I got m+ cache, two emissaries and world boss, no DC for me 😦
#protection
sinful bay
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel ml shouldnt be that bad if youre doing the double deathskip
oblique garnet
Its sad but its the best route
sick sentinel
kinda
oblique garnet
Especially on teemih
Teeming
throw wrench might feel horrible but rest shouldnt be that bad
sick sentinel
you can shockwave the wrenches
digital arrow
👢 🍵 👏
uneven mason
Thunderclap - Shield slam an orb - Thunderclap - Victory RUsh an orb - THunderclap - Victory rush an orb
modern brook
trinket q:
digital arrow
foot soup clap
uneven mason
BOOT TEA CLAP
modern brook
We can drop a bunch of ilvls on trinkets for maintsat righT?
chilly brook
Well things are looking hopeful for this tank spot in this new guild
modern brook
390 Tendril / 395 Vial of Animated Blood / 370 Gore -crusted butcher block / 355 socketed Eye of Rezan / 355 blockades
I'm using Ilvl rn, but im comparing my stats to better people
chilly brook
Oof that tendril tho
chilly brook
Have they actually buffed that thing yet?
oblique garnet
Vial and gore probably
modern brook
inc 👢 🍵
oblique garnet
Vial is the only trinket i dont actually have🤔
steel mauve
Tendrils dmg is pretty weak, even high ilvl
chilly brook
Yea
modern brook
it hits for about 3.8k~ish per attack
chilly brook
That’s why I was wondering if they’ve buffed it
modern brook
My sims (for arms) with it have been lack luster
Vial + tendril sim ~ .2 higher than the rezan eye w/ vial
chilly brook
Probably down to the vast difference in ilvl
modern brook
yeah st patchwork
uneven mason
lol #protection
modern brook
lol sorry i was just corraborating it being mediocre
chilly brook
I mean I think he’s using his sim in arms for measuring the value of trinkets for prot
uneven mason
the butcher block is a sizeable chunk of armor on use
modern brook
the vial?
modern brook
I have it macro'd to avatar rn
uneven mason
butcher block is just a str stat stick
chilly brook
It’s also a nice DPS boost
uneven mason
don't use it for DPS
chilly brook
xD
uneven mason
if ou're tanking serious stuff 😛
if you're doing M+ only than yeah
macro that fucker in
chilly brook
I mean I don’t really need extra survivability
steel mauve
Those sweet parses though!
oblique garnet
Its nice for parry
digital arrow
WHATCHU mean griff? whats up with the new guild?
chilly brook
A guild that I reached out to before but didn’t have a slot for a tank recently had one open up
digital arrow
oh! very nice
digital arrow
did u show em the video
chilly brook
Possibly won’t be trialed until 8.1 tho 😢
digital arrow
its a good time to look for a guild right now when players are leaving because they dont like bfa
chilly brook
That one guy was like “it might be a little late to catch you up from 2/8 to 6/8 though this tier” and I’m sitting here like “I don’t think you understand how ez it is to adjust as a tank”
digital arrow
secure a spot for 8.1
modern brook
left side is Sense's shield as per raiderio, right side is mine.😖
armor/str/stam/haste/mast/crit/verse
digital arrow
lol
modern brook
fuck i probably shoulda had units for those numbers sorry
chilly brook
Yea no clue what the numbers mean
digital arrow
dont worry bullfango
chilly brook
But yea I’m probably going to do my best to convince them to just give me a shot this tier if this works out
dusk locust
if they aren't trialing you for 2 months that can't be all that open of a spot
chilly brook
Cuz like let’s be honest, Zek is the same. Vectis seems the same. Fetid seems the same. Zul is different obviously but not different enough that it takes a huge amount of thinking to adjust
@dusk locust my assumption is rn they have someone who can tank tanking but doesn’t want to or is on their way out, and I spoke to just an officer I wouldn’t take everything that he said as gospel, the GM could obviously have a different opinion for example
astral crystal
griff
chilly brook
Yes
chilly brook
Lol
dusk locust
gotcha i can see that
astral crystal
their*
chilly brook
I’ll keep that in mind next time I don’t want to get anywhere @astral crystal 😜
astral crystal
so im thinking IP on a 1 sec CD isn't that terrible
chilly brook
I mean am I wrong though? The immediate three after mother are fairly same as heroic
astral crystal
since we dont really have the rage gen necessary to sustain a .5s spam
chilly brook
For tanks that is
astral crystal
fetid might be the most obnoxious one, but generally it's all the same yeah
chilly brook
The major difference is down to damage profile
And Zul is just “how do I not accidentally kill crawgs”
oblique garnet
Zekvoz really hurts if you take 3 shatters
dusk locust
taloc is same-ish, depends on how you do enlarged heart. mother's whatever. zek you just have to know when you're killing what add and when you're waiting. vectis we changed how we taunt swap and i bring the boss out right before transition. fetid just hits like a truck.
