protection

[lusty grotto]

hi guys

[outer dew]

LMAO

[sand egret]

NO

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m pretty sure I could just google it

[outer dew]

aHAHA

[ebon hound]

YES

[sand egret]

UNSUBSCRIBE

[outer dew]

i mean

[sick sentinel]

Topical

[outer dew]

googling is nice and all

I watch youtube videos but they're all in viet

[chilly brook]

I just like rice too much

[outer dew]

LMAO

[sand egret]

pineapple fried rice

is le dope

[outer dew]

ehh

[chilly brook]

And fried rice is 👌🏻

[outer dew]

I like salted fish fried rice

👌

that's my go to for fried rice

[modern brook]

I fry bacon in a pan, then fry leftover white rice in the grease

:^)

Idk if it counts

but

[outer dew]

lol

I went kinda fancy

[chilly brook]

I don’t like egg normally but egg fried rice is greatness

[outer dew]

I had left over duck fat from my ginger garlic duck

[modern brook]

Duck angers me

[chilly brook]

Pork fried rice isn’t too bad either

[sand egret]

on-topic

[outer dew]

so i pan roasted some ginger + bitter melon and put in my left over duck

[lusty grotto]

have you guys tried croc?

[outer dew]

pork belly fried rice is nice

[lusty grotto]

wait let me rephrase that

cause that sounds too much like drugs

[sand egret]

this guy

[outer dew]

but it works better with kimchi because of the sourness

lmao

[modern brook]

@chilly brook if you fry bacon, cut it up, fry the rice in the bacon fat, add an egg

bam

[lusty grotto]

have you guys tasted Crocodile meat

[modern brook]

porkfried rice

[outer dew]

hmm

no

[sand egret]

guess I know what Im eating tonight...

[modern brook]

No it is tofu

[outer dew]

I'm not from the south

[modern brook]

😠

[lusty grotto]

its decent

[sand egret]

im hungry as shit

[chilly brook]

That sounds like a great Americanized fried rice lmao @modern brook

[lusty grotto]

tastes like chicken + calamari kind of

[sand egret]

listening to you fools

[outer dew]

i mean

there's nothing wrong with it

I do the same thing he does

but with pork belly

[modern brook]

I definitely made that recipe when i was 7 gin and tonics into a party

so yeah

[lusty grotto]

rof

[outer dew]

you just need some veges

lmao

[modern brook]

I couldnt afford veggies

I had to pay for 7 gin an dtonics

😦

[outer dew]

LMAO

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[sand egret]

man does have a point

[lusty grotto]

i plant my veggies and when i say veggies i mean mostly peppers

[modern brook]

The trick is to get a basil plant

so that you can learn that it doesnt matter how well you take care of something, life is pain, entropy is unavoidable and we always die

[lusty grotto]

becase i dont eat that leaf shit

[chilly brook]

Basil is great

Boi leafs are great

[modern brook]

If boi = bay im in agreement

[chilly brook]

If you don’t like salad you’re not trying hard enough on your salads

Drop some diced strawberries, candied walnuts, cranberries, chicken, a little bit of a balsamic dressing 👌🏻

[old night]

just came back fromt he brewmaster discord., shits boring af in there

[lusty grotto]

i just generally dislike lettuce-y type veggies

[old night]

open this door and we're talkign salads. god i love this discord so much

[burnt fossil]

whats brm even got to talk about

sooo, stagger much?

[lusty grotto]

i can do peppers, carrots, tomatoes, onions but lettuce ugh

[outer dew]

hmm

[modern brook]

Nim, LETTUCE is good

[outer dew]

i mean

[modern brook]

ICEBURG lettuce

is fucking green texture

[outer dew]

it depends on the vinnagrette

like

[lusty grotto]

i'm a carnivore damn it

[outer dew]

I have a bomb fish sauce

which i just dip all veges in

LMAO

[old night]

you guys have salad n go near you

we have those here in phoenix

[modern brook]

no

[lusty grotto]

what is that

[old night]

bruh

[outer dew]

hmm

[old night]

so good

[outer dew]

I don't remember

seeing them in AZ

[old night]

i always get a caesar tofu wrap on wheat

[modern brook]

We have a bunch of unioned 40 somethings that would throw a hissy fit at the concept of a Salad n Go

[outer dew]

but maybe that's because I was in Gilbert

[old night]

its a drive thru salad place that makes wraps/salads for like 6 bucks

amazing

[outer dew]

OH

I KNOW

[old night]

I live in scottsdale

[outer dew]

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

[old night]

they're all over tho

[outer dew]

are they actually good?

like I drive past them whenever I'm in AZ

but I never bother getting anything

[old night]

really fucking good

[outer dew]

dude, why the fuck is food in AZ so fucking expensive?

LOL

[old night]

it isn't really lol

[outer dew]

like eating out in AZ is pricier than me eating out in CAli

[modern brook]

Is that like in n' out burger really fucking good

[outer dew]

like what the fuck

[old night]

I got the wrap and a lemonade for like 8 bucks

[modern brook]

Or an actual really fucking good

[outer dew]

i mean

I don't have car + in n out is no longer in a 20 mile radius

my ass is left making my own smash burgers

qq

[modern brook]

making smash burgeres is the best

[lusty grotto]

5 guys

[outer dew]

5 guys too pricy for me

I'd rather make my own burger at that point

lol

[modern brook]

Its one of the few thigs you can do that requires 0 skill that still makes you feel talented

[outer dew]

ingredients for burgers is cheap

[lusty grotto]

well you're right

[old night]

dude how pricy is too pricy for you lmao

[modern brook]

Smashburgers = the BRM of cooking

[outer dew]

bruh

$7-8 for a fast food burger

is ridic

[lusty grotto]

i mean it depends on the area though, but anything is cheaper when you cook it yourself

[burnt fossil]

blockades deck for 15k or try to craft one on my inscription toon

lol 15k

[lusty grotto]

15k is fucking cheap as hell

[old night]

burger/drink/fries i expect to pay like 10 bucks

[outer dew]

sure

but the thing is

5 guys is a fast food burger

[old night]

now the one thing ill spend extra on is my boi Whataburger

[outer dew]

like in-n-out i'll get the works

[modern brook]

