protection

[outer dew]

literally has a minute

of just fuck all

even if you're orb walking

you still dps a bit

to clear the path

and wdym the wave debuff?

[manic perch]

the stacks you get if orb runners stand on top they dont get it

so we let them stand there after P2 begins to not get stacks

at the orb spawn point

[outer dew]

i

okay

so the only important one

where they would die

would be the 6th ones

because they're the ones that have to sit there

[manic perch]

yeah we wanna get our DH to run that one on WED after reset

[outer dew]

like this is an example

[manic perch]

or maybe duo run with dps that can heal

[outer dew]

of my arms for heroic ghuun

there's very little downtime

at most it's ~20 seconds for orbs

and the small drop for running away from EQ

like 1-2 minute downtime

is really obscene

[sick sentinel]

If ur orb running u should have 1-3 people

And if u have a lock, which I saw u did

[manic perch]

ok so far what im seeing here from the advise is DPS needs to step up and we need to adjust our start so there is less downtime

[outer dew]

well, it doesn't make sense to have people just do nothing

like i get the first minute

there's nothing really to do

but this guy is not even bothering to multi dot

Voidlocks

[sick sentinel]

Sam u run the first orb right?

U should have tanks run orbs if ur three tanking

[outer dew]

i mean

[sick sentinel]

Esp since u have tanks with a lot of mobility

[outer dew]

first phase there's not even any tank mechanics

[sick sentinel]

For phase 1

[manic perch]

yes im running 1st orb P1 we thinking of switching me to P2 orb 1 cause the adds not up then

[outer dew]

what add?

[manic perch]

the 1st feast add

[sick sentinel]

Blooddfeast add

You can do both

[outer dew]

if you're doing heroic

you can run both orbs

you would solo 2 orbs

perferablly 1st and 4th

[manic perch]

the debuff is 5min?

[sick sentinel]

Or at least have 1 person(healer prefer)

[outer dew]

about if i recall

[sick sentinel]

It's 3 on heroic wasn't it?

[outer dew]

it's low

i haven't dong heroic farm in ages

done(

[sick sentinel]

But even if u cant

[outer dew]

no, he should be able to

[sick sentinel]

Have another tank do it

[outer dew]

i've done 2 orbs for heroic for my guild

[sick sentinel]

Talking about the debuff if doesn't come off

By the time they get to phase 2

Because p1 can be done very fast

Even with 1 lock

[manic perch]

yeah we run P1 in like 40-60sec all 3 orbs

[outer dew]

yea the debuff is 5 minutes

was prob thinking normal

[manic perch]

yeah so i cant run again.....

[outer dew]

i mean

can you just pug orb runners?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah so have another tank run first orb in p2 then

[outer dew]

your rogue can solo orb

you can solo an orb

[manic perch]

those were pugs

[outer dew]

why

are all your top dps

[manic perch]

the rogue's

[outer dew]

pugs

what the fuck

LOL

are you guys all friends?

please tell me you're friends

[manic perch]

our dps does fine when they dont need to focus much as soon as you throw in mechanics RIP

[outer dew]

are any of these people

in your guild?

[manic perch]

some of them are yes also a SA ( South Africa only) guild so our choices are limited

DK shammy and DH

[outer dew]

y'all

are quite nice to eachother

i can say that at least

[sick sentinel]

Limited pool is limited

Can't do much about it like he said

[outer dew]

i mean

if you resort to what he's doing

with getting shit ping anyway

i would rather pug

because that's not the kind of group

that'll push mythic

[manic perch]

well its getting to the point now where shit is gonna hit the fan....... like our i lock went and ran with his old guild to get HC kill last night, this after he was fucking up non stop... Achilock

[outer dew]

i mean

it's not a meme

you can go level a warlock

and get carried to 8/8

just for lock portal for ghuun

lmao

[sick sentinel]

Which is sad

They are the bdk of DPS for ghuun

[outer dew]

high ST + burst dps

• warlock portal

[sick sentinel]

U could remove the dps and we both know it wouldn't matter

Both my kills we had our shaman level a lock just to do hc ghuun

And he did shit all damage

[outer dew]

could just pug one

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

His was already 115

[manic perch]

lol sad thing is we barely find any i was pugging hour before raid not a single one signed up

[sick sentinel]

And we had several locks but they would show up one week but not another

[outer dew]

well

were yo upugging

for a full clear

or just ghuun?

[manic perch]

only ghuun

[outer dew]

yea

no one really wants

to pug ghuun

lol

esp when the group title doesn't say

"AOTC + ORB RUNNERS WISP"

but yea

are you guys really that slow on orbs

where you have to three feast it?

two feasting reduces the margin of error

[sick sentinel]

Even if they 2 feasted, the healers getting really low before p3 isn't good

All that extra damage dps are taking is out of control

[outer dew]

yes, but it's also gonna reduce your healers ooming

vs extending the phase where they have to convsere anyway

[sick sentinel]

Because I 3 feasted my thoughts and look at the fight is gonna be different than urs so I'm just more concerned with fixing damage in take

[manic perch]

solo runners running it in 8-10 sec and duo runners 25-40sec

[outer dew]

are your warlocks

running first?

so they can just get all them juicy corruption

if you're gonna be dual running

[manic perch]

nope

no warlocks running

unless someone screws up then 1 of them will go help

[outer dew]

aite

y'all

need to research the fight a bit more

so if you're gonna be doing duo runners

you'll be needing warlocks + monks

[manic perch]

yeah from what i have heard here i think we need to rethink our strategy

[outer dew]

to be going with them

so they can set up demonic portal + get corruption stacks on all the small like spores

which will allow your monk + warlock to solo run

[solemn kelp]

H'lo prots. Does anyone have an protwar import string for the azeritepowerweights addon, by chance?

[manic perch]

sorry had to go to the doc real quick, @outer dew @sick sentinel ty for all the feedback, will see what we can do, really want to keep it a guild run and orb runners guildies as much as possible but if we have to we will pug. thanks again hopefully we will down it soon, just had some guild drama ontop of last night just now rofl might be losing our warlock...

[solemn kelp]

We can't find a warlock for love or money.

