protection

[uneven mason]

a bad BDK isn't really either

[neon tangle]

Like, my scale of "can the healers save you from fuckups" is BrM >>> BDK >> Everything else

[raw oracle]

i'm almost positive if you don't have your brew up for that they get gibbed back half of the fight

[prisma crane]

there's a huge post

that says ur wrong

[uneven mason]

read the fetid log

dude had like 18% uptime on ISB

spammed purify

[neon tangle]

I think he was main-tanking tho

[uneven mason]

which takes more damage than thrash

lets clear that up

Main tanking Fetid means you take 25% More damage

[raw oracle]

i'll believe you - bc i have nothing to go off of atm - but the thrash tank is at a bigger chance of getting gibbed bc it's all at once

[uneven mason]

its just spread out between 4 hits

[prisma crane]

except for how monks work

[uneven mason]

more or less, Thekok - Stagger can't kill you

soi that monk soaks 60% of that Thrash

and the ticks of it

[neon tangle]

More that you aren't going to get 1-shot from the thrash, so if we're talking about "will you get gibbed"

[uneven mason]

can't kill him

[neon tangle]

the fetid log isn't really the post to use

[uneven mason]

the monk basically has a widow of 6 seconds to be healed up

[neon tangle]

idk if you would get 1-shot taking thrashes as a monk w/o ISB up

[prisma crane]

it is though, the dude required a fairly negligible amount of additional healing by playing completely wrong

whereas you cant heal past dead on anything else

[uneven mason]

the point being, that the Fetid log really points out that a pro monk and a shit monk is like hardly any difference

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane You can if you take purgatory on a BDK!

[prisma crane]

once

[neon tangle]

huehuehue

[uneven mason]

once

[prisma crane]

lol

[neon tangle]

But yeah, I get what you mean re: monks

[uneven mason]

That being said

I think the warrior buffs

are going to do a lot for our "Perception"

my GM has already started winding down tank recruitment to replace ment and stopped asking about my "Monk leveling progress"

cause I keep talkinga bout how awesome prot feels on the PTR

(and it does)

[neon tangle]

I convinced my guild to gear my BDK lol

so now I've got one of those

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, a bunch of people I've been in PUGs with have asked if buffs will make us OP or if I'm happy I'm gonna be top tier next patch, etc.

[uneven mason]

we wont be OP...but we'll be better than we are now (which is almsot OP)

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I'm not saying we will

Just seems that the community perception is that we're gonna be a lot better

[neon tangle]

I'm gonna keep both, see what ends up shaking out w/ scaling + gear levels + the nerfs

[lavish oracle]

Even though it's really only a minor defensive buff

[neon tangle]

the WotN nerf is a pretty hefty chunk of EHP for BDK

6% EHP

[uneven mason]

yeah

and the Bonestorm reduction

[neon tangle]

whoops, I mean 5% EHP nerf

[uneven mason]

I mean, thats only going to affect the top 1%

but its a perception thing

Well to be fair Azathoth, IP off the GCD is a pretty hefty RPS gain

[neon tangle]

5% EHP will make them a LITTLE BIT less able to be accounted for by healers

[uneven mason]

because we're both gaining GCDs to press shield slam, and we're losing the opportunity cost that was "taxed" on to IP being on the GCD

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Were you here earlier when I did some napkin math? looks around 7% RPS

[uneven mason]

everything that no longer conflicts with Shield slam is a RPS gain, which in turn, is a defensive boost

I did the same the other day, its epecially massive when you count the UF/Avatar window

[neon tangle]

I'm just looking at m+ runs of good players 😛

[uneven mason]

its like 19% during Avatar 😄

purty hefty IMO

[oblique garnet]

The ranged block will make so many m+ dungeons feel so much better

[uneven mason]

Tol Dagor...

[neon tangle]

certainly will make m+ feel a bit better

[uneven mason]

it'll make TD and Freehold feel amazing

[oblique garnet]

freehold already feels amazing o.O

theres only like 2 ranged mobs?

im talking about kings rest and that god damn queen with a bow after first boss

[uneven mason]

the boss that shoots

ohhh man

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah that too

[uneven mason]

that room on Fortified

[prisma crane]

Mactier "because we're both gaining GCDs to press shield slam, and we're losing the opportunity cost that was "taxed" on to IP being on the GCD" is the same thing

[oblique garnet]

last week we didnt have a druid or a hunter

it got to raging

i had to run away

[prisma crane]

it'll be a RPS gain, but not a huge amount

but still a gain

so ill take it

[uneven mason]

ah not quite, sorry, I should explain further, during avatar you're pressing TC every other GCD, you do this to maximize DS uptime, TC, itself, conflicts with SS when you have to use IP defensively

So what i meant was, you gain the lost opportunity to press SS and an ability that can trigger SS

[prisma crane]

lets use Griff's example, in a 5 min fight he used IP 23 times

[oblique garnet]

Tbf you dont actually need to use ip all that often

[prisma crane]

if we assume that 30% of those are SS

in 5 min

er

less

[uneven mason]

I use IP like its coming ouut of a pez dispenser

[prisma crane]

15 rage

so

90 rage more

[neon tangle]

@prisma crane It's around 7% more RPS in m+

[prisma crane]

oh?

[neon tangle]

If you count rage wasted from capping + the rage gain from extra SS procs

[prisma crane]

in that 16 FH someone linked from Sense, he used IP 75 times

22-23 more potential SS

in a full dungeon

[oblique garnet]

yeah i mean on m+ you use it more often than in dungeons

[uneven mason]

you're going off of their uses of IP with it on the GCD

[oblique garnet]

mean raids

[neon tangle]

23*15 = 330 more rage, he overcapped ~350 rage over the dungeon too, with a total rage gain somewhere over 9k

[prisma crane]

345 more rage to his 9768 he gained

[neon tangle]

680/9600 = ~7% gain

something like that

[uneven mason]

When IP no logner conflicts with other abilities, it will be used more often, and more reliably.

[prisma crane]

not more often, just with less cost

except during AoE

and even then, not a lot more often

[neon tangle]

well, 7% more often 😛

[prisma crane]

it's 3.5% more potential for rage

with the added benefit of no more wasted rage

you're not gaining 7% rage, youre losing out on less though

[uneven mason]

are you even considering the reduced CD on DS and Avatar (which produce rage)

0_-

[neon tangle]

Nope, did not include that

[prisma crane]

these numbers based on a single run btw

345 extra rage is 34 seconds total

but

[neon tangle]

I've been spot checking a pile of them, he's normally between 1-4% "wasted"

[prisma crane]

lets say i get 12 of those seconds on a boss fight, but i end the fight with those CDs still on CD, the gain wasnt realized

[neon tangle]

which is prolly fairly good

[prisma crane]

it's only useful if you get an additional cast

34 seconds, in a 30 min dungeon

of additional CDR

compared to the 977 seconds he already received

[neon tangle]

tbh might be more for people who are capping more

And playing less well

[prisma crane]

so you get 34 more seconds within a window of 46.3 minutes of effective CD cooldown

[neon tangle]

Chance seem high that bad players will go from capping constantly to not having enough rage for SB

[prisma crane]

you also have to consider that bad players also generate less rage to begin with

they miss SS procs, dont fill all empty GCDs with Devastate

dont use revenge when they could, etc

[neon tangle]

7% might actually be higher than I'm thinking, that assumes every single proc was useful

[prisma crane]

what was that bad warriors name we were talking about before?

