protection

[coral dew]

You mean our taunt ability?

🤔

[vocal nimbus]

You can also pop avatar and demo and taunt offensively with some thunderclaps

[sand egret]

I mean the action is literally named after our ability....

[prisma crane]

@sick sentinel try to be more specific as to in what scenario you're asking, because at a basic level you already answered yourself.

a quick tip though, heroic leap resets the CD on taunt, so... if you need to taunt and dont have it up, just leap and you can taunt the target before you even hit the ground with the leap

and, incidentally, probably the only time i wish leap didnt have a minimum range

except i guess when i have no aoe abilities up i'd just use it to jump in place for a bit extra dmg...

[lucid kelp]

Usually on mythic Fetid im not getting more than 2 stracks of Into the fray, Off tank and boss. >> should I swap it to punish?

[neon tangle]

"Into the Fray Icon Into the Fray is better than Punish Icon Punish for survivability as long as you are able to consistently keep at least 2-3 stacks up on the buff, which is pretty much always the case"

generally yeah

could always experiment, 3% less on m fetid thrashes could be nice

[lucid kelp]

not taking thrashes

[primal crypt]

what the hell is taunt

Why we got so many trolls in here

[zinc mauve]

Taunt is only important if you lost aggro. Its OK to use it for now at the start of a raidboss in its current state but I believe post patch it's better to save it. I think post 8.1 they remove the threat bonus it gives you for a few seconds

someone can correct me on that one

[pliant sage]

So are the 8.1 buffs to Prot enough to make us better for M+? I don't want to play the laughing stock tank

[lucid kelp]

Play it, be good at it, laugh at the haters.

[steel mauve]

they never removed the threat bonus for taunt

it was a tooltip change to make al;l the taunts the same, they all still give you bonus to threat generation, just some didnt say it and others did, so they just corrected the tooltips for them

[outer dew]

@pliant sage define "laughing stock"

for most people, warrior tanks will perform fine if you put the time in it

[steel mauve]

defensively we are pretty good, the reason we lack in M+ is due to our utility, we can still facetank better than other tanks, minus the raw hps of dk's

[outer dew]

i'll probably not want to rope myself when doing KR during fort weeks

a bit less

Zul will probably still make my asshole shrink

[little rain]

Laughing stock tank? Prot is god tier, polish yourself up fam you have it in you.

[pliant sage]

Sorry had to do some work.

[sand egret]

Trav coming in hot with the 👢 🍵 👏

[pliant sage]

I've been trying to get into some M0 to work on routes and all. I've been turned away from four groups for simply being a prot Warrior.

[sand egret]

uh

[outer dew]

I don't think

[sand egret]

those are just shitters

[outer dew]

it's because you're a prot warrior

LOL

I

would be greatful for any tank doing M0

lmao

you could be a bear for all I care

[pliant sage]

Well the reason I got in PM was 'Garbage Warrior"

[sand egret]

my bear does just fine in M0, thankya

those are just shitty people dude

[pliant sage]

Like I get that my War is at 345 in prot but it's a M0

[sand egret]

you should be doing +5s or more (although maybe not this week...)

[outer dew]

i mean

[sand egret]

but if you wanna learn yeah you're doing it right

[outer dew]

this week is fine

only deal with teeming

[sand egret]

not if he's doing runs to learn routes haha

[pliant sage]

Well I'm trying to get routes and patting down, so 0 is somewhere to start

[outer dew]

routes change every week

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant sage]

They Do?

[sand egret]

some do

[outer dew]

some packs are better to be pulled X vs Y week

sometimes you can pull harder

depends on your comp and comms

[pliant sage]

I'm an actual nub at mythic so

[outer dew]

if you know you have the damage + utility to burn through some packs

[sand egret]

this is way more advanced stuff

if you're starting out, get something you are comfortable with

then start to deviate

[outer dew]

just remember though

[sand egret]

confidence means ya panic less and you can perform better

[outer dew]

the talent pool is garbo sub 12 keys usually

[sand egret]

I believe in ya

[pliant sage]

Fair. I'm not trying to push more than 4 to 6.

[outer dew]

i mean

[pliant sage]

And I've tanked on Warrior for a while now. I just need to learn the instances and stuff.

[sand egret]

unfortunately, people on the internet can suck so you'll probably still deal with those types

[outer dew]

you might end up better on a different tank

if your goal is just to remain at 4-6

[sand egret]

eh

[outer dew]

i mean, it's more of

[sand egret]

I don't really agree with that

[outer dew]

a lot of people that stay in those areas

[pliant sage]

That's why I was asking what the announced changes for prot in 8.1 look like they will do

[outer dew]

will believe in the gospel of reddit

or wow forus

[sand egret]

the 8.1 changes will probably not change the minds of those running M0 denying warriors

[pliant sage]

I know any spec can be pushed if it's played right

[sand egret]

to be honest

[outer dew]

well

it's more of getting into groups for you

[pliant sage]

Yep

[outer dew]

because unless you trying to push and having groups play around you

or believe in you

i can see where you might have a more enjoyable / easier time getting into groups

[gray parrot]

can anyone tell me where the tanking training dummy is in BFA?

is there one in Boralus?

[outer dew]

horde or alliance?

[sand egret]

ya

[outer dew]

there is one in boralus

walk towards the flight path

[sand egret]

look at the flight path, take a left

[outer dew]

go left

the dummy will be on the right when you go through the gate

[gray parrot]

im at all the dummies in Boralus

[outer dew]

err

you can't be

[sand egret]

if you're looking at the 3x dps dummies

[gray parrot]

Raiders training dummy?

[outer dew]

because there's healing dummies too

no

behind you

it's on the oppisote side

like it's on the wall when you walk through the gates on the right

[pliant sage]

So I should focus on getting a group together for practice then work on the bits like knowing packs and finding out what CDs to rotate etc

[sand egret]

if you're looking at the archway to walk back up to the flightpath in the dummy area, it's on your left

[gray parrot]

Dungeoneers?

yea this has to be it

its hitting back lol

[sand egret]

that's it!

[outer dew]

well

[gray parrot]

ty

[outer dew]

buttons, what's your end goal?

[sand egret]

Buttons, are you solo?

do you have a guild, etc?

[pliant sage]

Eventually get to doing 10s and maintain that as patch cycles go

[lusty grotto]

HEY!

oh woops

i wasn't scrolled down

[pliant sage]

And I'm in a social guild so I'm having to pug to get things done

[outer dew]

It's doable as a prot warrior, it'll just not be fun to build yourself up there

[sand egret]

gotcha, I did the whole thing solo myself

[outer dew]

I sit at a decent IO, so getting into +10's is usually breezy

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[pliant sage]

The only other tank that sounds fun to play is Bear and they are in the same boat as far as community perception goes

[outer dew]

I mean, have you done a class trial with tanks?

