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sand egret
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ok so real talk, am I crazy or did they change Intimidating Presence to not scale per unit hit?

merry bane
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pulled mother mind you and opened the door but I got kicked due to dying ont aloc

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regardless of a glitch or not

sand egret
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cuz that stiiinks

timber vault
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My favorite glitch ever was in ulduar

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i somehow aggro'd vezax through the floor

sand egret
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my favorite glitch was taking Corrupted Blood out of ZG with a hunter pet......

timber vault
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Dont ask me how, because i still to this day do not know, but he came running up at us

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it was horrifying

sand egret
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๐Ÿ‘€

merry bane
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that corrupted blood was a nightmare

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blow it up in the ah and city is gone

pliant sage
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Alright because I'm dumb and LFR doesn't have mechanics, what are you all talking about?

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Dark Blade and Elevator?

merry bane
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LOL dark blade isnt real

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and elevator phase the off tank will take the blood hits so they dont hit the healer

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or anyone else

pliant sage
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It was on Baelroc, just saying

oblique garnet
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Lfr has the same mechanics as nm uldir

merry bane
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however sometimes a glitch happens where one of those knockbacks is super

pliant sage
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I haven't done LFR either. Literally I've farmed rep this expac. It's why I asked for boss vids earlier

merry bane
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and knocks you into the next room and such

sand egret
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I totally wasn't making a meme'y Magic joke or anything.... ๐Ÿ‘€

merry bane
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LFR has missing mechanics vrom nromal but gives you a basi cpremise of fights

pliant sage
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Magic the Gathering?

sand egret
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mhm

oblique garnet
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Right so normal uldir doesnt do much damage

merry bane
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well it does if peopel are stupid

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which a majority of people you meet in pugs are

pliant sage
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Iirc Dark Blade is a Terror clone?

merry bane
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do you have a mole machine Buttons?

sand egret
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it's a black removal that was a meme because people would always say "x card is trash, dies to dark blade"

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which is obviously very silly to say

pliant sage
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Did you mean Doom Blade?

sand egret
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yeah whatever that lil' fucker was

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yep, that'd be it

pliant sage
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Yep Doom Blade. And yeah the argument 'dies to removal' is aweful.

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I always liked 'dies to counterspell' myself.

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The correct response is generally "does the opponent have the removal" because sometimes you just have to try and stick a threat.

timber vault
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Welp, got into a fresh h uldir

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time to pray

sand egret
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๐Ÿ‘ข ๐Ÿต ๐Ÿ‘

timber vault
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boot

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tea

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clap

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...

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i just got that

sand egret
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now, nothing can stop you. go forth, my child. To Greatness.

pliant sage
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And get a shield off the boss to make that other guy mad

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๐Ÿ˜œ

timber vault
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Tbh, the three things i want most

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are taloc's mace, vectis's shield

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And just one

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ONE

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piece of uldir azerite gear

oblique garnet
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390 taloc mace with a socket literally never playing arms

sand egret
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atta boy

pliant sage
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Oh is that the pretty laser mace?

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What color model is the normal version?

oblique garnet
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I also have the 120ilvl mace which has different color idk why it was even made

sick sentinel
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It's the actual weapon of taloc

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The mythic and tmog verison have slight differences, ones a bit darker and the lines on them are different

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Aka, u need a magnifying glass to notice a difference

timber vault
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... this group is wiping. on taloc.

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๐Ÿ˜ฟ

sick sentinel
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Good

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Learn from it

timber vault
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wait, 800k left

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they might make it with the 6 people left

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nope, both tanks dead

sick sentinel
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And now you learned

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Never have hope on people who aren't you

daring marlin
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priest using this in freehold

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fucking SHOOT ME

oblique garnet
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For taloc pugs you have to do one simple tactic ask people to mark you and tell them to follow the mark so they dont die on the elevator

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Dont you just love it when you pop cds and are about to start clapping and then some fuck uses typhoon to kick the adds away

daring marlin
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holy fuck

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B O Y S

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320 to that

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ahahaha

deft hinge
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jesus

daring marlin
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gearing this alt quick

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the fuck

supple path
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Man, I have to say - I prefer my prot war to my blood DK in waycrest.

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What a shame the community doesn't know.

restive zodiac
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Why do you pref the warrior in waycrest? I just did that one on a 10 and the sisters killed our key

merry bane
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wait how did you go from a 320 to that

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I thought you could only +30 items

daring marlin
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had a 320 equipped

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dear

merry bane
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ah ok. that avoidance though

lusty grotto
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anyone wanna tank an underrot 10?

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with me hpal

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not for completion

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or at least not hoping but yeah

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horde

zinc mauve
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@restive zodiac warriors can reflect plenty of spells in WM and there arent really any packs that are excessively dangerous to us. The most dangerous packs are the guards on the left wing. The sister's fight isn't that bad even on tyrannical. Spell reflect and interrupts are your friend.

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the only bad part is grevious plus the jagged nettles has potential to kill and puts a lot of pressure on the healer

lusty grotto
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anyone? underrot 10?

jade socket
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this isnt the place for pugging

lusty grotto
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shit ive been caught

stone crag
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๐Ÿ—ž

amber siren
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๐Ÿ”จ

daring marlin
merry bane
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out of all the mythic plus AD's I have done. I had a guildie get my rezans eye at 340

daring marlin
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sounds about right

merry bane
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SO is rezan better than blockades at 340 or no

daring marlin
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defensively?

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not even close

merry bane
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but offensively yes

plain vapor
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is bandage a good trinket

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or just a meme

merry bane
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both

abstract pelican
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I finally got the 370 crit trinket from dooms howl, is it worth replacing that with my blockades or xals? (both are 355). In the least booty claps are mad thicc when I pop it with avatar

merry bane
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still cant believe it dropped at 340 when i have done plus 9

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not I got Vial Rezans EYe blockades and syringe

daring marlin
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why this

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why me

abstract pelican
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Lol id wipe and reset that so fast

daring marlin
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ez kite but

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jesus

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these people

dark lark
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hi guys: ive heard some warriors ie: @hot locust say IF > BFI in mythics. what's the reasoning?