[neon tangle]

sadbox?

[prisma crane]

well yea, but the rage we were talking about assumed only 30% SS proc chance anyways

and you do displace something else when your SS procs

and useless if already available, etc

it should roughly average out

and no, some noobslayer or w/e

[neon tangle]

could delay TC

[prisma crane]

nvm, the guy never logs

was going to see his average RPS

[neon tangle]

Also to be sure, capped rage that can now be spent is an effective gain

So it would be 70 seconds or so

[prisma crane]

70 seconds in 46.3 min then

[neon tangle]

On top of the other buffs it isn’t too bad

[prisma crane]

and DC nerf

which also incidentally hits us hardest in aoe

well, probably hits us the same, hits our dps hardest in aoe though

[neon tangle]

Yeah, sorta a stealth nerf to our AoE

Maybe made up in ST by the extra GCDs

[prisma crane]

the primary benefit we gain to ST is going to be more SB uptime

and yea, a few more GCDs

we still lose out on DS uptime in ST though

so it's a hit all around

[neon tangle]

Well more SB uptime plus more shield slams to use within it

Regardless, will be interesting to see how it all shakes out

[prisma crane]

yea

[oblique garnet]

Oh damn this week might actually be pretty good for selling +10 boosts

[neon tangle]

The number of 10 pugs is quite a bit lower this week lol

[oblique garnet]

yeah usually theres like 20 or so even at 4 am in eu

just checked there wasnt one

[sick sentinel]

Looking for a +13 this week is like waiting at a doctors office. No one is there but you, and the doctor isn't there yet, and you've been waiting six hours.

[merry bane]

Hey guys!. new here 😃 Up and coming Prot Warrior! I have apparently been building my prot warrior wrong though. what are recommended stats and azerite?

[outer dew]

why do you think

you've been building prot wrong

[merry bane]

well my stats are off and I think my azerites are funky

[outer dew]

well, what are they?

[merry bane]

I toyed with self healing and damage reduc and it seems nothing changed either way

Well My primary is Helm-Archive/Elemental Whirl/ Resounding Prot. Shoulder Deaf Crash/Shimmering/Gemhide. Chest Archive/ Strength in Numbers/Resounding Prot

[astral crystal]

why was m ghuun made

[sick sentinel]

Can you link ur wow armory @merry bane ?

[merry bane]

sure let em get it

might not be up to date since I used a different build than that for raiding

[sick sentinel]

its fine

[merry bane]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/wyrmrest-accord/Freedomfight

this is my newest spec I tried out

[sick sentinel]

So the first thing I and anyone who looked at you is this

You need a deafening crash piece

[merry bane]

that is what I have now

[outer dew]

i mean

[sick sentinel]

For what slot

[outer dew]

your az pieces seem fine

but i don't know what they are

2x archive + 1 dc isn't terrible

[merry bane]

shoulders but it wasnt equipped when this was taken

[sick sentinel]

Ok then ur fine

[merry bane]

as I said that was another build I tried out

my current is what I posted above in terms of azerite

[outer dew]

are you raiding/

[merry bane]

I am trying to raid yes lol

I managed Heroic Ghuun and got the kill but I got whooped alot

[outer dew]

switch your helm for BFI/Azerite Veins/Visage

[sick sentinel]

I will say, look into the AH and buy a blockades trinket

Ghuun trinket is not worth it no matter the ilvl

[merry bane]

havent had another drop for me 😦

[sick sentinel]

Blockades is a craftable trinket

You can buy it for pretty cheap on a lot of servers

[merry bane]

I can look into that as well. but I just dont understand why I get hit so hard

I generally have to combo Ip with SB just to mitigate

[sick sentinel]

You should be generally speaking

Is there any specfic time u notice u taking a lot of damage

[outer dew]

you gotta be more specific

hit hard by what

[merry bane]

bosses

[sick sentinel]

more specific

[merry bane]

and anything above plus 7 mob packs

[sick sentinel]

How are you using ur cds like Shield Wall/Last Stand?

[outer dew]

i mean

[merry bane]

I dont use any other cd but Ip with last stand

[outer dew]

your asshole will get eaten out by a good chunk of mobs this week

i've needed to call for externals quite al ot

[sick sentinel]

What do you mean exactly by that Veteran

Do you not use Shield wall?

[merry bane]

during last stand generally no

I usually combine SB with SW

[sick sentinel]

Do you use ur cds before or after u take a lot of damage

[merry bane]

well i know the fights well enough to use them right before

[sick sentinel]

Are you using demo shout off CD?

[merry bane]

like when I hold ghuun I usually do SB and SW first time

then second taunt LS and IP

here this will help

can I post a video link or do it privately

[sick sentinel]

you can post

if u have a log we can do a better analysis

but a video is fine too

[merry bane]

https://youtu.be/G8lv3HwjEws

I wasnt on top of myself then but itll show

[sick sentinel]

I am going to be that guy

You need to do hotkeys

[merry bane]

go head and be that guy lolo

what do you mean

[sick sentinel]

In the video ur mousing over and clicking

[merry bane]

yes I havent been good with keybinds

[sick sentinel]

Thats really the only way I can see you honestly improving

Because ur gear isnt bad

nor are ur azerite pieces

The time it takes for you to look for and click an ability, esp as a tank is what you really need

[merry bane]

i did just buy the blockades deck

well I dont gotta look I know where they are by heart

[cinder pasture]

Minor life hack: spell reflect is available for every explosive corruption in the first phase. Pre cast it and you wont have to worry about it 😄

[sick sentinel]

^

[merry bane]

WAIT WHAT!

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[merry bane]

didnt know aoes were reflectable

[sick sentinel]

Just be aware

It goes onto someone else

Which is funny, but can be dangerous

[merry bane]

oh, well I am used to taunt swapping and running out

[sick sentinel]

Thats fine too but it does help anyways

But yeah my personal suggestion would be to use keybinds

[merry bane]

well anything above 5 makes it harder for me

[sick sentinel]

even if you know where the abilities are by heart thats time you lose not watching everything else

[merry bane]

gotta get used to my naga. honestly havent been using the side buttons

[sick sentinel]

I would suggest not learning with the naga first

Use keybinds like Shift

• whatever

Ur pinky/ring finger rest right near it

[merry bane]

shift is for anothe rbar?

or do you make a macro

[sick sentinel]

nope you can put keybinds on any ability on the bar

see how you have the 1-0 on the bar

you can do that for all your abilities

[merry bane]

hmm

gotta see how I do that

I am using Elvui

[sick sentinel]

I can't help you there, I dont use elvui. I would suggest whenever u have down time to look where you need to find the keybinding for elvui and start playing around

or just go to the regular keybind options via esc and play there

[merry bane]

I found it

so other than keybinds ther eisnt much else?

