protection

[lusty grotto]

unless you're getting GIGANTIC hits, your IP lasts

[merry bane]

this is my rotation usually. Intercept Demo TC SB IP then SW

[lusty grotto]

it should be Intercept+Avatar -> Thunderclap -> Demo -> Thunderclap -> SS -> Thunderclap and SB right in between

[merry bane]

with Deaf why not demo first

[lusty grotto]

and avatar gives you rage as well

[merry bane]

extra 2 seconds

[lusty grotto]

because you are wasting a gcd if you do that

why would you shield wall

[steel mauve]

You need to get threat

[lusty grotto]

listen man, there's no rotation... it's a priority system

[merry bane]

shockwave

[steel mauve]

If you dont tc first then a dps dies

[lusty grotto]

but you don't have to auto shockwave

[merry bane]

I use it after demoe xpires

[lusty grotto]

save it for when you have to kite

but why?

AM should have reset demo by then after the first Avatar

[merry bane]

save damage and allow for cds to come back up

[lusty grotto]

you are overlapping way too many CDs

and burning through them like a short fuse

[west kayak]

Near the end of the countdown I Intercept someone, pop Avatar and Battle Pot then Charge the boss on pull. Lots of Rage then.

[merry bane]

generally I overlap SB and IP

thats it

if I take alot fo damage LS and IP

[lusty grotto]

i'm just not seeing Avatar mentioned anywhere

no

you LS only on SB gaps

[merry bane]

that is where I am wrong. I generally didnt use it on trash pulls

[lusty grotto]

ONLY on SB Gaps

[merry bane]

so I gotta start doing that

[lusty grotto]

what's required is Blocking, IP isn't. You don't have to use it if you have to save rage for SB

unless you're in a particularly rare scenario of ONLY magic/unblockable damage

[merry bane]

hmm so IP less and Avatar more

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[steel mauve]

Avatar pre pull if possible for aoe packs

[merry bane]

thats what I wasnt doing so Ill throw that in

[steel mauve]

Or any thing really i do it on raid bosses too

[lusty grotto]

if you're not using avatar, you are contributing really low dps to the entire dungeon run

[steel mauve]

Pre pot + avatar > charge

[lusty grotto]

and remember you need to spam that thunderclap with avatar

[merry bane]

I prepot on bosses jsut because I am not great at making gold and cant keep replenishing them

[lusty grotto]

i don't prepot as prot usually unless i wanna push parses

it's not required

[merry bane]

I use it on bosses for the extra strength

[lusty grotto]

i don't

[merry bane]

extra damage and mit

[steel mauve]

I do it in raid, not 5 mans

[merry bane]

same for me. just raid bosses or end mythic pluses

[lusty grotto]

if i was in cutting edge content, i would sure

[steel mauve]

Theres no reason to not do it, except mother, but thats because im group 1 and go immediately

[merry bane]

its ok I am havign to learn tankign with keybinds. I wasnt using them if that tells you where I am as a tank lol

[lusty grotto]

pots aren't needed

don't waste gold on them if you can't farm them

[steel mauve]

No, but they arent detrimental either and only add to your performance

[merry bane]

I have a crafter who has rank 3 when I buy the mats cheap

[lusty grotto]

flasks are nice but i definitely don't pop them on sub +10s

because honestly why would i waste 1k gold on a run people outgear

[merry bane]

I bought the mats for 40 and he procced a bunch for a total of 125

I dont flask unless its a raid or high mythic either

however until I get better I can do 10s

cant*

[ancient reef]

Anyomr think the gaps between tanks makes healers bad, like they get lazy

[lusty grotto]

nah

and i say that as an Hpal alt

what i notice more are bad tanks, rather than classes

[ancient reef]

I have prot war pally and bear all anout same ilevel running same level keys amd i swear the war dies 10x more

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a bad war :\

logs?

[strong shoal]

well i have warr , dk , hpally , dh the same lvls and to be honest i die more often with the dh and palyy than the warr 😃 and this week is geting realy easy after the hot fix last night 😃

VR for the win !

[lusty grotto]

i had a prot pally yesterday that was getting rocked... he wasn't using SotR at all

that's a sign of a bad tank

[ancient reef]

I can literally fuck around on the pally amd not die

[lavish oracle]

I can't say I die much more but my DH definitely feels squishier

[ancient reef]

War is my fav tho its the most fun by a mile

Pally is braid dead tanking

He might ne poolimg sotr for seraphin

[lusty grotto]

nope

he wasn't sera

he was just bad

otoh i had a warrior (was a BR warrior too, which obviously impressed me) that did stellar

2 different runs

same dungeon

[open bluff]

Pally isn't entirely braindead

That's what brm/bdk are for

[sand egret]

i'm blanking.....BR warrior?

[open bluff]

My guess is Brazil

[steel mauve]

Brazilian

[sand egret]

OH, im out here looking at talents over and ovver wondering wtf im missing haha

[open bluff]

Not exactly known for competent play

[sand egret]

I know I haven't changed mine in months but damn

well, sans for THE RISE OF MEME SPEC

[lusty grotto]

BR players are usually either GODLIKE or absolute trash

there is no in between

but yes brazilian

not being racist i promise

[rancid sedge]

LOL

Sad, but true

[lusty grotto]

well in that case, he wasn't godlike but he was doing very well as a prot warrior

[sand egret]

is that where the Ragnaros meme comes from?

[lusty grotto]

yes for the most part

[sand egret]

ahh

[lusty grotto]

ragnaros has BR and latin american players

[sand egret]

ahhh

[rancid sedge]

ragnaros was't br

lol

wtf

[sand egret]

ahhhhhhh

[old night]

i really really wanna know why latin american servers are consistently filled with bad players

[lusty grotto]

it's not, but it has BR players

i'm technically latin american

[sand egret]

t here's prob a perception problem that is aggravated by the language barrier

[old night]

that's what i've thought

[sand egret]

ya don't notice the good ones, but ya do notice the bad and guess what you also remember they're speaking portugese

[dusk locust]

i rarely talk to people in pugs and there's still a strong difference

[rancid sedge]

here in Brazil, good ms is like 150 ms

[dusk locust]

it could be latency

[old night]

Im leveling a prot pally alt rn and had a ragnaros player stay in blood the entire time

asked him to go dps since i queued in as tank

just stayed in blood the whole time

[sand egret]

did they understand you?

