i know how that go
#protection
quartz tulip
quiet kettle
only thing i'd like to see updated on that is where archive places
steel mauve
archive in uldir, bfi/if outside of uldir for same ilvl
quiet kettle
eh so no diff from my bfi then
steel mauve
the main reason archive is good is the RA inside uldir, at this point with 10 stacks 750 of a secondary is pretty huge for not having to do any thing
quiet kettle
well obv but i was thinking for m+ specifically
cause a Roa trait is bis for every1 inside uldir
steel mauve
archive is bis offensively outside uldir, maybe slightly less than DC, but bfi and if are still stronger defensively
quiet kettle
and lets be honest, in m+ u spend more time doing dps than actually attempting to press IP atm
onyx vessel
Eh dead tank = dps loss
Capping rage is dps loss as well as surv
And sadly revenge procs too often to be a consistent rage dump
Sadly hitting ip is only thing else to do
Is intercept getting taken off gcd?
soft kindle
Presumably.
onyx vessel
Good now i can avatar charge
next goblet
after 8.1 drops you guys think prot war will be a little bit better in m+ since IP isn't on the GCD anymore?
onyx vessel
Bit better lack of utility hurts alot tho and self healing
Quality of life changes mostly and small increase to overall survival
soft kindle
Bloodsport new meta š
onyx vessel
Im not much for m+
I dont even have 1 azurite peice with it
1 dc 2 brace 1 archive all i got
Mind if that is accually true azurite peices arent too hard to farm for at 370 ilvl
merry cave
IP is a qol change it doesn't make us any better or worse
hot locust
It is without a doubt an increase in power concerning M+.
Significant enough to overcome utility gaps is another topic entirely, but we are definitely tankier in quite a number of situations for M+ now.
dire wyvern
It's definitely not just a QoL change
Not having to choose between a dps and defensive global is a boost overall and overcapping rage will happen less thus improving resource usage
soft kindle
Usually you use IP what, 40-50 times in a 5 minute fight?
That's a good chunk of globals not spent on IP anymore
dire wyvern
Yup
soft kindle
@merry cave Basically no. Not just a QoL change
prisma crane
the change to blocking ranged attacks is much more significant than the change to IP
sick sentinel
for m+ yeah blocking ranged is really good
IP of gcd will just make playstyle more smooth
onyx vessel
2 seconds off shield block isnt small either
keen spire
yeah we're getting huge buffs yall
onyx vessel
Lack of utility is only downside
Gag order returned would be nice
I fucking loved that shit back then
onyx vessel
Nothing wrong with gag order returning it had a 15sec icd
I suppose pvp problems
Fack
sick sentinel
@onyx vessel triple azerite veins :^)
signal tulip
onyx vessel
make it a talent for prot
in the 75 slot
remove menace
cuz trash
make it like 20-30 seconds who cares atleast something
only bad spot mythrax
getting ppl out silenced em shit
having some choice in talents for utility would be very helpful tbh since we have almost no choices currently
but alas 8.1 is in what 16 days or something so we wont be seeing anymore changes to stuff for sure no major talent overhauls
cuz whipping a weapon at someone whos casting doesnt interupt
@sick sentinel the dream sadly i dont have 1 azerite veins for m+ unless i swap my gridrunners to brace
onyx vessel
i got the best outer tier traits and inner
middle arent too bad
2 blood siphons and lifespeed
sand egret
imho IV > AV
AV is a rng fiesta that from my logs consistently overheals significantly (the one tick procs!) while IV is every 6 seconds period. When a stacked AV hits its awesome but that feels like a crapshoot.
personally AV should only proc under 60% hp
onyx vessel
both are nice in terms of healing
and you can get both on one peice
like the shoulders from world boss
outer tundra
Reinforced playing or collective will ?
Iām converting from fury so I donāt know anything about prot. Going to try to be a tank
Anyone with any advice?
sick sentinel
check pins as starter
as anything else you want here we will answer questions best we can
steel mauve
You dont use ip 40 or 50 times in a 5 minute fight, more like half that...
outer tundra
I only see a recommended azurite trait list for prot traits, no multi spec traits in there and it mentions its prot specifics only.
Trying to decide between collective will and reinforced plating
primal crypt
@outer tundra
Usually it's 1x DC 2x BFI
The DC is non negotiable
you gotta have it until 8.1 changes
outer tundra
I see that list too but there is a note saying itās only comparing the prot specific traits
primal crypt
Archive can be used to replace BFI
Anything out of that list and Archive
isn't worth using
outer tundra
So not sure if the multi spec trait collective will would be better than bottom of the barrel prot trait reinforced playing
primal crypt
since our prot traits are actually decent
So that list there. Archive. Boom
DC is the only one mandatory
outer tundra
In 8.1 will DC still be top or you think itās going be drop after the nerf
primal crypt
Most likely come in line with the other traits
and won't be a "you must have this" trait
which is a good thing
stray tiger
actually it still be the best
primal crypt
won't be tied to having one slot always taken by a specific trait, feels shitty when you dont get one
steel mauve
itll still be our bis trait, but not by 45 ilvls
primal crypt
^
steel mauve
i imagine itll still be worth about 15 ilvls though, so you will still possibly see situations you wont go up 15 ilvls to get rid of it
outer tundra
Sounds good, I have that trait so thatās awesome.
