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#protection
shut summit
tulip matrix
Sense when do you usually stream? I just followed like yesterday.
cinder nova
Reduce ShB CD or buff our out-of-AM survival.
cinder nova
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe
Although, I sometimes wonder if the raid devs have a sticky note reminding them to make stuff blockable so prot warriors can raid
sick sentinel
Just make Impending Victory talent baseline for prot
And delete death strike from dks
Like I honestly can't think of when I have ever used Impending Victory for a legitimate reason in any scenario when I was in tank spec
oblique garnet
I had a holy priest so bad that it made me want to switch to iv mid dungeon
sick sentinel
Lmao
oblique garnet
Like legit horrible
Couldnt get atal +11 on time because this 1.2k rio btw couldnt heal more than 10k hps
sick sentinel
What a funny story
Well this week is hold ur healers hand week
I some how beat ML+13 on time this weekbut I can't beat TD +12/+13
oblique garnet
I made a macro that yelled top me please but nah he still wouldnt so i was constantly at like 40% hp
sick sentinel
This is why I use tank trinkets in m+
You don't stop dealing damage as a tank, but you can stop urself from dying for a few seconds so ur goldfish of a healer can see ur health and heal u
sick sentinel
Because it don't matter if it's a pug or premade, they will not be focused on u 100% of the time
oblique garnet
Premade groups are fine because i know they can actually heal
sick sentinel
I would like parry if I had it at a higher %
But even then
Unless I can get over 40%, parry might as well be in the trash can for all I care
And that's hoping I have it at 40% with buffs and it parries when I need it
oblique garnet
Ye i was considering if i could switch my ra for crit on zul
candid path
8.1 changes are enough to probably make the class competitive, which at this point isn't enough
daring marlin
Nothing they can do will be enough for the majority of the people in this discord.
candid path
you can't suck butt for months/years, then get brought up to equal with the bottom-tier and then that is enough to get people to switch back
sick sentinel
We are
I wont stop saying we aren't the best until they delete death strike from dks
sick sentinel
Death strike
daring marlin
you're memeing right?
candid path
The damage output is great, the cooldowns are great. For survival of burst damage and healer attention requirements, i.e., the two things that matter most in progression raiding, Warriors are dead last.
sick sentinel
no
candid path
brez and consumption.
sick sentinel
we talking raiding or m+?
candid path
clearly you are talking about something different from the rest of the people in the conversation
ancient reef
who do you think is the pug lfg mythic tank
oblique garnet
Warriors deadlast on progression raiding?🤔
sick sentinel
We haven't beat ghuun
daring marlin
It's almost like community perception plays a part in that. Better tell all the Warriors doing 8/8 to stop it.
sick sentinel
at all
candid path
it's a blood feud with bears, but yeah, basically
oblique garnet
How high are you rn?
candid path
Hey, there's a 1:1000 Warrior:Monk ratio on G'huun, clearly Warriors are as good as they possibly need to be!
1 is all it takes to be good enough!
oblique garnet
No kidding monks are nr1 shocker
sick sentinel
I think thats his point
oblique garnet
Monks compared to anything but dk are 1:1000
daring marlin
What does class representation mean to you?
Why does it matter? People like Sense and Boost and others prove they can be played there.
Played well it doesn't matter what tank you play.
OBVIOUSLY.
The class envy is sad.
neon tangle
Depends on what you want
daring marlin
We're not that far behind the other tanks other than DK and that's because of utility they have.
neon tangle
Some people like to be competitive
open bluff
warriors are competitive
neon tangle
I mean, sense played BDK in MDI
daring marlin
How about any of the other Warriors doing the shit you aren't?
neon tangle
So point made I guess
daring marlin
If you're not good don't blame it on the class.
candid path
What am I not doing?
daring marlin
Them buffing the class won't make you amazing.
open bluff
i mean, i've been told by even pug healers that they were wrong about assuming prot sucks
merry bane
I like that logic. Buffing the class wont make you amazing
open bluff
and guild healers prefer my warrior to my other tanks as well (and i'm definitely not a 🐒 on other tanks)
oblique garnet
If you still suck at the class no matter how buffed it gets you will still suck at it
merry bane
pretty much @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Except on a monk
open bluff
oblique garnet
we had a split run
crude ether
it's alot harder to play a monk or a dk
merry bane
I am far from good but thanks to these guys here I have gotten alot better
crude ether
no I said that wrong
oblique garnet
Midway through fetid i realized i had fucking ww weapons on
crude ether
it's alot harder to play a monk or dk poorly
oblique garnet
Still killed the boss
daring marlin
@merry bane Take waht some of these guys say with a grain of salt.
