i'm not gonna take the bait on this one
#protection
plain vapor
its always great to see you slowly climbing the meters past your group mates
especially on fights like zekvoz
and zul
uneven mason
"Slowly"
First add wave I'm like HNGGGGGGGGGG ๐ข ๐ต ๐ and make everyone but the HDH look like dumpster fires.
wintry ermine
wooooooooo zul M finally
wintry ermine
yeah ๐
karmic schooner
razdunk's big red buttom at 380 is a good trink?
oblique garnet
decent in pvp
karmic schooner
i got ritual bandages 380 veiled eye 360 rezan 360 tendril ghuun 370
karmic schooner
mix
lusty grotto
no blockades?
karmic schooner
i usualy use rezanwithbandages
lusty grotto
fuck bandages
daring marlin
fuck you buddy!
karmic schooner
lel
daring marlin
no u lisen
lusty grotto
i will summon levko on you
you will know the power of BDKs
you don't have blockades ? @karmic schooner
karmic schooner
yes i have
karmic schooner
ok ty :3
karmic schooner
if i want def i cold use bandage an deck?
daring marlin
hellyeahbrother
lusty grotto
bandage is the crappiest shit trinket ever
lusty grotto
plsstoptroll
lusty grotto
y
karmic schooner
60 k
daring marlin
close enough
karmic schooner
ty for the help
plain vapor
dont use that garbage ass trinket
dont use bandages
much better mileage out of any other trinket
lusty grotto
i mean
i guess bandages are better than myth
"hey i only trigger when below 40% oof"
you could go blockades + bandages for defensive purposes i suppose @karmic schooner
oblique garnet
BDK>Prot Warrior
lusty grotto
all out dps go rezan + button
daring marlin
well
The shield is actually pretty cool on mythrax
just play around the fact you have it
daring marlin
Still a pretty good shield on a 360-365
lusty grotto
his other trinkets are trash though
lusty grotto
ghuun is a trash trinket
daring marlin
oh
lusty grotto
for all classes? i cant think of a class that looks for it other than increasing ilvl
daring marlin
Iโll never defend that lol
People are just so wonky when it comes to trinkets
THOSE ARE TRAYYYYYSH
lusty grotto
i just dont see the point of a trinket that goes off when there's a specific scenario
daring marlin
top guy uses those shield ones, trav uses double pvp ones
lusty grotto
you could have something there that is proc'ing all the time
it seems wasted
bandages welp, i dont know
daring marlin
sense likes vectis and waycrest one
daring marlin
I play to the strengths of having it on my second warrior
mongo revenge
Til it pops
lusty grotto
like it just seems youre reserving a slot simply for oh shit scenarios
daring marlin
395
oblique garnet
Well yeah
daring marlin
the bastard!
oblique garnet
I only have 385 :<
daring marlin
370
lusty grotto
butcher block?
daring marlin
booourns
oblique garnet
Ye
daring marlin
yep
daring marlin
I want a tf vial bad
oblique garnet
i have 380 vial
daring marlin
I usually roll vial/syringe
oblique garnet
dont know where should i use it tho
daring marlin
for max trash deeps
oblique garnet
I like running syringe and gore
daring marlin
bis for sure
lusty grotto
hmm i dont know i like BFI too much
daring marlin
well
lusty grotto
plus more SS dmg is sexy
daring marlin
BFI is nice but do you REALLY need more block value? I want my tclaps to clap for more
plus more armor
lusty grotto
yeah
i guess the dps contribution isn't that big on BFI's end
i guess it would be better for ST though
daring marlin
Only thing I dislike about archive is how long it takes to stack
which is w/e in m+
lusty grotto
i knew it lol
daring marlin
infested critters
oblique garnet
Yes
daring marlin
so like
how about mobs that die in AD
to other mobs
that are infested
omegalul
lusty grotto
how to summon Late -> simply say Critter
oblique garnet
Yes i get sound notification everytime someone mentions critter in #protection
Next week is aids week for prot warrior so i guess ill be playing dk after doing my weekly +10 on the warr :/
daring marlin
Itโll be fiiiiiiine
oblique garnet
Yeah if i run with premade group should be fine but if i pug i get the mages that root the mobs into the sanguine
oblique garnet
2 WEEKS BABY
daring marlin
HELLYEAHBROTHER
oblique garnet
Time to get that 15+ on everything
keen spire
I'm wondering why yall think tank trinks are bad. I parse oranges on just about every pull and I use the Mythrax absorb trinket with a 355 galecallers. o.O That shit comes in handy when my healers are getting overloaded by avoidable damage going out. Many a potential wipe has been saved by Xalzaix. ๐
daring marlin
essentially
merry cave
I use blockades/mythrax trinks in m+ a lot especially if I don't know the healer. Saved my ass more than I can count
soft kindle
Nej
daring marlin
also Iโll add this caveatto the absorb trinkets
I only like them for prot warrior
daring marlin
burr
sand egret
well IP gives them a lot of value
soft kindle
but tbf, bear is a meme anyway
daring marlin
hence why I like them on prot warrior
soft kindle
I get one shot by thrash, buff plz throws a damage buff
sand egret
most don't last long enough to really showcase their effectiveness tho
soft kindle
not what I meant but thanks for the thought
sand egret
cant get thrashed if you dps'd it ded, right?
