oh the blood things he spawns. got it
#protection
merry bane
old night
ya
the main source of dps check for that
should help a lot of guilds clear it which is good
merry bane
that isnt even the struggle though most times
signal plover
If they cant do the fuckin circles on fetid then imo soaks/stack management on Vectis and every mechanic on zek will be just as much of a problem
old night
generally if you clear zek/vectis you can handle fetid
outer dew
you can micromanage people a lot easier
merry bane
LOL I heard of him @lusty grotto he always asks if the enemy wants to supersize before he wrecks their face
old night
thats great lol
lusty grotto
😮
signal plover
We're talking in the context of which to do as 3rd boss in a pug @old night
Cuz someone asked
old night
OH GOD PUG FETID YUCK
old night
i was like
merry bane
ugh. I have tried Pugging Uldir. not fun.
old night
wtf
outer dew
i mean
even doing it with some guilds is a pain
i'm not looking foward for my current shit
merry bane
especially RF. Now I just go in and see how many I can get with my mole machine buff
old night
take a shot everytime tofu starts a sentence iwth "i mean"
signal plover
Up through this week yeah
old night
you'll be fucked by thanksgiving
outer dew
bruh
dude
I was doing that last night
LMAO
whenever i reflexively say "I don't appreciate this"
signal plover
But add nerf, paroxysm dmg nerf are coming next week.
outer dew
or "you can't just say that"
old night
i mean
outer dew
i took a shot because we were missing a good chunk of roster
merry bane
I am full 370 plus. so I have no need for normals anymore on my warrior. just do normals for the free explusom
outer dew
so we just made it a drinking night
old night
@outer dew ❤
outer dew
<333
sand egret
I mean...
old night
BLADE ❤
old night
actual photo of @sand egret and I in pvp
old night
president ronnie
sand egret
who else?
old night
my gf is a huge a retro gamer. she actually beat bad dudes and super metroid
both of which are insanely hard
i could never finish super metroid
merry bane
So as warriors how do we deal with grievous. is there a way to not take it?
sand egret
oh tell her to beat the bike part of Battletoadz....0
sand egret
respect
robust wave
Hey, for Rings. I have a 340 w/haste. Or a 370 w/o haste. Gotta use the 370, right?
merry bane
what do you mean. like do what you do in Atal Dazar with the fat green guys
outer dew
aite bois
sand egret
tbh Freedom, I ran a bunch last night and grevious was a joke
old night
yeah
outer dew
real talk
sand egret
noticeably easier
merry bane
I guess my healer was a joke.
old night
its not terrible as long as you dont have a garbo healer
outer dew
Fried Chicken or Pizza?
merry bane
I wasnt kiting ebcause it was Motherlode and cant manuver too much but
lusty grotto
Butter Chicken Pizza
outer dew
fuck
lusty grotto
👍
outer dew
AITE
signal plover
Fried tofu chicken
outer dew
PIZZA IT IS
lusty grotto
ROFL
outer dew
i mean
signal plover
On pizza
old night
take a hsot
sand egret
grevious punishes hard mate
outer dew
i'll gladly start drinking if someone does too
old night
im at work
outer dew
I AIN'T DRINKING SOLO
lusty grotto
no need to kite @merry bane unless its a 12+ maybe
merry bane
yes it does. gets worse the longer its on yoiu
merry bane
dude I had like 3-5 stacks
signal plover
I can't believe we havent been disciplined by a mod like all week
lusty grotto
i'm drinking since 2 hours ago @ work
signal plover
We must be super cool
sand egret
the thing is, you need to make it so ya dont dip
lusty grotto
because i'm allowed to have beer
sand egret
your healer also needs to be on that shit
old night
even then it isn't too awful. Did an 11 and didnt notice it too much
only time it hurt was the pack before the totem boi boss
sand egret
warriors dont dip so we can make that 10% of hp really work
old night
@lusty grotto what cool job do you have
merry bane
so I need a good healer. which is hard to find pugging lol
sand egret
also, if you fet a victory rush proc, i use them to try and reset stacks
merry bane
I always use VR when it pops
old night
i had a victory rush crit and a fat holy shock the other night
sand egret
i pugged all of mine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
merry bane
free healing
old night
made my toes tingle
lusty grotto
i'm a java developer
we are allowed to drink 1 to 2 beers
but since today is thanksgiving eve
i said fuck that and i'm up to 5
sand egret
i took the week off 😃
lusty grotto
lol i feel you
sand egret
hahaha
old night
i wanna slip out the back tho like alex mack in an hour
just puddle my ass out of here
lusty grotto
i mean i get that when i'm meeting with users
with clients i do fine
but users...
