385 helmet vs 370 uldir piece
#protection
lavish oracle
So wait, will pallies be able to BoP-purge Necrotic in 8.1?
Since it's being changed to a physical debuff instead of a magical one?
lavish oracle
Time to bring holy pallies to every dungeon on necrotic
rough egret
MW can ignore necrotic
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'm not criticizing the change, I am all for giving people more tools to deal with necrotic
I know a lot of holy pallies so it's a buff to my groups most of the time ๐
sand egret
yeah, no doubt. It's a nice shift to take the counter away from the tanks (namely AMS/SpellWarding) and shifting it towards to the healer.
granted Prot still has BoP, but it's a bit more accessible in that regard imho.
brave vine
anything that knocks blood down a peg or two is a-ok in my book
sand egret
yeah, taking one tool of their massive plate and put it back on the buffet
brave vine
dilly dilly
has anyone tried prot on the ptr among you? i dont have teh disk space for it atm
sand egret
not personally, but I've heard great things
brave vine
my ideal setup is tanking m+ and dpsing raids, so i felt short-changed this season
sand egret
how so?
brave vine
prot was so good and so fun before m+ came out. i tore them m0s UP
brave vine
the room for error in higher keys was just a bit too narrow for me.
sand egret
understandable
lavish oracle
I don't think it'll improve us at the really high end of M+ anyways, ranged physical attacks aside. Our problem was never really how much damage we could take
brave vine
plus most healers were used to fotm self-sustainers and would be like "why did the tank die? i only didnt heal him for 10s
lavish oracle
We just have 0 utility beyond our damage output
sand egret
yeah the utility thing is a different animal
however, the massive caveat is that this really starts to apply at the highest end
lavish oracle
It will definitely help as far as room for error goes, since you'll have a shorter time between shield block charges
And you can IP on demand
brave vine
a little tankiness and extra azerite traits (tempted to target callous reprisal)
sand egret
not everyone is doing +18s and shit haha
brave vine
and yeah, ip as a dump when i'm avatar/tcing
sand egret
should feel better, which could improve overall play tbh
brave vine
i just want 20s where i'm an unkillable god-man pulling 30k dps every 2 mins
sand egret
less stress, less "fighting" your character, etc.
brave vine
not too much to ask for
sand egret
haha well I think that's on everyone's "Wishlist" haha
lavish oracle
Pfft, every minute if you're spending rage consistently with AM
sand egret
1.5m
merry cave
Gonna be a fun week for keys when idiot dps dont kill orbs and then whinge when the prot war isnt 1 shotting them on a 13 fortified -_-
brave vine
devastate is a misnomer
sand egret
Pro-trick: Pick dps that benefit from kills
crystal night
I love getting victory rush off thoae
Those
The best is when you chain victory rush like 7 explosives at a time
lavish oracle
Petitioning Blizzard to change Devestate's name to "tickle" in the 8.1 PTR
sand egret
for a filler spell, sure has an interesting name
lavish oracle
Devestator is getting changed to "Tickle monster"
sand egret
like if Scorch and Pyroblast swapped names
lavish oracle
I mean it was more appropriate when it applied stacks of sunder armor
in ancient days of yore
sand egret
it applies that sweet sweet deep wounds
modern brook
390 crit mast mace from box
lavish oracle
True
modern brook
340 crit/haste
stark wraith
Oof
sand egret
i'm so, so sorry
stark wraith
Gotta grind them m+ and get a 70 shield asap
sand egret
I just passed off one to a shaman for offspec last night
should have a vendor in town I can sell it to that donates it to a random Prot Warrior.
lavish oracle
I have like 4 370+ shields sitting in my bags at the moment
sand egret
I got a 380 from my cache three weeks ago, still singing my praises
ok, time to go home and see my 395 rezan's!
modern brook
RE: conversation from earlier stats vs Ilvl
lavish oracle
Honestly, if you have shield wielding friends, or potentially shield wielding friends that you run with often, ask them to consider switching their loot spec
lavish oracle
Yep yep, I switch to Fury spec every time I run Taloc so I can hand off the hammer to my Arms friend
open bluff
elememeal 
junior ivy
dunno, i logged off
sick sentinel
Why u do dis
junior ivy
cause i find it really hard to care about wow lately
vocal nimbus
Effects of a dull xpac
merry cave
I bought fallout after doing 1 run today, really not fun atm lol
sick sentinel
It's Bethesda, expecting good from them at this point is a dream
Also play metro
Better in everyway
junior ivy
i want to play rdr2 but i dont own a console ๐ฆ
merry cave
I only bought it because it was 50% off and my friends were getting it lol
sick sentinel
Don't play rockstar games
If u want to play trash go to early access, at least u can fill ur trash quota for cheaper there
long phoenix
any tips for M fetid?