[old night]

yeah, the dude spoke english

[sand egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old night]

and iw asn't rude about it

but yeah, rag/qt are usually signs you're gonna have a bad time

[sand egret]

I've had similar experiences with RP servers. I either get stand-outs in a good way or a not-so good way

[dusk locust]

that's also very true

[old night]

same, except moonguard. that server is full of friendly people that aren't half bad

[lusty grotto]

i generally don't draw conclusions until i see them perform

[sand egret]

MoonGuard is my go-to for groups I just wanna chill in

[dusk locust]

moonguard is usually super friendly

[sand egret]

but, their performance may vary

[old night]

im happy my server has a good rep

ive had lots of people say "man proudmoore people are so friendly"

[sand egret]

doing your server....Proud

[dusk locust]

i agree w/ proudmoore too

[rancid sedge]

we have good players, and many casual or noobs, just like any NA server, but for me the biggest difference is that a lot of BRs do not read the mechanics.

the majority of the active raiders are in Azralon (Horde), the others are 'retired' or casual.

[dusk locust]

frostmourne is a total wildcard

[lusty grotto]

azralon has been 50/50 for me

amazing or terrible

[restive zodiac]

Slow kid here. What is MEME spec?

[lusty grotto]

like i said, no in between 😃

[sand egret]

check the pins to see what all the talents you should have....

and dont pick those.

[lusty grotto]

it's a spec to piss me off, and for me to screenshot and paste here

xD

[restive zodiac]

Ah I see

[sand egret]

well its specifically designed to make a commentary on the general fact that chef-looking warriors are inferior on all levels

[lusty grotto]

no food for u

[sand egret]

and it involves Ravager.

getting more tings than a GM Widow baby

[rose moat]

how many item levels is Deafening Crash worth?

[sand egret]

now? ~45

[old night]

^^

I sacrificed about 30 to keep it when we started mythic

[sand egret]

so the answer to your question is probably: "Yes, wear it" followed by "Yeah, I''m sorry"

[old night]

since upgraded to a new piece but yeah. passed on a lot of upgrades over it

[rose moat]

last question.. does the heal from Impassive Visage, the inner ring trait heal, stack or only one needed?

[old night]

it stacks

afaik

[open bluff]

<@&257983573498265600>

[zealous ore]

This is so sad

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[zealous ore]

Can we stop the jews

[turbid robin]

Done.

[sick sentinel]

ahhha

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[hollow thorn]

@zealous ore same

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[merry bane]

theres a joke in there somewhere

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[sand egret]

@rose moat yes it stacks and boy is it glorious.

[rotund citrus]

So how good is Prot going to be in 8.1?

[lusty grotto]

[rotund citrus]

🤔

[rose moat]

thanks Blade and to the others that answered my questions 😃

[sand egret]

it's quite strong mate

the numbers I've seen really impress me tbh

[open bluff]

prot's fine now, it'll just be more fine in 8.1

[lusty grotto]

oops

👆

[rotund citrus]

I know it's getting buffed, I was mainly asking because I wanted to get opinions. I know to get guides from the pins if that's what I'm going for.

[sand egret]

questionable emoji considering the past 5 min... O_O

[rotund citrus]

It's still not going to have a ton of self healing though, right? So it's all about mitigation

[lusty grotto]

i was typing :poin.... it went to six_pointed_star lol

[deft hinge]

better ban Nimchip, just to be safe

[lusty grotto]

i don't trust myself

[sand egret]

mith an important distinction you need to get is that self-healing is simply not a metric when looking at our kit, as we just mitigate more damage

[lusty grotto]

put me on timeout, or i'm gonna start spamming Chef Nimchip transmogs

[sand egret]

me and others are looking forward to the changes

[rotund citrus]

@sand egret I guess it comes down to the fact that Prot feels like a proactive tank, rather than a reactive tank. Like when I've tanked on Blood, the way you mitigate-- is you wait for your HP to plunge down, and then death strike to get it back. Prot isn't like that, so sometimes I don't know exactly WHEN I'm gonna get trucked... if that makes sense. I know I get trucked, AFTER it happens.

I just probably need to get better.

[sand egret]

because it is exactly that, and it's the only purely proactive tank currently

so it's hard to compare it to other tanks in that respect, which is also a point where perception of us is skewed

if you go into prot thinking you're going to see what the damage is and react, you're going to have a bad time

DKs and BrM for instance, can afford that luxury

[rotund citrus]

Shields are also a pretty important part of our mitigation right now, correct? I can't seem to get a shield higher than my 340 iLevel, and I've bonus rolled on like G'huun and Vectis pretty consistently. 😦

[sand egret]

due to how their kit works

[rotund citrus]

That's a really good point.

[sand egret]

yes shield is prob the most important piece

IF/BFI can be good traits to shore up low-block values if you don't get lucky with shields btw

[rotund citrus]

I learned Prot a LOT during week 1 when I tanked all of our M0's for my group, at like 330 iLevel, and hadn't done prot before. But there were some pulls when surviving felt impossible.

Sorry, had to go brb for a second.

Also IP being off the GCD is a life-saver it feels like.

[sand egret]

no worries, think of it this way

How does Superman go into a fight? How does Batman?

BDK is Superman, Prot is Batman

and they both superheroes and are effective at their job? hell yeah

[rotund citrus]

Prot also can do more damage than blood right now.

[sand egret]

oh yeah

[rotund citrus]

It just feels like you're a lot more dependent on a healer.

[sand egret]

our 👢 🍵 👏 's are the real deal

[rotund citrus]

Like if the healer dies, I don't feel like there is a way you survive as prot. Also you don't have a brez 😦

[sand egret]

yeah, but if the healer dies....that's kinda on them most of the time

[rotund citrus]

True.

[sand egret]

esp in M+ there's a lot of trash that is a joke if you go through your sequence right

block is crazy strong

@blazing dune round 2

[blazing dune]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[sand egret]

❤

[lusty grotto]

ty ty

[blazing dune]

thanks

[sand egret]

^ that's a real Prot right there 😃

[blazing dune]

weird it was just one

[sand egret]

blocking that shit like a G

[vocal nimbus]

I preferred abrodus

[lusty grotto]

he probably fell in through the cracks

[sick sentinel]

@blazing dune its cause u banned all the others

but missed 1

;/

@blazing dune also

[rotund citrus]

Part of the reason I want to learn Prot isn't because I really want to main it, but I love Warrior as a class. More than any other class. But I do prefer Blood tanking, probably because it's easier and you feel insane with the healing you can put out.

