENSIFIES MORE

sick sentinel
#

I made sure to make my character bars match the right axises

#

and have no empty space bewteen my bars

#

Just the size of the character frame is smaller because one would be larger than the other even if they matched

#

but ty tho

lusty grotto
#

im just fucking with you lol

#

you play with whatever is most comfy for you πŸ˜ƒ

sand egret
#

Is prot going to be viable in 8.1?

sick sentinel
#

I know, I spend a whole day on my ui to make sure its straighter than edge

#

Nope

#

we gonna be trash

lusty grotto
#

Blade you know what time it is?

sand egret
#

Gametime?

#

Primetime?

#

SHowtime?

lusty grotto
#

oh shit hang on

sick sentinel
#

Please dont say showtime

#

I literally had to deal with 3 showtimes today on the subway today

lusty grotto
#

still need that santa hat

sand egret
#

well all I can hear right now is the sound of Nim dropping the ball

sick sentinel
#

But I did have 1 good showtime but it was not because of their shit performance

#

More because they performed so bad they got angry when no one wanted to give them money. It is almost like he forgot hes in nyc.

#

Also thanks to that chest im now exactly at 380

daring marlin
#

will we be viable in 8.1?

#

I must know

sick sentinel
#

Idk, i dont raid

lusty grotto
#

wont you guys think of the lurkers?

sick sentinel
#

Yeah

#

the 0 lurkers

#

for prot channel

daring marlin
#

they may as well delete warrior

#

F

lusty grotto
#

F

sick sentinel
#

Man, dec 11 cant come any faster

#

I need my lfr legion for my tmog

daring marlin
#

I wish legion had FUCKING LEGACY LOOT MODE LOL

zinc mauve
#

Im lurking

#

Lul

daring marlin
#

personal loot in the previous expacs is beyond cancer

lusty grotto
#

i wish TW raids had legacy loot mode

#

cough BT, cough Ulduar

sick sentinel
#

You aint no lurker @zinc mauve, we've seen ur butt here a lot

daring marlin
#

legion is still current content guise

zinc mauve
#

Prot warrior is already viable, just expert nice for tanks

#

Kappa @sick sentinel

#

Don't tell the real lurkers

sick sentinel
daring marlin
#

@zinc mauve we’re viable?

#

I’ve been lied to

#

!!!!!!!!!

zinc mauve
#

Unless you are doing +21 keys

#

Then maybe not

lusty grotto
#

ive done 21 keys

#

at least one key a week

#

wait

zinc mauve
#

Wrong expansion

#

But I see your meme

daring marlin
#

I wish m+ gave like

#

quadruple the ap it does now

#

That’d be epic

zinc mauve
#

..sp?

daring marlin
#

holy shit my fingers are frozen

#

ap

zinc mauve
#

Ah

daring marlin
#

cmon bro

zinc mauve
#

I have done dailies in over a month

#

Haven't wtd

#

Phone can't type for duck

daring marlin
#

indeed

lusty grotto
#

i have 😦 fucking alts and reps

ancient reef
daring marlin
#

@lusty grotto wq week is good for you then

vocal imp
#

could 1 of yall link me the macros for colossal, intim thunderclap etc

daring marlin
#

weirdo

primal crypt
#

D

#

F

daring marlin
#

xd

zinc mauve
#

what do you need macros for thunderclap for

lusty grotto
#

colossal?

primal crypt
#

obviously the one shot macro

bitter willow
#

What's better : 100 str feast or 55 haste food?

soft kindle
#

Probably strength. Can sim to check

sand egret
#

hahahaha

#

guess who just got owned by Trevor, The Almighty Critter

#

this guyyyy

stone imp
#

Strength

soft kindle
#

woops

#

rofl you fuckers can't sim 😈

sand egret
#

no need to sim when you're at the top of the charts

#

eyyyyy

#

πŸ‘’ 🍡 πŸ‘

soft kindle
#

β›ˆ πŸ‘

sand egret
#

clearly in the wrong channel πŸ˜†

outer dew
#

@sand egret need an explanation about this set of emotes

#

Meth is instant to me

#

But yours I get confused every time

sand egret
#

just let it sink in

#

only then will you learn the deepest secrets of Prot.

outer dew
#

Boot soup clap

steel mauve
#

thats obviously praying hands, not clapping

outer dew
#

Boot Soup Pray?

