but is it that hard for your own investigative powers to kickstart?
#protection
cinder nova
chilly brook
We weren't saying what we were saying for no reason
cinder nova
jesus never join the military. they'll knifehand shout your ass into the floor like mattis
primal crypt
Lel
odd ridge
I love this discord
chilly brook
back to smacking people with a bo staff and acting like the monkey king in for honor
cinder nova
is that the fat dude with the tetsubo?
cinder nova
WAIT IS IT JUST BEATING DUDES IN ARMOR TO DEATH WITH YOUR FISTS?
chilly brook
Nah I have a bo staff
cinder nova
BUT CAN YOU?
timber vault
He has a few strikes that are punches, iirc
havent played the faction tho so i dunno
chilly brook
There’s an execution where I neck stomp the guy like I’m Bruce Lee
But no fist strikes I got a kick tho
cinder nova
You can't toy with my emotions like that.
cinder nova
I can agree with that. I did a few clown builds in DS2 and 3 just to tilt people in invasions
And they were scummy kills too
So you know they got extra salted
is shaman still obnoxious to fight against?
That command grab would get me all kinds of fucked up
ionic fern
Oooof, running around with x2 330 Azerite items(head/chest) only to replace them both with HC mother head & HC Vectis chest in a raid. Feels good.
chilly brook
Shaman is still good if that's what you're asking but she's not broken
I’m all about this Jiang Jun guy, he’s got like the old master thing going for him and he has this dope glaive
steel mauve
been thinking about updating for honor and playing it again, i got it when it came out and playued through the campaigns and some multiplayer and then just kind of stopped
chilly brook
They’ve changed it a lot
neon tangle
Real question: why do people call heroic HC?
Why not just “H vectis”
@ionic fern grata! I finally replaced my Alts last 355 piece today
Feels good
junior igloo
@sick sentinel
The prot module for simcraft isn't finished.
Melekus has started working on it, but he has a lot on his plate and doesn't really play a warrior himself, so it's taking some time.
If you are willing to help, you can message him for details on what to do.
chilly brook
Probably to do with something else having a H as it’s abbreviation at some point @neon tangle
Just my guess of course
lapis topaz
@neon tangle i always thought it stands for "Hard Core"
torn gust
How does prot look for 8.1?
wintry ermine
quality of life changes, tiny bit stronger but will feel better
torn gust
But not A tier tank for raiding?
vocal nimbus
if you need to ask your decision of what you play wont really matter
wind scroll
What traits shouild i go for? ... only one Deafening Crash and what? .. or what?
ionic fern
@wind scroll Pins and scroll down to "Guides".
lapis topaz
I go for deafening crash + archive of titans + whatever with highest ilvl. It might not be ideal but with choices right now it is fine i think.
vocal nimbus
@viral arch counter
cinder nova
@neon tangle Same reason germans call DPS classes DD classes
Just weird cultural things
deft hinge
DD is what we called them years ago. Damage Dealers
sick sentinel
Heya! I am sorry if this is a frequently asked question but is Prot Warrior viable for tanking?
yes it is
dire wyvern
worst is when people put 'nhc' like normal hardcore which is an oxymoron
astral crystal
hc is pretty bad
dire wyvern
dont mind HC cuz its like HeroiC as well
sick sentinel
isn't it "non-hardcore"?
dire wyvern
same as people put nm for NorMal
dunno when ive asked people they have said it was normal hardcore lol
sick sentinel
yeah that doesnt make sense, always thought of it as non-hardcore
astral crystal
i mean is it really that much harder than n, h, and m
also here's a personal peeve: tanker
wew lad
sick sentinel
tanker lol
sand egret
to be fair “DPS” is actually a more modern term in the age of min/max.
kinda interesting to think about it that way
everything quantified and compared nowadays
rough egret
This week looks pretty good for certain m+ dungeons
I love to use Fireblood at 5stacks of griveous :P
1600 str :)
trail rune
are you a "Damage Per Second"?
sick sentinel
LOL
hidden ether
Hey would you guys go with iron fortress and resounding protection or blood sport and impassive visage?
cinder nova
@trail rune No, but DPS in this context is an acronym used as a noun, not an acronym used to denote or convey its meaning directly.
You're not a tank, either.
It's no different than the term pog or calling someone a pog.
ember arrow
Ok who cares
merry bane
Happy Thanksgiving folks!
prime pasture
🦃
ember arrow
Murika
merry bane
Murika! Fuck Yeah!
crude iris
Will the upcoming changes to protection make them as formidable as a demon hunter tank in M+?
prisma crane
no
open bluff
Demon hunters sacrificed everything. We only sacrificed our artifact and 40% of IP's value
sick sentinel
i wish we sacrified less
sand egret
We dont sacrifice shit
storm isle
if Demon hunters sacrificed everything why do they have so many good things in their kit?
sand egret
we ignore it
storm isle
^
sick sentinel
i wish we ignored more then
sand egret
yeah its pretty much a core skill to ignore the “prot is trash” trolls 😃
storm isle
we're not trash but we're the weakest tank with druid no?
open bluff
🤔
sand egret
this is a rats nest but simply saying “weakest” is way too general
so in many contexts thats not super correct
sand egret
prot isnt as weak as the baddie playing the prot is weak 😃
storm isle
it's just very hard to play right
rough egret
Prot is love
storm isle
Prot is life
sand egret
id say its a bit more to think about on a moment to moment basis, so for some yeah thats harder to@do
also @rough egret are you certain Fireblood clears greivous btw? im pretty sure it didnt when I tried
rough egret
Im sure
storm isle
you have to be proactive to play it so you need a lot of knowledge about the things you are going to do
rough egret
Did it yesterday on CD
sand egret
but does each stack count as well?
rough egret
Im not sure rn
sand egret
i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt
sand egret
word please let me know
rough egret
Maybe it doesn count stacks
sand egret
well for instance its a single debuff when you have the 5x poison stack in SoB
or maybe it does and I just never looked at the buff....🤔
sick sentinel
Anyone got tips for kitting on prot ? what should i use ?