But It sucks maintaining multiple chars. I'd rather tank on warrior and DPS on warrior in keys, rather than like level a DK. Cause I don't really like Frost/UH.

[sick sentinel]

u should be smarter about this

look in the invites tab

and see who invited the bots

😃

[blazing dune]

You think they didnt just use discord.gg/skyhold? lol

[sick sentinel]

they didnt

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sick sentinel]

cause

no fun then

))

[rotund citrus]

But if I have a bad shield, will M+ be borderline impossible at times? Cause I just won't have the mitigation needed...?

Like I'm playing right, but the shield is stopping? Or is it not quite like that...?

[vocal nimbus]

Thats what gearing does

[sand egret]

@rotund citrus well, it's a different approach and a different fantasy. I totally agree Blood feels great just being this constant heal machine of death. Warriors, when executed well, literally are these brick shithouses that pump out the dps

gearing will help, but I can guarantee you it isn't what is holding you back (no offense)

[rotund citrus]

None taken.

I'm okay being told I'm bad if I'm bad 😂

That's how you get better.

[sand egret]

cool part about warrior is that when you do fix your mistakes (and you will), you'll really notice the difference

opposed to say....BrM

[rotund citrus]

BrM is just always be drunk

and win

[sand egret]

more of a reference to "The Fetid Log" analysis

but true 😄

[rotund citrus]

I have no intentions of raiding as Prot, unless I'm filling for a no-show. I'm mainly interested in doing it in M+

I just don't feel like doing it until IP is off the GCD. Cause it sucks so much to have to use a GCD on it.

[old night]

not really

[sand egret]

well, I for one, exclusively pug M+s

[old night]

it just feels clunky

[sand egret]

it's just practice

[old night]

took me a good month to get used to it but i dont really notice it anymore

[rotund citrus]

It feels worse than clunky

[sand egret]

hmm

question: how do you prioritize IP

[old night]

yeah

[rotund citrus]

Me?

[old night]

thats what im thinking

[sand egret]

yep

[old night]

sound slike you might be casting it a lot more than you should

[rotund citrus]

I might be

[old night]

IP is a pure rage dump now

[rotund citrus]

I almost always have it up if I'm fighting

But I prioritize SB over IP

Basically I always IP over Revenge most of the time

I only revenge when it's free

[old night]

you can revenge hard cast

if you have to bleed a little

but its not ideal

i.e. if I'm off tank during hero with avatar/demo i'll hard cast revenge

for the extra dmg

[rotund citrus]

Yeah cause you don't need the mit

Right?

I'm also not talking raids at all

I don't raid tank, and probably never will as prot.

[old night]

roto in raid transitions almost identically to M+

with a few minor things

[rotund citrus]

Well you're talking about off-tank

so that implies raiding

[old night]

yeah

im giving you an example lol

[rotund citrus]

Yeah, I know.

Ok

[old night]

you can hard cast revenge in M+

[sand egret]

here's the thing > the more you mitigate the less you need to use IP

[old night]

^^

[sand egret]

so if you're not properly mitigating, you get into those "catch-up" loop

which is rough when your rage intake can't match it

[rotund citrus]

Should I regularly be using like Last Stand in my rotation in M+? To make up for when SB is on CD? I've heard most prot warriors are excited for the reduced CD on SB over the IP being off of GCD

[sand egret]

feels worse now since you spend that GCD as a net rage loss

yep LStand with Bolster's 15 seconds give you a SB charge back

[old night]

what im getting at is this and kinda what blade is getting at. In M+ i will hardcast revenge on weeks like teeming/fort simply because I'll pop bolster and route rage into revenge if I can keep demo up through DC

is it PROPER, probs not but its what I do

[sand egret]

generally a trash pack is SBx 3 and if its nasty I LStand

if it lasts longer than that....well we got other issues

[rotund citrus]

Ok, so part of Prots mitigation, is killing the pack before you've used everything in your kit? 😂

[sand egret]

considering we're basically a 4th dps

yeah.

[old night]

I out DPS almost every dps during teeming week for majority of trash

our cleave and demo/ava loop is insane

[sand egret]

if your not topping the charts when you got Avatar (which is up almost every pack) then you're probably not Clappin

[rotund citrus]

I'm gonna have to give it a go this week. I finally got a 365 1h weapon

[old night]

do you have DC?

[rotund citrus]

DC?

[sand egret]

More mobs?
That's a clappin'

[old night]

oh sorry blade, did you hear that? sounds like a trash pack

THATS A CLAPPIN

[sand egret]

Deafening Crash, the azerite trait

[rotund citrus]

I have a low piece with it, I don't remember about osme of my higher iLevel pieces

[sand egret]

it allows you to basically keep up Demo Shout the entire time and it's worth ~45 ilvls

[rotund citrus]

And I'm not sure if I have enough Az for 3 sets :/ I do Arms/Fury and now thinking about Prot... Yay Azerite armor 😑

Yeah, I know what DC is

I just forgot what the abbreviation was

[sand egret]

ah, well make sure you got that

20% mitigation the entire time is ...well strong.

AND that sweet, sweet damage amp

👌

[rotund citrus]

Yeah

I had 2x pieces with it before raid

I'm gonna log on to my warrio and grab my simc code from work see if I can figure out what traits I have available

without respeccing my Fury traits 😂

[old night]

so if we're talking a fat pack of trash I'll usually avatar, charge, Demo, TC, Rev, TC, (avatar loop continues)

[sand egret]

and like...don't be afraid to Shield Wall

[old night]

if its really big I'll bolster and feed rage into either revenge or IP

[rotund citrus]

I usually only shield wall if it's a TON of trash

[sand egret]

i know it sounds obvious

[old night]

nah use it

[sand egret]

but that shit is up real often with AM

[old night]

you'll get more with AM

[sand egret]

like every other pack

[old night]

jinx you owe me a coke blade

[sand egret]

dammit

[rotund citrus]

Even with the 4m cd, eh?