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sorry, M+

sand egret
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most likely you're getting hit waaay more often than you're hitting SS's. more mobs more value IF has

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vs a boss fight, you get hit every second or so?

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passive vs active damage, be my guess.

dark lark
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makes sense

sand egret
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all in all, i don't really think the difference is too extreme between the two

hot locust
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BFI is pretty much better in all situations, the last time I talked about Iron Fortress was back right before the expansion launched and I said BFI was probably better than IF even defensively when it was already worse before damage-wise.

daring marlin
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go get double archive

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see the world @dark lark

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@hot locust D3?!

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Excited for next season at all? lol

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I sure am

hot locust
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No I hate diablo, am a PoE player nowadays.

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Just helping a friend who is into the game since I'm free.

daring marlin
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ahah

timber vault
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Sitting here debating buying the 350 boe shield off the AH

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Because of my shite luck with getting one from dungeons

daring marlin
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Don't do it!

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You might think it's worth it, but it's not!

fading gate
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god same

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i'm sitting on a 330 shield

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i know Rezan and G'huun drop them

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but they're 1% and 0.8% drop rate >,<

daring marlin
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well

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there are loads of shields

smoky oak
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thats not how droprates work

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wowhead droprate isnt accurate

daring marlin
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aren't you a furyboi?

fading gate
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I have been kerfuffled

smoky oak
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imagine playing only one spec ๐Ÿค”

daring marlin
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It was a meme

abstract pelican
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Dun do it, as soon as you buy one it'll drop for you. I had a 330 since the 2nd week of launch and finally got an upgrade (370) last week. Just keep doing your H vectis, and your 10 done every week. Tbh my healers didn't notice the upgrade that much either

timber vault
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I dont even get to do 10s

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i dont have a consistent group

smoky oak
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10s are puggable

timber vault
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Yea, but 10 pugs want 380+, a PHD in physics, 4k raider IO, at least 2.5k gear score, and a down payment.

daring marlin
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spamming 5s of AD is good enough

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and motherlode

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and tol dagor

smoky oak
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Ive not seen a 10 pug requiring to high score or more than 370

daring marlin
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10s are easily completed with 360 but people can be super picky

timber vault
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All I ever see are those with stupid high requirements

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Also, fuck Raider IO

daring marlin
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I managed to do a 10 on my new warrior

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was shrine and the healer made me wanna headbutt a brickwall

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but hey

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Just gotta put the time in to grind dat score

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my duderino

fickle urchin
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just... bare in mind, grievous isnt that much fun as healer

chilly brook
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@timber vault if you wanna get a score you need to either find a group thatโ€™s trying to build theirs or you need to just grind your own keys and make the groups yourself

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Raider IO is a needed system since gear literally means nothing anymore

daring marlin
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anymore

chilly brook
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You can sit here basically and be 370+ without even stepping foot into anything meaningful

daring marlin
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objectively gear didn't mean dick in wrath either

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remember gearscore?

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I remember gearscore

chilly brook
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I do as well

timber vault
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"ICC25, 3k min GS

chilly brook
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But gearscore was a way to gauge if someone did the content

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Cuz you werenโ€™t getting anything without doing it

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Now you get titanforges

timber vault
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I dont mind warforges

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5-10 more ilvls isnt bad

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but good god titanforging is retarded

chilly brook
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Ugh leveling to 120 for the 6th time

daring marlin
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a good example of TF being retarded

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is the 380 legs I got earlier on my second warrior

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from a 5 freehold

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omega

fickle urchin
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i v seen a screenshot of 390 from RF

daring marlin
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yes

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DOWNRIGHT LUDICROUS

timber vault
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The dumbest titanforge i ever saw was in lfr uldir

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one of the dps got a titanforged trinket off fetid

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370

fickle urchin
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i m still using 380 gloves i got from my first weekly chest.

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(it was from a 6)

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currently on 3/8M

timber vault
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Welp, time to go find a M+ to do before i sleep

outer dew
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@daring marlin finally pushed some io tonight bby

daring marlin
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this fucking guy

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with the mythrax trinket too

outer dew
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Ended the week with a close 16 key

daring marlin
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go getem gurl

outer dew
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Lmao ikr

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My ass was scared

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Like

daring marlin
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all I know is

outer dew
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The healer I consistently run with

daring marlin
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this DK is gonna be a manimal in IEs

outer dew
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Makes me feel safe

timber vault
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Quick

daring marlin
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no!

outer dew
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Oh and I finally got rezans

timber vault
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someone give me a rundown on what to worry about in TD M+

outer dew
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Lmao

timber vault
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Gonna try to tank

outer dew
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People who kick second biss

daring marlin
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rule #1 be a man

outer dew
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Makes me want to rope myself

daring marlin
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rule #2 be a bigger man

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oh yeah

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I 3 chested a TD+6 earlier on my nab

outer dew
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Burn the adds or the big hitch infront enrages

daring marlin
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and

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they kicked second boss

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I was like

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

outer dew
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Called it a quits on TD +16

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Because our do got one shotted

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One by one because they were to spread

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And let the bees enrage her

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Zzzz

timber vault
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What ilvl does +7 give? Cuz this dude wants 370

daring marlin
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360

outer dew
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I mean

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I'll be honest with you though

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I understand where he's coming from

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I see plenty of people either getting carried or just TF to 370

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Without doing a key

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Or did like 4

smoky oak
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370 is really not that hard tho

outer dew
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Like I carried a 1000 io guy I think

dreamy stirrup
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Im 362 and i havent run anything higher than +2 before today rofl

outer dew
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And he was just shit at do eventhough he has that io

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It's like mong

abstract pelican
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Either getting carried by friends or his ilvl

spice grove
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Or by gold

outer dew
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Yes

spice grove
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Thats the problem

outer dew
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@daring marlin shit talk the guys selling keys for 160k