[sick sentinel]

Now that you have blockades/Deafening crash, not really

[merry bane]

what stats should I aim for

[sick sentinel]

Haste

BUT

[merry bane]

I have 35% hase buffed with Into

without any procs

[sick sentinel]

If you have a piece of gear thats higher ilvl, equip it

[merry bane]

even if its worse off in stats?

[sick sentinel]

No stat for us is "Bad"

[merry bane]

but some are more than others

haste should be on every piece I thought then vers

[sick sentinel]

Some are better, but they all have use

Yes if you can get haste on every piece, go for it but if its a lower ilvl than no

Always aim for higher ilvl

This is due to the fact that all the stats are close to each, haste being ahead of them all but still the point stands

[merry bane]

so like a 360 with haste and vers isnt better than a 370 with haste mastery?

[sick sentinel]

nope

go with that 370

[outer dew]

never

lol

[merry bane]

now what about rings

[outer dew]

you lose str/armor/stam

[sick sentinel]

Rings are different

[outer dew]

preference

[merry bane]

I have 370's

[sick sentinel]

ur fine then

[merry bane]

Rot Scour and Band

[outer dew]

secondaries are still pretty good]

[merry bane]

just got ring of infinite void

[sick sentinel]

At that point, go for the one with more haste

but this only applies to rings

since u lose stamnia and not much else

[merry bane]

so whats my trinkets? I have the vial and blockades

[sick sentinel]

They are very good

[merry bane]

wouldnt Rezans Eye be better than vial?

[sick sentinel]

Rezans/Vial would be the combo u use

Strength is just as a good a stat as haste it

[merry bane]

cause of the armor buff right?

[sick sentinel]

That and the damage we end up dealing

[merry bane]

ok so I wasnt that bad off

gunna practice with keybinds and see

[sick sentinel]

One last thing, minor nitpick, switch ur chestpiece azerite

from earthlink to shielding

[merry bane]

i have a new one

Archive/Strength in Numbers and Resound Prot

[sick sentinel]

Good

But yeah, gear wise, just keep getting more higher ilvl gear but more importantly start to work on ur keybinds

Do not go crazy with keybinds is what i will say

Start with things like shift 1-5

[merry bane]

I love tanking though. especially as a warrior. i just felt off when they said I had alot to work on

I do. Shift 1-5 and Alt 1-4

[sick sentinel]

cool

[merry bane]

ctrl is PTT

[sick sentinel]

Mold ur fingers to the keyboard and ull have it done to muscle meomory in a few days to a few weeks

[merry bane]

it feels awkward lol

[sick sentinel]

Its going to be

But the pay off is very much worth it

its why I would not start off with so many

start with a small amount, if you give urself too many keybinds ull hit a wall too fast

try just with 3-5, then as ur getting used to it, do 3 more

and so on

[merry bane]

well thats why I did 5 of shift and 4 on alt

[sick sentinel]

ok

[merry bane]

so are warriors good in heroic and mythic raids or no?

[sick sentinel]

I've stopped at Heroic so I can only give u that perspective, they are good

[merry bane]

cant wait to try ghuun with my new stuff

[sick sentinel]

You can ask someone like @shut summit

[merry bane]

they want me to dps now since I pull 12k

[sick sentinel]

Not shocked, people expect A LOT from us

[merry bane]

but that set isnt optimized or anything yet

and I looked I have 18% unbuffed haste no talents

[sick sentinel]

We are the bottom tier tanks in the communities eyes, so if you arent at 100% at all times you will be replaced or ask to switch specs

[merry bane]

I heard that. no one wants warrior tanks

[outer dew]

for Mythic Fetid, you would have the prot warrior main tanking and brewmaster on thrash

right?

[merry bane]

thats what My group did. Thrash is brutual on us

[sick sentinel]

Yes @outer dew

[little rain]

I took the thrashes, wasn't difficult whatsoever. I'm certain you could do whichever.

[valid elk]

Say the other tank was a Blood DK, who should take Thrashes then?

[sick sentinel]

BDK

they can heal the damage

Also let them suffer

[valid elk]

Fetid's mostly physical regardless of if you're MT or OT right? So SB is a boon for either role

[sick sentinel]

Yup physical fight for tanks

[lusty grotto]

correct

we can take thrashes fine

[sick sentinel]

But, if someone wants to play FoTM, let them do work

[lusty grotto]

if you can block, you can take a thrash

unsure as to what sort of problems @merry bane is having with it

[valid elk]

Also on bosses like Zek'voz where there's tank swapping, are you guys having issues taking threat from the active tank after taunt swaps?

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

Vet wasnt the one who asked about the fetid

[shut summit]

if your OT has a pulse, shouldnt be an issue

[sick sentinel]

that was tofu

[valid elk]

My OT doesnt have a pulse sadly 😦

[lusty grotto]

right but he said and i quote "thrash is brutual on us" typo included

[valid elk]

I asked why this was occuring, he told me he was "pooling RP for Death strike spam during the combo"

[merry bane]

terrible thrash hits hard

[lusty grotto]

unless he's not a warrior?

[outer dew]

just asked because my OT is dying now and then

[sick sentinel]

If ur ot is BM, are the healers just not healing him

Does he not have his Brews up?

[lusty grotto]

ok i'm lost lol

[merry bane]

sorry I am tanking practicing keybinds hard to text back

[sick sentinel]

Keep focusing on that, forget about discord

[lusty grotto]

thrash is npnp for prot warrior

if you're another class idk

[merry bane]

well generally I dont have any cds

sicne I dotn wanna waste LS or SW on a thrash

i generally IP and SB through it

[sick sentinel]

If you are assigned to handle thrashs, use ur cds

You will get a lot of mileage from using a Shield Wall right before fetid casts Thrash to get about 2-3 more thrash before it ends

[lusty grotto]

why wouldn't you want to waste LS

if you need the block

[sick sentinel]

Last stand can be used to cover up anytime u dont have SB charges up or if u need health

[merry bane]

I have always saved it as an Oh Shit button

[lusty grotto]

☝

why

no, don't do that

[sick sentinel]

Yeah dont do that

[lusty grotto]

use it to cover SB gaps

[steel mauve]

last stand is a rotational ability, not an oh shit cd

[lusty grotto]

☝

[steel mauve]

like when actually tanking some thing your block rotation IS SB X3 last stand SB X3

[astral crystal]