@old night you can get 2 mcdoubles a medium fry and a "water" for 4 bucks at mcdonalds

[outer dew]

for like $8

[old night]

fuck me up with that spicy ketchup and green chili

[outer dew]

5 guy burger trying to rep as a gourmet burger

when they fastfood

[old night]

@modern brook sweet didnt know diarrhea was that cheap

[outer dew]

qq

oi

my highschool days

[modern brook]

I'm just saying

If you're going for economics

[burnt fossil]

taco bell 4 lyfe

[outer dew]

was a mcdouble with a mc-chicken inside

[modern brook]

You can do a lot better than 10 dollar meals

[old night]

im not tho lol

[outer dew]

with some bbq sauce

LMAO

[modern brook]

you could be tho

[old night]

mcgangbang

[outer dew]

now when I think of that monstrosity

[old night]

its delicious

[outer dew]

i just go uhgh

[old night]

i used to get those when I was on tour with my old band

2 dollars and you're full af

[outer dew]

I can't even eat more than 20 mcnuggets anymore

lmao

use to down like 50

EASY LIFE

[old night]

but yeah gilbert? theres fuck all there

why did you live there lol

[solemn kelp]

I need to know.

What are people's prot warriors seeing as their avg dps levels, in general.

I'm doing around 4k.

[outer dew]

don't live there

lmao

[uneven mason]

I mean

[outer dew]

i just visit because of family

was gonna drop by thanksgiving

but didn't buy plane tickets soon enough

so GG

[uneven mason]

@solemn kelp that is kind've a hard to answer question, but Warcraftlogs.com has the knowledge you seek.

[solemn kelp]

Oooh i've never used wclogs

[old night]

also whats your ilvl

[solemn kelp]

i'll go see

360

[old night]

4k seems extremely low

[modern brook]

4k is low

[uneven mason]

well single target

with like 300 gear

[outer dew]

i mean

[uneven mason]

I could see

[modern brook]

even in single target its low

[outer dew]

even ST that's low

[old night]

yeah

[modern brook]

I guess if they're not geared

[uneven mason]

if he has quest blues

[modern brook]

but 4k is like

[old night]

or fucked talents

[uneven mason]

than 4k isn't going to be like odd

[modern brook]

Just dinged 120 using only expeditions low

[uneven mason]

right

hence - asking for avg DPS

[solemn kelp]

4k is low? 😦

[old night]

ya

[uneven mason]

whats your ilvl

[outer dew]

well

[old night]

but we can help

[outer dew]

he said 360

[solemn kelp]

ilvl 360

[uneven mason]

oh

yeah

[modern brook]

Lemme tell you about avatar

[uneven mason]

thats like auto attack level dps

[solemn kelp]

well sheet

[modern brook]

and how your feet are stronger than your sword

[old night]

👢 🍵 👏

[uneven mason]

^^^

[outer dew]

and how you pull a fucking hammer out of nowhere

to thunderclap

[solemn kelp]

you guys

making fun of me

gonna cry now

[modern brook]

Nah you're among friends

Do you have logs?

[solemn kelp]

I sure do

[modern brook]

paste that shit

[solemn kelp]

gimme few mins

[outer dew]

dw

you can see we're not toxic

we literally just spent

like the past half hour

talking about food

lmao

[solemn kelp]

i know

[uneven mason]

My melee on mother is ~ 4k DPS

no devastator

[solemn kelp]

Just did Waycrest on +0 and averaged 4k

[uneven mason]

next week far bosses I'ma Devastator for parse

[modern brook]

You should be doing a lot more

[uneven mason]

0_o

[modern brook]

in m+ just cause of avatar + clap

[outer dew]

holy

shit

4k average

[mossy cairn]

Hello, quick noob question, can you spell reflect Evolving Affliction on Vectis ?

[outer dew]

would send me into depressiong as prot warrior

[uneven mason]

Yeah in M+ I do like 11k overall, 40k + on some pulls due to 👢 🍵 👏

No Atsaan

[outer dew]

no, you can;t

[uneven mason]

HOWEVER

[outer dew]

but you should still pop SR at 2 stacks

because of the DR

[modern brook]

atsaan there should be a list of shit you can reflect per boss per dungeon/raid in the pins

[uneven mason]

You can reflect the debuff

from Omega Vector

and remove a stack from play

[outer dew]

you're

joking

no way

[modern brook]

^

[mossy cairn]

yep that I knew, thanks !

[uneven mason]

Not Omega vector

but the Lingering infection

[outer dew]

LMAO

[uneven mason]

you can grab Omega vecotr

and when it fades

reflect

[outer dew]

i see

[uneven mason]

and you don't get a stack

[outer dew]

that seems more reasonable

LMAO

i was here thinking, mang

[uneven mason]

on mythic thats big shit

[outer dew]

i mean

reasons why we wiped during prog for vectis

[uneven mason]

Yeah if we could still reflect his other shit

[outer dew]

wasn't because of the stacks

was because we had dps mong

and not soak properly

[uneven mason]

yeah its because people are flipperhands and don't know how to spread at > 6 stacks

[outer dew]

or they didn't call out where the soaks were missing

that too

[modern brook]

oh man

[uneven mason]

and yeah

soaks

[outer dew]

like

[modern brook]

Imagine tunneling so hard you tunnel during the phases you cant tunnel

thats dedication

[uneven mason]

^^

[solemn kelp]

ok logs uploaded, do here or on #449510248579858432?

[outer dew]

you don't understand

[uneven mason]

just link here.

[outer dew]

how tilted i get when someone goes

"WE NEED A SOAK HERE"

[solemn kelp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H1g8y6acKRGDWp79/

[outer dew]

"WHERE THE FUCK IS HERE?"