[manic perch]

@solemn kelp there is no string i have seen but the guides clearly state what is best and what not...

sorry that sounded a bit rude

[solemn kelp]

Yeah I'm aware of the guides. I'm looking to see if some bright spark has managed to firgure out some weightings. Just reaching out.

[manic perch]

that order is basically it

ah ok

i have seen some people say IF they enjoy more but thats about it, hopefully 8.1 will give us more choices

[daring marlin]

TW gear is so goofy

I made a horde warrior and look at this

He's 336 atm and just lol

[primal crypt]

@solemn kelp No weights

[lusty grotto]

mornin

[primal crypt]

NO!

[lusty grotto]

IF sucks BFI for llife

those multiple stacks hnnngggg

2x BFI + 1 DC master race

(1 BFI, 1 DC, 1 IF lesser race)

[sick sentinel]

I'm running DC BFI BS

That hc ghuun log is the funniest thing

[lusty grotto]

mfw i have 4 BFI stacks 😱

[oblique garnet]

What?

[sick sentinel]

Happens

[lusty grotto]

you can have multiple stacks running concurrently

that's why BFI is better

[sick sentinel]

When you're blessed

[lusty grotto]

not really, it happens more often than not

with just 1 bfi you'll see multiple stacks regularly

[sick sentinel]

During avatar -> TC,SS,TC,SS,TC,SS

Easy 20k+ crits

[lusty grotto]

depending on resets but yeah

[bronze pilot]

Hey guys. You probably get this LITERALLY ever day but any chance someone could give me just one sentence on how Prot is looking for 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

it's sexy

you're right

we do get it every day

[bronze pilot]

Oi point me to a breakdown link?

if there is one?

or*

[lusty grotto]

prot will be a bit better, but if the player sucks it won't make a difference

[sick sentinel]

@bronze pilot we're gonna kick ass

[lusty grotto]

TLDR; version

[oblique garnet]

Tldr; ranged block couple spells off gcd 5% stam str buff

[bronze pilot]

Righto no worries. So looking better than now but probably gonna require more work than your average BrM.

[sick sentinel]

Still punishing and still need to play proactive

[lusty grotto]

i.e. if you can't handle blocking with bolster and/or demo shout uptime you won't feel the difference cause you'll be dead

yes, if you want ezmode go BrM

[bronze pilot]

I main Brew since MoP but im too cheap to faction xfer him with my guild so im just tossing up playing my warrior which is already there

[lusty grotto]

learn to play warrior correctly and you'll be fine

we have 0 issues in raids

[sick sentinel]

Prot warr will always be the hardest

[bronze pilot]

And i generally Tank or at least offtank so just wanted to get an idea of the situation

[lusty grotto]

we are lacking utility for M+ but can almost make it up in AOE dmg... almost

[bronze pilot]

M+ still rough?

mmk

[sick sentinel]

Because of the proactive nature of the spec

[lusty grotto]

if you need to follow people look up Boost or Sense in twitch, they do high keys regularly

[sick sentinel]

I can time 13s as prot if that says anything

[bronze pilot]

So viable in M+ but never gonna be dat hot sick DH/DK utility

[sick sentinel]

But yeah it's tough

[oblique garnet]

Same

[bronze pilot]

Right on. Cheers guys! One of my mains is Elemental Shammy so I understand the frustration of people coming in every hour asking what is happening in 8.1 but I honestly didn't know where to look and you guys have been wonderful.

[oblique garnet]

We get so much shit from the community because the most vocal players are usually the worst and dont bother putting in the effort to be viable

So you see prot warriors running memebuilds and complaining that they feel like paper

[bronze pilot]

Elemental is the same. Completely viable spec but requires A LOT of planning on the players part to optimally use CDs/avoid movement traps etc.

[sick sentinel]

Our ele shammy pops off on zek

[bronze pilot]

And people would rather add to the ocean of salt than actually pull their finger out and play at a higher level

Zek is GREAT fun as ele

[sick sentinel]

I've seen so many bad prot warrs I've lost count

Running indom+ never surrender

• heavy repercussions or some shit

[oblique garnet]

RavAger

RavAger

I still havent tried the meme build

I want to try it but idk

Maybe on hc run

[sick sentinel]

Ravager for necrotic

[uneven mason]

I was in a timewalking with meme build warrior

he listened though

2nd dungeon he had swapped specs

much easier to heal

[lusty grotto]

👍

[sand egret]

But was it more F-U-N?!

[uneven mason]

that being said, even meme build warrior was easier to heal than BDK/Druid/VDH/Monk this time in TWing

TFW Block is all you have whne the mobs drop your armor to 0

[sand egret]

block dont give a fuck bout 0 armor

lool yeep

shields are king!

[oblique garnet]

Shattered halls

Slight overpull kills the man

[lusty grotto]

ran that with a goddamn pally that never used SotR on my hpal

holy fuck i wanted to kill myself

guy went from 100 to 0 in 0.2 seconds

i had to literally use Sac every pull

and/or LoH

and/or BoP

[daring marlin]

TW on my BDK was annoying

all dem MS debuffs in certain dungeons

hella fun!

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel the best part is that he thinks he was doing good cause he wasnt dying

fuck @lusty grotto

Sorry nimajeb 😦

[uneven mason]

BEst part of tanking some on my warrior

got to really live the "Best defense is a good offense"

Mobs can't hurt me when I'd doing 80% of the groups DPS

👢 🍵 👏

[storm isle]

how do you handle the berserkers in Kings rest

[primal crypt]

kite

[storm isle]

what about the dot?

wont he put it on a dps+

[primal crypt]

their fault

[storm isle]

would be easy if you had only ranged dps

[dusk locust]

one way is to try to influence it to go on a pet. if there aren't any pets, you can stun it when there's like 2 seconds left on your own bleed, so you won't get 2 stacks of it

b/c it reapplies right at the end when your debuff is about to drop

[storm isle]

okey

[dusk locust]

that's what i do anyway, there might be better ways

[storm isle]

60k dot is insane

[dusk locust]

i just watch my own bleed debuff, and with like 3 seconds left i stun the berserker, and when it wakes up and bleeds me again my original bleed has fallen off

[storm isle]

did an 11 yesterday and it was cancer

[dusk locust]

lol i'll bet. dk control or roots help a lot too

[uneven mason]

Boomkin

is the solution to berserkers

cause they'll bleed the treants

+++ expendable tanks

[dusk locust]

yeah that's another good one

[uneven mason]

Boomkin

So much utility, and when they die you can make pillows

BUt yeah this week has been a lot of Boomkin/Frostmage/Hunter for my teams

just some pulls on Teeming/fort you look at and go "Nope"

spend 10 seconds in melee to build aggro and then intercept/leap out and do a little jog while the ranged knockback/root/pewpew

10 seconds because thats our shield wall/Shockwave window

[ember arrow]

Use ravager and parry bleeds

200 iq

[oblique garnet]

Best feeling in the world is when you parry the debilitating backhand on 3rd boss of kr

[dusk locust]

haha seconded

[dapper sky]

What's your IO score Mac?

