protection

[steel mauve]

how about when satchels actually dropped stuff

like mnounts and sahit

[vocal nimbus]

Subjective

I would take one single rune instead of a mount

[oblique garnet]

Its 1k + anywhere inbetween 1-7 augment runes

In my experience

But seriously nobody done done kr on high keys this week? Or +10

[brittle timber]

So that vid of jaina looks like she's just gonna murder warriors if she just chain casts constantly

[final mist]

Her filler spell that targets tanks is Physical damage. I believe it's reduced by armor, but I'm not sure.

I'm hoping they'll learn and make it function as a casted melee, but that's a stretch to make tbh

[sick sentinel]

god make it blockable

mastery stacking incoming

[shut summit]

Ice shard from her is blockable

@brittle timber

[brittle timber]

Cool. I saw some talk here earlier about her maybe being star augur 2.0 and i didn't get it til after i saw it but....damn nighthold was scary

[tidal sparrow]

Does IP satisfy mitigation checks?

[shut summit]

What mitigation checks?

[tidal sparrow]

I am not sure what they might be right now, but like in Legion on Darg w/e if you didnt have AM up for his swing thing, he would send you flying

[shut summit]

Those don't really exist in that format anymore

There are things you want to use mitigation for but not things that punish you like that

[tidal sparrow]

ofc, just wasnt sure if there were any in BFA

[ember crest]

How do you guys handle Zul shadow before final boss in KR? Had a great +14 run, then we came to that guy and I got completely wrecked, did SR when I could, cycled every CD i had and still died with everything on CD by like 20%~

[astral crystal]

kite

and lust it

[shut summit]

Get huge threat / tank as long as possible, kite when your shit is spent

[astral crystal]

if you die just release and run back

you spawn in 3rd boss room

[ember crest]

just back across the bridge?

[sick sentinel]

yeah once you outrange is like 20 yards it follows the tank

run to 3rd boss room so if you die just release and taunt back again

it should die before you reach there generaly

[ember crest]

ah ty, i dont know why but i was afraid to kite for fear of some weird reset

[sick sentinel]

yeah kiting in Bfa isnt like legion sometimes they just attack dps or healer yet not for zul

[merry bane]

wow. my aoe dps has skyreocketed thanks to all the advice

[sick sentinel]

Speaking of KR

That nerf

But also fuck that buff

@merry banewelcome to prot warrior

[merry bane]

been doing 16-18k on waycrest +78 trash

+8 sorry

[drowsy relic]

anyone know what trinket combo I should run with for higher keys?

https://puu.sh/C34g8/46afbbc022.png

im not sure if I should drop the syringe or rezans for vial

or just ignore the vial completely

[sick sentinel]

Vial is pure damage

Ignore it

[drowsy relic]

but the strength bonus makes us tankier

[sick sentinel]

Rezan syringe for mac result

Str gives a little bit of armor and a little bit of parry

[drowsy relic]

1.5k strength is 750 more armour

[open bluff]

wouldn't call that pure damage

[sick sentinel]

750 armor?

I remember it was like half that

[open bluff]

50% of your strength = armor

[drowsy relic]

50% of your strength is armour right?

so isnt that a huge defensive boost?

but im not sure if it warrants removing a rezans

since the haste is nice from rezans to maintain SB

[merry bane]

so its rezans/vial best combo or rezans/syringe

[sick sentinel]

It is, but I would argue the haste makes CDs roll quicker and it procs A LOT

I would personally go rezan/syringe in every scenario

[merry bane]

if only I could get it to drop lol

[drowsy relic]

assuming the syringe procs 5 times, its 500 crit and some extra aoe damage

yeah

vial rezans is probs the best option

[merry bane]

I have Vial Blockades atm

[sick sentinel]

Crit is hella good though

[drowsy relic]

its only slight parry and increased healing slightly

[sick sentinel]

In m+

[merry bane]

so its to farming vectis and rezan then >.<

[drowsy relic]

sporepods actually seem kinda ok, ive even seen some arms and fury warriors run in on high keys for aoe + its got some healing potential

[sick sentinel]

I am pretty sure everybody in this discord would tell you to not equip sporepods if you had the choice to do so

[drowsy relic]

aight

[final mist]

Sporepods is never the answer.

[drowsy relic]

i wanted to experiment with it, but was never sure

[sick sentinel]

It belongs to the scrapper

[merry bane]

well i am having alot more fun as prot since you guys got me ont he right track lol

[drowsy relic]

im actually enjoying prot ever since I got 370 DF shoulders

the trait actually changes the way you tank lol

[sick sentinel]

You mean DC?

[coral dew]

No

[merry bane]

oh I got a question. if I get my rezans to drop at like a 350 is it better than a blockades

[coral dew]

Deafening Fart

New trait

Kinda shitty compared to deafening crash trait but still solid

[merry bane]

comparatively that is

[sick sentinel]

@merry bane what is your other trinket?

[merry bane]

blockes and vial

[sick sentinel]

@coral dew that's just DC after 8.1

@merry bane you just replace vial

[merry bane]

vial is 385

[coral dew]

Lmao you're actually kinda right now that I think about it

[sick sentinel]

Ah rip

[merry bane]

sorry 365

[sick sentinel]

Blockades is amazing when it comes to pure survivability

It also scales with haste, that we love having

[drowsy relic]

Deafening Fart is the master trait

[sick sentinel]

Kage what do you mean by blockades scaling with haste?

It shuffles more

Huh

interesting

They did that like 2 months ago in patch notes

I know they buffed what it did, but didnt know haste also affected its shuffle

The buff was just "it now scales with haste" and nothing else iirc

But it was really noticable even the next day after because the healing you get from it shuffling became substantial

@merry bane I would suggest you keep your blockades until you get to replace it with like a 370 at least

I kept my blockades and was using it with my 360 rezans until I got 375 jes

And losing the rezan proc was so bad I farmed atal until I got 370+s rezan and now I can use both rezan and jes

So keep your blockades until you get something REALLY good

[lusty grotto]

right

i thought this was common knowledge

now it makes sense why people want to replace it so eagerly

[merry bane]

i was thinking the same thing

I am not eager to replace it I just asked what was better

since people are saying vial/rezan and other combos

[oblique garnet]

If you wanna cheese damage

Go vial rezans

Also best dungeons for this week are freehold manor underrot which can be done with basically any comp rest you kinda need certain classes

[lavish oracle]

Tol Dagor isn't so bad either

[merry bane]

I just did a 6 atal dazar with 3 pack of raptors with 3 screechers each

[lavish oracle]

Oh yeah, don't pull that one 😄

[merry bane]

well we had to

I didnt see the first pack of 3 and wiped us

[grizzled vale]

does anyone have a link for any changes for prot on 8.1?

[chilly brook]

@final mist unfortunately I feel like sporepods is the answer for me with it having a socket and a fairly decent ilvl

@grizzled vale my man

[grizzled vale]

@chilly brook Thank you!

