protection

[outer tundra]

Ring, not run

[supple path]

Huh, haven't seen a ring with str on it in ages

[neon tangle]

Maybe easier to just post a screenshot of the rings ?

[outer tundra]

Timewarped ilvl 345 ring of three lights

[supple path]

Ahhh timewarped nonsense.

But yeah based on what you said the first is better imo

That's too many secondaries to give up for some str

[outer tundra]

Kk thanks

[keen spire]

Man

Every time I consider going with another tank to have something else in reserve, I'm just like... "But dat prot dps tho"

[daring marlin]

asserite doesn't drop from dungeons

I love PL

play prot paladin then

they can do some legit damage

[keen spire]

Is it comparable to prot warrs?

I haven't played prot pal this xpac

Plus their discord is a garbage fire

lol

[daring marlin]

which is why I ditched that shit

LOL

[keen spire]

dude seriously it's the worst

It is a huge deterrent

[astral crystal]

prot pally discord has it all, from memes to pedophile mods

[keen spire]

Oof.

[daring marlin]

lolwat

That came out of left field.

[astral crystal]

just #realtalk

ret is a really funny channel tho

[keen spire]

Yo forreal though I'm doing like 8-9k single target with prot warr, and when I get those juicy packs in Uldir, I'm literally doing 70k plus

Does prot paladin even hold a damn candle?

[daring marlin]

prot paladin single target

takes a giant dump

on prot warrior single target

[keen spire]

Oh shit really?

[ancient reef]

also prot pallies are a load of fun in pvp

[daring marlin]

I hate that seraphim is on the gcd

but prot pally is quite fun

@neon tangle R U STILL SAD

[keen spire]

Seems prot paladins are pretty much right on par with prot warr in every fight but Zekvoz

Prot warriors seem to have better sustained AoE overall, but paladins aren't toof ar behind

interesting

[neon tangle]

I’m always sad

[keen spire]

:c

[cinder nova]

Prot paladins are absurd in 2s/3s

[daring marlin]

yeah man

and I bet you are sad

playing a dk now

sadboybox

[keen spire]

Ew

If yall had to pick a VDH, a Prot Pally, or a Prot Warr to run M+ as, all equally geared, what would you pick?

[oblique garnet]

But dks are so much fun

[keen spire]

BDK is not an option

[oblique garnet]

Out of those prot warrior

Mostly because i dont like vdh

[keen spire]

Why's that?

[neon tangle]

Why not BDK?

[keen spire]

BDK is literally the only class I have not enjoyed at any point

lol

the only spec, even

since its inception

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet would you use the badge over a STR trinket?

[neon tangle]

I’d prolly chose VDH or prot pally, really up to what you enjoy at that point

Prot pally always feels too slow to me

[keen spire]

I just like challenging my dps members

I like making them work for the top spot

Keeps em on their toes 😉

Which is why no Guardian or BrM

And BDK I just can't stand

I main prot warr, and fuckin RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP enemies apart... but I'm lookin for an alt tank just in case things go south for Prot

It's a purely selfish question

lol

[primal crypt]

prot pally

will sustain you nicely

[keen spire]

I'm leaning that way because of being a plate tank and because demon form on vengeance is fucking ugly

But mobility is a thing

[supple path]

I'd probably go VDH as my secondary tank if you hate DKs, since Havoc DH is a really quality offspec for m+ too.

[primal crypt]

and the way their health YOYOs

it wont feel good

you'll like the way pally feels over DK/DH

[keen spire]

Hmmm

I do hate the way bdk's health just fucking spikes

[primal crypt]

it's the same on VDH

[keen spire]

Bummer

[primal crypt]

with spirit bomb burst heals

[keen spire]

They're all about reactive tanking then?

[primal crypt]

mhmm

[keen spire]

I played one in legion, but didn't even get into heroic raiding with it

[primal crypt]

burn souls and spirit bomb the hell out of things

[keen spire]

Mained the prot warr

[supple path]

I will say DK is actually pretty proactive in its reactiveness - you like to pool runic power beforehand for 'reactive' use to heavy damage.

[primal crypt]

^

but you dont really pool for that long

like, you wont be holding forever

[supple path]

Yeah, 10-15 seconds or so at most

[primal crypt]

still death striking mucho

[keen spire]

You can’t react if you’re dead tho

[oblique garnet]

Yamorino what did badge do?

[primal crypt]

Vers/on use str

[oblique garnet]

Probably not

Out of on use str id go with vial

Depends tho what options do you have @primal crypt

[small bison]

Hello first of all i'd like to say hi, im wondering if it is viable to switch my 330 azerite chest for a 385 with bloodsport even tough i would be missing my only piece with deafening crash.

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[primal crypt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/517101176664358923/unknown.png @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

I personally like gore+ syringe combo in m+ especially tyrannical weeks

[keen spire]

Honestly, @small bison , I'd use the 330 piece with DC on heavy AoE fights like Zul/Zek, but replace it for the 385 on everything else. DC is too good right now for sustained AoE.

330 is pretty damn low though. You can find another piece that's at least 340 pretty easily

[oblique garnet]

Its still not worth 55 itemlevels

Thats way too much on purely stats alone

[keen spire]

Even with the perma uptime on aoe adds?