I take thrashes on fetid, you shouldn’t have an issue if you have enough haste

[steel mauve]

you use it to fill your gaps in blocking, dont save it

[astral crystal]

Precast sblock too, learn the fight timings

[merry bane]

ah that might be part of what I was doing

[astral crystal]

Which will change based on how fast your dps kills adds

[merry bane]

SB is use don CD unless I need active mitigation check

[sick sentinel]

Dont use SB on CD

Unless ur taking damage

[merry bane]

thats what I mean

[lusty grotto]

it's on a 2 min cd with bolster and AM affects it... use Rallying or call for it as an ohshit since bolster doesn't affect it

[merry bane]

if I am not tanking I dont use it

[lusty grotto]

if you're not getting hit, don't use it

even if you're tanking

when fetid vomits for example

you shouldn't be pressing SB

[merry bane]

I know that I dont even stand enar it

[lusty grotto]

you wait until his cast is just about over and then use it

[merry bane]

I use SB when I am actively tanking on cd and for mitigation checks

[lusty grotto]

and you cover with LS

when SB is not up

or when you need SB charges back

[sick sentinel]

Aside from what I told you early, now I also see this, you need to use ur cds more often

[astral crystal]

Nimchip you can time sblock precasts anticipating thrash, which gives you more sblocks overall

[lusty grotto]

right

[sick sentinel]

Esp since u are talented into Anger Management

[merry bane]

so even my rotationw as wrong lol

[steel mauve]

there are situations where i use shield block when im not tanking

[sick sentinel]

Ur rotation can be improved

[lusty grotto]

only when you want to push SS damage and you're certain you'll get a charge back in time

[sick sentinel]

it wasnt wrong

[merry bane]

now should you combine SB with IP?

[sick sentinel]

If you can, yes

IF you can

[steel mauve]

yes, combine sb with ip, use shield block as a main mit, and use ip to just smooth dmg

[sick sentinel]

dont use rage on IP if u have a charge of SB and u need to use it

[lusty grotto]

SB takes priority for rage spending on phys dmg

so make sure you're not spending all your rage

usually you IP near cap

[merry bane]

what about revenge since its a rage use

[lusty grotto]

you're worried about surviving

[merry bane]

i use it only when it procs

[sick sentinel]

Dont worry about dps

[steel mauve]

but IF i know ill have full shield block charges WHEN i have to taunt the boss, then ill still use shield block while not actively tanking to push dps

[sick sentinel]

unless it procs

[lusty grotto]

you get enough free revenge procs

[steel mauve]

and it also helps with AM to spend the rage on it as well, instead of just revenge

use revenge if you're gonna cap rage

[sick sentinel]

Also try to not stay under 20 rage

[lusty grotto]

and hope he doesn't have a free revenge proc 😛

[sick sentinel]

Try to keep a healthy pool of rage at all times

[steel mauve]

or its a free proc while TC and shield slam are off cd, and you're not gonna cap, if you are gonna cap rage and have a free revenge then spend rage on some thing else

[lusty grotto]

IP 😃

[steel mauve]

our entire kit revolves around anger management essentially

[merry bane]

hmm I am trying what you guys are saying and it helps

I mean I am just doing a timewarped but I am not dying as bad

[sick sentinel]

Pratice is pratice no matter the place

Be smart with ur rage, dont be afraid to use ur cds if they are up

[steel mauve]

we can use our cd's like using last stand to just put it on cd since AM can get it off cd faster

[sick sentinel]

But most important

Know ur fights as tank

[steel mauve]

same with shield wall

[sick sentinel]

^

I will sometimes not even use Last Stand for the gap, but for extra health

[steel mauve]

and as intense pointed out, our absolute best weapon is knowledge

[sick sentinel]

Like on a bursting week for example

[steel mauve]

knowing a fight will be a complete difference in living or damage taken

[sick sentinel]

^

[merry bane]

I know most uldir fights on heroic by mechanic just not fully refined

[sick sentinel]

Gotta refine it

Look at the guides that are here

[steel mauve]

we are 100% not a reactive tank, every thing we do is proactive, we need to be able to prevent dmg, not recover from it after its taken

[sick sentinel]

Also as a tank, we dont suffer too much from fights changing on us

from difficulty jumps

in a raid scene

Fetid remains the same from normal to mythic for tanks as an example

Changes for everyone else

but not drastically enough it impacts what we do

[merry bane]

That dungeon was alot easier

wasnt as abd as I thought it would be with keybinds

[sick sentinel]

Keep going

[merry bane]

I am getting my weekyl done atm

[sick sentinel]

Perfect

[merry bane]

might get my luminous edge

or my syringe

[sick sentinel]

Heres hoping

[steel mauve]

can always use fucked up keybinds like me 😉

[sick sentinel]

My keybinds

[merry bane]

I made mien simple LOL

[stone crag]

some of those better be on mouse buttons or keyboard macros..

[sick sentinel]

I have a nage mouse so any of them that are Shift+Number are used from there

Otherwise Shift+Letter or Letter are done with my left hand

[sick sentinel]

Since my finger naturally rest on wasd/shift/spacebar only makes sense

[signal plover]

Phew got dat M mythrax tonight

[sick sentinel]

NIce

Did the hotfix help?

[signal plover]

Ya

[sick sentinel]

Did ur range hate it lol?

[signal plover]

We actually had a lot of absences. Had to bring in a fresh recruit that's like 15 ilvls low

Oh ya max ranged dps salt

Had to talk em off a cliff

[sick sentinel]

lmao

They now understand the pain

[signal plover]

It's a huge impact coming out of intermission too cuz u can stack melee in a group now

[cinder nova]

http://prntscr.com/lizknj

[sick sentinel]

and also its easier as a tank to not fucking walk into one because of bad placement or get fucked because u get unlucky walking the wrong way

[steel mauve]

my movement keys are SDF

that should explain a lot

[sick sentinel]

that looks like Spartanui @cinder nova

or looks based on it

mines is still wasd

I use G exclusively for my mounts

So G/Shift G are flying/transmog mount

Also hey look at this

My realms top(I think) or 2nd top horde guild recruited me for M+ tanking, havent asked me to tank shit but now want me to tank for them

Until their main tank comes back from whatever it is they are doing

So yay?!