sand egret
ahem
lusty grotto
i need about 10 cigarettes after
sand egret
do you do FTUE tests?
lusty grotto
listen man
sand egret
because there is nothing that makes you fear for the future of the human race
old night
so im a video editor and photographer (GET IT. FILMSTRIPS HUEHUEHUE)
lusty grotto
i get first time user
sand egret
than watching a person navigate a FTUE
lusty grotto
i have patience for that
old night
the amount of booty ass messages I get like "im an influencer on youtube can you do my headshots for exPoSuRe?"
lusty grotto
LOL
old night
real talk blade id do your headshots for free
sand egret
tell em your boys got that ill booty claps
old night
no because shit like that is what makes freelance photogs look creepy af
sand egret
haha you aint wrong
lusty grotto
lol
old night
but ive worked with female models before that have had YIKES experiences
its too easy nowadays for random shit photogs to say they are something they aren't to get chicks
lusty grotto
listen, let me tell you.. doing freelance shit out of a favor feels like shit afterwards
and by favor i mean
you know
sand egret
fritos?
surreal stump
yes\
lusty grotto
fritos? what the fuck... doritos
sand egret
as expected from someone sportin that mog
lusty grotto
let me tell, you doritos bring out the zest in a basic ham and cheese sandwich
and also taco bell tacos
old night
i once new this kid in 5th grade
lusty grotto
that sounds awesome filmstrips
sand egret
O_o
sand egret
i read that as pretzels
old night
normal-ish kid until college then he started robbing people and well, thats illegal
but yeah, ill never forget him because of the pickel tacos
lusty grotto
ewww
sand egret
warning sign
lusty grotto
so am i
sand egret
like ugly mogs
lusty grotto
me boricua
old night
@lusty grotto 🤜 🤛
lusty grotto
so when tofu started talking about rice
outer dew
what
lusty grotto
i just kept my mouth shut cause i'm hella biased
outer dew
when did i start talking about rice?
lusty grotto
yesterday
lusty grotto
oh that's right fuck
old night
smdh
chilly brook
So
lusty grotto
it was griff !
chilly brook
I watched Preach's video from yesterday
old night
griff was talking about bitchin salads yesterday
chilly brook
And It hurts me
old night
and ig ot salad for lunch because of him
chilly brook
Complains about prot warrior's design
doesn't make use of his CDs
holds onto DS
skips TC windows in avatar
old night
oh man, i can link a clip of my co tank ROASTING this healer in my guild on fetid for shit talking prot
kid got massacred
old night
sec lemme find it
also i fixed the sentence
co tank roasted this healer for being ignorant
neat lagoon
so in 8.1 is last stand coming off global?
chilly brook
wadu hek
It's already off gcd
uses IP over shield block
Why am I willfully destroying my image of preach
neat lagoon
wait than whats the changes that i heard that are coming to IP
sorry i mean ignore paoin
neat lagoon
was reading above lol
neat lagoon
doubling up on IP seems to kinda suck anyway
chilly brook
yea
sand egret
70% sucky!
chilly brook
it's a good change that'll keep people from actually hurting themselves rage wise (referring to the cooldown)
sand egret
lol wut is that title
chilly brook
Granted
It's heroic
But not one use of last stand
Or shield wall
complains at the begging of the dungeon about prot class design
🤦
sand egret
but he talks a out prot?
chilly brook
It's a small part at the start
sand egret
ahh, ill have to check it out
chilly brook
"So we're obviously on the prot warrior before we say good day and goodbye to the terrible awful design of this class, spec nightmare fuel that it is and the number of fixes that apparently must wait until the next expansion but I'm kinda driving myself crazy trying to think of that"
@hot locust
hot locust
Yeah I know, but the video as a whole is just about tanking in general
chilly brook
yes
hot locust
He's not wrong though.
he is exaggerating the next expansion thing, when he means next patch but whatever.
chilly brook
I don't find the design awful unless you're comparing to brewmaster but we've beat that horse to death
There are some tuning issues but is it awful? no
hot locust
The changes for prot from legion to BFA outside of getting rid of Bcry and adding in avatar, were awful.