[pliant sage]

I have 110s of each tanking spec

[outer dew]

I refuse to level another tank, becauese my gut feeling is i'll be asked to bench my warrior if I did

lmao

[pliant sage]

Brewmaster feels squishy and Stagger doesn't feel like it mitigates unless the healer knows to keep hots up for the DoT

[sand egret]

I started in m0 and built up my dungeon route knowledge > went up to ~4-5 until I could pull it confidently > added another affix. Getting chested runs along the way will also build your r.io slowly to give you "cred" (helps while pugging)

[pliant sage]

Pally feels like a worse Warrior. I just don't like their AM

[sand egret]

if you really like how warrior plays, stick with it, but it's not like the easiest tank to play nor the "top"

[pliant sage]

Veng has massive holes in their AM and nothing to fill them with. And I hate how clunky and odd DK feels.

[sand egret]

so if you're cool with that, keep your head up and unfortunately brave through the inevitable trolls

[pliant sage]

Would it be better for me to focus on clearing Normal Oldie?

Uldir*

[outer dew]

i mean

here's the thing

[sand egret]

eh, they're very different things

[outer dew]

once you clear one part of the content

you'll feel like whatever earlier was easy af

feel free to try different things, get more gear, and push content

[pliant sage]

I know they don't overlap and take different skillsets

[outer dew]

i mean

they do overlap

[sand egret]

well I mean like...one needs way more people

[outer dew]

they'll help you improve mechanically

learn more situationals

get more of an understanding of other classes

etc.

like, don't be afraid to push content

it's very doable

you just have to always remember one thing

you can always be better

[sand egret]

the warrior class won't hold you back for what you're trying to achieve

[outer dew]

the gaps between average->good->top tier players are usually huge

[pliant sage]

Yep. There are always higher things to do

[outer dew]

you always have small things or even large mechanical things to improve on

[sand egret]

so, get that confidence and just cut your teeth

[outer dew]

like, people who know me

will know I sometimes will sit 2 hours in a key

trying retarded shit

[sand egret]

I fucking drop SB during last stand ALL the time, but that doesn't stop me from pushing my keys

[outer dew]

too mong to press SB during last stand

haha

LS = Good to DPS

;DDDD

too many TC + Revenge to spam

[sand egret]

lool yeah but I still have my brain farts where I instinctively block

[pliant sage]

I thought we were supposed to let SB recover it's times during Last Stand because the talent made us 100% bkock

[sand egret]

we are

[outer dew]

yes

but it depends

[sand egret]

i'm illustrating how bad I am

[pliant sage]

Oh

[sand egret]

yet still doing stuff you want to achieve

[outer dew]

so I know some packs need to die quick

or i'll know they'll die quick

so i'll pop last stand in opener and go hard on the DPS

because that's one of the strengths of warrior

strong AoE DPS

[pliant sage]

Like I've been a raid tank on Warrior a few times and the guides in the channel above are so great for understanding what needs to be done

[outer dew]

but that's just something you'll learn and temper yourself

[pliant sage]

And that's what I'm trying to learn but community is what it is so I've been denied to even attempt

[sand egret]

yeah....well you can either roll with them and reroll to a fotm

or play a class you like

[outer dew]

I mean

[pliant sage]

I hate the FoTM classes. Like I get that Warriors aren't ballz amazing in M+

[outer dew]

just form your own groups

lol

[sand egret]

yeah

but

[pliant sage]

I'll have to try that.

[outer dew]

like, if I was to make another toon

[sand egret]

actually

that's very much what I did early

[pliant sage]

Seems like the best option available

[outer dew]

I'd be running into m0 at ilvl 280

LMAO

[sand egret]

once you get your key

[outer dew]

but that's me having an understanding of dungeons

[sand egret]

just ride that shit

[outer dew]

and pulls

[pliant sage]

Warfronts are probably a better use of time at that ilv

[outer dew]

no

because 320 is required

[pliant sage]

Oh?

[outer dew]

and m0 will give you more chances for Az pieces

[sand egret]

tru tru

[pliant sage]

I didn't know there was a min ilv for Warfronts

[sand egret]

imho, just make a group

pick a WQ that's active

make a M0 for it

[pliant sage]

Thanks for the peptalks. I'll just have to do what I can with pugs that I form

[sand egret]

get your key

and just run that

[outer dew]

just remember though

this is avery

very

[sand egret]

also, personal tip for pugging: add "for fun" on there

[outer dew]

depressing week for m+

i mean, the thing is

[sand egret]

you'll get less "go go go"-ers

[outer dew]

if he's not doing 10's people will also be in the mentality

of they just want to finish the key

like once you go higher, it's basically 2-3 wipes and people will retire the key

[sand egret]

I spent a lot of time pugging lower keys solo mate

there's a bunch of people out there who want to do M+ but are intimidated by it

like A LOT

[pliant sage]

What's the scaling from Heroic to M0? I can live ezmode in Heoic.

[sand egret]

325 > 340

you want mythic

because of mythic-only stuff

mechanics, etc.

[pliant sage]

Not gear. In Legion M0 was like 10% buffed from Heroc. Does that metric hold?

And I'm not so much intimidated by the content as I am irritated that my spec is barring me from playing it in randoma.

[thorn yarrow]

depending on your gear you will notice a slight difference but it isnt too bad to just jump from heroic into a +2 even if the group is half competent

[outer dew]

i mean

if you

you're okay with starting your own group

then it's not your class really barring it

[sand egret]

making your own group solves that issue

[outer dew]

i've only had twice where someone would leave because i was prot

lol

[pliant sage]

I was trying to join 2 DPS and 1 heal groups or 3dps and 1 heal and getting turned away

[sand egret]

they made keys infinite for this exact reason

just make your own man, takes 2 seconds to fill

[pliant sage]

So forming my own solves the problems.

[sand egret]

yep

[pliant sage]

Is cheating a thing in M0? I thought gear dropped by boss

[sand egret]

if your goal is to get into there and learn routes etc but are worried that being a prot will bar you from invites...

[pliant sage]

Chesting*

[sand egret]

no

it's only keys

[pliant sage]

So then times doesn't mean crap either

[sand egret]

yep!

so you can learn your route

when you beat the dungeon, you'll get a +2 key

and from there, you just make your own keys and work on your timing

and next week, you'll have a key in your cache so you can just start off with that

[pliant sage]

Seems doable. What's the decay of keys like. I remember if you didn't time a run by x it list levels to your keystone.