[uneven mason]

HERE

HEREEEE

[outer dew]

oh

you logged a m+

LOL

[uneven mason]

its like when I brought in a new offtank for Zul

and he's like "I NEED A BOP OVER HERE"

[outer dew]

bahaha

[solemn kelp]

just a +0 like i said

[uneven mason]

and I was like "just Bres him"

because when you die

we can tell where you are

by the wet spot

[outer dew]

I

don't remember the days

when my dps were sub 10k

[old night]

did you know that when u die you are actually a dead warrior

[outer dew]

LOL

[old night]

fucking wild

[outer dew]

this takes me back

wdym

but legion said I can't die

and it's an honor to die

nani dafuck

[old night]

hot take: our legion campaign was horrendously boring

[solemn kelp]

#roastme

[modern brook]

You didnt avatar during Goliath

[old night]

i was so happy when it was over

[outer dew]

bruh

did you fall asleep

on the keyboard

LOL

how'd your meele become top damage

[solemn kelp]

obvz something I'm not getting

[outer dew]

well

it's not that it's top damage is the problem

it's more of

why the fuck is your TC so low

do you not have DC?

[modern brook]

@outer dew He didnt avatar

[daring marlin]

even without dc it should be #1 by a large margin

🤔

oh snap

[outer dew]

for that one

he did avatar

oh wait

no i'm looking

at my own log

LMAO

[daring marlin]

tsk tsk

[modern brook]

So leyton

THe biggest thing I'm noticing across everything here is you have very large gaps

You're a global locked class

ie: every global should be some action

[old night]

hey hey don't roast the kid @outer dew

[outer dew]

oh shit

you actually

[solemn kelp]

i asked for it

[old night]

we dont wanna become the dh discord

[modern brook]

You're very often going ~3-4 seconds inbetween abilities, let alone offensive ones

[outer dew]

didn't press avatar

LOL

[modern brook]

Like specifically im looking at the raal fight

[old night]

you want to aim for TC to be at the top

[shut summit]

no reason to be rude when they're asking for help

[old night]

your rotation actually changes during avatar phase too

it will make TC up every other GCD

[uneven mason]

@solemn kelp Lets start with reading the guide linked in the pins

[modern brook]

you charged in

and waited 2 globals before your first use

[solemn kelp]

Mactier would you believe i've read them?

[outer dew]

ehh

[solemn kelp]

Maybe prot isn't for me.

[outer dew]

well

there's some player issues

[uneven mason]

Well, we are a GCD capped spec

[outer dew]

vs prot issues

for example your goliath fight

[old night]

@solemn kelp not with that attitude. anyone can play prot. its just super wonky to get used to

[uneven mason]

Literally we do something every GCD

so lets start with that

[outer dew]

you have a good chunk of time where you did nothing

[old night]

ive been playing for years and this xpac fucked me up for about a month before I got used to it

[modern brook]

^ same film

[uneven mason]

There is a reason why I stopped playing live and just played soccer with a rock before prepatch

[old night]

priority casts Shield Slam > TC > Rev (on proc) > devastate (as a filler only)

burn rage with shield block and use IP as a rage dump

[uneven mason]

erm I mean, tanked on PTR a lot

[modern brook]

REally just ABC: always be casting

[outer dew]

keep uptime

[old night]

sometimes if you are oozing rage you can burn with revenge but dont rely on it

[modern brook]

if your global is off, and you're not immediately putting it back on you're burning resource

[outer dew]

if you're not dumping rage you're losing time on CD's

[old night]

I.E. If I use my haste trinket, prepot, and we hero I'm bubbling rage and I'll sometimes hard cast to give a little bit of breathing room and dps

[modern brook]

Its one big feed back loop

[solemn kelp]

I'm kind of spamming shield slam, tc and devastate all the time

[uneven mason]

Logs say otherwise

[outer dew]

^

[old night]

big NO NOs of prot this xpac is to camp IP

[outer dew]

tbf

[solemn kelp]

right, i'm not doing it properly then

[outer dew]

I do mong and spam revenge

[uneven mason]

I cast a lot of IP

[old night]

IP is literally just a rage dump UNLESS you are about to fucking die then cast it

[outer dew]

but i spam revenge on trash

[uneven mason]

erm Film

IP is a damage smoother

big one

[old night]

what I mean is don't prioritize it over SB

it isn't legion

[uneven mason]

right

[dusk locust]

don't prioritize it over SB but you still cast it a lot

[old night]

my goal is to get SB up and then rage dump into another SB or IP

[modern brook]

I only IP if I'mscared of dying, about to rge cap or have nothing else to do as per Sense's advice

[uneven mason]

don't pri it over SB, but if your pressing IP "if you are about to die" than

[old night]

yeah what kauda said

[uneven mason]

you're behind your damage curve

and trying to play a 100% proactive tank reactively

[lilac hawk]

Hello. I see some protwarriors have deep wounds in their logs as a quite big chunk of damage. Where is that from?

[solemn kelp]

So initial feedback is mind your GD, avatar all the time and tc more

[outer dew]

revenge

[uneven mason]

in which case my advice would be re roll VDH/BDK 😉

[modern brook]

@lilac hawk deep wounds is applied by devestate and revenge

[lilac hawk]

Oh

[old night]

@uneven mason we were on the same page just saying it differently I think haha

[modern brook]

ie: its basically a 100% uptime dot

unless you're @chilly brook who chortle can only keep it at 97

[uneven mason]

but he makes up for it with 75% uptime on DS

@chilly brook

[outer dew]

btw, what happened in goliath

for you to not really do anything

[solemn kelp]

It's disheartening to hear how badly i'm doing, I'll try and find a way to take your feedback and apply it positively

[outer dew]

for 30 seconds?

[uneven mason]

yeah Leyton its really just

always be hitting an ability

[old night]

@solemn kelp heres my extremely mediocre parse on vectis

[uneven mason]

maximize SB uptime

[old night]

see the difference in booty claps

[outer dew]

i mean vectis isn't really a good one to compare

[modern brook]

@solemn kelp if you take away only one thing its to make sure you're constantly using an ability.