[surreal stump]

sounds like a trap

[sick sentinel]

Im not a mythic raider anyways, so ill take the kills

they are on 3/8 rn and working on Vectis, so if im lucky i can get the chest

[cinder nova]

6/8

Mythrax sucks

[sick sentinel]

Also

Holy shit at that Explosive change

[surreal stump]

lol yeah

[outer dew]

link

[surreal stump]

50% health nerf

[sick sentinel]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news=288689/explosive-affix-nerf-hotfix-50-less-health-cannot-spawn-on-cced-enemies

They were this entire time affected by fort

Which I didnt know

Also thank christ hard cc's stop them now

[surreal stump]

none tyrannical explosive will 100% be a joke cause u can walk up kill one and VR to kill next and so on down the line lol

[sick sentinel]

^

But also hey

Dont gotta worry about that explosive on the sapped add

and breaking the cc on them

[surreal stump]

thank god on that

[sick sentinel]

only took them an expansion and a half

[surreal stump]

truth used to have to pull way back or just deal with it lol

[sick sentinel]

Delete this

[steel mauve]

G is taunt, and alt + D shockwave

[sick sentinel]

I am feeling good things rn

dirty thing

[cinder nova]

What's a good way uh

[sick sentinel]

Its so clean

So perfect

[cinder nova]

get rid of my stacks on mythrax mythic

[sick sentinel]

ITS SO FUCKING UNIFORMED

[cinder nova]

because 20 is not the number of orbs I shit

[surreal stump]

tell yer dps to stop soaking orbs like dicks?

[steel mauve]

ya, we had a problem where melee would bum rush tank orbs

[sick sentinel]

^

[steel mauve]

and some times later in the fight youll need your raid to actually pop orbs and let you get them

[sick sentinel]

Thats the biggest problem about the fight

[surreal stump]

or have one stand with u? i think < think> u can turtle the cast and get orbs?

[sick sentinel]

Dps/healers tend to pacman the shit out of orbs

[steel mauve]

but we tell our dps for heroic atleast that its ok to sit at 10 stacks, you dont need to be a t0, and to let tanks ge them

[sick sentinel]

Wont lie though, we wont see explosive for a mintue and next time we do, its gonna be on tyrn

[surreal stump]

and will be easy as shit

time to do a hard ass key high as u can with a offhealer lol

[sick sentinel]

Just be boosted

Fuck a healer

4 dps

[surreal stump]

true but one with a offheal incase of dry spell or u know necro lol

[sick sentinel]

I wonder since necro is no longer magical how thats gonna work with IP

[open bluff]

shouldn't be any change

[sick sentinel]

yeah but what if tho

[merry bane]

thats mine atm

[sick sentinel]

Nice

[merry bane]

and thats mya zerite currently

[sick sentinel]

That's very good

[frosty knot]

What're the up coming buff to prot?

[modest wedge]

Is brace for impact better than other azerites like Reinforced Plating or Iron Fortress

[astral hare]

Iron fortress is quite close, but yes, Brace for impact is best

[merry bane]

I always prefered brace

[candid cove]

Plating is one of the worst. IF is good because you don’t have to maintain it. But BFI is only as good as you mashing shield slam.

But it gives the best bonuses yeah.

[merry bane]

it gives block and increases damage

[candid cove]

But if you get in a tc revenge spam cycle sometimes it falls and that’s how it rolls.

[merry bane]

I never get a tc revenge cycle. it hardly procs for me

Armory finally updated

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/wyrmrest-accord/Freedomfight

[lavish oracle]

Hey, this might be a dumb question, but did they hotfix the tol dagor timer to 36 minutes?

One of my runs that was over by a few seconds is suddenly marked as in-time on raider.io

Seems like all scores for TD on raider.io are being calculated against a 36 minute timer now but I don't have a key to confirm it

[mortal hollow]

Hey guys, question. Which azerite pieces should I be going for? I know which traits, but what about the specific azerite armor?

[lavish oracle]

Gridrunner Galea for your headpiece is our BiS helmet, the shoulders from ToS are our BiS shoulders but you can't really target them, and I'm a little less clear what our BiS chest is

I just checked by the way, Tol Dagor is up to a 36 minute timer

and I have a friend reporting Underrot is up to 33

Honestly, though, DC is in such high demand just find a piece with it and work around it

[mortal hollow]

So I do want Archive even for M+?

Actually scratch that. I have 2 Gridrunners anyway

[sick sentinel]

Arcive is good if ur able to double stack it

If u don't like brace

[mortal hollow]

Ahh

[sick sentinel]

But even then I'd still say go for our prot specific traits over double stack archive

[mortal hollow]

Raids I want Archive/DC/Brace, right? and in M+ DC/Brace/Iron? or DC/Brace/Brace?

[manic perch]

pretty much DC>BFI>IF DC is mandatory

[mortal hollow]

So even a 340 DC piece is better than a 370 Brace

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[manic perch]

yes even better then a 385

[mortal hollow]

Jesus....

[sick sentinel]

Also what u listed is basically what ud aim for

For raiding and m+

[mortal hollow]

Well time to see if my guildies wanna run an all plate run of M0 Temple lol

[sick sentinel]

Temple and Siege drop DC shoulders

[mortal hollow]

gotcha

[manic perch]

dont worry in 8.1 DC is nerfed hard and will still be one of the best but ilvl will beat it

[sick sentinel]

I prefer siege shoulders over Tempe because its more aggressive and it lines up well with semi large pulls

[manic perch]

i was lucky and got a 370 DC chest so im stuck with that for now 😛

[sick sentinel]

But that's also because I really love IF over bfi

[mortal hollow]

Yeah I was wondering about that nerf. Is it the TC damage or to the Demo shout uptime?

[sick sentinel]

Uptime

[mortal hollow]

Ah just found it. Only gives a max of 6 seconds more

[manic perch]

yeah compared to what like 30 now? its insane at the moment

[mortal hollow]

At least IP is taken off the GCD, and shield block came down to 16 second recharge

I actually had an interesting idea instead of taking IP off of GCD.... I think revenge could work as a sort of offensive/defensive ability, doing its cleave but also activating a sort of IP

[sick sentinel]

And u can also #Blocktherock now

[manic perch]

yes blocking fucking rocks is OP as fuck the one chnage i love the most

[sick sentinel]

Darks ur idea is already in kinda

[manic perch]

so tired of getting stoned to death like im in some rural tribe roflmao

[mortal hollow]

Blocktherock. No idea lol

[sick sentinel]

The new azerite trait for Avatar does that

Using avatar gives u mastery and a full cast of ip

So something like what u said but attached to a cd

[mortal hollow]

oh very nice

Yeah I just think revenge is such a boring ass spell

When you use it, it sounds like you're wacking someone with a 2x4, like... okay?

[sick sentinel]

Listen

It's my 2x4 and I love and cherish it

[mortal hollow]

lol

So hold on what is the actual name of that azerite trait for avatar because I can't find shit on it

[reef fulcrum]

Guys, check changes to mythic+

Explosives nerfs, told dagor/underrot nerfs

[mortal hollow]

Bastion of Might, there it fucking is

Hmm, it's gonna replace reinforced plating. I have a chest piece already with reinforced plating. Would I have to get that same chest piece again? Or will it rollover?

[woeful otter]

how can i disable showing procs (shield slam) in parrot2?