crude ether
so prot is generally shit to the average player
daring marlin
They'll tell you the kings' rest trinket and mythrax trinkets are dogshit
neon tangle
Just to be clear, I don’t doubt that warriors are capable of being played well, but if I only cared about spots on a leaderboard or whatever I’d prolly play BDK
oblique garnet
Mythrax trinket is good on higher ilvls
neon tangle
Or monk for raids
merry bane
@daring marlin no they dont say that. I meant like using keybinds, managing SW and LS as regular cds instead of oh shit buttons and better rotation. and they didnt say they were garbage, just better options
neon tangle
My skill and classes “goodness” aren’t really related
daring marlin
merry bane
@daring marlin ITs mostly playstyle for trinkets lol. I use Blockades and Syringe currently. but I have a vial as back up
daring marlin
took 2 seconds to find someone saying bandages is bad
the trinket is fine
I play around with trinkets constantly.
crude ether
if you have to use those trinkets your healers are probably just bad
or you don't call for externals
daring marlin
I look forward to when I can play around with a high ilvl bandages and mythrax trinket
open bluff
warrior now is basically what mop monk was: easy to fuck up but very rewarding if you have the brain power to pull it off
daring marlin
lol @crude ether I'll just see what the top prot warrior in M+ is doing instead of what you think we should be doing
merry bane
Syringe is amazing, never got my rezans eye though
crude ether
Guilford are you even top 100 world prot for m+
daring marlin
one sec boys sitting for that phat vengeance
oblique garnet
Yes
shut summit
18 freehold i only dropped below 40% three times, def woulda been wasted
just depends on situation
merry bane
OH WOW hey sense
daring marlin
My only contention is it's not a shit trinket like people say
oblique garnet
Freehold is 👌🏻 everything doing physical dmg you can go ham on every pull
crude ether
I'm very experienced in m+ and don't need advice
daring marlin
at all
merry bane
@shut summit then what would you say the best overall trinkets are for M+ and then for raiding
since most are situational
astral crystal
demilovato plays a prot warrior?!
crude ether
yes
sick sentinel
Apparently so
astral crystal
nice to meet you i bust nuts on the daily to your work
daring marlin
damn dude nice I looked you up after you said that shit
3/8M and you got higher during the easiest week ever
best keys were like
11s barely before it
fuck yeah bro
daring marlin
yeah but you don't run around like a mong talking shit like this dude just did
LOL
WHEN HE DID IT DURING THE EASIEST WEEK EVER
sick sentinel
I think literally all of us who post here are probably top 100
daring marlin
I'm very impressed
crude ether
You're just salty because i'm top 10 NA pipe down child
daring marlin
tofu you're adorable
merry bane
not me, I am above 100 for my server but not for region lol
crude ether
also I'm on a CE team now Guilford
merry bane
my highest mythic is 9 atm
candid path
a group of 5 individuals
sick sentinel
@merry bane if you beat every dungeon above +10 on time, youll prob be the number 1 prot warrior on ur server or close to it and be in the top 100
daring marlin
Why is this guy actually talking trash? his highest key before the tyran/volc/raging week was an 11
I want to die
merry bane
@sick sentinel lol I can barely get groups to do +7 without failing. some of it is on my part but soem is on healers and peoplenot avoiding stuff
outer dew
¯_(ツ)_/¯
candid path
12's, for example
astral crystal
homies fighting homies.... this is how they win, guys
candid path
12 / 10 = 1.2 = 20% more
daring marlin
atticus you're a wholesome dude
oblique garnet
I think you need 13+ on everything for above 1350
candid path
the thing we can all agree on is that it's competitive and very important
crude ether
oh yeah NA would likely be close to all 10s in times
merry bane
@sick sentinel ill use an example. tried a plus 9 atal. stated everything I was doing before hand and the route I was taking. wasted 5 minutes on volkaal because the dps didnt dps their totems right
sick sentinel
@merry bane the +7-9 range is a wild ride when it comes to getting groups, so just get better gear because once ur at +10 its a whole different story
merry bane
@sick sentinel I have as good of gear as I can get unless it forges
sick sentinel
then u gotta pray to that rng jesus then
merry bane
merry bane
why?
sick sentinel
Because I want it
merry bane
oh LOL
candid path
First off, fuck your bitch and the clique you claim.
