protection

[soft kindle]

Just saying he's like Chinglish in a lot of ways

[ionic ridge]

@soft kindle can you expand on that please ?

[soft kindle]

He's an above average player that is boosted and appears and comes off as better than he is

Specifically in regards to how many subjects he talks about without having real knowledge of them

[primal crypt]

His videos show him trying prot warrior and yet he wasnt even mitigating

I don't remember the specific vids, but I know I've seen clips of him saying stuff aling the lines of "prot is terrible" but didn't have shield block up.

[wintry ermine]

why does he like prot for the new raid?

[primal crypt]

Same goes for some of his other videos, same style. He dabbles to much.

[dire wyvern]

Max from limit said prot warrior is good in 1/2 fights

methodjosh repeated the sentiment i think

but ofc thats top guild play

[primal crypt]

Lepan was saying prot/dk might be the top contenders for m+ as well

[dire wyvern]

i think prot will be 3rd pick for m+

[primal crypt]

I tries to squeeze more out of him on why

Who's second??

[dire wyvern]

BrM

[primal crypt]

Ewwww

Lel

Ew just because I won't play it brw

[fast garnet]

if you know how to prot it's decent enough already now

the buffs will make it much better

[dire wyvern]

S = BDK
A = BrM / Warr
B = VDH / Pala
C = Bear

[ionic ridge]

I don't have time to check streams so I didn't know that was the sentiment among the high en community 😮

[wintry ermine]

yeah, still doesn't change the fact that BDK is far ahead due to the utility

[fast garnet]

yeah fuck bdk

[dire wyvern]

Luckily i have a monk dk and warrior all geared 😃

[primal crypt]

Same, except on the monk

I just can't play him anymore

Dk is fun, it's so ez

Prot is more fun, because you actually have to do stuff

[dire wyvern]

I dont enjoy the dpsing on brm that much buts it ok

overall

i enjoy the mitigation style and movement

[primal crypt]

I just....don't like stagger lol

Stagger is so.... lazy

[soft kindle]

Prot is looking good on Jaina specifically

But there's still a good bit of fight design left to go

[wintry ermine]

does she hit at all? doesn't she just use spells?

[primal crypt]

She probably slaps you with something

Wet noodle

[soft kindle]

Her auto cast is physical

and blockable

[wintry ermine]

oh snað

snap

[primal crypt]

EZgame

[wintry ermine]

😍

[ionic ridge]

Alright

Brb time to fap then

[primal crypt]

That's disgusting...we don't want to know when you're slow jerking it to anime man.

[empty locust]

On mythic Mythrax can tanks be targeted by beams or spawn points for visions of madness?

[ionic ridge]

Not even the little vein pumping ?

[wintry ermine]

pretty sure they aren't targeted for spawn points

[primal crypt]

They're not targetted by either

Otherwise you'd have some really shitty positioning

[empty locust]

Cheers, just wanted to confirm it

[amber siren]

Tanks can definitely be targeted by the beam, had it happen a few times

[vocal nimbus]

They cant

[amber siren]

I mean, I've replayed logs with it happening so 🤷

[primal crypt]

Someone was near you then that got targetter

[vocal nimbus]

Tanks dont get targeted 🤷

[fast garnet]

its always the freaking demon hunters that go near you and screw you over

[amber siren]

I'll go find the log I guess

[lusty grotto]

tanks can get targetted by beams in the intermission

[amber siren]

Nope I'm dumb, relooked at the log and it didn't target the tank 🙃

[dire wyvern]

Only intermission beam targets tanks

[primal crypt]

Only intermission beams

[amber siren]

Wait that's what we're talking about right? the oblit beam?

[dire wyvern]

intermission beam =/= normal blast beam

[primal crypt]

The interbeam

[amber siren]

reading is hard 😩

[dire wyvern]

😛

[primal crypt]

I'm fat

[amber siren]

nice

[topaz badger]

so, there are no more changes for prot in 8.1 since the cd of IP was changed to 1sec?

[dire wyvern]

nope nothing new

[soft kindle]

Tanks can be targeted by beam

To confirm

[ionic ridge]

Guys, do prot have any tips & tricks ? been out of touch for a while

[oblique garnet]

Check the pins

90% of the tips and tricks are there

[lusty grotto]

hey guys are we talking about beams?

oh boy lol

i love when people go the cd of ip was changed to 1 seconds

its like a woosh

[primal crypt]

😂

huge buff

[ember arrow]

🤔

[primal crypt]

🤔

[ember arrow]

[lusty grotto]

hey at least it's better than are prot warriors top tier in 8.1 guise?

[primal crypt]

They are nim

They are

[lusty grotto]

lol

time to change community perception one bdk reroll at a time

[oblique garnet]

We can never catch up to bdk unless they gave us the same utility

sad truth

[signal plover]

False

We can intercept em

And then leap past

And they can't catch up to us

[oblique garnet]

True true

[signal plover]

Izzi

[oblique garnet]

But then the priest will grip us back because they hate us for some reason and refuse to heal us

[lusty grotto]

listen

i could be limping and i would go at least 99 mph faster than a bdk

[junior igloo]

Depends on how wide we make the tiers.
Out of all the classes, warriors are in the top half of tanks 😄

[eager hedge]

Worthwhile using? I dont have any secondary trinket with strength

[dire wyvern]

will be fine

if your other options arent good

[junior igloo]

It's a pretty strong offensive trinket

[eager hedge]

Using Rezan's and dmd atm. Tho i dont seem to really need DMD anymore as im ilvl 380 with about 1600 haste outside uldir

[dire wyvern]

blockades?

actually you would take the briny over both

[modern brook]

I'd suggest dropping blockades if you dont need the survivability boost

re: catching dk's. they have more mobility than paladins now

:^(

[junior igloo]

Offensively: Fathoms >= Barnacle > Rezan's > Blockades
Defensively: Blockades >> Rezan's > Barnacle >= Fathoms

[eager hedge]

Nah, didnt struggle on any bosses, so figured id just drop it

[dire wyvern]

briny + rezans is the play imo

assuming you dont need blockades

[eager hedge]

Ait, cheers

[chilly brook]

I still wanna die from my horrible performance last night

[uneven mason]

Only 70% uptime on DS?

