protection

[dire wyvern]

Hpal DansGame

[lusty grotto]

hpal is hecka fun, except on grievous week @ siege

siege last boss

christ

[modern brook]

Least you're not hpriest 😦

[lusty grotto]

lul

[chilly brook]

Legion did a lot of “monk is to complex because no one plays them. So because no one plays them they must be way too hard so we need to make them easier for everyone”

[uneven mason]

8 MW and 2 BrM all monk raids...those were the days

[lusty grotto]

btw i have a question

[uneven mason]

when Fistweaving was so stupidly OP

[lusty grotto]

why do BDKs get rocked by the Giant boss so badly

[chilly brook]

Isn’t fistweaving back in business?

[uneven mason]

not on the same level as it was in SoO

[lusty grotto]

this BDK yesterday got raped by melee

[uneven mason]

Giant boss?

[modern brook]

Because BDK's are bad

[lusty grotto]

boss before last

[dire wyvern]

fistweaving is there for DPS, they fistweaving talents are underwhelming

[uneven mason]

Mythrax?

[lusty grotto]

Siege

[uneven mason]

Oh

[modern brook]

Like the palyers not the class

[lusty grotto]

no i'm pretty sure this bdk was doing shit correctly

[modern brook]

ppl who dont know how to tank are rolling them cause lol free io

Oh dang

[lusty grotto]

but melee hits on him were fucking him up

probably had gear broken

[modern brook]

Was it this week?

[uneven mason]

Which boss again?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[modern brook]

that boss just has strong aa's tbh

[uneven mason]

Oh in siege of Boralus

[dire wyvern]

No big mitigation so the melee hits chunk but they top up fast

[lusty grotto]

giant boss you have to LoS the wave

[dire wyvern]

and they can AMS the other shit

[uneven mason]

That dude does crap for melee..

[dire wyvern]

you dont have to LoS the wave

[modern brook]

shieldblock is op, AS ALWAYS

[dire wyvern]

it hits for fuck all

[uneven mason]

like the big hits are all magic damage

[dire wyvern]

it doesnt scale with m+

[chilly brook]

Yea that dude doesn’t hit hard at all

[lusty grotto]

it's grievous week

[chilly brook]

But then again....

I am a prot warrior sooooo

[lusty grotto]

so yes LoS the wave :p

[uneven mason]

feels like he was just not doing his stuff properly

[modern brook]

😠

[lusty grotto]

i'll have to take a look at logs

[dire wyvern]

yeh admittedly i havent done a siege this week

[modern brook]

I opened with that

[uneven mason]

Although, I mean, yeah I've only tanked him as a Prot warrior

So

My read on his melee hits may be off

[lusty grotto]

i dont fucking remember being hit so hard by melee on that boss

as prot

[modern brook]

🛡

[uneven mason]

we don't get hit hard by anything in melee

[lusty grotto]

so i was like what the fuck is happening

this guy was getting non stop railed

[uneven mason]

"lol Thrash on M fetid?" 22k hits, HOW U DOIN PROT PAL? Prot pal?...Pal..O u ded

[chilly brook]

TBH I feel like if I was playing my monk it wouldn’t be a question of if I wanted to log in or not

[lusty grotto]

then he dc on top of the ice shit he leaves, so that was the key.... rip 9 Boralus

[chilly brook]

Just simply because I’d stop dealing with retards all the time

[dire wyvern]

yeh on my BDK in a 16 SoB i was at 50% most of the fight then topped when he casts

[chilly brook]

And by that I mean the “lmao prot is a joke gtfo”

[sand egret]

that boss does have heavier-than-usual melees

[uneven mason]

I haven't delt with that in a while

I mean "giant"

that makes sense

[modern brook]

I mean

High enough key + tyranical

[lusty grotto]

i don't remember the name of that fucking boss ever

[sand egret]

but he also seems to swing like once every patch so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

all bosses have melees that hurt

[lusty grotto]

shit i dont remember the names of any of the bosses

last boss is kraken

giant

[chilly brook]

Pirate

[sand egret]

Deepbeard Bumblefuck

[modern brook]

Who was the first boss in Vault of The Wardens?

[chilly brook]

DH dude

[modern brook]

he's my favorite

[sand egret]

Felsoul Bumblefuck

[lusty grotto]

Pirate Heigan part 2

[uneven mason]

"Lime Green Elf"

[modern brook]

you dare lecture me about sacrifice?

something something something, hate rage these are the things i crave

dead

[lusty grotto]

fucking kite him to bomb boss

[sand egret]

“bitch we both aint got eyes” - me on my dh

[modern brook]

VotW was prob my favorite dungeon in general tbh

[chilly brook]

“I wish I just ripped my own eyes out rather than see this disappointment of a class” - me on my DH

[cinder nova]

My guild refused to let me take Thrash

[lusty grotto]

i like votw last boss

liked*

[cinder nova]

Even after I livelorded 3 thrashes while mting

[uneven mason]

I always kind've want to be like "Sacrificed? Nothing, still kicking your ass, guess you should've just worked harder rather than drinking the lime cool aid"

[modern brook]

really only the 2nd and the golem were lame

[chilly brook]

For real though coming from monk being the most recent class design before DH, it was a severely disappointing class

[modern brook]

the golem was only lame cause I still cant tell you the mechanics and I've finished 19s in that dungeon

[cinder nova]

Golem was joke

[chilly brook]

DH was all about looking cool and not about being a class with substance

[modern brook]

I think monk and DH were designed with different demographics in mind

[uneven mason]

Golem had a mechanic where he would get stronger the longer he burned, and then you used the frost to reset it all so you had more room

[modern brook]

Ie: monks -> ppl who wanted a more complex rotation in any of their respective roles

dh -> 14yo w/ moms credit cards

[chilly brook]

I mean

[sand egret]

my best “lore” moment is when I basically give Kil’jaeden the finger in front of my whole order hall, the some twit ass guard is like “what have you sacrificed?”