I know what AM is

[sand egret]

it's WAY shorter

realistically

[old night]

anger management makes it like 2 mins

when you get into an ava/demo loop its short as fuck

[rotund citrus]

Interesting.

[sand egret]

yeah it all feeds into itself

[old night]

think of it this way

if you save it and only use it once

[rotund citrus]

One of my 385 helms has DC

[sand egret]

......

[rotund citrus]

What?

[sand egret]

half this channel hates you now

[old night]

you easily could have used it maybe 4-5 times in a mythic+ and saved your healers a lot of mana

OH FUCK OFF

[rotund citrus]

I mean

[old night]

BOOOOOOO

GET EM OUT

😛

[rotund citrus]

I still don't have good traits for Fujry/Arms tho

which is what I main

[sand egret]

sounds of grumbling Prot warriors with their token 340 DC piece heard in the distance

[dusk locust]

that'll be my grumbling

[old night]

i rocked 340 cithraxi shoulders until like

[rotund citrus]

I only have ONE piece

[old night]

two weeks ago

[dusk locust]

340 DC shoulders here

[rotund citrus]

I have Callous Reprisal on my 385 shoulders

and the same on my 385 chest

With Blightbourne INfusion

[sand egret]

I got lucky and got a 355 for emissaries...and then I hit the breakpoint where it coulda been a 370 about an hour later

[ancient reef]

I was so happy when i got a 340 from em with dc

[old night]

oh that reminds me

[coral dew]

Speaking of getting endlessly dicked on azerite gear acquisition, that azerite vendor couldn't come soon enough...

[rotund citrus]

^^^^

[old night]

i looted 395 crushproofs this week in raid

[sand egret]

oh speaking of Blightborne Infusion....

[old night]

threw em on the AH for 600k

[sand egret]

i forgot to switch my WQ fury gear

and that proc'd in Prot

[old night]

had a dude pm me and he's like "how about 200k and i wont post your ridiculous price on reddit"

[rotund citrus]

Wow I say I have a 385 piece and everyone changes the subject and stops talking to me. @sand egret wasn't kidding 😮

[sand egret]

holy moly

it's a touchy subject here 😃

[supple path]

'i'll make fun of you on reddit unless you give me a discount' <-- powerful tactic

[old night]

ya

then he told me to roll a good tank

like sorry dude

[sand egret]

"any tank i roll is a good tank" 😎

[old night]

NGL i am not a shit BrM

its the only tank I'm perfectly okay with swapping to if I have to for progression

which I did on mistress

[rotund citrus]

Hm. Apparently 2 of my 385 helms have a Tier 1 trait

My other helm has Iron Fortress

[sand egret]

DC is like S-Tier

it's basically a talent pick at this point

[rotund citrus]

Looks like Callous Reprisal is good in AoE?

Like damage wise?

I have 2 of those

[sand egret]

eh

[rotund citrus]

No?

[sand egret]

it's not very solid

[rotund citrus]

Guide says it scales "extremely well" in AoE...?

[sand egret]

i mean yeah

but you're M+ing right?

[rotund citrus]

Yeah

[sand egret]

Half your packs are going to be in the Avatar cycle which makes it so every other cast is TCLap

[rotund citrus]

True

But like when I'm learning to tank, I'm probably gonna tank lower keys

[old night]

mith

what you gotta do

[sand egret]

if you can get the block traits

[rotund citrus]

So I could probably get away with Revenge>Clap>Revenge>Clap?

[old night]

is make it clap

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[sand egret]

you'll be far better off

esp if you have a lower shield

[rotund citrus]

Is double DC good?

[sand egret]

naw

[rotund citrus]

I have it on 2 370 pieces too

[old night]

it dont stack m8

[sand egret]

stick with 1 point, the duration increase doesn't stack

[old night]

also dont lsiten to people saying that 8.1 broke DC and made it bad

[sand egret]

ideally you'll want 1x DC and 2x BFI/IF

[old night]

its literally broken right now

[rotund citrus]

I do not have any of those traits on any pieces

I only have DC

[sand egret]

that's fine

[old night]

I had 8 seconds on Demo through DC and had demo off cooldown ready to cast

[rotund citrus]

Unless I literally go all the way to 340 pieces

[sand egret]

take what you can get then

[old night]

on vectis the other night

[sand egret]

of your highest ilvl

just make sure to equip that sweet, sweet 385 I hate you for

[old night]

yeah

you cant join blade and I's cool club because of that

and that club is cool af

[sand egret]

it's real cool

[rotund citrus]

Most likely gonna go:
385 DC Helm/385 Blightbourne Infusion Chest/385 Shoulders w/ Callous Reprisal

That way I can equip all my 385 pieces

[sand egret]

sounds good to me

[rotund citrus]

thanks boss

[open bluff]

okay totally not prot related

[old night]

yeah looks gucci man

[open bluff]

but overtuned corgi goggles

get 'em

[steel mauve]

Thats pretty good, ilvl still trumps traits unless its your only dc piece

[old night]

also come in here more often

[old night]

our channel is way cooler than arms/fury

[sand egret]

Blightborne, when it procs, is a lot of fucking crit

[rotund citrus]

Wait, is this channel that much cooler?

[old night]

also go for the syringe or gore encrusted block from waycrest for M+

[sand egret]

and holy moly when my 2x stack proc'd it was like....wat

[old night]

both are nice in M+

[rotund citrus]

Yeah, I'm keeping my ONLY 385 chest at Blightbourne, because it's the best trait for BOTH Arms/Fury on my ONLY 385 chest, so I'm not swapping it around

[sand egret]

I got a 370 block last night for my crit build

[old night]

we had a 390 drop off vectis. I cried when it went to my cotank

im stoked tho, its his bis

well, one of them at least

[sand egret]

totally fine mate, the TLDR is that the traits (outside of DC) won't hold ya back so pick what gives you the most stats

[rotund citrus]

Cool

[old night]

only consider secondary stats if its the same ilvl

[rotund citrus]

So basically it's just DC>Everything

[sand egret]

esp if you just wanna do some tanking in M+ and shit

[old night]

yep

if its a 5 ilvl upgrade. just take it

[rotund citrus]

Yeah, that's how BfA tends to be with most classes.

[old night]

im mixed on it

yes its easy

but i do kind of miss crunching numbers

[rotund citrus]

Yeah

I do too

But it's easier to have tanking/non-tanking sets

when you don't have to worry about too much other htan iLevel

Rezan's Gleaming Eye is good for prot too, no?