sick sentinel
I have 2 385s and the last 2 times we've had Empire/Voldun with caches they didnt drop DC for either
merry bane
I had to switch them from my dps set but it works
but you can see my gear and how its set up
merry bane
why I mentioned my rotation and managing cds
sick sentinel
from mother
merry bane
thats what I gotta work on
daring marlin
Biggest thing you gotta think about is utilizing AM.
merry bane
true
merry bane
What do you guys think of the Gore Crusted Block trinket
daring marlin
It's definitely nice at high ilvls for consistent damage
merry bane
was thinking about getting it for anm extra trink
ancient reef
What do yall think of that new aze trait bastion of might in 8.1
Also that new shout slow one
merry bane
whats it do? I havent seen it yet
soft kindle
Not sure about Bastion, I know the intimidating trait looks legit
at least for dps 😛
ancient reef
Bastion is avator grants 235 masteru for 20s and gramts a charge if irgnore pain
merry bane
like 900 mastery almost up all the timew
lusty grotto
any bored warries wanna do a 5 AD to help out my hpal?
not blade cause he's alliance scum
sand egret
rood
sand egret
i've got a bear hordeside ya know =/
daring marlin
BUTAK
sand egret
Jenkins
daring marlin
@sand egret Once I get some 2Hs I'm gonna yell at you to tank for me on horde side.
😄
sand egret
OO
lusty grotto
are you high
go back to cooking tofus
eh group left
stupid bears
oh
you're right
i guess i'm not used to depleting keys
i thought you could replace leavers
pretty sure you could in legion
lusty grotto
i did but i'm always with guild groups so i don't know about pugging
merry bane
I wish I had a guild group that could do on the reg mythic pluses
lusty grotto
you mean in legion right?
daring marlin
yes
lusty grotto
nope
lusty grotto
haha
yeah i remember
fucking stupid getting groups on alts even with high io (on main)
90% of my guild quit so i'm fucked
daring marlin
sux
I saw what you meant
been pugging 5-6s on my new warrior
what a trip
who would've thought ELO hell existed on WoW
:^)
lusty grotto
i mean, i just depleted a 5
merry bane
So are plus 10's better than lowers?
daring marlin
we wiped on the first boss cuz slimes
depends on if you get people that have done 10s or not
merry bane
never did a plus 10 so idk
daring marlin
It's still a crap shoot
lusty grotto
ugh i can't imagine infected with pugs
daring marlin
well
when I play Fury I just global the ghuunies
and when I'm prot I just save SW for them and they usually die real quick
daring marlin
same
lusty grotto
no unworthy spec will be on my char ever
lusty grotto
nope prot and arms
daring marlin
I've always looked at fury like the red headed step child
lusty grotto
/spit
lusty grotto
focused rage was slow and clunky, this iteration sure isn't
lusty grotto
yuck
daring marlin
gotta be flexible nim
lusty grotto
nop
daring marlin
do it all like me :^)
merry bane
so whats the differenc ebetween mythic 10 and lowers besides affixes and hit harder
lusty grotto
fury sucks forever
daring marlin
I mean the difference between a 9 and 10 isn't that much
infested just changes how you pull SLIGHTLY
lusty grotto
slightly if done correctly
daring marlin
yes
lusty grotto
if done incorrectly though....
daring marlin
disaster
lusty grotto
lots of kiting too depending on affixes
merry bane
well then I shouldnt enter them just yet
daring marlin
I believe in you
merry bane
freehold? that just sounds nasty. those first few pulls
outer dew
lol
merry bane
+9 as dps
outer dew
you know
most groups skip the first trash right?
anyone that doesn't hate themselves skips that trash
merry bane
I have alwasy hated myself
ill attempt the +7 if they invite me
no stealthies. 2 pirests mage and warlock
manic perch
so tired of these idiots in wow following the top guilds blindly and just agreeing with them that warrior's are bad tanks.....
they just wanna get carried by BDK cause they too shit to avoid stuff and actually contribute to the run.
ran a 10 Tol dagor and the druid whispered me and said "how do you deal with the community opinions around prot being bad"
i was like fuck it gonna prove them wrong, you tell me how it felt healing me after we completed the run.
at the end of the run he whispers me and says " i prefer healing you over most BDK's" add me if you wanna push keys
daring marlin
nice anime storyline
lusty grotto
anyone wanna do a boralus8?