errant ledge
In response to the comments earlier about reddit trolls, When you play the hardest tank class to play in the game, its easy to say they suck when 90% of the prot wars you run into have absolutely no idea what they are doing and are a disgrace to real prot warriors. So when you run into most prot wars sucking ass its easy to say they suck. When you get in a group with one of the people in the 10% that don't suck you receive complements left and right about our tanking/dmg output
sick sentinel
or should i not bother and facetank as much as i can then heroic leap the hell out of there ?
primal crypt
@sick sentinel use ravager
rough egret
Yesterday i gót invited into +9 AD and when i join the party
rough egret
The DD druid said, he is a warrior why you invite him
shut summit
shouldn't ever use ravager
rough egret
@primal crypt is trolling i guess
primal crypt
Sorry, had to afk lol
Yeah, was trolling, too late now to keep it going
stupid thanksgiving stuff
eager perch
Hi there ! I haven't tank since wotlk and i'm absolutely new to war tanking. I've seen that deafening crash is our azerite god, why? For demoralizing shout extra seconds ?
jovial reef
having one of those traits is a massive gain until the nerfs to the trait are live yes
you can have a super high uptime on demo
silk mortar
Which is damage increase and reduced taken
eager perch
Is demo a used as a real main damage réduction or mainly for the extra rage ?
eager perch
I mean, do i need to save this spell a bit for huge spike of damage (like dance on zek'voz) or just use it on cd to reach extra rage and extra IP?
outer dew
ideally you want to be putting it on cd
so it comes back faster
zekvoz ytou should be fine with just a LS if it ends up messing up the timing
or you can delay it a bit
but ideally you want to be dropping on CD because of AM
holding on to it is basically reducing your uptime by a large margin
hot locust
I swear if you are just linking that uptime picture again...
chilly brook
It’s huge
hot locust
Welp.
outer dew
lmao
chilly brook
Lmao
outer dew
why are you so surprised?
like if I don't see it at least 5 times a day
i think griff would be dead
chilly brook
I mean it proves the point as to why the trait is so needed
outer dew
gotta call the popo
chilly brook
Don’t worry I’ll link it post nerf for the nostalgia as well 😜
chilly brook
I hope they just make AM baseline
eager perch
Ok thx for those answers !
See ya when i'll be tired of mobs one tapping me cause i play badly
chilly brook
If you need help with prot we’re here
sand egret
Keep Calm And Block On
steel mauve
😄
chilly brook
And if you prefer a video guide I’ve got one @eager perch
I’m gonna go commit seppuku now
I’ll rest at least knowing I was the first
sand egret
WOW
steel mauve
that one was about 3 weeks ago when they actually let me tank mother
sand egret
Griff just got bodied
steel mauve
i cant find my highest one, so idk if i was just dreaming when i got an 81% or what
chilly brook
No king rules forever
sand egret
go back to being a Panda and retrain
steel mauve
coulda swore i got 81% uptime on zekvoz
chilly brook
Mine was on Zek
The shorter the fight the better
I should actually insist on tanking Mother this week lol
steel mauve
i take all the shit roles so i usually dont have all that good of an uptime, usually hovering 67%-70%
grand trellis
is Deafening Crash >ilvl? everything else i got is above 370, but i can't seem to replace this 325 helm
chilly brook
67%-70% is well above average tbh
steel mauve
defensively DC is worth about 45 ilvls, but that doesnt count BV with the dmg increase
chilly brook
@grand trellis realistically yes it’s worth over ilvl
steel mauve
so i mean if you have a like 375+ ilvl piece then technically it should be an upgrade over that 325
chilly brook
Are you using haste reorigination array? @steel mauve
I’d like to think I can blame my subpar performance on my low haste and high crit
xD
steel mauve
ya my RO is haste
steel mauve
750 haste is a lot, that pull was probably like 6 stacks though i think
steel mauve
its a worlds difference with that much haste
chilly brook
I don’t doubt it
Partially why I’m happy I don’t have it
Because I can’t miss what I never had
I can only imagine next raid tier losing all that haste
steel mauve
itll suck at the start, but there will most likely be a lot of make up with ilvl gear
i just hope we dont get stuck with our bis trait not being on raid gear again...
i dont like m+, so i rarely do it, and dont like rng withj the weekly chest to get a high one, had to get lucky on an emissary\
eager perch
@chilly brook Can you give me the link of your video ? :)
Oh and a last question. Is shield ilvl weight that big of a deal or nearly like ilvl on any gear? Cause i'm actually 371 ilvl (with double archive and deafening crash) but i only have a 300 shield. Can i hope for a huge tankiness buff on this side ?
eager perch
Really ? I tanked uldir hm yesterday and took serious damage but i thought it was mainly mistakes about defensive spells
eager perch
Are many attacks on uldir blockable ?
open bluff
if it's physical and not a dot, you can block it basically
vocal nimbus
you have a list of blockable/reflectable stuff in the pins
eager perch
Oh my bad didn't checked the pins, just red the icy veins guide, i'll check that thx!
lusty grotto
happy thanksgiving warries
you may think, i would post an amazing picture of Chef Nimchip
but i'd figure every other day of the year is better 😃
chilly brook
@eager perch https://youtu.be/p4M73w_EOH4
steel mauve
our biggest upgraded gear is shield, that will have the most bang for your buck ilvl upgrade
lyric moth
dumb-ish question on trinkets.. I have a 355 rezans, a DMD: Blockades, and 380 socketed vial of animated blood.