#

Boot Drink Pray?

#

@soft kindle I'm too manki for this

#

Explain his shit

sick sentinel
#

boot tea clap

outer dew
#

Oh

#

That's too complex for me

soft kindle
#

Dumbass

outer dew
#

Lmao

#

I thought it was pea soup

soft kindle
#

Read the emotes

#

padawan

outer dew
#

Bruh

#

I'm on mobile

#

Too mong too read

soft kindle
#

πŸ’

#

ookook

daring marlin
#

DOOKERS!!!!!!!!!!!

primal crypt
#

Just got the shield from heroic ghuun finally

#

Been wanting that mog forever

orchid sand
#

grats

primal crypt
#

Nice little blue tint

#

Makes me feel pretty

orchid sand
#

You have "the shield of Impenatrable Darkness" from Kharazhan?

#

old khara Nightbane

lusty grotto
#

i do πŸ˜ƒ

#

oh wait, you can still do old kara

#

bleh

#

thought i was special

#

alas i'm only chef nimchip

orchid sand
#

Not sure if attunement is still required to summon him.

#

If it dropped for you in wotlk. You are one of few

#

Just logged for first time in 7 weeks,read pins about buffs/changes. How do you all feel about Ignore Pain now?

#

Helping you in high keys?

lusty grotto
#

yeah we did it back in BC

#

and i deffo remember getting that shield

#

ehh IP hasn't changed

#

dev 11 it comes off the gcd

orchid sand
#

So not live?

lusty grotto
#

it's not the biggest change anyway

orchid sand
#

kk

#

ill read more

lusty grotto
#

i mean some people do feel like it is but all of the changes in conjunction will give us a better experience

orchid sand
#

is there a date?

lusty grotto
#

dec 11

orchid sand
#

or tenetave date?

#

ok ty brother

sand egret
#

the 11th day of the 12th month

sullen root
#

wrong chat, but thats cute

sand egret
#

approved.

lusty grotto
#

i dont know

sand egret
#

cute puppernugget > your terrible mog ss's

lusty grotto
#

i'm trying to figure out how did a corgi and a husky did it

#

seems ruff

#

huehuehuehue

steel mauve
#

bbooooo

lusty grotto
#

ok ok πŸšͺ

ivory path
#

Yeah, you still need to be attuned to summon Nightbane. @orchid sand

zinc mauve
#

umm

#

doesnt every single tank spec require external healing though?

outer dew
#

I mean

#

I think his logic is

#

that in low low damage

#

a prot warrior will eventually die

#

vs other tanks that have regen

steel mauve
#

ironically we usualy require the least amount of erhps than other tanks too

prisma crane
#

which is fairly annoying that we cant self sustain

#

but

#

i mean

outer dew
#

why my healer die before me

prisma crane
#

it's really only an "issue" in trivial content

outer dew
#

my goal in life is a tank

#

is to be the first to die

prisma crane
#

well

outer dew
#

means my dps/healers did hteir mechanics

prisma crane
#

until environmental stuff kills them

#

what i do dislike is that we cant really clutch anymore, something we could do REALLY well in legion

#

but w/e

sick sentinel
#

@zinc mauve where did you get that text log from?

#

cause thats funny

zinc mauve
#

some dude responded to me on reddit with that

outer dew
#

lol

sick sentinel
#

Man reddit is the best

outer dew
#

you know the general pop takes people on reddit/wowforum as the gospel

sick sentinel
#

Nuclear takes like ive never seen in reddit

merry bane
#

so what are your gaming playlists or stations guys?

sick sentinel
#

A+

zinc mauve
#

i cant listen to music and game at the same time

#

atleast, if im tryharding i cant

sick sentinel
outer dew
#

I listen to Vietnamese music when I play

sick sentinel
#

Because i fucking love Jet Set Radio

outer dew
#

I don't think that's your uhh

#

cup of tea

#

lmao

merry bane
#

I generally listen to Electronic or Dance

zinc mauve
#

if im doing some gay EZ mode runs ill listen to some hype shit

merry bane
#

but Symphonic Metal is a good pick too

outer dew
#

I can give you my spotify ;^)