[sand egret]

if you fail its -1

[outer dew]

decay is always -1

next week is also -1

[pliant sage]

K

[sand egret]

be it by an hour or 10 seconds

week is -1 of your previous highest

that you completed in time, I believe.

actually I lied, its just -1

[zinc mauve]

pro tip for this week: if victory rush isnt on one of your mouse buttons, you are playing the game wrong

[pliant sage]

I have it as a keybind....

[zinc mauve]

whats it bound to?

[pliant sage]

F

[zinc mauve]

thats a good enough bind

as long as you dont have to reach for it

[pliant sage]

I hover over it enough, my SB is shift+F

[sick sentinel]

underrot with teeming seems really easy

but ML hard

[zinc mauve]

Problem with underrot on +10 is that both groups on the ramps at the start have an infested mob. Fast CC'ing is absolutely required or else the mask is getting healed

or having a DK to grip it away to be CC'd works as well

[sand egret]

pre-first boss is just so annoying in that place

[sick sentinel]

i accidently charged the ramp group and got the mask group as well, but we survived and made the timer, was a +6

[zinc mauve]

the worst groups are the ticks by far

after the first boss, i just go left because the right is so much worse

[sand egret]

oh for sure

[zinc mauve]

but even then, on the left theres about 3 of the stupid worms plus a zillion ticks

[sand egret]

it's that bridge that tends to wreck my pugs

[zinc mauve]

and then you get about 5 explosives that spawn at the same time

after that though the dungeon is super easy

[sand egret]

yeah it's super front-heavy

[zinc mauve]

if you have a demon hunter, after the 3rd boss you can jump up the center section, he can mount up and then everyone can skip a few very annoying packs

[sick sentinel]

those guys at the start that charge cleave and leave a bleed on you is nasty if group is idiots

[zinc mauve]

i find the buff is way worse

[sand egret]

the warcry?

[zinc mauve]

yep

it buffs the priest who can heal, you have less than 1 second to interrupt the heal with warcry active

[sand egret]

oh, honey, I got Boomie and the Tree Amigos in my back pocket

that bitch is on soothe duty

[zinc mauve]

gottem

my group usually has a DK + DH, sometimes we have our boomy, sometimes we have a lock instead

[sand egret]

i may pug, but I pick my groups with reason 😃

[zinc mauve]

DH's are amazing for explosive

[sand egret]

you can banish the mask though

so a lock aint bad

[zinc mauve]

dont always have the warlock, but good to know

[sick sentinel]

yeah, we had a really good lock in both of your groups.

[sand egret]

i was doing a KR the other day and my group was all high and mighty about how we were screwed on the bridge cuz the mage / dh couldn't cc....

and I'm like....why do you think I brought a Priest?

I could hear the audible confusion emanating from their heads.

[zinc mauve]

S H A C K L E U N D E A D

[sand egret]

they legit had no idea that spell existed

[zinc mauve]

most people dont know priests can do damage

[sand egret]

heck, I don't even think the fucking priest thought of it

[pliant sage]

Love Shackle. Did DKs get Controll Undead back?

[zinc mauve]

i had a +13 AD last night were my disc priest was doing more damage that the destro lock we pugged

he said he could hold is own...

[sand egret]

yeeee[

bring a DK with you in King's Rest, btw

[pliant sage]

Why?

[sand egret]

that and AD

control undead

[zinc mauve]

the mobs they can take control of are super strong

[pliant sage]

I understand why in Atol

[sand egret]

just some monster mobs you can grab

[pliant sage]

Oh kool

[zinc mauve]

the beast master for example does like 5k dps

[sand egret]

yeah and she's a PITA so its a win/win

[zinc mauve]

either that or the berserker

cant remember which one does more dmg

[sand egret]

if she gets barrage off, the beastmaster

[zinc mauve]

cause i dont do kings rest. Period

[sand egret]

zerker does a lot of damage through the dot if it stacks and you don't offload it

another reason to bring a DK

[zinc mauve]

tyrannical weeks its nearly impossible because the fights are either massive dps checks (1st boss) or nearly impossible if the dungeon decides to fuck you (council)

[sand egret]

i've never had a problem on council

to be honest

[zinc mauve]

what kind of healer?

[sand egret]

the first boss has claimed ALL my pugs

hmmm, I generally like to run with MW/Resto Druid

but I've done it with every healer

[zinc mauve]

i do it with a disc priest and its a nightmare

its only the severing axe

[sand egret]

which parts are hard

[zinc mauve]

theres no way for me to help with it as a prot warrior; i cant intercept it and safeguard sucks for that fight for different reasons

i can only rallying cry once to save them

just a note this is on 10+ keys

dunno if you are doing those or not

i know the council in freehold is super hard because of eudora on tyrannical, but i can at least intercept that to save my healer

you cant intercept severing axe

and on high tyrannical keys it will do will over their entire healthpool

its not an issue if it targets the demon hunter cause the DH can just dodge it 90% of the time

[pliant sage]

What mechanics are we talking about? Sorry trying to learn

[lucid kelp]

am I stupid?

how long as Shield Block been 30 rage?

[sand egret]

yeah, I mean that shit is gonna be rough on Disc

[pliant sage]

Since prepatch

[lucid kelp]

man...I dunno why I always thought it was 40...i should read tooltips

[zinc mauve]

@pliant sage Severing axe in King's Rest, council fight. Specifically on high Tyrannical keys

[pliant sage]

As a part of play I'm supposed to have 30ish rage in my pool so I can always use SB right?

[zinc mauve]

SB should be up if you are tanking a mob(s) that will smack you

[pliant sage]

Severing axe does a scaling amount of damage and tyrannical buffs that damage?

[zinc mauve]

correct

[sand egret]

yep

[pliant sage]

Eww

[zinc mauve]

it will target 1 random person who is not the tank

[pliant sage]

Sounds like the Ogres at the front of Deadmines

[zinc mauve]

it can be dodged, cannot be intercepted

restro druids have 0 issue with it because they can go bear form and have a zillion hp + armor

[pliant sage]

Even more eww. Doesn't Intercept give a DR if you talent?

[zinc mauve]

it does, but on tyrannical, when you get debuffed and lose most of your armor, you have to kite

even with block, the boss will hit over 100k per auto attack

[pliant sage]

The fudge

[zinc mauve]

the leap talent is much better for that fight and that dungeon in general

[pliant sage]

That sounds aweful

[sand egret]

you can outrange the debuff, btw

[zinc mauve]

you can only parry it

[sand egret]

the backhand?

[zinc mauve]

parrying it will still knock you back,but you take no damage and the debuff does not get applied

and yes the backhand

[sand egret]

guess I've got the sickest luck....

[zinc mauve]

whats you're parry%?

[sand egret]

21?

[zinc mauve]

if you have a lot of crit you probably have pretty high parry

dunno what mine is but that sounds about right

[pliant sage]

I remember doing Heroic Baelock in Firelands and dodging the purple blade on my bear.