xD
me group is in the lfg finder thingie
as siege 8
lusty grotto
only because of the last boss, healing as hpal is kinda rough
daring marlin
VIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTUE
daring marlin
I was lied to when legion was coming out
apparently they had some sort of atonement healing in beta
and axed it before release
thorn yarrow
o I like the new discord image
compact dock
are the buffs huge for prot warrs in 8.1?
ember crest
question in regards to mythic fetid, do you guys feel fine with just a demo and no IP? or do you always try to layer an IP on top of a demo in between SBs, SWs, etc, Ive been staying alive but its sketch. Also how many dedicated tank healers do you run? We have a single holy paladin doing it right now, wondering if that might not be enough to be safe
to be specific, tanking thrashes
i generally dump rage into IP anyway, but im wondering how much i can get away with in relation to others
daring marlin
@outer dew this man not utilizing VR is making me wanna die
that boss hits for noodle damage even on tyrannical
outer dew
lmao
merry bane
just photo finished a plus 7
4 seconds before timer expired
we had freehold and that sharkboss was brutal
manic perch
did you have ranged for freehold?
merry bane
it was all ranged but me
we wiped cause one of those rat guys had 8 stackls of bolster
manic perch
hmm ok should be easy then, we did it with 4 melee that thing almost kiilled me noob melee kiting past the tank...
ouch
merry bane
we beat it with 4 seconds before timer expire and yeah we wiped once there and on the shark boss
but other than that its a smoot run
manic perch
nice
merry bane
never did a plus 7 as a tank so I am happy
daring marlin
Good job. 😄
keen spire
what's your item level?
merry bane
370
zinc mauve
on your way to the leaderboards i see B)
merry bane
trying lol. I wanna get better and at least hit my leaderboards for my server
manic perch
dunno why but this week just seems very hard?
havent made a 10 in time yet, also havent played alot but people keep screwing up....
zinc mauve
get mage food
or at the very least, normal food
ANYTHING to help your healer will make you go faster
if you can communicate with your healer it helps a lot too, you can pop defensives to help them get you up to 90% to get rid of grevious
potions and lock rocks are also amazing
merry bane
thats what I was doing
saw my health at 87 was popping healing pots to break the barrier and lock rocks
zinc mauve
certain fights are just cruel though for healers
missplays can practically doom your party
ionic fern
And certain healers are not really good on this week unless played very well.
COUGHDISCCOUGH
outer dew
good week for me
daring marlin
I'm just pumped for the week after next
gonna be nutty for us
next week should be ezpz too
lavish oracle
Oh hey, Shakib is gearing a prot warrior
soft kindle
I mean, yeah
prisma crane
inb4 he stays on DH anyways
lavish oracle
Could always switch between the two
prisma crane
na
not at the levels he does
unless blizz decides to drop a utility bomb our way
the only class it would make sense for him to swap to would be BDK
lavish oracle
I figured it was just for MDI keys
prisma crane
only way you'll see a prot in the MDI is if the key is low enough where they just want our damage
soft kindle
shortest cd aoe stun, perma slow, fear, more aoe dps than most actual dps
prisma crane
aoe stun is shit
soft kindle
I dunno, I think prot's alright
prisma crane
even then, a BDK gives more dmg
and shakib doesnt compete in teh actual MDI
he's not eligible
soft kindle
Bdk does not do more aoe damage
prisma crane
idk how you guys always miss the fact that
grouped up mobs
help the REST of teh group do more dmg
yes, we outdps a BDK alone
but his group does more dmg as a whole
zinc creek
Why did shakib ineligible for m+?
prisma crane
particularly when puilling huge
where he lives, he's not able to compete for winnings
zinc creek
Oh
lavish oracle
What I've heard is that they're considering Prot for UR, Freehold, and Waycrest
prisma crane
it's why he's never been in Jdot's team in teh MDI
time will tell if we're able to just face tank teh world in 8.1
but im not holding my breath for that to happen at those level of keys
daring marlin
even though we take less damage than BDK even when you factor in their self healing
outside of lolstorm anyway
prisma crane
means very little when kiting becomes a thing
outer dew
was wheezing
because the guy was trying to talk like he knows prot warriors
when he tanks via IP only
lavish oracle
lel
daring marlin
wtf lol
daring marlin
yes?
ember arrow
m+ isnt about who takes least dmg
ember arrow
uhhh
prisma crane
i mean monks take more damage than anyone
ember arrow
bonestorm?