[outer dew]

since it's an add fight

[uneven mason]

Thunderclap is going to be your #1 source of damage

[old night]

shit u right

[solemn kelp]

ok

am amazed at tc

[modern brook]

In a pull of ~3-4

[old night]

heres taloc

same tho

[lilac hawk]

Is it applyed from devastator to? Im running with that bcause it feels like a softer playstyle and gains something outside Gcd 😀

[old night]

TC is your boi

[modern brook]

Avatar - tclap-global-tclap will net u ~24k

without even trying

[solemn kelp]

thanks

[old night]

@solemn kelp feel free to add me on bnet

id be more than happy to talk on discord and help ya out

talking prot is one of my favorite things

[outer dew]

so

when we having a 5 prot warrior dungeon?

[solemn kelp]

i'd really like that

[outer dew]

probably should of specified server+faction

[solemn kelp]

i'm not weird or anything 😄

[old night]

add me my dude

filmstrips#1506

ill be on tonight

[solemn kelp]

I'm EU-Alliance

[outer dew]

bahaha

[old night]

oh word!

[modern brook]

Oh man

[solemn kelp]

heh

[modern brook]

change that to US horde

[outer dew]

told ya

[solemn kelp]

lol

[outer dew]

you should of asked

wdym

[old night]

US-Ally

[outer dew]

alliance US

is the way to roll

[modern brook]

Oh sorry fam

I like to win my wars

[uneven mason]

We have Saurfang

[lusty grotto]

team saurfang

[solemn kelp]

well it's no biggie, you're on here and I have plenty to go on thanks to fellow prot war buddies

[outer dew]

no

[uneven mason]

just saying

[lilac hawk]

You know what azeirite is support to dom the most st dps?

[old night]

regardless, feel free to add me ill be happy to help out

[outer dew]

the alliance now has Saurfang

[uneven mason]

@lilac hawk Deafening Crash

[lusty grotto]

what ring are you talking about

outer, mid, inner?

[outer dew]

so uhh

[modern brook]

@lilac hawk I use DC + uldir + bfi

[outer dew]

any mythic guilds I can meme in this week :^)

[modern brook]

but dc is the only one that matters

[sand egret]

god this week feels so much better than last week

[outer dew]

thanksgiving means no raid for me thursday

[uneven mason]

Same Tofu

[outer dew]

10/10 would meme on a mage with some guild

[lusty grotto]

any week feels better than last week lol

[outer dew]

really?

i liked last weeks post nerf

[uneven mason]

we're doing a push on Vectis tonight and then nothing until next week ><

[lilac hawk]

Dc is only If I take the damagebuff from talents tho?

[outer dew]

I think we extending to fetid

but some core isn't gonna be here

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

any week feels better than Fort + Teeming

[uneven mason]

KR 10 was still horrible post nerf due to the teeming

[outer dew]

i mean

KR 10 was okay

I got close to doing a +13 KR

[uneven mason]

that brute hallway

[outer dew]

but dps started slipping

[lusty grotto]

like after the nerfs?

[outer dew]

after nerfs

it was fine

[dusk locust]

the pull after 2nd boss was nuts otherwise it was alright

[outer dew]

orb management was easy

[lusty grotto]

i didnt run KR last week so idk

[outer dew]

you just pull into boss room

[uneven mason]

orbs are nothing

[lusty grotto]

i figured its Fort so fuck doing that key

[dusk locust]

did

[uneven mason]

#protection VR for days

[outer dew]

you just cc 2x

and pull boss room

did fine

[dusk locust]

did that too

[uneven mason]

yeah did that

[dusk locust]

it just fell apart

[uneven mason]

still not a fun pull

[dusk locust]

lol

[uneven mason]

I Just kept running

and running

and then running back

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[uneven mason]

cause we had an infested in that pack

somuch fun

and no solid CC 😄

[outer dew]

that

sounds like uhh

planning problem

;P

[modern brook]

My CC kept fucking breaking last week

[deft hinge]

that new KR teeming pack is insane

[modern brook]

and it triggered me cause I have no idea what didit

nim says its azerite traits

but I dont see any that could do it :/

[old night]

@deft hinge its awful isnt it

[deft hinge]

we had to pull it back into the second boss' room

[lusty grotto]

i'm just saying what happened on my runs last week

we found it out it was globules breaking the cc

[deft hinge]

that trait seems like such garbage. it takes forever to proc three times, then does dogshit damage

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason what’s up?

Tagged me?

[modern brook]

we were making fun of the 75% DC and 97% Deep wound thing from like 2 months ago

[chilly brook]

Oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[modern brook]

:^)

[chilly brook]

There you go 😉

[modern brook]

THat DS is lower than i remember

[chilly brook]

It’s the same picture

[modern brook]

My nostalgia

😦

[slim agate]

Guys is it true that prot is at the bottom right now?

[deft hinge]

👢 🍵 👏

[outer dew]

if you have to ask

it doesn't matter for you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel mauve]

gotten to the point where if "is it true" at the start of a question, its gonna be one of those 🙄 questions

[prisma crane]

@slim agate thankfully we have bears to stand on

but at the end of the day, if you have to ask that question, then no, for you all tanks are 👌

and, outside of M+, tanks are pretty well balanced

and of course niche raid bosses throw things off

[slim agate]

Oh ok, I just wanted to try tanking and wondered if prot wars were good

[prisma crane]

if you wanna learn tanking fundamentals, you'll learn more from warriors than most others

but

it will be rougher to get into groups atm

ideally once 8.1 hits that'll improve, but time will tell

[lavish oracle]

Unless you're trying to push really high M+ keys, warrior is fine @slim agate

I mean like 15 or higher

[reef tendon]

hey, i just grabbed the ignore pain weakaura that marok has on wago. I can't seem to get it to be text only. has anyone tried to do that?

[chilly brook]

@slim agate no that’s false both in raids and m+

[fiery quarry]

@lavish oracle - long time semi successful arms warrior looking to learn prot for m+, where to start?

[lavish oracle]

If you haven't, read the guide in the pins and see if you have an azerite piece with deafening crash 😄

[old night]

It's safe to assume no talent changes right

For 8.1

[primal crypt]

not yet

there may be some changes yet to be seen

that might make us swap up talents

[cinder nova]

Lol.