[modern brook]

98% DW

I feel you tho matt

Having a bad day on prot feels so much worse than anything else

cause its like undermining all the hard work you did breaking the stigma

you can go like 6 weeks not dying in mythic prog, then you miss one thrash and get bopped cause u had like a 15h shift at work or whatever

and the whole raids like WELP THATS WHAT WE GET FOR LETTING THE WARRIOR TANK

[lusty grotto]

lol

i'm currently running HC with a Thrall guild that gives no fucks

they have a bear tank

so it really depends on the mindset

its just that most people in online games want to emulate whatever the top players are using

[dusk locust]

i blindly emulate azerite trait choices and talents, which is only marginally different 😛

though the talents are pretty clear

[lusty grotto]

but its weird in WoW because prot isn't lacking much in terms of raids. Maybe so utilizy-wise in M+ but i guess that spills into raids for some reason. 🤷

[modern brook]

our talent tree still triggers me

60% of it should be baseline

[lusty grotto]

yeah well i mean we have a trait priority, what's there to emulate other than for DPS purposes maybe?

[dusk locust]

well i take for granted for example that ravager is bad. literally never looked into it or considered if it's useful in niche situations

[lusty grotto]

ravager has been bad since pretty much forever now lol

that's what should trigger you

[dusk locust]

following advice like that frees me up to think about other things, like raid lead stuff

[lusty grotto]

that there are still talents that are lackluster and they still exist

i mean look at fucking indom

[dusk locust]

point is that i don't really truely know that they're lackluster. for all i know it's lackluster just like prot is "lackluster"

b/c i haven't done my own research

[modern brook]

doing ur own research is for nerds and archi

[dusk locust]

heh

[timber nest]

how does http://prntscr.com/lo42u9 line up with avatar? is it every other cast?

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair once you get the idea, you know how to build around it

[modern brook]

I ran my stat weighs at 116, and have left that in pawn since

I know my character is optimal as heck :^)

[lusty grotto]

vial is amazing for dps

[modern brook]

@timber nest I use a 395; macro'd to avatar usage i can get ~32k burst in a 4 pull

[lusty grotto]

every other cast of avatar sounds about right

[modern brook]

i wouldnt suggest macroing it, because you can also use it defensively

[lusty grotto]

with AM of course

yeah its good for big IPs

[timber nest]

@modern brook i understand its good, but does it line up with every other avatar or do i have to delay anything. Im not macroing it

[modern brook]

UHhh in a raid fight you will most likely end up delaying it

I havent tanked raid in a minute so I dont remember tbh

In m+ you often just have it every other avatar cause of how pulls go

[lusty grotto]

fair point on raid fights

[modern brook]

or tyr bosses i guess

anything thats extended duration st

[lusty grotto]

i did macro it to avatar when i was using the 360 one i had

[modern brook]

yeah i have it macrod to avatar and on a separate

[lusty grotto]

but then again i only tanked M+ back then

i only have it separate to watch for CDs lul

[modern brook]

I rarely use it without avatar, but sometimes you just need that fat armor + IP buff

How is tanking this week>

i was working on my rogue yesterday

[lusty grotto]

i haven't done M+ but le-kite

on that note: siege is pretty easy since bosses do like to not fucking hit you

[timber nest]

necrotic on a warrior lel

[modern brook]

tanking shrine looks like cancer

the droplets necro and sanguine >.>

[timber nest]

underrots pretty easy too

[lusty grotto]

of course AD is easy as well

can reset stacks easy on bosses

[timber nest]

freehold isnt too bad

if you play the kite game

[lusty grotto]

same with Freehold (unless you fucking fail at shark boss like everyone does)

yeah

[modern brook]

shark boss died in ~90 seconds on the 10 i did

I think it was 115?

[lusty grotto]

should be np with fort

[modern brook]

yeah bosses dont exist on fort week

[timber nest]

next will be the dream, bursting skittish

[modern brook]

I actually dont mind either of those

[timber nest]

then teeming quaking

[lusty grotto]

fort teeming wew

[modern brook]

teeming bothers me to shit, but bursting i think is worse in theory

Grevious, I've concluded, is the abusive boyfriend of affixes

like when its around I'm like its not that bad

and then its gone and im like this is so much better

[lusty grotto]

grievous is pretty easy now, except on dungeons with lots of aoe or ridiculous dots

[dire wyvern]

they should move teeming into the +2 affix category

[modern brook]

Its ok nim, the first step to recovery is to admit you were abused in the first place

Teeming is 2 fold fucking lame

[lusty grotto]

fort + teeming is the fucking killer

[modern brook]

it adds mobs to shitty areas (ie kr 3rd hallway, the skip on underrot, etc)

it adds % to the dungeon so i no longer no my splits

[dire wyvern]

teeming does the same thing that tyrannical and fortified do

[lusty grotto]

i mean greivous is easy, just paired with tyrannical was kinda fucked up

[dire wyvern]

having them together isnt good

[modern brook]

will next season be out by then?

Fort teeming infected sounds like a dead week of wow

IDK if it'd be hard but that doesnt sound like fun

[dusk locust]

we're still estimating next raid is out early january right

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea lol

[modern brook]

that makes sense to me

It's a real shit idea to release new content during the holidays

[dusk locust]

yeah

[modern brook]

like for the playerbase and your employees

[steel mauve]

It wont be with 8 1

8.1

Itll be with 8.1.5, which is usually what they do

[uneven mason]

8.1 AKA "Tides me over"

Holidays + content lull = massive attrition of active players

[dire wyvern]

wont be 8.1.5

BoD will be mid jan ish

[uneven mason]

slam in that new raid right after the holidays when all them kids are flush with giftcards and Grandma cash to blow on Blizzard bucks

[dire wyvern]

8.1.5 will be later with the 2 boss raid

[uneven mason]

Like my guild right now is trying to scrouge enough folks to keep the mythic raids going

and its not too hot

[modern brook]

we stopped scheduling raids

It feels bad

[uneven mason]

redoing progression because new folks haven't seen Mythic Zek eyeburmz

"Oh on HC you have 3 seconds to move"

"yeah on mythic the whole thing is 3 seconds and if you're not spread we wipe"

😡 4% wipe - because 2 new DHs

humped the tanks

Oh combo + eyebeams isn't a good mix?