I already disabled the entire notification area but it's still showing 😦

oh never they have a seperate section

[chilly brook]

You know what would be nice? An IP buff just sayin’

Cuz I still think we’re coming out either even with current performance or slightly behind with the DC nerf

[woeful otter]

ip got buffed in 8.1

removed from gcd

yeah i know not that good

[chilly brook]

That’s not a buff

That’s a change

It’s neither increasing its power not decreasing it

So it doesn’t fall under nerf or buff

[woeful otter]

i think they should reduce it's rage cost to 30

[chilly brook]

Meh don’t think that would solve anything

And a higher rage cost works better for us with AM

[woeful otter]

or give it a chance to be free when u cast something

[chilly brook]

Ideally what they should do is increase the volume of the absorb and up the cap

[woeful otter]

what's AM?

[chilly brook]

Anger management

[woeful otter]

btw is it still worth stacking crash in m+?

[chilly brook]

Stacking crash?

If you mean is it still worth it to have one piece of deafening crash yes

Having several pieces nah

[woeful otter]

i mean more than 1 piece

ah ok

[chilly brook]

Never was

[woeful otter]

mostly im going crash, brace for impact and iron fortress

[hot locust]

@chilly brook I've definitely felt a lot better in 8.1 overall than on live.

[chilly brook]

That’s a good setup

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woeful otter]

due to the IP change?

[hot locust]

Been doing all the raid testing so far

[chilly brook]

Maybe I’m crazy Lala but I don’t see an increase to vanguard balancing out the DC uptime we have currently

[hot locust]

Combination of things, its all the little bits

[woeful otter]

I'm sorry, like what ?

[chilly brook]

The Shield Block change is solid

[hot locust]

higher block uptime, more IP usage, and passive DR

[chilly brook]

IP being off gcd obviously will feel nice

[hot locust]

Its a bigger change than I thought it would be defensively tbh

[chilly brook]

Like I said maybe I’m just crazy, and I’m wrong but it could very much be possible that you’re taking more damage overall but it feels better because it’s not as spiky outside of x y or z

[woeful otter]

the shield block improvement seems solid. I can't count the number of times i was forced to shield wall or even died while shield block had 1 sec on cd

[hot locust]

and thats fine

[chilly brook]

Unless the added armor that we’re going to be getting in 8.1 is literally offsetting the DC change

[hot locust]

we were already the lowest damage taken tanks

the problem was smoothness

[chilly brook]

I can’t speak either way to what’s solid

I’m just spitballing here

I’d still like to see a buff to IPs volume even if we are taking less damage or are more smooth

[hot locust]

cap change would be nice

Think thats about all i'd consider though

[chilly brook]

I don’t think having a 3x cap would be hurtful

It’d be extremely hard to hit anyways

[hot locust]

changing it to 2x wouldnt be crazy but would be very noticeable.

[chilly brook]

And would give us a lot of breathing room

[hot locust]

3x would be pretty silly

[chilly brook]

It might be silly but for the right reasons 😜

[hot locust]

I just dont think we're likely to get 3 IPs up before broken down a bit anyways

[woeful otter]

so instead of 26k, we get 52k ?

[chilly brook]

About the only time you’d hit it would be when not actively tanking

[hot locust]

yup

[chilly brook]

Which would help on initial swap

[woeful otter]

does the IP absorb dmg scale with soemthing?

[hot locust]

problem is thats inconsequential anyways

[chilly brook]

That’s the point though

I suppose it’s splitting hairs either way

[hot locust]

AP/wep dmg @woeful otter

[chilly brook]

It just gives you more headroom in the off chance you have huge rage generation periods

[woeful otter]

i wouldn't have guessed that IP would scale with attack power lol

[chilly brook]

I can’t really say much bad about prot though, I’ve been happy with it since pre-patch

IP is the only real thorn in my side

[hot locust]

I've hated IP the whole time but loved the rest

[chilly brook]

And that’s down to the fact that it doesn’t stack in the cases where you could benefit from it and it’s gone in the cases where you wish it wasn’t

[hot locust]

8.1 is like drinking your favorite beverage after the store-chain discount version

[woeful otter]

is there any case where you could have enough rage to keep more than 1 IP up ?

along with shield block and whatnot

[chilly brook]

Which is the main reason why I think we’d benefit (and mind you not overwhelmingly) from an IP volume increase

It would be an ez AP scaling tweak

@woeful otter most of m+ trash tanking tbh

You have a fairly high rage generation from getting your face beat in

And there’s times where I could do it on M Zek

[woeful otter]

Wait

I thought blizzard said that only doing dmg gives rage

not receiving

[chilly brook]

Nah getting auto’d generates rage

On a 1 second CD

Anytime you use LS as well you can freely dump rage into IP

Since you’re essentially not using 60 rage for that 15s or w/e it is of block

[woeful otter]

What ilvl do you recommend for m+7

is 356 good enough ?

[chilly brook]

Probably

The big question is whether people will take you

[woeful otter]

Oh i got my guild who will

btw

[chilly brook]

As long as your healer isn’t eating glue in a corner you should be fine

[woeful otter]

why does mouseover dodge shows 40%

while it's 3%

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

What are you targeting

[woeful otter]

me

i tried other targets tho

[chilly brook]

No clue then

[woeful otter]

but isn't 3% too low anw?

like how much u got

[chilly brook]

We’re not really dodge tanks so I wouldn’t say that

I’m not sure what my dodge chance is tbh

These are my stats tho

So much crit lol

[fathom jetty]

should just be 3% -- that's baseline

[sick sentinel]

Did explosive get nerfed?

[fathom jetty]

if it hasn't already gotten nerfed, it will

[sick sentinel]

like, can I oneshot it without praying for a crit with shieldslam?

[autumn pendant]

They halved their hp

So prob

[sick sentinel]

So that means more crazy korean videos

[random finch]

They also don’t spawn from hard cced mobs now so thank fuck for that one hex one mob explosive is still coming from the mob

[sick sentinel]

Our hunter always traps the add that runs up to you and explodes in the "last" boss in freehold

and when that spawned explosives it was the worst

[autumn pendant]

Try waycrest, pig boss

That is fun eith explosives

They should make mobs spawned from boss fight to not spawn orbs imo

[sick sentinel]

oh I tried waycrest

group disbanded at the witches though

[autumn pendant]

I did waycrest 11. Didnt time it.

Explosives screwed us in hallway

[spice grove]

isnt like the endboss in underrot aids?

if you dont remove the spores there are gonna be like 10000 explosives at once

or are they not spawning them? they spawned the vulcanic stuff so..

[vocal nimbus]

that was hotfixed long ago iirc

like, the second day of the first week we had explosive

[spice grove]

but they still spawn vulcanics

[vocal nimbus]

but thats a totally different affix 🤔

[spice grove]

well from the trigger itself it should be the same or not?

they should be coded basically the same - only the endresult is different.

or so i thought

[sick sentinel]

@spice grove https://www.wowhead.com/news=288127/patch-8-0-hotfixes-explosive-affix-in-mythic-dungeons

23 days ago

[spice grove]

gonna look through that, ty 😃

[graceful breach]

hey ive got a blockades, 380 rez and 370 jes with socket.. is blockades better than either of those two?