Lol

LOL

[primal crypt]

shhhhhh

[cinder nova]

Maybe they'll do that thing with Mastery and totally Surv Hunter us until next xpack

It wouldn't even surprise me if they made our new mastery they were tinkering with a total garbage show

[primal crypt]

or let us dual wield shields

I wouldn't be surprised

[old night]

@sand egret he said the sacred words

[sand egret]

🙏

[astral crystal]

wonder what this week's patch notes will be

im pretty sure they're don making 'big' changes

done*

we're 3 weeks out from 8.1.5

8.1*

[sick sentinel]

You know how you can mark a channel as nsfw and have to accept that to view the channel, is there a way to do that here but instead it's to answer a faq like " is it true that prots are dog doodoo pee paper?"

[zinc mauve]

lol

theres nothing wrong with people who think that, its people who think that despite being presented evidence that we arent the worst tank spec is the ones that are bad

its the difference between knowing the truth and just denying it outright

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but that can be answered right there, so we stop getting that question so much. Just say yes and say why

Of course u can't stop the people who are add and just click on accept without reading warnings

[primal crypt]

"prot warriors are so undertuned, I feel sorry for you guys"

[zinc mauve]

its bdks that are overtuned

[oblique garnet]

Niceu got into a mythic guild

[sick sentinel]

Like I imagine #fury has the same issue about people asking them about #arms

"is it true fury will always be bad and isreally dogshit compared to arms because fury is for weak babies?"

[outer dew]

bruh

that's exactly

what I do

[graceful sundial]

hey guys..how is Vial of animated blood for tanking guys?

what do you think?

[primal crypt]

@graceful sundial there's better

if you can get your hands on them

but everything is about to change anyway

in two weeks

[old night]

The reason this discord and this channel specifically are so great is that it's never fed into the negative answers to negative questions like if we are bad or not

New people always feel welcome here and I've never felt dumb for asking a basic question

Any time people begin to get made fun of for basic stuff like that it's always handled very well. It's why skyhold is arguably my favorite class discord

[soft kindle]

I wouldn't say there's no making fun, but we do try and avoid making people feel bad for asking silly questions

Definitely poke fun tho

[old night]

oh yeah but theres a clear difference between poking fun and giving someone shit for not knowing the rotation and not helping em

ya know

[primal crypt]

It's because we catch enough shit in game

why bring that shit here

[old night]

yuuup

[steel mauve]

our definition is to educate and inform here

the more we can do that, the less shit prot warrior there are out there

[cinder nova]

I mean

Warrior's are galaxybrain compared to other tank specs and the mental exertion necessary to play em

[sick sentinel]

I just noticed

The TC emote has sense in it

[soft kindle]

[sick sentinel]

I knew there was something off whenever I saw that emote

Just never paid attention

[supple path]

God, 15 minutes of trying to use some other class discords really made me appreciate the warrior ones. I don't think anyone here has ever told me to check the pins for information not in the pins.

[modern brook]

winds of war any good?

[sick sentinel]

Winds of war that bullshit out of here

Also

[supple path]

See? Like our pins actually have https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor which tells you winds of war isn't bad, but is inferior to other traits like azerite veins and lifespeed.

[sick sentinel]

Let's be real

Wow is inferior to a lot of things

Like I can see only bm having any use from it

[supple path]

Well it provides defensive value, so if that's what you're after, it's cleanly better than a bunch of pure dps traits.

[sick sentinel]

For sure but compared to what is available defensively for us and other tanks, I doubt Dodge is what other tanks are killing for unless ur a guard/drunk but in just guessing cause I really don't want to know or care

[supple path]

I'm still just waiting for the stupid content that makes azerite fortification overpowered.

[sick sentinel]

Thats the 3rd tier that heals when knocked back or something right?

[supple path]

stunned, immobilized, or knocked back. And yeah.

I fully expect there to eventually be some content that roots you every half second

[sick sentinel]

We may see that with the dungeon in 8.2

Or with jania crymoore in the raid

[pallid hollow]

"Let's make a dungeon which only have ~25% melee attack!" -Blizzard when they make The Motherload.

Rixxa and Mogul also don't have melee attack, holy shit no wonder i got mauled so hard

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but tho

How can you complain with how short the CD has, after all it's soooo short and so strong

[zinc mauve]

my only complaint is that the spell resistance goes away after it reflects

still a fantastic spell though

[sick sentinel]

I would be fine if it was the legion variant and they took away the spell damage reduc

[pallid hollow]

oh yeah, give me that 20% magic reduction for 5s that're consumed by most single target magic

[sick sentinel]

Or have its CD reduce by 5 or 7 seconds or make it scale with haste

Like SB

[pallid hollow]

Meanwhile mr.DK over there just spamming death strike to heal through magic damage while also mitigating all physical damage at the same time.

With ignore pain outside of GCD and we can actually block physical ranged attack in 8.1, i can just feel prot warr will be 2x more tankier.

Still does not help we're the only tank that don't have CC though.

[ember pilot]

dont have cc? what about shockwave and intimidating shout?

[supple path]

Intimidating shout: intimidates monsters so hard that they don't ask for help from their friends, fearing they will die too.

wait no that's not how it works, damn

Intimidating shout is basically just an interrupt that you have to desperately make sure you hit stuff after before it wipes you.

[pallid hollow]

i mean more like long CC that let us not pull that mob.

[supple path]

Walking up to that big PITA pull in atal'dazar before the totem-boss and MCing one of the undead on my DK just felt so beyond broken.

[pallid hollow]

I feel like we need a talent that make intimidating shout only target 1, but duration is even longer.

[supple path]

Yeah, that one talent should make it a single target CC

[pallid hollow]

yeah DK mc the undead in AD is beyond broken

[crystal night]

im tanking thrashing bites on M fetid and I actually feel super fucking tanky

[supple path]

Yeah wait until you reach Legendary Fetid and his melee becomes magic damage.

[crystal night]

my BDK tank with me is getting brought down to like 30% on the thrashing bites

[supple path]

honestly warriors feel really good on any fight that's all blockable/phys

[pallid hollow]

well yeah, you can block + IP thrashing bites.

I still don't understand why they decide to make prot warr can block physical ranged attack on 8.1, i swear in Warcraft 3 shield block actually a footman ability to block ranged attack, no?