“....did you even SEE WHAT HAPPENED?”
realizes everyone in this fucking place is blind

[uneven mason]

TFW the boss didn't have enough HP once you had raid gear to survive more than 40seconds, on 15 tyrranical

[cinder nova]

Monk was designed for people that don't have enough ridges on their brain to get any traction on the idea of tanking

[modern brook]

visually, dh is beautiful

[cinder nova]

DH was for edgy tweens

[chilly brook]

I would agree with you if they didn’t cite the fact that monk was not a highly played class as one of their reasons for making it much easier to play

[modern brook]

in legion it had a lot to be desired rotationally tho

[lusty grotto]

here's list of Underrot bosses:

caster lady part 245241
Mrs "please stand between the ribcage and boss" Fugly Piggy
lil timmy does all the work clearing shrooms with his shockwave
the light is good jenkins

[modern brook]

I mean they did that like 2-3 expansions later griff

[uneven mason]

original BrM required a PHD to play

[chilly brook]

@cinder nova I mean I play a monk because I think Chinese martial arts is badass

Original BrM was dope

And even WoD BrM was dope

[uneven mason]

I hated healing BrMs

[lusty grotto]

lol Blade

[cinder nova]

I would like monk if it was more martial less mystic

[sand egret]

wait Nim, you dont run through all the mushrooms yourself?!

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto 2nd boss is clearly a boy

[sand egret]

just Fireblood it off

[chilly brook]

That’s part of the cool part

[cinder nova]

Chi and brew is lame

[lusty grotto]

shit man i didnt know, i'm sorry

[sand egret]

damn son

[modern brook]

its in his voice lines :/

[lusty grotto]

no i meant that he was a boy

[chilly brook]

I mean drunken boxing my man

Legend of the drunken master

[lusty grotto]

i usually have a cloak rogue do it blade

[cinder nova]

Drunken boxing wasn't actually drunken though

[sand egret]

woah, exploitation of labor

[chilly brook]

It was in the legend of the drunken master 😜

[lusty grotto]

fireblood hiss

[cinder nova]

I play a scaled fist monk and brawler in pathfinder

[sand egret]

oh, that the sound of me burning all those debuffs away?

[cinder nova]

I like that kind of unarmed way more

Or like how I always do unarmed runs and pvp in DS games

[lusty grotto]

🖕

[chilly brook]

And real Chinese martial arts are fairly deeply spiritual and sometimes “mystical” in nature

[dapper leaf]

Is disc of systematic / on use versatility (pvp trinket) decent for prot?

[chilly brook]

So I appreciate the fact that monk has a lot of mysticism

[cinder nova]

Not as much as you'd think

[lusty grotto]

on use versa might be decent

[cinder nova]

Also LOT5R does monks better too I feel

[lusty grotto]

disc is meh

[cinder nova]

Wow just used every trope they could think of

[sand egret]

monk animations are very hit or miss with me

[cinder nova]

Which is why it feels uninteresting to me

[dapper leaf]

How about syringe for prot?

[cinder nova]

Good for ST

[lusty grotto]

syringe is good for dps

btw

8th week in a row no syringe

with tokens!

or seals rather

will probably get it when 8.1 hits

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t call myself an expert but there is a channel on YouTube that I watch and the guy was a shaolin monk

There’s a fair bit of it involved in that

[dapper leaf]

What are the desired trinkets for prot? Not defensive ones

[lusty grotto]

defensive ones

syringe and fathoms are good

rezan also

[chilly brook]

Button, vial, Rezan’s, Syringe

[lusty grotto]

i had forgotten about button

[chilly brook]

If you can swing it, a high ilvl incessantly ticking clock is good

[lusty grotto]

damn i miss pressing that and blowing shit up

[chilly brook]

Disc is good for aoe

[dapper leaf]

Okay cool, I appreciate it. How does prot feel in 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

there it is

[chilly brook]

Basically almost all trinkets have a place in different situations and depending on ilvl

The same but better?

[lusty grotto]

is that the first one we've gotten today?

[chilly brook]

Same rotation slightly sped up because we don’t have IP on the gcd?

[lusty grotto]

congratulations Hgh, you win the award of asking the same question that has been asked since 8.1 was announced for the first time today

HORRAY!

[chilly brook]

And defensively better because we can block ranged attacks?

[lusty grotto]

🎈

[dapper leaf]

Cool, thanks for the balloon.

[chilly brook]

At least that’s what I’ve been told

[ember arrow]

@lusty grotto well, not everyone is in this channel all the time 😛

[lusty grotto]

how

how did i manage that

[chilly brook]

Can’t be bothered to download the PTR

[lusty grotto]

i didn't even mention BDKs

[ember arrow]

bdk?

wut?

what does that have to do with anything

[lusty grotto]

noooooo double summon

[chilly brook]

I’d wager to say though if you don’t enjoy prot now you probably won’t in 8.1 unless the main thing holding you back is your hate for IP being on the gcd

[lusty grotto]

i've been had

[dapper leaf]

I am just picking up prot

[modern brook]

How good are you at clapping booties?

[lusty grotto]

learn to play it now, and you'll have an easier time past 8.1

[chilly brook]

Hmmmm

[lusty grotto]

slightly easier

[chilly brook]

Just thinking about it

[lusty grotto]

not by much

[chilly brook]

But our block value is gonna start getting insane next tier

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it will

[modern brook]

I wouldnt know

😦

[lusty grotto]

more and more with each tier

and then blizz will fucking hit the K value with the nerf hammer like always

[chilly brook]

I’m at like 33% rn on bosses

[dapper leaf]

Okay cool, I know prot isn’t the best mythic+ spec. Though how does it fair in higher keys? My rogue is 1700+ though I am looking at maybe swapping to a tank, but don’t want to be the normal cookie cutter class.

[chilly brook]

Don’t wanna see what it’s gonna be with an extra 30-45ilvls

[lusty grotto]

if you're on that mind set - you've picked the right tank @dapper leaf

[chilly brook]

It’s capable of doing higher keys

[lusty grotto]

high keys are the same deal, lots of kiting and stuff

[modern brook]

I'll play devils advocate and say if you wanna tank high m+ keys, play bdk

[chilly brook]

You’re just going to have to work harder than other tanks

[modern brook]

Prot can do it

bdk does it better.