#

just gay af

sick sentinel
#

But it depends what im in the mode for, but I keep a tab open always for that radio station

outer dew
#

just listen to your own music tbh

#

lmao

merry bane
#

I have both Spotify and pandora

#

plus a Final Fantasy Playlist if I really get into it

zinc mauve
#

on a somewhat different note, someone said that pallys can block the damage from DoTs, is this true?

outer dew
#

yes

zinc mauve
#

...can we?

outer dew
#

mastery for paladin

#

is flat out DR in conscecration

#

vs us blocking

zinc mauve
#

i wish our mastery wasnt rng

outer dew
#

well

#

it's not really block

#

it's two parts

sick sentinel
#

the first part is being a priest who sucked shit at being a priest mixed with being a bad prot warrior who needs jesus

zinc mauve
#

imagine needing a god to fill in the gaps in your mitigation

sick sentinel
#

With the seraphim talent, they aren't too far from that lol

outer dew
#

lmao

#

I mean

#

flat out mitigation on conscreation

stone crag
#

at least mastery is getting reworked

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

ivory barn
#

Hey guys (if you can see the Azerite traits). I recently switched from Arms/Fury to only playing Prot now. and wondered the best Azerite traits/ Trinkets outside of the DC Chestpiece

outer dew
#

choose highest ilvl

#

unless you meme like me

#

and want 2x archive to do more damage

ivory barn
#

is it just highest ilvl? what about the trinkets?

outer dew
#

trinkets depend

#

are you dying?

#

if no syringe/fathoms

#

if yes, go blockades/jes

zinc mauve
#

howler is good if you just want to macro it to demo shout

#

thats what i do

ivory barn
#

thanks for the help!

#

testing

#

ok that is weird the ENTER key quit working in wow

outer dew
#

@ivory barn do /use 13 or /use 14

ivory barn
#

thank you

plain ice
#

also, i would advise against macro'ing it with demo shout

ivory barn
#

didnt know you could do the slot number

#

reason?

plain ice
#

there are situations where you'd want to cast it separately

#

macro'ing two abilities together isn't typically a good thing

#

encourages poor play

ivory barn
#

makes sense

plain ice
#

especially because they don't share the same CD

next sable
#

Deafening Crash is pretty necessary

#

regardless of ilvl imo

plain vapor
#

use DS on cd anyways for hte most part anyways

#

when you dont have the debuff aplied

rotund canyon
#

Does Defening Crush trait stack?

outer dew
#

Damage yes

#

Duration no

#

That's true for all azerite pieces

cinder nova
#

Do have any confirmation on whether or not the mastery from the ava trait stacks?

plain vapor
amber siren
#

vendor it for that sweet 106g

stone crag
#

it's highly likely that it does @cinder nova

outer dew
#

yo

vapid sluice
#

Hello guys wanted to ask if some1 has unusual idea for shield block weakaura?

plain vapor
#

how the fuck do you solo orbs for mythic ghuun

#

if the lock portal is at the halfway point

#

only have 2 locks sadly

#

nvm got it lol

rough egret
#

should I stick to I lvl also in this matter?

outer dew
#

ilvl

#

lol

#

crit/mastery stats aren't bad

#

you also gain chunk of stam/armor/strength

rough egret
#

thx

ivory barn
#

sec

#

Your stats look really different than mine and we have about the same ilvl. also ^no ItF stacks

#

are you tanking ok with that stats?

worthy dagger
#

remember that crit = parry

#

so its not THAT shit

rough egret
#

There was a time when i had 20%haste base, but im unlucky to get more haste gear, but still haste is my biggest rating with 1100, crit at 1000

honest geode
#

Are there any 8.1 stat sheets and info around the discord?