[modern brook]

😬

[uneven mason]

GG

[modern brook]

is there a fight where you stack with tanks in uldir?

I cant think of one

i guess m taloc technically

[uneven mason]

If you don't paladin it

yeah

I just paladin it

[modern brook]

^ yeah we paladin'd it

[uneven mason]

I mean, the paladin was out one week

and I had a DH co tank

[modern brook]

from a tanking perspective i think uldir was one of the more adventurous ones

[uneven mason]

I was like, Just tuant himt off of me when I get enlarged heart

[steel mauve]

Only mythoc taloc at certain points

[modern brook]

coming off of Antorous which was literally taunt swap is your mechanic

it was refreshing

[uneven mason]

and I'll take him back

and that worked

[steel mauve]

Theres no reason to be on the tanks otherwise...

[uneven mason]

except at 3% when everyone was like...super focusing on DER PEE ESS

[modern brook]

I wasnt tank for m prog so i actually dk how it was handled

[uneven mason]

but I saw it coming

and so did the disc priest + MW

[modern brook]

ijust know sometimes my pally would call to soak with him and id d-stance up and get fucked anyways cause no one else showed up

[uneven mason]

so I got a marble, Pain sup, shield wall demo shout max IP and the 3 folks who followed mechanics and actually stacked with me all died

but +++

Yeah I let the paladin eat a death

because

He was one of the folks who got me benched for 2 weeks because "prot is bad"

So I let him suffer when he fucks up his CDs

[modern brook]

we were doing the large mom room swaps

and i kept pulling aggro (as arms sorry)

[uneven mason]

Mom is a 1 tank fight

[modern brook]

so i asked my tanks how long do you need before i can burst down the adds

they said just immediately 😦

I got brez'd shortly after that

The point of that anecdote being that if I were tanking, my 👢 🍵 👏 wouldnt have lost aggro

[uneven mason]

I main tank mother

until the last room

I stay in the 2nd room

until it goes up in smoke

[modern brook]

i imagine tanking as warrior doesnt become challening until vectis, maybe Zul?

[uneven mason]

Well

[modern brook]

I feel like we have really good tools for everything but zul

[uneven mason]

I don't think any fight is challenging

we have amazing tools for everything

its how smart your healers are

they watch a DK tank and eat 40% Of their HP and expect them to heal 20% of it back

[modern brook]

prot bad though, cant even not be healed for 3 minutes

[uneven mason]

thye watch us take 40% over 12 seconds without healing

and then wonder why I'm at 30% 4 seconds later

and then yelling at them

Because apperntly healing the tanks that require spam healing is easier than healing the tank that doesn't spike atall

but actually does require your attention when they're missing health

my favorite was tanking mythic Zek

and the BDK crying for externals

so he could "AMS" one of the lashes

while I'm just like uh, Demo shout and block I'm good

[modern brook]

I'm fully convinced a large portion of BDK's and brms dont actually know how tanking works

[uneven mason]

No they do

but he is operating on this idea that makes him a better tank (not having 100% healing debuff)

when its the reality that if he ends up with the first void lash he'll probably die to the 2nd since he can't self heal enough between them

meanwhile I'm eating the whole combo with nothing but my teeth

since he's taking all the externals for himself

[prime pasture]

Prot feels so badass when you get those moments of just... Not taking damage.

[modern brook]

ok yeah thats fair

Def didnt consider how much harder lashes fuck bdk than us

[uneven mason]

they don't

I mean, I guess they do

jut we have SW for every other

and Last stand + DS for all of them

[prime pasture]

I need to consult the chart again, but can void lash itself be blocked?

[dusk locust]

i last stand and pool rage to cover all 3 hits with IP, and spell reflect the last

[steel mauve]

It cant be blocked, only shatter

[modern brook]

^

[placid mango]

jesus christ

[prime pasture]

Gotcha.

[jagged bay]

hi

[modern brook]

i think you can reduce it with spell reflect though

[prime pasture]

I'm a budding young shield boi, just trying to find my way in the world.

[placid mango]

thunderclap trait+thundergod's vigor+morale killer

[steel mauve]

Depending on how you do it, you either spell reflect the lash you are taking and last stand the combo, or last stand the combo and spell reflect the third lash, we have to switch after shatter

[placid mango]

demoralizing shout every third gcd

spooky

a 45s cd skill btw

[uneven mason]

5 seconds before Void lash - bag rage, make sure avatar and DS are available, hit IP 2 GCD to go, DS (gain the 40 rage back) hit LS (save rage for block) refresh IP (shatter) hit IP + Spell reflect

[prime pasture]

I did that for leveling in war mode.

[uneven mason]

dust your shoudler off while you wait 6 seconds for the healers to realize that combo happened already

[placid mango]

yeah prot levelling is scary

[daring marlin]

I mean

You don’t even need to make sure cds are there for the tankbuster/adds

[uneven mason]

I've never switched after shatter

[daring marlin]

Our cds line up so fucking well

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[daring marlin]

I don’t either

[uneven mason]

just gotta make sure you ahve enough rage for 3 IPs

[daring marlin]

Don’t drop below 80%

[uneven mason]

mean while in BDK land

"I NEED MARBLE!"