[chilly brook]

^

[dire wyvern]

in 8.1 prot will be 2nd tier in m+ imo

[lusty grotto]

by high keys we kinda mean 15+

[modern brook]

8.0 prot is 2nd teir m+ imo

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t go that far

[dapper leaf]

Yeah

15+

[chilly brook]

That’s pretty generous imo

2nd tier to me is monk

[lusty grotto]

yeah i wouldn't say 2nd tier

[modern brook]

I mean 2nd tier is literally "not bdk, not bear"

[chilly brook]

Nah

[dire wyvern]

BDK > BRM > VDH > Pala > Warr > Guardian atm

BDK > BRM/Warr > VDH > Pala > Guardian 8.1 imo

[lusty grotto]

ehhh we'll see

[safe goblet]

i feel like brew is gonna take over bdk in 8.1

[lusty grotto]

i mean it's the same dungeons, blocking projectiles is big but still

[dire wyvern]

dont think so

[modern brook]

def not

[astral crystal]

why would warr be that high up?

[dire wyvern]

BDK is barely changed

they will still be extremely strong

[modern brook]

BDK can no longer survive pulling the entire dungeon

thats about it

[uneven mason]

I Mean

[modern brook]

as far as changes go

[uneven mason]

they're capped at half the dungeon now

[dire wyvern]

BDK is only nerfed past 5+ mobs

[chilly brook]

S tier: BDK
A tier: DH (A+), Paladin (A-)
B tier: monk
C tier: warrior/Druid

This is only for m+ mind you

[dire wyvern]

monk below pala and vdh lol

[modern brook]

I disagree with DH being that high

though its probably all the bad vengence I see

[chilly brook]

It’s all utility

[dire wyvern]

swap A and B tier

[uneven mason]

when you get down to it

[lusty grotto]

hold up, we gotta define our rankings here...

[uneven mason]

its BDK >>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guardian

[chilly brook]

M+ is all about the utility

[lusty grotto]

we can do utility + defensiveness

[chilly brook]

Monk won’t ever overtake BDK

[lusty grotto]

if we do defensiveness alone, prot will be high up

[chilly brook]

Or DH

[modern brook]

Yall acting like 32k burst aoe isnt utility /s

[dire wyvern]

monk has very low DPS remember

[chilly brook]

Right but clearly the current meta doesn’t favor high defensive tanks in m+

[dire wyvern]

monk dps is basically all from the +5% melee dmg

[lusty grotto]

monks are also shit on skittish lol

[chilly brook]

If you’re playing a monk and having issues on skittish lmao

You’re not using your talents

[lusty grotto]

they need perma misdirect

[uneven mason]

All tanks feel like they do dumpster DPS

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[modern brook]

I'm blaming fotm on that nim

[uneven mason]

compared to prot

Its jarring

[dire wyvern]

VDH does good dps

[uneven mason]

how much I get used to just crashing trash in M+

[dire wyvern]

BDK aswell with bonestorm on a pack

[modern brook]

Warrior doenst need avatar though, to pull dps

[chilly brook]

Use statue in m+ on skittish as monk and profit

[uneven mason]

They do good DPS, but not 👢 🍵 👏 DPS

[modern brook]

only when we want to top charts

[lusty grotto]

statue doesn't keep agro

[dire wyvern]

lmao

[chilly brook]

No it doesn’t

[lusty grotto]

it's not as effective

[chilly brook]

But it gives you an aoe taunt

[lusty grotto]

right but its not as effective as it was in legion

[chilly brook]

Increasing your aggro generation

[lusty grotto]

remember taunt was changed

[chilly brook]

Didn’t really say it was as effective but it’s still good

Nah it was a tooltip change

[modern brook]

^

[chilly brook]

Taunt didn’t change

[dire wyvern]

losing ring for statue tho is pretty shit

[modern brook]

RoP is nuts

[lusty grotto]

yeah RoP is great for next week tooo

[chilly brook]

The point still stands though

[modern brook]

/cast [@heavy mirage] Ring of Peace
/dance

sorry player

[chilly brook]

If you can’t keep aggro as a monk you’re just not using your talents

[lusty grotto]

i haven't had a single BrM - while playing as arms - that could keep agro as well as i do as prot

i always pull

someone always pulls

[dire wyvern]

obviously

[modern brook]

thats def not fair lol

[chilly brook]

Lmao Arms

[modern brook]

Arms pulls off everything

[lusty grotto]

and in skittish...

[chilly brook]

Try waiting a few seconds

[uneven mason]

why when DBTS

[lusty grotto]

i dont need to have dps waiting, when i prot with an arms warrior in a group

[dire wyvern]

the only mega tilting thing as BrM is that keg smash doesnt damage explosives even if you target them

[modern brook]

DBTS os basically apart of the opener

[dire wyvern]

so our only good dps ability couldnt be used on them

[uneven mason]

same with Revenge and Thunderclap Sniffle

I mean, post nerf oneshotting them with VR crits

[dire wyvern]

atleast shield slam can do something

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

all in all though

[modern brook]

oh man

[uneven mason]

on other tanks the DPS should be hitting explosives

if I had to kill one

[modern brook]

I'm so excited to be happy to see revenge procs again

[uneven mason]

I'd start giving the DPS shit

[modern brook]

most underated buff in 8.1

[uneven mason]

like if i HAD to target one and kill it

[dire wyvern]

tanks should be concentrating on doing explosives

[uneven mason]

Also, being arms on explosive week when you had flipperhand pugs who couldn't target them, might as well remove bladestorm from my bars

[dire wyvern]

much more efficient

[lusty grotto]

i mean i just do orbs with sweeping up

[modern brook]

fury can cleave them w/ meat cleaver

[lusty grotto]

as arms

[uneven mason]

I Know

[modern brook]

but then u have to play fury

[uneven mason]

Its called Whirl Wind btw

[modern brook]

I understand

[uneven mason]

the buff

Meat CLeaver was a garbo talent or something

after prepatch

[lusty grotto]

fury :vomit:

[modern brook]

i woudlnt know i dont play bad sepcs :^)

[uneven mason]

just guessing

I mean, I used Fury as a motivational tool for the other warriors in my guild

[modern brook]

I'm honstly just tilted i sim higher on fury than i do arms, despite not gearing for fury in the slightest the entire expansion

[uneven mason]

because when I was beating them on MZek in DPS

as fury

I was like "that - that can't happen"

[lusty grotto]

the fuck

[modern brook]

(and also with azerite traits ~15 lower than my arms in every slot)

[dire wyvern]

ofc fury sims higher

[uneven mason]

SO they do better now

[lusty grotto]

that's because you're simming for patchwerk

[dire wyvern]

arms is worse on ST except for execute with EP and boss mechanics

[lusty grotto]

when in reality you never stick to one target

[chilly brook]

I’ll agree keg smash not killing orbs is stupid

[lusty grotto]

so obviously fury will sim higher, on a single target sim

then you have bosses with adds, and arms just destroys fury

sweeping + execute = goodbye everyone

[chilly brook]

burst adds

Not just adds

[dire wyvern]

burst, adds and cleave arms flies ahead

and buffed execute potential phases

which is all of uldir

[chilly brook]

Isn’t fury better on sustained cleave and adds tho

[dire wyvern]

sustained cleave

but you are never doing that in uldir

unless you're padding on zul

[chilly brook]

Nah didn’t say we were

Just making the distinction

[dire wyvern]

yeh

fury will be better in BoD i suspect

[chilly brook]

That just reminds me of old school WW 😑

[dire wyvern]

not had a look at much tho

[chilly brook]

“Nah we’re leaving you bottom middle of the pack because Storm Earth and Fire makes you insane for cleave and council fights”

Meanwhile there’s barely any fights like that

Damnit dude

The more I think about it the more I wanna start going hard on my monk

[ruby sapphire]

Ew WW talk in glorious prot warrior channel 🤢

[lusty grotto]

monkchip is perma retired

unless mage tower comes back

[sand egret]

I was memeing around on my BrM leveling and here my ass looking at my ISB charges like Gollum when I should be popping them shits like Pez. Damn you SB!

fun times. Also, overall this week ended up being equally as easy for me as last week for pushing on my War (annd back on topic)

[primal crypt]

Yeah, this week is super easy on the warrior

Grievous is a joke now

[astral crystal]

grievous is pretty bad still

sniping it early is the only way to deal with it

if people get 5 stacks it's painful

[tulip matrix]

@primal crypt whys that

[primal crypt]

I mean...i haven't had any issues since the nerf

ALTHOUGH

the hps on meters have been insane

[astral crystal]

not a matter of you personally, it's a healer affix

[chilly brook]

Bro

[primal crypt]

My shaman buddy was doing 35k at one point

So maybe he's not complaining lol

Lul

[chilly brook]

I was in a raid the other night with one priest doing 27k hps the whole fight

Shaman’s honestly are underrated imo

They’re basically the Prot warriors of healers

[primal crypt]

I mean....dude wasn't telling me to stop

So I just kept mass pulling

[chilly brook]

They’re either god awful or they’re some freaks of nature

[primal crypt]

^

[chilly brook]

There’s no in between with them

[dire wyvern]

healers are extremely balanced atm

less so for m+

[chilly brook]

Well so are tanks to be fair

[dire wyvern]

but in raid you take whoever plays best

[chilly brook]

But people like to gloss over that

[dire wyvern]

tanks arent as balanced as healers

[chilly brook]

In terms of intake and viability? They are

At least for raid

M+ it’s obviously going to fall on the utility

[dire wyvern]

viability is an irrelevant term

[chilly brook]

It’s not irrelevant

[dire wyvern]

unless you're in a top 50 guild

or doing 20 keys

[chilly brook]

If you’re in a top 50 guild or doing 20 keys you’re using the most optimal classes for each and taking as much utility as possible

[dire wyvern]

exactly my point

[chilly brook]

That doesn’t make it an irrelevant term though

[dire wyvern]

ok, its irrelevant for what we were talking about

[chilly brook]

Outside of blood DK all the tanks have their merits

[dire wyvern]

and in most situations

[chilly brook]

But I guess blizz can’t bring it upon themselves to either knock them down a peg or bring all the other tanks up a peg or two utility wise

[uneven mason]

"viability" is a word that is frequently not used properly.

[daring marlin]

Shamans are probably one of the worst healers for grievous.

depending on the dungeon/fight

[oblique garnet]

if warriors had grip they would be too op for m+ change my mind

[daring marlin]

Their mastery is retarded

That's not to say good shamans can't do well, I'd just prefer to have a MW/HPriest this week.

[oblique garnet]

Nah fuck priests

[daring marlin]

woah bro

woah!

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason English is hard 😜

[oblique garnet]

That one priest i had last night ruined them for me this week

[daring marlin]

lol

[oblique garnet]

Cmon like pulling 10k hps on atal ??

WITH GRIEVIOUS??

[daring marlin]

I remember you ranting about 'em.

[oblique garnet]

AT 385??

[daring marlin]

they must've just been watching a movie

[oblique garnet]

nah he was actually just boosted

checked his logs

dem 7% healing parses

[daring marlin]

the hell lol

[oblique garnet]

yeah he was 4/8 mythic aswell like wth

Either he is sleeping with the rl or has like fucktons of extra gold

[daring marlin]

reminds me of wrath

GM's GF was a hpal

she got valanyr

she was bad

[oblique garnet]

XD

[daring marlin]

had valanyr

still spammed fol

? ? ?

fol was to apply the HoT with sacred shield and that's it

reeeeeeeeeeeee

[chilly brook]

I mean FoL was your main heal back in Wrath iirc

And mana was never an issue back then

[stark sage]

holy light was your main hell

heal*

you had enough haste and mp5 to sustain it like fol

[primal crypt]

Priests lul

LUL

[daring marlin]

HL was your main heal

lol

glyph of holy light

was broken

SO YOU RECALL INCORRECTLY FRIEND

[primal crypt]

GLYPHS LUL

[autumn pendant]

Talkijg about hpala... From wotlk... In prot channel

Wow

[primal crypt]

PROT LUL

[daring marlin]

me warrior

me smol brain

me no understand context of conversation

[primal crypt]

GUILFORD LUL

I just got 60 mcnuggies for $10

[daring marlin]

fat

LUL

[primal crypt]

How am I supposed to eat all this

[chilly brook]

Huh I guess I healed wrong all of wrath lmao

Then again I was a nub

[primal crypt]

@chilly brook you a wrath bby?