Which trinkets seem best of those?
hot locust
rezan/blockades defensively
lyric moth
OK thanks, I always have a hard time telling whether the DMD is even doing anything while I have it equipped, but I guess it's doing its magic in the background 😄
next ermine
daring marlin
@lyric moth If you don't need the defensiveness of the former trinkets, that vial is actually amazing in many situations.
and I'm INCREDIBLY jealous that you have it.
sick sentinel
yo i want to tank again, where do I start? What's the BiS traits atm?
daring marlin
sick sentinel
so just look on icy veins
real willow
Curious what your guys' general opinion is on whether blockades is worth taking for mythic progression
I wouldn't ever take it for heroic or anything but is the increased survivability worth it in your eyes for mythic?
plain vapor
its the best survivability trinket
if feeling squishy on some fights you can pop it on and see if it helps
steel mauve
pretty much, its really strong defensively
oblique garnet
Got fetid mythic down
We switched it up from me being offtank to mt and we got it down on 4 pulls
real willow
weird I would think that the other way is better since you can block terrible thrash
oblique garnet
Yeah but our othertank kept getting trucked by the boss and couldnt actually hold aggro so t was causing all kinds of issues
steel mauve
he does a fuck ton of melee dmg
which we also excel at, but you either take 1 big hit every like 6 seconds which is easily healed, or a fuck ton dmg over the whole fight
oblique garnet
I took less damage than the ot so idk xD
quiet perch
What kind of tank was the ot?
surreal stump
i killed it this week as ot, was fun, basically unkillable. till i ran outta healers lol
0 skills up in the enrage part hit me to about 20% health.. i tested it to see lol
oblique garnet
Dh was the ot
steel mauve
the class that gets absolutely wrecked
steel mauve
to be fair he would get wrecked either way lol
oblique garnet
Yeah
vocal nimbus
Dh is also good at fetid
He can cheese several under50% thrashes and copes well with the damage
steel mauve
as long as he survived the hit he has the tools to really heal himself up, and i believe absorbs to shutter the dmg
vocal nimbus
With meta, last resort and lr's meta he smoothes out a lot of thrashes in my guild
drowsy relic
Warriors should be OT on fetid, running heavy Repercussions, devestator and impending victory
chilly brook
Obvious troll is obvious
drowsy relic
You should have almost 100% uptime on SB and you’ll require no healing
That’s literally how limit did it so our guild did the same thing
chilly brook
You can do that without HR lawl
Yes I know how the fight works that’s why I’m saying your trolling is top notch
drowsy relic
You require no healing if you’re running it in ot
drowsy relic
The EHRPS was only 10k on the logs lmao
You literally heal yourself and block the trashes
As OT that’s massive
Unless you’re talking about heroic
steel mauve
but i get less than 10k running our standard build?
drowsy relic
Yeah limit had 7k on theirs , ours was still getting used to heavy repo
That’s insane for a prot warrior
chilly brook
HR has very little to do with EHRPS
drowsy relic
Lol
drowsy relic
Haste isn’t req for that fight
chilly brook
And even if you were running HR you would want ITF
More shield slams
Which means longer SB
And Devastator gives you no defensive value
steel mauve
btw, even with AM you can have block up for 100% of the thrashes
signal plover
I've seen some memey builds on M fetid
astral crystal
shawrus you can have sblock up for every thrash almost, the gaps you don't you can fill in with shield wall and externals
signal plover
I like taking boss melees the n that fight tho. It's a great test of my fortune telling abilities to see if he's gonna run away for 20 secs
astral crystal
i think i call for a single external the whole fight
chilly brook
You know what was the dead giveaway?
The fact that he said limit used prot warrior
They used double brew
@astral crystal I’m hard pressed to believe that he was actually serious and doing anything more than memeing
sick sentinel
I fucking finally did a M+ on time for a lvl I need
Felt like years since I did a key above +13
Of course I got the best trinket ever, thats best
Big dumb button
drowsy relic
withot heavy repo, youll have to block every single hit which is impossible with 12 second recharge (SB every 6 seconds with trash every 6.6ish seconds) - so if youre taking off hits you need to take heavy repo, otherwise you can just eat some and get extra healing for those
im talking about reclears from limit's tanks
Darkee and max was running it
chilly brook
No you don't have to block every hit and no it's not impossible to mitigate every hit
I have over 90% blocked thrashes without HR
drowsy relic
and IV was because we dont need haste ( you can run verse/mastery gear) you use SB once in the 14 second window to refresh the HR tanking both hits
and last stand isjust for a buffer inbetween
its not required, but its optimal
chilly brook
That's not counting externals or Shield Wall
chilly brook
You realize Shield Wall mitigates more than your block on thrash yea?
And you also realize HR benefits far more from ITF than you would from using IV?
drowsy relic
and its on a 4 min cd
chilly brook
Reduced by rage usage......
drowsy relic
but we dont need the haste buffer, since HR refreshes after one SB in the 14 second window
are you reading what im typing lol
we're talking about mythic fetid right?
chilly brook
Yes you're not comprehending how prot works
It doesn't matter if it's mythic or not
The mechanics are the same for tanks
drowsy relic
lol youre getting offended when im literally explaining how it works to you
chilly brook
I'm not offended \
What you're saying is literally worse than what the normal build is
More haste means lower CD on SB....which means more SBs which means less gaps
On top of having LS up more often
Because more rage generated and more rage spent
drowsy relic
you realise the haste wont make up for the 6.6 second trashes right?
so having higher SB wont matter
which is why you run heavy repo with one SB inbetween to buffer it
so it lasts the 2 trashes
chilly brook
lemme paint this picture for you
every single thrash mitigated
by myself
with no external help
with no HR
We
Don't
Need
Heavy
Repurcusions
It literally hurts you more than it helps
drowsy relic
if youre fast its a 3.30 fight (and thats like the fastests fights on mythic fetid)
in only 2 mins you already used a SW
and its a 4 min cd
you realise what you just pasted right?
chilly brook
You realize there are a million other externals? And I would also have LS back up?