soft kindle
BigBrain WeSmart
quaint stag
the prot is in shit?
sand egret
sniffs
quaint stag
or do u think that is a good tank?
sand egret
rephrase please
quaint stag
the prot well equipped is good?
sand egret
prot well played is good
soft kindle
A good prot is a strong tank
It's just a ton easier to be shit at prot than the other tanks
quaint stag
have to use the ignore pain more often?
sand egret
if you're coming from Legion, prob less often
quaint stag
@soft kindle i understand
lavish oracle
No, mostly shield block
soft kindle
๐
sand egret
Shield Block is king
THEN IP (of course if its a fireball you cant block go for IP all the way...)
sand egret
Rock Lance. Yum
quaint stag
the priority stats are haste and?
sand egret
haste is always good, the rest are pretty close. Close enough that you can take ilvl and be fine 99% of the time
sand egret
I'd take a look at the guide if you haven't in the Pins. Particularly the talent build, as that gives more insight on why the build is good in respect to how our spec functions.
daring marlin
blade
sand egret
Spoiler: we need cooldowns to bridge gaps in mitgation which is why we spec the way we do
but GL mate
soft kindle
Good prot mitigation is p nutty on physical. Legit think bosses like Fetid are gonna be nuts post 8.1
then again what do I know, I play fury
sand egret
yeah we're set up well for the long-term imho. I haven't really read too much into the encounters specifically, but I wouldn't be surprised if maybe not this tier but the next we're going to have that one "wtb Prot" fight.
daring marlin
b o y s
soft kindle
b i t c h
sand egret
and g i r l s * ๐
lusty grotto
pls no male
kill it with fire if male
damn no more thanksgiving buff ๐ฆ
rip my rep grinds
for my alts
daring marlin
rekt kid
merry bane
well ic opied myc haracter to the PTr and I gained roughly 10k health from the buffs
my armor is 8.3k vs the 8k it i snormally
merry bane
yeah close to it. I havent seen any of th enew azerite yet
daring marlin
the sb cd is wsup
merry bane
also looking at the azerite gear. base is HoA 27 for the first ring
firs tboss drops a nice shield 5.1k block crit and haste
lusty grotto
do you have any alts?
merry bane
alot of them but only one other 120
lusty grotto
does it have professions?
merry bane
yes
lusty grotto
can you confirm if you can buy the r3 recipes without the rep, if youre exalted/rev on your main?
if you can buy them on your alt that is
merry bane
testing now
I am revered with everyone so we shall see on those pesky alchemy recipes
they did reduce the amoutn of mats for the supplies needed from 40 to 10
lusty grotto
yup
astral crystal
yo
talk to me about rep
is there a way quicker way to gain 7th legion rep
asking for a friend who has a shameful alliance alt
:^)
lusty grotto
traitor
merry bane
as of now I cannot buy recipes from 7th legion on my alt
lusty grotto
fuck
merry bane
trying proudmoore
astral crystal
FeelsBadMan
i just want a dark iron dorf
i got my dwarf to exalted with IF, body ready for heritage armor
man if only the alliance wasn't dead
lusty grotto
it isnt according to stats
merry bane
cannot buy from either rep yet
astral crystal
"stats"
lusty grotto
that's for revered?
merry bane
I can only buy what I have the rep for
lusty grotto
what in the everliving fuck? didn't they say you could buy shit on alts
merry bane
it might not be on the PTR yet
lusty grotto
yeah that sounds like it
astral crystal
hm, they mentioned something about removing the exalted requirement for certain cosmetics like tabards
or rather, making it account wide
merry bane
no they mentioned account wide rep unlocks
astral crystal
yes, that's it
lusty grotto
that's already in
astral crystal
lol
merry bane
no, what they said was all your characters will have access to all the rep items unlocked by your highest rep character
shut summit
Worth it
lusty grotto
lol
merry bane
however you still gotta earn the rep ont he characters if you so chose
lusty grotto
i guess BS isn't doing anything for me anyway
astral crystal
i dont want to drop alchemy ;_;
lusty grotto
gotta craft me the pants and belt, and thats it
merry bane
stirrups generally make money
lusty grotto
i just need a good way to make expulsoms
im thinking just craft random shit and destroy it
let me copy my chars and check this out
merry bane
A long-expected change, starting in patch 8.1, credit towards achievements like 100 Exalted Reputations will now be account-wide, so you no longer need to re-earn reputation whenever you swap main characters. Besides that, items locked with reputation, like tabards, will only have reputation requirements when you purchase them, allowing other characters in your account to freely use those items.