[uneven mason]

700!

I do 1 key a week normally freehold

😉

(I tend to heal more than I tank recently)

for M+ anyway

[dapper sky]

Gotcha. Just curious if you were pushing high keys.

[uneven mason]

narp

If I had time

Semester ends in 2 weeks

so I expect I'll be able to spend a few evenings and start doing some hard pushes.

but right now - just isn't in the cards

[tulip matrix]

Anyone got a good link/post of current best protection traits/setup?

[lusty grotto]

sure thing, here it is:

you're welcome

[primal crypt]

LUL

[lusty grotto]

here are more detailed instructions:

even more instructions!

now you can do the work by clicking links 😄

i should link it directly you say?

no

[tulip matrix]

What about the uldirtraits though or are thos bad for M+?

[prisma crane]

considering half of it doesnt work outside of uldir

[steel mauve]

Archive isnt bad, but bfi or IF are still better

[prisma crane]

and that in 3 wks they'll be outdated

might as well avoid them for now unless you plan to raid uldir a lot

[steel mauve]

But you still go with ilvl

[prisma crane]

and yea that

[lusty grotto]

i don't use uldir traits outside of uldir

[steel mauve]

I do but its my highest ilvl

[lusty grotto]

that's the only reason to

[steel mauve]

I would use archive over the other one though

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[steel mauve]

Afaik they still havent fixed its bugginess

[lusty grotto]

laser matrix

Archive is better for sure

[steel mauve]

And the dmg i think is lower than archive can with the str

[tulip matrix]

How is 'Stand as one' , good trait or bad?

https://i.imgur.com/hzxOtfW.png

[astral crystal]

3 WEEKS til 8.1

get your dongers ready

probably ok for pvpiss

good chance it doesnt proc all that often at all in pve

[stone crag]

ready for nothing 👏

[lusty grotto]

if its not in the guide it's worse than anything listed there @tulip matrix

[uneven mason]

130armor and 5000 more HP...

well

I Mean, its not nothing

just, next to nothing

[astral crystal]

hell yeah art

im ready for disappointment too

[uneven mason]

I'm scurd

that they might decide we OP

and nerf us

[modern brook]

Lol @ this week 😢

Kings REst + 5 44minute is minimum on tichondrius

[compact crest]

what ilvl is best for +7s?

[modern brook]

+2 on THrall 😦

[uneven mason]

whatever you can +2 a 5 at

@compact crest M+ is more or less about knowing how to do the dungeon not Ilvl

ilvl just makes mistakes not kill you

that being said

[compact crest]

I'm helping my guild push Mythics. I just want a bases ilvl to make sure ppl are near ready for it

[uneven mason]

at 380 I can bulldozer a +7 on Teeming fort

so

380 is best

[modern brook]

If you're looking for "X ilvl considers +7 progression content"

go by item drops

[uneven mason]

355 iirc

[compact crest]

so +7 = Normal Raid content

[uneven mason]

can't think of it that way

heh

[modern brook]

I mean its different content

but if you're just trying to numbers through it

[compact crest]

lol I meant for ilvl drops

[uneven mason]

M+ is way more technical than raids

yeah mor or less

[sand egret]

gets on soapbox

[uneven mason]

you can +1 a 7 probably with avg normal raid playstyle

[compact crest]

I love M+ more than Raid. I find it more challenging and smaller groups is nice

[sand egret]

ooook

[uneven mason]

without any wipes

[sand egret]

story time

[uneven mason]

I'm out

[sand egret]

how many humanoids can 2 warlocks cc at once

[modern brook]

I dont play the inferior war class

[sand egret]

in a big open field of roses

[modern brook]

😠

[sand egret]

well, my pea warrior brain can say 4 total

fear x2 and seduce x2 but oh man when we're sitting on the priestess pack in AD and I'm sitting on my baer asking for CC

[uneven mason]

Not even our greatest legend plays Warrior @modern brook

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494653856064733194/509484690433114114/unknown.png

[sand egret]

and these warlocks have prob never even taken out a succubi before.

man did I miss my warrior

[modern brook]

I cant blame him lol

If i was competing at MDI I'd drop warrior in a second

[sand egret]

loool

that was a dark day

[compact crest]

what makes Arms better than Fury?

[ember arrow]

are we surprised

[modern brook]

Yall would do the same lol

[sand egret]

AND

[modern brook]

@compact crest #arms

[compact crest]

lol @modern brook - What makes it better though?

[ember arrow]

idk

ask in the channels dedicated

[uneven mason]

nothing

[ember arrow]

to the spec

[stone crag]

how would prot know..

[uneven mason]

No shield, I dunno

[ember arrow]

well

[sand egret]

ignores

[ember arrow]

arms has better defensive

[compact crest]

whoa lol sorry, my bad. I thought I posted in Fury XD

I apologize

[ember arrow]

xd

[sand egret]

lool

nope, we like getting hit here

[old night]

omg i just read the sense mdi post

its like finding out santa isnt real

[stone crag]

he didn't want to int out of the gate

[ember arrow]

why would u go mdi

as prot

[stone crag]

wanted to wait a few games like last mdi 4head

[open bluff]

^

[shut summit]

MDI is all about goin fast, mass grip too good for that

[open bluff]

we're trying to get QoL issues addressed, not be seen as OP and nerfed to the point where we literally suck

[ember arrow]

not only mass grip

[old night]

I need to get my bdk to 120

[shut summit]

actually think tanks a lot closer this xpac than last for m+ shit, our damage is nothing to ignore

just easier to do it on DK so people play it

[ember arrow]

can u do dmg and facetank a +20?