And I also don't even have high haste
I don't even have haste Reorigination Array
drowsy relic
im talking about whats optimal
especially when alot of these warriors are still progging on mythic fetid
they wont have proper haste
and their healers might not even be good
or theyre not used to healer cds to call for
this build is simple for OT fetid and works better
steel mauve
thats just it, a lot of people are going to be progging mythic fetid, thats why you shouldnt spread misinformation about our talents
chilly brook
The irony?
You're talking about what's optimal but trying to push suboptimal talents
steel mauve
in no way shape or form should you ever not take anger management, its just too good
open bluff
Not sure if Shawrus realizes Anger Management is about 45-50% CDR on Fetid so SW turns into a little over 2 minutes instead of 4...
Not to mention ~75 second Last Stands
drowsy relic
youre still taking 3 trashes in the face if you run AM
in a 3.30 fight assuming youre in a world first guild
open bluff
You're doing it wrong then
steel mauve
and you can with bolster block every single thrash
open bluff
Last Stand is 2 thrashes alone
steel mauve
you cant just spam shield block and let it recharge between every one of em
open bluff
Even if you cast it at the start of a Thrash
steel mauve
and just use it right before thrash only
steel mauve
and thats a lot of assuming of being ina world first guild when 99.9% of the players here arent in it
most fights will last over 4 mins
chilly brook
Only 2 missed mitigations in an over 4 minute fight
steel mauve
which is easily 2 shield walls, and 3+ last stands
chilly brook
And one was due to what seems like an oddity
So your three thrashes to the face if using AM is already wrong
steel mauve
sounds like just a lot of absolutely wrong information, trying to spread it around
chilly brook
Like I said he's either a troll or drinking the Limit koolaid a little too hardcore
Just because someone is in Limit doesn't mean they're running the optimal build or even close to correct
Or that they're the best player of said class
@open bluff he also doesn't seem to understand that more haste means faster recharge of Shield Block and because of faster globals more rage generation which leads to faster CDs
open bluff
One thing at a time Griff 
open bluff
Don't want to overload people with logic
chilly brook
3 of those were on the monk
Which is why it's safe to assume that one of the 2 he took without a mitigation was due to some sort of threat issue
And it won't show IP in here
astral crystal
ya you can take them without anything
i mentioned this the other day
at high enough ilvl
just pop IP and you're gucci
chilly brook
Looking through the replay there's like a 3k DPS difference between the two tanks
at the time where he takes the first unmitigated
Atticus this is your log yea?
astral crystal
i get really sloppy during that fight because the threat of death is minimal save for the second phase
ye
and iirc there was a pull or two where the monk lost threat, i dont remember though
drowsy relic
on the logs it says he took 5? and the monk took 3?
chilly brook
From replay
astral crystal
if it was a kill
drowsy relic
or am i reading it wrong
4*
because of the CD on shield wall, youll generally have no mitigation or block for the last 2 or 3 trashes
assuming its -you need a block every 6.5 seconds
you block the first, block the second, third you block, stomp (so block up for 4th), last stand for 2 or 3
chilly brook
final mist
Fetid doesn't work like that though.
Thrash is anywhere from 6-20 seconds.
It's never always 6 seconds.
chilly brook
You realize there are gaps where Fetid doesn't do jack shit because of knockback or the feast
astral crystal
yeah he'll goof off with stomp or turn for a pustule or w/e then come back
final mist
No, it's generally not 6.
steel mauve
thrash is his lowest skill in his abilities list, lowest prioprity, so he'll literally do any thing else before thrash if it comes off cd
final mist
6 is the lowest, but it's never nearly close to generally 6.
chilly brook
I honestly don't know how to explain this to you at this point
astral crystal
idk what you guys are using the log for but if someone's progging on it, just make sure you have haste array and you'll only need one or two externals to cover potential bad luck with thrashes, not a huge deal
blissful whale
I haven't done it on prot so just asking
chilly brook
Without crit blocking anyways
I'll put it this way it's best to at least have demo up if you're not gonna have SB up
@astral crystal using the log to help prove a point that Heavy Repercussions is not the move for Mythic Fetid
And that you don't need it to have a mitigation up for each thrash
astral crystal
kumanji, probably generally not. i do it because of high ilvl pretty much, recommended to have it up though
drowsy relic
he used a raidwide shout for the third one lol
chilly brook
@final mist wanna get this joker out of here?
drowsy relic
and hes overgeared for the content obviously
idk why youre getting offended, imjust trying to have a discussion
this is a forum for talking about prot warrior right?
astral crystal
not sure what our first kill looked like, but i'm pretty sure i called for 2-3 externals to cover gaps
drowsy relic
yeah thats what I meant, youll need externals for gaps thats the difference with the builds
since you wont have block up for every trash
astral crystal
bop and mw shield iirc
drowsy relic
yeah
final mist
I'm not going to ban someone for disagreeing with you. That's not how this place works.
And Shawrus, calling for externals is basic tank 101 gameplay. It's a necessary skill.
astral crystal
yeah doesnt matter if your mit is up 100% or 70%, externals are always valuable
final mist
Playing HR is going to make you significantly weaker than AM.
drowsy relic
im just suggesting a build that works better for the fight imo, im always interested in hearing different builds
final mist
AM is more boss damage and add damage on an important DPS check, the differences are negligible.
steel mauve
the thing is though its not better
chilly brook
This is far less of a discussion and you trying to say that a suboptimal build is more optimal even when multiple people have told you why it's not
chilly brook
And HR DOES not work better for that fight
If it did every top warrior would run it
They don't
drowsy relic
i dont get why you cant get your point across without calling somoene online a troll or asking for a ban
just very immature
steel mauve
i mean you were presented with accurate info, reasoning why HR is not better, and with every one else explaining why
chilly brook
^
drowsy relic
no i addressed why haste wasnt requied from ITF, if youre running heavy repo, youll only needed one SB every 14 seconds
and youll have a SB and LS up for every trash
and since youre running HR, you can run devo for increased st damage on the adds
chilly brook
🤦
steel mauve
but you're also very adamantly saying HR is better, when its not, any where close to AM
drowsy relic
why is it not? since you do more damage?
steel mauve
since you do not need HR to mitigate every thrash its literally a wasted talent point not spent in AM
daring marlin
open skyhold
chilly brook
ITF is better for you period no matter what your 100 tier talent is
daring marlin
closing skyhold
primal crypt
AM....lol
drowsy relic
wasnt the haste bonus just to lower the recharge on SB?
steel mauve
if you needed HR to mitigate every single thrash then sure, it would have an occasional use, even if AM would still be better, but its a waste to take a talent you literally dont need
chilly brook
You realize Devastator is widely regarded as worse for DPS than Booming Voice yea?