modern brook
terrible thrash hurts :^)
long phoenix
pretty sure i'm going to be MT if that helps
sick sentinel
Depends on what ur role in the fight is
lavish oracle
Oh, I thought you were gonna mention Rockstar's awful labor practices
lavish oracle
I mean, as much as I loved Oblivion and Morrowind, those games were absolutely riddled with bugs
sick sentinel
I was really fortunate to never encounter a bug once during my first run through them
Or at least any noticeable ones
lavish oracle
Wow, that is like walking through a minefield unscathed, lol
neon tangle
I really wish blizz would fix the aggro bug on mother
sick sentinel
I've only noticed it in mythic, is it a thing on lower difficulty?
lavish oracle
Yeah, sadbox, I just don't even attack her as off-tank
neon tangle
On heroic too at least
I can literally not touch her the entire fight and have it happen
It blows my mind itโs stuck around this long
lavish oracle
I dunno, I remember the laser bug on Trilliax sticking around for a similar amount of time
ancient reef
where should i farm for a shield , what mythic
neon tangle
AD, mother lode
ancient reef
so my frist week tanking with teeming, it sucks
lavish oracle
Yeah, the AD one is almost BiS, I think the G'huun one wins out slightly
broken roost
AD, Motherlode, Tol Daggy, Underrot, Temple
drop shields - AD and motherlode relatively easierish and AD is good secondaries
but if you're like me and have a 340 still, anything will do
ancient reef
i do alot of waycrest and freehold for some reason so ill try and focus on those instead
yeah im only 356 but 340 shield
broken roost
I got a shield today - was 373 but with 340 shield
ancient reef
my pally which i dont play got a random 370 from warfront
worthy dagger
a 370 prot have no problem doing +m10s
ashen trellis
Ignore Pain Fight through the pain, ignoring 50% of damage taken, up to [(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)] total damage prevented.
Cooldown changed from 0.5 sec cooldown to 1 sec cooldown
rip the no gcd dream
ashen trellis
Going to need to test. They never said the specifically took it off the gcd last time
they*
they just lowered the CD to .5
wicked vault
but its now off gcd
cloud gorge
They said in the Q&A panel at blizzcon that ignore pain was specifically coming off the gcd
urban walrus
phew
worthy dagger
its not like you gonna generate 40 rage every second anyway
ashen trellis
Well if you want to cast a double IP now its going to make you wait 1 second lol thats still a fuck ton better then live
so i wont complain
plain vapor
sand egret
grats!
urban walrus
they exist?
sand egret
and yes, the cd to IP is to prevent double taps
urban walrus
consider it a noob buff? ๐ฎ
sand egret
no, it's off-the gcd protection
most off-the-gcd spells generally have a cooldown so they don't have this problem
verbal socket
Yes really
quiet sierra
We still need love to be picked in mythic plus
verbal socket
/golfclap
quiet sierra
In terms of overall utility
silk belfry
Am I wrong to think that the only things blizzard is going to do for Prot is take IP off GCD and make shield block work against ranged?
neon tangle
They also lowered the recharge of SB
silk belfry
True, but not by enough
ashen trellis
Just Tested the IP change. You CAN NOT feel any change at all unless you want to cast a back to back IP
neon tangle
I mean, I tested it and it felt better
ashen trellis
even then you are able to use other abilities while waiting
ember arrow
wut
neon tangle
It will be a minor bump to rps in m+
ember arrow
ip off gcd is literally better
more rage gen since no gcd is wasted due to casting ip
ashen trellis
it is off the gcd
sand egret
i think they're referring to .5 vs 1 sec
silk belfry
I agree it will be better, but I don't think the current changes are enough.
sand egret
and not on vs off gcd
verbal socket
Good
sand egret
aka what i was saying
verbal socket
Itโs just CD change not gcd change
sand egret
booo 385 az chest of craaaaap
chrome falcon
@verbal socket there is literally no universe where this change would actually kill you
so i don't think you can call it a nerf
with old IP that was 90% reduction, maybe
tbh i was just scared that i meant it was going back on gcd
monkaS
worthy dagger
when is 8.1 coming to live?
jade socket
dec 11th
worthy dagger
shit
uneven mason
The IP CD change is literally to avoid you shaving 12seconds off of your CDs within 1 GCD
heh
its a "nerf" but not to IP
sand egret
not a fan of tbc timewalking
uneven mason
its to nerf the effect it has on AM
sand egret
every mob and its mother has armor shred debuffs
sand egret
does not scale well
sand egret
it's way more rough than it needs to be haha
uneven mason
eh
ashen trellis
๐ค
uneven mason
all the time walking is tuned odd
sand egret
yeah, armor shred is particularly nasty
sand egret
don't forget that for at least it's duration, it compounds with IP so that shield value gets better returns
uneven mason
Yeah
For specific mechanics the bandage absorb isn't horrible
Mythic Zek comes to mind
sand egret
yeah, esp if you wanna time it for bleeds too
uneven mason
Zul either
running that bleed out
is butt puckering
issue is the bandages wouldn't be up more than once during Phase 2
(if phase 2 is lasting more than 90s you got issues)
sand egret
Shadow of Zul in KR also comes to mind
sand egret
ive never succesfully done it
well he's a caster, so he doesn't start walking until you break his LoS
and his range is pretty damn far
sand egret
yeah then I could see it
stiff gate
just saw ptr build, IP still off gcd right?