I miss 40% dodge

[outer dew]

I have two crit trinkets

Because fuck my survivability

I'm living on the edge now

[zinc mauve]

i use Jes' and mythrax trinkets

[pliant sage]

Eh for my ilv I'm prioritizing Haste and Strength

What is a good haste percent to be at? I know Legion had a recommended 20%

[zinc mauve]

shoot for the stars really

also, is that 20% with your Into the fray stacks?

[pliant sage]

So as much haste/mastery gear as I can get at the highest ilv

And iirc into the fray used to only go up to 15%

[zinc mauve]

stacking haste + mastery/versatility is what most people do

some swear by haste + crit but they're all very similar

[outer dew]

Depends on preference

[zinc mauve]

haste is by far the most important

[outer dew]

I prefer haste/crit for m+

And haste/mastery for taid

Raid*

[zinc mauve]

i can respect that

[pliant sage]

For damage? I'm assuming Vers is for magic passive DR?

[outer dew]

Vers also buffs IP doesn't it?

[zinc mauve]

i wouldnt be able to tell you that

IP scales off of attack power, so mostly strength

more AP = higher IP

thats why we use strength flasks

[pliant sage]

Yep. Vers is just a passive no to damage from all sources isn't it?

[outer dew]

Yeap

It's amazing for other tanks

Because Damage increase, increased healing, damage reduction

[pliant sage]

But that's not how we use stats

[outer dew]

But our lack of healing as main form of mitigation makes it less valuable for us

Still good. Just not crazy

[lucid kelp]

and mythic Fetid down.

Im a few weeks behind..but still doing it

[outer dew]

Grats (:

[sick sentinel]

i am not sure about the trinket list on icy vanes...Have a good tip ? Could not open the dremgrove thing

[steel mauve]

into the fray gives more haste the more haste you actually have, and our stat priority order only takes precedence if the item is the same ilvl, except for trinkets and possibly rings, but still very close up there

and yes vers effects ip as its an absorb

there isnt really a recommended number of haste % to be at, just get as much as you can with out sacrificing any ilvl for it, and since there is no caps, having more haste wont ever hurt

[plain vapor]

ayeee mythic zul down

@@@@@

booty clapping these dps

[amber siren]

MW monk DPS real MVP

[sick sentinel]

The fistweaver is still alive I see

[rough egret]

Congrats, mine guild died

@sick sentinel im currently runing with blockades and lions strength.

[sick sentinel]

Vers does buff IP.

apart of the +healing done% of it.

[rough egret]

Guys here are often saying that Best trinkets for us are Rezans and Jess

The Mythrax eye is good aswell

[amber siren]

main thing is you won't have a trinket combination that works in 100% of all situations

It's best to understand why people make those choices

[rough egret]

For fortified week I think that lions strength is a good choice.

If i would háve Rezans až 370 i will probably replaced blockades

[outer dew]

I mean

I'm memeing and using zek and waycresy trinket

[cinder nova]

@plain vapor You can do better than that.

I did a 30K Parse tonight with razdunk and a pvp trinket

because I'm lazy

[amber siren]

I mean it's prog so it's not surprising but I mean it's p good for a progression parse

[manic perch]

hey guys, where do i find the boss rotation for freehold this week?

[oblique garnet]

its beerguy and sword guy

so no eudora

freeweek

[manic perch]

lol that cow sitting out yay on tyranical hitting like a 18wheeler

[neon tangle]

Oh damn, mythrax nerf

No mire MC balls for melee

[oblique garnet]

I think if you stack full raid with blood dks they can do it without healers

since they wont get orbs etc

[autumn pendant]

Encounter will freakin crash from that haha

[tulip pond]

2 tanks, all dps melee, mistweavers, holy paladins and then one healer that isn't mw or hpala

Everyone laughs as the one healer gets every orb

[sinful bay]

finally got my first dc azerite piece but only 340 😦

[oblique garnet]

gotta do that pvp

it shouldnt take long with the increased conquest rewards even in 2s

[daring patrol]

or get lucky with one of these

[oblique garnet]

^

[sinful bay]

where did you get that ?

ah it's emissary. haven't been lucky there yet

[sick sentinel]

Well with me stacking ilvl, I am stacking crit/mastery, rip

[mental scarab]

VS sounds nice

[placid citrus]

multiple uses of IP do not stack right?

[oblique garnet]

man normal raids give so low ap wth

[sick sentinel]

@placid citrus it stacks up to 1.3x times the tooltip so you can use it after it is almost done

you can get the IP tracker Weak aura from the pins and you can re-press ignore pain when it is white to perfectly stack it

Why whould you ever do a normal raid

[placid citrus]

gotcha

thanks

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel I honestly dont know im just trying to farm ap and cba to do islands

[sick sentinel]

do WQs

[oblique garnet]

done all of them already

[sick sentinel]

cap your islands

log off

why would you farm AP, ever

[oblique garnet]

i need like 50% to get 31

and then i get the ilvl up for my helm

[sick sentinel]

island rarefarming is way more fun than just island farming and rares give quest items for 700 AP

I farmed my AP doing m+ but it is not time efficient

[oblique garnet]

yeah like doing +13 gives what 290?

[sick sentinel]

around there

[oblique garnet]

and takes 25-40 mins

[sick sentinel]

I would no bother

50% to 31 is like 16k or some shit

[oblique garnet]

13.7k

wait no

11k

[sick sentinel]

I would suggest to not bother

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but i legit have nothing else to do

[sick sentinel]

farm mounts/gold/tmog/play other games/level an alt week...

[daring patrol]

i cba to even do my weekly islands anymore. that shit got old way too fast

[sick sentinel]

I have done my weekly islands like 4 times

2 first weeks and then when I needed like 2k AP fast for a trait

[sick sentinel]

50% to 33

[fossil basalt]

Prot is dead hha

Developers no idea about new rotation

[storm isle]

what do you mean with prot is dead?

[dull ibex]

'rotation' you mean thunderclap 4Head

[uneven mason]

@storm isle elfmn is a rotating troll, he jumps around the discords trying to get folks to argue with him, one of the lucky half dozen that I have blocked in here.

[storm isle]

Aah i see

What do you guys think of the fact TC only has a 20% slow?