let me see something reral quick
I think they are taking BoP away fromt he recipes
lusty grotto
im exalted with almost all of them so ill check
merry bane
I have revered so its enough for all recipes
nvm that didnt work so I dont think they added it yet
lusty grotto
yup i definitely can't buy exalted things
on my alt
tried to buy the zandalar tabard, nope
well it does say that they will "only have reputation requirements when you purchase them"
i don't get it
that's confusing as fuck
reputation achievements gave you mounts/titles that were already account-wide
merry bane
well ir ead the comments that for recipes its still individual but for like tabards and pets should be acccount wide
but that is really confusing to read
lusty grotto
but what's the point, once you learn those - they are already account wide
battle pets for example
astral crystal
so i'm guessing you can't unlock di dwarf if you unlock maghar orc
there's no cross faction parity in reps
lusty grotto
nah you can't
and supposedly the turn ins for warfronts will be limited
those awarded a good deal of rep
i read something like that in wowhead's economy thing
merry bane
The answer, it seems, is no. Each individual toon would need to have the appropriate reputation in order to buy things from the faction vendor. The change would apply to reputation locked items that were already unlocked. So if your Druid bought a cloak or weapon that they could use then other toons would be able to use that appearance for transmog without the need for the appropriate reputation. Providing of course that they could equip the weapon in question. For example, my paladin has a ton of one handers unlocked with various factions and now my DH and warrior can use transmog them without being exalted, finally.
thats the clearest answer I could find
worthy dagger
haste or str gems
merry bane
0x
cinder nova
Gems? Plural?
lusty grotto
meh what a retarded change
daring marlin
only get 1 str gem
cinder nova
Pretty sure you're limited to one primary gem still.
worthy dagger
haste seems better overall
lusty grotto
its in the icy veins guide
always found it strange that it says only haste gems but to use STR food
steel mauve
40 hastye or 40 str, 55 haste or 100 str
lusty grotto
well that's true
steel mauve
1 to 1 haste is better, but its not worth nearly double str
even 100 stam is technically better than 55 haste
well mathematically i guess
lusty grotto
yeah
chilly brook
@lusty grotto itโs because the values for gems are the same but you get more strength than haste from food
tired cove
So according to hunter discord grevious was nerfed again can anyone confirm this ?
lusty grotto
what do you mean, again
i haven't seen anything other than the one earlier in the week
did blizzard add a healing spec to hunters?
soft kindle
It's apparently slightly bugged atm
sick sentinel
I wouldn't trust a discord full of pet battlers and weapon stealers
Also why is the discord image a Christmas hat and not a lump of coal?
cinder nova
Same reason yours looks like a candy skull Lolita
merry bane
there was apparently a hotfix to greivous earlier. it stacks every other tick now
In Mythic Keystone dungeons, the Grievous affix now stacks every other tick (was every tick), and now deals 2% of the playerโs total HP per stack (was 1.5%).
soft kindle
That was several days ago, yes
merry bane
only 1 I know of
oblique garnet
nice got my dk to 361 in 12 hours and still have to clear hc uldir
sick sentinel
heya guys
merry bane
Howdy @sick sentinel
oblique garnet
How recent changes we talking?
Because i just finished off freehold and got 5 stacks
sand egret
i see the 4th stack, but that doesn't show me it not being the 5th....
tired cove
go test it then i tested in a shrine 13 never went to 5
sand egret
trying to now ๐
merry bane
well that seems more manageable
oblique garnet
its definitely gonna be easier
merry bane
which would help alot
oblique garnet
since in the start it was 7% every tick?
merry bane
Tempted to sign up for an AD +10
oblique garnet
Just do it
vocal nimbus
It ramps slower but it gets to max damage (which is more) almost at the same time
oblique garnet
As long as your healer isnt boosted atal is ez
no but like the first grievious was 7% now if its at 8% theres not much difference if it ramps up so much slower
And before it was 10%
merry bane
but it ticks every other time not every time
sand egret
holy shit only 4 stacks
sick sentinel
picking up my os
blockades is good yeah?
or is it not, guide said yes if I recall correctly, the IV one
merry bane
I still use it at 370 but most trinkets are preference now. however Rezan's Eye is still a strong choice
tired cove
what trinkets do you gfuys normally run for M+ i been runnign rezen's/gore encrusted
merry bane
I have Syringe and Blockades
but if I need it I also have Vial. Never got a gore or Rezans to drop for me yet
tired cove
so you only run 1 dps trinket and 1 tank trinket ? i just started tanking M+ since i finally got a shield lmfao
merry bane
until i get 2 yes
sand egret
tfw you wipe on the tree boss in a +9 wm because you got more hps than your hpal
i don't think i've ever wiped to that boss.
๐ค
oblique garnet
How can you wipe on it?
It doesnt do damage
@sand egret did the healer get caught in the stun or what?
worthy dagger
did we already complain how bdks are a lot superior than prots today?
pliant sage
So I've been looking into playing a Guardian as an alt and their spec seems to have some of the same problems that Warrior does but more ability to recover from mistakes.
daring marlin
What problems does a guardian share with Warrior if they have utility?