#

Rotation change recoomendations

#

That sort of stuff

dire wyvern
#

dunno what warrior he was playing but i dont think rage starving is an issue

#

more like we cant spend enough with IP on gcd

#

from an m+ perspective btw, never tank raids

outer dew
#

Hmm

#

Can't think of anywhere I felt miserable

#

If I'm rage starved it's more user error vs class error

dire wyvern
#

yeh probably wasting too many GCDs on IP lol

outer dew
#

I don't think I've hit the point where I've felt like my class is what's holding me back

#

You know

#

I have a slight problem

#

I press revenge too much because of m+

#

So for raids I need to switch my revenge button with ip

#

To make sure I heal more

dire wyvern
#

πŸ˜„

#

like i said i dont tank raids ever so i wouldnt know

tight tree
#

8.1 changes are not enough sadly. Still no m+ utility, still gaps in AM, IP scaling still shit, off in one auto. All we got is minor number hotfixes (outside of IP change), and it is ridiculous that we have to wait until 8.1 for them. They could roll them in at any moment.

#

They just had to delay them for big patch to generate more hype. Commercial interest > class viability and fun. Pathetic really.

#

Yes i am salty πŸ˜‰

ionic ridge
#

Cyka blyat

tight tree
#

πŸ˜ƒ

#

So far no reason to reroll to warrior from BM/DK etc

dire wyvern
ionic fern
#

Wait

#

Did you put prot pala

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Behind prot warrior?

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In m+?

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And VDH?

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o.o

dire wyvern
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yup

ionic fern
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Y I K E S

tight tree
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Somewhat valid points, except VDH still imo will be better due to massive glyphs utility, and offensive purge. Both BM and VDH can do at least some damage when kiting, unlike warrior (glyphs, breath of fire, keg smash). BM still better due to ring of peace, portals, healing, removing poisons (massive in some dungeons). In any high key tanks will be kiting, noone can facetank, so at this point warrior advantage is mostly nullified. At least SOME healing is very big in m+, amount of time clutch expel harm saved my ass in m+ is huge. So in my opinion, warriors need small heal (nothing like BDK but something), valuable mob control tool (spammable AOE slow, or purge, or dispel), and better way to handle magic and bleeds. Then, MAYBE, people will consider pushing m+ with it.

ionic fern
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Paladins have adequate CD's + a perma slow + a ST stun + Immunities + Blessings for party members + self heal and all that stuff. o.o

tight tree
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To change public perception about warriors, Blizzard need to overbuff them, then tune it down a little over time. No other way.

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Pala > warrior in any situation yes

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Except they all ping and goody-good and all religious so they stink and i will never play them

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pink*

ionic fern
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My paladin is hardly pink. πŸ˜’

tight tree
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ITS CLASS COLOR IS PINK

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CYKABLYAT

ionic fern
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#NeverEmbraceThePink

dire wyvern
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'In any high key tanks will be kiting, noone can facetank' I think Sense from nurfed said he has done 18 keys and has yet to need to kite as prot warrior

ionic fern
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What's bad about kiting tho? πŸ€” Your healer can focus on DPS'ing meanwhile. 🀷

dire wyvern
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Prot dps is higher

ionic fern
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Sure, i guess. I'm not gonna fall in a argument of you placing Prot warrior in 2nd tier for overall m+ tanking.

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πŸ˜‚

dire wyvern
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healer aoe dps potential isnt even comparable

ionic fern
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Your opinion so idm

dire wyvern
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Its a discussion not an arguement πŸ˜›

ionic fern
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Fact is that there's a reason why more people play Prot paladin/VDH in higher keys. And that reason is utility.

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Sure, you have a AoE stun

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But most higher keys have a DH anyways

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Which has 2 stuns

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Which makes Warrior stun DR.

tight tree
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Not many players are as good as Sense and have that good healer. I am sure as hell cannot facetank fortified packs, even on 10. But i agree in this point i may be wrong.

ionic fern
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Not saying prot warrior is bad - it's just that other classes are more easier to be excelled at and provide more margin for error.

dire wyvern
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Yeh i agree with that

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But those numbers are misleading when BrM is definitely the 2nd best tank

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and has lower representation

outer dew
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Nani the what

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What's your Ilvl to not face tank +10's

manic perch
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where is the rankings of affixes in difficulty?