modern brook
as long as IP is off gcd, it being on a 1s cd never made a difference I didnt get the shit storm it caused
dusk locust
zul's bleed is pretty hard hitting so probably you'd coordinate with paladins to drop it early
astral crystal
there's a good chance you wont survive it without some sort of immunit or gs
immunity
and mythrax also does zero damage, the only dangerous moments are when people are being broken out, usually when there's a double orb
dusk locust
diff positioning on m mythrax anyway but probably wouldn't take a ton of time to learn (i haven't been that far yet)
chilly brook
@oblique garnet that just reminds me of a time we were wiping Zek on purpose cuz everyone was dead so I took a full combo everyone else was dead, and we had like 5 of the faceless ones up and stayed alive for another 20 seconds
Without heals
xD
dusk locust
raiders like you trigger me 😛
astral crystal
m mythrax positioning is basically 1. keep him in the middle, 2. sit all your melee
except for a dk for grips
chilly brook
@dusk locust whaddya mean?
dusk locust
i'll call for a wipe and it takes 30-40 seconds to wipe b/c dps is trying to look good on meters, tanks are trying to show everyone how long they can stay alive, and a healer is trying to be last dead so he can meld
thankfully i have no hunters
lol
chilly brook
Lol
I mean like
It’s not like they didn’t try to kill me
With all the extra crap we had up
oblique garnet
Just turn your back to boss
chilly brook
Nah fam
dusk locust
^
oblique garnet
Well yeah i took the 3 shatters by accident tho
dusk locust
yeah well i recommend staying on your RL's good side
sick sentinel
🤷
dusk locust
lol
oblique garnet
Bootyclap too stronk
chilly brook
It’s a joke
It was refreshing to do some M+ last week
This week looks like fun cuz ez self heals
It’s like fighting the last boss in underrot but it’s like that the whole dungeon
chilly brook
Lol
uneven mason
Shrine is cancer on explosive
chilly brook
This last weeks m+ chest was aids
chilly brook
385 bracers->390 bracers 😑
Literally the smallest stat boost possible
Isn’t shrine just cancer period?
uneven mason
380 legs - wearing haste mast 395s
autumn haven
I got a wep and shield last night
oblique garnet
I have 2x 385 shoulders but no dc
dusk locust
i'm still rocking the 340 DC shoulders but i'm close to the 355s from pvp
chilly brook
No luck from emissary’s?
dusk locust
not yet
chilly brook
Oof
dusk locust
i have the mother helm though which is nice
chilly brook
Would definitely be nice
oblique garnet
Got it on my 2nd mother kill 8)
dusk locust
i have most everything i need from the first 5 bosses which is good b/c we're gonna start extending
spending a bunch of time on my rogue b/c zul lol
chilly brook
I never got anything I wanted
uneven mason
I Have yet to see a helm offa mother on any difficulty
uneven mason
I Have 2 maces offa Taloc tho
and pants
and bracers
and rings offa mother
and a belt
no helm
RIP
oblique garnet
Legit took me 2 months to get a piece with dc
chilly brook
Still no Mythic mace from taloc 😑
proper pecan
Ya doin smfn wrong bois, i got head shld chst all385 all×2
oblique garnet
99 on everything but ghuun :/
chilly brook
Orange in everything on my end for heroic except for mythrax and G’huun
Orange taloc
Blue mother for Mythic
Cuz being add boi sucks
chilly brook
Oofies
Tank life is hard sometimes
Not being able to parse
I mean the nerve on some of these raid leaders
🙃
chilly brook
The funny thing was I was MT for literally everything else
oblique garnet
Whats the other tank?