[sand egret]

YES

and is this where you say you have a 395?

[oblique garnet]

nah fam just scrapt that it aint worth it 8)

[rotund citrus]

Only 385

KIDDING

[sand egret]

FUCK YOU

[rotund citrus]

KIDDING

[sand egret]

lol

[rotund citrus]

It's 365

[sand egret]

this guy

[oblique garnet]

yeah just scrap it

[rotund citrus]

Good point

I will scrap it

and send a screenshot to @sand egret

[sand egret]

rood

[rotund citrus]

But is Rezans better than my 370 G'huun trink, or 370 syringe with socket? 🤔

[sand egret]

yes

well

g'huuun sure

that shit sucks

[oblique garnet]

@sand egret

fuck

its a 365

dont actually need it anymore

[sand egret]

syringe is a bit more of a "what stats do you currently have" and "haste is amaze" and stuff

jokes on you I have a 365

[oblique garnet]

yeah i have 380 8)

[sand egret]

hek hek hek

[rotund citrus]

Most DPS trinkets still proc just fine on Tanks now, don't they? Haven't followed that too closely

[sand egret]

tank trinkets in general kinda stink

[rotund citrus]

That's what I've heard.

[sand egret]

blockades is great if you're at that ilvl, but considering you have like 385 alternatives prob not

[rotund citrus]

You can't sim Prot warrior dps

feelsbadman

[steel mauve]

Takes over 20 ilvls to be able to compete with blockades

But thats about the extent of tank trinkets, most suck, just some suck less than others

[sand egret]

I recently switched to dps trinkets myself

[steel mauve]

Im gonna start using dps trinkets once i can get my hands on a syringe

[sand egret]

not really hurting from the loss of Blockades

[steel mauve]

Just got a fathoms and using my mythrax trinket

[sick sentinel]

Unless ur me rocking double eye/eye

Best life rn

[sand egret]

can you use 2?

[rotund citrus]

what is double eye/eye?

[sand egret]

unless there's multiple eyeballs i'm missing

[steel mauve]

Veiled eye and rezan

[sand egret]

ah

[sick sentinel]

Veiled/rezans eye

[rotund citrus]

Oh

[sand egret]

yeah I actually want that trinket real bad

i've got an obsession with how shields interact with IP

[steel mauve]

Its only really worth using a really high ilvl one

[sick sentinel]

All my trinkets are 370 so I'm good

Just missing the haste/crit on use trinket to be 370 and jes

[rotund citrus]

I STILL DON'T HAVE A 2nd 370 TRINKET 😡

Oh

Wait

I have a 380 Jes Howler

I guess

I just hate that trinket

[sand egret]

..........................

[sick sentinel]

Use that

[rotund citrus]

It's so boring

[steel mauve]

Jes howler is bis

[sick sentinel]

Jes howler can rot

[rotund citrus]

Huh. Guess I'm going 370 Syringe & 380 Jes Howler

[sand egret]

shoulda figured the casual 385 DC guy would have a 380 howler haha

[oblique garnet]

XDD

Everytime

[rotund citrus]

Maybe i'm secretly perfectly geared for prot 😈

And I've been missing my potential this whole time

[sand egret]

apparently you're better geared than I sir

[sick sentinel]

U wanna be mad

[sand egret]

so now you got no excuse not to tear up shit 😃

[rotund citrus]

What iLevel are you @sand egret ? Also, I STILL HAVE A 340 SHIELD

[sick sentinel]

The #2 tank below me on my server has 2 385 dc pieces

[sand egret]

that's my one saving grace

I have a 380 shield with socket

[sick sentinel]

Helm/shoulder and has them both on

[steel mauve]

370+ jes howler is amazing

[rotund citrus]

I thought I heard double DC is bad?

[sand egret]

I'm ~371 in prot?

[rotund citrus]

Oh... I think I'm like 375 in Prot

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but 385 is still 385

[oblique garnet]

Why am i only getting druids and warlocks for my TD key where all the dhs at

[sick sentinel]

And even if ur stack double dc, thats damage boost to ur tc

[steel mauve]

Double dc isnt bad

[sand egret]

druids are bae

Tree Amigos are bae

[steel mauve]

Dc is still one of our highest dps traits because of our tclap span

[sand egret]

Mob Central Spotlight is bae

[steel mauve]

Spam

Just its useless defensively

[oblique garnet]

oh yeah they can probably oneshot the explosives now

[rotund citrus]

The best defense is a good....?

[sand egret]

👢 🍵 👏

and now you know the Prot warrior mantra

[rotund citrus]

I've learned so much.

[sick sentinel]

NVM he's using the general trait

He just has 2 equipped pieces on that have dc

[rotund citrus]

Wait, it just occurred to me-- the affixes this week are probably pretty good for prot warrior, no?

[sick sentinel]

Very good esp after last night's nerf

But don't expect to be megapulling

[rotund citrus]

😦

[sick sentinel]

U can chain pull now

But even air in on the side of caution

[rotund citrus]

They hit that hard, eh?

[sick sentinel]

50% of hp if one goes off

Not for us, since we are tanks can reduce the damage

[rotund citrus]

Don't let an explosive go off then.......?

[sick sentinel]

Easier said then done

[rotund citrus]

In most keys I did when I was DPS, we only had 1-2 go off in an entire run

I focus those things immediately and this was pre-nerf

[sick sentinel]

Point exactly, a few were let go

U can't stop them all, and it's fine to let several go off throughout a dungeon, just make sure it isn't back to back

Because then it's a real problem

[rotund citrus]

Yeah

I mean, my guess is that prot is pretty good at killing them. Right?

[oblique garnet]

eh if youre doing +10 none of them really go off since you one shot them with pretty much just melee etc

[sick sentinel]

If u have a brace yes

[oblique garnet]

devastate kills them

[sick sentinel]

Do they now?