Things that just make the class less fun than it was before.
chilly brook
I prefer current IP
hot locust
Is it still fun? Yes. Is it as fun? no.
neat lagoon
Well I still havent found a tank that does more dps than my warrior
chilly brook
For sure
hot locust
I prefer 8.1 IP
old night
id agree with lala on that
chilly brook
Which IP was the huge change to prot warrior
hot locust
I can't stand the game now that I have played on 8.1 PTR for all the raid testing.
chilly brook
I'm not talking about it being on the GCD
sand egret
LOLOLO @old night
neat lagoon
IP was the most OP mitigation in Legion, there is no way that a Tank should be top HPS on almost every fight in Antorus lol
sand egret
body bagged
chilly brook
It being off the GCD or on it is minor in terms of whether or not it's a fair design when it comes to mitigation
I far prefer the way it mitigates now than in legion
old night
my co tank is the one delivering the roasting. we're super close so he takes shit like that personal
hot locust
No but it's significantly better feel of play.
hot locust
I'm not talking about balance when I'm talking about design
that's entirely seperate
design is about how stuff operates and feels, the numbers behind it come later.
chilly brook
Then that's really the only real change from legion outside of TC spam
neat lagoon
i dont terribly hate how the class feels to play, but even when played right the class seems week
chilly brook
SB CD change is arguably a balance change
sand egret
yeah film, dude got fact checked HARD. what class is your cotank?
hot locust
Sure, but it changes how you function as a class when your main mitigation becomes so sparse.
and so expensive 👀
neat lagoon
well too expensive for just being a melee only mitigation
chilly brook
The only thing that I really noticed after prepatch was everything that was now on the GCD
primal crypt
@old night LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
hot locust
You didn't notice the massive difference in rage?
primal crypt
this twitch clip
hot locust
We're generating literally a third of what we were in Antorus.
primal crypt
is amazing
chilly brook
Yes
primal crypt
Well done Gabe
chilly brook
You are correct
I didn't say we weren't generating less rage though
But if you were running t21 4 piece you also didn't notice because your IP was never gone
hot locust
in regards to IP
🤔
My point is that there were a lot more changes.
that actually had significant impact on feel and gameplay.
chilly brook
Gameplay wise we still do the same shit, IP is just on the GCD with us spamming TC in avatar
chilly brook
And tbh I personally prefer it being a little slower
Not saying that Legion spamfest wasn't fun
But damn my wrist
hot locust
I'd prefer ToS era
chilly brook
And I can't comment cuz I didn't prot warrior in ToS
old night
ToS prot was so god dman fun
old night
everything felt great
hot locust
It was just the right balance between speed and decision making.
old night
the icing on the cake was Sco roasting prot was the worst tank for ToS
hot locust
Wheras Antorus is heavy on the speed side and Uldir is heavy on the decision making side.
old night
and we were a sleeper fucking tank
old night
antorus prot was slightly too much, fun but like
chilly brook
lmao
old night
that rage waterfall got old quick
chilly brook
I think we've established not to take Sco too seriously by now
astral crystal
it was too fun and too fast, this is why it was wrong
prot discord pls, youre breaking my heart
primal crypt
but he's BiS BrM
cinder nova
I'm going to be honest
Most of Legion Prot was garbage and propped up by leggos, traits, and tier
astral crystal
i mean the same could be said of a bunch of other classes?
chilly brook
I didn't say antorus was too fun
cinder nova
All of it together was great
chilly brook
I just said it was too fast
cinder nova
Not for a bunch of tanks, though
astral crystal
legendaries were literally part of class design
so were traits
so that's a non-point youre making there
it's the reason why several classes had traits baked in
old night
like cold heart
astral crystal
or offered as talent choices
cinder nova
Hence why propped up
cinder nova
when we lost those traits, we lost a mountain of power and capability
chilly brook
Like if we took t21 4 piece baked it into the class, put everything that was on the GCD back off the GCD for prot it would be perfect imo
primal crypt
Reflective plating
old night
kind of? i still feel like ignore pain is a band aid fix they never removed
cinder nova
Reflective Plating, Shield Training
neat lagoon
i think we're forgetting that Azerite is what ruined this expansion, more than class design
chilly brook
No it's both tbh @neat lagoon
Ever since the removal of talent trees and the continued homogenization of the classes they've continued to try and put things in to bandaid it
old night
ignore pain
neat lagoon
dont get me wrong my warrior gets beat on more compared than my other tanks but I still enjoy playing the warrior the most
chilly brook
legendaries, artifacts, azerite etc.