[fading gate]

WotLK also came out 10 years ago, let it go lmao

[chilly brook]

Nah I was a BC baby

Just actually started playing the game as my main game in Wrath

[daring marlin]

the dude was obviously memeing

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[primal crypt]

We don't meme in here

[tropic star]

was reading backlog and saw a couple people say that they think prot war is porderline OP in 8.1. Nothing new changed besides IP off global, Shieldblock reduction, and hp bump right? M+ utility hasnt changed?

[primal crypt]

Everyone needs to serious up

[chilly brook]

@tropic star I doubt we’ll be borderline OP but keep in mind we’ll likely be one of the strongest tanks in terms of scaling especially with the Vanguard buffs we’ve received and with block working the way it does

[primal crypt]

@tropic star prot is strong now, 8.1 prot will be stronger

[dire wyvern]

think borderline OP was hyperbole

they will be good tho

[primal crypt]

We can block rocks

That's borderline op

[cinder nova]

Lol

[primal crypt]

Oh and arrows

[cinder nova]

Everyone can block rocks

Shamans can block rocks

[dire wyvern]

mages can block rocks especially

[chilly brook]

I think come the third raid we’ll be one of the most desirable tanks

Unless we get an early nerf bat

[primal crypt]

Lol

Prot will never be heavily sought after

[chilly brook]

But don’t take my word for it I probably jinxed it

[primal crypt]

Sadly

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t say that Yam

We’re only going to exponentially scale

[primal crypt]

Blizz literally hates us

Ws still have

[daring marlin]

12 sec cd on SB with my current haste is fun

OFF TO WORK BOYS

[primal crypt]

Latez

[chilly brook]

We’re either gonna get nerfed or we’re gonna be resident sleeper

[primal crypt]

When do we get the hookshot skill

Gripping adds would be cool

[sand egret]

after you beat the Water Temple

you dingus

[sweet kettle]

I don't know why everyone needs a grip when we have the reverse grip (int shout)

[fading gate]

Because fear makes other mobs come say hello lmao

[sweet kettle]

Chain pulls are the best

[fading gate]

On grievous week, oooof

Though bolstering is the real problem with chain pulling lol

[sweet kettle]

On necrotic week shout leap out and scream to the rest of the group it's your problem now

[fading gate]

That’s for sanguine week hahaha

Enjoy the death puddles, AWAYYYY

[sweet kettle]

Sanguine is Shockwave memes

Oh oops I stunned them in sanguine oh oops

[tropic star]

the changes sound like they will only really make us be able to face tank longer, which will up dmg. but still no range interrupt, reposition, CC, or major slow built in so kiting still requires a frost mage or hunter or something.high keys we will still be playing the same with LOS and kitting.

[shut summit]

Haven't had to kite in 18-19s yet, doubt will in 20-21s either

[dire wyvern]

more face tank potential and more dps is very good tho

[tropic star]

i have had to run from fortified spellcasters on 13s. Can only reflect so much

but i dont always have a premade

[dire wyvern]

well then your group isnt interrupting

[sweet kettle]

Only noob tanks kite

[dire wyvern]

you can say exactly the same for BrM etc

if you are getting blasted by casts the same thing will happen with every tank

[sweet kettle]

Get a balance druid the best thing you can do as a tank

Trees + beam

[stark sage]

TRENTS

my dudes

[chilly brook]

Trents are dope

[fading gate]

did you say only noob tanks kite......

[chilly brook]

Ngl

[fading gate]

,>

[sweet kettle]

Sorry trents

I call them better tanks

[chilly brook]

@sweet kettle a lot of good tanks kite, there’s no reason not to if your healer is either having issues or you see you can give them some extra breathing room

[digital arrow]

lmao talk of the water temple

u get hookshot from dampe and longshot from inside water temple you dingus! @sand egret

😂

[dull granite]

is mastery or vers better for DPS?

hovering over tooltips it seems mastery increases tclap damage more, just wondering if the % damage increase from vers is calculated into tooltips

[chilly brook]

Mastery most likely

[dull granite]

bruh most likely aint good enough

[chilly brook]

It’s a flap AP buff

[sweet kettle]

Everything is calculated

[dull granite]

kk thx

[daring marlin]

72 mastery per 1% AP point to 85 vers per 1% damage boost

they’re both good for bonus damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

But muh crit block 😜

[sick sentinel]

what would the prio be for survival in 8.1 ?

[chilly brook]

Same as now

We’re not fundamentally changing

[sick sentinel]

haste mastery then ?

[chilly brook]

Haste>vers>mastery>crit

[junior igloo]

@dull granite
I looked at it earlier today when I saw you asking and it's very close

[tropic star]

think with SB lowered CD and haste values increaseing that Bolster will ever get swapped? The other two options on that row are really dull

[sick sentinel]

I hate vers 😦

[chilly brook]

I doubt we’ll replace bolster anytime soon

Keep in mind we’re going to be losing haste come next raid tier

As we won’t have reorigination array

[fierce juniper]

@tropic star Maybe towards end of xpac on certain fights if Sblock uptime is really high and the lower LS cooldown isn't useful we'll swap to Indom.

But I don't really see that happening because the lower LS CD will pretty much always be useful.