[oblique garnet]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Because pre they didnt

[oblique garnet]

its ridiculously easy rn

[sand egret]

the orbs are a joke now

might as well remove them and just make the affix "Warriors get perma Victory Rush"\

[sick sentinel]

Well I'm gonna log on see my df and hope someone posts their +14 key

Because shits been vacant this past week

[oblique garnet]

there still isnt any high keys : <

[rotund citrus]

LOL @sand egret This week, warrior has self healing, eh?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah actually insane self healing

[rotund citrus]

I like how the adds in UR last boss give Victory Rush

[sick sentinel]

It's the only fight I love the most

[sand egret]

yeah it's really easy due to that

[sick sentinel]

Because I can tell the healers don't heal me

[old night]

wait whats the boot soup clap meme

i havent seen that

[oblique garnet]

thunderclap

[sand egret]

boot soup clap!

[old night]

oh yeah

[sand egret]

🤦

[old night]

make them cheeks clap 👏 👏 👏 👏

[steel mauve]

Its tea not soup

Boot tea clap

Or booty clap

[rotund citrus]

👢 🍵 👏

[prisma crane]

ill be honest, i cant wait til that meme dies

[old night]

omg

[rotund citrus]

Did I do it?

[old night]

it all makes sense now

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏 for all

(r) chef nimchip

[old night]

what ever happened to thyme btw

haven't seen him all xpac

[stark sage]

pepsihands

[lusty grotto]

pepe

sadpepe

father thyme wru

[steel mauve]

Stepped down

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know

[prisma crane]

a lot of the old SF stepped down

[old night]

as in quit the game

or just not active on prot

[prisma crane]

cuz current prot is 💩

[steel mauve]

He did roll pally i think but idk if hes still playing

[lusty grotto]

last i heard he wasn't tanking on his warrior

[rotund citrus]

Prot Pally is a tank I really wanna try sometime

[lusty grotto]

:vomit:

[rotund citrus]

Why?

I'm curious how it plays

And I wanna try it

[lusty grotto]

this is why my pala is perma Hpal

only interesing spec paladins have

[prisma crane]

its warrior with group utility

[rotund citrus]

^^^

Why I want to try it

Its warrior minus 👢 🍵 👏 ?

[prisma crane]

obviously differences, but not massive

[old night]

I like prot pally

[ancient reef]

I like it

[lusty grotto]

:vomit:

[old night]

im a thicc warrior boi for life tho

[ancient reef]

Prot pally is just a well done spec atm

[prisma crane]

as someone who only plays prot, i'd probably go to DH next, then maybe monk or BDK, despite hating DKs, would be nice to be OP

[old night]

OH so I rarely share twitch clips but do you guys wanna see what happens when a warlock bugs mythic vectis to the point where we have to disband the raid and reform

[ancient reef]

Its balanced well

[old night]

i keep forgetting to link it

[prisma crane]

pallies arent bad, just never interested me and druids are boring atm

[old night]

so no one could release

basically he hit release spirit but the server thought he was alive and vectis kept attacking him

[ancient reef]

I pvp as a prot pally your basically unkillable

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin vomits at prot pally

[prisma crane]

bilzzard is a small indie company @old night they cant fix that stuff

[lusty grotto]

keeps vomiting

[ancient reef]

So funny watching people kill themselves

[old night]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/336025907

we had to completely disband because he was stuck on a loading screen

[ancient reef]

Guardian arent bad either in pvp leader amd brambles is funny

[prisma crane]

he probably just had to force quit wow and would eventually go offline on server side

[coral dew]

Why do people give prot so much shit in pvp btw? There's this simultaneous tendancy to call it trash and then also call it OP or annoying...

Whoops, wrong channel

[prisma crane]

people hate tanks in pvp in general

[lusty grotto]

idk i pvp as arms

like i have since vanilla

[prisma crane]

because it usually results in long encounters

[lusty grotto]

like i got my gladiator title as

[coral dew]

People hate a lot of things in pvp tho lol. Why single out tanks?

[signal plover]

Low hanging fruit

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[prisma crane]

because there's been moments where they're literally broken in it

[lusty grotto]

tanks are easy if you know how they function

[prisma crane]

like an oversight from blizzard

and pallies had basically unlimited interrupts

[coral dew]

Right but they haven't been broken in a long as time

[prisma crane]

ranged interrupts*

[lusty grotto]

they are certainly not broken now

[prisma crane]

at this point they're a lot of work to get similar results but all matches take longer

a few make it work though, for warriors, memphisrains does very well

[ancient reef]

Prot pally being able to block spells amd thar op self heal make

[prisma crane]

like 2900 almost atm

[ancient reef]

Pvp fun

[coral dew]

Krotos who's that

Curious

Memphisrains?

[ancient reef]

He is a prot pvp guy

[coral dew]

Oh cool. I'm mostly only familiar with Haydoran

[prisma crane]

not sure why his arena isnt showing up but here https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/thrall/memphisrains

[next ermine]

Thought Memphis was a gnome

[prisma crane]

maybe at one point

PvPers race change all the time

[sick sentinel]

Oh God today is the All Mighty Zandalari Empire emissary

Now I have a 1/3 chance for my dc 370 chest piece

[old night]

ooo

i wonder if that means proudmoore admirality is up

[sick sentinel]

Yup

The pathetic proudlosers are up

[uneven mason]

I mean, sure, we've gotta deal with salty overweight pirates, and a child for a ruler, but we've got Saurfang

So...who's the loser?

😉

[sick sentinel]

Just because u used rent-a-horde doesn't mean u'll have one

Fuck this game

[uneven mason]

"Rent-a-Horde" - follows a zombie

[old night]

damn

[sand egret]

but we got gnomes

so

[old night]

i cant tell if you're meme'ing or if you take the lore that passionately lol

[sand egret]

fuck

[lusty grotto]

Team Saurfang all the way

bb is okay

[old night]

Saurfang and Manduin all day

[sand egret]

Brox Bro is my Bro

[uneven mason]

I only take prot passionately

Broxigar the Red - biggest alliance hero of all time

[old night]

mofucka rolls around in some flip flops and a loin cloth. arguably the most manly character ever

[lusty grotto]

listen

Broxigar is THE warrior hero

[old night]

agreed

[lusty grotto]

fuck varian

[uneven mason]

#arms

[lusty grotto]

there, i said it

i'm sorry

[old night]

Sylvannas is a trash character with an evanescence inspired backstory

i said it

[charred void]

Fuck Saurfang, hes a traitor, only 1 chief bb, voljin wouldn't have fucked we dont know the whole story

[uneven mason]

Saurfang only loyal horde member

[lusty grotto]

we know the whole story, "Sylvannas is worse than Garrosh"

[old night]

dont forget baine

im ally for days but i love baine so much

[uneven mason]

Saurfang - the name means "One Orc Horde" in Orcish

Baine - big alliance hero

[lusty grotto]

wait till saurfang grabs a shield and bootyclaps

[uneven mason]

saved many civilians at THeramore

[old night]

grabs two shields* and bootyclaps

i would lose my fucking mind

[lusty grotto]

dual wield shield

[old night]

paging @sand egret

[lusty grotto]

is something i've always wanted

[uneven mason]

Theres a feat for that.. #pathfinder

[lusty grotto]

bitch i don't have time to devastate, i just shield slam... twice

[sand egret]

EYYYYY

[sick sentinel]

Baine a pussy.