Idk man

You're going to take way less damage and deal way more damage with the reduc/buff than 55 item levels would give you in either area

Maybe not deal way more damage, but take less, for certain

Unless they already went live with the 6sec cap

in which case, ditch the 330

lol

[oblique garnet]

The amount of str stamina and armor you lose in 55ilvl

[keen spire]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'd wanna see the math

[primal crypt]

@oblique garnet syringe over the button/

?*

[keen spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel mauve]

DC is worth 45 ilvls

one of the theorycrafters in this discord did the napkin math on it, didnt pin it i dont believe, but mathed out 15 ilvls to be ~2% DR, and dc is worth ~6% DR, but this was a couple months ago

[keen spire]

Ooooooooooh

I like this

[oblique garnet]

@primal crypt i dont personally like button the cd is so long compared to the damage

[steel mauve]

granted thats pure defensive, thats not counsidering the dmg boost BV gives you

or the dps ilvls gains, thats just pure damage reduction

[keen spire]

Yeah, I imagine it's similar though

[daring marlin]

@steel mauve finally updated your pfp

about time!

[steel mauve]

we obviously have no way to determine how exactly accurate dc is to ilvl, but thats as close as we can get

[keen spire]

I honestly forgot that the fuckin 330 gear didn't have the extra ring

So I stand corrected.

[steel mauve]

i figured i would get into the spirit

[oblique garnet]

Its still november

[steel mauve]

but thanksgiving is over

[oblique garnet]

I never understood what the thanks giving celebration is for anyways

[keen spire]

For massacring native americans

[oblique garnet]

Oh is it that celebration?

[keen spire]

Yep.

[oblique garnet]

I see

[keen spire]

Probably the 2nd most fucked up holiday we have

Traditions are nice though

and the general sentiment is positive

it's just in poor taste when you look at its origins

[prisma crane]

so just let it be something positive now and leave it at that

[daring marlin]

LOL

[keen spire]

I mean, I enjoy Thanksgiving just as much as the next guy

But ignoring history is probably a bad idea

[steel mauve]

the day we give thanks for stealing the land from native americans

but some how turned it into a holiday to celebrate what we are thankful for

[supple path]

We celebrate thanksgiving by planning to wipe our own extended families from the face of the Earth. It's a heartwarming American tradition.

[keen spire]

Hahaha

[steel mauve]

right before the day we try to kill each other to buy what we dont have

[keen spire]

^

Valentine's Day is kinda weird to celebrate too

[worthy dagger]

the only reason i like thanksgiving is because of the damn stuffing

that shit is good

[keen spire]

AYO

lol

I don't understand why people only eat stuffing during Thanksigiving

[oblique garnet]

There are some illegal bets during midsummers festival in finland as to how many people will drown but i guess thats the most fucked up finnish tradition

[worthy dagger]

and valentines day you can always stuff your girlfriend so if you think about its always thanksgiving

[keen spire]

Girlfriend... 🤔

[supple path]

I feel like if you went through the romantic efforts you do on Valentine's day on literally any other day you'd have even better results.

[keen spire]

yep

I never understood V-Day

Makes no sense to only perform romantic acts on a single day

[worthy dagger]

but what about the stuffing

[steel mauve]

its a holiday for hallmark to get rich off their cards and gifts 😉

[keen spire]

like.. let that shit run wild yo

[supple path]

It's a corporate bs holiday designed to sell cards and chocolates - fortunately that's my wife's opinion, too.

[keen spire]

haha

[steel mauve]

ya i got lucky

[keen spire]

I mean, I feel like most reasonable people would understand that Valentine's Day is a hoax

[steel mauve]

mine would rather a random rose on any other day

[keen spire]

and that professing love and affection throughout a relationship is kinda.. important...

[prisma crane]

and most reasonable people are probably bored of the soap box during all major holidays too

[keen spire]

regardless of the day..

Shots fired

pew pew

bang bang

dies

😛

Just a conversation, didn't mean to soapbox

sorry if I bored you Krotos

❤

[small bison]

Thanks guys im replacing it then, now another question, what is the best way to figure out stat distribution?

[keen spire]

In what context?

[prisma crane]

fair enough, just personally find people who always remind people of the worst of things are just as annoying as the potheads who preach about how it's legality is the most important thing in the world

@small bison there isnt one, just go for ilvl

and then go for haste

[small bison]

Ok sounds good then thanks a lot!

[keen spire]

Haste is king, but the only thing you're gonna worry about is which rings to equip, in my experience

And I guess don't get servant splitter

xD

[prisma crane]

yea, unless you just swim in loot drops ilvl will win out

[chilly brook]

ugh

[prisma crane]

servant splitter would still be an upgrade if it's a much higher ilvl

[keen spire]

True.

[prisma crane]

the base dps of the weapon is a huge contributor to our IP

[chilly brook]

The gear shuffling I have to do in order to get haste for my Reorigination Array

RIP when your RA piece is 360

[daring marlin]

tfw no mythic mother helm

feelsbfaman

[chilly brook]

yep...

[keen spire]

tfw no DC raid pieces

x_x

[small bison]

Working on my weapon tho, i have a 335 weapon sadly.

This ^

[worthy dagger]

that 350 razan tho

[keen spire]

Yo what's that addon that expands the char stats again?

[chilly brook]

I mean I'm limited on options here

[keen spire]

I forgot it and I just got a new comp

[worthy dagger]

nah bro youre good

prots 4ever

[oblique garnet]

Lvl 26 neck?

[primal crypt]

@keen spire Deja Character Stats

[keen spire]

Thanks yam

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet yea I really can't be bothered grinding AP

Or doing dailies

[keen spire]

^

[chilly brook]

Way too much busywork tbh

[worthy dagger]

I only do emmisaries too

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i mean my dk which i got to max lvl 2 days ago has 26lvl neck...