ashen trellis
yea
stiff gate
cool cool
ivory barn
@ashen trellis what font in the UI is that? looks clean
steel cargo
test
zinc mauve
testing
worthy karma
LOLOLOLOLOL IP back on 1sec cd instead of 0.5
amber siren
I mean it doesn't really matter as long as it is off the gcd
You wouldn't spam ip back to back like that anyway
worthy karma
true just silly
uneven mason
its not silly
I mean, it makes me sad I can't game the rage situation to push 12s off my cooldowns within 1.5s
but kinda required.
chrome falcon
jaina mechanic: "Clear stacks of [Chilling Touch] by running into patches of [Searing Pitch] or standing nearby a [Burning Explosion] before it detonates."
WELCOME BACK TO MISTS OF PANDARIA BOYS
IT'S TIME TO STAND IN SOME GODDAMN FIRE
steel mauve
you do want a cd on ip though, .5 second cd is used so you cant accidentally just spam it, if it had no cd you would instantly waste so much rage accidentally hitting it
literally every ability has a cd on it, even instant casts, like shield block has a short cd so its not accidentally spammed when you dont want it to be
or i should say insteant casts off the gcd, like shield block and all them still have their own cd on them to avoid spamming rediculously and it being a detriment
ancient reef
Kinda a dumb question but how do you time use of your shield block charges on m+ trash
stiff gate
use shield block, when no more shield block use something else, when no more something else, use shield block
if u are dying anyway run away
ez
ancient reef
Thats what i do, didnt know if like rotating sb ip sb was better or waiting till your at X amount of health first
tepid grail
How bad is lingering sporepods (375 ilevel) for mythic + mostly
cinder nova
SNOOOOOOOOORE
http://prntscr.com/li2n4t
daring patrol
ayy, we did it
astral crystal
lmao 1 sec cd wtf
uncut valve
Hey guys, what is the order of difficulty for M+s (generally) for prot warriors?
floral prism
on mythic vectis - will demo shout decrease the dmg i take from Evolving Affliction? Not sure since its a dot
sick sentinel
WTB that shield, but with haste instead of crit
@tepid grail it isn't "bad" it just overheals u when u don't need it or not heal u when u need it
daring patrol
i only ever really play prot in M+ right now, so crit nomnomnom
open bluff
as far as i'm aware demo applies to everything from affected targets
sick sentinel
Is crit actually a good stat for warrior in 5 man content? i try to focus on haste mastery and versatility for the most part.
tepid grail
@sick sentinel thanks man
sick sentinel
@tepid grail i tried the 325 version when i was still doing heroics, found it hardly ever procced or did any real dmg personally.
open bluff
fathoms
380 button
370 rezan's
370 lion's strength
370 disc
i'm assuming rezan's + disc for zul? or should i go for lion's instead of rezan's to melt crawgs on demand with avatar? (heroic btw, so the whole tank crawgs away thing on M isn't a real issue)
daring patrol
rezan's + button IMO
sick sentinel
Go Lions/rezan
If it's heroic zul u don't have to kite
And no adds should be alive unless u have a sub rogue
Extra damage taken is not helpful for ur healer no matter how little
merry cave
So is it actually a 1 sec cd or is it just back on the gcd
open bluff
well, our group's aoe is kinda meh which is a small reason why i'm bringing the prot warrior
open bluff
i was thinking disc for the flat damage since i know it's decent on prot pal/bdk
sick sentinel
Disc is not useful enough compared to lions
sand egret
hahahah omg has anyone done Arcatraz timewalking?>
sick sentinel
More burst more often
sand egret
the first gauntlet is insane
merry cave
Really get the feeling there done with prot for 8.1
sick sentinel
They said they aren't
sand egret
did it on my bear and even with 2 stacks of ironfur the armor shred brought my armor to 0. just a a high hp mage lol
sick sentinel
They want to look at us with a proper patch so they are giving some qol changes
For now
merry cave
Well less than a month for 8.1 othwise it's 8.2 just sounds like the beta shit show all over again
Too many classes need to be fixed in a rushed amount of time
sick sentinel
Problem is, for all other specs it's just damage changes
We aren't dps, so we take more work
So giving a 5-20% flat damage increase is something they can work around
A tank spec requires proeper time
open bluff
honestly, i'm glad they're taking their time with it
merry cave
A few of the dps specs feel God awful tbh, more than just a damage change is needed
open bluff
and they're also being careful with their changes to brm/bdk so
covert comet
[Waste Disposal Crushers]370Ilvl 108 Crit 64 vers vs [Fluid-Resistant Specimen Handlers] 370Ilvl 105 crit 68haste 74 leech
sick sentinel
While u have a point(Shadow) again dps increase can fix that very easily
Not much thought goes into that
daring patrol
@covert comet handlers, no question
raven kernel
Idk why youd even consider the other
twin eagle
for prot dps, 365 rezan vs 370 lions strength?