[supple path]

It in fact ONLY worked vs ranged attacks

Defend, -70% damage from...piercing? or ranged? some nonsense like that

[sick sentinel]

Ah yes shields

Limited to blocking only 1 type of physical damage, because fuck putting in some reality in a game

[pallid hollow]

I won't be surpsied the reason prot warr can't block ranged attack is because technical difficulties xd

and just now they managed to crack the code to make it work

[supple path]

I have this vague memory of something involving hunter pvp 6 years ago

Like wasn't there a period of time where they changed what defensive stuff worked vs ranged attacks in like...vanilla or tbc? god, don't even remember at all anymore. could be totally wrong.

[crystal night]

https://gyazo.com/1dc95fe28f73474948b153669323e3ae

thats just p 1 wipes with my guild on M fetid but 73% mitigated feels good man!

[pallid hollow]

Being able to crit block Thrasing Bites is really good

[sick sentinel]

Being able to block everything is great

[supple path]

Uldir honestly feels intensely warrior-favored - to the point that I worry how we'll do in "Shadow of Zul - the Raid"

Since it feels like the prevalence of physical only content that matches up well with our cooldowns/etc. is sort of masking the underlying issues.

[crystal night]

OH THATS WHATS DOING IT

i was wondering why sometimes my health just wouldnt move at ALL

[chilly brook]

Yep crit block is a beautiful thing

[crystal night]

71% damage mitigated as the terrible thrash tank on M Fetid

feels fucking amazing

[glad sparrow]

Does anyone happen to have any weak auras not pinned. not looking for anything in paticular but just seeing if anyone has any useful ones

[steel mauve]

useful ones can be the weakaura that shows external cds and all other cd's, i dont use it any more, but its nice and clean, i madem ones for avatar and demo shout, avatar group is shows it while on cd, pops up and glows when its off cd and shows while i have the buff active all stacked on top of each other, demo shout pops up when its off cd and both when they come off cd make sounds to notify me

the avatar one i made for all my major cd's last stand and shield wall, minue the glow and sound effects

minus*

same for rallying cry, and i made my own group of taunt weakauras for bosses in uldir to tell me when to taunt so i can focus on other things that have sound effects

[merry bane]

got a question. I got 2 level 370 leggings. same strength and stam. one has +100 crit +130 haste, other has +150 haste +75 mastery. whats better?

[steel mauve]

haste/mastery

[merry bane]

I figured that but I didnt know. I remember someone mentioning Crit

[steel mauve]

crits not bad, the difference in secondaries is only 5 stats, but mastery is very slightly better than crit, and haste is our best which it has more of

[merry bane]

my haste didnt even move a percent through equipping the 2

[hidden ether]

Speaking of weak auras or maybe I need another addon, is there a set up I could use that pretty much shoes me a pie chart and divides my damage up into like blockable damage with SB up blockable without SB and magic damage?

Shows me*

[steel mauve]

it wont with only 20 points difference, but min/maxing its better, but chances are you literally wont notice a difference

[chilly brook]

I know I shouldn't be, but I'm disappointed

[hidden ether]

I got a belt and I was just about to make my 385 belt anyway

[cinder nova]

Expulsom bottleneck is a fucking disaster.

Limiting factor for crafting mythic gear should be the sanguicells

ergo: you get to make mythic if you kill mythic

[hidden ether]

yeah i ahve enough sanguicell to make all of it im just grinding out the expulsom

[timber nest]

TFW you come in to tank your guilds mythic reclear, and get rank 6 zul dps :/

[hidden ether]

prot war - you mean dps with a shield

[sick sentinel]

@merry bane I mentioned crit a lot, because I am a crit junkie, it's not as good as I feel it is but objectively it is really good in m+

Usually, just go for more haste though

[merry bane]

well Its a small difference between the items

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, but haste adds up

And if you don't see a difference, get DejaCharacterStats, it will display stats with 2 decimal points

[merry bane]

as i said between the mastery and haste item I didnt even see a difference on my stats

[sick sentinel]

Way ahead of you

I answered you before you even asked

[steel mauve]

you wont see a difference in stats, its same ilvl pieces, our stat budget defensively is so close together that you wouldnt even notice a difference in survival between the 2 pieces

[cinder nova]

http://prntscr.com/lkym98

living the dream guys

Fucking kill me.

[sick sentinel]

Coming from a shaman

Wow

[open bluff]

to be fair, shaman at least brings lust

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

Like mages and hunters?

[cinder nova]

I'm just fucking over it at this point, guys.

I got benched because I'm a warrior.

[sick sentinel]

At least say something actually unique, like tremor totem on zek

@cinder nova F

[cinder nova]

Now I can't find a guild that'll take me because I'm a warrior.

What the fuck is this hell.

[supple path]

I think the last every single guild I've joined I ended up having to join as DPS then finagle my way into tanking.

[sick sentinel]

Swole play something else until 8.1

[cinder nova]

I don't have anything else.

[supple path]

My BDK hit 120 this weekend, up to ilvl 340 now! Timewalking was great for gearing up.

[cinder nova]

And it'll be rinse-repeat once Sco gives it patented shitstamp on our class.

[sick sentinel]

Lvl up professions, farm mounts, level up characters

[cinder nova]

And then everyone will still think we're a misfit spec.

[supple path]

We're getting buffed next patch. It doesn't matter if the buff was "Warriors are now slightly shinier", public perception will baaaahhhhhh its way over to thinking we're probably good now.

[open bluff]

i mean

my raid leader raised his eyebrows at first when i said i was bringing my warrior instead of my bdk

but now i'm not allowed to play anything else

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel mauve]

i got lucky and just know the raid leader, but to be fair its a more casual team

[open bluff]

same tbh, i've been tanking for so long that he knows if i say i'm gonna play something there's a good reason behind it

he just didn't know what it was until he started comparing it to my pally

[soft kindle]

Any idiot that would decline a prot warrior at this point, with good logs in regards to mitigation, is just an idiot

and it will never not irk me that trash like that will get CE at like world 1000 and think they matter

[astral crystal]

limit AND method clear ghuun with prot :^)

[covert comet]

anyone able to help me improve my parses?