It's all just trying to fix symptoms of the problem
The game was designed around these things that have since been removed
chilly brook
MoP
neat lagoon
meaning that i like it and it was good
neat lagoon
😄
chilly brook
And be tanking
chilly brook
I mean just another example of a system put in place to try and fix problems that started existing after the continued removal of systems that were the pillars of class design
When can I get another MMORPG that's actually an RPG please?
chilly brook
No that's not at all what I'm saying
old night
oh gotcha
chilly brook
What I am saying is that there was a fundamental change in game design and the game has been adapted to be something that it was never intended to be
cinder nova
Blizzard had a mission statement develop around the transition from Cata to MoP.
chilly brook
And everytime we have a new system come into the game to provide us "more choice" it's just a symptom of that problem
cinder nova
"Easy to learn difficult to master."
They had it become the central focus of all Blizzard game design.
That's where and when the shift occurred.
chilly brook
Sure we can nitpick those stats like hit and other stuff
but tbh that was part of the gearing process
and it felt like far more of an rpg
but hey what's the point of reminiscing something that's never coming back
coarse gale
Darkmoon deck or critical proc 380 trinket for defensive/offensive?
neat lagoon
darkmoon prolly
chilly brook
The allure of classic wasn't the raiding difficulty
neat lagoon
whats the other trinket
chilly brook
Depends
neat lagoon
also what content are you running?
coarse gale
But still crit offers some deffense
neat lagoon
lol i tank with H Ghuun trinket and H Vectis trinket with socket
coarse gale
and its 355 vs 380
cinder nova
I can't wait for people to inspect my leveling gear and get shitty over how much spirit I wear as a warrior.
chilly brook
@cinder nova the allure of classic is the journey and the experience of actually having to group to get shit done, and earning everything not having it handed to you by some lucky TF
Spirit
coarse gale
Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block
chilly brook
DMD is BiS for surv
the answer is really if you need the surv you use it if not don't
cinder nova
Yeah one of my friends mocked me for having spirit on my gear when i was leveling my 3rd toon as a warr
But his downtime between mobs was massive
coarse gale
I see, ty
old night
oh man the classic argument. played classic, i have zero interest in it. the whole "allure of gearing and becoming someone" is not what classic is about
cinder nova
Even though his kill times were faster than mine
chilly brook
No it's not but like I said classic is about the journey
old night
my journey of getting fucked by dkp for 3 years
steel mauve
i played classic, ill probably play on the classic servers, but i remember how fucking hard literally every thing was, and how grindy and shitty the game was back then
cinder nova
^
vocal nimbus
dkp is bad but good
neat lagoon
but yeah Griff its a terrible feeling when you're a Tank and you're own dps is carrying an entire other player. all you see is a Hydrocore at the end of a key and the dps gettin carried gets a swtt TF
steel mauve
ive always done loot council/lootzar
vocal nimbus
good for guilds with item whores
primal crypt
somehow I transmogged my main hand into a boot
vocal nimbus
bad for good guilds
primal crypt
and I can't seem to change anything else lol
old night
I played rogue in vanilla . I got shafted for months by it and then proceeded to shaft every other rogue for most of BWL because of my perfect attendance
sand egret
i need to get that mythic transmog
old night
that DKP gap widens and becomes uncontrollable at a certain point
old night
yup
sand egret
dkp sucked
old night
royally
old night
No joke I basically defaulted an entire bloodfang set off the go because of how much DKP i saved by getting shafted
cinder nova
What even is the point.
chilly brook
I don't even remember the type of DKP system I used
sand egret
yeah that system was horrible for that shit Film
old night
yup
chilly brook
DKP has advantages and disadvantages
old night
My thing is this. I played vanilla and it was great for the time but i think a lot of people look at it with rose tinted glasses as some kind of perfect game when it wasn't at all. I cleared every raid with the exception of Naxx40 (2 wings down). I dont wanna go back. I think vanilla has it's own fair share of problems and comparing it to retail is dumb as the game isn't even the same anymore
chilly brook
It certainly kept people coming to raid
cinder nova
Dude
Film
I feel you
When I went to Wetlands for the first time
I was fucking PISSED they didn't have a warrior trainer
WHOLE BARRACKS FULL OF GUARDS
WHY NO TRAINER?