[uneven mason]

I think it used to have a 50% slow

and then whey they gave us Dragon's Roar

they took it away

which has been a pretty sore spot for us

as we're the only tank that doesn't have a reliable way of slowing mobs down

[frosty wedge]

definitely makes kiting way harder

[uneven mason]

since mobs run 30% faster than players

[frosty wedge]

I mean - monks keg smash is only 20

[uneven mason]

Druids can at least Vortex or Typhoon

Ring of Peace

[frosty wedge]

they have to go special dleivery to get more slow

true

[uneven mason]

right they have the option at least

but monks have RoP

which is like the best snare in the game

[frosty wedge]

dragons roar though

:p

[uneven mason]

lasts 6 seconds

[frosty wedge]

I know, I'm just trolling at this point because I want to feel better about how much they don't care about warrior 😦

[uneven mason]

if it lasted 30

Well they care

but utility is always going to be our weakest point

[frosty wedge]

do they?

[uneven mason]

yeah, we're raid tanks

more or less

[frosty wedge]

They've left the original tank on the bottom of the pile for well over a year with 0 love

[uneven mason]

our utility is great for raiding

[sick sentinel]

opinions?

[uneven mason]

depends how comfortable you feel

[frosty wedge]

^

[uneven mason]

the socketed legs obviously have more value

[frosty wedge]

what's your haste at without the pants?

[uneven mason]

overall they're stronger

but if you feel slow

wear the haste ones

I got 390 legs offa Zek lastnight

wearing them over my 385 taloc pants

[frosty wedge]

nice

[sick sentinel]

17.66% without haste pants and 19.50% haste with pants

[uneven mason]

because at 50% I'm not feeling to bad

[sick sentinel]

with 0 itf ofc

[frosty wedge]

I just beat my face against mythic taloc for an hour with a horrible pug last night to remind myself why pugging is a real bad idea

[astral crystal]

@sick sentinel i'd put the haste ones on unless youre putting a str gem in the socketed ones

[uneven mason]

RA is a hell of a drug

@astral crystal LITERALLYWAHT?

[sick sentinel]

why str gem lol

[uneven mason]

1. Str is not our best stat

[daring patrol]

yeah its going to be hard getting used to no RA in 8.1

[astral crystal]

str isnt our best stat

[storm isle]

RA?

[uneven mason]

2. The crit/mast/socket legs will lead to overall less damage taken for a fight as long as he has enough haste to reach "effective" 100% uptime on block

reorigination array

[sick sentinel]

@storm isle they mean reorigination Array

[uneven mason]

its the buff in Uldir

[storm isle]

Thanks

[uneven mason]

gives you an insane amount of your highest 2ndary

mine is finally haste

[storm isle]

Im just bad the the shortenings

[sick sentinel]

@astral crystal are you memeing?

[uneven mason]

@astral crystal Str isn't haste is, str is strong, because item level carries a lot of it

but 40 str is weaker than 40 haste/vers/mast (maybe crit)

70haste > 100 str

more or less

[astral crystal]

if youre going for haste why not wear the haste pants fam

[daring patrol]

crit is still good, all of our secondaries are pretty close together

[astral crystal]

afaik there's no hardcap on the amount of hate you want

haste

but also hate

[sick sentinel]

because you want as much stats as possible

[uneven mason]

Well, because the value of the haste gem + crit/mast probably outweighs it once you reach a point that you can maintain 100% effective uptime on block

like I said - it depends on his particular situation

[astral crystal]

it's not just about effective block uptime

[uneven mason]

I myself, might swap my gems to vers for Uldir

[astral crystal]

lowering GCD is op

[uneven mason]

it is though, that is why haste is our strongest defensive stat

because of the CD reduction on SB

[astral crystal]

im well aware of what haste does lol

i'm just saying

[uneven mason]

and TC

[astral crystal]

you can never have enough

[uneven mason]

thats a bit of a misnomer, and goes against our gearing logic

haste is strong, but not strong enough to sacrifice item level, a gem, is in general worth about 5 ilvls

but, those pieces are so close

it will come down to the feel

if he feels he needs more haste

than yeha haste pants

[astral crystal]

mactier, i understand this, i'm not new to prot

[uneven mason]

well I mean, you did just suggest putting a str gem in

[astral crystal]

but again, you cant really understate how stronk it is to lower your gcds

[uneven mason]

[astral crystal]

it was a contrast

obviously i'd take the haste pants

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

crit isn't bad tho

its just random

[astral crystal]

i understand the meme behind that pic

[uneven mason]

😄

@sick sentinel at below 20% haste wear the haste pants

When your haste looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/512082376470298655/unknown.png

you can stop stacking rite

Helm offa mother lastnight HNGG

385 haste bracers

Anyone got tips for Vectis

[signal plover]

Hmm dat mythrax change gonna make M prog interesting tonight

[daring patrol]

1 stack

[astral crystal]

im at 42% and i still think more haste is good

[uneven mason]

its gonna mean melee don't get shit on

[signal plover]

I'm aware

[uneven mason]

that was horrible "primry strat - don't bring melee"

[astral crystal]

not that i really sacrifice any stats at this point, i spam enough m+ and m uldir has been kind to me with haste drops, got the sword off mytrhax at 395 with socket and avoidance opop

[signal plover]

I'm also super wary of blizz fucking something else up

Unintentionally

Like suddenly visions will spawn in the wall

[uneven mason]

that'd be fantastic

My favorite is the folks who hump the wall /collision objects

and you can't get htem out of the orbs

because some numbnuts hits them and hten the DK can't get LOS

[worn elbow]

warriors tank use laser matrix or archive of the titans?

[signal plover]

Archive

[uneven mason]

archive, see above image @47.79% haste

thats literally me just zoning

well I guess thats RA

but ARchive is armor, laser is garbage

[worn elbow]

which traits are recommended for mythic plus?

[oblique garnet]

BFIx2 or BFI and IF + DC

but it comes down to personal preference

You can also mix up archive in there if you want

[uneven mason]

basically 1DC then BFI /IF are your next best 2

the DC trait is getting a sizeable nerf (more or less decoupling it from scaling like crazy with UF)

so it will be much more in line with the other traits defensively

offensively it'll probably remain our #1

[sand egret]

Sometimes...when Im alone at night....I unequip my DC piece, wear 3x BFI, and smack the dummy....

I’m sorry. sobs in shame

[worn elbow]

rp is good or archive of titans?

for mithyc plus

[dusk locust]

@uneven mason for vectis i'm a big fan of my co-tank starting the boss and taking one stack, then i taunt and take 2, and we keep swapping when he has 1 and i have 2. he picks up all adds with that rhythm and i take the boss out of the raid when he's about to transition

[idle copper]

I have a question with regards to how archive of the titans works.. so it goes for your highest secondary stat and enhances it (ideally haste).. but this is where I’m confused .. and I have noticed this in uldir .. I’m sitting at 20% crit and 15% haste (without having people near me so no Into the Fray buff).. which means my crit is enhanced instead of haste.. but when I’m around 2 or more people it means my haste becomes my second highest stat, which then gets boosted by archive of the Titans .. now if I’m in a situation where I don’t have anyone else near me while I’m tanking the boss, am I really benefiting from archive of the Titans? Since my haste will go less than my crit and my crit will be boosted instead ?