[chilly brook]

Don’t thank me lol

[final mist]

He's got a 370 Sporepods and multiple other trinkets at 370 or better.

[chilly brook]

Well like I said unfortunately for me

I’d use a nice Rezan’s if I had it

[final mist]

Oh, for you.

[chilly brook]

Yea lol

That’s what I said

[final mist]

I mean, the effect is actually useless.

[chilly brook]

You’re not wrong

[final mist]

I'd just use two DMDs over Sporepods.

[chilly brook]

But the haste gem

[final mist]

Haste gem won't compete with Fathom's damage.

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah tol dagor is pretty free too

[chilly brook]

Probably not but I also don’t use blockades anymore really

Just cuz I don’t feel like I need it

[final mist]

If you're worried about survival, Sporepods won't beat Blockades even with a S ocket.

[chilly brook]

It won’t but I’m also crit Heavy which means that socket actually helps me not have crit for RA

Which is honestly not a big deal

And I’m not really worried about survivability

If I’m at the point where blockades woulda saved me I’m already doing something wrong

I just need to spam AD

And TD

Although tbh I probably already have one of the best trinkets at a good ilvl (for m+) with Syringe

Hey who has a link to that video of that prot warrior who did waycrest without a healer?

[stone crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_66CXYQtyg&t=75s&index=2&list=FLKDhC849l88wyECVGcohjGA

[chilly brook]

Ayyy

[stone crag]

not just any warrior either, boost has had the top parses for a long time

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh with explosive if it’s anything close to last boss in underrot wouldn’t be too hard to do this with

Just wanted to show some buddies

Lol I just realized

The ironic thing is that he’s using sporepods

[sick sentinel]

It's why I've been defending it lately

It doesn't work well due to the fact it can happen too late and it overheals and not when u need it

Which is somewhat similar to the heal from blockades

[chilly brook]

I mean if you have a healer that’s slacking or don’t have one in general it can do it’s job

[sick sentinel]

I would honestly say use it if ur pugging

Because god knows u will have a healer that is too busy looking at the floor

[lament plover]

worth using thunderfury in the time warped dungeons?

[sick sentinel]

I will slap you

[sick sentinel]

Use ur normal weapon, stop with meming

[lament plover]

is the effect not good

damage is pretty similar

[steel mauve]

the heal from blockades is still kinda bad, the stam is the good part of it

its decent, but its not why its a good trinket

[lament plover]

20% attack speed decrease

pretty juicy if you ask me

[steel mauve]

almost always using old school lego's

worth using*

[sick sentinel]

I will stab u and everyone I see doing this

[daring marlin]

I got lucky in TD and got a 380 jes’

fun times

using icc ring, mop cloak, legion leggos, wod ring and legion tier in tw is fun shit

[oblique garnet]

Survived Zul on +12 KR without BL AMA

Idk if the healing was actually that insane or they have nerfed zuls damage or what was happening

[sick sentinel]

They nerfed the pool damage if somone stands on it

So that could help with the healer being able to focus on u more

[timber nest]

Has anyone compiled a list of spells that can be spell reflected in m+ dungeons for significant results? basically casts that have a bigger impact than reflecting 50k dmg

[sand egret]

pins has a list

as for which is best, naw

[timber nest]

where in pins :/

[sand egret]

top right

[lament plover]

https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

[sand egret]

woo I love having 11% avoidance

[primal crypt]

prot warrior is legit about to be the BIS tank soon

over all other tanks

I love it

[outer dew]

Where are you getting the idea that prot will be best?

[primal crypt]

I said so.

So prot will be best.

Don't be a naysayer.

[stone crag]

hmmm

[merry bane]

gotta back that up with proof lol

[amber siren]

as long as grip is a thing no one else will be #1

no meme

[sick sentinel]

Aside from Prot being #1 in 8.1

[crimson sentinel]

That boost guy is literally cheesing every fight btw xd

[sick sentinel]

I am mad i got a vial TF to 360 from doing a heroic UR

[daring marlin]

lol

[sick sentinel]

10 more ilvls and i could actually use it

[primal crypt]

that's proof.

I said we the best.

[sand egret]

Man does have a point.

[primal crypt]

Korea #1 btw

Boost <3

[stone crag]

by quite a large margin... https://puu.sh/C122v/6aac134228.png

[chilly brook]

I’m not sure I’d say 40 points is all that large

But either way, that just comes down to how well can you cheese the boss to make yourself get extra points

[stone crag]

of course

[chilly brook]

All Star points aren’t really anything to pay attention to

Not saying that Boost isn’t a beast mind you

[oblique garnet]

If you check any of his logs he is actually taking less damage than their brewmaster and needing less healing aswell

[daring marlin]

yeh

[chilly brook]

That’s not anything new for Prot Warriors and brewmasters lol

I was in the same boat with ours

[oblique garnet]

yeah but when he has smaller ehrps than brewmaster

[chilly brook]

Again

That was the same for me

[open bluff]

brm will always have the highest dtps and ehrps

[chilly brook]

^

They just happen to be super consistent and smooth

[open bluff]

they're irrelevant when comparing anything except two tanks of the same spec

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t say it’s irrelevant tbh

It does help put things in perspective

[open bluff]

well, it depends on what you're comparing though

because a brm or bdk will always have higher dtps than other tanks

a brm will always have a higher ehrps

[chilly brook]

Like the fact that Blood isn’t as self sufficient in raids that people like to say they are

And that yes they can heal up a lot of the damage from trash but they still require a sizeable amount of healing from healers

BrM is kinda the exception to EHRPS and DTPS rules

[open bluff]

^

[chilly brook]

Other than that it’s a valid metric for comparing all the tanks, you just have to look at the rest of the picture as well

It’s not the one stop shop for metrics

[lusty grotto]

hey, stop with the bdk talk, you'll summon levko

🙃

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m pretty sure saying his name does a better job

[lusty grotto]

fffffffffuuuuuuuu

[oblique garnet]

Levko is mia anyways you wont summon him

[chilly brook]

Btw

Completely off topic

But Overlord was a dope movie

[lusty grotto]

man i'm kinda pissed that i can't gift preorders... trying to gift BFV to my brother

[chilly brook]

🤢

[lusty grotto]

or at least pre-loads in origin

hey diss EA all you want, don't diss BF

plus no DLC/lootboxes horray!