daring marlin
wewlad mass grip
prisma crane
yet they're up top too
daring marlin
have a frost mage(which you will) and who cares
outer dew
i mean
outer dew
debating about leveling a DH to do carry sales
daring marlin
if you wanna fall asleep at the wheel maybe
outer dew
cba to level another plate
daring marlin
@ bdk
prisma crane
guys, it's ok to admit that BDK are better in M+ without acting like we're saying that we're shit, since we're not
idk why it's so hard to grasp
prisma crane
you're writing them off
daring marlin
but by how much more?
ember arrow
you arent cool to say that warrior is "so much skill"
lavish oracle
I'm not saying BDK isn't better, I'm just saying prot could be advantageous in some strats
prisma crane
plenty agree that they're boring, and that's fine, but to some pushing higher is what's fun, not the rotation
not that much better ?
lavish oracle
Like, I assume Shakib knows what he's doing and is leveling prot for a reason
ember arrow
idk, i got no stakes in this
daring marlin
nah you're just here to derail, per usual
It's all you do lol
when your input is LUL anyway
prisma crane
personally i find warrior tanking simple too, but i only play prot, but i'm ok saying that unless we gain utility, nothing will drastically change when it comes to high pushes
for trivial keys you could argue we're among the top, because of our dmg output
prisma crane
but that's taking a hit when the DC nerf hits too btw
daring marlin
yes
ember arrow
yes i always stir things up
daring marlin
That's exactly whart you've always done lol
daring marlin
?
lavish oracle
@prisma crane DC nerf but also 6 traits
prisma crane
eh, no need to make it personal
lavish oracle
so hard to tell how much it'll actually effect our DPS
prisma crane
yea but 6 traits affects everyone else as well
the DC nerf will be a hit to our aoe
daring marlin
What am I blaming on supposed shortcomings, exactly? you're all over the place bucko
Bastion is gonna be fun to dick around with. All the mastery.
prisma crane
no doubt
stone crag
hmmm
prisma crane
anyways, will be interesting to see how this all pans out
ember arrow
xd
compact dock
who plays BDK when u can unholy?
dull granite
quick question: what is better for our DPS, vers or mastery?
zinc creek
Well if it's something, my prot warrior is tougher than my brm this week. Not sure about next week affix though
zinc creek
Yeah I agree, but playing a warrior somehow resolves that issue. Was fun
compact dock
atleast we're not guardian druids KAPPA
have yet to seen one in action tbh xD pugs m+ nor hc raids
daring marlin
@sand egret plays a guardian drood
brazen sequoia
Me too
stone crag
yikes
zinc mauve
guardian druids can do high keys, there are just... arent many of them
neon tangle
@compact dock I pugged a h uldir with one a couple weeks ago
The guild had some... interesting strats
i.e. they would stack the whole raid up for zek, and make the eye beams run out
so every time someone messed up the whole raid got jacked up
vital dirge
anyone know stat weights for a prot warrior for the pawn addon?
vital dirge
which mod?
outer dew
Mastery>Crit>Vers>haste>ilvl :^)
neon tangle
I think your ><'s are backwards
outer dew
How's the dk life sadbox?
outer dew
Ayy
People I run m+ with are encouraging me to get a leather tank for sales but
Lazzzzziness
And how you play DK. Was memeing with it by leveling
And my God. Is it just not active
neon tangle
I should really run m+ with some good people
all my runs are helping out alts gear up
outer dew
I don't hate myself that much lmao
neon tangle
less time wasted on farming now tho, got my CoA rep up, etc
so I got more time to do m+
zinc mauve
the woonds champion...
neon tangle
@zinc mauve Doing that grind a second time was a bummer
zinc mauve
doing it the first time is a bummer
outer sluice
with prot it is acceptable to play high m +?
ionic fern
More comes down to if you can find a dedicated team.
sick sentinel
TL;DR: Every class / spec can perform
However, why bring a Warrior when you can bring a DK?
Since Vanilla there have always been sub-par classes and specs. And since Vanilla, there have been idiots (like me) that like and want to play those classes and specs.
Those idiots are not invited to raids.
sick sentinel
Look at Mythic
dire wyvern
'not part of the 1%' it should be
ionic fern
🤷
Get in a decent guild then.
Unless you are racing for world first you can bring w/e.
Tank wise.