"I NEED RAPTURE"

[daring marlin]

and laugh at the bdk when he fucks up and doesn’t save ams for the first void lash

[uneven mason]

"I NEED PAIN SUP"

[daring marlin]

and he gets fucked

[uneven mason]

"I need BRES"

I said BDK

and summoned Levko

[ember arrow]

Bdk doesnt need anything for combo though. Ams just helps

[wild sandal]

should i drop archive trait for brace for impact?

[uneven mason]

The proud defender of the gimmic tank

[daring marlin]

LOL

[ember arrow]

More like correcting misinfo

[uneven mason]

[prime pasture]

Maybe Mac's BDK partner isn't the most skilled at his class and doesn't feel safe without the CDs.

Which is fine, since there are varying degrees of compotence.

[daring marlin]

It amazes me that people still swap off shatter

[uneven mason]

He's normally DPS to be fair

[modern brook]

@wild sandal only if ur in raid and have a different piece would I consider it. Mainstats really in aoe, reoriginiation is mandatory in raid

[daring marlin]

Even in heroic pugs

[astral crystal]

yeah im pretty sure bdk can survive anything with vamp blood alone or w/e it's called

[uneven mason]

he only tanks on Zek because we have a issue with stacking for the ants

so Gorefiends

[ember arrow]

Direct him to acherus

[prime pasture]

There ya go! And that explains it. So BDKs might not need CDs, but he's just not confident.

[wild sandal]

thank you @modern brook

[ember arrow]

Dk disc can answer hs questions

[prime pasture]

Peace and love and Wartorn rage, brothers.

[uneven mason]

To be fair he is top 10BDKs for M+ on my server, tanking....

but raid tanking

he isn't keen on

different animal

[ember arrow]

Mplus skill isnt raiding skill

[daring marlin]

inb4

[uneven mason]

so chances are yeah

[ember arrow]

Yes

What u said

[uneven mason]

he's nervious about how hard Zek hits

since you can't bonestorm that shit away

[daring marlin]

lol

[ember arrow]

Just tell him to join acherus ok

[uneven mason]

He is 😉

[ember arrow]

Oh

[uneven mason]

I just like ripping on him

for asking for externals

It was like the Guardian I tanked with in HC ABT

He's at Scyth 6

and screaming for help

and I'm like Oh waht #12?

[ember arrow]

23 hc stacks on warr

My record

[uneven mason]

I only got to 14

and then he did that fucking

rage cast

rather than scyth

so I wasted NF

[ember arrow]

Scythe always last prio

Predictable

[uneven mason]

yup

was my fuckup

I admit

[ember arrow]

I had 9 critnlocks

@uneven mason

[stark sage]

🅱ig

[prime pasture]

My record was 11. T-T But that was with 0 externals, cause my guild were apes. Now they've become sand fleas.

[ember arrow]

My fav boss was imonar

[prime pasture]

FIFTY FIVE MILLION?!?

[ember arrow]

So many butfons spam

@prime pastureyes

[prime pasture]

Coughs up blood

[uneven mason]

Penwryn missed Legion?

That wasn't even a "Big BIG" block + Absorb

only 2million IP

means he was slacking

[ember arrow]

@prime pasture

99% dr

Np

[uneven mason]

👍

[ember arrow]

I may defend bdk

But im warr at heart

[prime pasture]

I didn't play prot at the time, so I've never seen those kinds of blocks.

[uneven mason]

lol

I wish I had a shot of my double soak foebreaker

its like 270m raw damage

[prime pasture]

Honestly, I wasn't even tank. I got to play a bit of it during off nights, but never seriously.

[uneven mason]

took 4.5m

[prime pasture]

That's heckin' bananas.

[ember arrow]

Oh

And this

[uneven mason]

😄

Yeah warrior mitigation in Legion was 🖕 to anything that was blockable

[prime pasture]

Hopping into these discords make me wanna play WoW, only to realize I have no friends to play with and no guild to run content outside of raid nights.

[ember arrow]

On dk biggest ds

53mil

Same as 99% critblock DR

[prime pasture]

Absolutely nutter butters.

[modern brook]

@prime pasture def find a new guild then

only doing raid content is a great way to hate the game after 2 months every teir

[prime pasture]

As we speak, I'm leveling PLD in FFXIV.

[ember arrow]

@prime pasture

Rip legion IP

[daring marlin]

PLD?

gross

[prime pasture]

So, I might know where you're coming from.

[daring marlin]

be a man and play WAR

[prime pasture]

HEY

I leveled that til I got to DRK.

And then I fell in love.

Now I'm working on all 3 tanks.

[daring marlin]

mmm

I always level all three tanks in XIV first.

get some variety

between the dungeon spamarooni at the start of expacs

[prime pasture]

I started in SB, so I've got a lot of work ahead of me.

70 DRK, 53 WAR, 34 PLD. I just like the aesthetic of shield wearers.

[daring marlin]

You know what I like about PLD? They can hide their shield.

Theys should do that in WoW too.

[prime pasture]

That is a cool glamour.

How does one "find a guild"? @modern brook

[modern brook]

fuck if i know I've lucked into every guild thats ever taken me in

[prime pasture]

Same. Just pugged one night for heroic KJ and they stuck.

[modern brook]

I just know my wow fun level went from like a ~3 to a 12 as soon as i found a guild thats like relatively active and wants to do stuff off raid nights

[prime pasture]

Speaking of the jolly red bastard, I need his coloration on a few of my MT appearances.

[daring marlin]

Must be nice.

These idiots I raid with despise M+.

[prime pasture]

That's the worst thing!