[timber nest]

i tried to pug a +13 WCM today, people joined. saw that i was prot tank and left

[jade wyvern]

to be fair has method cleared with prot? I know they tried and wiped all night

they have only rekilled ghuun like twice

[astral crystal]

They did and they didn’t wipe because of prot

They were wiping to bad soaks

They did kill it*

[timber vault]

So, just wanna poke the brains of better prots than me. Do yall have any specific ways in managing your mitigation? Im getting into raid tanking, but i keep finding gaps in my mitigation and it hurts on certain bosses.

[sick sentinel]

I would say be smart with ur CDs if ur finding gaps

Don't blow it too early or too late because the feedback is very well noticed if you messed up

[timber vault]

I'm trying, but I definately feel that I need more experience with the fights as a tank to get my timing down for cd's

[sick sentinel]

Are you doing normal or heroic raiding ATM?

[timber vault]

tanking normal, dpsing heroic

[sick sentinel]

I'm gonna assume uve watched guides on the fights for normal

[timber vault]

Some. I havent watched a guide for ghuun or vectis yet.

Though, i've downed vectis as a tank already

[sick sentinel]

Which bosses do you notice the biggest struggle with?

[timber vault]

Fetid, Mythrax, and Ghuun

Fetid mostly because im not down pat on anticipating his thrashes when im the OT

And ghuun, well. He trucks me.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah if u don't time ur SB with fetid ur going to be in pain

Also remember use last stand, free 15 second shield block

[timber vault]

... When did last stand get a built in SB?

o.O

[sick sentinel]

Bolster talent

What talents are u running?

And what azerite pieces are u using

Also what's ur CD timer on SB

[timber vault]

I'd have to switch to prot to check cd, and im in a raid rn

But, brace for impact, iron fortress, bloodsport. All pieces 360

Traits arent the best, but the game has been utter ass in terms of traits for me

[sick sentinel]

So I can tell u 2 things that are wrong already

You do not have a deafing crash trait, and the other which is minor but important if ur tanking in uldir, u need archive/laser

[timber vault]

Yea, been trying for deafening. Game's been a dick

[sick sentinel]

If you can after that raid, if u got friends or in a guild who aren't busy and are plate users run m0 dungeons

Do Temple of sethraliss or Siege of Boralus for shoulders or Freehold for a helmet

And if the wow God's can't bless u with that azerite gear, do it on heroic

[timber vault]

...

Its going down from a 360 piece to a 325 actually an upgrade?

Just for that trait?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[timber vault]

...

GG blizz.

[sick sentinel]

Literally worth 45ilvls

[dusk locust]

i actually just got 385s that i'm not sure replace my 345

lol

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it's dumb ass hell

I'm still using a 345 chest and I have 10 375 chests

[timber vault]

...

One trait should not be worth more than maybe 10 ilvls

[sick sentinel]

It shouldn't but here we are

Come 8.1 however

That Gap is not going to be that much

Because you could have demo shout up with perfect timing nearing a mintue

20% damage reducition, and if talented u deal 15% increased dmg to afflicted targets

For a near minute

[timber vault]

tbh, that is kind of broken

[sick sentinel]

Which is why it got a big nerf in 8.1

[timber vault]

Tbh though. As a warrior, I kind of miss my old vengeance memes.

And seeing just how absurdly high I could get IP to go.

[old night]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyOptimisticEelGingerPower

wore my sneakers tonight

[timber vault]

Last time I saw someone jump that strong, heroic leap wasnt the neutered version we have now.

Also

Yall think its worth it to have an Iron Fortress trait, or should i swap around and use a second Bloodsport?

[sick sentinel]

IF>Blood

[timber vault]

Oh, well then

[sick sentinel]

for info if u want more help

[old night]

I like to think that my 👢 🍵 👏 s prepared me for that jump

[sand egret]

lool

boy got ups

[timber vault]

Need to find me some new shoulders then

[sand egret]

pvp

or emissaries

[old night]

Hi @sand egret ❤

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏

[old night]

DARK IRON GOT HOPS

[sand egret]

I just had a DH full-on mong the 1st boss in ToS, just went at the snek with the shield and died instantly

did it twice, he goes "all I got is aoe"

[timber vault]

God please no. im not caught up on conquest on my warrior. Im like 1.5k off from the shoulders

[sand egret]

im like we'll why don't you blow your load over here with the rest of us?

that boss is hilarious in the pugger variety

ah, well emissaries then mate

[timber vault]

Aint none left for me right now.

Guess im waiting till tomorrow

[sand egret]

I can't speak for raiding, but I forgot my DC piece for like a few days straight and i wasn't like...falling over

[old night]

i forgot who it was but they got CE without it

[sand egret]

it's talked about the above-all-and-end-all around these parts, but it's not like your shit don't function without it. Plenty to practice imho

also the avoidance fairy payed me a visit, got 2 sidegrades today with avoidance

i can get up to 11%

not gonna complain about that haha

[timber vault]

I do somewhat fine without it. Honestly, by far my biggest problem is this god damn 330 shield I cant get rid of

[sand egret]

yeah...that's a pain in the ass

[timber vault]

I've rolled tokens on normal and heroic vectis every chance i get

and still stuck with this thing

[sand egret]

i got a 380 WF shield early in my cache and going from a 340 i could feel it

haha you should run with me, past 10 runs I think i've seen 4-5 shields

[timber vault]

I wish i could lol

[sand egret]

keep your head up, always work on your mechanics and the gear will come

and one final moment I end on:
When you kill the massively Bolstered mob with a Spell Reflect. :chef-kiss:

[timber vault]

I survived cata launch as a prot warrior

and the initial launch of lfr in Dragon soul

I can survive this lol

[outer dew]

bleh

finding a guild that'll do 4/8M clear that needs a warrior is a pain

[daring marlin]

holy fuck timewalking is a meme

#1 rogue on fetid used the weapon off illidan

[timber vault]

@sick sentinel To answer your talent question. 1223211

Honestly though. I feel like blizzard needs to take a pass on our talents and take some out, and give it to us baseline. Ive yet to see a prot war not using bolster

[sick sentinel]

We do not have flexible talents and for some talents they are going to have either Nerf or look at the talent for a fix

Which I won't be surprised when it prot change comes in a patch

[plain vapor]

woo!

mythrax down!