chilly brook
Brewmaster
Well actually I lied
I elected to take thrash
Just to laugh at the 30k hits after crit blocking
uneven mason
I'm still holding on to my main tank spot
thankfully the raidleader is starting to realize that recruiting a BrM isn't going to magically make the DPS stop standing in stupid
chilly brook
I did a +5 underrot on an alt tank last night and did all the normal skips
dusk locust
after the first 5-10 pulls on a new boss the tank generally stops being the reason for wipes
chilly brook
And people were flipping out
ember arrow
@dusk locust thats why raidtanking is zzzzz
chilly brook
Blaming me for the wipes because people couldn’t control their own characters
dusk locust
raid leading keeps me interested but if it wasn't RL i don't think i could do it long term
ember arrow
@chilly brook leave group
chilly brook
@dusk locust yep hence why I was thinking “meh I doubt it’d be hard to catch me up from 2/8 to 6/8 as a tank”
uneven mason
^^
sand egret
literally 0 reason you had to move other than you got antsy
uneven mason
DH who decides to run momentum
sand egret
i was just typing that haha
sand egret
bruh, let's not take one of the higher "mechanically" skill capped specs into a tiny ass dungeon
uneven mason
Demonology Warlocks
ember arrow
Wait
chilly brook
I actually ran into a DH last night while leveling that didn’t interrupt once during dungeons
The one class that actually rewards you for interrupting
And you’re not doing it
🤦🏻♂️
sand egret
if you build it, they will stupid
ember arrow
Does it matter what ppl do during leveling?
sand egret
unfortunately, nope
ember arrow
Hence its not a great way to compare
chilly brook
I mean when you get feared a few times yes
sand egret
gets on soapbox Back when leveling was harder you felt the NEED to interrupt!
chilly brook
Gib classic plox
sand egret
it's an interesting point though
uneven mason
bring back our DPS boost from interrupting
chilly brook
^
sand egret
i think every interupt should be rewarded
ember arrow
Rewarding for good play? @uneven mason
chilly brook
It’d be nice if every class had an interrupt incentive
ember arrow
That means bad ppl wont get rewarded
uneven mason
LOL NOT IN A BLIZZARD GAME
ember arrow
Cant have that
chilly brook
Tfw bad people continue to be bad cuz they can’t be bothered to play optimally anyways
oblique garnet
If you do the timewalking dungeons this week you can tell when people arent interrupting
uneven mason
tanking TWing on a BDK makes me wonder why people love that spec so much
chilly brook
Lol
sand egret
Protean Spawns in Arcatraz
uneven mason
tanking them on my warrior makes me feel like a fucking tank
sand egret
can fuck off
uneven mason
tanking on the BDK Makes me feel like a wet cardboard box
sand egret
1100 armor shred
oblique garnet
Shattered halls was also pain
uneven mason
yeah SH killed me like 11 times on the BDK
sand egret
I have 1175 in bear with 2x stacks of IF
frosty wedge
lol
sand egret
those things are EVERYWHERE
uneven mason
the warrior at least has AE stuns
chilly brook
Blood in TWing is for some reason stupidly worse than max level
uneven mason
mhmm
oblique garnet
5 second stuns on trash mobs with mobs that keep on casting even after interrupting once
uneven mason
I think thats it
Like BDK has nothing todo once ou strip its armor and reduce healing (SH)
sand egret
pray you got a decurse haha
uneven mason
warrior can be like 🖕 BLOCK MOTHERFUCKER
oblique garnet
Never played an alliance
sand egret
all those immolate debuffs
oblique garnet
And never will
sand egret
👌
chilly brook
I want my zandalari
sand egret
but yeah, some of the armor scaling is hilarious
ember arrow
@uneven mason what? "Bdk is bad if u remove their ability" pty much what u say
Warr is bad if sb is tuned badly
Xd
chilly brook
Can someone explain to me why the alliance already has their cool race from last years blizzcon and we’re still waiting?
oblique garnet
Bladesong auchenai legit broke my shield so i had to switch to my artifact weapon mid dungeon because nobody had repairs
sand egret
hahah yeaaaa
sand egret
had to have you say it
uneven mason
lol
Yeah Levko that is what I said
all in all TBC timewalking is nostalgia for me
cause that shit isn't faceroll at all
chilly brook
If it wasn’t for the fact that Alliance has been emaciated by the racial scene I’d faction swap for dark iron in a heartbeat
uneven mason
much closer to how heroics were back in the day.
frosty wedge
I levelled my DH through timewalking last night
uneven mason
When your character belongs on a Swedish metal band album cover.
frosty wedge
shit trucks
ember arrow
=bad experience
frosty wedge
but I now have all 6 tanks at 120
chilly brook
BrM is the las one for me
uneven mason
^^
frosty wedge
yeah I was 114 yesterday
uneven mason
told my RL that they'd get me to swap to BRM when the guild bank supplied me iwth the 600k to buy the 4 tokens for the boost.
frosty wedge
I got the trinket off Lion's roar this morning, lol
chilly brook
I mean be a smart boi
Just make your BrM a panda
Leave him logged out in a rest area for a few months
Ez leveling
chilly brook
Does it?
oblique garnet
yes
lusty grotto
sand egret
Jani?!