[chilly brook]

I’ll diss it all I want

[lusty grotto]

ive played BFs since 1942

[chilly brook]

“Don’t like it don’t buy it” ok ez

[lusty grotto]

i love em

[chilly brook]

Bought and played every battlefield since BF2

[lusty grotto]

obviously Bad Company 2 is the best one

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[lusty grotto]

BF2 right behind sure

[chilly brook]

But I personally didn’t want WW2

[lusty grotto]

then BF4

yeah i get that

hopefully they'll do something different in 6

[chilly brook]

And especially not WW2 with cyberpunk amputee women on the front line

With cricket bats

And airborne soldiers with katanas

[lusty grotto]

that's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be

[oblique garnet]

Do you actually believe there wont be lootboxes

[chilly brook]

Enough for me to steer clear

[lusty grotto]

there will be loot boxes, i'm sure

just with cosmetic crap that i dont care about

[oblique garnet]

And dlcs etc

100%

[lusty grotto]

either way i'm not buying any of them lol

[oblique garnet]

They will ask money

[chilly brook]

Especially when the BFV guys sit there and try and tell us we’re uneducated for thinking that women didn’t fight in the front lines

[lusty grotto]

well if they go back on what they've said they will take a massive load of flak yet again - so i doubt it

[oblique garnet]

Theres no reason not to do that because people will still buy them anyways because its a battlefield

[chilly brook]

They lost me as a customer when they started bashing people for not wanting historic inaccuracies

[lusty grotto]

bf1 didn't suffer because of "loot boxes", it's not Battlefront we're talking about here

it's a solid game

just people aren't interested in old as fuck wars

[chilly brook]

Tfw I didn’t buy BF for the first time in years and bought BLOPS4

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but the thing about battlefield games is that people lose interest in that very quickly

[lusty grotto]

i guess?

i don't

but i guess i'm an edge case

[chilly brook]

BF4 I didn’t lose interest very quickly

I did with BF1 though

[lusty grotto]

right i did max rank in BF4

even got premium for that one and bf3

[chilly brook]

But I appreciated BF1 for the fresh setting

[lusty grotto]

i jumped in last week and it was fun as hell

[oblique garnet]

Its mostly stupid that every single fps games these days has to have a battle royale

[lusty grotto]

obviously got to play all the free DLC that they've released

i mean BR is fun

BFV isn't launching with one though

i'm not sold on BR on BF

tbh

like BR with WW2 weapons, i dont know

but shit it'll be free so what the hell

[oblique garnet]

Battle royales are what tdm used to be

Quick fast paced gameplay etc

Thats why pubg is losing players

Its slow as shit

[lusty grotto]

to be fair BRs are what king of the hill modes used to be in ye olde quake

just with looting

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet not really

[lusty grotto]

i still love pubg

[chilly brook]

PUBG is reasonably fast if you play Sanhok

[lusty grotto]

i prefer pubg's TTK over Blackout

[chilly brook]

Same

[lusty grotto]

i mean blackout is fun sure

[oblique garnet]

Define reasonably fast

[chilly brook]

The games don’t go over 20 minutes on sanhok

It’s a much smaller map with faster zones

[oblique garnet]

Ok thats a step into right direction atleast

[chilly brook]

With more loot

Literally saturated with guns

The problem with PUBG isn’t its pacing

[lusty grotto]

it takes a certain kind of player though, i've found

[chilly brook]

The problem is the fact that they’re too slow to fix issues and they don’t listen to the community well enough

[oblique garnet]

Like the first map was god awful because you could spend like 40mins to see a dude only to get shot in the back by someone camping in a chillie

[chilly brook]

Erangel?

[lusty grotto]

i mean, first map is fine... you just have to jump in high pop areas

[chilly brook]

It’s actually an extremely well designed map

[lusty grotto]

if you play conservatively... that's a whole nother game

[chilly brook]

If you don’t have action that’s because you made the choice to not have action

[lusty grotto]

right

[chilly brook]

And I’d argue that Battle Royale needs to have periods of downtime

[oblique garnet]

Yeah ofc any br is fast if you literally drop in the highest populated area

[lusty grotto]

only way to play them 😃

at least for me

[chilly brook]

Because at the end of the day Battle Royale takes the experience of a fight in a survival game and all the risks of that and condenses all the other aspects of a survival game like DayZ

And the reason those fights are so exhilarating is because there’s actual risk involved and people could be anywhere

[lusty grotto]

yup

[chilly brook]

Including that field that you’ve been moving across and that you haven’t seen anyone in for 5 minutes

Which is the thing people don’t seem to understand

If you want action all the time and you don’t want downtime there’s a thing called free for all

[lusty grotto]

i like mid game's pace too

you choose your fights

[chilly brook]

As soon as you remove the intermittent periods of downtime (which are dripping with potential danger) you lose what makes a BR a BR

[lusty grotto]

the whole variable tempo thing in an entire round is something i really enjoy

[chilly brook]

but I’m probably a little biased because I play on my schools PUBG team

And comp play is much different

[lusty grotto]

probs

[chilly brook]

60 people going into the 4th circle lul

It’s absolute chaos

[oblique garnet]

The battle royale esports is just some next lvl bs

[chilly brook]

Not really

It’s a valid esport

The problem is the broadcasting technology hasn’t caught up to it

[oblique garnet]

One guy trying to heal up while rest of his squad tries to finish the other guys doing the same thing

In the endings

Not in midgame

[chilly brook]

I can assure you that’s not the norm in the college scene

Seen plenty of nutty upsets too

[lusty grotto]

best i've done is 1.9k rating

so probably pretty average

[sick sentinel]

Tfw you join a pug +7, they promote you to leader, no wipes+2 chest and they want you to tank a +9 for them.

[lusty grotto]

i haven't played these latest seasons at all, sometimes we go in

play a game and that's it for the entire season

nice deathray

👢 🍵 👏

[sick sentinel]

I saw on asmongolds stream that some prot warr did 125k for on zul

[lusty grotto]

eh did 2.2k rating in early access season #3 lol

yeah that's more than doable

[sick sentinel]

Cuz 👢 🍵 👏

[lusty grotto]

yup

most people don't do it cause they do rogue cheese but yea

[sick sentinel]

Some of my old guildies thought you can get banned for cheesing m+

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[oblique garnet]

125k on Zul?

Doubt

Maybe as a burst

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Yes, 125k for on zul as prot warr

[chilly brook]

From one of my strims

On trash

I doubt he did it unless the boss died in the bloodlust window

Or found some crazy exploit

[sick sentinel]

Dunno exact details, but it involved clap and lots of it

[craggy wren]

Sorry to interrupt, any big changes coming to Prot Warrior for m+ tanking? Would love to dust him off.

[oblique garnet]

Ranged block

You can block shoots etc

Charge and ip off gcd

[chilly brook]

We can block projectiles and we’ll be less punishing outside of block @craggy wren

[sick sentinel]

Ignore pain changes likely, prot warriors are strong in 5 man content, make sure you pick up azerite with deafening crash tho

[chilly brook]

It’s not like we’re horrible anyways

[craggy wren]

IP of gcd will be great

[chilly brook]

It’ll be ok /shrug

Numerically it’ll be the least exciting change we have in terms of mitigation

[sick sentinel]

Deafening is so good that it is equivalent to 45 ilvls

[oblique garnet]

But it wont be that much in 8.1

[chilly brook]

It’ll feel nice tho

Let’s not make me cry again about the DC nerf please

[lusty grotto]

i'm just worried about jaina

please dont be star augur 2.0

[oblique garnet]

What about jaina

[lusty grotto]

seems very magic based

[sick sentinel]

They won't kill off jaina, will probably be one of the ones against sargareas

Or however you spell it

[lusty grotto]

oh i don't mean storywise

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but doesnt that mean that basically every tank is struggling against it

[lusty grotto]

except BrMs you mean? like Star Augur?