Last spec question.. same tier these two traits. Resounding prot or moment of glory
outer tundra
It makes rallying cry last 12 seconds longer and increases HP boost
outer tundra
By 6,626 for me
outer tundra
Was thinking more of a saver of my group mates when healer focusing me
But thatās probably very specific
Iāll go RP I guess
primal crypt
Why would you care about your group???
let them die...
You're a strong independent prot warrior, don't let anyone take that from you
nova rover
Question, did under rot 6 yesterday, still only 340; but the big pack of maggots + the large one wrecked me. Shield wall the way to do it?
rich robin
Question. Did they all die at the same time?
nova rover
No they hadnāt died yet except 1 or 2, had no problem with big packs in mother 6
plain ice
the blood ticks + maggot right after the first boss?
nova rover
Ya
plain ice
you shouldn't need wall on a tyrannical week on a 6
at 340 ilvl though - not sure
how fast are they dying?
prob better off popping avatar, running in, blowing them up, shockwaving and leaping away
nova rover
The group killed em after I started tanking the floor lol
plain ice
that should be enough
you can also skip that pack and go right
that's typically what i do
nova rover
Reeeally
nova rover
Yea, hmm Iāll try that next time we donāt do underrot much.
plain ice
ticks + the maggot. first pack to the left right after the first boss
smoky oak
Did you stand in the frontal
cinder nova
TC slow is so gimpy atm
It's not like Prot was imba for PVP
What'd they need to nerf it
sick sentinel
@nova rover If you are doing the maggots pack(left side after 1st boss), u need to have a full IP up w/Shield Wall and Spell Reflect
The chances of them not all popping at the same time is very low
Also if ur going to kite them u need to be at or over 40 yards and Heroic Leap only covers 30
rough egret
Its better to avoid them
sick sentinel
If ur pugging, it's hard because ur group will not pay attention if they get focused by swamer
Which is the easiest way for a group to disband
But I would suggest telling ur dps to move in regardless if they are being focused if u go right side
lavish oracle
Nah, I disagree @wolf. CC the maggot pull ticks back., TC -> stun -> TC -> leap away if they're not dead whole pull takes 2 seconds
rough egret
Ofc they are killable, im always trying to take the right Side, and waiting for the rest of the group to pass there, in case someone will pull its managable to slay them even If we bolster the maggot.
wise jackal
How we doin' this morning, Prot discord?
rough egret
Its rainy cold evening here
vocal imp
3
deft hinge
wooo doggy
sick sentinel
And you didnt quit at the 30 minute mark why?
idk
also after 25+ deaths, its a dead key
i dont love people that much to stay in a group
even if its guildies
we wanted the +10 for the chest I guess
and I am hangover from yesterday night so I didn't give a shit I just wanted to clap shit
lavish oracle
Yeah, a +10 is a +10. If its just an alt run you don't need to worry about timing it
tidal holly
and after those screenshots people sey prot warrior is trash š
tidal holly
booming voice BoS
nova rover
Thanks was kind of on the fence
floral harbor
Anything good coming from the azerite extra ring in 8.1 for us?
rough egret
Bastion of Might looks cool
chilly brook
Did they add any others besides bastion of might? Last I checked it was the only one they were adding
primal crypt
that was it so far
chilly brook
Iām not saying they shouldnāt
Just saying it wouldnāt be hard to come up with some
primal crypt
š¤
it seems absolutely difficult for them to come up with stuff for us
either that or they just dont care lol
chilly brook
T21 would be an easy fallback
Each block adds x amount of absorb to IP
Probably could grab from T20 as well
Hell it could even be weaker versions
How about add purge to our Shield Slam?
open bluff
when you're so good you're 2% of the top 100 
silk mortar
Us lel
chilly brook
At one point I should just run high keys
open bluff
Mind you this is the same character, just race/name changed from panda to DI
chilly brook
Some of my best runs have been with pugs
ember crest
im #3 on my server for prot, and i only have a 1204 score, its pretty insane the disparity between region and class/spec
chilly brook
TBH 1204 isnāt bad at all tho
open bluff
I didn't change from tauren
chilly brook
More than most people have done
Including myself
Because Iām lazy enough to not care about the other dungeons that donāt drop something Iād want
silk mortar
Gotta work harder
ember crest
and there are prot wars who are up there
i think a korean guy is still number one prot?
rough egret
Sense 2nd?
ember crest
does he stream?