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Zzzz

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So many people complain about us selling for 200k now

dreamy stirrup
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Wts BOOST

outer dew
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Reeeeee

abstract pelican
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Lots of raiders with heroic gear, thinking they can ignore mechanics and stuff when you can't if you're trying to chest anything high

spice grove
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Bad players Just push their score with boosts thinking they are good players due to the score

smoky oak
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I mean if you get into a group being undergeared, if you play well they might wanna do more

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Thats how you get gear and score

abstract pelican
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I'd much rather take a low dps that knows what to interrupt and dodge without body pulling, than an overgeard baddie

soft kindle
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I'd rather he be good at both

smoky oak
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This tbh

abstract pelican
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I mean, yea

daring marlin
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@soft kindle the fuck

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is

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that

timber vault
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Tfw

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shaman gets shield, doesnt need

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because he has a better staff

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and cant trade to me

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I hate personal loot, so much

soft kindle
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This is my pic not agreeing with a santa hat

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and me having the patience of a landmine

daring marlin
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b&

manic perch
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are there any specific mechanincs with TD 1st boss and the adds she spawns? seems like on tryannical people just cant kill her, do they buff her in some way?

outer dew
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@manic perch si

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If you don't kill the adds she enrages

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And will fuck up yo dps

daring marlin
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Usually I solo the adds.

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gogo prot deeps

timber vault
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Convinced one of my friends to drag me through a +10 TD. Bracers.

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On the bright side, they titanforged to 395.

outer dew
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Disgusting

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Smh

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Boosted yo!

manic perch
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@outer dew ah ok so just burst adds asap

outer dew
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Yeap

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@daring marlin level a DH from 98 with me

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Mao

strong forum
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Just leveled a bdk im at 342ilvl or smth and my god it's boring as fuck, sure I might be undergeard for 9s and 10s that I tanked but fuck me it's horrible

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I wanna go back to my prot so bad but I guess it gets better once I'm at 370ish ilvl

manic perch
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nope will still be boring as fuck

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i have a 370 dk and my main is prot dk just so fucking boring

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only good part is grip and the D&D slow

daring marlin
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@strong forum It doesn't get less boring.

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Just wait until you jump into a raid.

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It's even worse than the dungeons you did. LOL

strong forum
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Yeah I ain't raiding with this boring cunt

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If it doesn't get less boring then I might aswell not gear anymore

outer dew
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Dh does seem fun though

daring marlin
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@outer dew nice avatar

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hoe

outer dew
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@daring marlin I'm santa bby

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So hoe

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You gonna help me level a 98 dh

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Lmao

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Low key tempted to just for the money and boost

daring marlin
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madlad

dark lark
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finished a nice round of keys, including a +12 atal

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too bad next week is tyrannical sanguine necrotic

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going to be leaping away like a bitch a lot

ionic fern
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FortifieD*

rough egret
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oh necrotic... can I Fireblood it out? ๐Ÿ˜„

dusky mica
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no

rough egret
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hmm I wish I can

strong forum
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Just leap, should be fine

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And bring a frost mage

ionic fern
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Bring a balance druid and forget Necrotic is a thing

north owl
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Need advice about race change. I'm dwarf now and thinking about change for dark iron dwarf. I'm warrior tank off course ...

ionic fern
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LFD cause that racial is bonkers

manic perch
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@north owl i race changed to Dark iron Dwarf, pretty cool, only sad part is all transmogs look shit on you :S

sand egret
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DID is prob the best alliance tank, racially, until Kul Tir. Baseline 1% physical mit and a self-dispel that scales per dot to give you STR which turns into bigger IPs

ionic fern
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Get that

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Go full on dark

north owl
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why until Kul Tir - there is some nerf of dark iron dwarf racials ?

ionic fern
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I mean..pretty sure Draenei racial outscales DID Strength one unless you cleanse like 2 debuffs withit

north owl
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ok ... thx a lot

sand egret
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the draenei racial does not hold peanuts to the implications of DID in practice, imho

ionic fern
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?

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Passive 400+ str (iirc)

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At all times

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Vs a 600 on 2 min cd.

sand egret
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the str is the sugar

ionic fern
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Huh?

sand egret
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youโ€™re not picking this on a str to str basis, is the point

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hence why the str is the sugar

ionic fern
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What are you picking it then on regarding racials? ๐Ÿค”

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the 1% reduced damage?

sand egret
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the self dispel

ionic fern
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๐Ÿคท Got healers for that.

sand egret
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lol

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and there goes the argument

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word nice talk

ionic fern
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๐Ÿค”

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Most debuffs in m+ atleast are re-applied fairly fast from the mobs..if you take the poison blades and shit into account

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And i'm fairly sure that Fireblood only removes them and does not make you immune to them?

sand egret
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forgot all healers can dispel everyth ing

ionic fern
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Considering that most m+ is like 80% physical damage i'd dare to argue that the pure passive str outscales a 2m removal.

sand egret
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ah right

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that mitigating bleeds stuff

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gotcha

ionic fern
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I said 80% . ๐Ÿค”

sand egret
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"situational implications"

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my argument is that 20% is worth it

ionic fern
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Bleeds..from like KR i guess is the most relevant example?

sand egret
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scratch physical damage from autos that the passive str will mitigate via increased armor (you got healers right?) vs situational self-dispel, i'd take the utility over it anyday

ionic fern
sand egret
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yes, auto attacks are a thing in m+

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that is also not my point

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again.

ionic fern
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But take w/e you prefer, i'm not here to persuade you out of it..you asked and i gave my opinion

vocal nimbus
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What's more deadly in that chart

sand egret
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yeah, after playing as both, the impact the dispel has is far more dramatic than the mitigation from autos

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personally speaking

ionic fern
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Sure. ๐Ÿคท Never really had issues with bleeds myself so mb that's why i don't get that problem.

floral harbor
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I will just wait for fat humans

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I hate that Alliance does not have a true large scale model race

ionic fern
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Space goats are semi-big.