Especially with the current way DC works
steel mauve
100% single target with 0 extra enemies, and you can stick to the boss, devestator is a very slight dps gain
defensively it doesnt beat BV though with rps
chilly brook
I guess it sucks that Fetid has disconnect time
final mist
ItF's Haste is for more than just SB's recharge. It lowering our GCD and other CDs also has a direct increase in RPS, which means your CDs like LS and DS are also reduced accordingly.
chilly brook
And ASSUMING that you are using Devastator again more reason to use ITF
faster autos
more resets on Shield Slam
drowsy relic
nah our tank ran BV, i said that was fine
final mist
The only way ItF loses to Punish is when you can't keep more than 2/3 stacks up, which is pretty hard to do for the entire fight.
drowsy relic
devastator was just a suggestion
chilly brook
I feel like this is deja vu
steel mauve
hes not tlaking about punish though, hes talking about IV
chilly brook
All of this information is stuff I've already said
Before I started calling him a troll
final mist
No it's not Griff, I scrolled back up. Literally the first response from you was calling him a troll.
But moving on
drowsy relic
nah the build i suggested just lets you self sustain without externals
chilly brook
It was more of a joke at that point
steel mauve
IV is just a really bad talent in general
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy relic
it allows you to push fetid even if you have mastery/vers gear
final mist
Stats are never a basis for why you can or can't do a boss.
final mist
If you're using stats as a crutch, you suck, that's not the stats or classes fault.
chilly brook
And even if you are mastery/verse heavy even more reason to run ITF.......
steel mauve
none of our stats are bad to be honest
final mist
Our secondaries are actually incredibly close together in terms of value.0
drowsy relic
nah the only reason i suggested IV was since haste wasnt required to keep SB up since the build is running HR
chilly brook
That's not how this works
final mist
But you shouldn't be running HR in the first place, and even if you were, ITF is still better because ITF is more Haste, which is more SSz
chilly brook
Haste literally benefits everything in our toolkit even HR
final mist
Which is more SB
steel mauve
there are a lot of other things to consider, first we arent a self sustain class, and our self sustain is pretty awful, second, in order to use IV, you need to not use another crucial ability
final mist
Griff, kindly fuck off and stop being so rude.
chilly brook
Well that's kinda rude
final mist
I don't think he's a troll, so stop it.
chilly brook
Nothing kind about that
final mist
There's a difference between misguided and legit trolling, and he's not a troll in my opinion, so stop with the snarky comments. You do it every time you disagree with someone or think they're a troll, which is incredibly often.
Step back, and chill out.
chilly brook
Just for you I will, but it's not like it's not frustrating when you actually give someone accurate info they turn it down and then others come in say the same thing and then it still gets turned down.
chilly brook
Well it got oddly dead in here
sick sentinel
At least you learned a valueable lesson
Give information
Dont correct people
Its what I do and always works
Especially when someone says something dead wrong, and someone else has to tell them they are wrong. A pie to the face.
fossil basalt
Prot suck should delete unsub
zinc creek
i'm playing my warr over my monk on grievous week lol
sick sentinel
I did a ML +13 today
Man grievous is way weaker to me i feel
since they adjusted it
sick sentinel
yup
zinc mauve
when? Today?
zinc creek
it's more punishing when at higher stacks
zinc mauve
got a link? i wanna read the deets
zinc mauve
yeah seems like it
sand egret
but if ya dont deal with it, it hurts more
sick sentinel
yup
Was with a druid healer, and he was able to just throw hots on me and stay in cat form and I would be fine
But the moment I got over 2 stacks he was using cds fast
But that comes with being a tank
I will say tho
The dps stay in griev far less compared to before
But we aren't going to see it again until week 10
sick sentinel
God I love Dungeon Finder as a tank
You can famine a M+ group real easy when they "Ask" for a bdk
Que, get declined and just watch as you do other things
Slowly, you see 1 dps leave, then the next
maybe the healer leaves
and they stop "Asking" and start begging
what are we doing
sick sentinel
Man
I thought +14 FH would be free
But apperently my healer/druid proved me wrong
even with the new bug
"the new bug" = ?
outer dew
^
dusky mica
cheating sharkpuncher probably
soft kindle
Pulling the boss without fighting the turtle
sick sentinel
I found somebody running this, educated them a bit and redirected them to this discord C:
soft kindle
Holy McYikers
sick sentinel
@outer dew @sick sentinel what Kabuto said but to elaborate. What you do is go into mythic FH, run to the shark boss, do the RP and do the whole thing up to turtle mini boss then run back to the begining then put your key in and do the m+
outer dew
oh that thing
sick sentinel
Just make sure to not leave the dungeon or talk to guy once u get to him
rough egret
@sand egret so i did test yesterday griveous vs Fireblood
It counts as 1 debuff
So 600+200
Even 5 sracks are just 1 debuff
ionic fern
Wait what's the CD on it?