chilly brook
Pretty sure boost does
chilly brook
Nah I donāt think thatās boost
Last I saw he was blood elf
So then yea idk who that is
burnt bluff
Reflecting Growth Dmg on G'huun does it actually Damage him or just negate it And why can't I use my global emotes >:C
primal crypt
@burnt bluff no global here
jade socket
no
astral crystal
The quest chain to unlock the Dwarf Heritage Armor is available for testing on the Patch 8.1 PTR. You need to be a level 120 Dwarf and exalted with Ironforge in order to initiate the quest.
noooooooooooo
burnt bluff
:C What a waste of pad
primal crypt
get rekt
burnt bluff
Can't giga meme here ;__; back to brew discord
burnt bluff
But whats the point of playing this game without padding and memes
zinc mauve
@ember crest im #3 prot warrior with 1.1k, #1 on proudmoore has 1.5k score
ember crest
right, i only mentioned that because to me personally it doesn't feel like much of anything, due to lack of saturation in prot warriors, maybe not though, maybe even with more people attempting prot they wouldn't be able to go that far, I feel like its more people tried it initially but didn't put more time in because of how punishing it was
i mean obviously sense, boost, travex, that korean guy at #1 show there is a high end to the spec
need to find those stream URLs for those people
oblique garnet
shame im only 1.4k prot not good enough to be relevant
lavish oracle
I mean 1.4k puts you in about the top .5% of tanks logged on r.io, I don't know how strict your metric is for relevant but it's pretty narrow
steel mauve
sarcasm
lavish oracle
Damn internet
clear sapphire
I wish I had the motivation to get more groups for keys. After the first few weeks our set groups kinda broke up due to quitting/uninterst, and pugs are cancer (generally). So I've been on the rep/mount grind.
soft lotus
this is gonna sound like I'm a retard, but I swear I raid mythic. On ghuun I'm having trouble targeting the right cysts when I'm charging to solo an orb. Anyone having that kind of trouble? Sometimes I end up targeting the wrong cyst
and taking half a second to target makes me get stuck
blissful vault
Focus the right one before the pull
soft lotus
yeah, i do that with the first, but there are 2 charges
blissful vault
If u charge leap charge itās only the very last one u need to manual target and thatās easy
soft lotus
I mess it up like 1 out of 20 times :(
stiff gate
Anyone know yet if the DC nerf will make it worse than other traits, and if so where it will fall in general power rankings?
steel mauve
still be top tier, probably nearly worth 15 ilvls, not 45 any more
youll still want it most likely, but you can at least drop it for another trait and not be wearing a 340 in mythic uldir
type situation
stiff gate
good to know. at the moment i could drop my 340 DC shoulders and get a 3rd azerite veins on a 370 piece which would be neat for m+
lavish oracle
How much more will DC be worth while AoE tanking after the patch? will we get enough extra Demos from our extra rage gen to increase its value significantly?
stiff gate
yeah i meant in 8.1
dense shard
would never surrender be worth taking in 8.1
steel mauve
no
dense shard
so it really just that useless
stiff gate
yup
stiff gate
tho i am curious for the sake of memes if bloodsport's bonus IP value is increased by never surrender or not
lavish oracle
And it's up against Bolster so there's that...
steel mauve
so you need to be near dead all the time for it to be effective
dense shard
yeah bolster is really strong talent
steel mauve
and bolster solidifies our gaps
even with a reduced block cd, 15 seconds of blocking means you can use that rage you would have used for nearly 3 shield blocks on ip's or revenges if needed
basically you freed up 120 rage to be spent elsewhere in a single cd
dense shard
but shield block is affected by haste
steel mauve
im aware
lavish oracle
So is bolster, since more haste means more rage, which means greater CD reduction from AM
dense shard
ah true
steel mauve
what im getting at is even if we no longer have a gap, or have a much lower gap, you can still use last stand just for the purpose of bolster, and then you have extra ip's to spend rage on instead of shield blocks since bolster is handling that
stiff gate
not gonna disagree that bolster is still going to be better, but theoretically 120 rage is only 3 IPs, so the defensive value would pretty easily be outstripped by Never Surrender if all that had to get you was the equivalent of 3 IPs worth of bonus per last stand cd. the real issue is that we will still have block gaps even with the cd reduction
and u need bolster to fill those
steel mauve
and never surrender is still really bad in terms of performance, being that you have to remain at really low hp for it to become effective
and its never really a good idea for a tank to remain near death just to get a talent to perform
stiff gate
ofc
also strong cds are almost always more valuable than just blanket survivability throughput
since very rarely is the danger just "all the time"
steel mauve
it would be much better of a talent if they adjust the min hp portion of it, like the talents effectiveness remains the same, but "squash" it down to where its full effectiveness isnt when we are dead
kind of dumb in my mind that we have a talent we can not gain 100% effectiveness of
stiff gate
yeah if it was capped at 50% instead of 0% it would probably be okay
like
in m+ im at 50% a lot
dense shard
what if the base ip value was higher say 20% from now
oh and the cap raised higher too
floral harbor
BFI x2 or BFI and Archive (2 stacks)?