[keen spire]

😮

[chilly brook]

I mean that's kinda how the catchup system works

[small bison]

This is how im sitting right now, any feedback would be great(again, working on weapon via spamming M+s no luck tho)

[chilly brook]

But anyways, here's the question

380 button

or 375 vial

[primal crypt]

LUL NTY

[sick sentinel]

@daring marlin don't be sad about that 385 reinforced plating, put it in the oven and in 2 weeks it will be a glorious 385 BoM

[oblique garnet]

375 vial

[worthy dagger]

button is really bad

[oblique garnet]

It really is

[keen spire]

Isn't it BiS for some shit though

like Arms or something idek

[oblique garnet]

The damage it does is around the same as 2 thunder claps but it has 2min cd

[keen spire]

LOL

[worthy dagger]

it can be a nice burst on pvp

but thats about it

[oblique garnet]

^

[keen spire]

So it's like a slightly worse

[chilly brook]

Also

Wish me luck bois

[primal crypt]

But it has soooo much STRRRR

[worthy dagger]

why did you bring that talent up, it breaks my heart

[oblique garnet]

Id rather take ravager over button

[keen spire]

xD

[primal crypt]

:*(

[chilly brook]

trialing with a 6/8 guild tonight

[primal crypt]

Good luck Griff

[keen spire]

Noice

Get it son

[worthy dagger]

pick devastator for parse

[keen spire]

You got dis

[primal crypt]

did you trick them some how?

[worthy dagger]

haha

[keen spire]

Represent the prot clan well /salute

[chilly brook]

lmao

[oblique garnet]

How to get into guild step 1: They are looking for a tank say that you also have other tanks step 2 prove yourself on warrior

[worthy dagger]

i havent done yet but how bad we suck on this week for m+?

[chilly brook]

Nah step 1

[oblique garnet]

Its fortified sanguine and necrotic right?

[worthy dagger]

ye

last week was easy

[chilly brook]

"I see you're looking for a tank the question I would ask you is do you care more about the class of the tank or the skill of the player"

[primal crypt]

this week isn't bad

just get someone that can help kite

[chilly brook]

bada boom bada bing you're in the door

[oblique garnet]

Its annoying week nothing else with all the fucking mobs that never move

[worthy dagger]

the kiting is what pisses me off, im a prot and i want to facetank

[primal crypt]

I feel the same

[worthy dagger]

well obviously ataldazar will be easy, wish all instances had the same layout as atal

[primal crypt]

I have a frost mage though

that I run with

EZ as pie

[worthy dagger]

like the same concept

[primal crypt]

this week

[crude ether]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K8j1pRzry2dbBqt3/#fight=last&type=damage-done @shut summit

I did it dad

[primal crypt]

All the dungeons are ez this week, just need to remember to pull back

[crude ether]

M g'huun dies to another prot warrior boys

[oblique garnet]

Gz

[primal crypt]

Gz

[worthy dagger]

i feel like prot scales really well

[sick sentinel]

Gz!

[worthy dagger]

we struggle at start but once you get past the 370 mark its piece of cake

[oblique garnet]

Got couple more weeks to go till we get to ghuun

[worthy dagger]

i wonder why demi had lazer instead of titan

[primal crypt]

probab misequip

[worthy dagger]

they had a feral too

[steel mauve]

RA is RA, some times we dont get the drops we want and have to make due

[worthy dagger]

thats pretty cool

[crude ether]

for the healing mostly

[sick sentinel]

Is there a thing similar to RoA in the new raid? Haven't seen anything like it yet

[worthy dagger]

the healing is minimum

healed 12k during all fight

[sick sentinel]

Because in fights like zek when does his combo and I use my jes, my array goes to vers and it skyrockets and that's something I find interesting

[oblique garnet]

I was wondering if i could stack enough crit to get 50% crit chance so i could parry everything

[primal crypt]

my guy

[worthy dagger]

bae

[oblique garnet]

Ravager for zul crawgs 🤔

[worthy dagger]

dont ever repeat that again sir

ravager is nothing but a dream

[oblique garnet]

Ima test it out

[worthy dagger]

AM is too good

[oblique garnet]

I know

[primal crypt]

Rav. Ager.

[ember arrow]

a

[oblique garnet]

Maybe it could work

Just maybe

[primal crypt]

Perfect for necrotic

[lusty grotto]

bros

I PRESENT YOU THIS GUY

https://raider.io/characters/us/icecrown/Slayabunny

[primal crypt]

sup Nim

[worthy dagger]

the 1 min cd sucks tho

[primal crypt]

what about him...?

[lusty grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/icecrown/Slayabunny

look at his prot talents

[outer dew]

he's arms

lol

[lusty grotto]

click the prot one

not hard

[primal crypt]

oh.

4head.

[outer dew]

ooh

heavy repercussion

[lusty grotto]

called him out

[primal crypt]

Dev/Rep

[outer dew]

i can

[primal crypt]

I like it

[outer dew]

appreciate that guy

[lusty grotto]

he went off about how warriors had it on the +10 raider.io lol

LOL

i mean

rofl

[outer dew]

wdym

just let the guy believe

it could be good

who knows

if shit dies fast on +10's

[lusty grotto]

i told him to hop on discord

[outer dew]

it really isn't that big of an issue

[lusty grotto]

it could die faster

if he had BV

[worthy dagger]

feel like you need specific traits to make HR viable

that trait that you stack shield slam

and BM + AM is so good

[outer dew]

i've thought about it

[lusty grotto]

BFI?

HR isn't viable in any scenario lol

[worthy dagger]

yeah

ia gree

its a pretty cool talent tho

[lusty grotto]

its just funny the guy went "look at raider.io 10 keys"

[worthy dagger]

but the fact that you need rng to help you sucks

[chilly brook]

What's the drop in effectiveness for block against a raid boss?