I'm not sure if i should race change to LFD or Darkiron..both racials seem sick.
silk belfry
I found out that the Void Elf void walking racial can help you run the Orb.
nova rover
Heya guys, what’s a safe ilvl to start doing m+5?
oblique garnet
340
spice grove
People only invite you with 370ilvl+ or High Rio score to Push low keys (from my experience, good that i dont have to Run keys lower than 10 since Week 2 lol)
oblique garnet
Probably sooner if you get premade group you know
spice grove
If its your Key then 340/350 is good enough
If Not - pray that they are not inviting high ilvl only 😂
outer dew
Amount of low io 370s I see
nova rover
Ya know, we keep getting these high io score folk and hihg ilvl and they do not play their level
I’m at 340, just want to be overly cautious should I attempt pugs
oblique garnet
Pugging +5s are wild ride you might get good players gearing alts or those who have no clue what they are doing
ionic fern
I rage quitted about 3 +5's yesterday before finding a decent group of people.
nova rover
Oh ya.... believe me the random times we pug 1 into 8s oof
ionic fern
Bodypulling is the biggest offence here.
nova rover
I got yelled at by a rogue in Spanish today, he didn’t realize I spoke Spanish and one of the other dps was helping gear his wife
Was TD 0, only wile was at the last boss
Wipe
rough egret
At the end of my yesterday run they were surprised that its rare to see a good warrior
nova rover
Me healer almost thiumped a rando saying warrior tanks were trash
Hahaha not even shenko, he basically called me an amputee tank
vocal nimbus
Vaya tela 🤔
nova rover
You he said P**che tanque manco
vocal nimbus
Oh, NA
nova rover
Queldeanas server
oblique garnet
Last week the amount of carrying i had to do with explosives was insane its stupid how many people dont kill them
nova rover
But my healer is absolutely thrilled having me back on my warrior
I breezed through a 2 and was gonna test 4-6 at 340
urban walrus
Is there any math on the SB recharge change to overall SB uptime with bolster. AM etc?
errant wing
SB x 3 ls SBx 3
urban walrus
Thanks for the input green frog ;)
errant wing
np 😃
junior igloo
@urban walrus
The up-time on SB is just (6 / 16) * (1 + haste%)CDR from AM depends on your rage generation, but you can assume Bolster up-time a bit over 20 %
urban walrus
Assuming 100% up time, with 'average' 380 gear what is our active mitigation uptime like in 8.0 Vs 8.1
Is what I was thinking
When I get home I can do some looking into it myself but wondered what people had find already
tired cove
what azerite traits are you guys running for m+ assumging titans x2 defining crash ?
severe pond
x2 bfi 1x dc
silk mortar
If you want damage surely you can go 2x DC traits but i feel like that isnt optimal. I mostly go 2 BIf traits and 1 DC
But go for middle traits ones aswell
tired cove
ahhh okay thanks buddys
sick sentinel
Triple DC triple bastion in 8.1
sand egret
they capped DC’s extension, but DC still boosts damage on an ability that is ~40% of our dps
i personally run BFI x2 and DC but as someone who exclusively does M+ I make a strong case for gear with IV. For main traits though Im actually considering IFx3 DCx1 and hopefully get the two new ones
part of me really thinks 3x the new IS one is going to be quite strong in M+
sick sentinel
Skystep potion and being top overall top at the end of the dungeon, that's why
By the way, I have said again, if you spell reflect infest the worm just DIES
Useful for bolstering
That's new ty
oblique garnet
Not sure if its in the pins but you can also sr the wasting strike on lady and the beast in waycrest
The dot goes on the boss and does insane dmhg
sand egret
wait, like SR wasting strike it onto Lady or back on Mr.? yeah it trucks for sure and you can get about every other one
rough egret
Are there any new traits for prot in 8.1?
sick sentinel
Bastion of might
Avatat gives you fat mastery and a autocast IP on cast
And it replaces reinforced plating afaik
daring marlin
@outer dew
rough egret
Thx
glad sparrow
@urban walrus are you trying to see if HR would be viable in 8.1? I think most people will still run AM and bolster. The uptime on SB is pretty high currently and AM is just too good to give up. If the other talents in the level 60 their were stronger than bolster perhaps you could argue it. But I don't think HR will be worth giving up AM
sick sentinel
The buff in 8.1 makes HR weaker imo
steel mauve
it wont be, its not even that HR is bad, until they basically make it baseline, or absolutely destroy it with nerfs, its going to be our go to talent
just way too good to not take it
north dove
IP off the GCD yet?
ember arrow
Uhu
sick sentinel
@north dove in 3 weeks
north dove
Fun and Interactive
/wrists
my PC crapped the bed, just trying to decide if i should re-install on my macbook
brisk flax
when you been spamming for a shield since before raids dropped and still have a 350 >_<
bonus rolling and all lol
This game hates me this expansion
rough egret
Im still having the 350 boe axe
rough egret
I háve the one from vectis 370
brisk flax
ya i havent seen that drop not even once
just really shitty luck lol
spamming Atal'dazar 10s too
rough egret
Mine first atal 10 and i got 370 rezan
Now im spaming it for weapon
Ánd the shield ofc
Better stats
brisk flax
only have like a 360 rezans
rough egret
Then the one from vectis
brisk flax
youd think id get something decent
i think i got the weapon but i already have a 385 weapon
so 370 weapon is meh
rough egret
Sure
primal crypt
you must try harder
brisk flax
but shield >_<
primal crypt
haven't been trying hard enough
brisk flax
i guess not lol
rough egret
Mine Last under 370 are boots, weap and one ring
astral crystal
i had a 370 rezan's for a long ass time
vectis' shield dropped the other day finally
sick sentinel
Second mplus cache of the expac (my first +10 cache basically) was a 380+s TD shield
After I got a good weapon I basically switched to dps lootspec
median wigeon
Is there a supported or simple method to xfer live settings to PTR 1:1 ? Copying shit over is always scuffed
open bluff
so i already have a DC chest, worth ditching IF for a second DC at the cost of veins (i have two currently, so i wouldn't lose it entirely)?
open bluff
yeah, that's kind of what i was thinking
plus the DC shoulders also have gemhide so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i guess i'll try the second DC, not like i have trouble surviving for the content i do
tender brook
Hey guys im an arms warrior who wants to start tanking ^_^ where i should start from?