😢

[sick sentinel]

I mean, you can use your last stand and shield wall every cooldown nearly, and lower them by a ton by spending rage on ignorepain

[lusty grotto]

naw

[stoic compass]

Y’all think they gonna nerf prot warrior damage?

I hope they don’t but it is kinda insane

[lusty grotto]

they have no reason to

[chilly brook]

Why would they nerf our damage?

[lusty grotto]

they technically did nerf it VERY VERY slightly by nerfing DC

[stoic compass]

What was the DC need

[lusty grotto]

but other than that, they have no reason to nerf it

[chilly brook]

Just so they can buff us by a flat 25% in 8.2 like they’re doing with bears for 8.1?

[stoic compass]

Nerf*

[lusty grotto]

its in the pins

[chilly brook]

We can only extend DS by 6 seconds now

[lusty grotto]

so that means less uptime for BV

[chilly brook]

Cuz blizz likes dumping on our fun

[lusty grotto]

but that's only a very small nerf to our dmg

[outer dew]

i mean

nerf to DC was very much warranted though

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[daring marlin]

thank fuck

[outer dew]

it sucks

[chilly brook]

I don’t think so but eh

[oblique garnet]

But brm isnt that much better taking magic damage as it was in legion or?

[outer dew]

but is very much warranted

i mean, i don't think they have magic stagger anymore

or as good anymore

[daring marlin]

No trait should be worth that much.

[chilly brook]

They do

[oblique garnet]

Its not very high tho

[chilly brook]

I honestly don’t really care about how much a trait is worth

That’s part of having a BiS

[lusty grotto]

i mean stagger was nerfed in that regard Late, but they are still the strongest ones for magic damage and pallies being a close 2nd

[daring marlin]

That's dumb.

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but the trait itself is busted

[outer dew]

No. But it was ridic

[chilly brook]

I’m pretty sure Blood DK would be the best for magic

[amber siren]

Aren't DK's still the strongest for magic or did I miss something?

[chilly brook]

Since their mitigation revolves around healing the damage

[lusty grotto]

well BDK only has AMS

[oblique garnet]

35% stagger on magic dmg

[daring marlin]

The self healing is basically their mitigation to magic

[chilly brook]

Yea but they also heal a significant portion of the damage taken

And it’s not reduced for magic

[daring marlin]

along with AMS

[lusty grotto]

i dont know

[chilly brook]

And AMS is pretty stronk

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

an i5 into an amd board lol

waduhek

[mighty gulch]

is a 350 Ilvl figurine of the colossus good?

[outer dew]

Who the fuck

And how the fuck

Would you get specifically 7 gbs of ram

[sick sentinel]

The other thing that slightly concerns me is why does he randomly have an i5 lying around and no PC to put it in

[lusty grotto]

that seems pretty trollish to be honest

it could be an older i5

i5s have been around for a while

one gen after the first i7 to be precise

first gen i5s released in 2009

[outer dew]

Nono

[sick sentinel]

Supposedly the PC to be replaced is like having trouble on low settings

[outer dew]

How do you get the extra gb of ram

Where is it coming from

[sick sentinel]

He is good healer though

[outer dew]

Does he have a random stick or 3 gb?

Is that a thing?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the whole 7gb of ram is wtf lol

[outer dew]

They sell 1 gb of RAM?

That's the big thing

[lusty grotto]

they used to a decade ago lol

certainly not anymore lol

[wintry gulch]

The big problem with the 4 + 2 + 1 setup is there's an incredibly high chance that when loaded the ram would crash from it not being an even pair.

[sick sentinel]

I mean sure, i can remember when 1 or 2 gb of ram was unheard of and a dream for most users.

[wintry gulch]

I'd say he goofed or just assuming his OS is gonna eat 1 gig.

[outer dew]

Or he's just blowing smoke on something he has no clue about

Lol

[wintry gulch]

That works too.

[outer dew]

Chances of people having random pc parts but having no clue about comparability is really sus

[sick sentinel]

I talked to build a PC anyway and they said this PC that they want to send is trash, since he has CPU would just need a ddr3 board and ram really

[lusty grotto]

getting old socket board scan be expensive as fuck

[sick sentinel]

But supposedly is better than what other guy got

[lusty grotto]

tell his healer to get a job

[wintry gulch]

Had to build a pc with bf recently because his motherboard died and we had the same problem. They didn't sell any motherboards anymore other than the UK in that would take ddr3, so we couldn't use his i5. So we had to buy another i5 that was newer generation so we went from "Oh this'll just be $200" to "Oh, great, we're spending $600" to get the newer gen and the ddr4.

[outer dew]

I'm more amazed

That the PC I've kept for like 10 years still functions performs fine

[lusty grotto]

usually the part that goes first is the motherboard

[daring marlin]

tofu is precious

[lusty grotto]

i have a i7 920 that still work and an i5 lying around

[sick sentinel]

If you take proper care of any PC it will last forever, might be slow in 10 yrs but still run

[lusty grotto]

i can't do shit with it cause getting a motherboard for those two is expensive as hell

i could go to ebay and look for used boards but that's kind of a gamble

[wintry gulch]

tbh I've had power supplies die on me more than motherboards.

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah

PSUs are #1, but motherboards are #2 at least in my case

ram is a close third

[sick sentinel]

Motherboards for me, those damn things fry like bacon

[lusty grotto]

the thing is, when a psu blows, it usually takes the mobo with it lol

(and sometimes the video card)

[prisma crane]

do you just buy cheap ass PSU or what

prob the most important thing to not go cheap on

[lusty grotto]

i usually buy gold

[sick sentinel]

Ram too, tons of deas ram for no good reason, is why i started getting back into PC gaming last holiday season

Started with a simple 4 gb ddr3 to 8gb ddr3..... 1500$ later.....

[lusty grotto]

its not because the psus i buy are cheap it's more like power surges fuck with them really hard, even with surge protectors and UPSes

ive had great luck with G.Skill ram

2 builds later, 16gb each and they haven't failed

[daring marlin]

dude's acting like there are el cheapo PSUs people pick up

[sick sentinel]

I mean, a psu is so boring and inexpensive anyways, nothing to flex about so they buy a 2080ti and 9800k and then some shit grey 400w psu that fries in a year.

[daring marlin]

as if PSUs are expensive

loil

[sick sentinel]

Psu that costs 30 bucks and comes from China unmarked box

[lusty grotto]

meh i buy corsair psus mostly

haven't had a problem with them on my last two builds either

except one that fried thanks to Hurricane Maria

[sick sentinel]

I have an evga one, but i have read that this model has no voltage protection so if i was to put a huge load to it, it would send all 12v to board

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[wintry gulch]

I wouldn't trust voltage protection in the first place...

[sick sentinel]

That's only if it was using lots of power though from what i gather, gonna upgrade it same time as gpu.