[sick sentinel]

@graceful breach I am personally using 370rez and 375 jes and it has been going better for me

but that's subjective

objectively, blockades will give you more survivabillity

but the rez+jes combo is also really, really good

[graceful breach]

so just roll with it see how it feels i guess

[sick sentinel]

also do not underestimate the vers that jes gives to your group

your healer does more healing, the dps do more damage and take less from mechanics and it is really really good

and rezan's can proc up to 3 times in a minute

[graceful breach]

reckon a haste gem in the jes ?

[sick sentinel]

you put haste in every single gem slot

[brittle ridge]

is there any resource about trinkets for prot besides wowhead?

[amber siren]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/guardian/defensive-trinkets/

[brittle ridge]

wonderful, ty 😃

[woeful otter]

Why do we have like 3473438 websites for prot warriors and all other classes got like 1 website? 😛

[amber siren]

dream grove is the druid website

afaik the only warrior centric site is skyHOLD

wow caps

[sick sentinel]

just when we started outgearing blockades they made it scale with haste so it's still hella good

[autumn pendant]

Never try to go on paladin discord

Trust me

[sick sentinel]

esp with the levels of haste we get in Uldir array

[woeful otter]

why raz?

hammer of wrath?

[manic vapor]

i tanked zekvos yesterday with my prot spec. i have to say it was really enjoyable and i was way easier to heal than the death knight. prot warrior rulez

[sick sentinel]

Prot life deny the damage.

Become a special denial God for vectis, SR vector application spread

[manic vapor]

explain the vectis thing

[tulip pond]

If you use Spell reflect right before Omega vector runs out you don't get a stack

[sick sentinel]

Yeah. And stop it from spreading.

I think

[final mist]

It still spreads.

You just don't get a stack.

[manic vapor]

lol stopping from spreading it would be broken

does that work with ams, cloak, turtle aswell?

[uneven mason]

damage immuned, debuff still stacks

[lusty grotto]

Morning warries

[mystic latch]

Prot can mitigate tons of dmg but we fall way behind cause theres no way to heal up =/ just killed m ghuun wednesday and took like 1/3 the melee hits the blood dk did but it seems like I'm getting rocked cause no heal. Am sad boy

[uneven mason]

raw vs actual on HC Ghuun...

Yeah warriors mitigate out the ass

If you're not mitigating a ton more than that BDK (that offsets your inability to heal) you're probably not watching your CDs properly

a lot going on on M Ghuun, looking forward to that after the holiday

[mystic latch]

Sorry for big pic but on phone atm, that's for melee ghuun hits

[lusty grotto]

could you link this log @mystic latch ?

let's figure out what you're doing wrong

corrupting bite and putrid blood stacks are rocking you

but yeah he did M Ghuun @uneven mason

blocking seems fine

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pvRMt7m9qKrNTCQ6#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=16

seems you used SB with LS, and you only used LS twice?

[oblique garnet]

you still needed less healing than the dk lul

[lusty grotto]

still blocking seems fine, 76%

yup

not a lot of IPs during spikes

33% uptime on Demo shout

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pvRMt7m9qKrNTCQ6#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=16&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%2412975^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%24190456^0%24Separate%24%23DF5353%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241160

graph for fun

has demo shout + SB + IP + LS

corrupting bite is also magic (iirc) so SR should work

[steel mauve]

37% if you only count p2 and p3 which are really the ones that matter

[lusty grotto]

not a lot of SR casts

[steel mauve]

Which is still about half of what you should have

You dont use sr for the bites, you use sr to cancel the orbs from you

[lusty grotto]

got it

but he still has a lot of time without using it

from 1:00 to 8:00 he had zero SR casts

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pvRMt7m9qKrNTCQ6#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=16&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%2412975^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%24190456^0%24Separate%24%23DF5353%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241160^0%24Separate%24rgb(78%25, 61%25, 43%25)%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24118889585.0.0.Warrior%24false%2423920

melee is being managed properly

everything else could use a bit of smoothing

[steel mauve]

How did ghuun not cast explosive corruption on the tanks?

Dk has 1 debuff during p1, but then the tanks didnt get it the rest of the fight?

[lusty grotto]

isn't it pretty random?

[steel mauve]

In p2 its cast on his current target

He does a cast bar, on p3 its random

[lusty grotto]

is this on Mythic only?

maybe i haven't been paying enough attention

[steel mauve]

I take every explosive corruption for us during p2 on heroic

[lusty grotto]

i see

well that's easy to figure out

[steel mauve]

Every time he casts it, i get it, 100% of the time, which is why we always tell every one to spell reflect either the first or second one and spell reflect the fourth one so you can stand in with the add

Some thing is fucked up, 0 people with explosive corruption debuff in p2

[lusty grotto]

yeah looks like there are no explosive corruption casts between 1:44 and 6:45

right

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pvRMt7m9qKrNTCQ6#fight=last&type=damage-taken&ability=272508

shenanigans 😃

[steel mauve]

Ah nvm

Im an idiot and didnt realize it was mythic on the logs

In mythic tanks do not get tagreted by explosive corruption

I literally just woke up 😴

[lusty grotto]

welp

that means he could certainly use SR to smooth out dmg on bites

[steel mauve]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

still an impressive log to be sure

@mystic latch

[steel mauve]

So needs higher uptime on demo shout (i use a weakaura with a sound effect for demoshout and avatar when they are off cd)

Use spell reflect for the bite damage to smooth it out for mythic only

Can use major defensives more, since we get em off cd fast

Overlapped shield block with last stands bolster

[lusty grotto]

this is just a curiousity review on it, since he didn't ask for help

[steel mauve]

Ah i didnt see that, but out of curiosity, any other trinket than briny barnacle? Lol

My fathoms did more dmg than it in a fight that lasted over a minute less

[lusty grotto]

we'll have to wait for him to answer

[signal plover]

There's no explosive corruption at all on P2 mythic guys

[signal plover]

Tanks are valid targets for corruption

There's just no casts of it in P2

If you're solo running during P1 for example you can get tagged by it so SR is strong there

[mystic latch]

Yea I shoulda used sr more to smooth out blood stacks, only used it p1 to prevent getting corruption, just kinda got tossed into prot role for mythrax and ghuun and had to take a crash course in tanking

[lusty grotto]

you did very well

on the blocking part at least

demo + SR will help if you get to do it again

[mystic latch]

Yea sometimes I'd lose track of what's up when, mostly cause p3 turns into a shit show REAL fast

I've always enjoyed the spec for all the mobility and such, it just falls so far behind with only victory rush (lol) for healing

[lusty grotto]

like Late said, you still required much less healing than the BDK

[oblique garnet]

^

[lusty grotto]

so maybe you feel that way, but healers should understand you were a lot more manageable

[oblique garnet]

The explosive nerf is actually insane

[mystic latch]

Yea some pulls I would just fall over with 7-8 seconds of little baby hot heals and it was the most frustrating thing ever

[lusty grotto]

i haven't had the chance to run m+ this week, how so?