I was pretty jazzed about the Zandalari but then I couldn't get over how small their heads are
then we got our thicc bois coming in hot with that sick looking racial....
buoyant plover
Guys, do you sim ur prot warriors? are you even supposed to sim tank??
neon tangle
The time walking is pretty wacky right now
sand egret
YEP
neon tangle
So many incaps, stuns, fears
sand egret
the armor shred
neon tangle
Disarms
neon tangle
Cause of all the AOE we gained since BC
neon tangle
I felt horrible, I got in an arc after the first boss
Cause they kicked the tank for being bad
sand egret
oh poor guy
that armor shred turns every tank into a clothie
well actually less than a clothie
you're actually a high hp totem with defensive cooldowns
at least we can block....
on my bear I legit just went back into caster form and started healing myself
neon tangle
Not a good fight for...... any other tank?
sand egret
tanks just get recked hard this time around since AM was shifted to Armor
and flat armor shred completely negates it. Block at least has its own mitigation independent of it
uneven mason
@buoyant plover 1x DC trait, ilvl > haste > vers >= mast > crit
our stat weights are in general inconsequential outside of trinkets and rings
and even then
item level carries a lot of weight
neon tangle
Also crit isn’t bad for m+
uneven mason
crit isn't bad in general
buoyant plover
Super, very clear; thanks!
uneven mason
its not bad, its just random
sand egret
^
neon tangle
In m+ with the large number of little attack’s it approaches flat Damage reduction
uneven mason
🛡 👦
digital arrow
hek
chilly brook
All them parrys lolololll @uneven mason
astral crystal
there's some hardass spike mitigation moments on fetid
with ip and sblock up i've gotten as little as 5k thrash
i cri everityme
modern brook
Terrible thrash is legit just a collandar
where good prot wars are the spaghetti
and everything else is the water
:^)
spice lava
rezan's eye any good?
sick sentinel
One of the best
sick sentinel
Only thing that out classes it is the on use trinket if u get it to 370
spice lava
i just got a 375 eye from an m+
sick sentinel
Ayyye, 375 rezan club has a new member. Also never take it off
sand egret
oof yeah hold on to that shit
chilly brook
Isn’t Rezan’s good for fury as well? Last I simmed my fury set haste was the best secondary @spice lava
spice lava
its not as good as fathoms and 375 syringe
chilly brook
Interesting
frosty wedge
I'm still baffled that fathoms still sims that well
sand egret
could you not fathom the possibility of it still simming well?
chilly brook
Lul
sand egret
hek hek hek
ancient reef
ok my only dc piece is 340 but i got a 370 piece for same slot, is it worth it
frosty wedge
yep - need 1xDC
chilly brook
Always 1 piece of DC regardless of ilvl until 8.1 @ancient reef
frosty wedge
look at the fact that Boost, who's . like , ilvl 385 is using a 345 chest piece
that luck is awful
neon tangle
I just want you guys to know that the BDK channel complains constantly about having zero good azerite traits
chilly brook
I’m gonna be so sad when I can’t get 70% plus uptime on DC
sand egret
lol
chilly brook
😢
sand egret
i'm not gonna miss it
little rain
Has everyone not had access to the 370 Volduun emissary chest by now? I'm pretty sure unless you're a newly created char you should have a 370 Dunecrawler Chestplate by now.
sand egret
not I
chilly brook
@neon tangle what a hard life they must have
@little rain iirc it’s the shoulders not the chest?