[modern brook]

for what its worth guilford the guild feels like its dying

Raids arent even scheduled after ~3 weeks of ppl not showing up

😦

[ember arrow]

Oof

[modern brook]

I'm thinking its just holiday garbo

slash burn out on what ppl consider a shitty expansion and a contentless opening patch

but if come january its still an issue im probably going to start looking for a new guild

which is disapointing cause i really enjoy this one

[ember arrow]

Bfa is great what u talking about

So many new subs

[modern brook]

:^)

[ember arrow]

My guild went tru a dozen+ ppl quitting

We still raid amd replaced everyone

Including me ;)

[placid mango]

honestly i'm burned out too

but i can't say bfa is bad

it's just inferiror to legion

i was playing legion all fucking day

i was grinding legion

[ember arrow]

So its worse than what we used to have

[placid mango]

bfa is pretty nice

[ember arrow]

=bad

[placid mango]

nope

if what we had was 9/10

this is 8/10

[ember arrow]

[storm isle]

not sure it's a difference of 1

[placid mango]

imho this is the second best expac so far it just came after the best one so people hate it

yes

bfa's better than wotlk

come at me

and here's another unpopular opinion you can try to disprove

bfa's story is written like garbage

[storm isle]

i'm not going to disprove your opinion, but i think we need to know what makes something 9/10

and so on

[placid mango]

the alliance storyline is basically "hey we don't even know what's going on but the horde's doing it so we should too" and the horde storyline is "sylvanas is absolutely not evil stop telling us she is" even though she's clearly evil

[ember arrow]

Who cares about lore

[placid mango]

me

very much

[ember arrow]

Kill shit loot stuff

Bfa has things legion had but everythings downgraded

Ie, warfronts are garbage

Mission table pointless

[storm isle]

there is very little new stuff

[ember arrow]

Wq useless

Rng ontop of rng

Removed ML

Devolution of classes

[crystal creek]

Ya the follower missions are awful, I never do any.

[storm isle]

i do the AP ones and the str gem ones

[modern brook]

I think thats my biggest complaint with BFA

[ember arrow]

8.1 looks compleye ass thus far

[modern brook]

It feels like legion lite

[plain ice]

you forgot island expeditions

[ember arrow]

If bfa came be4 legion

[modern brook]

all the unique stuff in it ended up being disapointing or feeling incomplete

ie: expeditions and warfronts

[limber tulip]

My RL wants me to reroll dk 🙁

[ember arrow]

@plain ice i didnt ;)

[storm isle]

they are rng heavy to get anything loot you want

[ember arrow]

@limber tulip 🤔 🤔

[modern brook]

lol

[ember arrow]

Arent u dk already

[modern brook]

tell your raid lead there 3 weeks left in the tier

[limber tulip]

😆

[ember arrow]

Hes meming

Xd

[daring marlin]

awe uh have a little more than 3 weeks left

lol

[modern brook]

tfw u forget to shield block the memes and now u gotta ignore the pain

[ember arrow]

Azerite. U get more ilvl. Loose traits just to farm them later

[daring marlin]

[ember arrow]

Neck does nothing

[limber tulip]

[ember arrow]

Azerite works while unequiped

[modern brook]

Azerite is def a weird fucking step

[daring marlin]

asserite

is garbage

[modern brook]

it took the worst parts of legion AP and legion legendaries

[daring marlin]

worst part of this expac

[modern brook]

and said this is good now

[limber tulip]

nerfed

[modern brook]

conceptually i tihnk its really cool

[ember arrow]

@daring marlin too bad its most of the expansion

Xd

[modern brook]

in practice it was done very poorly

[daring marlin]

no shit

fucking garbage

I'd hate it less if they let me farm M+ for the shit

but nah

they shit in our mouths with the currency

and people said YES GIVE ME MORE PLEASE

[ember arrow]

Azerite gear has a worse conclusion than the 1930s

[daring marlin]

we can targeted farm the asserite now guise

yeah

over two months

you monkey

[modern brook]

u ok guilford?

[daring marlin]

I'm swell, buddy. How's your day?

[ember arrow]

Angery

[storm isle]

and it will make you go m0 and maybe famr hcs

[modern brook]

yeah u just seemed a little heated there

[daring marlin]

oh no

I thought it'd be a good meme

[storm isle]

to get azerite gear to scrap for the curency

[daring marlin]

lol

that'll be piddly shit

[ember arrow]

They know 99% of loot is garbage. So literally they made a garbage incinerator

[daring marlin]

^this man gets it

[ember arrow]

Sanguicell drops

I cant use it

Nice system.

Must use other proffs

[daring marlin]

I'm wearing a 385 haste/mastery belt I crafted

but I see where you're coming from

should have a vendor from launch

for shit

[ember arrow]

If bosses drop shit for everyone

[daring marlin]

can't even fucking sell it

[ember arrow]

Everyobe shud b able to use it

No?

[daring marlin]

yes

[modern brook]

yeah sanguicell and hydrocores are definitely a slap in the face

[daring marlin]

like a vendor that could sell anchor weed at least for it

lol

[modern brook]

^

I would like to bea ble to afford raiding this exp

[ember arrow]

I will come vback last week of bfa.

Skip the shit

Have bit of fun

Repeat

Basicly rng loot with boring content demotivated me

Tldr

[daring marlin]

sounds about right

[sick sentinel]

I have like 1 k sangs

Wtf am I supposed to do with them

[daring marlin]

eat them

duH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[modern brook]

U can trade 600 in for a flask

[ember arrow]

👌

[modern brook]

If the market value is low

[sick sentinel]

Like, alchemists and engineers have nothing to do with them

[lavish oracle]

Thats why they're adding a sangicell feast :D

[sick sentinel]

They are?

[lavish oracle]

8.1, yeah

[lusty grotto]

I can't fucking use samguicells because I don't have enough scrappythingies to get my recipes

[sick sentinel]

Thank god

[daring marlin]

git gud nim

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grottobuy greens :^)

[lusty grotto]

I've been scrapping everything goddamn it

[daring marlin]

I spent like 15k buying greens

for more expulsom

[sick sentinel]

I have a guy on my bank alt's friend list

[daring marlin]

another shit part of this expac

[ember arrow]

Work at garbagedisposal

[sick sentinel]

ThatI I CoD him all my greens

[ember arrow]

Bfa irl

[lusty grotto]

Naw my greens are for disenchanting

[sick sentinel]

For 100gold each

[daring marlin]

battle for scrappers

[lusty grotto]

Yeah expulsom not scrappy thingies, Guilford you silly goose

[ember arrow]

I dont remember these convos about legion

[lusty grotto]

There were

Back when fucking bloods were for nothing

[daring marlin]

fuck are you on about m8? @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

And there was no blood vendor

[sick sentinel]

Nim is right

[inland mesa]

I thought someone said spell reflect worked on Mythrax and add sheer, I know it doesn't reflect the damage, but it still reduces, correct?