THERAMORE HAS ONE
neat lagoon
yeah but dont hate on Wetlands bro
chilly brook
That's the point @old night vanilla wow and current wow are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAMES
sand egret
uhh I think Hellfire would be fine on mythic barring the first part
cinder nova
FUCK YOU MENATHIL
old night
let me tell you how excited I was to have to go to the trainer and pay out the ass to go combat for every raid
sand egret
haha
cinder nova
The idea of having to stop all questing to go train was pants-on-head retarded.
neat lagoon
what about the terrible Beserker stance questline
old night
this 19 year old kid (im 29 btw) in my guild was talking about how he wants to bear tank classic
cinder nova
And served no valuable purpose.
chilly brook
The entire mentality behind the design of WoW has fundamentally shifted
sand egret
resto? you mean the spec that got innervate
neat lagoon
it was too long
chilly brook
TBC fixed a lot of issues with vanilla
cinder nova
It was literally just going to an island and fighting
neat lagoon
as alliance a lot of running
chilly brook
and Wrath added in some nice QoL changes
old night
except awful raid design
steel mauve
i want wotlk servers
cinder nova
Tell you what tho
old night
wrath to me was the first "perfect" version of wow
cinder nova
that feel when you get thrash blade
oof
yum
I had a thrash blade and flurry axe for leveling because I got retard lucky
old night
the things I do miss about vanilla. Applying deadly poison with corehound tooth. that 1.4 speed. Oooooffff
chilly brook
I wish we could go back in time and have a diversion of history where Blizz continued on the Wrath path instead of the Cata path
neat lagoon
WOTLK probably had some the best raid mechanics imo
cinder nova
Lol @ hitcap as a tank
old night
ya
old night
2 tanks per horseman
cinder nova
^
old night
and each tank needed their 6 piece set
chilly brook
Yea
sand egret
hmmm
sand egret
yeah in pretty damn sure thats not what we did
old night
my brother downed KT tho. one of like.. I forgot how many guilds at the time
chilly brook
I mean if you're thinking Wrath it's not what you did
cinder nova
There was under 500 guilds that cleared Naxx.
old night
he was in Continuum if you have ever heard of em
cinder nova
Less than that verified.
old night
they were huge in vanilla is all i remember
cinder nova
A bear cotank we recruited then dropped within 2 weeks said in an interview he tanked naxx in vanilla
And I asked what guild
He couldn't remember, but said they found him while leveling and asked if he wanted to raid tank
and said they carried him and fed gear
sand egret
mmmk
cinder nova
All the officers just bought that retarded lie face-first.
old night
what lololol
cinder nova
But to me it was an instant red flag
old night
yeah that didnt happen lol
cinder nova
It most definitely did not.
I knew he was a bullshitter
"oh man i died to thrash"
Use a fucking cooldown then you mongoloid
old night
my brother hopped into continuum when they were starting MC and got hella lucky that the guild he joined rose to one of the top guilds in vanilla
mine was just a comparable "mythic guild nowadays" type of guild. did decent prog but wasn't server first or anything
chilly brook
why tf are potions such a pain in the fucking ass to make
We just came off an expansion where they had a good balance imo and now they're a fucking chore
Actually
That's true of every fucking profession rn
steel mauve
dont worry, i have 900 sanguicells as an alch
chilly brook
same....
old night
its not terrible if you have guildies help
old night
we usually do a 5 person herb run, collect, and craft
chilly brook
o
old night
do guilds not do that lol
we have like 200 of each flask in the gbank rn along with like 100 vantus runes and about 3 rows of each prepot
just go once or twice a week
to farm that is
chilly brook
Must be nice
chilly brook
most of the times pots have been expected to be brought personally in my experience
Which wasn't a huge deal until this fucking xpac
chilly brook
here's some rng on top of your rng
oh you need 10 of each herb for ONE FUCKING POTION with the CHANCE at multiple
neat lagoon
Nah some of the guilds I have been in normally have that terrible older lady that likes to just farm pets and herbs and she drops the cauldrons while the guild carries her less than healer dps
cinder nova
Guild moms.
neat lagoon
basically
old night
oh god
neat lagoon
but im always the players whos like "GET HER THE FUCK OUT"
cinder nova
All the guild moms I've had brushes with were able to carry their weight fine so I guess I'm lucky
chilly brook
I fucking hate this expansions direction if I'm being brutally honest
cinder nova
One of them took a shine to me, treated me like a son. Was a weird relationship.
old night
they all have like 40 characters at 310 ilvl with wrong talents
chilly brook
So many boneheaded moves
old night
middle of boss "hold on hubby is calling me"
neat lagoon
Griff im there with ya, taking all I got to stay subcribed
sand egret
i hate the term hubby
chilly brook
I hate activision
sand egret
hubby is just like the “moist” of relationship pet names
cinder nova
sand egret
I take it you’re not a dad?