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๐Ÿ˜‚

sand egret
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we don't really have a Tauren, naw

floral harbor
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even orcs "feel" larger than our space goats

sand egret
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yeah, they're surprisingly tall

floral harbor
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when upright yeah

sand egret
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i like the small model, personally

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as it makes tanking in tight spaces easier

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big camera's tend to get awkward

strong forum
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Tauren are ugly, dwarfs are best, but kul tiran sounds fun

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That's my opinion

floral harbor
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I like the stun they get as a racial

sonic shard
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I main fury but I've been messing around in prot. What potion would give me the most st dmg?

sand egret
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before you get hit with "check the pins", go str

sonic shard
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LOL thank you, just wanted to know if anyone here used bursting blood

sand egret
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"Use Flask of the Undertow Icon Flask of the Undertow as your flask.

3.2. Potions
Use Battle Potion of Strength Icon Battle Potion of Strength as your "pre-pot" and combat potion." from the guide ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

jade socket
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Bursting blood can be more but itโ€™s just rng

vocal nimbus
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bursting blood either does a lot of nothing

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or*

sand egret
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and RNG = Old Man Yelling at Cloud

vocal nimbus
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i saw once a bb pot doing 200k

sonic shard
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Yeah I notice a huge difference in my openers with fury because of it. Sometimes bursting for 30k with hero and sometimes for 20

ancient reef
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just did my first run with a bdk tank and wow lol no wonder they are so popular outhealed the healer

mental scarab
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Take alot of dmg to so the healing๐Ÿคช

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Is mandatory

ancient reef
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bdk are making healers bad

tardy surge
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Anyone knows what happend to the change they did on PTR were they removed our mastery? Cant find if they reverted it or not...

sand egret
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it's still there

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also pins

tardy surge
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Nothing writen about it in the pins so i figured i could ask. Just a shame we didnt get anything new interesting :/

sand egret
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nothing written about it because it wasn't a thing

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we got stuff a lot of us are happy with, imho

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could/prob get more down the road, but its a good start

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we're not like in a "bad" place, generally speaking. Suffer from the same problem all tanks do in M+ tho, the "Not a BDK" problem

ancient reef
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the gap is retarded

sand egret
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but I bet the great Tankpocolypse is coming

ancient reef
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might as well just make bdk the only tank and give prot glad spec, im sorta kidding

sand egret
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it's really the utility thing

tardy surge
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Yeah i really like the new things, but I wouldโ€™ve loved to see some more changes. Such a shame our talent build is the same for almost everything now

sand egret
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talents is a pain point not that they don't work but that there are a few outliers that need to be addressed (namely how fucking strong AM is to our kit)

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however, I think what a lot of Prot want is actually a utility reason to "bring" a Prot that is more akin to mass grip

tardy surge
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Yeah some tuning could probably fix the rest of the rows, but AM just outshines everything.

sand egret
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it's very strong (and fun....which makes it harder to touch)

tardy surge
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Really hoppning we can get some nice utility that can make prot a more appealing class for mostly m+. I think weโ€™re gonna be med tier for the upcoming raid

astral crystal
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it's pretty much the only thing keeping us afloat so

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you better hope it doesnt get touched

ancient reef
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hmm let enter the fray have no mob cap, infinite haste

uneven mason
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would just inflate our Damage throughput

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not much for our durability, or utility

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so we could pull 100 mobs, but we'd still die

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I think if we had a utility that make us untargetable outside of 5 yards and taunted mobs to us, say a 5 second channel every 90 seconds

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would close the util gap quite a bit

astral crystal
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wat

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utility that makes us untargetable outside of 5 yards

daring patrol
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basically use your shield as a LoS wall to gather mobs

sand egret
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call it

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Shield Wall

vocal nimbus
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LineOfShield

sand egret
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The Skill Formerly Known As Shield Wall

cinder nova
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Just call it Barricade

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Problem being is that retards wouldn't understand how to use it by reading it

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So blizzard wouldn't use the idea

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They assume the playerbase doesn't have any wrinkles on their brains

modern brook
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they dont

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have you seen the reddit?

vocal nimbus
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most of us dont

daring patrol
#

"placing you out of an enemies line of sight for 5 seconds" "BLIZZ WAI NO WARRIOR STELTH WURK"

cinder nova
#

I haven't. What are some Reddit gems

modern brook
#

I once read the unironic statement, whats with some mobs being forced to be interrupted while others you need to stun, this inconsistency is stupid

#

upvoted ~50ish

cinder nova
#

Oh my god

modern brook
#

yeah

#

you're playing a game for retards

daring patrol
#

i would love to see some of these people even try to play everquest

#

old everquest

cinder nova
#

Hell even vanilla

#

They're gonna lose their minds

#

WHAT DO YOU MEAN EACH CLASS DOESN'T HAVE AN INTERRUPT

sand egret
#

my favorite are going to be the "hunter mains"

#

who have no idea what the "dead zone" was....

#

WTF WHY CANT I SHOOT THIS WARRIOR

ancient reef
#

what timer is that sense is using for sb and ip and ls

fickle geyser
#

weakauras most likely

modern brook
#

as an aside, plz energy bomb me for a shield in today's box

dusk locust
#

(>-.-)> ~~~~ shield energy

daring patrol
#

shield energy ---- <(-.-<)

dusk locust
#

a ๐Ÿ›ก shield ๐Ÿ›ก has made it to the weekly chest

daring patrol
#

ay, same belt I got last week

#

blegh

dusk locust
#

i'd take darn near anything with haste on it

#

my secondaries are weird

sand egret
#

๐Ÿ™

#

cant wait to open up my 395 Rezan's....

#

YUP

#

its 100% gonna happen

dusk locust
#

pog

dull granite
#

whats highest shield lvl you could get out of chest? 390 right?

dusk locust
#

i think titanforge cap which is 395 right?