[daring marlin]

I'm talking about the scrapper

[sick sentinel]

People bitched about bloods like they are now with cores/cells

If they add a sanguicell vendor market prices are gonna PLUMMET

[ember arrow]

Not bloods

But ecp

[lusty grotto]

Otoh there were wq for them, there are t this time around

[ember arrow]

As a whole

[wintry ermine]

yeah its magic damage, reduces it

[daring marlin]

price of what?

[sick sentinel]

@inland mesa it still reduces

[wintry ermine]

@inland mesa

[sick sentinel]

You can parry essence sear tho

If ur a loser u can parry

[ember arrow]

Or dodge

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

Or be a man and block it

[inland mesa]

kk, our 7/8M guild died, and I'm trialing in an 8/8 next week and want to be up to speed on warrior since my other guild cried and made me monk

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[sick sentinel]

And have the healers wake up

[ember arrow]

@sick sentineltaking no dmg<taking reduced dmg?

[sick sentinel]

My start for mythraxx was to use my lions roar thingy crit trinket

If it wakes my healers up, I'll rather take damage

[lusty grotto]

Parry haste is still a thing

[sick sentinel]

Array became crit

[lusty grotto]

Get hasted melees by parrying sir

[sick sentinel]

Parry became absolutely massive

I lump healers with dps, both have windowlicker syndrome

[wintry ermine]

huh, nice idea Kage, I got one of those trinkets which could bump my parry to 30+%

[inland mesa]

Do you need to CD the sheers, or DS, SR and an IP is enough?

[wintry ermine]

IP+SR every one

[sick sentinel]

If you can't parry it'd be best to have those CDs up for a sheer

But rng mitigation is trash so I changed tactic

I now use my fat 375 jes

And my array becomes vers

And I take it in the face with spell reflect

[inland mesa]

they also do a different Fetid strat keeping boss in midlde of room and I may be thrash tank instead of main aggro, so if anyone had logs/video of doing thrash so I can look at timing

do you stack crit array to guarantee a parry on sheer, or how else do you avoid

[daring marlin]

I have too much haste and not enough vers for array to turn to vers when I use my 380 jes'

omega

[lusty grotto]

But sir

How could you not want those tasty gcds

[sick sentinel]

@inland mesa you stack haste array so you have a CD for each one

I was explaining my Meme HC strats, not to be taken seriously

I would not try parry array if ur having issues with haste array on myth

[lusty grotto]

Guaranteed replies

[inland mesa]

Yeah, I was just going to face tank sheers with SR, DS, and IP but if it's not enough I can try ot rage weave to alternate LS and SW into them. As long as I'm close add that dies in one, taking two in intermission would be rough

[lusty grotto]

Uhhhhh

sees LS

Waitaminute.gif

[inland mesa]

for the hp, not to block it 😛

[lusty grotto]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why not just rally it

Don't hold LS for that

[wintry ermine]

Only done a few tries on M Mythrax but the shear really doesn't feel like enough damage to be a trouble

just use LS to block every attack of his

[ember arrow]

Isnt main threat on him his autos

[wintry ermine]

it feels that way yeah

and other mechanics stacking ontop of the shear damage

[inland mesa]

Yeah, like I said, killed it on monk. Just doing my homework to be ready. If sheer isn't the issue and SR DS IP covers then even more groovy

[lusty grotto]

Which is why holding LS for it is a mistake

Keep using ls to cover SB gaps, that's it

[wintry ermine]

I'd say IP and SR for the sheer, and block every attack

thats about it 😄

[lusty grotto]

If you need the hp only, rally

[inland mesa]

and just SW a bad aoe/orb plus sheer combo?

[wintry ermine]

yeah

[inland mesa]

the warriors 382, so I doubt i Need the hp, can blockades probably for that and g'huun

[wintry ermine]

you should have 1 SW for every p1

[lusty grotto]

Sure

I just mentioned hp because you did

[inland mesa]

they've just been spoiled with BDK and Monk, so they'll have to get used to warrior healing be a lil different

[lusty grotto]

Yeah, it will be less if done right

[inland mesa]

with haste array, is keeping block up for fetid thrash as difficult as it was early tier?

[lusty grotto]

You should have enough effective uptime on it if done right

[wintry ermine]

I've only done main tank fetid since my haste is pretty shit

[inland mesa]

I want to do main tank it, but I dunno if BDK will swap roles with me

[ember arrow]

Wut

He should offtank

[wintry ermine]

BDK is godmode on that thrash imo 😮

[ember arrow]

Bdk best offtank

[inland mesa]

I know, they were just doing monk i think off tank and bdk main. lemme look

[ember arrow]

Weird

[inland mesa]

because they were using death's advance to not move the boss and keep it in middle of room

to cheese knockback

[ember arrow]

What does that have to do

With who is main tank

Bdk maintank is 10 times worse to heal

Unnecessary

[inland mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9LT74hNdMc28RZb1#fight=42&view=replay

[ember arrow]

Monk laughs at boss melees

[inland mesa]

BDK main monk thrash unless I'm looking at it wrong

[lusty grotto]

get knocked > intervene instantly

[ember arrow]

Weird @inland mesa

Should swap

Easier for all

[lusty grotto]

Well whatever works for them

🤷

Hold up, did yall coordinate to put santa hats on your avatar pics

What the shit?