sand egret
then lol
old night
same
old night
my gf bought me this
sand egret
then again, that kinda irony makes me laugh
old night
cinder nova
#protection gone in so many circles over our spec that we're just being goons now until some greenhorn comes in with a question that's answered by pins
sand egret
very edgy mug
cinder nova
So we can just all 
sand egret
hahah yeeep
neat lagoon
I just don't get how Legion was the most "cookie cutter" expansion ever... you must have 2 legendaries and must have 4 set... what do they do to fix that? Unleash Azerite traits! wooahhhhh, but guess what? Oh you need to stack these traits in order to pull any dps, or you need this this and that or else you're not even viable. Next thing you know its the same thing where everyone is rocking the same traits, trinkets and have to carry 5 sets of gear
sand egret
“Hey is Prot going to be viable in 8.1?”
chilly brook
tfw you spend more time on the prot discord than playing the game
cinder nova
that's a singular yike, jim
chilly brook
Meh what's the point outside of raids
sand egret
well on that note, time to get drunk
old night
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA
chilly brook
I'm not gonna farm M+ for the chance at getting better gear
steel mauve
i was kind of happy about losing tier sets so i didnt have to be bottlenecked on specific gear pieces which was their big giant selling point of wanting to get rid of them, until they announced azerite trait pieces, which done the exact same thing
chilly brook
It's a disproportionate time sink
chilly brook
The amount of benefit you get for extra time spent starts becoming a loss for me
neat lagoon
^^^
sand egret
thats like saying you didnt know that Coolio was the voice of Reptar in the Rugrats movie
pshh
neat lagoon
on average itll take me about 6-7 +10 keys to maybe get something useful
chilly brook
If I had a graph to show character progression for current wow it'd look like this
chilly brook
Lowest amount of time spent would be in the 280-350ilvl range
old night
@sand egret just imagine reptar rapping gangstas paradise
chilly brook
also coincidentally with the highest power gain
most time spent would be 350-380+ with an increasingly sparse character growth for more time spent
There's no smooth progression in retail
It's a huge spike
With low returns afterward
chilly brook
Maybe I should just play warframe
neat lagoon
once reaching 378-380 I figured I was just wasting my time so i started leveling alts
merry mist
you will have more fun in Warframe yes 😃
astral crystal
pizza only if it's deep dish
valid knot
Will prot warr actually be decent after buffs in 8.1 you guys think?
lusty grotto
yes 😄
steel mauve
we're already more than decent, so yes...
cinder nova
Bear
Even then bear can do all the same content
If you wanted to rank tanks on a number scale it wouldn't be 1-2-3-4-
steel mauve
worst doesnt mean bad...
cinder nova
It'd be more like
- Monk/DK
1.2 Paladin/DH
1.3 Warrior
1.4 Bear
steel mauve
there always HAS to be a bottom class, for various reasons other than just effectiveness
cinder nova
All the tanks can tank all the content, it's just some are less punishing than others
and have utility
So it becomes more of a question of what else can you get out of a tank
Rather than how good a tank can tank
timber nest
not sure how i feel about DH being above warrior...
chilly brook
@valid knot prot isn't the worst tank
It's tied with prot paladin for A tier in raids
S: BrM/Blood
A: Pally/Warrior
B: DH
C: Bear
@cinder nova I only agree with your list for M+ and even then I'd say it's more like
S: Blood DK
A: Paladin/DH
B: BrM
C: Warrior
D: Bear
merry cave
Yeah but -10 points to dh because you can't be lazy and facetank high keys when you're bored 😅
chilly brook
You could make an argument for BrM being rolled into A
But I don't put their utility on the same level as paladin or DH
oblique garnet
Any tips for Offtanking fetid?
oblique garnet
Dh
rapid trench
xD
outer dew
dump rage and don't get in the mindset of 100% mitigation
lots of free times where you actually don't need sb
or run an all ranged comp and solo tank it
yolo
oblique garnet
Ye it was hard to get used to the thrash timers since i had never been ot on it before
But the thrashes at the end did 160k even through block
outer dew
i mean
they're scary but you get small amount of breathing room after
where healers will bomb ya with heals
i've had my monk rip aggro off me when i'm not paying attention
and was fine
there's a brief gap in time which you need heals
tbh
i wonder if DH would be better off tank
self heals + no need for constant mitigation
steel mauve
its not really unheard of to OT fetid, we do both roles well
oblique garnet
Idk i ripped aggro from the dh on couple of pulls and he just got trucked by the thrash
astral crystal
i take thrashes on fetid, it's ez
astral crystal
at 380+ you can come out clean with just IP up also
steel mauve
our threat output, and by association, dmg output, is really high for a tank, espeically on pull
i usually have to hold back on dps so i dont fuck up threazt
oblique garnet
I went full bitch mode and used howler and veiled eye
steel mauve
i really liked it when we had 5 md's/tricks, and only 2 were used ever
merry cave
Would fetid be easier than Vectis with these new nerfs
mild maple
Are they taking Demo Shout of the GCD next patch or did I imagine reading that in a fever dream?
shut summit
still on gcd
mild maple
rip
sick sentinel
You might have confused it with Rallying cry/intercept
chilly brook
If only it was off the gcd....