On Zul/Zek sure, a BDK with grip would be great.
sick sentinel
More like 100 top
dire wyvern
wasnt there a prot warrior in top 20?
sick sentinel
Cant remember, but even if it was, its 1 dude vs. a sea of Brews and DKs
willow wraith
Hello guys,
Wasn't a mastery rework planned for 8.1?
willow wraith
Can't find anything else than the painkiller off gcd
sick sentinel
gets low on health
pops Ignore Pain
dies anyways
No idea, Aimeric
I'll read patch notes once they hit live
beyond that its just a rollercoaster of emotions
tulip pond
Check pins for 8.1 changes @willow wraith
willow wraith
Ok thx anyway
neon tangle
@ionic fern tbh finding a guild that needs a tank, and is chill with a warrior isn’t the easiest thing right now
smoky basin
finding anyone that plays is hard right now, lol
ionic fern
Idk, i'm just spamming m+ 😂
smoky basin
spamming M+ on grievous week feelsbad 😦
sick sentinel
doing 1 M+ on grievous feelsbad
sick sentinel
Yeah, I'm sure thats the problem lul
ionic fern
It's a huge difference.
smoky basin
tried a 15 freehold with 1800 players, couldnt get past 2nd boss cuz grievous op
ionic fern
One healer couldn't heal a +10 ToS 3rd boss.
While the other easily healed the +13 we did.
🤷
smoky basin
disc priest prot war feelsbad
sick sentinel
with a self-healing class it isnt that bad
smoky basin
well ya
smoky basin
ignore pain is a self heal 4hed
smoky basin
ex dee
sick sentinel
all I want for christmas, is prot buffs
somber ether
@tulip pond imo that doesn't really answer @willow wraith 's question. All we know is that mastery has been removed (maybe put back in again for the time being?), but nothing new has been put in it's place yet. The only answer we can give so far is, that there're no news on prot mastery.
lapis topaz
Legendary bracers as mastery? Dream?
lapis ruin
Legendary shoulders as mastery? Dream? Lol
thorn yarrow
o these Affixes look amazing
hidden kindle
Has anyone done any more extensive testing on the PTR with the changes? Do they feel significant or just minor?
primal crypt
Warriors are top tier
Right there with DKs
Cant be playing like a poof though
Still requires more thinking than the other tanks
hidden kindle
Are you thinking in terms or raiding or m+
sick sentinel
If you are currently using an az piece with reinforced plating (why? ) you're getting straight buffed
Even though I haven't thought about bastion of might in the context of 3 powers
Was too hyped about 6
hidden kindle
it feels like our aoe dps must be ridic in 8.1 since we dont have to spend GCDs on IP?
as its already bonkers
sick sentinel
Saving up those GCDs during avatar will be a huge dps increase
During normal rotation, the IP off GCD will probably result in a lot more devastates
hidden kindle
i guess the nerf to DC will be a blow to dps tho
sick sentinel
Especially in single target tanking
stark plinth
Hey guys, so I have aquestion for Mythic Zul. We are thinking about having a 370 warrior as one of the 3 tanks. Is that doable? It's to max the amount of rogues.
If so, which one is easiest for Warriors to tank? Adds?
astral crystal
i tank the crusher
brm tanks zul first
and we just have a veng dh kite crawgs
realistically anyone could do crawgs
hidden kindle
if you tank crawgs as prot u gotta be careful not to overdps them
sweet kettle
Me smash me no hold buttons
lusty grotto
morning warries
are we ready for the daily Chef Nimchip pic
jk i'll do it later when blade is on
sweet kettle
Gtg to class cya
dire wyvern
After doing my first m+ as prot yesterday, I already think its gonna be very good in 8.1
stark plinth
@astral crystal Do you think 370 is enough to tank crusher?
astral crystal
yeah probably, doesn't hit that hard
just have last stand for every super saiyan phase
hidden kindle
crusher doesnt hit that hard but the boss does
astral crystal
after she casts the shout
hidden kindle
because if u tank crusher you prob will tank boss in last phase
astral crystal
ye
hidden kindle
the dot will rape u
astral crystal
youre not going to survive the zul dot on ilvl alone though
not this tier anyway
so make sure your tank calls for externals
hidden kindle
all depends how good your guild is also but i mean if you are starting to progress zul now i think its gonna be hard to have a 370 warrior tank zul in p3
astral crystal
usually the way we do it is brm gets bopped after tanking, i take boss, i go drop my pool with wings/monk bubble if it's up
then it's usually dead by the time the brm has to go out again
stark plinth
Nice, thanks
astral crystal
i think i was around 370something for our first kill, i dont recall
stark plinth
Yeah
Our guild is like 383 or soemthing
we have 4 rogues with good gear
it's just that warrior that'll be low
cause it's a tank
alt
hidden kindle
I usually play arms but I tanked on zul the other week and the healers did have a pretty hard time in last phase despite me beign 385
astral crystal
like i said, youre not going to survive the dot by willpower alone, externals are needed
stark plinth
yeah...