Iโm specifically asking you because I find prot to be AOK.
pliant sage
Not sure what you mean by if they have utility.
candid path
They're a couple of weeks away from being able to cleanse poison without leaving Bear Form, so that's obviously a huge buff.
I'd say reroll right now.
pliant sage
The shared problems would be a reliance on a healer, a need to somewhat juggle AM like Prot, and the same general magic damage weakness
And I still love the playstyle of Prot
daring marlin
Reliance on a healer? All tanks rely on a healer. wat
candid path
I'd fight you on point #2, and I feel like reliance on a healer is shared across all 4 non-DK/DH tanks
Yurp.
pliant sage
The minigame of maintaining AM long term is fun to me
daring marlin
Prot Warrior isnโt terrible against magic either. Tanks in general are weaker to magic acrosd the board this expac.
pliant sage
I see Warriors and Guardian being on a different level of self sustain when compared to pally, dk, and DH
daring marlin
BDK is just less so because their mitigation is basically their healing+DR
pliant sage
And agreed all tanks are weaker to magic by design. Some tanks still have an easier time of mitigating magic damage
clear sapphire
Prot has self sustain?
candid path
Arguably one of the better magic tanks of the non-self-healing group. Granted, that's like being the prettiest Denny's waitress.
But Ignore Pain isn't punished against magic damage like Stagger, for example.
pliant sage
Self sustain as in the ability for a healer to focus on a different target for a time.
True, IP works on all incoming damage.
oblique garnet
Oh yeah we dont need that much healing as long as we have mitigation up
candid path
Spell Reflection isn't super strong all the time, but it's a magic mitigation button that basically no other classes have an analogue to.
And the occasionally reflect-able big spell is great.
soft kindle
Hold up, what the fuck
pliant sage
Agreed that feels fun
soft kindle
Bear and warrior are on two different levels
candid path
Yeah, it's great when you can.
pliant sage
What do you mean
oblique garnet
Spellreflecting the wasting strike on lord waycrest feels so good as you can see the hp melting with the dot on tyrannical
candid path
But if you're just mitigating some AoE boss channel by an extra 15%... it's still 15%.
Aye.
pliant sage
Like I'm actively trying to learn about Guardian before investing time into kne5
tired cove
guardian druid aoe threat is horrible also
candid path
Guardian Druid ST threat is worse.
soft kindle
Warrior is very good at mitigating physical damage, high mobility, very high damage, good utility
bear is just
not
pliant sage
What does bear have going for it Then?
oblique garnet
Nothing
candid path
Bear damage = ๐
pliant sage
Like is the time investment worth it?
soft kindle
That's kind of the problem
oblique garnet
No
soft kindle
bear is trash atm
soft kindle
I've mained guardian, aff, and fury since ToT. Guardian's current stat is atrocious
clear sapphire
Ppl say that about prot too ๐
pliant sage
Bleh. I was hype to have a Bear to do Uldir on
steel mauve
i find it incredibly boring as well
candid path
๐
soft kindle
Prot has legitimate isues that are being slowly but surely addressed
bear is getting a small damage buff
pliant sage
Like I've heard nothing but prot being the worst of worst tanks. I've tried pigging normal Uldir as Prot and can't get into anything. So ideas going to take a different class
I was* not ideas
candid path
Bear brings one unique piece of utility among the tanks: Stampeding Roar. Unfortunately, SR mostly sucks butt now.
steel mauve
doesnt mean we are bad, but community perception is dogshit as it is
candid path
Bonus points for pigging. ๐ท
oblique garnet
There are so many horrible warrior tanks that the perception gets twisted
soft kindle
Prot's got problems, but it's stronger than most think, and it's getting some pretty decent improvements
oblique garnet
And they dont even listen when you try to help them
pliant sage
I understand how Prot wants to be played but I just can't even get into the damn run to show it.
steel mauve
well doesnt help that the masses take the words of some youtuber as law
soft kindle
not only will prot be stronger in 8.1, it (arguably mroe importantly) will be harder to be shit at it
One of the most widespread problems prot has atm, compared to other tanks, is how easy it is to suck
and a bad prot is bad
pliant sage
And yes. Super pigging. ๐ท
clear sapphire
Ive never met a prot who couldnt find way to be shit at it ๐
royal lodge
The truth is it takes more activity to successfully tank on a warrior than other tanks and if you mess it up, you are probably going to die.
soft kindle
^
oblique garnet
Im gonna make a m+ team and try to get to mdi as a prot and not betray my true nature like sense Kappa
clear sapphire
What about that Korean Prot? was he at/going to be in the mdi sometime?
pliant sage
That's why I spent like 3 weeks learning from this discord, videos, and just practicing better play. Prot works if you do what it needs to work.