[lusty grotto]

no need

stuff is consuming less power now

all you need for a 1070 is a 450W psu

probably less for a 2080/2070

thanks to die change

[sick sentinel]

PC go boom is a boogeyman i want to stay far as f away from as possible tyvm.

[lusty grotto]

right but it shouldn't go boom if there's not enough power supplied

[wintry gulch]

Nim's serious though.

The only way you'd need to worry about a psu like that is if you were like... bitcoin mining or something.

[sick sentinel]

This ones a 650w bronze

[wintry gulch]

And it sounds like you wouldn't so eh.

[lusty grotto]

this is a "budget" build i did for a friend https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4HRy9J

450W is enough for that

[sick sentinel]

R5 1600 1050ti, 8gbddr4 and m.2. Boot drive

Is what I'm working with

Consumes like, 220w

[lusty grotto]

right

[sick sentinel]

No regrets on amd CPU for me though

Comcerned about if i go to a 2070 or we crap however

[lusty grotto]

i'm probably going AMD next build

i don't like the direction intel is taking

i'll stick to nvidia for vid cards though

[wintry gulch]

Hey, you leave Intel's great business decisions alone. The whole "We have a security flaw and we're selling stock before we announce that we've lost speed" strategy is a gem.
Tho tbh it didn't really drop as much as they said it would. That said AMD is appealing for different reasons.

[lusty grotto]

right now i'm good for a while though i5 6600k and 1070

haha

[wintry gulch]

AMD ironically is cheaper to buy if you get a pre-built and then cannibalize the pre-built.

[lusty grotto]

really?

[wintry gulch]

Yep.

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[wintry gulch]

Or at least it was six months ago.

[lusty grotto]

what about that whole i9s burning deal lol

plus fucking i9s are power vacuums too

[wintry gulch]

Example.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-1400-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-1tb-hard-drive-black/5833100.p?skuId=5833100&cmp=RMX&extStoreId=1510&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=775dbe22-60c3-4882-9e39-9ba6b79d74c7&ksprof_id=8&ksaffcode=pg270966&ksdevice=c&lsft=ref:212,loc:2&gclid=CKi-stCShNoCFcLefgody8cB5g&gclsrc=ds

I'm not saying you would use that, I'm saying getting that and taking what you like (especially the mobo) is worth the investment. But there are other bundles. AMD for whatever reason has really good bundled deals.

If you tried to replicate it it'd be pricier. Which is weird and something I can't say about most intel pcs.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[wintry gulch]

TBH i'm not really familiar with the i9s burning deal or reference. Hell, I'm still using an i5. I can't think of any reason I'd need more than an i7 even if I streamed.

[lusty grotto]

hyperthreading pretty much

that's it

[wintry gulch]

Is there anything optimized to really use it well tho?

[lusty grotto]

not really

i mean not that i know of

[wintry gulch]

Fair enough.

[lusty grotto]

at least not in games

other cases sure

encoding for example

[wintry gulch]

Yeah... even in games I don't see too much of a point for even i7. Streaming though definitely. I played around with streaming and immediately saw how puny my i5 really is, although to be fair mine is an older gen still. I had to make everything more or less rely on my gpu

[lusty grotto]

yeah

but even then streaming can be done with an external card

[merry bane]

I got a 1050M 16Gb ram and an i7 8core on my taptop. runs streamign and wow on high just fine

[wintry gulch]

o_o

[lusty grotto]

yeah but we're talking really high 60 fps/high bitrate streams

[wintry gulch]

is it as hot as a nuclear star

[lusty grotto]

for the casual streamer, an i5 is enough

[merry bane]

no. I got a cooler on it

[wintry gulch]

nice

[merry bane]

the top gets hot but cant stop it

Why is Prot Warrior AOe dps so high. I never thought it would be this ridiculous

[oblique garnet]

Its th avatar demoshout +bootyclap spam with 1sec cD

[heady jungle]

True Warchief Boost is monitoring the board boys

Say hi

[scenic abyss]

How can be a tank with that dps?

[ebon hound]

Is not tank

[scenic abyss]

Boost WCL awesome

[oblique garnet]

I see the korean overlords came to skyhold again

[rough egret]

Are you guys hanging in skyhold?

I miss that place

[uneven mason]

No, we're standing on it, the hanging would have been if they hadn't buffed us in 8.1

[rough egret]

:D

I wish we can upgrade the super hero landing for BfA zones :)

[oblique garnet]

We can do that with goblin gliders

I love doing wqs on drustwar and dropping on random alliance players and watch as the panic ensues when huge tauren drops on them

[sick sentinel]

Especially if you are an engineer

Nitro boots when they try to run

[errant wing]

skystep and run them down

[sick sentinel]

Same thing as nitro :/

Funny thing is when the nitroboots malfunction and you shoot up wayyy up in the air

You can glide to anywhere

[dreamy owl]

does anyone have a weakaura where if Demo shout is off cooldown and you are in combat it will make a sound/show icon?

[sick sentinel]

@steel mauve has one

[civic light]

hey anyone knows where i can find Sense's prot weak aura ?

[oblique garnet]

On his twitch

[civic light]

aye thx

[steel mauve]

@dreamy owl https://pastebin.com/40MdquED

[dreamy owl]

Thank you @steel mauve

[uncut valve]

guys, how do you become better? I know this is a question with many answers as you can become better at your rotation, your understanding of which special spells to use when, which routes to take, how to work with your healer etc etc.

but what are the most value adding activities you do to become better and what exactly do you do?

[steel mauve]

Learn the fights

Your best weapon is knowledge, the better we understand the fights, and when the damage is coming, and what the damage is, the better we can defend against it, we are completely a proactive tank, when means we need to stop the damage from coming in, not reacting to it after it happens

So learn the fights as much as you can, and then learn what prevents the damage

[astral crystal]

also call for externals

get a tracker for it, you'd be surprised how much more durable it makes yo

u

[uncut valve]

Yeah so in terms of those two things:

1. Learning fights and how to play to proactively mitigate/avoid damage: you would need to do this for your relevant content (for me Uldir, I’m 8/8 hc) and M+. For Uldir I’ve learned through YouTube guides and wowhead general explanations as well as Prot warrior specific guides. Do you do anything else like analyze logs, watch boss fights from top Prot warriors on YouTube? For M+ I am getting overwhelmed by the number of dungeons, mobs, variations given different classes etc and don’t have a great methodology to do this

[strong parcel]

i dont have tan ktrinkets. what should i use, syringe370, rezan385 and fathoms

?

also does filthy tranfusion leech?

[primal crypt]

so the hotfix included infested healing each other now?

[astral crystal]

@uncut valve best thing to do is to practice, i dont know about you, but i learn best fronm doing. i run dungeons often and try to learn from how affixes affect keys, you can't be afraid of failure because failure is an important part of learning what you can get away with, especially in m+

[primal crypt]

what the fuck

[astral crystal]

for real, yamorino?