Can i tank m+ with my arms gear? Im 383 arms
primal crypt
no
tender brook
Mythic
urban walrus
NO
primal crypt
very sad
tender brook
Kidding right?
urban walrus
Yes... - Prot is fine for mythic 8/8
primal crypt
Now go read the pins
urban walrus
2 days a week raiding and Ghuun 1%
primal crypt
Read the pins and become a great prot warrior
urban walrus
and I'm bad at the game
tender brook
Ty 😍
urban walrus
Then again, you might find it easier with another tank - but that doesnt make prot bad
Just you
❤
open bluff
who wants to actually afk through content tho
steel mauve
since our stats are so close together defensively, you can easily tank in arms gear as long as you have a decent shield
sand egret
if he’s 383 he’s gonna be afk anyway in most M+ haha
oblique garnet
Im not bad at the game
Its just that playing bdk
Made me realize how fucking op they are
outer dew
@daring marlin sup babe
neon tangle
@oblique garnet it’s pretty absurd how much easier they are to be OK at
rough egret
Thats why I left my monk and start with warr
ember arrow
Preaching to the choir
coral dew
What do you guys think about Impending Victory being prot baseline
vocal nimbus
meh
winter pulsar
Started leveling a warrior to 120 and out of curiosity checked out bloodmallet and herodamage and noticed there's no Sims for protection warr? Any reason for that?
vocal nimbus
Simc's module for prot warrior is broken
Some people are working on it as a side job
A really far away side job
steel mauve
Iv wouldnt be good as a baseline
The part about using IV is that you cant use some thing else
winter pulsar
Oh man, doesn't sound fun. Too bad though, so basically just simc everything?
vocal nimbus
On the contraryu
Dont sim anything
Follow the stat priority on the guides or ask here
winter pulsar
Oohhh gotcha!
vocal nimbus
No simmerino bambino
winter pulsar
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
steel mauve
The module isnt working, and its on the back burner, on the list but theres so much on the plate of the person who's working on it
winter pulsar
It's all on one person? Damn.
steel mauve
Its a situation where every one wants it, they complain about it, but very very few are stepping up to help
robust bronze
quick question , for this week in m+ is it better to go for azrite veins for more selfsustain?
cobalt trellis
how do you choose between rings? stats vs item level? mainly for m+
winter pulsar
Well shit, if I knew anything about sims I'd love to help. Someone help the person out!
sick sentinel
@cobalt trellis it can depend, try to go always go for haste rings and if the jump is about 5-10 ilvls don't worry too much unless it gives more haste, if it's 15 or higher then consider switching
chilly brook
@coral dew the thing about IV is if it was baseline it would still only really be lackluster, it might save you once every so often but it’s not really how we work, it just doesn’t really seem to fit in with our toolkit
Not saying it wouldn’t be nice or helpful sometimes
@winter pulsar personally I don’t sacrifice ilvl for stats on rings
urban walrus
Idd I agree, the stam is a nice bonus
chilly brook
They’re one of our heaviest secondary stat items and since they’re so close together you typically get enough of a boost from stam and the other secondaries that I’d say it’s worth 5ilvls
Unless you’re in Uldir and you’re gonna lose your haste reorigination
round vortex
I have a shit choice to make i would love everyones input? WHile we are talking rings
Halp!
For reference I wanna choose one of those rings for my second slot. My first slot is this:
sand egret
yeah 2 and 3 look solid
jade wyvern
any mythic ghuun tips? having to step in
stray tiger
having 10%+ versatility is a nice tip i think
silk yoke
Try again
ember arrow
not really much of an advice in #protection
especially notw that everyones overgearing the raid
stray tiger
😄
sick sentinel
I have like 1% vers
native monolith
@jade wyvern its Ghun overall tip, but spell reflect negates the debuff. And if u are taking the big add, be sure to have SB uptime (LS up basically)
astral crystal
what debuff
explosive corruption or w/e?
pretty sure that's only cast in p1 on mythic
jade wyvern
as a dps i know its cast in p3. idk about on tank tho
solemn kelp
Hey there prot wars, dunno if you remember me, I was the tank doing 4k dps a week or so ago. Thanks to your advice I'm doing 50% higher dps now, and I'm still working on improving that. So many thanks for your friendly and decisive input.
errant wing
gj mate
steel mauve
it doesnt target tanks after p1, and he doesnt cast it in p2
but he does cast explosive corruption in p3
just watch dbm and spell reflect right before the dbm timer falls off
and leyton, thats what we're here for, we try to educate and inform people here, so if you do have any further questions feel free to ask
sand egret
great job dude, keep it up!
native monolith
@astral crystal Yes. Explosive Corruption, on P1 u can pre cast spell reflect, if it targets you, its denied. And on P2 you can ignore every single one. P3 tanks arent targeted
vocal nimbus
@jade wyvern you should aim to SR 2nd and 4th explosive corruption throughout p2
the timing then lets you be on the blood cleansing thing without an explosive debuff
bitter willow
How does Archive of the Titans fare outside of Uldir? I wonder if I should stick to it generally (240 str at max) or take Iron Fortress for non-uldir content
median perch
he knows
bitter willow
Yes, my question was whether it's worht it without origination array or if I should just get Iron Fortress
lavish oracle
How am I just now realizing I can bring a fuckton of lightfoot potions for necrotic weeks? lol
glacial wigeon
hello im a new (noob) prot warrior and i have a question for you my fellow warriors i google it before but cant find the answer. Why my Demo shout have 15 sec cd?
shut summit
pvp talent with warmode on
glacial wigeon
dam it was to good to be real lol thx
supple path
Lightfoot potions are honestly amazing in a lot of cases - tons of situations where they allow you to kite a lot better too.