[old night]

the mass grip alone makes it so nice

[shut summit]

ive done it on a 19

[old night]

shit just death grip makes it nice

[shut summit]

so prolly?

[ember arrow]

hmm idk

[sand egret]

🍿

[old night]

yo sense just curious whyd you go blood elf from tauren

[ember arrow]

bnet uninstalled so maybe things changed

[old night]

cosmetics?

[ember arrow]

belf best race for m+

[wild atlas]

Torrent

[shut summit]

aoe purge

[old night]

that makes sense

[sand egret]

badum tiss

[old night]

oh wait

god damnit

[wild atlas]

It’s actually as effective, if not more, than pre change lol

[old night]

i just realized that

[stone crag]

🤔

[sand egret]

who would have thought that removing a spell would have been just as powerful as preventing it from going off (among other things)

[old night]

ive enjoyed fireblood quite a bit

[sand egret]

fuck yeah

aint got time for bleeds

or assassination rogues

[old night]

i wish i could rub my fire beard on them and catch em on fire

[sand egret]

I just feel bad for those lil guys

[old night]

"essence of spice"

[wild atlas]

Can’t tel if sarcastic...

[sand egret]

haha that'd be dope

[old night]

if blade and I are talking to each other theres a near 100% chance we're being sarcastic

[sand egret]

just chance to dot them on hit if they hit you in the front

[old night]

but yeah i truly do love fireblood

[sand egret]

"Essence of Spice"

[old night]

thats not sarcasm

"Embrace of the Spicy Bois"

[sand egret]

oh, i'm 100% serious. Fireblood is the best Alliance Racial

and content barring, the best

[old night]

that and the void elf one

entropic embrace I think

[ember arrow]

void elf

reskinned belf

[open bluff]

Figured out how I got rekt in that Zul pug last night

[modern brook]

@shut summit doy ou have a link to the WA you use for timings in dungeons?

[sand egret]

"Come back to Alliance Elves" as I like to say

[modern brook]

like the kill worms and `crit buff inc from freehold last night

[old night]

my girlfriend calls them "goths who still play pokemon go"

she has a description for each of them. ive posted it here once

[sand egret]

🤔

checks out.

[old night]

found it. saved t hem in a .txt

"Lightforged Draenei - gold plated assholes"

[sand egret]

real talk, since the emo fairies came around I've gotten a bit more respect for gnomes

[open bluff]

tbh tho, void elves suck

dark iron or gtfo if you're alliance

[sand egret]

spicy life

[open bluff]

(mrs avalith may or may not have convinced me to race change from panda)

[old night]

spicy boi 4 life

i went from dwarf to spicy dwarf in a heartbeat

was the first in my guild to get it. what a miserable life I lived farming that rep

[sand egret]

wanna farm old content? Oh look at that a teleport to the enterance to almost every major raid

wanna go fast? bam ms indoors baybee

[old night]

NICE WALL YOU GOT THERE. LEMME JUST BORE A FUCKIN HOLE THROUGH IT. THX M8

[sand egret]

really annoyed how long it takes you to craft them stirruprs?

BAM

[old night]

DEBUFFS GOT YOU DOWN?

BAM

[sand egret]

Taking stacks of zerker bleeds while your healer squeals?

What stacks?

[old night]

all I see is flame

[sand egret]

That's a clappin'

[old night]

dude

real talk blade

how sick would it be if TC gave of flame waves instead of lightning for Dark Iron

would never happen, but that would be so sick

[sand egret]

ooh that would be a sick glyph

[open bluff]

i can only love dark iron dwarves so much

[old night]

Spice Clap

[sand egret]

demon hunters get what? 4 shades of souls

[old night]

oh boys have I shown you my npc mog

[sand egret]

gimme fire clap

[old night]

sec

[thorn yarrow]

Dark Iron Dwarves already hold the most savage joke punchline in existence

dont buff them too much

[static pilot]

I could see it happen, there's plenty of fire effects on warrior abilities

Not this expo though, no development resources to spare

[sand egret]

shit like that doesn't really compete

[thorn yarrow]

give it to some unpaid intern BAM

lava clap

[sand egret]

what they really need to do

(aand they wont)

[static pilot]

Unpaid intern is busy working on shaman

[thorn yarrow]

or spriest lel

[sand egret]

is get a system to customize the effects

cuz fuck UI

[static pilot]

Sure, it'll be released two expansions for now with the dance studio

[open bluff]

i'd be happy with just fucking armor dye

[sand egret]

naw but flame stomp would be a) legit b) very dragon-y

[static pilot]

Blizz programmers recoil in terror any time someone utters the word 'system'

[thorn yarrow]

@open bluff this

let me color my own armor!

[sand egret]

and c) other classes get racial specific stuff

[open bluff]

like... i'd be fine leaving weapons out of it

[static pilot]

They replied to armor dye on the Q&A

[open bluff]

i just want a decent black transmog for the kara shield

😦

[modern brook]

dragons dont stomp fire wtf

[sand egret]

they fart it

[modern brook]

fire feet != dragons

[old night]

found it

[thorn yarrow]

thats because those dragons are weak af

[old night]

I call it the "Fetch me 15 spider eyes" mog

[sand egret]

straight outta Blackrock

[static pilot]

Warriors had a glyph that made them leave a trail of flames when they charged

Fire footsteps isn't that far from fire stomp

[modern brook]

still not dragon

[static pilot]

But again, the xev team at blizzard are busy putting out the dumpster fire

[open bluff]

there's seriously like... one halfway decent mog for the nightbane shield from kara but it A) requires a shirt and B) shoulders are horrible

[static pilot]

Critical issues like the corgie goggles require immediate patching after all

[thorn yarrow]

^

hey if I cant have corgie goggles up 24/7 I dont wanna play

tbh

[old night]

I have a black/red shield and a red hammer Ive gotten since then

that screenshot is about a month old iirc

[static pilot]

I think it's one of the best toys Blizz has ever released, and then they immediately squandered that goodwill by nerfing it less than 24 hours after it went live

[old night]

also when I wear that mog now I have a standard gray beard and the balding hair now

looks great

[static pilot]

If it wasn't for Diablo Immortal I'd say it's the most tone deaf thing they've done in years

[old night]

wrecking ball is up there

what a dogshit hero

[sand egret]

waaat

look at that faaaaaace

[old night]

i haven't been super stoked about a new ow character in a while

the new chick Ashe is so unbelievably boring too

[sand egret]

dorf!