[chilly brook]

Granted we could be up to or slightly past our current rating by the end of the next tier if you’re fully decked in Mythic

And yea lowered LS is always useful

[junior igloo]

Not with current design/numbers and secondary scaling

[chilly brook]

Then RIP your haste 😜

[soft kindle]

@chilly brook just take Heavy Repercussions on Fetid 5Head

[junior igloo]

My comment was to replacing Bolster

[chilly brook]

@soft kindle staaahhhhhpppppp

Let’s not get Sal in here

[final mist]

🤔

[chilly brook]

Oh boi

Hi Sal

[digital arrow]

🍿

1+1 = 1 who care

[chilly brook]

Lol

[final mist]

You can't get me in here, because I'm always here. Watching. Waiting. Observing.

[chilly brook]

Oof

Lemme neck myself rq

[outer dew]

Were you there on our food day?

[soft kindle]

@final mist ur super cute ❤

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

[final mist]

Thnx

[fierce juniper]

@final mist ur cute

[sand egret]

Uh, they're known as the "Tree Amigos", actually

psh "Trents"

[final mist]

@fierce juniper 😘

[old night]

what up dudes

[chilly brook]

Hello

[sand egret]

@digital arrow well sorrry! I still get ptsd from that stupid temple

[digital arrow]

same here 😠

[sand egret]

i fell down after lowering the water level all the way

for the life of me couldnt figure out how to reset the place

[chilly brook]

Wait what?

[sand egret]

ragequit that shit for a few weeks before I caved and bought a guide

[digital arrow]

the switches are scattered on different floors its annoying

[sand egret]

also "bought a guide"

now I feel old

[chilly brook]

What are you talking about?

[digital arrow]

ocarinerrrr of time

[chilly brook]

Oh

[digital arrow]

oh sorry off topic

[chilly brook]

Figured you were all talking about Zelda I was just thinking it was botw

[sand egret]

aka the Rage Temple but yeah, whoopsie

[digital arrow]

hookshot would be a nice warrior ability though

[chilly brook]

The game that I actually returned

🙃

[digital arrow]

except instead of zipping u toward enemies, u bring them toward u

i've no response to that griff

moving right along

[sand egret]

yup

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sand egret]

nothing to see here

let's bury that comment with.....

[chilly brook]

WTB raging banner

[digital arrow]

dont do it!

[sand egret]

Is prot vviable?

[digital arrow]

aw great, here come the trolls

[candid path]

WHAT DOES VIABLE MEAN?

[sand egret]

oh I wouldn't do that

[chilly brook]

Throw banner down and force enemies to run into melee range to beat it down

[candid path]

Maybe the banner could be shaped like a statue. A Black Ox Statue.

[sand egret]

that ability is funnnnn

[chilly brook]

Except black ox statue doesn’t force people into melee

¯_(ツ)_/¯

And didn’t prot have banners before monk existed?

[candid path]

Sort of a grasp-type ability. Name it after Gorefiend.

[sand egret]

the real op is that taunt speed boost

[candid path]

Of course they did!

[sand egret]

shit is cray cray

[candid path]

Banners were a Cata feature.

[chilly brook]

My memory is spotty

Cata the expansion I quit lol

[sand egret]

annnd it's buried....my job here is done....

[chilly brook]

😉

[soft kindle]

Wait you guys get the stupid viable questions too?

🤗

[daring marlin]

@soft kindle yes

both fury and prot are horrible, dontchaknow!?

[outer dew]

Smh

Finna reroll to DH so I can get a spot for m+

At least they have viable specs

!

[soft kindle]

prot>dh in 8.1

calling it officially

[sand egret]

watch prot be like gangsta as fuck for Reaping

[fickle geyser]

if its all melee skeletons spawning it might be

[outer dew]

Can we get a pin on this

:^)

[lusty grotto]

hey guys did i miss meme hour?

fuck, i did

hey @shut summit whats your stream schedule?

i think i've watched you 2 or 3 times but not sure what days you stream, i should turn on notifications

[sand egret]

Sense doesn't follow basic temporal restrictions. Our reality simply reshapes itself to present enough exposure to him for us mortals to handle in a given sitting.

jeez

[lusty grotto]

you're right

[modern brook]

Or yeah just set up notifications

thats what i do

[sand egret]

yeah you could probably just do that

[lusty grotto]

thanks guys #protection is an amazing channel full of great answers 👍

lol

[sand egret]

im watching boost' stream and there are farrr too many pandas in here

[shut summit]

@lusty grotto none, just whenever

[lusty grotto]

ok

[sand egret]

see: reality-warping theory

[lusty grotto]

yes, once in a blue moon you might catch a glimpse into Sense's trail

what's boost's stream anyway

does it have a dub?

[sand egret]

naw

[lusty grotto]

how am i supposed to make fun of the awful dubbing

[sand egret]

it's got like 2x the amount of pandas that i'd like

[lusty grotto]

does it have BTS on 24/7?

[sand egret]

and that FONT?!

[lusty grotto]

fake loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[sand egret]

that UI font that's been around for ages

[lusty grotto]

fake loveeeeeeeeeee

[sand egret]

it's my Papyrus

[lusty grotto]

he probably has MSBT

that's the default font

if that still exists

[sand egret]

naw this is diff

[lusty grotto]

Parrot

[outer dew]

Can I get a link to boost's stream?

Ty bby

[sand egret]

👍

[lusty grotto]

cause msbt hasn't been updated since WoD LOL

hey wheres my PM

wait i'm blind

is that... is that a gengar?

[sand egret]

😑

this does explain your horrible mog taste...

[lusty grotto]

do u like the pokemanz

[sand egret]

only 150 of them

[lusty grotto]

listen, i just realized there's a santa hat on the Skyhold sword

[sand egret]

we gotta put you in a home

[outer dew]

Bruh

That's been there for months

Smh

[lusty grotto]

since oct right

obviously

the start of xmas everywhere

[outer dew]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

damn it

[sand egret]

womp

[digital arrow]

lol

[lusty grotto]

this is a 13, and he has heals. I've been lied to.