[dusk locust]

and sometimes i can grab an omega vector during intermission and cancel a lingering infection stack w/ spell reflect

i thought archive was based off the number, rather than the %. i don't actually know tho

i'm super mastery heavy so i don't get haste out of it anyway 😛

[idle copper]

Well the higher number = higher percentage so it doesn’t really matter about the units I think

[dusk locust]

does it translate directly like that?

hm

at any rate doesn't into the fray add %

[oblique garnet]

You mean reorigination array?

[sand egret]

itf is a flat %

i believe array takes your highest value

[quartz pond]

its rating

not % for the array

[final mist]

Into the Fray is a multiplicative Haste increase, it's not always 15% Haste.

Array also takes temporary increases into account, so for instance if you have 800 Haste and 750 Vers, and you have a Vers proc trinket that gives you 100 Vers, Array will swap to Vers when the trinket procs.

And then swap back to Haste after.

[oblique garnet]

If only leech would be the highest stat Kappa

[uneven mason]

I'd rather have vers

when RA hits vers its pretty massive

quite noticeable in raw damage reduction

self healing is for tanks that take damage

@dusk locust I'll bring that up, since yeah tanking the add @2 stacks is pretty butt puckering

[dusk locust]

the flow is super nice that way

[astral crystal]

when im tanking boss + add i usually just throw up LS, demo and aks for a bark

[dusk locust]

i have an audio countdown warning me when the boss is about to transition and i just move out of the raid

[uneven mason]

I need todo that

[signal plover]

Ya my countdown is in German so that it's super obvious

[dusk locust]

hah

[uneven mason]

VIER DREI ZWEI EIN

yeah

I could see that being attention getting

[dusk locust]

man after a couple raid nights on m zul with a great deal of trouble (1 or 2 rogues), 4 of us went ham on rogue alts, including me. expecting to walk into zul tonight with 6 rogues

this should be interesting

[uneven mason]

its horrible that that fight is tuned so horribly that you're required to stack an insane amount of cheese for it

[astral crystal]

we had to do it with 4 rogues last night, still made the push alright

[dusk locust]

imo the fight is appropriately difficult if you don't have the rogues

and too easy with

[astral crystal]

ify our raid's ilvl is high enough you'll be fine

[dusk locust]

the push before second set of hexers?

[astral crystal]

yeah

there were a few pulls where we just CC'd the new set

[dusk locust]

we were barely beating 3rd crusher with 2 rogues

largely because we have no hunters so we had to grip 1 hexer in and dps it

[uneven mason]

RIP

[astral crystal]

that's rough

no hunters on that fight sux

[dusk locust]

yeah. we were trying with hex and polymorph but the add hops around a ton

and sometimes heals anyway

gripping 1 hexer in gave us the space that it made it ok

[hidden ether]

Hey I was looking at the patch notes for warrior, what is actually changing for prot doesn't make much sense to me all I say was a list of most of our skills and we are losing our mastery but I didn't see a replacement

[lusty grotto]

we are not losing our mastery

[uneven mason]

dats some old notes you're looking at

[sand egret]

yeah man, our new mastery just directly adds our rating # to your raider.io score. Mastery is now the best stat.

man, this is some good ass coffee

[neon tangle]

What coffee?

[sand egret]

my coffee!

feelin' like my spicy boi today

[lusty grotto]

you need to calm down blade

[sand egret]

Naw man, I'm riding on high. Decided to say fuck it and bomb my AD +10. Went full YOLO and brought 2 Frost DKs and a Boomie. Ran down Totem Alley first, needless to say we were rolling DEEP.

[tulip pond]

Reading yet another HURR WARRIOR IS UNVIABLE BLIZZ BUFF!!1 thread from wow forums and the OP runs Indomitable instead of Bolster :/

[sand egret]

between Chuck, Larry, and the Tree Amigos, we were straight squadding up

[signal plover]

Reading wow forums

Brave soul

[sand egret]

I couldn't find it

but from the 10 seconds I spent on there...boy did that look gross

[signal plover]

Hard pass lol

Unless it's to support a thread by a prot that knows what they're doing

[chilly brook]

Hmmm catching up

Don’t ever stop stacking haste

[sand egret]

or believin'

[neon tangle]

Honest question, why stack haste past the point where we don’t have downtime on CDs / AM?

[ember arrow]

That point is

150%

I think

[neon tangle]

That’s for just straight SB

[ember arrow]

Thats AM

[neon tangle]

We can have 100% effective uptime once you include bolster + CDs

Especially with pauses / taunt swaps

[idle copper]

This may sound like a noob question but should I prevent stacking demoralizing shout with any other cds especially shield block?

As a rule of thumb I stay away from stacking cds unless I’m having an “oh crap” moment

But was curious about this one

[lusty bay]

Hello, what's the best race for prot warrior horde-wise?

[stone crag]

not really, rarely would you use DS as strictly defensive, SB isn't considered a CD either

[chilly brook]

@neon tangle for various reasons, faster gcd, lower CDs, more rage, less damage intake because more ability to use IP, more damage output etc.

And haste continues to be your best stat if theorycrafting is to believed even if you’re at a point where you realistically don’t have gaps

[neon tangle]

Just theory wise, I’m curious why I wouldn’t want more critical blocks or Crits/parries

Relative to lowering CDs that I’m already using rotationally, and will have up

Feels like lowering that CD further, feeding AM further is “wasted”

[stark sage]

AM is your god

[vocal nimbus]

Parry/crit blocking is unreliable

[stark sage]

you must appease it

[stone crag]

unless you literally never use your CDs, AM is never wasted

that includes avatar and demo shout

[neon tangle]

@stone crag hear me out here, if I’m using my CDs rotationally (defensive ones) to fill in gaps in my active mitigation

If they come off 5, 10, 30 seconds early it largely doesn’t matter because I’m going to be delaying it

To fill in those gaps

In those cases it is certainly “wasted” defense-wise, right?

[sand egret]

if our cds were only defensive, maybe

[stark sage]

well you shouldnt be delaying stuff like DS or LS in some cases

if you plan out your CD usage, with AM you can reach really high uptime on blocks

[neon tangle]

For this particular argument I’m only talking defensively, lowering avatar is valid

[red sequoia]

Demo and Avatar should be used as often as possible really, because they feed into your AM with rage gains.