[inland mesa]

do you deadzone intervene at all that he shifts? we just tanked him against a wall so different strat and role on that one. I'm worried about Fetid, Mythrax, and G'huun just as I haven't gotten past beam 2 or on warrior. I don't have the 10% vers to smooth it

[ember arrow]

Yes

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

Now we need Chef Santa Nimchip

I mean you just mash intervene

When flying, he shouldn't move much

But you could deffo intervene a deaths advanced bdk as well

Idk

[ember arrow]

Or stand near a wall

[inland mesa]

yeah, that's what we did, I dunno if I can come in and be like why is your strat not this XD

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I'm thinking that might not be the best idea

But you could suggest it

[proud dust]

on a scale of carboard box to bloodDK how good will warriors be in 8.1 after IP is off the GCD?

thinkin about leveling mine up if its worth

[lusty grotto]

woof there it is guys

[prime pasture]

They're already p strong.

[lusty grotto]

today's 8.1 question of the day

[proud dust]

yep

[lusty grotto]

you win today's award Kickproof

[proud dust]

awesome

what do i get

[modern brook]

surprised it took till noon tbh

[lusty grotto]

🎈 here you go

[proud dust]

nice

[prime pasture]

They're just strong at different things. And you actually have to play properly.

[lusty grotto]

🎅 will be extra good with you this year 😃

[modern brook]

To answer your Q: ip off global does a lot for the spec; bad players will be less bad, good players need to be less perfect

[proud dust]

can i sit on your lap and ask for more buffs?

[modern brook]

if we get more buffs we'll be nerfed into unplayability by 8.2

[lusty grotto]

i don't agree with the whole ip off-gcd thing... rage required is still a thing. If you're a bad prot you will continue to be bad, especially if you are a legion baby ip spammer

[modern brook]

IP off gcd is huge

REvenge procs mean stuff now

[lusty grotto]

if you can't maintain block up, you will get fucked still

[modern brook]

You no longer need to not shield slam in avatar

You dont spam it like Legion

[lusty grotto]

of course you don't

[modern brook]

but not having to plan around your IP casts is a big deal

[wintry ermine]

that adds a bit more damage in cases where we had a lot of damage

[modern brook]

no

[lusty grotto]

yes

[prime pasture]

I dunno what to do anymore...

[stark sage]

IP off the gcd just helps a little bit in every department

[modern brook]

it adds more rage generation where we previously had to choose between spending and building

[proud dust]

see Nimchip? They were just waiting for somone to ask

[lusty grotto]

i mean, i'm not saying its bad

just that it won't make bad prots better

[wintry ermine]

its a great change, but it is small.

[stark sage]

^

[primal crypt]

Rerolled bois

[lusty grotto]

gtfo yamo, youre no longer my friend

[stark sage]

how big of an improvement just depends on how well you managed your GCDs before

[primal crypt]

Lel i kid i kid

[lusty grotto]

all of the changes as a whole make it slightly stronger

but what we lack is still utility

[modern brook]

👀

[prime pasture]

Hey! Rally is nice... Sometimes...

[proud dust]

who needs utility when you are laying down the wood?

[primal crypt]

Are we finally viable?

[lusty grotto]

plsnotroll

pls

[modern brook]

ease and fluidity of rotation and decisions doesnt help bad players, its grip

[primal crypt]

I only have a short break nim

[lusty grotto]

what would help bad players is a decent recovery option

[primal crypt]

I need to get the most out of this chat right now

[ember arrow]

Prot is as fluid as a river of bricks

[lusty grotto]

but i'm certainly not asking for it

😉

[prime pasture]

... A road?

Is a river of bricks not a road?

[ember arrow]

No

[modern brook]

it sounds like a road

[primal crypt]

I just dumped my vanilla yogurt into my coffee to save time

[lusty grotto]

5000 IQ

[primal crypt]

Give me more chat pliz

[ember arrow]

@primal crypti put you on fbi watchlist

[lusty grotto]

shit i should do that

[ember arrow]

For that

[modern brook]

that cannot enhance either of those things

[primal crypt]

Wat

[lusty grotto]

hey dont knock it until you've tried it

[primal crypt]

Its like creamer

Same shit

Lolol

[modern brook]

😠

[lusty grotto]

what if it's like anal

[modern brook]

I dont want anal in my coffee either nim

[ember arrow]

Dont u guys have asses

[prime pasture]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

HEY dont knock it until youve tried it!

[primal crypt]

My coffee is very chunky now

[prime pasture]

My body.

[primal crypt]

Like pulpy

[ember arrow]

@primal crypt so are u

Rekt

[modern brook]

jesus christ

[proud dust]

coffee makes me poop. i think we are on to somthing here

[coral dew]

So assuming in 8.1 you can stack the new trait Bastion of Might 3 times, that's seems UBER strong

[lusty grotto]

ehh

[primal crypt]

Ehhh

[modern brook]

is bom the avatar ip one?

[ember arrow]

https://youtu.be/NUpKaG9qtWo

[prime pasture]

I like the valor set better.

[ember arrow]

@primal crypt

[coral dew]

IP + huge Mastery

[primal crypt]

That's me exactly @ember arrow

But with a Korean spin

[modern brook]

is our mastery still crit block?

[ember arrow]

North korea

[primal crypt]

Maybe more a panda?

[wintry ermine]

one DC, one BoM, one.....bloodsport 😄

[primal crypt]

Wat

Wat

4hed

[modern brook]

Let me rephrase: I dont get why you'd want 3 boms if IP only stacks 1.3 times

[coral dew]

Maybe it's a seperate IP

Jk

[primal crypt]

BTW

[coral dew]

Probably not

[modern brook]

@wintry ermine 1dc, 1 bm, 4 callous reprisal

[primal crypt]

I hope you guys are proud

[modern brook]

:^)

[wintry ermine]

hahaha

[primal crypt]

Some guy came in trolling my stream

For being prot

[modern brook]

casual 6% dr per stack

[primal crypt]

And i converted him into a believer

[prime pasture]

👏

[coral dew]

How you get 4 callous reprisal?