sand egret
i'm assuming there's an alliance version
chilly brook
Either way you’re not guaranteed the right piece
neon tangle
To be fair, most of the time you take the generic traits as blood
frosty wedge
@little rain doesn't mean they got a chest - coulda been the other 2 slots
sand egret
and the piece is random too
neon tangle
it's kinda lame
BUT, I think it's a solid statement about BDK that so many of them run pure-dps traits
frosty wedge
I got lucky on my warr and got a 370 DC headpiece from my weekly week 1
chilly brook
Poor poor blood DK
little rain
Well I know we've had that emmisary 3x now, so you''d have to have pretty trash luck :/
chilly brook
I mean
It’s not outside of the realm of possibility you get 2 of the same item and then the third is the other one without DC
sand egret
well, I mean I do have not the best luck
I've hit that one every time and i got some sweet sweet CR gear
chilly brook
Assuming you have even chance to get any of them
little rain
Rezan's Bladeguard is good as well, from the main hub emmisary
chilly brook
You still have less chance of getting the one you want
sand egret
well whatever the alliance equal would be
ive got a 360 chest with DC now so I'm not in the dregs, I just need more emissary quests to pop to roll the dice
sand egret
hopefully an emissary 😃
neon tangle
You've got a 66% chance to not get that item on each roll, so .66^3 = .287496
28.7% chance to have not gotten the item, not even that far in to "bad" luck
chilly brook
^
neon tangle
if it happened 3 more times 8% of the population would still not have gotten one
RNG feels good sometimes tho, got a 390 taloc mace last night
wooooooo
sand egret
just got to equate this stat to shark attacks
am I more likely to get attacked by a shark or get that DC piece?
chilly brook
I think a better relation would be are you more likely to get that DC piece or into a pug +10
dusk locust
on alliance the DC piece
uneven mason
This week 🤢
sand egret
weird enough, i'm actually looking forward to this week
round vortex
I just saw the latest build changes IP Cooldown from 0.5s to 1.0s 😫 still off GCD just tho. Is this new or did I miss the discussion.
sand egret
new, missed the discussion, not really a big deal/at all
sand egret
it being off the GCD is not new, .5 > 1 is
round vortex
Yeah for sure. I knew the GCD not new I was talking about the CD
But probably to stop people accidentally dumping too much rage unintentionally
round vortex
Now that it’s always a static amount not scaled with rage like legion
sand egret
yeah, so not really "bad" as it may look on paper.
round vortex
Yup. And double pushing IP without taking a hit wastes rage anyway so if anything it’s a “buff” to make the spec have less opportunity to mess up lol
Ie: meaningless if you play properly, helps if u are still getting used to prot lol
dusk locust
i can definitely see myself double IP-ing once in a while on .5, i'll take it 😛
modern brook
will IP stack higher than 1.3x in 8.1?
astral crystal
nope
uneven mason
@round vortex its a "Nerf" to AM
because if you did things right you could take ~20 seconds off your major CDs within 2 GCDs
frosty wedge
IP and a prayer
livid tendon
pogu
primal crypt
Parry everything including the bleed with 
uneven mason
learn to love your priest
frosty wedge
legit that bleed is awful and no tanks handle it well
livid tendon
we dont have priest cus of splits PepePains
primal crypt
yikes
frosty wedge
if anything it may be easier to take 5 stacks, wall and leap off the edge
save the healers some mana and don't drop blood on the floor, lol
livid tendon
does shield block reduce dot dmg
frosty wedge
nope
steel mauve
We are overstocked with priests
We have a 6 healer core, 4 of them priests
Bubble it off or just die and use a bres help, when taking a lot of stacks at first to help later in the fight
round vortex
@uneven mason Is argue not given how slow rage pools. Surely it won’t make any difference since u can spend the range anyway.
steel mauve
You could dump it that quickly, but you wouldnt be able to gain it quickly enough to notice a 1 sec cd being placed on it while still off gcd
We dont have end of legion rage gain, so the 1 sec cd wont be bad
modern brook
I was really mad, and then i put my shield up - Prot warriors, on the concept of rage and how to manage it
uneven mason
@round vortex It was basically enabling us to get around the nerf to DC, I was able to maintain 71% uptime on DS during a mother test even with DC losing half of its effect. but you are right.
when we spend the rage didn't matter much, unless its immediately after we pop CDs to maximize its effect
PITA to manage that level of focus on pooling/dumping though (not fun)
really excited for 8.1
gonna feel like astroglide slipnslide
compared to now
being able to Demo shout and IP at once is a IRL Rage nerf for me.
modern brook
Given the choice between BloodSport + Azerite Veins and BfI+Lifespeed
We take av every time right?
uneven mason
stepped into the BDK discord and all I see is them shit talking paladins for days
#roleplaying - they're doin it rite
ember arrow
yea
astral crystal
av yes @modern brook
modern brook
Does that mean pallys are shit talking warriors?
astral crystal
pallies are being madlads all day
open bluff
no monks shittalk warriors
modern brook
Monks dont even know how to tank though
open bluff
(to be fair monks also shittalk themselves)
sand egret
and bears just shit talk themselves
uneven mason
@ember arrow I mean, we shit talk BDK because they're the favorite child, they shit talk paladins cause well, they don't have anything else to worry about.