[open bluff]

omg beard buddies

[steel mauve]

Alliance 😷

[open bluff]

not dark iron 🤔

[steel mauve]

High mountain tauren master race

[modern brook]

Green is good

[astral crystal]

i just want to be a di dwarf ;____;

alliance that shoulder clipping lol

[lusty grotto]

Red means dead

sry mates

[valid elk]

Undead > All

[sand egret]

Unfortunately I must embark on a missionary voyage to bring Prot life to the Nightborne

soon, to be the unique flower in this desert we call life

[outer dew]

@open bluff

go get the elite pvp set

smh

[astral crystal]

go away

panda scum

are those shoulders elite pvp exclusive?

[outer dew]

yeap

[lusty grotto]

at least you get a 50% slow Blade lol

[sand egret]

and my own personal mailbox

[lusty grotto]

oh yes, top racial

[sand egret]

nothing worse than being knee-deep in the shit, blocking for your life, and just seeing that little mail icon pop up.....damn wish I could see what I got...

[astral crystal]

someone boost my alliance trashcan to 1800 so i can get those shoulders pls

[open bluff]

i just need the shoulders for the arathi warfront set

which imo is the superior color variant

[lusty grotto]

stupid alliance 😢

[digital arrow]

From Reddit

Still uploading pic...

😂

[sand egret]

😑

[stone crag]

😭

[astral crystal]

benis

[tulip matrix]

Simming for protection/tank isn't a thing is it? Just stack highest itemlevel with haste as a main stat?

[stone crag]

Cannot sim defensively period.
cannot sim prot warrior offensively, yes
Ilevel>haste>mastery>=verse

[elder tusk]

I've always been curious why there are no tools for defensive sims. Simming for a dps is just that, a simulation, it doesn't reflect reality it just models perfect play against Patchwerk (or vs some other scenario that has been coded such as an aoe situation). Why then isn't possible to have a simulation created for damage taken based upon some stats/talent build also?

[astral crystal]

something something about the math not being updated or some shit

it's been answered before a few months agto

[elder tusk]

I can understand why healing output would be extremely difficult to sim because it's so dependant on many more factors, but damage taken by player and damage done by player seem quite close in complexity by comparison

[stone crag]

it's primarily about boss profiles

more time spent than anyone is willing to for something so niche

[modern brook]

I mean couldnt you just get a generic damage intake by doing it vs a raider tank dummy

obvs the numbers would vary but its not like patchwerk is an accurate representation of your damage output ona per fight basis.

[stone crag]

it would be even less accurate defensively

[modern brook]

do you know why prto doesnt have an offensive sim profile yet?

[stone crag]

because barely anyone is working on it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand egret]

because ghosts.

[modern brook]

rip

[primal crypt]

Bingo bongo

[elder tusk]

Absolutely, yet the community puts a lot of stock in patchwerk simmed dps. @stone crag your answer makes sense, it's technically just as possible but the interest is low and it is less of a useful metric anyway.

[stone crag]

AMR claims to have working defensive and healing sims but in reality it's just a bunch of bullshit

[modern brook]

input -> trashcan output-> numbers

[stone crag]

90% of the APLs are ass backwards, talents aren't correct, etc.

[chilly brook]

@elder tusk damage output doesn’t change depending on the boss for the most part, all bosses get hit for the same amount so it makes sense why sims are taken more seriously for DPS

[lusty grotto]

the reasoning behind not simming tank classes is that you have many different targets

it's just not Damage per second

so for 2 different models such as Patchwerk and Hectic Cleave you would have to sim for EHP, TMI, MSD, Damage Smoothing/Mitigation. Because none of these are able to be merged, it just gives you a lot of information that isn't useful on its own.

plus healing required is a thing
-> and healers reactions are extremely hard to sim

[steel mauve]

I wouldnt trust AMR, most of the time they are inaccurate or just flat out wrong, and its impossible to sim defensively, you can only accurately sim for dps, and thats if the classes have a working sim module

[primal crypt]

AMR is trash

[stone crag]

no one said otherwise

[hidden ether]

out of curiosity has anyone messed with Heavy Repercussions? curious if you can get a 100% SB up time. or maybe in 8.1 with the extra couple seconds off cd and more devastate casts due to no GCD on IP.

[stone crag]

really unlikely, without AM you lose on the CDR for last stand thus losing out on bolster uptime

HR still requires more RNG and haste than that is comfortable getting

[lusty grotto]

yup

[lavish oracle]

I still think they should just build AM into the class

[lusty grotto]

they should indeed

i don't know about fury because i deleted that spec... but both arms and prot use it by default so

[lavish oracle]

Fury is the only spec it's not mandatory for

[lusty grotto]

it should be baseline for sure

[lavish oracle]

And it's still the go-to

[steel mauve]

it was going to be its own stat any one could stack, but they decided to nix that idea

[stark sage]

its not go to for fury

people run SB

[ocean acorn]

what is abetter trinket 375 jes' howler or a 370 socketed vial of animated blood?
my guess is the vial?

[steel mauve]

howler

[prisma crane]

for what

but in general teh howler always

i was thinking syringe anyways

so yea, howler regardless

[steel mauve]

my 370 vial is doing about 26k dmg during an entire fight, a lower ilvl howler is better, so a higher ilvl howler is an easy choice

oh shit im thinking of some thing else

im thinking syringe ya

[prisma crane]

same lol, vial isnt a good trinket

[steel mauve]

howler is better than vial easy

[prisma crane]

^

[outer dew]

depends what you need

i'd value vialmore as an offensive CD

[ember crest]

i dont know why people like vial, ive always preferred a zekvoz mythic trink over it

[outer dew]

because it's on use

lol

on use trinkets give you more control of what you want to use it on

[ember crest]

yea i understand that and like lions for bursting packs or something

just never noticed any notable survivability from str boosts, do people purely reference it for dps bursting?

i definitely notice not taking my rezans

[steel mauve]

a str trinket is used purely for offense, iot gives a very small amount of defense, but its not used for it

[sick sentinel]