steel mauve
same ilvl?
steel mauve
you can swap to arhcive at 3 stacks pretty much, but i doubt you would notice a difference in either of them, but bfi X 2 outside of uldir
archive*
floral harbor
sounds good thanks!
merry bane
how was everyones thanksgiving
floral harbor
Great! My stove element burned out and the wife freaked
daring marlin
I'm of the opinion of same ilvl double archive>BFI even outside uldir
Top Warrior rolls with that in all his +19 keys, along with the trinkets people shit on like mythrax/KR one lol
stiff gate
the mythrax is the absorb one when you drop low right
daring marlin
yep
daring marlin
people shit on it and the one from KR a bunch
this dude rocks a 370 and 375 of each
kek
Not a lack of options either. He has a socketed rezan's 370 and still prefers them over it.
š¤
steel mauve
some times just pure ilvl is a factor, but we dont really have many options, just because its used a lot doesnt mean its particularly great, its just less shit than other trinkets
and archive is bis offensively over bfi/IF, but any time some one asks whats better, and when it comes to m+ as well, i give them the defensive route, since i assume that if they are asking about it they might not be comfortable enough to go offensive, even if gear wise they could
daring marlin
The only reason I said what I said is because the vast majority of times I've seen those trinkets spoken about they're treated as memes.
jade wyvern
whats the kr trinket again?
steel mauve
str on use trinket
steel mauve
pretty good dps trinket with a high ilvl
steel mauve
ah ya, bandages is pretty bad, veiled eye is much better than it
daring marlin
He uses them both.
And you're proving what I said.
It clearly isn't as bad as people like you think or he wouldn't use it in 19s.
lol.
jade wyvern
is this https://www.dreamgrove.gg/guardian/defensive-trinkets/ the only trinket guide available?
seems slightly outdated
thats the one in the pins
never mind. the overall prot guide on icy veins has one
actually that guide sucks too
trinkets just suck in general this xpac
jade wyvern
im filling in for m ghuun and my options are blockades, 365 howler, 370 rezans. and some dps trinkets
im assuming the howler and rezans?
logs show quite a few syringes being used
steel mauve
blockades is better defensively, but howler and rezans are pretty good too, howler is a bis trinket, the vers is really good, and helps the party out a bit
if the syringe is a really high ilvl the str makes it good, but i got a 370 ilvl syringe and the proc was doing about 26k per 5 min fight
jade wyvern
i have a 385 one
daring marlin
who cares about the proc damage?
steel mauve
there are beter str trinkets than a piddly proc dmg trinket
steel mauve
oh ya i forgot about the crit, if you have a 385, i would probably use it and then pick between whether you want another defensive trinket with howler/blockades, or a haste trinket in rezans
brave mauve
I'm at a Japanese bar right now, about to join you in that.
soft kindle
Syringe is a lot of crit, to pop in on the earlier convo
Is the proc rate reduced for tanks?
soft kindle
That's not what I asked
keen spire
Bruh you canāt rely on me for advice right nOw
keen spire
It bugs me that I read that as mango first and got excited
Then I got disappointed because you were calling me mongo
:c
soft kindle
Have fun, you mango
keen spire
Yusssss
daring marlin
@keen spire Top based on what? Because the top prot warrior in M+ uses bandages and mythrax trinkets
keen spire
Mythic uldir
sick sentinel
@daring marlin Dont say that, people still think tank trinkets are bad
What he meant to say was, "Dps trinket good, follow bandwagon. We warrior, no intelligence."
daring marlin
@sick sentinel LOVE YOU
sick sentinel
š
crude summit
what do you guys think dwarf or human for my prot
sick sentinel
It really depends on what you want
Dwarfs have a dot cleanse for most things in dungeons if u care about high lvl M+
Humans have...something, idk
rough egret
human, the nget exalted with 7th legion and swap toDID
sick sentinel
^
esp right since u can get 24% rep increase +plus human racial
until tuesday, i believe
crude summit
im a fresh player so im starting at lvl 1
rough egret
then go normal dwarf
stoneform is pretty strong
but the diference is minimal
tbh
I just like DID so I play my tank as DID š
crude summit
yeah plan was to mainly do mythic + and some arms pvp sense im normally getting home around 10 cst so raiding during the week is kinda out
rough egret
well then it doesnt matter at all š
just pick the one you like the most
you will be staring at it for a certain time š
crude summit
was gonna go blood elf for the hert. armor but my friends wanted to come back as alliance
chilly brook
Dark Iron is objectively the best choice aesthetically
xD
Did I say Dark Iron?