[sand egret]

lol well no one said he was not doing that 😃

[lusty grotto]

don't give me that whole no explosive orb explanation okay

[uneven mason]

I

Don't trust anyone anymore

ever since

Sense went BDK for MDI

I am broken

[lusty grotto]

the only things i dont like about Boost is that there's no BTS, and he's a male BE ugh

why sense why

[daring marlin]

male be es numero uno

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494653856064733194/509484690433114114/unknown.png

You were there Nim

You know that horror

[lusty grotto]

i chose to forget

this stream needs more BTS

i'm not being racist i swear

it's just a really good band that very few people have listened to, who happen to be korean

uhhh they shrouded through those?

you were right blade

way too many pandas

male pandas too goddamn

[sand egret]

yeeep

[digital arrow]

lmao that pic

[astral crystal]

msbt works for bfa

there's fan forks

msbt is still kangz

there's a nice one justwait uses

nameplate sct i think

but it doesnt show incoming healing

[fierce juniper]

yeah nameplate sct is really nice

[fickle geyser]

link boost stream plz

[lusty grotto]

oh i see

dont say that, blade will send dick pics

[daring marlin]

@fickle geyser https://www.twitch.tv/pakusyo

[lusty grotto]

party pooper

WTF

that panda has a great transmog, i will take notes

[daring marlin]

sup bruh

we should do keys

later

[lusty grotto]

with me hpal? 😊

[daring marlin]

sure

why not

That was the idea

KID

[lusty grotto]

😦

😢

💔

let me save this armory profile for future reference

https://worldofwarcraft.com/ko-kr/character/azshara/김태영

i'm the only one allowed to copy okay guys?

and when i say copy, i mean being #1 NA dora the explorer orc

[hushed creek]

Griev week is like satan pops out of hell just to get me. No1 wants to play with my as prot and I refuse to reroll. Prot war for life !

[sand egret]

my hot take

[oblique garnet]

Grievious aint that bad when you arent falling below 90% because its not fortified

[sand egret]

griev was super easy for me as prot

[oblique garnet]

Except on kr and shrine

fuck those places

[daring marlin]

I love KR.

It’s so easy now, too.

[oblique garnet]

But wait it gets easier

When we can actually block those ranged attacks

[soft kindle]

Shrine 👏 is 👏 a 👏 nightmare

[daring marlin]

Being able to block that one bitch after first boss

gonna be gr8

[oblique garnet]

missed the timer on +13 shrine with 50s

[sand egret]

I feel like i'm the only one who doesn't mind shrine

[oblique garnet]

again

[sand egret]

snek temple sucks

[daring marlin]

shrine is whatever

[sand egret]

but shrine I dont mind

[daring marlin]

especially

if you skip the bridge

[soft kindle]

UR and ToS are worse aye

[daring marlin]

the rest is w/e

[soft kindle]

but I just dilike shrine myself

[sand egret]

UR first part sucks

[daring marlin]

fuck crawg boss this week

you’re literally

[oblique garnet]

why?

[daring marlin]

at the mercy of whether your healer is good or not

[sand egret]

the 2nd boss's ROOM is just....so much trash haha

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but its good for %

Since the trash is ezpz

[daring marlin]

with grievous

[sand egret]

i hate that trash

[lusty grotto]

i hate siege last boss as an hpal

😦

why cant we all be together, why must i use rule of law on cd

[daring marlin]

because

mongs

[lusty grotto]

well i dont know about you guys but

[daring marlin]

:^)

[lusty grotto]

we usually have 1 person on the gripper

and the other 2 on the dick pounder

pounder dies, they swap

and then there's fucking LoS because of the cannon in the middle

"hey let me move over here because the kraken is spitting.... oops, im LoSing people now and can't heal/dispel"

[sand egret]

self-dispel that dot with fireblood

or stoneform

[lusty grotto]

listen you

[sand egret]

like who has time for debuffs

[lusty grotto]

i dont dispel tanks

[sand egret]

bonus points if you can boost your healer to narnia

[lusty grotto]

only dispel dps... and only dps that move out

[sand egret]

oh i jump on a DPS and dispell myself

[lusty grotto]

good lord

[sand egret]

trying to go for the distance record

[lusty grotto]

you're a regular hitler

[sand egret]

fucking DH's always get back on the damn ship tho

[proven ledge]

What pots/potions are protection warriors supposed to use?

[sand egret]

now DKs

muahahhaa

[soft kindle]

group was boosting an alt in a Siege last week, trying to murder him, accidentally killed someone else

good shit

[lusty grotto]

@proven ledge Icy veins guide mate

it's all there

[sand egret]

or if you're poor....none!

😃

[soft kindle]

I run str for everything because cba buying more bursting pots

[sand egret]

(but yes check the guides, they have a consumables section)

[proven ledge]

sigh helpful

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[sand egret]

better than typing the same thing 12x a day 😃

[lusty grotto]

people wrote that so you don't have to come in here to ask questions

which is why exist

[soft kindle]

puts together a guide that'd essentially a compendium of information
"Sigh, if only people were helpful"

[lusty grotto]

that passive aggressiveness though

[proven ledge]

was unaware Undertow/battle strength took longer to say

[lusty grotto]

while you're there, you can look up whatever else you might have questions about

[steel mauve]

to be honest if you always got your answers you would never learn to look any thing up yourself

[lusty grotto]

and we can go back to how are warriors in 8.1

[steel mauve]

the whole point is to read the guides and notes pinned, THEN ask any questions that arent answered there

[lusty grotto]

yeah good point iron

[soft kindle]

or for clarification

[proven ledge]

sorry #10 says Gems, Enchants, an...

[sand egret]

"3.1. Flasks
Use Flask of the Undertow Icon Flask of the Undertow as your flask.

3.2. Potions
Use Battle Potion of Strength Icon Battle Potion of Strength as your "pre-pot" and combat potion."

really not hard to go read it

[soft kindle]

He's saying the new UI from like, what, a few days ago

[proven ledge]

Yeah already there

[soft kindle]

doesn't openly mention consumables

[proven ledge]

Thanks though blade not passive aggressive

[soft kindle]

because their new UI on icyveins is shit haha

[sand egret]

yeah, missing a crucial word haha

[soft kindle]

So to be fair to both, the new UI is shit, but you could also still

well

read the guide

So half point to both

[lusty grotto]

wait there's a new UI?

oh its just the menu thing

[steel mauve]

ya, its weird, like instead of just scrolled down a list of links, its like tabs at the top of the page

[sand egret]

they trying to be slick

[proven ledge]

Yeah, it's more pretty but less practical

[sand egret]

slick UI but needs a UX person in there haha

[lusty grotto]

i mean it's probably because retarded people didn't see the whole list on the right

[sand egret]

also, mobile

[sick sentinel]

hey so guys, how are warriors atm? are they viable?