The reason varies from person to person @ember crest depending on the type of content they are doing

For m+ u gain more value from the mythrax trinket then u do in raiding

As an example

[ember crest]

i do both m+ and mythics, ive just been skating by not bothering to swap off disc/rezans, do you have any trinkets you definitely notice not having survival wise?

rezans is only one i notice, or not standing close enough to party/raid for 5stack haste

never tried blockades

ive also never seen the mythrax trinket or jes howler in the entire time playing BFA, cant get either to drop to save my life

[sick sentinel]

I only do m+, and only started touching mythic raiding due to the guild I'm in poaching me because they want a m+ tank, but when it comes to survivability with a trinket I do notice if I don't use my eye/eye combo

I tried using double crit trinket and even using my 370 trinket prism of dark insanity but I can notice how much more damage I take

[eager hedge]

So happy that i finally got around to kill ghuun tonight.
150ish pulls. Sadly we dropped a ton of ranks from fetid prog cus of people leaving lol

[wispy coral]

dang grats

[cinder nova]

Mythic?

[ember crest]

ive never had roster boss not be an issue

or the thing where people only show up for farm content etc

[sick sentinel]

There are times I really hate having b.net friends and being in a guild

Everytime I join a pug M+ its like they come out of the wood works asking me to tank for them

[thorn yarrow]

@sick sentinel yo can you tank for me 😇

[sick sentinel]

[outer dew]

I mean

When are we doing 5x prot warriors

[sick sentinel]

if I were apart of that id die first because of my gunjumping

[supple path]

I feel like 5x arms warriors could probably cheese a lot of stuff too.

[fierce juniper]

i did a 5 prot warrior key in legion

good times

i dont think we completed in time though :(

probably a lot more difficult now since our self healing is nothing like it used to be

[supple path]

Yeah, would require a lot of specific azerite traits and/or explosive week.

[fierce juniper]

yeah

[worn elbow]

best traits for warrior tank mythic plus?

[sick sentinel]

[supple path]

That icy veins azerite guide is actually pretty on target for m+, damn, expected it to secretly be terrible like most of the guides I run into.

[lusty grotto]

uhh

did you read who wrote it?

[soft kindle]

a big gay

A lot of icyveins guides are better than they have been historically

[lusty grotto]

they made an effort this expac of having discord leads write them

traditionally they were trash

[neon tangle]

The BDK channel disagrees a lot with the guide

Not so great

[astral crystal]

bong dk 🆒

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[supple path]

I rolled up a BDK alt and checked Acherus and their pin is basically like "OUR TRAITS ALL SUCK GRAB THOSE GENERIC ONES WITH HASTE"

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like DK discord alright

[open bluff]

well

they're not wrong, bone spike graveyard is like 2% of their damage in an entire expedition

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

Do you need a guide for dk it's pretty much made to be safe for brains damaged chimpanzees

[lusty grotto]

oof

[outer dew]

i mean

do you really need it as a warrior?

[lusty grotto]

do you need it as a rogue?

[outer dew]

i mean

there's some things for rogue

[lusty grotto]

shuriken toss shuriken toss

[outer dew]

where I'd not really consider if i didn't know the class

[lusty grotto]

i just spam shuriken toss

no guide needed

all my parses are on zul

on my hpal i just read them, does it offer crit and/or holy shock crits? yes? take. No? disenchant

ez pz

????

profit

equip rando piece from uldir for stacks, good job nimchipadin

[supple path]

My regular healer was sending me a tell asking about why the blood DK in their group was so hard to heal, and I was like...I'm baffled, how do you screw up super hard as a blood DK in a +9 waycrest.

Turns out their gear was mostly broken.

And I was just like...yeah, that sounds about right for a BDK

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[cinder nova]

Was talking to a new guild I thought was 7/8 M with one raid night

"How'd you guys do it with just one night?"

"For starters, we're not Mythic so that might be why."

I felt awful for wasting their time.

[wind steppe]

Are the 8.1 changes going to be enough to give more representation to Prot in the next M Raid to come out?

[timber nest]

what are some of the best damage trinkets for prot that are available right now?

[lusty grotto]

[fierce juniper]

@wind steppe I'm sure prot will be played more than its played right now, but it'll likely always be one of the least played tanks because we lack impactful utility.

[lusty grotto]

That being said, M Uldir is perfectly tankable by Prot Warriors. The only reason there's low representation is people following on World First guild's footsteps. There are fights where Prot Warriors shine.

[wise mirage]

like Zul 🤔

[lusty grotto]

fetid combo is manageable by prot too

anything physical is manageable by prot with proper play

so ultimately it will largely depend on the fights

👀 Jaina

(hopefully not Star Augur 2.0)

[shut summit]

you can block her filler ice shard shit

wont be star augur

[lusty grotto]

yay

i haven't actually watched the fight

but that sounds great

sorry i misread @timber nest but fathoms is good and so is syringe

rezan as well i suppose

[lavish oracle]

How much damage does she actually do to tanks? I got the impression from watching preach's video that tank damage was pretty low in her fight

[cinder nova]

is it affected by armor?
If so

blocking it isn't stellar

[fierce juniper]

what does it being affected by armor have to do with blocking

[steel mauve]

I mean blocking is a % dmg reduction regardless of it being effected by armor

[fierce juniper]

ye

[soft kindle]

it's phyisical and blockable

[empty locust]

Has there been any word on prot changes in the last few weeks?

[sick sentinel]

Yes and no

Yes there has been changes, but anything new aside from what we have already in ptr then no

I swear to fuck if I don't get a 385 glove/cape/weapon from my chest imma lose my marbles

[round vortex]

The only thing I’ve seen is IP Cooldown go from 0.5 secs to 1 sec

Insignificant

[lusty grotto]

ip is off the gcd, the changes are in the pins

[soft kindle]

Actually had someone argue it's a nerf to go from 0.5 to 1.0

"what if I need to spam IP?"

lol

[sick sentinel]

Seems like that person is stuck in legion still

[onyx vessel]

1second is real long bois

[vestal moat]

Where can I go to find Uldir Tank specific Weak auras? i dont want general ones that have dps mechanics on them if possible.