#

or do shields not do that

daring patrol
#

shields dont

modern brook
#

i think they're considered weapons? I remember a patch about this way back at the beginning of the expansion

dusk locust
#

gotcha

sand egret
#

is WF just 5 ilvls or is it 5-10/

#

i think 390 is the max you could get

daring patrol
#

5-10 is warforge

round vortex
dusk locust
#

does the tank need to be on top of the rock on m mythrax, or can i just keep the add faced away from the group the whole time instead of moving in and out

light fulcrum
#

Face away

#

Shields and weapons can Proc up to 390 in weekly and 395 from mythic raid

daring patrol
#

just face it away kauda, beams won't target a tank

dusk locust
#

thanks, hoped that was the case

#

so beams don't target the tank, but do adds spawn around the tank?

#

no right

daring patrol
#

not that I'm aware of, I haven't seen it

dusk locust
#

we start mythrax tonight. hoping to get this down asap to get as much g'huun time as we can

ancient reef
#

hehe top prot on my server is 863 io

steel mauve
#

Adds spawn at the exact same spots

dusk locust
#

i mean the smaller ones that we're stacking for, so they spawn on the rock. i want to know if i also have to be on said rock to bait them

steel mauve
#

Ah i wasnt sure

dusk locust
#

or if i'm not coded to have a small add appear near me

steel mauve
#

From the tank notes in the pins for a mythic difference

sick sentinel
#

Did they nerf grievous again?

dusk locust
#

still leaves room for interpretation but it sounds like i don't have to be on the rock

#

yes

daring marlin
#

@round vortex Nice, dude. lol

uneven mason
#

"Nerf"

dusk locust
#

well

uneven mason
#

they adjusted it

dusk locust
#

changed yeah

sick sentinel
#

I mean, it goes up to 4 stacks now

uneven mason
#

But, I did a 10 as arms lastnight

round vortex
#

haha cheers, i did a 16 proc immediately before it which i thought was good as well haha @daring marlin

sick sentinel
#

Check news

uneven mason
#

and 2nd wind literally heals faster than grevious can damage you, and grevious does not interrupt 2nd winds healing

daring marlin
#

thanks cache

uneven mason
#

thats 37 gold right there

#

+++ worth it

daring marlin
#

hellyeahbrother

dusk locust
#

it goes to 4 stacks but 4 stack does (the same-ish?) damage as 5 used to. there's a better more detailed breakdown online somewhere

uneven mason
#

it goes to 4stacks

dusk locust
#

involving when it ticks and when the dmg happens

uneven mason
#

and still doesn't hurt us anywhere nearly as bad as the other tanks hehe

dusk locust
#

what makes you say that

uneven mason
#

TFW you're the tank with the absorbs and lower HP pool and the damage is % based

dusk locust
#

we can't heal it off though

#

that's pretty powerful

uneven mason
#

no, either can a BDK

sick sentinel
#

Azerite veins Pog

dusk locust
#

huh

daring marlin
#

yeah

#

grievous damage

#

doesn't do dick

#

for DS healing

uneven mason
#

mmhmm

#

and since they have SO MUCH health

#

its harder to heal them

#

since 8% of their health is like 20% Of ours

#

I run with the #1 BDK on my server at times

#

and he was bitching non stop

#

about the changes to grevious

#

it hurts him so much worse than it idid

daring marlin
uneven mason
#

Meanwhile I'm like Ignore pain "Wats grevious"

#

Also, when I ran as arms

#

100% ignore the affix

#

since 2nd wind heals for 18% per 3 seconds

daring marlin
#

yeah

uneven mason
#

and Grevious does 8% per 3 seconds

#

Math

daring marlin
#

I'm pissed fury doesn't have SW lol

uneven mason
#

well a bit more lol

#

but still

#

also

#

#Darkirondwarf

daring marlin
#

check it boys

#

I got rick roll'd on my second cache

uneven mason
#

When you ask for a life marble on the 3rd boss in Underrott

daring marlin
uneven mason
#

and eat like 20 stacks of that DoT

#

for Super Saiyan god levels of str

daring marlin
#

well you should only get 200 str for cleansing that DoT even if it's a bunch

#

am I mistaken?

uneven mason
#

"should"

#

its something todo with sources

daring marlin
#

I was under the impression that it's 200 per different status effect cleansed.

uneven mason
#

each one of those turds is a source

daring marlin
#

interesting

#

reinforced plating vomit

#

gonna use thunderous blast instead

sand egret
#

cache time!

#

drum roll

#

pff literally the same gloves I have but 10 ilvl more and one socket less

#

snooooze

#

21 str (.1% phys dam reduction) vs 40 haste (.19% haste increase)

#

actually couldn't care less haha

daring marlin
#

feelsgoodman

robust wave
#

Is it true that haste reduces the cooldown on shield block?

sand egret
#

tis true

chilly brook
#

Yes itโ€™s very much true

robust wave
#

but not other abilities. shield block just special like that?

sand egret
#

tclap

chilly brook
#

No it affects most of our other abilities as well

sand egret
#

s

#

yes, just "s"...lol

#

god I hate this horde PoS main city

robust wave
#

Hold my thanksgiving leftovers, while i rebind everything to "S"

chilly brook
#

It lowers the CD on Shield Block most notably, lowers our gcd, increases our rage generation by proxy and therefor our rage spent which means all our CDs are back up faster

daring marlin
#

dazar is quite bad

sand egret
#

and saves you 15% or more on car insurance.

chilly brook
#

Lol

#

TBH I love Dazar

#

Feels like a capital

daring marlin
#

bUt It WaS mAdE aS a RaId

sand egret
#

shitty and poorly laid out?

#

mother effer

robust wave
#

so if i unequip all my gear, and mouse over the shield block, it will show a different cooldown

sand egret
#

fail cache on my druid too

chilly brook
#

Probably

#

Unless you just have super low haste

robust wave
#

Do you have the paku totems? They're how I get around

daring marlin
#

@sand egret What'd ya get?

robust wave
#

The basicly get you up, and then I heroic leap down

sand egret
#

some dumb shoulders

#

with like the mangle trait

#

does have gemhide

daring marlin
#

I got thunderous blast shoulders

#

go me

sand egret
#

so im thinking it could be aite

chilly brook
#

Paku totems are where itโ€™s at

sand egret
#

oof nvm def not replacing these shoulders

#

fail all around

daring marlin
#

you know what's better?