4head

[lusty grotto]

how many people have come in here asking some shit "BUT I LOOKED IN THE GUIDE"

[sand egret]

but how many of those actually did?

we quite often find out that number is far lower

[lusty grotto]

well we may never know that

[sick sentinel]

people that actually go through the guides is lower than people doing Island Expeditions for fun

now think

[sand egret]

if you cant navigate icy viens you may have a hard time with prot

jus' sayin'

[lusty grotto]

but the fact it is now plastered right in the middle, they just need to make squares a bit longer so that the entire thing fits

[steel mauve]

ive seen some actually look in the guide, pin point an exact section, and asked a question and asked if they mjust missed the information, so some actual have looked at the guide and just couldnt find it

[proven ledge]

Legit asked a simple question for the sake of which weak auras Im putting on my prot UI

[lusty grotto]

yeah iron

[proven ledge]

I'd like to think I have a nice setup

[lusty grotto]

i use Khakhan's

[steel mauve]

i make my own weakauras

[proven ledge]

Yeah same

[lusty grotto]

but there's a lot of different answers here

[daring marlin]

hey guys

how are the buffs in 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

wew

thanks guilford, we're back!

[soft kindle]

well depending on who you ask, fucking awesome or absolute trash gg blizz reeee

So you decide 👍

[lusty grotto]

woosh

or... woosh me? 🤔

[daring marlin]

but can we finally do m+ and raids in 8.1?

its ridiculous that we have to wait!!!!!!!

[soft kindle]

I know it was a meme

but there's always kids in the back row

lurking and reading

[daring marlin]

but meff will we ever be...

....viable!?

[lusty grotto]

BDK BDK.... summons Levko

[daring marlin]

LOL

turn off the lights, light some candles and say BDK three times in a mirror

Levko will appear

[lusty grotto]

can we go back to pre BFA when it was: Guise i hate IP on the GCD

DAE hate IP on GCD?

wait i'm missing someone

it's not just Levko that it summons

oh btw, for those that don't know... like me apparently... you can make an account on Wago, mark a WA as favorite and if you connect your discord account, wago PMs you when its updated

[daring marlin]

neat

[lusty grotto]

which is very useful

[daring marlin]

til

[uneven mason]

So, who let Methuselah out of #fury

[lusty grotto]

dang

[daring marlin]

oh man

[astral crystal]

when is marok deleting this channel

[lusty grotto]

Soon (TM)

[fierce juniper]

one day

[uneven mason]

One day Protection will become the meta

and we'll delete this channel because it will be filled with FOTM preteens

who had to quit their edgelord DH and BDKs

[modern brook]

Oh god

👢 🍵 👏 would have its own emoji

[sand egret]

😢 one day....one day

if I can get that into a single emoji, I'll be a proud father

[daring marlin]

Blade

You, nim and I should totally do some keys

It’ll be a good meme

[little rain]

We're already good in M+, we just have to work harder to prove it to people XD

[daring marlin]

trav stop

don’t break the conditioning

[lusty grotto]

lol

[daring marlin]

STOP NOOOOOOOOOO

[little rain]

It's ok, nobody from blizz works here, we can tell the truth they won't redact the buffs 😛

[lusty grotto]

👀

[daring marlin]

BDK BDK BDK

ducks

[lusty grotto]

don't summon the blizzard devs!

"we like arthas too much, sry guise"

[daring marlin]

not enough I say

frost dks dualwielding

spits

[lavish oracle]

I'm pretty sure if you say the words "Prot warriors are in a pretty good spot right now" Ionn gets a notification on his phone reminding him to nerf us again

[lusty grotto]

shhh theyll give titan's grip to frost dks

[sand egret]

ahem

[lusty grotto]

is it time for Chef Nimchip's selfie?

[vocal nimbus]

no

[lusty grotto]

is that a yes?

i think that's a yes

[sand egret]

haha oh Blizz has read this discord haha

[little rain]

We can always go to Vanilla servers, back in the good ol' days before there even were death knights

[lusty grotto]

remember ye olde DC talk

[daring marlin]

I saw a dude on mmoc say prot paladins dethroned warriors in every expac including bc

muh

fucking

sides

[lusty grotto]

Ion Hazzikarakostasesocoast got 23,744,213 notifications during that time

that's a fact, and an exact number

[sand egret]

well I showed my buddy this channel over drinks during the holiday he had a good laugh

[lusty grotto]

i know because of... reasons

[sand egret]

either way, let's say I'm not gonna finish leveling my BrM alt

[lusty grotto]

"y'all need to nerf the fuck outta DC meng"

pretty soon it'll be: "are we ready to deploy the ban hammer on Unstoppable Force?"

"that'll bring warriors down to adequate tank dps levels"

"hey guys i think Tclap shouldn't slow, they have too much mobility - also increase Death and Decay slow to 140%"

[daring marlin]

buff bdk

I had a warlock buddy that would say buff locks in general during bc all the time

the t r i g g e r i n g

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[daring marlin]

it was an epic meme

[stark sage]

the rogue in my guild always tells me that blizz should nerf warriors and buff assassin

[lusty grotto]

what about that mangle on feral/bear hitting like a goddamn T-90

[daring marlin]

hellyeahbrother

we’re op with all that plate

[lusty grotto]

me druid was so happy during that

[daring marlin]

he just has those raggedy animal hides

wtf blizz buff pls

[lusty grotto]

lol

i mean

fucking everyone says nerf execute nowadays

[daring marlin]

I’ve always hated execute

[lusty grotto]

Oh i'm sorry you, i couldn't hear you while passing 10 of you in dps

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