I meant Pandaren
š
sick sentinel
Helm killer goes to Tauren
Want to see your helm look like a dog medical cone? Play tauren
merry bane
So got a question. what do you think is better, 1 stack of Reorg and 1 stack of SS, or 2 stacks of SS
sorry 2 stacks of BFI or 1 stack of BFI and one stack of Reorg
merry bane
its 520 block almost always up, vs 240 strength only in combat
chilly brook
At least 1x archive and at least 1x DC for Uldir period
chilly brook
Personally I like IF more than BFI
merry bane
I have a helm with BFI, and a chest with Reorg. Just got another chest with BFI
merry bane
you get the stacks of strength from Reorg outside of uldir
chilly brook
Yes you do
merry bane
onyl thing you miss is Haste
chilly brook
But BFI will be better than Archive
merry bane
really? why would it be? its 520 block vs 240 strength and 265 block
numbers might be slitghly off
chilly brook
Block is 100% better than just raw strength against blockable damage
And youāre getting a DPS boost anyways from BFI
Donāt get me wrong itās not that strength is bad
Itās that our other options are just better afaik
merry bane
I mean I do like this chest pieces other traits too. will give me tripleimpassive visage
merry bane
my reorg is like 600
merry bane
and lifespeed over unstabel flames
chilly brook
Because youāre not getting that stat, all youāre getting is an extra 200 strength assuming you keep the stacks
merry bane
or heed my call. I never tried that
chilly brook
At the end of the day, you should just use whatever you feel like you need to (obviously test it) as long as youāre not losing DC
Some traits arenāt negotiable š
merry bane
well yeah my DC is always there
chilly brook
But generally speaking at least from what I was last told by smarter people than myself and from what Iām seeing written down is the Uldir traits are only worth it when you have RA active and youāre getting above 300 stats from it (which is only in Uldir)
steel mauve
basically it boils down to offensive vs defensive
i believe archive is more dps, but bfi is a lot more defensive, since block is a very highly sought after defensive stat
sick sentinel
prot getting buffed in 8.1?
daring marlin
people trying to say BFI is better than archive outside uldir are, in my opinion, flat out wrong
2 of the 3 top prot warriors in M+ roll double archive
Including Sense, by the way.
merry bane
I tried out double BFI
kept up a solid 1110 block and SS damage bu 560
vs my constant 240 strength in combat and 555 or so block and 265 SS damage
merry bane
havent tried double archive yet
merry bane
I got both pieces for it just one went to BFI
sick sentinel
well they also have the 385 verisons
merry bane
lol well I would get a steady 440 strength
and no ss damage or block
I have both 370's
daring marlin
I mean
sick sentinel
I only have the helm atm but if i could get the chest I would run double archieve
daring marlin
I've seen cringey people say yikes at callous reprisal
yet boost uses one
people are stupid as fuck
merry bane
peoplegenerally do what they want but there are generally some better talents
like 440 strength and how much armor you gain and dps
sick sentinel
Remember, tank trinkets are bad and you should always use dps trinkets
merry bane
vs the 1110 block and 560 ss damage
daring marlin
nah we're memeing about KR bandage trinket and mythrax trinket
sick sentinel
^
merry bane
oh I have syringe and blockades
sick sentinel
They should be deleted from the game because of how fucking shit garbage they are
sick sentinel
Eh
merry bane
never use just hold on to it for flavors sake
daring marlin
I love vial for big damage
merry bane
the vial is almost a damage mitigator itself
how much strength mine gives
1359 strength decaying over 20 seconds
sick sentinel
I like vial but i have the prisim so i prefer it over vial
i was lucky and got it to 370
merry bane
what prism
sick sentinel
Prism of Dark Insanity(?)
merry bane
wheres it drop from
sick sentinel
World boss near shrine
Warlord something something
The boss that looks like an old gold servant in an expac not about old golds
The exact opposite effect of vial
It builds up instead of going down, but cant be used whenever
merry bane
I might try a bonus roll for that when he pops
I also like that singe dpulmage from azuregos
but not our class š¦
robust wave
anyone recognize the addon for floating damage numbers?
it seems like a handy way to help me learn what types of damage is coming in
keen bear
hello fellow prot warriors!
vocal nimbus
hello fellow greeting guy
chilly brook
@daring marlin I donāt remember anyone saying that anyone who uses Archive outside of Uldir is awful
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
magic chasm
Anyone think further buffs are coming our way before for 8.1?
spiral crypt
hope so. dont think so.