[primal crypt]

yup

[astral crystal]

that sucks so much ass

[primal crypt]

just pulled a triple pack

of infested

they healed each other

couldnt kill any of them

[astral crystal]

and you're sure they weren't recently inefsted mobs

infested*

[primal crypt]

nope

[astral crystal]

ugh

[primal crypt]

CC'd around, and pulled

[astral crystal]

real fun doing those single pulls haHAA

[primal crypt]

after

I going back through the stream

to check if we missed

to double check

they may have been infested from missed Ghuunies

[uncut valve]

2. Regarding calling for externals: how do you get better at this? The first thing would be to know what you can call for (who your healers are and what abilities they have). I know this on a very high level and would need to go much deeper to understand this. Second, I would need to understand when I would need to call for those externals and that is a combination of knowing when I’ll be in trouble (which itself comes down to knowing al the fights, understand when my mitigation will be down and my own Cooldowns will not be enough and also when healers are not planning to use them themselves). Third, I would need to be able to track their Cooldowns (seen an add on that does this in text and says Ready for multiple cds). So in reality this comes down to know which externals which classes have, all fights, understand when you’ll get into tricky situations. Any advice on that?

[primal crypt]

^TLDR plz

jesus

[uncut valve]

Dude I’m here at a Prot warrior chat because I want to improve. I’m a structured and efficient person. Gtfo if you are not :p

[outer dew]

First, do you have tehrs CD WA?

[uncut valve]

Yes, though tbh it for some reason doesn’t activate in dungeons. But That was the one I was referring to.

[primal crypt]

@uncut valve gitgud

And ask for externals

GG.

[uncut valve]

I am trying... you smart person...

[primal crypt]

I am berry smurt.

[outer dew]

Odd, check it's settings, mines always on.

[uncut valve]

Thanks

[primal crypt]

And tehr's doesn't turn off

If it's not showing, you probably have to re-import

[outer dew]

But in general, it comes with experience.

[primal crypt]

you can Hide it manually though

[outer dew]

Ex, would be barkskin could be used as a gap for mitigation because CD is one minute with talent

[primal crypt]

^

Everything is only needed in during the gaps

[outer dew]

Your calling for externals is really depedent on how you manage your own and plan it out

[primal crypt]

^

[outer dew]

No, there are times I need help even with SB up

It's just banging your head for a bit and trying to figure out where and when it's needed.

Ex would be if I didn't manage my rage properly for zek

I would need to call for an external because I can't LS before the combo

Because maybe I can live there, but it's just putting the group way behind

Or, if you know group is having mana issues, that's a biggie too.

If you can space out externals which aren't gonna be used normally anyway,

Will reduce the amount of heals needed to bomb you to keep you alive

[uncut valve]

Ah, I was just assuming they would be used by the healers anyway

All good points

[outer dew]

No, lots of healers will hold as emergency

They're not gonna be tracking your CD's or understand your damage intake to really know you're in danger

One of prot's problems is when you're behind, you dont have any tools to stop being behind

[primal crypt]

ONCE, you're on discord with a partner healer

then it'll feel a lot better

in PUGs you dont have any control

[outer dew]

It's gonna be dependent on the healer to pop you back up

[primal crypt]

those healers will pop that shit whenever they want to

then when you need it, they wont have it

[uncut valve]

I guess the two big things more me are still: 1. How do I efficiently become knowledgeable of all M+ trash abilities by importance, what is critical to SB, SR, SW etc. and 2. How do I become knowledgeable of what to pull, what to CC etc (I guess there are wowhead guides for this where they show pictures of pulls but I can’t really memorize 40 pulls before an instance

And thanks for chatting and sharing your experience and expertise btw guys

[primal crypt]

@uncut valve best way legit is to experience them

I went through and let shit cast

[outer dew]

Experience. I have a general route in mind when I go into m+.

Running with me is miserable sometimes

[primal crypt]

lol wat @outer dew

[outer dew]

I'll take 2-3 hours in a key to experiment with pulls

[primal crypt]

oh

nahhhhhhhh

[outer dew]

Like I said, running with me is sometimes miserable. But I only do that with groups I know or I say ahead of time when the key bricks

Most people bounce when they think it bricks anyway though

Very few people need completions atm

[primal crypt]

yeah

no one stays anymore

[outer dew]

But yea, wowhead guides are nice and all

But remember the PoV is usually for a BDK/Brew

Doesn't abuse strengths of prot

[primal crypt]

oh man

prot is so good

not having grip kinda sucks

but that's only because people dont understand LOS anymore

[outer dew]

Kiting isn't prots main strength, being able to sit and dps to rp as a 4th dps

Would be ideal

[primal crypt]

I love just not moving

position and SIEGE

[outer dew]

So you gotta have experience on testing how much you can handle safely

[primal crypt]

feels so good

[outer dew]

Large Weak trash vs Elite packs

And etc

[primal crypt]

OH

@uncut valve do you have big/little wigs?

that will really help track what mobs are about to do what

DBM only tells you to interrupt everything

[astral crystal]

have a good nameplate addon too

that lets you track buffs/debuffs and casts

my enemy castbar is a huge block right above my character

[uncut valve]

Thanks guys. I only have DBM, most ppl say it’s better than BW but I don’t really know why? My Ui is ElvUI that I’ve tried to find good profile to that would complement Ipse’s WA but most lack in something

[steel mauve]

Its personal preference imo for bigwigs or dbm, just whatever you like the look of more honestly

[south yarrow]

DBM is being developed full-time by its creator, so that could be a plus

Whereas I believe justwait from Method helps develop BW

So that's also a big plus

Honestly for the average raider by the time you reach the later content both of them will have everything you need

[open bluff]

DBM is also more annoying by default

[neon tangle]

I’m a horrible player so having DBM scream at me is helpful

[manic vapor]

do you guys know a weakaura that tracks shieldblock and maybe spell reflect? i dont want anything fancy, only track my active mitigation

[open bluff]

block and IP trackers are in pins

[astral crystal]

yeah i love mods that yell at me

[worthy snow]

where is the prot guide?

[sick sentinel]

What a amazing system

This dumbass WQ pants replaced my crafted 385 pants, at least these pants have haste unlike my old ones

[errant wing]

@worthy snow

[steel mauve]

I have to customize a lot of dbm, idk if you need to for bigwigs if it has a lot of annoying shit on it by default

[sick sentinel]

What exactly are customizng DBM for?

[uncut valve]

I am also very interested to know what you are customizing

[sick sentinel]

Less what, more why

but also what

[outer dew]

I can think of a couple things

Bigger text, different sounds, showing healer tracking

I know the third boss of ML DBM doesn't track her debuff application if you're a tank

So for awhile I had to ask my healer when it was coming up

[sick sentinel]

At this point, if u don't know when the debuff from ML is coming for the 3rd boss u need help

I know it doesn't track but the first spell reflect should be a perfect timer for it

[bold stratus]

Why does everyone blindly believe that prot warrior is bad?