[neon tangle]

Right, my whole argument here is that there is an effective “cap” on how much AM will provide you defensively

[stark sage]

sure, but how will you reach that cap without AM

[neon tangle]

We need AM to get there, I’m not sure how much value haste has once we hit that point though

[red sequoia]

but getting that amount of haste isnt practical

[stark sage]

well our secondaries are all close enough that it doesnt matter too much

[sand egret]

but that point "changes" as well

after all, our cds aren't all the same time

[neon tangle]

Since most of the “why haste is good” reasons boil down to “helps get to 100% effective uptime on mitigation”

[stark sage]

well its also good for damage

[stone crag]

Damage, Rage gen, CDR

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand egret]

nor the same length, so even if you somehow get LS to be up 100% of the time and it comes off cd early even, you're still contributing to Shield Wall, for instance

[red sequoia]

SS, TC cds are both reduced by haste

[stark sage]

something like crit isnt terrible defensively, especially in a m+ setting where most of the damage you take is from auto's

but haste will help against boss mechanics

and its also pretty okay vs magic

in a raid setting, parriable damage sources are rarely lethal

[sand egret]

inc Mac's parry image....

[neon tangle]

Just to make sure, does anyone know why you would want to lower CDs below the 100% effective uptime mitigation threshold?

[stark sage]

you wouldnt, but haste past that threshold feeds into more IP uptime and more dps

[sand egret]

even if you're covered defensively, there is still offensive gains

[stark sage]

also the further passed 100% effective uptime gives you more room to make mistakes or pressure more dps

[neon tangle]

This is why i don’t understand why you wouldn’t want crit or mastery instead , both of which do provide more damage reduction

My whole theory: we have a haste cap lol

[sand egret]

not for magic.

[neon tangle]

Or vers?

[stark sage]

i mean you are going to be picking up a decent spread of stats gearing normally anyway

and if you have reached 100% effective AM uptime, getting a marginal increase to blocks/parries isnt going to be noticeable or required

[outer dew]

Yeah.

My stats are like ~700 everything, 1.2k haste

If I remember correctly

[oblique garnet]

oh jesus sco legit said on stream that getting ip off gcd is great because it allows more casts on devastate

[stark sage]

not wrong

[oblique garnet]

but devastate is so weak

[stark sage]

also resets slam

which is not weak

[red sequoia]

^^

[neon tangle]

And to expand a little on what I said earlier, if haste is our top stat, but there’s a point where it becomes... less useful

[sand egret]

sounds of Prot warriors across the world slamming Devastate over TClap during Avatar

[neon tangle]

Seems like it would stop being our top stat

[stark sage]

@neon tangle thats the case with almost every stat for every class. very rarely to do stats have increasing returns or scale perfectly linearly

[stone crag]

if you could reach that point then you'd focus on something else

those are called caps, it's still the best stat until you reach that point

[oblique garnet]

If it was guaranteed reset on shield slam sure it would be much better

[red sequoia]

so what's the opinion on the mythrax trinket?

[stark sage]

well duh, 100% reset chance

would be pretty broken

[stone crag]

i feel like you're completely misunderstanding how stats works

[sand egret]

oh my lawd

[neon tangle]

@stone crag don’t we all hit 100% effective uptime on mitigation tho?

[sand egret]

100% reset

[outer dew]

Hnnnng

[stark sage]

slam > dev >slam > dev

[outer dew]

BFI would be so tasty

[stone crag]

i'm almost positive, no

[outer dew]

Forever 2 stack up time

[sand egret]

that woudl be hilarious

[outer dew]

12-14k crits on SS

[sand egret]

way more than that

[outer dew]

The 4th dps as prot warrior would be a real meme

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but keladan the amount of times i use devastate instead of tc or revenge is abysmal

[outer dew]

Hnnnnnnnng

[sand egret]

you could stack BFI realllll high

[stark sage]

partially because you would fill those empty gcds with IP @oblique garnet

[sand egret]

9 second window every other gcd...

[outer dew]

Hmm. At two stacks of BFI and 381 ilvl

12-14k is my range I think

[sand egret]

2 stacks as in, 2 stacks of the trait or the buff

[outer dew]

2 stacks of trait

Not buff

Because there are moments where my crit won't insta kill an explosive

[sand egret]

so your unstacked slams?

[outer dew]

Nahhh, sometimes they live with a sliver qq

Scammed AF

[sand egret]

im at 371 and I was slapping shit last night and I was seeing 15ish

[neon tangle]

@stone crag I mean, with breaks / taunt swaps / etc I know I can tank everything in Uldir without having mitigation drop

[sand egret]

but I'm 2x trait and this was stacking it like 3x

(with SB up, btw)

[outer dew]

Maybe I gotta recheck, but very rarely did I get very high crits

[stone crag]

that's incredibly fight dependent though, thus being unreliable... there's no patchwerk style fight were you can just generalize

[outer dew]

Ahh, that might be it.

[stone crag]

even then i'm almost certain you can;'t reach 100% effective uptime

[outer dew]

I get really greedy and use last stand

[stone crag]

with zero gaps

[outer dew]

And just spam dps

Lmao

[sand egret]

yeahh..only downside to that shit

wish it acted like SB for SS damage bonus haha

[vocal nimbus]

@neon tangle you will get more uptime on avatar and demo anyways

Which are used on cd pretty much

[stone crag]

haste isn't just about SB uptime either, there's many other uses

[vocal nimbus]

Having AM fueling those two is enough to make haste the better stat without cap

[stark sage]

usually once you hit a defensive cap, you start going for the best dps option

which is still haste

[neon tangle]

Would be nice if we could sim our dps

[vocal nimbus]

And avatar/demo have defensive value too

😂

[neon tangle]

What defensive benefit does avatar have?

[sand egret]

givves armor

[vocal nimbus]

20 rage

[sand egret]

right>?

or am i fucking insane

[vocal nimbus]

Gives 20 rage on use

[vagrant cape]

Avatar gives no armor

[stone crag]

rage gen primarily

[sand egret]

oh playing my bear too much

thats incarn

[steel mauve]

right now just the rage, but it will be able to auto give ip in 8.1

[vagrant cape]

Avatar grants 20 rage and lowers CD on TC so we get more rage and DC uptime indirectly

[stark sage]

^

[neon tangle]

With DC I can 100% get haste

[vocal nimbus]

Woth dc you get demo not haste

🤔

Did i read something wrong?

[stark sage]

yes

[vagrant cape]

"with DC I can 100% get haste" makes absolutely no sense. Please clarify @neon tangle

[stark sage]

with dc i can 100% understand importance of haste

[vagrant cape]

Oooooh. Yes. That makes sense.