[timber vault]

Grats!

[plain vapor]

took a lot less pulls than i expected

[timber vault]

Get anything?

[plain vapor]

56 pulls

nah 😦

[timber vault]

rip

well

hope you get the shield off ghuun whenever you down big blood slug

[plain vapor]

i hope so too

big dreams

[merry bane]

I just tried grievous for the first time. sucks

these 3 affixes suck

[cinder nova]

@daring marlin You mean glaives?

[timber vault]

Nah, illidan drops a dagger that spawns fel elementals sometimes

iirc, even back in BC it was busted strong

[cinder nova]

You mean shard?

[timber vault]

yea

Shard of Azzinoth

[cinder nova]

Also it wasn't that busted

iirc it has like

1min ICD

and did ~20 to 30 more DPS

weapons with actual stats on them of comparable DPS could make that up pretty easily and be more reliable.

[sick sentinel]

got 385 head piece from chest how good is incite the pack trait?

[outer dew]

Compared to? @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

IP trait

i will try incite giving it a try

[daring marlin]

@cinder nova It literally did 625k or some absurd amount of damage

for a 355

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FLb9P8gBzNZJ3HXm#fight=2&type=summary

[outer dew]

I mean, IP trait is nice

If you feel like he content you do you don't need extra survivability then it's all Gu

[sick sentinel]

dont raid on warr only m+ and 4k more absorb for IP isnt needed but i will check procs for the trait

[daring marlin]

I mean nothing is really needed

I kinda wanna get the vectis chest and play around with that+mother helm in M+

[merry bane]

iso werent you guys talking about the Big Red Button trinket?

[wind scroll]

reading the pins.. about that Deafening Crash nerf... 14s is if you have 3x Deafening Crash yes?

[stone crag]

duration doesn't stack with multiple traits

never has

[amber siren]

the extended duration is fixed at 6 seconds, the duration increase doesn't stack

[oblique garnet]

Imagine if it did

[solemn kelp]

hullo

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel IP trait is not actually that bad if you're running high m+ because it really helps with magic damage and throw rock type hits

I've been using it since it was the first 385 piece I got and I'm not really disappointed

(Also leach memes but that's not relevant)

[snow osprey]

hey folks! while checking out raider.io and looking at top prot warriors I can see a lot of them play with double archive trait. is that a thing? 😄 I mean, if I can equip DC + 2xBfI OR DC + 2 AotT, what's the best choice?

[primal crypt]

@snow osprey hey kelani

[snow osprey]

who's kelani? 🤔

[primal crypt]

Nvm lol

[astral crystal]

yeah a lot of prots run double archive

[snow osprey]

is that to increase dps output?

or additional strength actually works better than BfI?

[astral crystal]

if i had to hazard a guess i'd say dmg

[primal crypt]

I would have 1 DC 1 BFI 1 AotT

Stacking AotT only ramps the stacking if I'm not mistaken

In dungeons running 1 DC 2 BFI would be the way to go

The block is amazing to have

Once the array is at max stacks that's pretty much it

[severe olive]

What triknets are you guys running for m+?

[open bluff]

depends on the week, generally lion's strength/rezan's or fathoms/button depending on fort/tyr

[outer dew]

If I could

High level DoomFury + butcher block or syringe

Or maybe double on use trinket if I'm spicy

[oblique garnet]

Gore/syringe for tyrannical weeks

Fortified i use gore and veiled eye

[outer dew]

I feel like eye is kind of niche for certain dungeons

But not what I'd consistently runn

[oblique garnet]

Its really good for when theres alot of mixed damage

[outer dew]

Fuck me I sobered up a bit

My head hurts qq

Remind me not to let guildies set the rules for drinking during raid night

Ehh. Iunno. I feel like most of the time magic damage is managed through CC + kicks

[oblique garnet]

2 shots for every boss kill 1 for dying 3 for a wipe

[outer dew]

So that it's not really terrible

We had to pug for myrhic clear and we only finished zek because of it

Zzzzz

Wrll

I did it on my mage

Looking for any 4/8 guild for my warrior this week

And don't mind doing fetid prog

Worse of Thanksgiving

[red peak]

Hey! Question about trinkets:

I have several trinkets and I can't get my head around which I should use for surviability when pushing content.

Got these right now:

1. Kraulok's claw 355
2. Vanquished Tendril of G'huun
3. Blockades
4. Vial of Animated blood 355 + socket 40 haste
5. Jes' Howler 350
6. Gore-crushed butcher's block
7. Rezan's gleaming eye 340

So, Haste and vers is the top stats except armor, which I don't have on any of the trinkets (warforged or so) so can I assume that static stat increase is better to have then a proc based stat increase? In other words a static versatility increase rather then a proc?

If that is the case, would then Kraulok's claw + Tendril of G'huun be the best choice for survivability? Or should i still use blockades and one of the ones I just namned?

Thanks for reading 😛

[oblique garnet]

Blockades howler

Tendril is not good

[outer dew]

Holy fuck that's a wall

[red peak]

Could you explain why? 😃 Not saying you are wrong, just want to understand.

[primal crypt]

@red peak because

It is so

[oblique garnet]

Blockades is constant healing procs and howler is an on use dr

Tendril procs are not worth it

[red peak]

And we rather want a on use vers increase then a static one?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[outer dew]

Ehh

[oblique garnet]

Since howler also gives str

[outer dew]

What's your ilvl?

[primal crypt]

Blockades is over budget as well

[red peak]

365-367 depending on trinkets.

[primal crypt]

By the looks of it, it would beat out any of the other trinkets you have there

[outer dew]

Blockades is fine

[red peak]

But str is our least wanted stat? Or am i reading it wrong on icy veins?

[outer dew]

Blockades I don't really value much

[primal crypt]

Wat

[outer dew]

Strength is a high value stat still

Helps with IP

[oblique garnet]

Its good but im not dropping 25-30ilvls for it