chilly brook
@pliant sage ad far as self sustain the only two that are meaningful are DK and DH and they STILL require external healing
pliant sage
But again, can't get into a group because ilv or they just don't want a 'bad class'
oblique garnet
Not boost but the other korean prot warrior who focuses mostly on m+
chilly brook
Itโs so much better
And on the topic of Prot pally we technically have more โhealingโ than they do
steel mauve
i mean even the self sustain tanks almost always require more erhps than us as well
chilly brook
^
candid path
That's the point, really.
lusty grotto
anyone need an arms warrior for this week's 10? i suppose you dont need a tank. My guild kinda left me hanging.
pliant sage
@chilly brook I get that. What I mean by self sustain is the healer being able to get another target fixed up and you not dying to it.
royal lodge
I have mained a Prot Warrior since LK and the biggest mistake Blizz made was using the legendaries of the last expansion to fix the spec that was already having issues. We know this because if we had certain abilities from the legendaries from last expansion as talents, it would solve much of the issues we are currently having.
steel mauve
so the argument of a reliance on healers is that other tanks rely on them more than us
chilly brook
You wonโt die if youโre doing things correctly
Weโre a slow class to die because of how powerful our mitigation is
lusty grotto
i mean leggos weren't that big of a deal for prot
candid path
Biggest effective health pool has virtually always won out in raiding. With tanks stripped down as they were for Uldir, it really did.
clear sapphire
On that topic Ive had to start using less IP on some M uldir bosses ๐ healers focus me more for heals. When I use IP and mitigate most of it they get lax and start to wander on their heals and when I do take dmg they dont respond fast enough
lusty grotto
sure it was nice having bracers, gloves and whatever else, but they weren't required
pliant sage
So my 355 warrior should be able to form a normal group?
oblique garnet
Ye 330 is enough for nm
sick sentinel
I gotta agree with nim, leggos did not do much for us like other classes/specs
pliant sage
Like I still need to learn the bosses and all.
Videos can only do so much and I don't trust LFR to be anything but a lot pinyata
lusty grotto
LFR gives you a very basic rundown, so it's a step in the right direction
chilly brook
@royal lodge the best legos for prot did almost nothin defensively unless youโre counting the belt or bracers but even then they were extremely miniscule
pliant sage
Loot*
royal lodge
Extra charge of shield block and spell reflect? Rage based healing? More rage and damage from our main attacks?
soft kindle
pants were only really used for like
sick sentinel
Added nothing to cover our weaknesses
lusty grotto
the fuck used pants in anything other than solo tanking ToS first boss when it wasn't nerfed
soft kindle
Argus 3 rd tank
steel mauve
pants were used on like 3 bosses the entire expansion for progression
oblique garnet
Uhh dont stand in shit uhh taunt swap uhh stay close to other tank except on zul zek mythrax when not tanking @pliant sage
lusty grotto
you didnt even need pants for fel claws
daring marlin
gloves were the big one
oblique garnet
Nm is a joke
chilly brook
Gloves and belt were pretty much used a ton
daring marlin
and that was just more damage
soft kindle
Bracers were cool, but we generate a fraction of the rage we used to
soft kindle
so it'd be like
chilly brook
And gloves were just more damage
soft kindle
no healing right now
oblique garnet
Lfr is probably harder than normal except ghuun
royal lodge
I am just typing that if some of those abilities were talents now, Prot would be having far less issues.
daring marlin
no
chilly brook
No
daring marlin
they wouldn't
lusty grotto
they aren't needed lol
daring marlin
none of those legendaries would matter at all
lusty grotto
we need utility no small heal on rage spent
chilly brook
Our rage generation kicks bracers out of any relevance
soft kindle
The only one that would be good, ironically, would be the pants or belt
daring marlin
yes
steel mauve
hell the bracers were like 80% overhealing in legion, and we dont have the rage gain currently to make it useful
daring marlin
the belt would be the only one
and tbh
the way AM and DC work
it would be pointless
lusty grotto
and the one thing we don't have that was in legion is REFLECTIVE PLATING, which btw wasn't available in leggos, it was an artifact trait
oblique garnet
Giving warrior mass grip would make warriors best for m+ change my mind
sick sentinel
I still find the belt/ring to be fucking useless with am being a thing
lusty grotto
thats why you used belt with AM
sick sentinel
I'd rather use the fucking shoulders or boots
chilly brook
Belt was hilarious
lusty grotto
eh i do miss boots
royal lodge
Gloves provided more rage generation.
lusty grotto
gottagofastmeng
chilly brook
Gloves provided barely any rage
daring marlin
with dc nerf it would be gr8
pliant sage
To get those changes in BFA it would cost something. Is prot in a place to give up like Demo for 100% uptime on shield block?
daring marlin
but currently it'd do barely anything
sick sentinel
I'd rather not try to go for that monkeys paw @pliant sage
oblique garnet
Huh? Give up demo? What
chilly brook
Iโm fine with not having 100% uptime on Shield Block
Thatโs part of what makes us different and allows our mitigation to be so good
royal lodge
What about the idea of critical strike increase our critical block chance? That way there is a reason for us to stack critical strike?