[lusty grotto]

NOT MY HORDE

hashtag

[sick sentinel]

Saurfang colludes with alliance

[old night]

FAKE NEWS

[sick sentinel]

Sylvanas owned by old gods.

[lusty grotto]

Saurfang colludes with honor

[sick sentinel]

voljin dead.

[lusty grotto]

i don't gank honorless targets either 😃

[sick sentinel]

belves/elves: HAHAHA

[lusty grotto]

doing my part

wait wait

who's the biggest prot warrior hero besides mountain kings in wc3

i heard he rerolled DK

cough fordragon cough

[sand egret]

wasn't he a pally?

[lusty grotto]

was he

hmm

[sand egret]

yeah...

like one of the most famous ones

[lusty grotto]

well much better

not a traitor then

yeah he was a paladin

hmmm 🤔

[sand egret]

but Saurfang is my boy cuz out of everyone he DEFINITELY hates DKs

[lusty grotto]

there are no orc mountain kings only dwarves 😦

[old night]

hey its your boi

the dark iron dwarf filmstrips

[lusty grotto]

"hay papa i rerolled DK" - Saurfang jr
"oh fuck no you didn't" /ganks - Saurfang

"my son died a warrior, idk who was that DK" - Saurfang

[astral crystal]

we named him dranosh. it means 'heart of draenor' in orcish

[lusty grotto]

kinda silly that warriors are 2 hero classes tbh

Blademaster + Mountain King

then you have people saying BUT DKs AND DHs ARE HERO CLASSES

listen mang, we are 2

[astral crystal]

i wish they'd just do actual hero classes

like progress your spec to a hero spec or some shit

warriors can formally become mountain kangz

[lusty grotto]

wtb mirror image and whatever the fuck else blademasters had

the problem is that some classes have no hero classes

[stark sage]

prot is already pretty much mountain king

tclap + avatar

[supple path]

Shamans are two hero classes too and look how it's going for them right now.

[stark sage]

stormbolt

[lusty grotto]

arms is a blademaster too

mages have 2 hero classes as well? blood mage + archmage?

[supple path]

Eh, mages only share 1 ability with bloodmage.

[stark sage]

yeah but flamestrike is hella iconic

[lusty grotto]

wait, we are 3 hero classes actually

[supple path]

More iconic than banish?

[lusty grotto]

tauren chieftain cause shockwave

[stark sage]

absolutely

[supple path]

Or the phoenix that just nobody gets.

[stark sage]

shit the old wc3 animation for flamestrike was more badass than the vanilla wow version

[lusty grotto]

i can't remember what hero class rogues are, i don't think there's any

[supple path]

Lot of room to fight over blademaster though, man. What's he, rogue/mage/warrior abilities?

[lusty grotto]

bladestorm

[stark sage]

rogue is closest to warden

[lusty grotto]

warrior clearly

[supple path]

Yeah he also has windwalk + mirror image.

[lusty grotto]

yeah mirror image hmm

i mean windwalk hasn't been an ability though

in wow at least

[stark sage]

i think wow could benefit atleast in pvp for a windwalk ability

short duration speed boost

stealth

[lusty grotto]

and monks have brewmaster hero class

[supple path]

When is Sylvanas going to get her obvious mind control abilities on.

I mean come on you literally ARE the dark ranger.

[lusty grotto]

she's already mind controlled everyone that is on Team Sylvanas

[supple path]

Nathanos will be revealed as a MC'd Tirion Fordring or some nonsense

[lusty grotto]

with her goth booty

LOL

[supple path]

I just know that if the alliance touch one hair on a goddamn alpaca or vulpera's head, I'm full-on board Team Genocide with Sylvanas.

[lusty grotto]

lol

yeah looks like every class has a hero unit in wc3

can't think of any that doesn't

rogue is the only one that comes to mind but even then warden might be close

[supple path]

Warlock maybe.

[lusty grotto]

warlock is a hero class though

at least in the story

not in MP

[supple path]

Think hunters also don't really.

[lusty grotto]

Lich and Dread Lords come to mind

[supple path]

I mean beastmaster but come on

[stark sage]

keeper doesnt really line up to druid very well

[supple path]

All 4 of his abilities are druid abilities, he aligns about as well as paladin.

[lusty grotto]

actually Lich goes with Frost mage too

priests have potms

[stark sage]

potm doesnt fit priest well either

like mix of MM and balance

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that's true

[stark sage]

shadowhunter is like shaman

[supple path]

Haha, priests. You're not a hero class, you're a normal unit.

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sand egret]

Inner Fire was basically a hero ability. that armor on knights....RIP

[dull pilot]

lots of haste

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[astral crystal]

more

more haste

[kind tinsel]

The Jaina fight has me worried. She's just spamming spells on the tank.

Pls no Star Auger 2.0

[open bluff]

...well she is a mage

[kind tinsel]

That's fair, but I'd rather not be garbo for another tier

[lusty grotto]

mmmm

fucking star augur

[sick sentinel]

does this look right to you guys?

[plain ice]

err what are we looking at?

right or wrong in what sense?

[daring patrol]

ayyy, i can finally stock up again

[sick sentinel]

stat distrubution for my prot warrior

[sand egret]

yeah

your block stat is literally falling off the ui

clearly invested in that too heavily

[steel mauve]

there isnt really a stat distribution, every stat is good

just ilvl > haste > every thing else

[tiny mason]

do u think warr will be in top tier for next raid?

atm i believe its much lower than monk/dk

[steel mauve]

no, and its probably not

[outer dew]

why do you think it's much lower than monk/dk?

and define much lower

[tiny mason]

ok lets rephrase it, not so op like monk/dk

its not bad, but u know what monk/dk can do in raids

[open bluff]

the same thing any tank can do, only you can afk while doing it?