onyx vessel
bois we need more buffs its not a bear drood too hard REEEE
only thing we need from 8.1 is utility
and we golden
prisma crane
š¤¦
chilly brook
At this point Iād almost say making the game more enjoyable is more important than making sure every class is well balanced
ember arrow
nah bfa is fine, so many new ppl subbed
ember arrow
oh wait
chilly brook
Stop it
ember arrow
i mean
jagex released RS classic
best decision ever
i paly it time to time on my phone
chilly brook
Sure
ember arrow
its literally the game i grew up with
chilly brook
But weāre also talking about the blizzard that canceled the next expansion to D3 after the release of Reaper of Souls because they wrote off D3 ever being a successful game
Turns out RoS made it more than successful
soft kindle
Classic is shite and it's gonna be shite
ember arrow
reaper of souls added shit that shoudve been in base game
chilly brook
Well obviously RoS did that
Thatās why it became a game worthy of the diablo name
And it sold extremely well
ember arrow
i just looked poe
onyx vessel
only thing classic d3 had was made ppl rich
onyx vessel
its f2p
soft kindle
PoE is a yikes from me dawg
chilly brook
Path of Exile @ember arrow
ember arrow
ye im on the steampage
why is it free
im suspicious
gaming turned me pessimistic
chilly brook
Nah PoE is supposedly a great game, just a very intimidating game to get into
chilly brook
@ember arrow afaik itās cosmetic transactions
onyx vessel
not the pay to win
chilly brook
And thatās it
onyx vessel
unless you count rwt
ember arrow
but hows it free then
onyx vessel
very
ember arrow
cant be true
chilly brook
The same way that Warframe is free and is a great game that isnāt p2w in the slightest
onyx vessel
the armour sets for tmog are like$30 a set
ember arrow
its like when a woman at a bar comes up to u and says "im attracted to midle aged, balding men with limited income"
onyx vessel
no p2w involved in poe
chilly brook
Or warframe
onyx vessel
sure
ember arrow
idk, i got 2 timesinks already
chilly brook
You know itās odd that two of the most cared about games from studios are free to play
ember arrow
3k hours in xcom 2012 and xcom 2 combined
onyx vessel
good games
onyx vessel
played alot of xcom
ember arrow
the old ones or the 2012 ++ versions?
onyx vessel
2012 and xcom 2
vocal nimbus
I like blocking
onyx vessel
what you mean by that?
ember arrow
ember arrow
onyx vessel
1014+1410 = 3k??? wat
onyx vessel
1332 hours in poe
ember arrow
ima give poe a try i think
onyx vessel
ive also wasted like $900 on mog
ember arrow
classes anyt fun?
onyx vessel
LEL
ember arrow
i dont want to read guides, pref to go in blind
vocal nimbus
You gonna have a.bad time
ember arrow
i beat long war ironman impossible, im sure it will not be as complicated
onyx vessel
theres 5 classes but you can make them what ever you want
ember arrow
no to what?
prisma crane
ember arrow
whats the progression like?
onyx vessel
LUL
ember arrow
why do u play?
ember arrow
more doenst equal better, im not impressed by big skilltrees
no but why do u play?
what do u earn
what is it all for
onyx vessel
kill shit get loot
ember arrow
so diable like
onyx vessel
arpg in a nutshell
onyx vessel
30mins prob
onyx vessel
dec 7 new xpac to poe also
onyx vessel
yes
onyx vessel
only accual helpful thing to buy with real money is for more space in your stash
its mp
but you can play solo
onyx vessel
no
ember arrow
or is it like diablo?
onyx vessel
you can
ember arrow
always online bullshit
onyx vessel
eh to each its own
onyx vessel
yeah
im just killing time till dec 7th right now
levko how long will long war take for a shitter like me to clear
soft kindle
Clear what
onyx vessel
xcom 2 mod long war
soft kindle
A while.
ember arrow
i dont like long war 2
onyx vessel
i got 12 days to kill
ember arrow
i like long war 1
onyx vessel
REEEEE
ember arrow
long war 2 is too much focused on shitty stealth missions
it feels like they dont want u to play xcom
get a shinobi, run to the objective
run out
WOW I PLAY XCOM
i tried it for 30 ish hours
then unsubbed
onyx vessel
lol
ember arrow
i basically play wotc now
with a mod that increases campaign length
by 25%
and i play on legend
so thats a very long campaign
onyx vessel
yeah too long for me
gets boring when you get too the point where your team is too powerful
then you lose em all
ember arrow
that point doesnt come
onyx vessel
and rage quit
ember arrow
on legend
ur soldiers can get oneshot
at any point
thats why u must have a tank
SPARK
same with long war 1
ember arrow
if u got no tanks in ur squad u in for a bad time
onyx vessel
rage quit
vocal nimbus
Dont you like shields guys?
ember arrow
i got hit by 1% shots multiple tiems on a mission
but i palyed 1400 hours, so thats like hundreds of thousands of shots taken at me, and 1% is only 1/100
@vocal nimbus i like shields in games where they behave like shields
and not like u strapped a digestive biscuit to ur forearm
onyx vessel
taking that logic into wow?