steel mauve
if same ilvl pieces bfi/if are better defensively than archive, and archive is better offensively outside of uldir
@vocal nimbus there is no explosive corruption in p2 on mythic
sick sentinel
@supple path I use nitro boots on my belt and get the same result but yeah it is amazing
bitter willow
I'm still improving and learning to play prot warr better this expansion, but is there really a point/stage where you want to be more offensive than defensive in your azerite choice, unless you're speeding through low levle keys?
steel mauve
in m+ tank dps matters a lot
you get where you dont die, or dont die as quickly, and just go offensive and kill things faster, the faster things die, the less damage you take as a tank is an actual tactic
bitter willow
But given our survivability in most circumstances, isn't that a big risk?
steel mauve
we are nearly the only tank who can face tank longer than any other tank, so idk what you mean by a risk
our survival is pretty good with blocking things, magic dmg still sucks, but the reason we are slated so low is mostly utility reasons, we bring nothing but pure dmg, which we are the highest dps tank, and the least amount of dmg taken, we dont really bring much in terms of utility
other tanks can kite better than us, have ranged silences/interrupts, displace things and grip things
supple path
We have a lot of "bad defensive trait vs good offensive trait" trade-offs in second ring
steel mauve
our biggest threats to our survival are mostly high/constant magic dmg, and "throw rock/shoot"
sick sentinel
If you are really tough to kill your healer can dps
supple path
I honestly do wonder at what the actual value is of defensive trait allowing healer to nuke more vs offensive trait.
bitter willow
Hm. If it's about letting healer dps more then I'd rather do it myself . It's probably gonna be higher. Anyway. At 364 ilvl with bad secondary stats I'm far from there 😛
steel mauve
there are no bad secondary stats...
all of our stats are good, and extremely close to each other defensively, just haste is slightly better than every thing else, which is why almost all the time ilvl highest in our stats priority, outside of a few circumstances
steel mauve
Parry
Ive seen people trying to go major crit builds for m+
Its unreliable, but its not a bad stat
chilly brook
In this episode of Today in Stupid:
lavish oracle
I've heard Method's M+ team is considering Prot for a few dungeons in the next MDI
I can't verify it, though. Heard it from a guildy
lavish oracle
Yeah, I heard for Freehold and UR
Freehold for the crazy AoE and the fact that it's pretty AA-damage heavy
and UR for spell reflect on tyrannical
worthy dagger
you can spell reflect for 100k damage depending on the boss
fickle geyser
u can reflect the aoe or what?
steel mauve
Aoe spells cant be reflected, only the 20% dr would effect it, but there are some spells there that are single target that can reflect back for insane dmg
sick sentinel
Sorry I read shrine for some reason, disregard what I said
fickle geyser
that makes more sense 😃
bitter willow
Huh. Crit = parry. Forgot about that. Thanks. Really gonna change the way I see my rings.
lavish oracle
Yeah, considering bringing a butcher's block for next week's M+
bitter willow
How much ilvl hit is worth taking to get Deafening crash on an item (Assuming we have 0 point)
stone crag
pre-8.1 around 30 ilevels
bitter willow
Woh.
I read on the forums recently that wDPS mattered more than we thought for Ignore Pain, but I just got a 35 ilvl upgrade and my IP only went up by like 1k :/
bitter willow
Should've kept those earlier pieces >< O well, should be easy to run another normal and get one
steel mauve
it was napkin mathed out that DC is about 6% DR, and 15 ilvls is roughly 2% DR, but that can change situationally, but thats about the best we have
but you really should always have one until 8.1 hits
lavish oracle
It probably won't be super relevant in 8.1 given how many class traits we'll get
stone crag
the amount of traits don't matter nearly as much as the strength of a trait
sand egret
but the point is having it
more traits helps that
as its not one normally meant to be stacked, thus the chances of you finding it on a given piece of gear is tripled
steel mauve
itll still be pretty good in 8.1, but its not gonna be so brokenly op that you cant replace it unless with another one
daring marlin
The raid has so many DC pieces in it.
The odds of not having at least one DC will be...yeah
sand egret
i think getting DC will be a non-issue tbh
daring marlin
can actually targeted farm it
sand egret
the real question will be what the OTHER 5 traits are
daring marlin
gimme some callous reprisals
stone crag
yikes
sand egret
sounded like CR was yikes :/
daring marlin
Don't see how. Gimme more AoE damage.
stone crag
i did say around 30, which is accurate because in the guides it mentions at least 25
🤔
daring marlin
old news
stone crag
Cr is trash
stone crag
good you have an opinion
steel mauve
ya, the guide wasnt updated with that informaiton, but one of the val'kyr a few weeks later than that, which was like a couple months ago actually did quick napkin math about it
quartz tulip
d
steel mauve
but it was basically you had to have seen it because i dont think it was updated in the pins or the guide
magic chasm
Just started weakauras addon and oh man that has changed my life
I would like to assign my keybinds to them to help me remember the skills. Anyone know how?
steel mauve
make a new weakaura text only, make the text the keybind and put it on top of the weakaura
might need to create a new group and group them together and make sure a setting is turned on on the text weakaura
the drop down box for frame strata needs to be selected as inherited to make sure the text rests on top
quartz tulip
sup guys
Anyone using the method dungeon tools have some routes to get me through? preferably something not so elaborate. because premade is complicated
cinder nova
@quartz tulip QuestionablyEpic.com
quartz tulip
ty 😃
tight cipher
Hey peeps, is Callous Reprisal good for prot pve?
primal crypt
Good question lol
steel mauve
tight cipher
Oh so it sucks shit got it thanks XD
steel mauve
its kind of situationally difficult to keep up where as there are just other better options
thorn yarrow
its not that it "sucks" its just that DC is so broken that nothing can compete for #1
for now
steel mauve
again, its a list, some thing always has to be on bottom
its not terrible, just its hard to keep up and refresh and track since its on revenge
steel mauve
375
steel mauve
shield is always higher ilvl no matter what, its the only way we can increase the amount of dmg we block