[worthy dagger]

dunno

[steel mauve]

how do you mean?

[outer dew]

wait

where are your guy's santa hats

[astral crystal]

on my other head

😏

[chilly brook]

@steel mauve when you're fighting anything that's above your level it goes by a different block mitigation

[prisma crane]

it's not level based anymore

8.0 Values for K:
Base: 6300
M/M+: 7100.1
Uldir-normal: 7736.4
Uldir-heroc: 8467.2
Uldir-mythic: 9311.4

[steel mauve]

technically it is, its 120-123 all have different block values and the different difficulties all have different values as well

[prisma crane]

explain how there's 4 values above baseline then

so you're saying there's 20 different block %s?

at max level*

[steel mauve]

nah i read it wrong, they did change it this expansion to only have a base from 12-123

[dusty warren]

Guys,
Do you think warrior prot in 8.1 will be more accepted in m+?

[daring marlin]

no

[abstract pelican]

Lala already stated it feels noticeably better

[daring marlin]

we're gonna be terrible forever

come back next expac

[abstract pelican]

but dunno if its gunna fix the stigma

[astral crystal]

it def wont fix stigma

[crude ether]

prot is amazing

[astral crystal]

community perception is what it is

[crude ether]

we do the most dmg

[cinder nova]

As long as Sco says it's bad

[outer dew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder nova]

People will think so

[outer dew]

if you have trouble getting into groups

[cinder nova]

Because Sco can't clear Uldir on his warrior we're a dumpster class

[outer dew]

it's probably your io isn't high enough

vs class perception

[crude ether]

if you die it's your healers or external / cd usage

[cinder nova]

It doesn't discount the fact that there's an overwhelming level of aversion to Warriors.

Observe.

https://image.prntscr.com/image/G3TNxoSaQRKROR9sCeKpqg.png

[outer dew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[daring marlin]

HE'S A SHAMAN

WHO CARES WHAT HE SAYS

[outer dew]

haven't had an issue with getting groups

[daring marlin]

Me either.

[outer dew]

but i'm on alliance

bahaha

[crude ether]

prot is great on g'huun for the extra weighted dmg in p3

:^)

[outer dew]

who the fuck runs keys on alliance

i mean

i'm running 3 gut ripper 2x archive

memes

[daring marlin]

make vectis

drop the chest for me

[outer dew]

lol

gonna bonus roll vectis again tonight

[daring marlin]

also why are you not using unstable?

git gud

idiot

❤

[outer dew]

because

3x gutripper

doing same amouint of damage as deep wounds memes

lmao

[daring marlin]

oh lawdy

[crude ether]

that p3 damage on g'huun wew

that's alot of gut ripping

[oblique garnet]

Its sad that sco is the only one on method who still thinks that the changes on 8.1 wont make it good

Everyone else think it will be good

And everyone listens to sco because he is the most known out of them

[timber nest]

quick question, for a weapon. whats more important? socket or ilevel? i just got a 385 fetid weapon, but i have a 370 vers/mastery + socket weapon. 385 im guessing is still better

[daring marlin]

yes

higher weapon dps or w/e=more IP absorb

[cinder nova]

Everything is based on weapon now

even shield slam

[timber nest]

ok

[zinc mauve]

Hmm, i got a 385 chest piece but im not sure if i should upgrade; this is my current 370 chest piece https://i.imgur.com/rGkpe7j.png

[steel mauve]

its an upgrade

[zinc mauve]

the one i am upgrading into in theory has:
Bloodsport vs Blood Rite
Azerite Globules vs Azerite Veins
Bury the hatchet

it still doenst help that it feels like a downgrade since half htese traits blow

[final mist]

Bloodsport is good

AV is also good

[shut summit]

Use 385

[final mist]

also 15 ilevels

[zinc mauve]

true

[steel mauve]

we onlyu drop ilvl for DC

[zinc mauve]

althouhg im curious what the proc rate is on Blood rite, 750 haste seems like it would be super userful if the proc rate was half decent

[steel mauve]

and possibly a very high RA but im not positive on that

[zinc mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/pmqaTt4.png

712 haste sorry

[primal crypt]

This week in Freehold

is really really bad

if your pugs dont have awareness

and pull all the things

[outer dew]

that's every week

lol

[primal crypt]

I tried to clear stacks and turn around

and there's a new pack of mobs chasing my dudes

....

[shut summit]

Fuk necrotic

[oblique garnet]

Druids and monks on necrotic week👌🏻

[pliant sage]

What do druids do well on Necrotic? Is the damage physical?

[oblique garnet]

Balance druids

Treants

[primal crypt]

@shut summit you dont like necrotic?

@oblique garnet

This boomkin

used his treants on a new pack....

[oblique garnet]

Lul

[shut summit]

Kiting is awful gameplay to me

Just don't play in necrotic weeks really

[primal crypt]

yup

10 and done

Pet battle week

[oblique garnet]

I personally hate sanguine more than necrotic

[primal crypt]

really?