[chilly brook]

imo you really don't need any extra tank weakauras for Uldir especially if you have DBM or BigWigs

Since you should properly set those up to begin with

[round vortex]

The 1 sec is to stop people from accidentally dumping all their rage from spamming the button lol

It’s actually a “buff” to how the class plays and feels. Has no real bearing on much else.

[ionic fern]

Wants to try a different tank
Stumbles on Senses YT channel
WARR SO OP FOR M+!!!!
Tries Warr, fails miserabely
Goes back to main

Repeats every 2 weeks

[outer dew]

i mean

become a master of your class

easy life

[ionic fern]

That's why i stay on paladin.

😂

[neon tangle]

Certainly not my favorite tank to play in m+

Pally isn’t bad for it tho

You got captain America shields

[outer dew]

i mean

i think paladin is the sleeper tank

[ionic fern]

The whole post was ment more as humor. Don't look too deep into it.:D

And that you can clearly see a difference between a good and a bad prot warrior

.:')

[outer dew]

I can't (:

[vocal nimbus]

all warriors are good warriors

one way or another

[outer dew]

How can a prot warrior tank my keys if 1) I'm tanking them and 2) I can't find any

[vocal nimbus]

♥

[outer dew]

No

All warrior bad

Need to RR DK

[ionic fern]

I tried pugging a lower key as a DPS yesterday..finding tanks is a freaking chore. o.o

There were like 10 or something groups all looking for a tank.

😂

[outer dew]

I mean

I CBA to do 10's on my warrior

Less gear chance, people tend to be mong, and no io

My sanity is rip

Low-key debating leveling another tank to help guild do their 10's but meh

Seems like a lot of work farming weapons again

[ionic fern]

Jeah but i was legit looking for like 5-8 keys on my DPS alt.

[outer dew]

Hmm

Iunno. I haven't done sub 10 keys in awhile

All my toons in a good ilvl spot and key spot to just maintain

Did get lazy and cba to do a key on my shaman this week

Might level another toon for tanking but meh

I suprisingly don't enjoy now prot paladin feels though

[ionic fern]

I only enjoy Prot Pally and Prot warr to some degree. The others just feel off. 😦

Most of my prot warrior dislikeness comes from my own bad play tho. 😂

[lavish oracle]

Monk seems fun, I'll probably level one when 8.1 rolls around

Pally is the only tank I refuse to level

[ionic fern]

Cmon, shield brothers. 😦

[lavish oracle]

Hoity toity bright bois and their damned shiny god

[outer dew]

Hmm

[ionic fern]

You'll love AS in m+ tho.

😄

[outer dew]

Brewmaster/Pala/Warrior require you to clear 3-5 mythic bosses to farm weapons

[ionic fern]

2nd & the void boss in shrine are fun as prot paladin. Just interrupt everything with good RNG. 😂

[outer dew]

Which is why I'm leaning towards DK or DH arm

ATM*

I mean, you know you're not suppose to interrupt everything, right?

[ionic fern]

True, i'm still running around with a 375 one. 😦

Jeah, i know . 😃

[outer dew]

385 (:

First vectis kill was a shield

[ionic fern]

I'm only 2/8M so. 😂

Most of my gear comes from m+.

[lavish oracle]

DH is alright, it just feels so fragile to me

[outer dew]

Can't see myself raid tanking as DH

But maybe it's not bad with the amount of tank swapping

DH is much more kite focused than other tanks

[lavish oracle]

'Kiting is for chumps' is my motto

I scratched it into my shield the first day of warrior school

[oblique garnet]

You clearly havent met the shrine mobs that keep casting water bolt

[outer dew]

You mean deep smash?

Waterbolt is okay

You can kick and SR

Deep smash borderline one shots you depending on week and affix

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but after you have done that if you run with pugs they dont

[rapid trench]

or hes never done high mythic plus where none of these abilities do anything

[lavish oracle]

They just nerfed deep smash

[outer dew]

I know

Thank fucking god

[oblique garnet]

You gotta use both sr and sb for deep smash

[outer dew]

Or just kite

[rapid trench]

if you have any casters in the grp , they would still appreciate you kiting so there isnt any deep smash to move out of

[outer dew]

I scream at my druid to root that much

Bitch*

Lmao

Deep Smash too spooky

My asshole is gonna get torn a new one

[lavish oracle]

@rapid trench I kite when I have to, it was a joke

[outer dew]

Just play DK, pull 15 mobs, press bonestorm, win

[oblique garnet]

I did a kingsrest and i had a dh complaining that i didnt kite the 2 champions when im at 90% health

Like why would i kite if i dont have to

[outer dew]

Oh

Are the champions the enrage ones?

[oblique garnet]

Ye

[outer dew]

They go 0-100 rq

[oblique garnet]

Not anymore

[outer dew]

I've just accepted my ass is only coming back in when they press their should

[oblique garnet]

They nerfed the enrage by 50%

[outer dew]

Bless

I remember just two

[marble cipher]

Roll BrM for tanking, and enjoy reactive tanking in stead of proactive 😉

[outer dew]

Fucking bringing me from 100 to like .6% this week

[marble cipher]

"oh, something hit me" 😄

[oblique garnet]

I have a brm

Its so boring

[marble cipher]

coming from prot warr, I kinda understand, though I don't think they're really boring (biased since it's my main though)

[outer dew]

Need to look at more tank monks

I'm more worried about some tank monks than myself when I'm on an alt

[ionic fern]

I used to main Brew before..moving over to prot pally was a nice change for me.,.a lot more interesting playstyle.. : o
It's up to personal preference tho.

[outer dew]

Chilling on my mage for keys as I watch a brewmaster gets molested

[junior igloo]

The problem with monks is that there is barely any option to play badly or well.
Whatever you do is about neutral

[outer dew]

I don't like current itteration of brew

[marble cipher]

yeah, it's a bit odd

a bad monk will still perform quite ok, a very good monk will only perform slightly better

[outer dew]

There's no managing of brews anymore

[junior igloo]

For example - you can keep ISB up and stagger more, which is good because you take smaller spikes of damage.
Or you can not do that and purify more which is good because you take less damage overall.
And we don't even know which is better - both options are about equally good in most situations

[lavish oracle]

Are they changing brew in any meaningful way in 8.1?