[vocal nimbus]

the general rule of thumb is that, if you need to ask it wont really matter what you choose to play

[chilly brook]

@tiny mason I wouldn’t put prot very far behind blood and monk TBF, the only thing they’re ahead of by far is the lack of effort required to get good results

[steel mauve]

we wont be op, but imo monks and dk's arent op, they are just well suited for raids, we arent that terrIBLY FAR BEHIND THEM

[chilly brook]

Ehhh

[steel mauve]

caps

[chilly brook]

Monk is OP at the moment tbh

But not in terms of what they can do

It’s more in terms of what they can get away with not doing

[open bluff]

like pushing their AM

[tiny mason]

monk is really well designed for raids and ez mode

u cant really f up in monk

but war is much fun to play

[brittle timber]

I wouldn't call brewmaster functioning at 90% efficiency while the player is sleeping 'well designed'

[tiny mason]

but its boring spec with nothing changing in rotation, thats the main issue

i wanna reroll to prot warr (my old main) but i'm afraid that i might not do good as monk

[outer dew]

define as good

what kind of content are you doing?

lol

[tiny mason]

mythic uldir

[outer dew]

you'll be fine in mythic uldir

only problem is

you won't have 10 stack of RA

and at this point bit late

so you're gimping your group if you do by quite a large margin

[chilly brook]

@tiny mason last expansion monk was a well designed tank

When ISB actually made a big difference and you died in mythic if you didn’t use it

This expansion? Nope lol

[tiny mason]

xD

i drop it in fetid sometimes, to meme the healers

[chilly brook]

It wouldn’t really make a difference if you didn’t use it at all apparently

According to logs anyways

[outer dew]

tbf

they were looking at a heroic log

my co-tank dies on fetid every now and then

[chilly brook]

It’s still a good indicator....

[tiny mason]

i do it in mythic fetid

[chilly brook]

The damage difference was really negligible

[brittle timber]

i think my favorite part of that article was something like...is healer heart attacks a measurable metric?

[tiny mason]

if i wanna heal with my orbs, and if i just want to troll the healers

[outer dew]

like i've lived being greedy with my sb

[lusty grotto]

doesn anyone know if the celeb package persists on death?

[merry bane]

idk but it has a 10 second cd so would it matter?

I dont think its consumed on use is it?

[lusty grotto]

its not

yeah it doesn't matter

[oblique garnet]

Anyone done kr +12 this week

i thought about getting one done since i got the key but the pack after 2nd boss seems horrible

[merry bane]

no proble

[nova rover]

hey guys anyone done BT this week? Just want to know ilvl that drops

wowhead reflected the last xpack stuff

[merry bane]

well for all of you guys yesterday who helped me I appreciate it. did a few mythic 5's and its alot better after I changed up a few things

average dps output as increased and I am not as rage hungry anymore. hardly used IP either

[steel mauve]

thats what we're here for

we try to be informative and teach prot wars the way of the anger 😉

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if sub 120 get 350 ilvl gear too

[merry bane]

well i appreciate it. what little I fixed is making a huge difference

althought still gotta move some spells around. blew Drums of War instead of avatar >.<

[steel mauve]

ya thats the biggest issue with a lot of the really bad prot wars, they arent doing what they are supposed to be doing and then claim the spec is just bad or unplayable

[merry bane]

oh its a different playstyle with keybinds but my reaction time is far better. still awkward for me though

[steel mauve]

if they just fix little bits here and there then boom, spec is instantly better

[merry bane]

hmm well is a 5% stam 5% strength and IP off cd buff enough? lol

well GCD with a .5 sec cd

[steel mauve]

its not a whole lot, the DR from it is gonna only be about a couple of % i think

the ip off gcd is a QoL change

[merry bane]

plus SB recharge time is reduced to 12 sec I believe

[steel mauve]

rotation is gonna feel better, and its gonna slightly be better for SS resets, but thats it

[cinder pasture]

Don't forget being able to block ranged attacks 😉

[steel mauve]

SB is now gonna be like 14 seconds or 16 seconds i think

[merry bane]

mine is currently 14

[steel mauve]

i think its 18 base, so gonna be 16 seconds

[merry bane]

itll go to 12

12 base sorry

[steel mauve]

the biggest change will probably be blocking ranged attacks in M+

[merry bane]

wait what? blockign ranged attacks?

[steel mauve]

thats huge

[vocal nimbus]

Afaik SB recharge will be 16 base in 8.1

[merry bane]

oh I thought it was 12. my bad

what kind of ranged? like arrows adn such or spells

[steel mauve]

arrow, throw rock

[vocal nimbus]

And yes, they made it possible to block physical ranged attacks

[steel mauve]

"shoot"

[merry bane]

oh wow that makes freehol alot easier plus tol dagor

[steel mauve]

the changes in 8.1 will help, but its not gonna make us op, but itll be a start i believe

[merry bane]

well I dont wanna be OP, just on par with other tanks at end game

[steel mauve]

and theres possibly gonna be more, thats just the ones they released to us

[merry bane]

so I dont get declined for mythic plus at 370 ilevel

[vocal nimbus]

Theres still the mastery thing

Dunno if its gonna be reworked in tge end or not

[steel mauve]

they dont want to release information that may be a mistake or they might revert with out actual testing or information

[merry bane]

well that is why we test the ptre builds

I have it downloaded and check it out when a new build is released

[vocal nimbus]

History has proven that the ptr isnt enough to test things

Lol

Things get released broken anyways 😂

[merry bane]

LOL. I did find a nice glitch for any whow ant free augment runes. When you que for a heroic with the satchel as a tank. click dps too

so if you get a dps que youll still get the satchel at the end

[lusty grotto]

that already happens in live

[merry bane]

that is what I meant on live

[lusty grotto]

but since dps queues are much longer you never get the dps slot

[merry bane]

I have quite a few times lol

[lusty grotto]

nothing to gain from it really

[merry bane]

augments for me

[lusty grotto]

you're queueing as a tank so it doesnt matter

[vocal nimbus]

Augment runes are such a dumb design of a consumable