I like sang

It's an art

[zinc mauve]

so i was curious and decided to test blood rite, https://i.imgur.com/2ZUrS2Q.png (over 4 min 45 seconds against 4 targets)

[primal crypt]

for sang placement

[oblique garnet]

With all the fucking mobs that never stop casting and stand in the fucking puddle for eternity no matter if you los them

[zinc mauve]

36% uptime on 712 bonus haste doesnt seem terrible, but its comparing to bloodrite

[primal crypt]

Just grip them

[oblique garnet]

I plan on doing that

[pliant sage]

😶

[oblique garnet]

Playing my dk for the next week

But then you have motherlode and masterminds if you dont get a warlock

[zinc mauve]

masterminds LUL

[primal crypt]

Nah

I plan on only doing Waycrest this week

easiest dungeon this week

[zinc mauve]

my group lusts on the double mastermind pack on fortified weeks

[oblique garnet]

Their damage is w/e

[zinc mauve]

reflecting them is nice tho

[oblique garnet]

But i swear those fuckers jump into sanguine

Every time

Truly masterminds

[zinc mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/YwyQyrU.png i wonder if there is more than 1 person who uses this trait

i have 224k hp, so.. 0.125% of my hp every second

or something miserable like that

[open bluff]

so fathoms, 370 syringe, 370 rezan's for pure single target DPS; would syringe even be competitive with fathoms or nah?

[outer dew]

ya boi 5/8

[ashen trellis]

I love Necrotic week

really makes me enjoy my prot warrior

[primal crypt]

Isn't all the kiting super exciting

[fossil basalt]

Fuck up prot

[daring marlin]

@shut summit I agree entirely.

[ember crest]

just got 5/8M as well, pretty sure a lot of people will get it today, made the fight pretty easy

feel such shame for not doing it before, at least tanking thrashes is fun

[dull granite]

I'm starting to feel m+ will be more fun if they just remove affixes

anyone else?

[daring marlin]

lol

wat

are you drunk?

[sick sentinel]

I actually would like to see that

For one week, just fort/tyran

See how far people can go with no gimmicks but stronger npcs

Or have that week be both tyran and fort combined

[shut summit]

would be interested to have it as a rotation

but it just reinforces the whole 'push this week' shit which im not too fond of

[sick sentinel]

No doubt about that, but like you said it would interesting to have on the rotation

And would be cool for spectators

[shut summit]

ye

[lusty grotto]

yeah this is a no-tank for me week

arms time 😄

but it helps having a monk brother

[valid elk]

arms for m+ ? 😷 \

[lusty grotto]

he can tank, or just heal with RoP for necrotic

fuck fury

shit spec since vanilla

[valid elk]

you're allowed to be wrong 😛

[lusty grotto]

oh no, i'm right

but you're allowed to be

[daring marlin]

LOL

arms pleb

[lusty grotto]

i bet i could outdps you np

[daring marlin]

SOMEHOW I DOUBT THAT

[valid elk]

here we go

[lusty grotto]

you bet i have 3x LoW

trash melts so fast dot classes cry

but wait, isn't arms a dot class now? - uhh nope time for that warbreaker nuke

[tropic star]

wellp

its official

[lusty grotto]

execute range? ss + execute, yeah fury has no chance

[tropic star]

385+ in all slots ..... except for those 355 shoulders lol

goddamn DC trait

[lusty grotto]

well at least 8.1 is soon

:p

what in the goddamn fuck? an algalon nerf? LOL

[daring marlin]

in prep

for timewalking?

idk

he's not even active in tw

why was he nerfed?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

something about herald of the titans

but i'm pretty sure i did that achievement during the expansion 🤷

perhaps they will make it available during TW this time

woops no i didnt

but i did beat algalon @ 08/25/2009

[soft kindle]

Fury and arms are pretty close in m+ @lusty grotto @valid elk

mongos

[lusty grotto]

ye

but i dont have a fury spec

[nova rover]

is Blockades kinda moot?

[lusty grotto]

it is not

[nova rover]

as far as prot goes, or is it bis?

[lusty grotto]

blockades is amazing

with more haste, it shuffles faster

[nova rover]

Gotcha

[lusty grotto]

jes + blockades are the best defensive combo you can have

up until next tier

it's on the trinket list in the pinned guide

[nova rover]

Yea, was just checking, because Ive been getting conflicting views

[lusty grotto]

i mean blockades could be replaced if you get 380+ rezan and jes

other than that, most of the options are situational

i.e. bandages or mythrax eye

[nova rover]

Ya, Ive been farming the rezan

[dense flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/170032?mode=detailed&zone=19#metric=dps

I really really wish I could pump like this prot war.

this guy actually HUGE

[lusty grotto]

i mean a 370 rezan won't replace blockades

so you have to pray for TF/WF or get it from weekly chest

yeah we know about boost

he links his stream here sometimes

[jovial scaffold]

pretty high numbers but its a lot less impressive just seeing that its just cheese strats for most of them so /shrug

granted hes obviously a great player lol

all of them*

[soft kindle]

He's an insane player, he's the one that did the 13 with no healer, but yeah that's all cheese

[jovial scaffold]

but i guess thats what parsing turns into further into the tier nothing new really.

[soft kindle]

They spanwed 7 adds on Vectis

only him and another dps hit adds on Taloc

etc

[jovial scaffold]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's cheesing for sure but hey

[manic perch]

happy loot day biatches on EU ❤

hope i get something good for the pain of last week

[chilly brook]

Quite possibly the worst raid night of my life, I messed up way too many times

[gray wolf]

what i have

what i got

:pepehands:

anyone else that got done dirty as a prot warrior by the chest

[soft kindle]

My druid finally got new boots last night in an m+, 385+socket. Got the exact same thing from chest today

[manic perch]

@gray wolf dont you wish you could play Single Minded Fury now 😛

[gray wolf]

🤔 that's a pretty good thought

just a shame you can't play fury with 2, 1-handers

😭

[urban walrus]

Still going strong with a 370 socket and 8/8 M fbm

With wep

[oblique garnet]

Imagine getting something so bad from the chest

[gray wolf]

ouch

[oblique garnet]

And then you open up your first ever weekly on your dk and get this

[worthy dagger]

damn all dks

[oblique garnet]

im actually upset

even blizzard doesnt want me to play my warrior

[worthy dagger]

yeah we are lame

[daring marlin]

I don’t have to imagine

I got that shit helm too

last week

reeeee

[crude ether]

:rennieShy:

[worthy dagger]

i just want a 385 DC shoulders

[daring marlin]

LOL

[worthy dagger]

is that too much to ask for

[gray wolf]

i just want 385 shoulders.