#

everything being nicely compact

#

like boralus

sand egret
#

really shoulda pushed the bear harder last week /shrug

daring marlin
#

:^)

tidal sparrow
#

I just got a 375 vial, worth using over blockades or 370 jes?

chilly brook
#

Iโ€™ve not ran around in boralus because I donโ€™t play the โ€œparagonsโ€ of society faction

daring marlin
#

yes

sand egret
#

well it's the best

#

its ALL in one nice place

#

portals, warfront stuff, SoB, flight points, quests etc

chilly brook
#

Cuz for some reason horde are now just generic baddies and Alliance are generic goodies

sand egret
#

Cuz I said so

#

I switched factions, so now I had to spice it up

robust wave
#

Boralus sounds nice... quaint, "efficient"

#

sounds like they're really making, good use of limited space ๐Ÿ˜‰

chilly brook
#

TBH Iโ€™d play Alliance for dark iron and that pvp armor

robust wave
#

I understand, not everyone can make their capitol on a mountain of gold.

#

I want one of those bone druids

sand egret
#

DI has my heart, hard

#

maybe zandalari bois will sway me more

chilly brook
#

Apparently we canโ€™t keep our characters innocent either they just have to become responsible for something that they didnโ€™t do because we need to make them even more โ€œmorally grayโ€

sand egret
#

buit right now im spicey boi

chilly brook
#

Ngl

#

Kultirans appeal to me deeply

robust wave
#

that peg leg life

#

You know, Horde capital still is a raid. They were raiding it last week

#

We were like "whats an alliance doing here on our docks? oh. OH!"

chilly brook
#

Anyone else notice how horde cities always become raids.....

#

Clearly we have horde bias guys

#

/s

#

I hate this writing team

#

Can I say that?

robust wave
#

heh

#

I'll allow it

sand egret
#

KT has sick facial hair as well

chilly brook
#

Itโ€™s like a major downgrade

#

Can KTโ€™s be monks?

sand egret
#

prob not

robust wave
#

You had me picturing Rufus from SF4

sand egret
#

ive never really looked, but KTs dont use the stupid panda run animation do they?

chilly brook
#

According to wowhead they can be monks

#

Boi

sand egret
#

ohhh

chilly brook
#

Faction change incoming

#

xD

robust wave
#

Just wait. The writing in Wowemon Go, its gonna be incredible. Euge plot

chilly brook
#

T H I C C boi human chugging beer incoming

#

@robust wave plz no

#

Donโ€™t remind me

robust wave
#

You know what... Remember how they we all like Old Gods get thrown onto plantes?

#

just. .. just do that

#

you listening blizz? you can have that idea

#

make it rain octopusses

sand egret
#

spikes!

chilly brook
#

Stahp

#

My hope is dwindling every day I donโ€™t need that to remind me

#

That all their competent devs have been moved to mobile which explains the shit state the game is in

robust wave
#

classic is sounding more appealing all the time

daring marlin
#

lol

#

no

#

good meme though

robust wave
#

hey, you want some story? me and this dude had to go to the demension of angery horses, and like ring a bell, and spin this dealy, so i could get my warlock mount

#

that was a fine story

#

now its like "you know whats cool? boats, other peoples boats. go get some!"

tired cove
#

So was necrotic chnaged yet anyone know ?

timber vault
#

Time to open the cache

daring marlin
#

gl

timber vault
#

did a +10 Tol Dagor before reset

#

pray for me

daring marlin
#

I believe in you, buddy!

#

Shield!

timber vault
#

... Belt

#

Honest to god i hate that the cache holds loot from every dungeon even if i only did two

daring marlin
#

feelsbfaman

timber vault
#

Time to spam told agor, Temple of Sethraliss, and atal dazar i guess

uneven mason
#

Its a belt week

crystal creek
#

I hear you, just lvled up a toon, bought some 370 gloves to boost my ilvl then did warfront for another 370. also got gloves and 340 gloves at the end.

worthy dagger
#

i just want my damn 385 DC shoulders

#

im forever stuck with this 355

primal crypt
timber vault
#

I find it depressing that my shaman and warrior face the same problem. Cant get a damn shield

floral harbor
#

outside of raids is the Servant Splitter from Waycrest our BiS?

daring marlin
#

no

primal crypt
#

wat

#

You have the adulation enforcer from atal

#

you have the one from siege

#

the vers/mast

#

you have...other ones...

ember arrow
#

Servant splitter is pty bad

floral harbor
#

yeah I am getting that impression

junior igloo
#

But button is good ^

primal crypt
#

@junior igloo it's my third one ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

same ilvl

robust wave
#

@timber vault Yeah, its a strange system. Atal'Dazar has the most items for my warrior. So M+ for me is searching for that one instance to run, over and over.

primal crypt
#

@junior igloo

#

halp

silk mortar
#

Dayum thats good

primal crypt
#

I'm kind of in shock

#

I was just talking to my wife about this trinket

#

"I'll never see this thing"

silk mortar
#

It was fate then

daring marlin
#

insane

#

jealous

tiny bobcat
#

anyone else here rerolling to warrior after playing blood dk? kinda bored of blood dk and wanna try to max deeps.

rough peak
#

reroll would be the wrong word. i loved it since the release of BfA

#

after buffs it will be in a very good spot tho

#

and dmg is king in aoe anyway

#

\o/

#

but the cds could overhelm u in the beginning of playing prot war

sick sentinel
#

I didn't reroll from bdk because i hate and will never like dks

astral crystal
#

what's the discord quote extension?