[sand egret]

oh yeah

[oblique garnet]

they nerfed the hp of them by 50%

[sand egret]

AND

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah i heard

[sand egret]

they cant spawn on CC'd targets

[mystic latch]

Explosive is a big joke now lol

[sand egret]

woooooo

[mystic latch]

Just about everything will 1 shot them

[oblique garnet]

even devastate if it crits lmao

[lusty grotto]

i mean they used to be that way without Fort

[sand egret]

part of me is bummed because I was about to do round 2 of Meme Spec +10 runs

[lusty grotto]

i didn't realize fort buffed them at all

[sand egret]

and I totally think i could do it in time

[oblique garnet]

I mean i have done 2x manor 14 this week one pre nerf and one after it

its a joke

how much different it is now

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[sand egret]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

time to bust out the hpal

who's carrying me

[oblique garnet]

We nearly 2 chested the 14 now while we missed the timer prenerf

tbf i had a better pug this time around

[sand egret]

the CC thing is sneaky big too

[steel mauve]

I wouldnt consider our lack of healing falling so far behind, we just dont require self healing, thats not our kit, we are 100% pro active, the better we understand a fight the better we will do

We a lot of the time will have less ehrps, and a fuck ton less dmg taken, the biggest thing is just smoothing out the dmg we take, thats where we lack, but we also excel in a lot of other areas

[uneven mason]

@mystic latch sorry for disappearing, something something work. Yeah looks like you're doing amazing, DK taking double the damage from you is certainly right, don't think you'd be any harder to heal than him (he can't self sustain through Ghuun melee) But I get you were more or less referencing how Prot feels, and I can honestly say, I feel like I'm getting just trucked all the time on some fights, and then the BDK or paladin I'm tanking with explodes and I don't feel so bad anymore.

[sand egret]

Always good to have a "getting more trucked" person as a reference point 😄

[uneven mason]

Like on MZek BDK Likes to poke fun at me for getting wreckt ONE time when I fat fingered my 2nd block and didn't have it for SHatter, and then he has to take combo without AMS and starts squeeling like a piglet stuffed in a dress.

[jagged bay]

hey have a nice weekend guys:)

[sand egret]

you too!

[steel mauve]

I dont feel all that bad, but there have been times ive just been deleted randomly, but 90% of the time its because i fucked some thing up and died of my own volition

[uneven mason]

Yeah

that is why prot is considered "bad"

[sand egret]

stands up
"Hi, my name is Bladesong, and I double tap SB by accident"
claps

[steel mauve]

Ive had it where last stand was off cd, i hit last stand, it for some ungodly reason didnt activate, and shatter after taking lash on mythic zek just dropped an atom bomb on me

[jagged bay]

thx

[lusty grotto]

Oof

[ember arrow]

@uneven mason dk takes combo without AMS can stil heal all dmg back

i did it when progging zekvoz mon ths ago few times

[fickle geyser]

what would u guys run in m+ for max deeps? not really sure how well prot works with raid trinkets... https://imgur.com/a/DhztG16

[signal plover]

Disc/rezans or disc/syringe

You have some good fuckin trinket RNG

[fickle geyser]

wish i had as good rng with azerite

still rocking 345 DC shoulders

[oblique garnet]

Rezans syringe

[ancient reef]

What % should i have sb up on average in a 5m mythic run, teying to see if im doing a good job with it

[open bluff]

not gonna lie, i was less than impressed with disc after i got it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient reef]

I have anout 85 uptime between ip amd sb atm

[sweet kettle]

you should always have SB up for the entire duration of a pack

and you should maximize uptime on IP when fighting range targets or casters

other than that i dont think there is a set % you should aim for cause that depends on what you are doing

[lusty grotto]

@ancient reef you can't really say for that period. Your % should be based on effective uptime, meaning it should be up when you're getting melee'd or physically attacked post 8.1

[prisma crane]

IP uptime is a worthless metric

[lusty grotto]

it's not versus magic damage

[prisma crane]

it sure is

[lusty grotto]

but then again demo is more important to be sure

[prisma crane]

if you get hit hard it's rarely up

if you dont, it is

uptime means nothing

if used properly it'll be fully consumed, that's about it

if you look at uptime, it being consumed 4 seconds after you hit it vs 1 sec after you hit it looks 4x better when in reality nothing is different

[lusty grotto]

yeah you're right

[prisma crane]

a more useful metric is to look at wasted rage

[lusty grotto]

casts would be a more accurate check

that too

[prisma crane]

and if you're still taking a lot of dmg without much wasted rage you may be using non-proc revenges too often

but yea, IP uptime is worthless

[merry bane]

non proc revenge. sound s like me lol

[prisma crane]

myself as well

but im a dps tank 😉

[merry bane]

dotn catch it half the time

[prisma crane]

unless im actually in trouble i always prioritize revenge over IP

[merry bane]

My issue I am facing is I am generally rage starved to use both SB and IP combined

[prisma crane]

bringing back the variable cost of IP would be nice

[merry bane]

well I use it for the DR

[prisma crane]

maybe keep upper limit at 40, but bring back the 20 at low end

[lusty grotto]

in what scenario are you rage starved

[merry bane]

usually halfway through a pull

[lusty grotto]

tf

demo shout?

[merry bane]

I will intercept Demo TC then SB

[signal plover]

I'd guess in the scenario where non-procced revenge is getting cast ;)

[lusty grotto]

how are you not full rage on an intercept to demo

[prisma crane]

needing 80 rage when SS gives 15 is feelsbadman

if i didnt have BV i dont know what i'd do

that said

[lusty grotto]

that's what i'm asking him

are you specced BV?

[prisma crane]

you rarely need both immediately

[open bluff]

if you do... someone goofed somewhere

[merry bane]

well I have always just used both on packs to save healer mana

and yes i have BV

[prisma crane]

i feel like i do, but i also feel like my healers love playing a game of lets see how much stress we can give him by permanently keeping his HP under 50%....

[lusty grotto]

are you pressing SS?

[merry bane]

on cd and proc

I am nto rage starved at the start I am halfwya through generally

[prisma crane]

looking at a death log and seeing my two largest heals over a 20+ sec period being my LS and a healthstone....

[lusty grotto]

i don't get how you get rage starved

[merry bane]

can get one good round of cds off them alot of times I catch myself with just 1 or the other

[lusty grotto]

you're doing something wrong, do you have logs?

[merry bane]

I do but havent checked them recently

[lusty grotto]

do you have IP Weak auras?

don't mindlessly spam IP