[daring marlin]

don’t we all friend

[gray wolf]

we all do

but luck is never on ones side

[worthy dagger]

is never at prots side at all

[daring marlin]

the dream

[oblique garnet]

it really isnt

this is like the 7th week in a row where i dont get an upgrade item from the weekly chest on my warrior

when i could really use shield/weapon/shoulders

[worthy dagger]

yeah i wouldnt mind that AD weapon titanforged at all on my weekly

or the shield

but chances are that im gonna get a 370 boots

how is m+ looking this week for prots btw

[gray wolf]

better than last week

just necrotic

[worthy dagger]

last week was easy

[gray wolf]

if you had the right healer

then yes

[smoky oak]

What key did you do last week

[gray wolf]

14 atal

[smoky oak]

Not you

[gray wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

very vague when you aint @ somebody u wanna talk to

[daring marlin]

lol

[worthy dagger]

did 11 fh

[smoky oak]

If u think last week was easy then you cant have tried a high ish key

[daring marlin]

I understood what he meant when the guy just said last week was easy

wasn’t hard, just annoyingish

[worthy dagger]

yeah

[daring marlin]

this week is easier

imo

[oblique garnet]

Idk about that

[daring marlin]

depends on the bosses last week too

fuck tyrannical/grievous

lol

[smoky oak]

Alot easier now

Toldagor last boss, freehold 2nd and 1st, waycrest ladies all had a really short soft enrage on your healers mana

Constant damage from a long fight is the worst to heal

[oblique garnet]

Idk freehold 2nd boss was all about getting bl on it and it was ezpz

Did a couple run where the boss just randomly resetted

[smoky oak]

Well it obviously depends on key level and gear but it can get really tight

[karmic vapor]

Is there any chance that you can have a non-sustain tank as the offtank on fetid mythic?

My guild has been going usually with bdk/warrior and dh/paladin depending on the situation

But it seems like some absence is going to be called out and our bdk won't be able to come and our dh won't either

[oblique garnet]

isnt pally good for the thrashes?

but you should be able to handle it with warrior fine anyways

[karmic vapor]

Our paladin says he's having issues keeping themselves topped up enough to live through them, they aren't bad honestly, usually get 60-80% parses for healing, so I was wondering if maybe if I went an off tanked it, could I do better with just blocking them?

[outer dew]

You have a log?

Even if my co-tank fucks up and gets too far from me

I can survive a thrash + meele

Are your healers just forgetting him?

Is he trying to keep mitigation up 100% vs only during these?

[junior nacelle]

Paladins just heals them selfs up between the trashes, makes them super strong on that fight

[outer dew]

Like I had to tank Fetid today with basically a random DH

And he was fine during that time

Side notes. Woes of the roster boss

Killing fetid with a random 2/8M tank

Lmao

[karmic vapor]

We tried it last night and unfortunately the logs didn't seem to register/corrupted or something, all I do have are our trials when we were doing it with our bdk during progression.
The healers said they underestimated how much of a transition it was to go from a bdk that took care of themselves the whole fight, to the paladin
I didn't go through his casting rotation to see how much upkeep he has of righteous honestly

[oblique garnet]

ye the thrashes below 50% hurt alot

[outer dew]

I mean. It shouldn't be an issue in general

The hardest part was adds dps for my group

[karmic vapor]

All in all, I was just wondering if replacing him as the off tank for the fight would be better

[outer dew]

Probably him being the off tank is better imo

[karmic vapor]

Oh yeah, we had to get geared and basically boot camp our dps for that fight, did vectis and zek on the grind though

[outer dew]

If I had to look at kits. I'd want pala to be off tank

Could always yolo bop himself if he feels he's in danger

Bomb himself with heals after the thrash

[oblique garnet]

Most pala tanks ive played with cant keep aggro from me

[karmic vapor]

That's the point, we reckoned that with hand of the protector he could keep himself high enough, but it just seemed like an issue

[outer dew]

Hmm

Tbf

I might be memeing

With 2x archive and 3x gut ripper

Kind of funny to look at DPS

Was real depressed looking at some trials

Which I was basically keeping up with

[ionic fern]

He can BoP x2 Thrashes..DS x2 thrashes..maybe he isn't using AS+SOTR but just SOTR?

[outer dew]

Forgot you were a pala main

Lmao

[ionic fern]

😂

[outer dew]

But you can agree

Paladin tool kit is fine for it

[ionic fern]

Jeah, paladin tool kit is pretty tailored for it tbh.

😂

[outer dew]

There's your answer, from the paladin main roleplaying as a warrior

Lmao

[ionic fern]

This is what casting AS before SOTR does.

I just got a "thing" for plate wearing shield tanks.

If you don't wear plate & a shield you ain't a tank.

[outer dew]

Iunno

Those DH's look edgy AF

With their demon skin and shit

[ionic fern]

The Demon skin that does nothing except for a visual update?