[sick sentinel]

Go to reddit and Wow forums

[steel mauve]

Now that im not in leadership any more i go through each boss and turn off all sound effects and warnings for any thing that doesnt effect me, all that is are distractions that arent needed

[winter pulsar]

First time on PTR, the IP off the GCD change makes prot feel way better. I never played warr in legion so I can't compare it to anything but from live to ptr it feels great

[steel mauve]

I customize a lot of the sounds and stuff that i have on as well, like a lot of the time it has the same sounds for multiple mechanics, and i differentiate them, especially since i have a seperate voice pack for dbm

[astral crystal]

@winter pulsar even at 1 sec cd? it probably isnt a big deal since we dont have the rage to sustain a real spam though

[sick sentinel]

@winter pulsar Does IP feel spammy

[brittle timber]

We don't have the rage to spam IP...the 1sec CD is for your protection

[sick sentinel]

We do in a aoe situation

In ST not really unless ur pooling rage

[steel mauve]

Ya the cd on it is to stop you from accidentally just using it, its a good thing to have

[brittle timber]

With the new 130% IP cap, you don't want to blow all your rage on it in an instant

[ancient reef]

Explain the ip cap

[brittle timber]

The max value of your shield is only 130% of your single cast.

Therefore, if you use it twice in a row the second will only add 30% to your 'shield'

[ember arrow]

never forgetti

[astral crystal]

🎃

also wow that misplaced coma

cmon blizzard

comma*

[ember arrow]

where?

...take, from... is perfectly fine

[hard sigil]

on weapon what is more worth socket or 5 ilvl?

[outer dew]

imo

5 ilvl

[ember arrow]

on weapon definitely 5 ilvls

[hard sigil]

thx

[winter pulsar]

@sick sentinel Sorry for the late reply, no it does not feel spammy as others have mentioned. Makes rotation smoother.

[steel mauve]

ya the comma is fine, its 90% of the damage you take

from any sources

the first is an accurate sentence, then it specifies that its all damage

[astral crystal]

no, that seems pretty wrong to me

the sentence could be run on there

it's not an independent clause and the first part isn't an introductory clause

i also dont think it's an appositive

since the 'from all sources' bit is crucial info

[steel mauve]

Just because it seems wrong doesnt mean it is, the sentence itself can be accurate either way, with or with out a comma

[astral crystal]

i dont just think it seems wrong

i'm telling you why

i believe it to be wrong

regardless

it's also not the first time we've seen horrible grammatical mistakes in blizz text

[steel mauve]

It can make sense though, its giving info then specifying what that info pertains to, imo i domt believe the end needs to be stated after the comma, if it just says from total damage you take, then its implied from every thing, more or less a redundant sentence

[astral crystal]

that's just straight up written the way a person would say it

[ember arrow]

grammar discussion at 1am

[astral crystal]

there's no comma rule that applies to that sentence that would make its use correct

[ember arrow]

ok this is epic

saturday night

[astral crystal]

it's 100% not grammatically correct

[ember arrow]

it is though

[steel mauve]

Oh ya, there have been typos, and mispunctuation before no doubt, i just think this makes sense

And its 5 pm here not 1 am 😛

[astral crystal]

it makes sense if you were vocalizing the sentence because you unconsciously apply a pause before the from

but grammatically there is no such pause

there's a chance the person wanted to emphasize the point

[ember arrow]

who cares

ok

[astral crystal]

but then the sentence shouldn't have been written like that

LEVKO PROTECTION WARRIORS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LITERATE

[ember arrow]

we know what they mean

[astral crystal]

consider the following replacement

While ignore pain is active, ignore 90% of the next 90 million damage from all sources

ez fix

[sick sentinel]

That's nice and all

But will that grammer fix buff us?

[astral crystal]

FeelsBadMan

[merry bane]

Lol ignore 90% of 90million. That would be crazy

[ember arrow]

@merry bane

not 90, but kinda getting there

[uncut valve]

Do you guys use logs to improve your tanking? I know it is mainly used for DPS and would like to understand if learning to read logs of other top tanks and comparing my own would help me improve

[sick sentinel]

Personally for me no

Also logs is not just for dps

It can tell you a lot, even aside from your tanking

You can see if you are taking extra avoidable damage, like standing on top of a gestate during a vectis fight as an example

Whenever we ask for logs, we just look at your casts/uptime on abilies like SB/LS/Demo/IP/SW/SR

Because we cannot correct you from moving, thats on you to do that

[serene raven]

I'm thinking of leveling a warrior, since I want to be tanking; what are the top races to pick?

I assume belf

for more utility with dispelling

[sick sentinel]

No "Top" race but there are some noteworthy ones

Belf like you mentioned, Dark Iron

[serene raven]

HM tauren any good?

[sick sentinel]

Maghar/HM tauren

[serene raven]

yeh

[little rain]

What kind of content are you trying to tank

[sick sentinel]

^

That too

[serene raven]

Well, mainly m+

Especially when 8.1 hits

I want to tank but cba to play dk/bm

[sick sentinel]

Dark Iron/Nightelfs are good in M+

Due to their racials

[serene raven]

and I've always played warrior as my tank alt, even though they're not the strongest

I'm horde though

:X

[sick sentinel]

Belfs/HM/Maghar

troll if you want haste/regen

[serene raven]

Panda just so-so right?

[sick sentinel]

probably idk

ask @chilly brook i think his warrior is still panda

I myself am going to switch to either HM tauren or Maghar soon anyways

[serene raven]

Didn't know that maghar was that good

[sick sentinel]

Duration reduction by10% for diseases/posions/curses

And poisons and curses are common in M+

HM Tauren can be more beneficial since it gives 1% vers and flat DR(minor but still)

[serene raven]

Also knockdown

P powerful cc

[sick sentinel]

But the Tmog I want does not look great on them

compared to maghar

BUT the yells and such from HM are much better than Maghar so theres that

[steel mauve]

@uncut valve im a log whore when it comes to raiding, im constantly combing over my own logs, and comparing myself to other warriors, especially ones closest to my setup, logs can tell you literally every thing that happened in a fight and is an amazing resource to use

Griff isnt a panda any more

The difference in race is almost non existent, personally play what you think looks good

A couple of racials are good in some situations, but its still not a huge difference between em

[uncut valve]

thanks @steel mauve , would be cool to take that chat in PM 😃

and btw guys, I've struggled a bit trying to patch up a good UI setup and am thinking of just trying to get hold of Sense's UI.. does anyone know if he posts it somewhere?

[deft hinge]

Sense's UI is at the bottom, here https://www.twitch.tv/snse

[brittle timber]

idk how he's able to stand those greyyed out hp bars but he does have a pretty nice ui

[uncut valve]

you mean the ones below the WAs in the middle? The ones showing SB and IB uptime?

Also, I thought his UI had more than ElvUI and WAs (which is what I find on Twitch)

[deft hinge]

🤷

@shut summit

[outer dew]

Panda warrior means you gotta carry around feast :^)

[shut summit]

messaged you

[swift stag]

Hey everybody, how good is Xalzaix's Veiled Eye for prot?