But can't he tank the Crawgs then?
We'll have BDK, BrM and Prot
warrior
astral crystal
sure
stark plinth
Is the idea
stark plinth
Yeah, but with your experience, and those 3 classes
willow wraith
@somber ether thx mate
stark plinth
what would you do?
astral crystal
if youre concerned about your warrior's ilvl, put him on crawgs; their purpose is to live as long as possible so rogues can leech dps off them and onto the boss
astral crystal
whot
hidden kindle
really no point in DPSing the crawgs much if rogues know what to do, you will have a lot of tricks
and nobody else should be on crawgs except the mage or w/e you have for slowing
inland mesa
If krawgs are dying just ignore pain spam, they heal for the damage they do so blocking actually makes them heal less, and if you're thunderclappung a ton of they get stunned they're probably dead D: learned that the hard way then just went on crusher
astral crystal
also tank at 370 shouldnt be a huge deal on zul imo because you should be going into p2 with brez
saving them for tanks
on prog, tanks dying will probably be the guaranteed death scenario
hidden kindle
ye there really isnt that much else to die from so
for most people the fight is literally tank and spank
uneven mason
M Zul or HC Zul?
dire wyvern
m
uneven mason
Ah ok, haven't chewed on that chunk of glass yet.
modern brook
how many sub rogue alts you had to pull in?
uneven mason
lol
yeah thats the thing my guild is like "We won't need to put in rogues"
TFW you look at the warlock doing 11k DPS
uneven mason
I ask my self that question ever yday
cinder nova
Yikes
uneven mason
yeah he's about that
cinder nova
That
uneven mason
I ask myself that every day
modern brook
how is there a 366 lock this late into the patch
modern brook
We're 2bosses in but havent actually got a raid together in like ~a month
dire wyvern
My warrior alt overtook my DK main briefly
modern brook
2/8 mythic flex
modern brook
my shield is still fucking me
modern brook
I'm 380 equipped, with a 345 shield
uneven mason
360 Rezan's eye and 385 Mythrax
modern brook
395 Vial of animated blood, 370 crusty block
IDK if the vial is good but its really funny
uneven mason
You know
now that prot warriors are actually in a pretty good spot
There isn't a whole lot to talk about
most of the doomsayery folks have disappeared besides the trolling ones
dire wyvern
prot warrior in 8.1 will be very solid
modern brook
My favorite thing is when i tank m+ and get a whisper along the lines of wow a lot easier to heal than i expected
uneven mason
We're already solid, 8.1 we're bordering on OP
dire wyvern
in m+ i think it will be BDK > Warr/BrM > VDH > Guardian
uneven mason
It comes down to the fact that, if you're already good at prot, you're going to be even better in 8.1, if you're bad at prot, the spec will be a bit less punishing, so it'll be less obvious
modern brook
"yeah my utility," I cry from my 32k aoe opener
uneven mason
yeah its really just a utility thing (almost always is)
but that isn't just us
that's basically "Not a BDK"
lusty grotto
VDH is still a lot better for M+, the reason they aren't is because most VDH are fucking clueless idiots
modern brook
I've been leveling a holy pal
uneven mason
Yeah
dire wyvern
compared to BrM we dont lack that much
dire wyvern
their stun and perma CC is better but we have way more defensives + rally cry
modern brook
I had to heal a dk that sat at full power, no death strikes, no bones stacks
the whole dungeon
dire wyvern
yes ring is the thing that brings them ahead
lusty grotto
like yesterday, i depleted a 5 because the tank was using Demon Spikes only when he was about to die
modern brook
My point being, most tanks are clueless idiots
uneven mason
RoP is like, not quite Gorefiends
chilly brook
I’m literally trying to think of reasons to keep playing rn
uneven mason
but its up there as far as Util
dire wyvern
yeh until 18 keys, its about the player not the class
uneven mason
a lot of folks are Griff, thats why they're releasing new content in 2 weeks
modern brook
@chilly brook you can keep playing with me and help me get a shield 😃
uneven mason
because this is about the time frame where content fatigue settles in
chilly brook
Lol
lusty grotto
yeah my whole guild kinda peace'd
modern brook
same nim
chilly brook
I mean
lusty grotto
so i had to run pug M+
chilly brook
To be fair
lusty grotto
and fuck that shit
uneven mason
But they basically track how long folks stick around for content
and plan their patches around that
chilly brook
8.1 isn’t dropping with anything major iirc
modern brook
I ran a +4 shrine on my rogue and we fucking depleted it before the 2nd boss
dire wyvern
tbf its not like you should be finding a lot to do
chilly brook
Content wise that is
lusty grotto
ugh
modern brook
how
dire wyvern
a major content patch in 2 weeks
lusty grotto
ugh bull
dire wyvern
like, this is the content lul right now
uneven mason
New War Campaign
dire wyvern
lull
lusty grotto
the 5 i depleted was an AD OOF
uneven mason
new storyline
lusty grotto
with my Hpal
modern brook
OOF
chilly brook
Oh you mean something I can get done in one day lmao
chilly brook
And then be back to square one
uneven mason
"Dynamically gated content"
modern brook
depleting atal feels bad, even at like 11
lusty grotto
yeah
uneven mason
it'll take 3 weeks
because they'll time gate it
when the time gating is done
the new raid hits
Remember when content gated content?