😂

[karmic vapor]

So he's just bad basically

[outer dew]

I mean

Most of the time the tank doesn't live

It's two reasons

[karmic vapor]

It's okay, gives me fuel to shit talk him

[outer dew]

Your healers hate him

Or he's bad

Lmao

Don't really got fuel

You have no logs

[oblique garnet]

Good mentality shit talking cotank

[outer dew]

How are we suppose to know what he did

Lmao. My co-tank hates me

So I'm as nice as possible to him

(:

So everyone thinks he's a shitty person

[karmic vapor]

Why are you raiding with someone you hate?

[oblique garnet]

How do people make yor cotank hate you?

[outer dew]

Hmm

[oblique garnet]

Like how does that even happen

[outer dew]

Basically e hates my personality

I was originally a DPS for the guild but filled in as the tank

Because one tank got promoted at work

So he hates me because apparently he just does

As my officers would tell me

And that he thinks we'll argue and that it's toxic AF

When he never talks

The guy deadass doesn't even talk to me

But tells officers he hates me

😂

[karmic vapor]

That sounds like a very unhealthy relationship to have in a guild

[outer dew]

He's one of the officers too

[karmic vapor]

My co tanks are my best friends irl

I can't imagine actually hating them, jeez

[outer dew]

Shits kind of funny to me

We don't interact at all

And this guy just flat out goes off telling every officer he hates me

[karmic vapor]

As long as you can take it in stride and not let it have a detrimental effect on you

[outer dew]

Bruh

He doesn't talk

😂

That's the funniest thing

He has no words or opinions on jack shit

[karmic vapor]

Still, I know I'd personally hate having someone talk behind my back, with the bloody officers no less, instead of coming up to me with their issue

[outer dew]

Oh dw

I tried because an officer asked me too

Guy is stalwart on disliking me and won't work to change anything

And apparently he's there to stay for a long time

[ionic fern]

I've gone through too many co-tanks by now. 😦

[karmic vapor]

Well, good on you then. Goes to show who's the bigger person here

[outer dew]

saying nothin

Because that's out arguing

Gets me wheezing every time

[karmic vapor]

I've been raiding with friends since wraith, so Im kind of glad I can't imagine this sort of thing

[outer dew]

That's great (:

I wish I had a group of people I'd raid with for a long time

[ionic fern]

^that tbh

[outer dew]

I tend to just guild hop

Might honestly have to

The guild I'm in every week has 6 different people

[karmic vapor]

If you're on argent dawn, just give me a shout, apparently we could use another tank that isn't shit

[outer dew]

I'm a US Sarg boi

[ionic fern]

Go to bed

😒

[karmic vapor]

Lame

Isn't it fucking 4 am for you then?

[outer dew]

Nah

1 am

I'm pst

[daring marlin]

About to be for me.

probably lives in commiefornia

omega

[outer dew]

You're not wrong

Lmao

[daring marlin]

:^)

[outer dew]

But bruh

Real struggles

Gimme a heads up if you find a spicy guild for me to app on sarg

<33

I'll do it as a fire mage or prot warrior

[karmic vapor]

All these damn Santa hats are triggering me

[worthy dagger]

just did a +10

cancer

[oblique garnet]

Argent dawn eu?

[outer dew]

What's wrong with santa hats

Where's yours?

@oblique garnet where Santa hat?

[karmic vapor]

I'm Jewish

And yeah, argent dawn eu

Please no shaming, I didn't pick it

[outer dew]

Oh

Isn't that a rp server?

[oblique garnet]

I dont blame you i used to play there too with bunch of my friends till i transferred to draenor since the only good guild on ad is safety dance

[karmic vapor]

Please no bully

Yeah, we've been told draenor would be better for us

[oblique garnet]

Its a shitshow

[karmic vapor]

But honestly the bloody logistics alone for that sort of thing is impossible

[oblique garnet]

Guildbank and ah didnt work for the first 2 months

[outer dew]

Sell more carries

Well.

If you can sell carries to fund the gold for everyone to transfer

You probably have the skills to justify it

[karmic vapor]

We've done three so far for heroic, and honestly the morale of the guild dropped so hard

[oblique garnet]

Argent dawn is basically a retirement home for ex hardcore raiders

[karmic vapor]

That is true unfortunately

[ionic fern]

Jeah

[oblique garnet]

Seeing what safety dance became i never should have transferred 😪

[outer dew]

@oblique garnet whats your current io bby

I'll gun for you next week

<33

[oblique garnet]

1408

[outer dew]

Aite BBY

[oblique garnet]

Dont worry tofu i have asked around to get a push group going

[outer dew]

Fuck

[oblique garnet]

You aint catching me

[outer dew]

Don't do this to me

Lmao

[oblique garnet]

Gonna ask the rl if i can take a break from raids for that week just so i can do some m+ LUl

@outer dew you might actually catch me tho since i can really only push either during the day or sat/monday/tuesday

[outer dew]

I feel ya

I got an exam Wednesday

):

So after Wednesday night

Gunning for ya BBY

[oblique garnet]

My teacher is out for the rest of the year and theres no news about the replacement so i literally have no school atm xD

[outer dew]

TF is this noise

Why is this allowed?

[soft kindle]

@outer dew you like to make fun of me. I have a query

[outer dew]

@soft kindle yes our warlock overlord

Where's santa hat?

[soft kindle]

It's there

[outer dew]

Oh it is

How you liking warlock ATM btw?

And what is this query

[soft kindle]

Is it common knowledge, and I'm just extremely late to the party, that bear mastery and vers affect the mythrax trinket

[daring marlin]

idk about bear

I just know

I like it on muh prot warrior

should level a bear

[outer dew]

I would think vers was a given

But I don't play bear

So wouldn't know about mastery

What's the text?