#

the one that gives you a neat little box with the message

zinc mauve
#

You have to use a self bot for that

astral crystal
#

a hwat

#

i've seen people quoting in this chat

#

with that thinger

sick sentinel
#

Ah yes

#

The thinger

zinc mauve
#

Atleast I'm pretty sure that's the only way. Just look it up, self bots are technically against discords TOS

daring marlin
#

who knows

#

I just use lightscreen app

#

:^)

zinc mauve
#

Screenshots op

astral crystal
#

:^)

daring marlin
#

LOL

astral crystal
#

kek

placid mango
#

what's best spec for levelling/IE spam?

primal crypt
#

@placid mango prot

#

Mass pull, clap it down

placid mango
#

can we survive mass pulls

primal crypt
#

Yup

old night
#

lmao

astral crystal
#

it's rough at higher levels

#

i recommend getting a little bit of gear before going into IE spam

#

for leveling

placid mango
#

so p. much only valid while i have legendaries

#

i'm full mythic from 110

#

can't gear up in bfa until 115s

#

except azerite i guess

mossy peak
#

ayy got a jes howler from the cache, im under the impression thats super hot for prot. my other trinket could be a 370 xalzaix, 385 socketed disc (haste), or a blockades

next ermine
#

Jes and eye are best

mossy peak
#

i was figuring the eye, i just don't know with the other two since their effect is more subtle

#

(the 40 haste and the stamina)

next ermine
#

Blockades for defense is always nice

supple path
#

Disc unless you're in severe survivability crunch I'd say.

next ermine
#

If you want dmg prolly disc

zinc creek
#

How's necrotic and kiting guys?

storm isle
#

bring a frost mage?

supple path
#

maybe some boomkin treants too

mossy peak
#

we're not completely useless at kiting but you really want someone else helping

storm isle
#

we have no good slow

next ermine
#

Get a monk

ember arrow
#

:^)

supple path
#

The real problem with our kiting is that without a snare the mobs race us after us too fast for a lot of people to really keep up dps

astral crystal
#

@ember arrow yes that

#

how do

supple path
#

That said, remember to bring your +150% speed potions too, make kiting super easy for 8 seconds

storm isle
#

nice

#

or just get a frost mage

ember arrow
#

a better discord

#

then u get Citador

zinc creek
#

Last week, I was playing my warrior over my monk cause grievois. Looks like it's monk week for me

#

/๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

mossy peak
#

this is definitely ring of peace week

zinc creek
#

Yep

daring marlin
#

how good would a 110 DK twink be for IE spam?

mossy peak
#

necrotic and sanguine both beg for it

daring marlin
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ

mossy peak
#

if you're going to twink for IE make a DH

daring marlin
#

man

#

I just

#

wanna do the ez route of a character I already have but haven't leveled

#

or geared

timber vault
#

... Theres a 350 boe shield on the AH for 40k.

#

Hnnnnng

#

I want it, but once i buy it, a shield will drop for me

supple path
#

The chest gave me a 380 g'huun shield this week. As if to remind me, "You are correct to not raid...don't do it...it's a waste of your time...."

daring marlin
#

wat lol

open bluff
#

how did you get a g'huun shield from arenas wadner

astral crystal
#

๐Ÿค”

#

maybe he means a haste/mast shield

daring marlin
#

yeah probably

#

raid loot doesn't come from weekly box lol

#

4head

supple path
#

Hrm, really? It was the haste/mastery disc

daring marlin
#

disc is from atal dazar

supple path
#

Oh derp

#

So EQUIV to g'huun shield, not the actual shield.

daring marlin
#

g'huun shield is like

#

a giant shield wall of awesome

supple path
#

I'll never undo my gigantic purple artifact shield graphic from legion.

#

I stand by the game subtly encouraging me to never do mythic g'huun though.

daring marlin
#

well prot hidden appearance shield is like

#

amazing

next ermine
#

Best shield in the whole game

supple path
#

It's so goddamn big too, really feel like an actual tank.

next ermine
#

to bad i cant transmog my goddamn weapon with it

daring marlin
#

yeah, right?

sand egret
#

I don't like how you can't mog the MH

daring marlin
#

feelsbadman

next ermine
#

i could in the ptr

daring marlin
#

fury gets it easy

next ermine
#

before launch

daring marlin
#

they can transmog one weapon

#

and different weapons

next ermine
#

like wtf changed

daring marlin
#

jerks

supple path
#

Yeah, I don't hate the weapon, but wish I could change it.

daring marlin
#

the hidden appearance is hilarious

#

on B/Velves

supple path
#

^^ female blood elf, yeah, the thing's bigger than me.

next ermine
#

shoulderpads are also hilarious on them

#

weapons and shoulders get oversized on their models

#

at least the female ones

sand egret
#

it's red/purple/green and what's the other color option for that appearance

open bluff
#
^^ female blood elf```

the "female" bit is redundant
next ermine
#

red green blue purple

sand egret
#

ah blue

supple path
#

All the holy paladins in my old raid guild were male blood elves. They also spam cast salvation and protection on me on CD on trash. COINCIDENCE?

next ermine
#

the blue one is honestly one of my favorite because the color transitions so well into the shield

sand egret
#

what's the req for that one?

next ermine
#

green is pvp i think

sand egret
#

i have the other three

next ermine
#

purple is heroic KJ

sand egret
#

I'm missing whatever the blue one is

next ermine
#

blue is dungeons?

daring marlin
#

10 legion dungeons

next ermine
#

i cant remember

daring marlin
#

prolly

sand egret
#

no way cuz i have purple

#

and ive never done heroic KJ

#

that's gotta be blue

daring marlin
#

TO SKYHOLD!

supple path
#

30 dungeons using hidden artifact appearance, 200 world quests using hidden artifact appearance, kill 1,000 players using a hidden artifact appearance <--- per wowhead yeah

next ermine
#

oh im thinking of the other appearence then

daring marlin
#

lol spazzle we were thinking of mage tower appearances

next ermine
#

ya

daring marlin
#

not hidden

next ermine
#

lol

daring marlin
#

rip

sand egret
#

the weird part is....I had the green/purple from the hidden...before I got the hidden

supple path
#

The mage tower shield is so ugly.

daring marlin
#

not weird at all

#

The requirement

#

is just

#

doing those steps

#

with ANY hidden

next ermine
#

they changed how requirement works

daring marlin
#

on that character

sand egret
#

hmm, wtf hidden did I have on this guy...