Basically
open bluff
there's an unspoken rule in the monk discord: colored names aren't allowed to play brm
sand egret
it's real sad in druid land
uneven mason
Bears are all about self depreciation
modern brook
Bear salt is a real thing
open bluff
because by the time you've earned a color on the monk discord, you've probably been playing brm for so long you can't stand it anymore 
sand egret
haha yesss
uneven mason
TFW your tanking class is so easy you cna give a play by play of your offtank dying
in text
sand egret
playing a bear feels like playing a warrior without the shield block and without avatar
uneven mason
Playing a bear feels like playing a warrior without mitigation
sand egret
like actually the only reason
uneven mason
sole reason I play bear is to dance
modern brook
honestly i dont play my druid cause I made it a tauren
modern brook
and looking at him on the char select screen makes me ill
sand egret
legit convo with a friend: "why did you level your bear and not your DH"
"Bitch have you SEEN this skin?!"
get out Levko
uneven mason
I agree with Levko
wind turret
Werebear has like 3 animation it blows
sand egret
there's a 4th
modern brook
Yall are missing the fact
uneven mason
"dying"
modern brook
that he's got popeye arms
sand egret
the hidden Pulverize animation
that you could bug in Legion
that was AWESOME
and why the hell isn't that an animation
chrome lance
What a dick. Well done.
uneven mason
Warrior can't self sustain
ember arrow
explain this atheists
modern brook
katellia needs to step up tbh
modern brook
I was more commenting on the tanks should need their healers aspect of dk
ember arrow
dk does
modern brook
k
supple path
Friend was doing a last-minute +10 motherlode on Monday, they had a bear tank. Were wiping to last boss. Bear blamed the healer, raged out. A dps DH went out, respecced tank, then they 4 manned it.
Seemed like standard bear meta.
ember arrow
i mean
without context
also a +10 isnt exactly content where you need specific tanks
supple path
Bears are banned by federal statute by participating in 11s or higher.
Wouldn't surprise me if, given how good moonkins are in m+, you have a serious problem where only bads play bears.
ember arrow
@modern brook dk cant self sustain in relevant content, they take most dmg out of all tanks, but you knew that ofc
i havent logged in in 2 months now, so idk if anythign changed
xd
in m+
but my guild is doing +16s and stuff
sand egret
I didn't realize you can respec by leaving the dungeon
ember arrow
so i guess a +10 isnt exactly top content
sand egret
good to know
supple path
Yeah, handy for that sort of rageout.
uneven mason
DKs require a lot of external healing, however there are situations that their very unique toolkit shines
Fetid Thrash for example
sand egret
why aren't you healing me through Gatling Gun?!
uneven mason
yeah
uneven mason
Well I mean, Thrash tanking on a warrior is also sexy time
ember arrow
the 10k hits?
sand egret
NSFW
modern brook
@ember arrow Ijust had no interest in having a real conversation re: dk's self sustain over a joke
uneven mason
I mean, we can meme all we want but BDK outside of like, Bone storming on big dick trash pulls needs healing
supple path
The thing that really gets me about BDK self-healing is the really low damage situations, actually.
ember arrow
53 mil DS
uneven mason
ahh memories
supple path
Where I slowly die as a prot warrior but a BDK can self-sustain indefinitely.
ember arrow
they cant self sustain
outer dew
for orb duty
uneven mason
@supple path DK can't self sustain in low damage situation
supple path
They have a baseline-level of self-healing that exceeds certain low numbers.
uneven mason
because your DS healing is based on damage intake
supple path
I'm talking stuff like tol dagor, your healer dies to the fire boss
uneven mason
but yeah I mean if its something that isn't breaking IP every cast - chances are you need to pickup like 1 Azerite veins trait
supple path
And then it's "how long can you live without heals as a tank vs a boss that barely does damage"
ember arrow
adn bunch of other stuff
uneven mason
and "self sustain"
daring patrol
when the hell did they change Brother Ironhull in shrine to stand still when he's doing his frontal? holy shit thats so much easier now
uneven mason
I mean, I can survive 25 seconds on Mythic mother with no external healing as a warrior
same with the BDK
I'd have lived longer
but the flames came in
uneven mason
3x Scales buffed IP HNGGGG
ember arrow
more IP than my hp
supple path
Being able to stack IP while OTing is a mechanic I will miss forevers.
lavish oracle
@Rhokzor#7346 Well it never did that much damage to begin with
uneven mason
The first time I ate a 2nd foebreaker I wish I had gotten a SS of that
uneven mason
lolol
daring patrol
@lavish oracle I know it didn't, but it's so much easier to maneuver around tornados now without having to take your group into account for cleave
lavish oracle
Thats fair
uneven mason
The real boss in shrine is now explosive orbs being spawned by the pools on the last boss
Oh - ones across the room YEAH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE!