[soft kindle]

Increase max hp and healing recieved

[outer dew]

Because to me if Vers effects IP/Shields would make sense for trinket

Then yes, I would of assumed it

[soft kindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[daring marlin]

neck 32

I need to git gud

[outer dew]

Still 30

Lmao

[soft kindle]

I still think of vers as a meh damage stat

[outer dew]

I see, I see

I mean, my mage had 1k haste and vers

Lmao

And yea. Vers was one of the better stats for mw for start of legion

So I was stacking vers

[daring marlin]

healerboi

[outer dew]

I mean, it's hard getting into a guild as a tank

Tank slots are competitive to get qw

[daring marlin]

true that

hence why I DPS raids now

I don't trust the raid leader to dps and attempt to raid lead

[outer dew]

Meh. I'm 5/8 now. I'm happy enough with prog for a 6 hour a week guild

[daring marlin]

:^)

yus

[outer dew]

Also a guild that's roster changes every week

Maybe I'll meme in some guild that's on the weekend

[daring marlin]

sounds like my guild now

O M E G A

[outer dew]

With my mage anyway

[soft kindle]

I only noticed because guild is finally willing to bring druid for reclear on a few bosses for azerite

and was looking at logs

[outer dew]

Rip, poor bear tank

Not that many people competiting for tank in guild ATM and doubt zul gets decent farm

[soft kindle]

tooltip is like 83k but shield was well over 100k

[outer dew]

Can't get zul helm for mage before next tier

):

I've forsaken survivability

Lmao

Just yolo double crit trinket + 3x gutrippet and 2x archive

I will smack the shit out of boss

[daring marlin]

claps to shake the earf

[outer dew]

Anyway, sleepy time for me

[raw gyro]

do i use ip over sb?

[sweet kettle]

when you getting hit by casts sure

when you are taking melee you use SB

[raw gyro]

ok thanks

[stone crag]

though it's not always either or, IP is a damage buffer where SB is active mitigation

[empty locust]

Anyone know what ability/toy makes Mythrax become transparent?

[wintry ermine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=158367/merekthas-fang&bonus=4777:1482

why is this thing even on the loot table for prot 😦

got a 395 version from the cache and it's useless

[soft kindle]

because it's on the loot table for dps too

and you don't get to just escape it

[wintry ermine]

welp, it would be alright if it wasn't channeled and didn't stop movement :/

[amber siren]

it was good for like 2 days and then they reverted the buff completely

how2balancetrinkets 101

[oblique garnet]

Why does the new necrotic feel stronger than the old one

[dire wyvern]

necrotic hasnt changed yet

change is in 8.1 afaik

[oblique garnet]

are you sure?

[vocal nimbus]

hasnt changed yet

And afaik the only change was from magical to physical

[dire wyvern]

yeh

[oblique garnet]

maybe the healer was just bad then o.O

[dire wyvern]

nerfing AMS, buffing BoP and stoneform etc

[oblique garnet]

couldnt even take 40 stacks without dropping below 40% on freehold :/

[dire wyvern]

40 stacks is a lot no?

[oblique garnet]

i guess

overall hps of the priest was under 9k tho

[primal crypt]

Not changed yet

[cobalt matrix]

why is prot

so

shit

[primal crypt]

Eh??

[cobalt matrix]

why does blizzard hate prot warriors

[wintry ermine]

what are you on about

[cobalt matrix]

its so bad compared to ther tank specs

feels bad

[brisk shore]

Don't really hate them, they just couldn't decide what the devil to do with them before releasing the expansion

[primal crypt]

Oh, that's just because the player is shit

Not the class

Prot warrior has a learning curve vs the other tanks

How badly is this prot warrior performing?

Is he absolutely getting thrashed?

You got logs of his/her performance?

[cobalt matrix]

idk him just a prot warrior n my mythic

dieing on boss's

[primal crypt]

Lul

You got logs?

We wanna see

[wintry ermine]

what bosses?

[ionic ridge]

Hey guys, have you seen preach's last video ?

[primal crypt]

Which one would that be?

[dire wyvern]

Wouldnt bother with this evan guy, was just trolling in the arms channel

[primal crypt]

@cobalt matrix wtf man

Why would you do such a thing.

That's terrible.

No couthe

[cobalt matrix]

huh

im not trolling

[soft kindle]

I mean

you just blatantly lied in #arms not 10 minutes ago

and then trolled several people

but yeah

you don't

troll

ever

[cobalt matrix]

xD

ok

you got me

[primal crypt]

Yikes. That feeling when you get shut down.

[cobalt matrix]

but srsly yamorino

i use to main prot upuntill bfa

[dire wyvern]

Evan: tbh im just trolling im enjoying the reaction xD

[cobalt matrix]

it felt so bad at the start whats it like now?

[primal crypt]

Like k said, it's the players not the class

[cobalt matrix]

oh

so its not a stat thing

that helps it out?

[soft kindle]

IP on the gcd can be pretty jarring

[primal crypt]

You still have to work at not dying and people suck at it. They can't pay attention to mitigating + mekaniks

Be it the trash pack or boss.

So they just die

[cobalt matrix]

i mean i was forced to go dps in the raid

cos there were better specs /class for tanks

[primal crypt]

That's on you then

Griff just got accepted into a 6/8 trial

And we also just got a few more 8/8 warriors in here

People are having a jolly ol time

Except in m+

M+ this week is no thanks

Kite gameplay is trash

[cobalt matrix]

true

[ionic ridge]

Preach: "some of the high end raiding guilds are going out of their ways to gear up and prepare prot warriors for 8.1"

[soft kindle]

Preach

is an idiot

.

[primal crypt]

I second that

[soft kindle]

Not disagreeing on the point of prot in the new raid