[astral crystal]

pretty awrite

[swift stag]

Like would a Gore-crusted butchers block / syringe of blood borne infamy of the same level be better for m+?

[sick sentinel]

Depends on ur playstyle

You can go double crit trinket for a lot of parry

The more safer option would be veiled

[oblique garnet]

esp on a week like this

[sick sentinel]

Yea

He got a 375 TF eye

imma kill you brock

[oblique garnet]

Oh you dont have eye on atleast 380?
LUL

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel I can’t tag that dude you told to ask me

But panda should actually technically be one of the best options

[sick sentinel]

@serene raven

[chilly brook]

Double food buff is one of the best racials in the game

At least from a pure damage perspective

It sims the highest for all the warrior specs that can sim

[sick sentinel]

no @oblique garnet he was in my raid group

[chilly brook]

And I would put a strong wager on it being great for prot as well since you can get double the haste buff from the haste food and you can never go wrong with that

And even if you don’t use haste and you use a feast because it’s available that’s a lot of extra strength for damage and armor

Hope that answers his question

As far as m+ is concerned it’s probably right behind Blood Elf but I suppose that’s highly dependent on week and dungeon

[astral crystal]

but then youd have to play a panda

when the ethnic cleansing begins, you will be first up against the wall

[chilly brook]

Idk who that is in your picture but he looks horrifying

[astral crystal]

take the bogpill

[fossil basalt]

Noob prot noob prot hh

Suck spec

[chilly brook]

Oh look boys a troll!

[astral crystal]

prot players BTFO

[primal crypt]

@fossil basalt you're back

Welcome back

@final mist

[fossil basalt]

I become bdk hha

[primal crypt]

Go troll over there then

[fossil basalt]

Tossed damn prot spec

[uncut valve]

what a baws

[outer dew]

gotta use panda racial

[fossil basalt]

Fuck prot hha and that hypocrites who does not cope with reality

[outer dew]

as an interrupt

[primal crypt]

Just because you're a shit prot warrior lul

doesn't mean it's bad...just means you're a bad player 😄

[amber siren]

why even bother biting they're obviously about as smart as the average lampshade

[final mist]

🤔

[astral crystal]

based elfmn SLAYING this chat

[outer dew]

well

time for me to RR DK

[sick sentinel]

@uncut valve just catching up on chat, but method dungeon tools is a wonderful addon, you can click on enemies and see all their abilities and what they do, as well as what CCs they are immune to

[primal crypt]

Tries prot, forgets to shield block, dies. Calls prot bad spec

[outer dew]

i thought you only pressed ignore pain

????

[final mist]

Don't respond to trolls, just notify a mod and move on please.

[primal crypt]

I never press ignore block

I just count on my mastery to save me

[final mist]

And by move on, I don't mean engage the troll, I mean ignore him.

[outer dew]

mission abort

do not engage

[primal crypt]

disengaging

[uncut valve]

@sick sentinel thank you, it indeed seems to be a wonderful tool but also a bit overwhelming, would be great if there was some kind of preset example routes and some kind of indication of difficulty per pack or per mob

[outer dew]

this is a warrior discord, not hunter

it's time to heroic leap

[primal crypt]

[outer dew]

i mean

wowhead does have dungeon tools links

and gives you a general run by of some routes

[primal crypt]

Method Dungeon Tools is much better

you can pull the packs that you're comfortable with

[oblique garnet]

its nice since you can also plan the routes for each weeks

[primal crypt]

by affix too

I mean...what Late said lul

[sick sentinel]

What I do when the key is hard and it not temple of seth (where you can't skip stuff) or manor (where you can't really plan) is share the route with my group when I am not sure

And most of the time they send it back with a mob skipped, another one pulled or w/e

I run with guildies almost exclusively tho

[oblique garnet]

i have run manor so many times i dont even have to plan the routes anymore lmao

[primal crypt]

pugs dont even know about MDT

[sick sentinel]

The best use I have had with it so far is just opening it for 10 seconds before every key and see what is infested

[oblique garnet]

Like it doesnt matter what door opens ill know what adds to take

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet same

[oblique garnet]

Theres one spicy pack on teeming this week in the sisters place

[sick sentinel]

I run with 3 locks and 2 mages

[primal crypt]

That's legit due to experience

[sick sentinel]

All of them want their branch

[primal crypt]

In @uncut valve

case...he should start with plans 😄

[sick sentinel]

So we run manor, A LOT

[oblique garnet]

Tbf manor is among the easier dungeons this week

[primal crypt]

Lots of LoS

[sick sentinel]

But still, knowing what is infested beforehand is a pretty substantial timesaver

[oblique garnet]

True

[sick sentinel]

Oh my god we run a trial today in a manor 12

Holy priest

Everything was alright for the first 2 bosses

Then we wiped for 50 mins on sisters

[primal crypt]

Tested the KR nerfs

[sick sentinel]

Dude was 351 ilvl

[primal crypt]

not bad is all I can say

except the 5 pack from teeming

is absolute garbo

[sick sentinel]

Kr nerfs?

[oblique garnet]

Yamorino there used to be 2 of those brutes

now its only one

but that pack is still the bane of prot warriors

[primal crypt]

Mythic+ Hotfixes
Some additional hotfixes have been made to Mythic+ dungeons. Keep in mind these haven't been officially announced yet.

Underrot
Feral Bloodswarmers' Sonic Screech damage was halved.

Temple of Sethraliss
Faithless Tenders' Embryonic Vigor cooldown reduction effect decreased from 50% to 10%.

Shrine of the Storms
Deepsea Ritualists' Unending Darkness cast time was increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds.
Tidesage Enforcer's Deep Smash damage was decreased by 25%.
Tidesage Spiritualists' Anchor of Binding cast had its damage halved.

King's Rest
King A'akul's Hidden Blade damage was halved.
King Timalji's Bladestorm had its self-slowing effect increased from 25% to 60%, giving players more chance to run.
Queen Wasi's Seduction debuff now has a maximum duration of 8 seconds, down from 30 seconds.
Shadow-Borne Champions' Ancestral Fury self-enrage buff was decreased from 100% additional damage to 50% additional damage.

@oblique garnet yeah, especially since it has the infested right there

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[primal crypt]

my guys missed the CC

[oblique garnet]

my pug missed the re cc

And then it caused all kinds of fun issues

[primal crypt]

afk

ugh

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

Feels badman we only missed the timer by 2mins

on +12

[primal crypt]

I had someone yell at me for not gripping ....

[oblique garnet]

XD

[primal crypt]

Then he apologized

[uncut valve]

Are you guys an M+ guild since you run trials in M+

[primal crypt]

forgot who he was running with

[uncut valve]

?

[primal crypt]

?

[oblique garnet]

m+ isnt bad place to test trials

[primal crypt]

shows how accountable they are

for simple game mechanics

[oblique garnet]

You can see how they communicate etc

Probably better than in raid setting

[primal crypt]

I had a hunter who communicated too much

"CONCing" he would say