[vocal nimbus]

Kelade is smart

[stark sage]

:bigbrain:

[vagrant cape]

Thank you for the translation

[vocal nimbus]

:2000iq:

[neon tangle]

What keladan said

[stark sage]

:2000iq:

[stone crag]

:wesmart:

[uneven mason]

Defensive benefit of Avatar? - Pumps your RPS to new heights, speeding up your CDs through AM, extends DS, we need moar? @neon tangle

[chilly brook]

Wow I missed all the fun haste talk

[latent widget]

Is Darkmoon Deck Blockades still a good trinket? Have 375 Lingering Sporepods and Xalzaix already

Noticed blockades going for 2k gold. Is it worth just picking up?

[sand egret]

stay tuned puts finger up in air I think we're probably about due for a "Will Prot still suck in 8.1?" debate coming on....

[outer dew]

Blockades is only good if you feel like you need defensices

I mean

[sand egret]

jesus 2k gold?~1

fucking paid 30k for mine

[sick sentinel]

Is it worth going from a 360 chest to a 375 chest even though it would mean losing deafening crash trait?

[sand egret]

woof

[outer dew]

Why not just roll DK

[sand egret]

no deathray

[outer dew]

No

If it's your one of

You shouldn't drop it

[sand egret]

sew that shit to your chest slot

[sick sentinel]

i figured as much, oh well

[outer dew]

I can go 3x BFI memes at 385

By DC too good

[sand egret]

come next patch, you'll get a bit more of a back-and-forth on it

but for now, get used to that shit

[steel mauve]

blockades is a good defensive trinket, and great value for its price

[sick sentinel]

on the plus side i got a 375 helm today/last night that has same traits as 360 one

[steel mauve]

atm DC is worth about 45 ilvls

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it's pretty insane, with heroism you can keep demo up 100%

[latent widget]

Ty for the answers. Followup question would be if blockades is better than sporepods at 375. Don't think I value the max hp from blockades, just overall sustain vs raidbosses

[steel mauve]

it is

sporepods is trash

the healing isnt good, overheals a lot, or comes in when you dont need it, and the dmg from it is nearly an auto attack

[chilly brook]

@sand egret maybe that should be a topic for a new video for me

[sand egret]

make sure you @ your number 1 fan

[uneven mason]

@latent widget Blockades is overbudgeted, its effect on moment to moment EHP puts it quite a bit higher than other "defensive" trinkets, because to a one they're either under budget (bandages) or RNG, Blockades has one thing going for it, RELIABILITY It provides a benefit 100% of the time when in combat, and that counts for a shitload.

[latent widget]

I'll try it out, thanks for the insight!

[icy basalt]

So I heard the ptr ip change was reverted back be gcd..

That legit?

[oblique garnet]

its not on gcd

it only has 1 sec cd

which basically changes nothing

[icy basalt]

... Oh yay....

[vocal nimbus]

IP on the ptr has its own CD to avoid double clicking/tapping it

[lavish oracle]

I mean, there are very few situations where you'll be generating rage and taking damage quickly enough to need to cast IP more than once every second

[oblique garnet]

doesnt it overcap anyways if you get 2 off?

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, the IP cap is 1.3

[oblique garnet]

yeah so youre wasting alot if you just double tap it so the 1 sec cd is basically nothing

[sand egret]

unless you're literally taking so much damage that you lose 70% of IP in .5 seconds

[lavish oracle]

You'd need to be taking a lot of damage to avoid wasting rage

[sand egret]

helps more than it hurts, imho

[sick sentinel]

Thanks @prisma crane and all else whom have provided me with Prot Warrior tips you have helped me a lot now am playing the class smoothly 😃

[oblique garnet]

ye exactly blade

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel glad the community was able to help 🙃

[sand egret]

woo!

[chilly brook]

Should I bug people to see if I could get my video pinned :kappa

Piss off all the people who are just in here to alt a prot tank and play another tank spec

xD

[frosty wedge]

ooh video?!

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s not new just my video guide lul

It’s more of a joke comment than anything

[sand egret]

im pretty sure we don't want an "official" endorsement of people who play Pandas

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook How are the comments on that video going?

[chilly brook]

It’s a good thing I’m not a panda anymore

@neon tangle I mean mostly good outside of a few dummies

Finally broke through to that dude that SB>IP

Quick maffs helps

[neon tangle]

How far are you guys in mythic now?

[open bluff]

Not a panda? More food for me omnomnom

[sand egret]

woah

woah woah

when did you switch?

did you go Spicy Boi?!

[chilly brook]

Switched the other day to a glitter boi (blood elf)

@neon tangle my current guild is 6/8 but I’m not actively raiding

[neon tangle]

waiting for 8.1?

[sand egret]

wow, didn't even go Nightborne

[chilly brook]

Well they have me as a fury warrior rn, and with the last few prog nights they didn’t want any extra cleave on Zul and mythrax was melee Light for a reason

Applied to another 6/8M guild though that wants a tank so we’ll see how that goes

@sand egret you right I shoulda been a nightborne female warrior

Cuz the male animations are cheeks for that race and night elves

[sand egret]

im going nightborne female

[chilly brook]

I’m trying to remember what the sword and shield animations look like for nightborne females

[sand egret]

a bit more upright

[chilly brook]

On a side note though I like actually having a useful racial

😜

[sand egret]

fireblooood

but think of the phat aoe dps increase Ill get with my sweet 3 min cooldown arcane explosion?1

[chilly brook]

Lul

All 3k damage kek

[open bluff]

I mean

Double food buff is useful

[chilly brook]

Very useful

But heritage armor and purge 😍

And there’s something to be said about having all gear look good on you lul

Post 8.1 it won’t matter though I’ll be a trolly boi

[sand egret]

them small heads

[chilly brook]

I don’t see the small head thing

[sand egret]

if you don't use the default ui portraits prob

[chilly brook]

Same head size as a regular troll

Just see the neck more

Cuz they stand up straight

[sand egret]

mmmhmm yeah not seeing that

[chilly brook]

@sand egret

[lusty grotto]

yeah i don't see the tiny head at all

it's regular size

[sand egret]

it's very much a portrait thing

i just can't unsee it now

[chilly brook]

You can see that their head/neck are basically the same with the darkspear ghost stand up image

Tfw you don’t even use portraits

[sand egret]

hence why I said that

[chilly brook]

I guess that’s kinda a lie

You can see the animated character model on my HP bars

But low opacity

[sand egret]

yeah portrait =/= animated model

in terms of framing

animated models on those UIs will show helm eyeglow effects, portraits don't, for instance

[hidden ether]

So I asked earlier and people said I was looking at an old list, can someone link the new 8.1 patch notes?

[chilly brook]

[sand egret]

just check the pins

[chilly brook]

Like literally the first thing basically

[sand egret]

"literally"..."basically" 😆 hek hek hek

[chilly brook]

Wadu

[hidden ether]

Second 😜 but thank you, gonna miss the long DS and super high DPS