chilly brook
So something I can do in one day and then log out until the next time it’s out
uneven mason
#shadowsofluclin
dire wyvern
I would class buffing alt potential + class changes as new content
lusty grotto
OHAIOIDHAo
modern brook
THe thing the triggers me the most
lusty grotto
f luclin
dire wyvern
but maybe thats just me
modern brook
Is that right now I'd love to spend this downtime leveling alts
uneven mason
"Want to raid, spent 170 hours camping 12 items"
modern brook
And they're buffing exp gain next patch 😦
I'm working on my 3rd 120
I figured having a healer makes sense
chilly brook
5 120s rn
dire wyvern
reducing exp required*
uneven mason
only have 2, still playing the main warrior
lusty grotto
i kinda want to get my Rdruid up but idk
uneven mason
because
chilly brook
Can’t be bothered doing anything with alts when I have to do dailies on them
lusty grotto
yeah griff
dire wyvern
wont have to do any dailies on them in 8.1 if you dont want to
chilly brook
Yea that’s why I’ve been waiting to do anything with alts until 8.1
lusty grotto
i mean i abused the shit out of the rep buffs just to get revered and never touch emmisaries on my alts again, just for the profession recipes
hpal is ench/tailor for bags
mage is alch
and i guess druid will be JC + Engi
all i need
chilly brook
It’ll be nice to log in 8.1 and have an extra 45 ilvls on my neck for my alts
uneven mason
🤢
If you're bored now
wait until you actually don't have to press buttons to tank
healing they're fun
I mean playing Mistweaver
I tried to get my BrM up to 120
chilly brook
I’ve played monk for 2 expansions now trust me if they didn’t bore me then they won’t start to now
uneven mason
I really did
chilly brook
MW is hella fun in pvp tho
uneven mason
I just started falling asleep, went back to grinding Conquest on the warrior and resto druids
chilly brook
My monk is like 115 rn
uneven mason
I do kittytree
chilly brook
Only tank that’s not 120 for me
chilly brook
But I’m also not motivated to do anything with my monk seriously until 8.1 anyways
Because
Dailies
dire wyvern
brm is pretty fun imo
uneven mason
I mean, it lets you play Diablo III on the switch while you tank
lusty grotto
shit man, i might need to boot up that ptr to check if i grinded rep for nothing
uneven mason
I guess thats fun
chilly brook
I like actually having a set rotation
dire wyvern
Dislike monk because of WW
lusty grotto
you mean smash soon amirite
dire wyvern
MW is my fav healer spec and BrM is top 3
uneven mason
urite
dire wyvern
dunno really, not much of a fan of combo point specs
lusty grotto
i mean clearly we had SM4SH already
chilly brook
@uneven mason I need to get Diablo 3 on switch
dire wyvern
like if i was gonna play one, i would just play sub rogue
chilly brook
But like WW doesn’t play like a combo point class
It just has them as an extra resource
lusty grotto
combo points > do ret > get bored out of my mind playing it > delete spec forever and be hpal for life
uneven mason
that game I don't play against Mike anymore because Mike is a professional douche with Link
thats what I call it
lusty grotto
LOL
dire wyvern
its just a worse Frost DK atm tho, big burst every 2 mins then wet noodle inbetween
modern brook
Holy paladin is so fun
lusty grotto
which link tho
modern brook
The rest of the class is a big lame-o for me
chilly brook
I miss pre legion MW tho
uneven mason
"yes"
chilly brook
Back when MW had chi
modern brook
which is lame cause i think Ret is probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing classes
chilly brook
It was dope af