100 deaths
daring patrol
yeah that wasn't fun
ember arrow
oh
uneven mason
every time, Explosive orbs 400 yards away
ember arrow
do explosive still spawn explosives
?
i loved that feature in legion
pull 2 adds
get literally
uneven mason
last time I was in there his "objects" the void zones were spawning them
ember arrow
so u still must switch
astral crystal
lmao fucking pally discord
uneven mason
they going salty again?
deft swift
modern brook
yeah ret went bad
lavish oracle
Is prot pal actually any better at M+ than us? They're better represented in high keys but they're also just more popular in general
ember arrow
hpal is a healer
modern brook
I dont think theres a Prot Pally in top 25 tanks* for io score
prot warrior has at least sense
take that as you will
mellow bridge
How much score do you need for top 25 tanks world 🤔
ember arrow
dont forget
top players
its not just
durr i bring dk
there are more things to it
modern brook
2,167.2 @mellow bridge
the metric of my previous statement was on like just tichondrius (oops)
lavish oracle
@ember arrow I'm not sure I understand your point
astral crystal
i love the ret channel
lavish oracle
Well presumably if there were more strats that accomodated prot pally you'd see their popularity scale better into high keys
But it mostly just seems to scale 1:1 with their popularity overall
maybe a little worse, actually
A lot worse
ember arrow
i tried few m+ on pally
no grip and slow
yikes
they are slow and cant make mobs go to them fast
uneven mason
I mean, Prot paladin has Avenger shield interrupts and that's about it
ember arrow
this is just purely taste
uneven mason
they're not as beefy as warriors, lacking in mobility, they ahve utility (but Hpal brings almost same kit)
lavish oracle
It just seems like any time I see someone rank M+ tanks it's like BDK > VDH >=BRM >= Prot Pally >>>> Us >>> Bears
uneven mason
not bad by any stretch
lavish oracle
And it doesn't really seem to hold true
uneven mason
but none of the other tanks comes near to BDK except for mebbie VDH
uneven mason
VDH has mobility, kiting, and utility to negate mobs mechanics
modern brook
too bad its paper 😦
uneven mason
SOME of that has to do with they're all Blood Elves
modern brook
They also have consume magic; which I'm fairly certain is unique among tanks
lavish oracle
A purge would definitely be nice for Waycrest this week
modern brook
does purge get rid of enrage or is it just soothe's
lavish oracle
Just soothe
primal crypt
can they??
sand egret
🤔
sand egret
that seems....not right...haha
lavish oracle
It probably isn't but I'm not complaining 😄
sand egret
mean while ele shaman's CL doesnt work
lavish oracle
Shhh...don't tell Blizzard
sand egret
I think they said they're looking at certain abilities in respect to hitting explosive orbs
lavish oracle
As in they're going to add the ability to cleave them to certain abilities or remove it?
sand egret
the context was improving CL, so it sounds like they're being more generous
lavish oracle
Do I dare to dream...Thunder Clap...?
sand egret
doubt it
my guess it's abilities that require a target initially to activate
vs ones you can just hit and they do aoe, like TCLap.
Now, I'm unsure if what they intend is to make the CL chains be able to hit orbs or if currently CL can't target orbs altogether (don't have an ele to confirm)
I think the same shit happens with Avenger's Shield fwiw
uneven mason
Fury can cleave orbs, or could..
few weeks back
I think I have a fun game for my DPS this week in M+
If I manage to kill more orbs than them as Prot
I'm going to give them hugs while we work on Mythic Fetid this week
"Kill orbs or get repair bill"
Wait...they're DPS...