LEL
true the ranged attack not blockable is pretty wtf
vocal nimbus
You kinda went too offtopic
onyx vessel
tru
ember arrow
who
if mods dont like it they tell us to stop
otherwise no need to take it into your own hands
onyx vessel
it is during a downtime of wow most questions asked are is prot good yet in 8.1
ember arrow
if some1 askes something we answer
onyx vessel
you level your prot warrior yet levko
vocal nimbus
Not nice having 100+ msg prompt and not a sungle one on topic š
ember arrow
@onyx vessel nope
vocal nimbus
I will try prot in soz
ember arrow
why would i level prot, if the end game is shit
onyx vessel
been playing my prot warrior in bfa
rage capping feels good
this is the 1st raid
was EN good in legion
fuck no
ember arrow
too easy
ember arrow
i didnt feel i had to grind
artifacts at least made me want to have the treaits, or xmog
not this shit neck
if u unequip it, it doesnt even disable the azerite gear
vocal nimbus
Uldir is harder than en tho
onyx vessel
yes
vocal nimbus
Not for tanks tho
vocal nimbus
Most of uldir fights you gotta stay still
chilly brook
@onyx vessel wtf why do you have a sub rogue doing 9k?
sick sentinel
Hey guys, I did freehold +5 as war prot,
Is it ok to have 8,5K damage taken during all dungeon ?
Sometimes in a bigger pull it can incrase at 12-13k
onyx vessel
pretty bad
sick sentinel
Ok, how many DTPS should be ok for a +5 key ?
sick sentinel
Ok thanks, I'll try to do it again and play better
fickle geyser
anyone tested heed my call vs gutripper?
sick sentinel
Unless someone has the math, u can look at it through Blood Mallet for arms/fury
fickle geyser
i did
doesnt really help
they are almost the same anyways, just was interested if someone has any numbers about it
sick sentinel
Well remember GR procs more @ 30% and lower, so ud have to look at where ud be using it at, m+ or raiding, and in the case of m+ how much and how often u get GR to procc over HmC
And in raiding, u don't have much use for HmC
Since there's really 2 true aoe fights in uldir
But we already do massive aoe with what we got, so HmC may not be best even then
fickle geyser
well its always nice to play for ur strenghts
sick sentinel
For sure, but I know people use GR to make our ST a bit better since we lag behind in the that department compared to aoe
So it's more of a choice for you to make
I am pretty sure that GR in ST and HmC in aoe
it becomes a question if you want to make a department you are already strong even stronger or boost up the deparment you lack in
if you are going with Uldir, you go gutripper 100% of the time
@robust wave idk if anyone told u or u found out already, the add-on is Mik Scrolling Battle Text(MSBT)
fickle geyser
ya our prot pala took a break like many others in bfa and im tanking now for forseeable future, just kinda sad that theres no real numbers about stuff..
not that there was too much info in antorus either but spec has changed alot from what i've played last time
lapis topaz
Should I keep the one Strenght gem or are haste ones just better to have?
fickle geyser
haste
lapis topaz
thanks
robust wave
@sick sentinel Thanks mate. I asked that and then had to crash, so you got the answer to me first š
steel mauve
Path of exile is a really good game
the way they do their skills and the way you can technically customize your character literally how ever you want is amazing, since its all sockets and stuff
daring marlin
@chilly brook You act like youāve never seen hyperbole before. You ok, buddy?
chilly brook
Nope not at all
fickle geyser
Do mythrax beams target tanks in p2?
dull pilot
looking for some advice atm i am tanking as Tauren would i have more survival as high,ountain tauren >?
ember arrow
It wont magically improve your survival
shut summit
@fickle geyser no
fickle geyser
Ty
steel mauve
Races dont really matter that much in terms of shear survival, there are slight differences between them, but thats it
ancient reef
kinda a dumb question but what makes dh good mythic tanks
outer dew
@ancient reef high dps, good mob management, and high kite
neon tangle
Kinda worth noting that DH being āgoodā still puts them at a pretty distant second to the top m+ tank
@ancient reef wait are you asking about mythic raiding or mythic plus dungeons
ancient reef
dungeons
neon tangle
What tofu said then
rocky ledge
Hey guys... any tips for Prot dealing with Necrotic next week? and does Dark Iron Dwarf racial work (do you get multiple stack buff?) anyone know?
neon tangle
Leap away, buy some Lightfoot pots
Bring a frost mage or something
Tbh itās not too bad of an affix
rocky ledge
i was planning on going in and using shockwave to delay early stacks while face-tanking with most of my avatar
and just bouncing with leap at high stacks
neon tangle
I generally save shockwave until I need to kite or to fill in a gap in mitigation or something
last elm
Any chance to get an interface screenshot for clearify myself how I should "order" my spells? Feels like I Don't want to play him because by now it is pretty messy within my bars...