Avatar or it needs to be off tbh
Especially after the DC nerf I think it’s justified
sick sentinel
"we have heard the complaints about the nerf to the Demo Shout azerite , we have decided to put SB back on gcd to prove a point"
sick sentinel
Also hey look
Nerfs to Uldir
We will now see 3/8 with Fetid instead of Zek more often now
chilly brook
Did they nerf fetid again?
sick sentinel
next week nerf
steel mauve
ya the 27th it will be
chilly brook
Damage nerf? Or hp nerf?
steel mauve
his shockwave does less dmg
Shockwave Stomp damage reduced by 20% on Mythic difficulty.
Putrid Paroxysm damage reduced by 20% on Mythic difficulty.
Mutated Mass and Corruption Corpuscle health reduced by 10% on Mythic difficulty.
mythrax is getting a small nerf and ghuun on mythic is getting a small nerf
sick sentinel
"We're going to make some changes to Uldir that will go live with scheduled weekly maintenance next week. Here's what we're currently working on"
So that means more changes might come
sick sentinel
Well this is intersting
Im doing Mythic raiding
Might get a Zek kill
First real mythic fight, i don't know shit and im excited
astral crystal
glhf
graceful mason
I enjoy zek.. cant really miss using rage or youre not going to cycle for the aoe bits
strong parcel
is prot viable for 2s or 3s?
graceful mason
I've done some 2s with a holy pally and we had success up to 1700
at which point we got bored
of said 5+min games
cinder nova
3s is faster
Because you're kinda a gimpy dps
but also can livelord whoever the kill target is
and if you're it
then
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
Well 4 wipes so far but its we've gotten it to 40% a few times
Also had to tell the off tank to not taunt because good lord
Last standing full combo
Ace
graceful mason
we had the same situation with a dk alt as the other tank
cinder nova
DK can ezclap the combo
graceful mason
he figured out whatever combo of abiltities to survive it
sick sentinel
apperently him and the guilds other tank taunt after shatter
graceful mason
def hit the floor quite a few times before he did though
cinder nova
If they're bad maybe
sick sentinel
But I showed him i can full combo
steel mauve
dk should be able to full combo
outer dew
can't the DK also AMS first voidlash
too just so he can retop himself off
or 2nd so he doesn't have heal debuff
steel mauve
think he still gets debuff, just he can stop most of the dmg from the lashes
sick sentinel
listen i barely know shit about most tanks
i know only about prot warriors and guards
and im streching hard with guards because my main is feral
soft kindle
To the earlier point made, the ghuun nerf is pretty sizable
gives a ton more breathing room in p3 especially
supple path
AMS blocks debuff from voidlash, at least in LFR on my fresh 120 BDK.
open bluff
AMS only blocks the debuff if it absorbs the full amount of the attack
so pair it with VB for best results above normal
lucid kelp
Zul's bleed thing in phase 2. Is it a cleave? The dungeon journal says it's a frontal cone but everyone else says its not
soft kindle
It hits anyone in front
it's a relatively small cone, compared to say void lash
but yah, it's frontal
lucid kelp
ah ok
upper spoke
hey
neon tangle
DK needs to take runetap for m zek
ember arrow
not really
unless real undergeared
2 DS after shatter will heal u to full even with healing deb uff
neon tangle
Rather makes it easier, and it’s fun to immune the whole hit
But yeah you can take WotN and just eat the first one
neon tangle
right
ember arrow
if u use AMS when inside wotn window
AMS is increased by 35% too i think
since its an absorb
neon tangle
that's kinda silly
ember arrow
why
more absorbs whne sub35
it doesnt get 35% bigger, but effectively absorbs 35% more dmg
since u get 35% DR
neon tangle
I wonder how many healing parses are from people abusing WotN / purgatory
ember arrow
u can go to mother
purg and wotn
1mil hps
purgatory has no minimum threshhold
like ardent defender for instance
wotn works below 0hp
too
so they go well together
though RT and bonestorm are better generally for raids and m+ respectively
cinder nova
We're tired of complaining about the lack of change to Prot.