"Kill orbs or I'll fuck your parse"
astral crystal
also
re: prot pally in m+
the kite ridic
that conc talent is op for perma kiting
i guess you dont really need to early on
but still
restive zodiac
Anyone got a macro for targeting orbs?
frosty wedge
I am fairly certain you can't /tar explosive
they're treated like totems specifically so you can't /tar them
uneven mason
yup
restive zodiac
Lame. Thanks for the info.
frosty wedge
yeah, people were just macroing /tar explosive /cast SPELLNAME
frosty wedge
lol
frosty wedge
bebst you can really do is a WA to show you when they're up
lavish oracle
You could do it as guardian too, it was great
uneven mason
whats guardian?
oblique garnet
ayy 99 on ghuun
sand egret
I'm using this week to run lower keys on my alt with my coworkers
sand egret
lower keys mean I don't have to deal with quaking and teeming + fort will actually allow me to emphasize nasty trash mobs to them
sand egret
im on US and totally wrong
sand egret
I guess my experience with explosive has always been me fucking up so it doesn't bother me as much
the teeming + fort part is the annoying one with some of those packs
sand egret
ya very true
soft kindle
@uneven mason fury fucks orbs, just to pop in
outer dew
You're just forever behind
I mean
Protection fucks orbs with 2x BFI
In extended fights you just one shot orbs
sand egret
if you hit a Devastate early you can get the deepwounds ticks to finish it off 😃
sand egret
not fun, but it'll be hilarious getting one of my dps to hit the orbs haha. he's not very good at multitasking
you can follow with another dev, just getting the dw up early gives it enough time to get a tick off
soft kindle
ww-RB with IR talented one shots them, and you cleave off them still
and fury's already good on fort weeks because of lower target extended cleave 😛
sand egret
now that is some pro-advice! gotta start keeping an eye out for Fury this week
sick sentinel
this week is awful
sick sentinel
so I have 2 azerite chests, both with BfI, both with lifespeed but one has vamp speed and other one has IV
unquestionably, I chose IV
the thing is, do I get vamp speed for this week and do explosives trigger it
open bluff
^
just tab, devastate, tab off and SS something to do some real damage, get VS, win
(the potential flaw is assuming your DPS will actually kill the orb, mind you)
rain marsh
hello every1 I m new for this expension as prot warrior. looking or best azerite traits ''first trait'' is bloodsport is good to have multiple?
rain marsh
I really need a DC than. I dont have any atm
outer dew
370 DC is available atm
You just need to pvp
355 shoulders with DC + 370 upgrade token is the conq rewards
rain marsh
hmm gonna do pvp which cap is that
rain marsh
at least I know where to get
worthy dagger
oh im still at the first pvp reward lmao
oblique garnet
its the 5th one i think
sick sentinel
@rain marsh DC is so good that even a 340 piece with DC should be better than a 385 one, you just want 1 of them though
oblique garnet
or 4th
sick sentinel
and it is the 4rth cap
sick sentinel
it is still going to be worth a lot though
and with raid gear having DC on it, we will not have a problem having it
oblique garnet
oh damn i got 91% uptime on DS on our mother kill
outer dew
But not to the point where you'll give 40 ilvls like we so ATM
rain marsh
ty for information @sick sentinel
oblique garnet
70% uptime on ds on mother mythic O.o
lavish oracle
Do we know what the second traits will be for Uldir azerite after the update?
(nevermind, I'm just now discovering Wowheads PTR version)
oblique garnet
Oh damn im in top 100 prot warrior rankings on every encounter but ghuun nm
cinder nova
Anything major change for tanks between H and M on Mythrax?
astral crystal
make sure to keep your stacks low
your dps can comfortably chill at 20 or so stacks most of the time
dps and healers*
so they have no excuse to run around ganking orbs
pliant sage
Probably not the best place to ask but do we know if the changes to prot in 8.1 are finalized in notes?
cinder nova
Until they put out 8.1 patchnotes nothing is final
But it's a safe bet for now.
They could always pull a curveball, but they really haven't done anything unexpected in regards to class balance of lately.
astral crystal
the only huge damage comes from removing people from orbs
you never want to have two go off at the same time
mythrax melees kind abig but slow
also try to have ip, demo and sr up for essence shear
i also pretty much had our resto druid bark me on cd
oblique garnet
@outer dew Did you do your WM +14 since you said you wouldnt be pushing?
oblique garnet
Rogue dh and a mage for dps
Well yeah atal on fortified and teeming is kinda annoying
oblique garnet
I kinda want to push this week
Got into groove after last week where i was finally having fun doing m+
oblique garnet
I want to level a hunter but probably in 8.1 not before
outer dew
all my toons at least 375+
cba to do multiple toons
because i dump a lot of time into alts
oblique garnet
I mean they could be higher if i didnt have to pug on them to get gear
Probably gonna farm 370 gear on all of them when the new warfront comes
sacred roost
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