supple path
#

Yeah I think I got it initially via fury - not sure if I ever unlocked the proper one.

next ermine
#

they changed requirement to overall progress instead of specific

daring marlin
#

I never did

sand egret
#

gotta be arms I think

daring marlin
#

until like a week ago

#

or two

sand egret
#

yeah I bet it was arms

daring marlin
#

I was excited cuz the base shield goes really well with BRF warrior set

sand egret
#

explains why I don't have the base look for Fury as well

daring marlin
#

well

#

go git it

sand egret
#

boy was I happy to see I had the others cuz that shit is beautiful

daring marlin
#

farm dem halls of valor

sand egret
#

I've got the tint I want for it anyway

#

ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

next ermine
#

i need to lvl my rogue and farm thunderfury at some point

#

lol

daring marlin
#

welp

sand egret
#

I just want to mog my actual TF

daring marlin
#

the blue is indeed 30 dungeons

sand egret
#

oh ez peaze

daring marlin
#

yus

chilly brook
#

This game can go die

#

gives me ANOTHER pair of bracers

#

When I have 390 bracers

daring marlin
#

hellyeah dude

#

WHAT ELSE COULD YOU WANT?!

modern brook
#

its ok

#

now u can scrap it :^)

timber vault
#

I got 395 bracers last night, except theyre mastery/versa

daring marlin
#

I'll take em off you

#

ez

timber vault
#

Tbh

#

I was praying for the shield from TD

daring marlin
#

per usual of course

timber vault
#

God, if i had gotten a 395 shield

uneven mason
#

Prot has the enviable spot of being able to have 0 fucks given on actal 2ndaries on armor pieces

chilly brook
#

Still have a 370 shield and weapon....

timber vault
#

i would have needed a new pants

chilly brook
#

@uneven mason yea it's actually nice

#

but tbh BrM is kinda the same way

daring marlin
#

I giggled

timber vault
#

Ah fuck it, buying an oswains

open bluff
#

F

#

you have tempted RNGesus, be prepared to have nothing but shields drop now

outer dew
#

TF is oswains

open bluff
#

the boe shield

timber vault
#

BoE 350 shield

#

it was relatively cheap

daring marlin
#

how relatively cheap?

uneven mason
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I would think pretty dirt cheap by now

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compared to pre M+

daring marlin
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I wouldn't spend 20k on that shit

uneven mason
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*shrug me either

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I tolerated a 340 shield almost all the way through HC progression

daring marlin
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same lol

uneven mason
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2nd Vectis kill netted me a 370

astral crystal
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I bought an oswains when it was 80k or so, then got a n ghuun shield right after

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The early days of BFA

uneven mason
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TFW you almost had to tank HC Ghuun using a M0 item

dusk locust
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or M fetid with an M0 item cough

timber vault
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It was 35k

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Had a socket too, threw one of my krakens eyes in it

daring marlin
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I am disgusted

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

uneven mason
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str gem in prot gear ๐Ÿคข

outer dew
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aite

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which one of you

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is spamming in trade chat on sarg

daring marlin
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wat

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What are they saying? lol

soft kindle
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Well if Tofu thinks it's a prot warrior

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probably gibberish

daring marlin
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probably

smoky mesa
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is there a list of "weird" spells you can reflect in bfa m+ dungeons?

daring marlin
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pins

soft kindle
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UR, WC, KR

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bring a prot, kill the world

daring marlin
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reflecting lord stormsong for over 100k is hilarious

soft yew
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!protpawn

astral crystal
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kek

oblique garnet
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Its a shame details doesnt show the reflected damage

prisma crane
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agreed

uneven mason
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!dontusepawn

timber vault
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Whoever said

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that buying the shield would make rng give me shields afterward

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Fuck you, you were right

uneven mason
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๐Ÿ‘

timber vault
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340 haste/mast shield with a socket from arathi

uneven mason
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I was all like, fuck santaclause I wish I had a 370 DC piece (weeks ago) now I Have all of them

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and it just keeps

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giving

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me DC peices

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and is like Oh you want 385 shit now, no......here are some 380 pants, so you can feel fantastic

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while you vendor them in your 390pants

tulip pond
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Aight so I have the following trinkets
370 Rezan's with socket
355 Jes' Howler
DMF Blockades

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What would be the optimal combination?

supple path
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I'd use rezan's + blockades personally.

oblique garnet
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Rezan blockades

supple path
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In fringe scenarios (don't give any damn about personal survivability) the Jes' Howler will edge out blockades, but not common.

tulip pond
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Aight, thanks for confirmation

primal crypt
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at least until I can get a decent Rezan ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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or even Button/Dread Badge

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Pop the badge, pop the button after

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big boy dmg

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or dont they have a 30 sec cooldown in between uses? :/

steel mauve
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most trinkets share a cd, if not all of em

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a short cd i should say 20 or 30 seconds, 30 i thikn

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think*

primal crypt
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hmm

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Gore and Badge?

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Or gore and button

daring marlin
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rezan is poop

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and yeah it's a 30 second cd

soft kindle
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Disc is BiS ๐Ÿ‘

sand egret
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go with the 370 button

daring marlin
primal crypt
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380 + 370 Buttons

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Genus.

sand egret
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cant have too many buttons

daring marlin
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No buttons. Only Zak'rajan.

outer dew
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Game is telling me to main mage

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Lmao

outer tundra
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Raidbots doesnโ€™t show anything for prot.. do I want 127 strength, 11 stam, 71 beers OR 191 haste, 89 mastery and gem slot

astral crystal
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71 beers for sure

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thank me later

outer tundra
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Lmao, auto correct... 71 versatility

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Vers *

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Two items, those stats are the difference between the two

supple path
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I'd say the latter, that's 320 secondary stats vs 138 primary + 71 secondary

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Though baffled as to what items would actually have a trade-off like that, pretty rare to have a primary vs secondary gap like that.

outer tundra
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So itโ€™s a run one has 193 stam 192 hast 161 mastery and gem slot. Other has 127 str, 204 stam, 71 vers, 72 mastery