[oblique garnet]

Not that theres been any patch notes really

I think they nerfed stagger by like 1% or some bs like that

[outer dew]

Wait. I remember why I won't level another tank

My RL finna make me play that over warrior next tier

If I do level an alt. Gotta keep'em under the wraps

Finna ain't benching my warrior

[junior igloo]

Just level a druid 😄

[ionic fern]

I've blown off so many RL's it's not even funny cause "but brewmaster..."

[lavish oracle]

Pretend you're leveling it for mistweaver

[ionic fern]

"1/8M GUILD LOOKING FOR ONLY(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) BREWMASTER"

[oblique garnet]

I was applying for a guild that asked me if i were ok to roll to brm from my 383 warrior

[lavish oracle]

Lol

[oblique garnet]

Like id understand if they were racing for WF

But they were 4/8

[ionic fern]

Good thing is that re-rolling to Brewmaster is easy af since you don't even have to know the class to be able to raid tank.

[outer dew]

I'm wheezing

[ionic fern]

😉

[outer dew]

If you're 4/8 ya ain't got that many options

[oblique garnet]

No kidding

[outer dew]

And ridiculous to expect me to RR at this point of the tier

You would be losing 10 RA stacks

[oblique garnet]

I mean im avg 99 on logs on all mythic hr and nm but nah lets make him play a monk where he does fuckall

[outer dew]

I mean

Main reason I play a tank is that I enjoy it

But also I don't like chasing numbers

If I'm a dps, I get very bothered if I'm not top

[ionic fern]

I chase numbers as a tank. 😄

Also, the nr1 reason i play a tank is cause i cba with the que timers & being declined for a group as a DPS.

😂

[junior igloo]

You prefer to be declined as tank? 😃

[zinc creek]

kek

[ionic fern]

Declined as a tank..is that a thing?:o

[lavish oracle]

Hello, yes, we're prot warriors

[ionic fern]

I don't do high enough keys as prot warrior to get declined. 😂

I do the higher ones on my pally.

[lavish oracle]

Although I tend to just get wait listed into oblivion instead of declined

[oblique garnet]

I get accepted to +10s allt he time its all about your rio score

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I get accepted but its definitely not a 100% success rate

And I know 1100 isn't like god tier rio but I don't think its too shabby

[marble cipher]

I generally never run pugs for keys tbf, 80% of pugs will start blaming or flaming and if it's not their key, they just leave

[ember arrow]

Epic

[marble cipher]

😄

[ember arrow]

Pugs can be good

Most of my wow friebds are from pugs

Since as tank you decide the pace, i think your perfornance is most important

[marble cipher]

yeah, they can, but often they aren't. And they'll flame you for being too slow or pulling to little

and then you speed up or pull more, and they can't handle it 😄

[ionic fern]

If you do 12+ keys the pugs are decent.

Below that they tend to be horrid.

[marble cipher]

True, the higher you go, the better they go usually

[primal crypt]

"I heard you have a dk, you sure you want to app on your warrior?" - App denied. Thank you for applying.

Question, any of you guys ever had viewers buy you shit?

I think it's the oddest thing that people do that

[ember arrow]

no

[primal crypt]

y not

[sweet kettle]

when will blizzard fix the teleporting the tank back to the adds bug

it drives me mad every time it happens

[amber siren]

afaik it's their idea of a fix for mob evading exploits e.g. the cats in darkheart thicket without them actually having to fix the issue

kinda like a catch-all bandaid

[primal crypt]

Yeah, it's working as intended

There won't be a fix for it

[sweet kettle]

i am trying to los some adds and they teleport me back to them

[primal crypt]

Stop exploiting and grip them

😂

[sweet kettle]

los is an exploit?

[primal crypt]

Obviously

No one does it anymore so it must be a bannable offense

Healers would rather die than LoS

[amber siren]

it's not perfect by any means, and it's really frustrating. If you walk over any terrain that the server deems inaccessible for a mob to follow, it'll put you back. E.g. walking over objects such as tables or chairs, jumping over barriers, buggy terrain

[ember arrow]

@primal crypt because i dont stream

big brain

[sweet kettle]

i think blizzard fucked the pathing in bfa zones

[ember arrow]

@amber siren mindcontrollng guards in atal

[sweet kettle]

charge is bugged adds teleport you for no reason

[ember arrow]

u get ported toentrance

[amber siren]

yeah CC is pretty finnicky as well

[primal crypt]

@ember arrow well maybe you should

Then we could chat about it 500 iq

[ember arrow]

we can now

[amber siren]

over all it's a pretty sloppy system designed for them to put no effort into actually fixing terrain issues

[primal crypt]

Atal is definitely the worst

One wrong move and bam you're dead

[ember arrow]

i have a fix to m+ terrain

i uninstalled bnet

👌

no more buggy bliz games

[amber siren]

My favourite is if someone accidentally pulls a stalker when going to Rezan, instead of it going down the stairs it'll constantly teleport you back to him 👏

[primal crypt]

You'll be back

[ember arrow]

i will if game gets reverted t olegion

or if they make a good expansion

[primal crypt]

@amber siren have you experienced the boss reset bug yet

[amber siren]

I don't think I have

[primal crypt]

If you pull a raptor and los the fear

The raptor can get stuck behind the stairs

[sweet kettle]

yeah @amber siren

[primal crypt]

If it doesn't come loose and attack you again, boss fight resets

[sweet kettle]

i still dont understand why the pathing of bfa zones behaves like that it worked fine in legion and before how can they fuck up the things that works for so long

[primal crypt]

Even at 0.02%

[amber siren]

lmao amazing

[primal crypt]

After you popped everything

Including lust

[ember arrow]

@sweet kettle they made bfa

[primal crypt]

And pots

[ember arrow]

so thats a thing

[primal crypt]

Feelsgoodman

[amber siren]

I've found BFA mythics much easier to handle by not taking it seriously at all, I mean yesterday when doing M+ cc'd mobs were still doing orbs for example

Like what can you even do 🤷

[sweet kettle]

they fixed it KAPPA

[ember arrow]

what orbs?

explosive?

they did it in legion

[primal crypt]

LOL

nice hotfix blizz

[ember arrow]

one thing i remember about explosives

[sweet kettle]

the only thing they managed to fix was the explosive orbs HP cause it would be pretty sad if they fucked up math

[ember arrow]

they spawn explosives