[primal crypt]

Add one more silly

[modern brook]

you gotta get to neck level 100, and leave ur gamecube on for 36 hours straight

[primal crypt]

Just put a 4th one on

[coral dew]

Kk brb gonna try

[ember arrow]

@gilded tendon sucks

Oh it doesnt work

Anymore

[primal crypt]

Mmmmmmmmmmm

[wintry ermine]

has anyone meme'd with 3 bloodsports yet? I wanna see the healing done in heroic uldir for example

or high m+

[ember arrow]

Why not instead visage

[wintry ermine]

why not both

[primal crypt]

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED

obviously

[deft hinge]

Filthy Transfusion x3 is where it's at

[ember arrow]

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @ember arrow

[ember arrow]

Eyyyy

[primal crypt]

I don't think I've even come across a bloodsport piece lol

Only DC and BFI

and maybe a callous reprisal

[deft hinge]

lucky you -- i'm drowning in bloodsport

[primal crypt]

I have 2 DC pieces right now

Had to choose which one I wanted to use

[wintry ermine]

someone get on it

[inland mesa]

I have helm and chest, and then archieve helm and chest, rip the 2 archieve dream 😦

[primal crypt]

@wintry ermine LOL

I'm on it

[lusty grotto]

still gonna rock 2x BFI 1x DC

post 8.1

[primal crypt]

@lusty grotto donttttt

Bloodsport

[wintry ermine]

1 of the new trait should be better than bfi

[lusty grotto]

just because of the mastery, nah

[primal crypt]

Or just reroll dh with me

And fel rush around zuldazar

[lusty grotto]

BFI is active regardless of Avatar cd

sure with AM avatar has about a 45s cd but still

[wintry ermine]

feels like a lot of value, but it feels good that it's a choice 😃

[lusty grotto]

also remember that it does nothing for spell dmg

a rage-less IP, that's it

but then again BFI does nothing for spell dmg either

[wintry ermine]

a free IP is more for spell damage than BFI at least

[lusty grotto]

i guess that's true

[wintry ermine]

and that will still feel like our achilles heel

[lusty grotto]

i don't know, i'm not convinced

it's certainly good

but i like BFI more 😃

[coral dew]

But what about the mastery in BoM

On*

[lusty grotto]

what about it

[coral dew]

Seems like a lot if it stacks

[lusty grotto]

it does stack

but it does nothing if you manage SB + LS well

crit blocks sure

thats the only important part

[coral dew]

Hmmm

[lusty grotto]

i guess it'll be interesting to see how much chance of crit blocking you get

[wintry ermine]

also increases attack power right?

larger IP

more damage

[lusty grotto]

but it's still on avatars cd

[wintry ermine]

yeah I don't think stacking them will make sense

[coral dew]

I mean avatar you're usually popping nearly off CD anyway no?

[lusty grotto]

you lose a lot of other traits that might be active the whole time

[coral dew]

Well, not always but still, very often

[inland mesa]

what are you thinking is the ideal then

[lusty grotto]

i gotta say, i'm interested in testing out 1 DC 2 Bastion

just for dps purposes

[daring marlin]

stackng bom will be amazing

[coral dew]

Well BoM is only on the 5th ring right?

So all the other stuff will largely still be available in the 4th ring yeah?

[daring marlin]

no

It can be on 4th too

Either or

[coral dew]

Hmm okay

[daring marlin]

not both simultaneously

[primal crypt]

Stack 5 of them

And it'll be really good

[lusty grotto]

BoM is on the same ring as BFI

wait

either or?

well shit

[coral dew]

I thought it was only on the new ring

Which was what seemed to be the main selling point of a 5th ring

That it mmo otw includes the "new" traits

It now*

Fcking phone

So like theoretically you could get a few stacks of bom and bfi for example

[wintry ermine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VqYF1va6Npk9w3BJ#fight=2&type=healing&source=19

[lusty grotto]

so far i've only seen BFI and IF on the 5th ring - which is where BoM is

[wintry ermine]

close to perfect traits!

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=164872/sinister-gladiators-plate-shoulders?azerite-powers=1

that has BFI + BoM 😮

[coral dew]

Oh sweet daddi

[primal crypt]

Oh shit

Wowowow

Yoooooo

[coral dew]

See I told you guys >:)

Dont worry boys, I'll take it from here on the theorycrafting ahem

[daring marlin]

Why would you need a bunch of bom to make it good?

A 415 piece has over 600 mastery

hella AP

[coral dew]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[daring marlin]

bfi memes

[coral dew]

So 2 BoMs would be fucking huge no?

And that's just 2

[daring marlin]

gimme 3

[inland mesa]

ideal is 1 DC, 2 BFI, 3 BoM?

then all the gutrippers

[coral dew]

And 1 BBC

;)

I'm sorry.

Question, hypothetically speaking: does punish and heavy repercussions modify the additional damage added by BFI or is BFI added on at the very end of the damage equation

[lusty grotto]

1 DC 3x BFI 3x BoM

wait

mathcrashed.gif

yes 1 DC 2x BFI 3x BoM

[inland mesa]

too manys D:

[lusty grotto]

goddamn

i'm already hard

[inland mesa]

is that BFI BoM piece even achieveable, says timewalking >.>

[coral dew]

Wowhead is wierd

But it looks like a pvp piece

"Gladiator"

[inland mesa]

yeah, guess i gotta get that RBG group back in swing

[lusty grotto]

it increases it but it shouldn't be additive

[coral dew]

Bring me

[lusty grotto]

its multiplicative

[coral dew]

Tclap avator cleave tank

Avatar*

[inland mesa]

I got denied from guilds cuz my dps parses were bad 😦

[lusty grotto]

you mean bootyclap 👢 🍵 👏 right?

[inland mesa]

when I did all the crappy jobs, and raid lead, and hand hold called like a billy the bass version of big wigs

[coral dew]

Nim sorry just to clarify so if you're BFI adds 900dmg to your next shield slam, if you've got heavy rep and punish does it go higher?

[lusty grotto]

listen

[coral dew]

Or still added in as flat dmg

[inland mesa]

I also didn't have archieve until last week. Was using laser matrix >.>