I don't want to have a fancy fancy design interface. just some inspiration on getting me on the right track :)
last elm
As an example, yes
rocky ledge
my bars are a mess because I use WAs for almost everything (including rotation)
rocky ledge
wtf,... what do you use for your main rotation?
outer dew
qert
rocky ledge
you have hthrow, vrush, and taunt on 123
cinder nova
I still have NF on my bars
rocky ledge
with 1-5 as rotation
outer dew
yea
outer dew
how do you back pedal?
cinder nova
You don't.
rocky ledge
on tanks, i do bind S to backup, but i hate using it
cinder nova
Just strafe.
rocky ledge
almost never do
last elm
Yeah I know that everyone uses other keys but it gives me a hint which speels you need in general often etc. :)
cinder nova
Not if you strafe right
rocky ledge
^^
rocky ledge
i agree with Swole
only time, is if you are really trying to position against a wall or something
i use backpedal
cinder nova
Even then I strafe Fetid into place
last elm
Thanks for the 2 screenshots :)
cinder nova
Never have an issue
cinder nova
I unbound all my backpedal keys like in BC when I realized backpedaling had to value in PVP
And you could strafe tank just fine
rocky ledge
i actually have S bound to soothing mist on my MW, with A and D to Env/Viv since you cant move while channeling anyway
i move my fingers down one row and just turret
cinder nova
what a hobo
daring marlin
strafe life
zinc mauve
explosive is the best affix for prot warriors, prove me wrong
prisma crane
nothing to prove. Only affix that allows us to somewhat self sustain
prisma crane
I do however wish that aoe abilities would actually hit them as long as you're actually targeting it
TC and rev for example...
bitter willow
i JUST learned that azerite gear can't drop from M+ except in weekly chest. Then how am I supposed to get a Deafening crash item since it'S not on Uldir gear either... Run M0?
and garantee myself a -30 ilvli tem? š¦
steel mauve
emmisaries and world quests
1 particular world boss drops 355 shoulders
but yes even a 340 is worth using'
bitter willow
Ya... still. I was hoping to be able to farm with higher M+ keys at least.
soft kindle
We all fuckin were mate
soft kindle
thank God they finally at least gave the emissaries thing, too bad it can't go to 385 base
broken kite
And you'll be able to Target the ones you want via vendor
shut summit
Emissaries go up to 385 on ptr as well afaik
oblique garnet
Any tips on zul mythic?
soft kindle
Block his stuff
strong forum
btw whats the average ghuun mystic attempts?
wheat bronze
strong forum
Mh..
So we got a long fucking way to go as 2 day raiding guild, just killed mythrax today
soft kindle
Well, try and get the basics down this week, then blast it apart next week
merry bane
well, this group I am running with for mythrax is wanting to split groups into 2 for the add phase
instead of burn 1 then the other
steel mauve
every pull is a kill, until it isnt š
steel mauve
the problem with avg pull times that my last team had was that they would take it as law
like oh, we cant kill this boss until we pull it 600 times, once we get to 600 THEN we can kill it, aggramar when we killed him we killed him in half the avg pulls at the time, its just a number that shouldnt be focused on
merry bane
why would you even follow that
strong forum
Makes no sense yeah
merry bane
pull a boss 600 times before killing him
steel mauve
mythic argus current
was avg 650 pulls
when we were progressing on him, it was just an example
aggramar was 300 avg, some were focused on it taking us over 300 pulls to kill it until it only took us 170
steel mauve
basically dont worry too much about how many pulls its gonna take, or how many pulls its taking for other teams, just worry about learning the fight, this is the best time to do so, i would just pay attention to the fight and learn the new mechanics added to it, first few nights you're probably not gonna kill it so use them as learning experiences then buckle down
merry bane
I thought once you kill him you kill him. doesnt matte rhow many tries
soft kindle
Tell that to the people that progged KJ
steel mauve
mostly top couple hundred ranked teams focused on it
zinc mauve
Epeen and internet glory
soft kindle
Execution
steel mauve
you can gauge the difficulty of a boss by how many pulls its taking on avg for other teams near your rank, i usually used it as a stress reliever, like "ok we arent going to kill this boss right now, so just buckle down for the long haul and dont start raging and getting stressed out near wipe 50"
soft kindle
If you kill a boss before me, but you raided 30 hours and had 600 wipes, but I raid 10 hours and had 150 wipes, you don't get to chat shit
yknow
merry bane
no. what should matter is if you killeed him or not
steel mauve
like if you're getting pissed off at pull 100 on a 600 pull boss then you just need to take a step back and breath and realize its a really hard boss and its not going to go down quickly
i just used it as a difficulty measure basically, but other people have other reasons for tracking avg pull count obviously
cinder nova
Every day I log into #protection expecting a new pin with a new mastery and huge changes and "IT'S HAPPENING"
And every day I die a little more inside.
astral crystal
8.2 will be our patch... r-right guys.....
man at this point im just riding out the raid until ghuun is dead, not sure i'll be doing the 8.1.5 raid
lavish oracle
8.1 seems hopeful
neon tangle
Nobody to answer you, everyone unsubbed or rerolled
shut summit
š¤
soft kindle
Sense is a bot, obviously
everyone rerolled and unsubbed. Admit it, Sense-bot
Prot looks really good in 8.1.
We want more changes ree
Druid dead inside, dh not far behind
mfw
cinder nova
Prot doesn't look good. It looks the same but not as obtuse.