daring marlin
I'd rather a new mastery entirely.
chilly brook
Correct me if Iโm wrong
daring marlin
That's probably one of the only changes I'd like. Dumping our current stupid mastery for something else.
chilly brook
But uh
lusty grotto
secondaries are fine as they are
chilly brook
Mastery already increase your crit block chance
sick sentinel
I would have loved to crit to work like that instead of towards parru
royal lodge
I would also like a new mastery but from what I have read, the current mastery has been reinstated on the PTR.
chilly brook
I like our mastery
lusty grotto
and i say that as having to painfully stack mastery as arms in legion
daring marlin
@lusty grotto Agreed. Especially since they axed reforging.
daring marlin
Only to readd it in the worst possible way.
oblique garnet
Just stack crit so you can get that sweet sweet parry
daring marlin
Fucking BLIZZARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! shakes fist
chilly brook
Give us an ability in the vein of nelthโs shield thing where we have guaranteed crit block
On a CD
daring marlin
reforging would be AOK since they dumped hit and expertise
pliant sage
Doesn't increasing base block chance make our mastery better as a consequence?
chilly brook
Mastery increases base block chance, crit block, crit block chance and your AP
pliant sage
I know. That's why we need the best uptime in it that we can have
chilly brook
Clearly we should shoot for our best uptime
royal lodge
The other idea I had was to make shield block 100% critical block and make it a defensive cooldown instead of AM.
chilly brook
But that doesnโt mean weโre broken because we canโt achieve 100%
pliant sage
Can't you only critically block what was already considered a block?
chilly brook
Yes
lusty grotto
bosses do enough shit that 100% isn't required
chilly brook
You roll for a block and then roll for a crit block
amber siren
crit block is an additional roll off your initial block
chilly brook
^
pliant sage
That's what I thought. It's why the Bolstering talent is so good.
chilly brook
Thereโs plenty of gaps where we donโt need SB or have other things available for it
pliant sage
Yep
chilly brook
Bolster is great for a few reasons
pliant sage
Boss movement, tank swaps, casts, etc.
lusty grotto
yeah i enjoy bolster
chilly brook
A) letโs our SB recharge, B) last stand was already a good ability and having a lower CD is great
lusty grotto
gives LS more reason to be used
royal lodge
If I have 2 charges of SB, I will cast it just for the increase SS damage.
chilly brook
No
lusty grotto
instead of random oh shit button that is redundant with rallying
chilly brook
Unless you have no chance of taking the boss in the next 12 seconds donโt use SB for extra damage
pliant sage
Exactly. It's basically a Warriors extra charge of Survival Instinct that Bears have. (Had to sorry ๐ )
chilly brook
Itโs very minor tbh
steel mauve
If i know im not going to take the boss ill use shield blocks for extra dmg and rage spent, but only if im gonna have that charge back before i taunt
daring marlin
I do the same thing.
lusty grotto
if you're not close to pulling off your OT, it's viable sure but obviously not at the risk of creating bigger gaps
pliant sage
But the basic design of Warriors seems solid, the numbers just need tuned after the 8.1 changes imo
Are there any changes to IP scaling?
chilly brook
No
outer dew
I don't mind our numbers though
pliant sage
Awww ๐
lusty grotto
no, but with bigger ilvl comes bigger IPs due to STR
chilly brook
But tbh I donโt think we need any real tuning
outer dew
I think our numbers are fair
chilly brook
^
Itโs going to suck to lose our DC uptime but our vanguard buffs are retarded
And they get even further out of this world with more gear
chilly brook
It probably wonโt be out of the question to see Prot warriors approaching 50% mitigation from regular blocks towards the end of the next tier tbh
outer dew
Just gonna be happy with mage/warrior
outer dew
Did you ever add me on bnet?
chilly brook
With the increase in block from higher shields snd stuff like bfi scaling
outer dew
I'll run shit with you as mage
oblique garnet
All these na people having fun doing keys๐ช
outer dew
You know I can pull the numbers bby
daring marlin
yes
pliant sage
So some of the problems are just gear access problems? I'm sure haste and mastery increases will help smooth out rage gen as well.
outer dew
Oh wait. If I run with you as mage what if you tinna take my spot as top prot on sarg
Actually gonna have to push keys again
Lmao
pliant sage
Or is rage generation even still a problem at 380 and up?
oblique garnet
No
outer dew
Let me whisp you my btag
chilly brook
More haste directly translates to more rage
outer dew
Not on PC ATM
chilly brook
I donโt have any issues with rage at 377
outer dew
Hmm
pliant sage
I have to always prioritize rage spent on IP instead of revenge at 355.
chilly brook
But a lot of rage โproblemsโ just comes down to proper rage management
pliant sage
Granted my gear isn't optimized, I have too much crit
oblique garnet
Tofu whats your rio atm?