outer dew
w
stone crag
surprised it took this long
neon tangle
I was distracted for a bit
worthy dagger
We should restart our daily DK discussion
fading token
no
round vortex
Can we ban DK discussions? I see them daily
outer dew
but you no contribute daily
ember arrow
whats wrong with dk discussions
ember arrow
@primal crypt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/206154988609732609/515040068004610048/sonic.png
cinder nova
someone get that one oc donut steel
what was it? coldsteel the hedgehog
man that shit is hard to read
lavish oracle
Is Potion of Prolonged power still good somehow? 113 to all stats actually seems like...useable
Oh wait, nevermind, it's all primary attributes
For some reason I thought it included secondaries
cinder nova
There is no string.
The string is the input paired with your character data.
No input = no ouput
We have a few. Not sure if any of them can make a string.
But it's not like the damage-aspect of our rotation requires much mental effort.
primal crypt
Nope
Just highest ilvl
GG.
Hi
Yes
Well done
Well what trinkets specifically you talking about
chilly brook
Yo my guy
That tells you all you need to know
You don’t need to sim yourself as prot
Hello you’re a tank
Ez
Haste is BiS stat
primal crypt
chilly brook
We’re not like other tanks
And disc is more of an aoe trinket
You can log....
Derp
primal crypt
Unfortunate
signal plover
Nailed it
chilly brook
3 hour raid
Jesus dude
Your hyperbole is insane
Do one boss
A largely single target boss
Go do it again
steel mauve
i mean to be fair if dps performance is that important to you, you probably shouldnt play a tank
chilly brook
And compare
signal plover
The prot Sims for dps aren't functional ATM sorry were too busy talking about tofu
signal plover
Log trends and top trinks on fights this deep into a tier make it pretty obvious tho
primal crypt
Trolls. Trolls everywhere
signal plover
Cya latah
primal crypt
Can't play prot...blames prot discord
doesn't try to listen to anything
comes in super defensives
chilly brook
Cool
primal crypt
shield blocking all the things Lel
chilly brook
I bet it was your sims that got you them orange parses
chilly brook
Because it’s not for prot
The only time it would be “valuable” would be to assess the difference between two trinkets
Haste will never be removed from top stat
And even in that trinket situation it’s hardly the only way to get the answer
If you’re taking DPS azerite traits
Lul
primal crypt
wait wait
chilly brook
Yes I can
You clearly don’t understand how prot interacts with haste
Or why it’s valuable with our talent setup
cinder nova
wait did this guy leave other tank specs because he wants to big dick as prot and is angry he can't since there isn't a working sim?
signal plover
Cuz of the interaction the top defensive Azurite traits have with our dps
chilly brook
Because unlike other tanks (blood) we actually have good defensive traits
And what paw said
steel mauve
i have orange parses on a tank spec that doesnt sim and using defensive trinkets
steel mauve
so its kind of irrelevent bragging about orange parses on other tanks, its useless for so many reasons
chilly brook
Regarding haste: haste will always be our top stat because it does several things for our spec. #1 and most important it lowers our CD for shield block meaning we get closer and closer to 100% mitigation uptime. #2 it lowers our GCD, so more rage which means more rage to spend which means we get all of our major CD's back sooner including Demoralizing Shout and Avatar both of which are huge DPS CD's as well, and seeing as Thunderclap makes up almost half of our damage on single target it literally would be counterintuitive to say that more avatars means less DPS compared to other options.
On the topic of our azerite traits versus others: We actually have valuable azerite traits, one of which being Deafening Crash, huge dps boost and survivability boost. IF actually also generates a decent amount of extra passive damage as does BFI.
Topic of gearing: Like stated earlier our stat priority is fairly set in stone because of how haste interacts with our spec, other than that crit is probably our best DPS stat but every other stat is so close together from earlier theorycrafting and mathing that it's only relevant when it comes to two items of the same ilvl. Ilvl is king for us both in survivability and DPS.
Trinkets: I've already talked about this, several other places to go to in order to see which would be "best" in the situation, but if you really must sim it then arms and fury are a fairly decent gauge.
And by the way
The only way for us to gain 100% uptime on SB would be for us to have something stupid like 170% haste
Literally unobtainable
Therefor it's fairly absolute that haste will always be our best stat both offensively and defensively
chilly brook
lol