chilly brook
Good donโt use Revenge unless itโs free or youโre swimming in rage and donโt need defensive
outer dew
Just been doing sales recently
oblique garnet
Oh damn youre too close to me
outer dew
Weeks ass for pushes and I miss the last push week
pliant sage
That's what you all told me forever ago, works fine. ๐
oblique garnet
I might have to push some keys tmrw
oblique garnet
1600 or no dice
chilly brook
Iโm crit Heavy as well
oblique garnet
Its one affix week 1600 shouldnt ve that hard
chilly brook
pliant sage
I go with the general rule of having 50ish rage available when in combat so I can use IP or SB as needed.
daring marlin
chilly brook
Canโt help what the game gives me ๐
pliant sage
I'm not even sure what my stats are. Sec to see if I logged out in prot gear
chilly brook
Anyways if youโre needing any more help donโt hesitate to ask, plenty of people in here willing to help and plenty of resources available
outer dew
Nah
Can't help
Been too lazy on the push
I'm getting edged out of top 100 world
:^)
daring marlin
2much mage
chilly brook
You right all I can do is trigger people xD
oblique garnet
Ye i feel you
royal lodge
I only use revenge when it is free or I am raged capped.
lusty grotto
this is good
chilly brook
Nah fam use it before youโre rage capped ๐
pliant sage
Yep @chilly brook the community here has been awesome. I'm actually wanting to get involved in endgame content for the first time in a while. ๐ ๐
daring marlin
I'm hoping for dat phat vectis chest this week
SO I CAN PUSH WITH DOUBLE ARCHIVE BABY
chilly brook
If you prefer a video guide as well lemme know
chilly brook
@daring marlin what are you bad? xD ๐๐
daring marlin
maybe
I also want a good mythrax trinket to go with it
AND WHERE IS YOUR SANTA HAT
chilly brook
Plz no ban is /s
daring marlin
HEATHEN
pliant sage
I think I have the basics down. If you know where to get a good set of boss guides so I don't look like a total derp I'd appreciate that.
daring marlin
steel mauve
in the pins, the tank notes link]
oblique garnet
@outer dew that not timed fh +15 unlucky
daring marlin
you boys
chilly brook
If dark mech is still making boss guides he was always good and quick to the point
chilly brook
pliant sage
Thanks Griff
daring marlin
BUTTONS IS PRECIOUS
pliant sage
I'm at work and derping on mobile.
pliant sage
I am. ๐
I'll make sure to log out in prot stuff later so you all can judge and condemn my choices.
outer dew
you know what
finna gonna use
the execuse i'm alliance
for not pushing
not enoguh keys :^)
crude ether
bruh
oblique garnet
Thats just
outer dew
smh
oblique garnet
Lame
oblique garnet
Can i use the excuse that im from EU? :^)
chilly brook
Lova
outer dew
no
crude ether
:^)
outer dew
;D
crude ether
:^)
oblique garnet
Levko is female gotcha
oblique garnet
Naowh and co were selling +17s on time for 1m each with selfplay and they constantly had buyers and its gonna make pugging so much worse
soft kindle
rofl saw that
pliant sage
What even is the point of buying any higher than a 10? Does the azurite scale or something?
soft kindle
we're just getting comfortable with 17s, these fucks are selling them
ree
Higher the key, the more loot drops
and probably want higher score too
oblique garnet
Ye but like if you were trying and they failed to time it you get full refund or another key
pliant sage
But they don't preform at that level or they wouldn't have to buy the run, right?
It just doesn't make sense for me. ๐
abstract pelican
What's y'alls personal favorite team comp as a prot warrior? Also any healer preferences? As much as I like Rdruid, I love monks just for the ring
oblique garnet
Depends entirely on the affixes
abstract pelican
Oh?
oblique garnet
For necrotic weeks monk
abstract pelican
So for this upcoming week any classes you make sure to bring?
oblique garnet
Dk
crude ether
good comp for war is rdruid, DH, and boomy almost always then rogue or mage depending on the dungeon
oblique garnet
Personal favorite is rdruid mage and hunter/boomie and any melee dps really
abstract pelican
Excellent, thanks!
merry bane
I am doign heroics for my satchels and every is like yay ex mode lol
well yay ez mode, apparently cant spell today
oblique garnet
Speeding through heroic pulling everything on sight just for the dps
merry bane
I actually did that
on all he trash before cragmaw
had spiders all over the damn place
oblique garnet
Some dude actually said โyikes a prot warriorโ when i qued for hc dungeons purely because of the satchel
merry bane
lol why? apparently the hype?
pliant sage
Yep. The broad community thinks prot is crap. It's blocking me from being accepted to pugs that I'm at gear for.
merry bane
same for any high mythics I wanna do
oblique garnet
Ye im at 384 so i think i can pretty much just solo any heroic dungeons xD
merry bane
370 here. but yeah its like ope a prot warrior. no way
oblique garnet
I dont have trouble getting into any content at this point
sand egret
i don't really either tbh
merry bane
havent done mythic uldir yet
sand egret
counter-point: im 0/8n
oblique garnet
All you have to do is push your own keys if pugs dont accept you
sand egret
๐
merry bane
well i am farming for items
and dotn want a 340 mythic 0
cause a 340 rezans eye wont be better than a 355 or higher
sand egret
oohh did I miss the preferred comp? Mine is RDruid/Boomie/Rogue/(WW/Shaman/DH)
pliant sage
๐ถ now I feel undergeared.
pliant sage
For the content I wana do 355 is fine.
oblique garnet
How long have you played your warrior?
sand egret
totally, and that's right when Prot gets juicy
~360
once you get that shield upgrade is :ok-hand:
pliant sage
I only want to complete/farm Normal and some lower mythic+
sand egret
also, funny enough getting into lower keys was harder for me as prot
like them mid-range shits
pliant sage
And I've played Warrior since Sunwell. Granted I didn't cap the damn thing until after Wrath came out
oblique garnet
I meant in bfa
sand egret
that's when you have the hive-minders who haven't played with a solidly piloted war
pliant sage
Oh. I leveled a hunter first
oblique garnet
Ah i see
pliant sage
I was tired after tanking forever
Honestly I leveled the warrior just to get rep for Mag'har. Then I remembered I liked the class
oblique garnet
Because 355 seems bit low considering i got my alt to 362 after 10~ hours
pliant sage
I haven't done any m+ or raids.
pliant sage
Like I get why my gear is crapm
timber vault
Almost tempted to try to tank heroic uldir
sand egret
point is to work with what he's got
timber vault
with my shitty 330 shield
pliant sage
Not trying to blame anyone etc
sand egret
oof
oblique garnet
I meant as in low if he has played since the start of the expansion blade
pliant sage
Go do a damn Warfronts and get a 340 shield
sand egret
still, I've had my druid since the start and he's only 358
pliant sage
And the Warrior has been at cap for 3ish weeks.
timber vault
It wont give me a fucking shield
timber vault
And im trying to get into a H uldir as dps right now
sand egret
cache gods bless you
timber vault
to roll on vectis again
pliant sage
I got a shield as a quest reward along with a main hand. Then this week I ran 8 Warfronts for the damn axe model
sand egret
nice nice
pliant sage
Is there a 2h sword model for horde? I have the maul and axe
sand egret
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pliant sage
๐
sand egret
not a horde guy, sorry
oblique garnet
Oh yeah blade is alliance
timber vault
If you need transmog advice to go with the warfront set, i can help
pliant sage
I have 1.5 complete plate sets on my horde side since I kept getting effing greaves
sand egret
but coming from way back when, @oblique garnet my healer in that WM was just ...well slow. So he got overwhelmed by grievous
to what you ask? the splinters
and maybe people standing in lightning I dunno
oblique garnet
Probably one of those people who dont use mouseover macros or any healer addons
pliant sage
Omg how can you even heal without mouseover macros?
sand egret
I don't
pliant sage
General question*
sand egret
I have everyone keybound
I also don't raid so its easy to deal with 5 and I heal on resto which also doesn't do to much snap targeting lol
oblique garnet
But its so much faster with mouseover macros
oblique garnet
Yes
sand egret
i can be looking anywhere, really
oblique garnet
So you have bind that switches your target right?
pliant sage
You can mouseover unit frames and just hit a keybind
sand egret
i have a bind for my party members
oblique garnet
^
sand egret
like each one
pliant sage
Huh, never heard of that kind of healing.
sand egret
i'm a strange cookie
only addon i have is details and r.io
i don't recommend it, but it works for me
timber vault
... Ah bloody fuck. Declined from almost all these heroics because I dont have AotC :/
daring marlin
that's normal tbh
timber vault
I'm 8% away from my AotC
merry bane
Dont you love that. gotta kill ghuun to get into ghuun raids
sand egret
classic WoW
pliant sage
How to get AOTC without being able to get into a group without AOTC?
timber vault
I've legitimately seen every mechanic that heroic Uldir throws at you, several times over
timber vault
Brb linking ready for raiding
oblique garnet
Its best when the one who creates group has the title 4/8m leader on alt is actually 340 3/8nm
sand egret
best achievement
merry bane
its like a job, need experience to get the job, but can only get experience from the job
sand egret
that should be the requirement to get into uldir
zinc mauve
@pliant sage just do what i did for mythic groups and link uncompleted mythic ghuun achievement
sand egret
just get that achievement
zinc mauve
some groups check if you've actually done it... plenty dont
merry bane
I have AOTC and I got kicked from a normal uldir because of a glitch mechanic
they said because I died on Taloc I was a failure.
sand egret
but did you die to Dark Blade?
oblique garnet
If im pugging taloc i just jump down the elevator
merry bane
no I died due to being knocke dback by a blood into Mothers room
sand egret
๐
merry bane
on elevator phase.