sick sentinel
Both are fine
sand egret
lions defensive vs rezan's qol/generally solid
earnest zinc
The other is better if you have no issues with 100% shield block uptime. If not then haste by a lot.
That only can happen on specific fights
twin eagle
Thank you kindly for the insight ๐
sand egret
Burst parry is awesome on a pretty short cd
rezan's is dope since it speeds up sb charges etc with a burst of haste and it lasts 15 seconds. downside: it's random.
outer dew
sand egret
in terms of pure defensive utility, I'd take the Lion's. Not sure what your other trinket is either
outer dew
my crit use to be ridiculously high
sand egret
left my Butcher's Block on by accident in a key
sick sentinel
Keep ur 385's
sand egret
that thing proc'd and boy did it feel good to see that parry string
but yeah, careful with timewalking. TBC was the era of flat armor shred.....
sick sentinel
Now that I'm home I can finally test out my crit build
See how much I like it over my Normal set up
quiet kettle
hey guys, should we petition blizz to make 'glyph of the weaponmaster' be applied to avatar since we lost bc/reck?
sick sentinel
The crit life is not for me
I am way too weak
Also where the fuck the keys at
Only 1m+ where e'erbody up
quiet kettle
eh shields is the opposite of the term 'weaponmaster'
i just want to be able to run around dungeons/raid with my legion fishing pole again
always cracked me up when ppl were wondering how the fuck i got the artifact to mog as another artifact xP
vestal moat
shut summit
still off GCD
is to prevent double tapping and wasting rage (which actually happened quite few times to me)
sick sentinel
๐ฌ
zinc creek
ok I was about to ask the same question about IP, thanks for clarifying @shut summit @vestal moat
rough egret
hi guys, 345rezan, 355blockades , 370 Lions Strength ?
sand egret
lions + blockades
sick sentinel
am i just imagining things or is bolstering teeming like some kind of super cancer for prot warrior this week.
been in 2 dungeons and both turned into wipe fests.
oblique garnet
Whats the item lvl you get from timewalking raid?
open bluff
in which case that's on your dps for not swapping to the bombs fast enough, or on you for pulling too much with explosive
chain pulling is generally safer than mega pulls on explosive weeks
@oblique garnet 355
oblique garnet
Damn
sand egret
๐ค
sick sentinel
1-3 bolstering, 4-6 teeming, 7-9 something else
obtuse venture
anyone know if the str with vers on use pvp trinket is any good? it looks equivalent to jes howler. currently i have 380 rezans 355 blockades. worth subbing in the 370 pvp trinket?
sick sentinel
oh, i don't know how i got those confused.
brain clearly isn't in the right state tonight though, gunna have to try M+ tomorrow instead
open bluff
well, that probably explains how your keys have turned into wipefests
manic perch
is there a place i can view my mythic + runs like list of all i ran recently etc ?
sick sentinel
no, haven't been running 7 and ups, still only really comfortable with like 5-7's
sick sentinel
teeming is a new one for me though. so i gotta wrap my brain around that one.
open bluff
teeming is just extra mobs in packs that are already there
and trash counts for slightly less overall, but the extra mobs generally make up for i t
manic perch
yeah know raider.io tracks it just wanted to view runs and timers and who i did it with etc
sick sentinel
yeah, it's just screwing with my head is all.
open bluff
well
that's exactly what raider.io does lol
you look up your toon, and if your run was tracked it'll tell you how fast it was, what level, and who was in the group
along with their role (maybe spec too?)
outer dew
@sick sentinel explosive is fine with two BFI
since you'll get to the point where you just one shot every other orb
sick sentinel
no, it's not the explosive part that's getting me, i'm trying to run 4-6's to learn this teeming crap.
haven't come across it and a few others that i've not done yet.
oblique garnet
Just dont pull 2 packs at the same time
should be fine
if there are ranged mobs
mental scarab
You can los the explosive if im not wrong
outer dew
you can
sick sentinel
U can by about 30-40yards
Also this week is what I like to call the rude sober Awakening week
Everybody got drunk and had fun last week cause of how dumb easy it was, everybody getting their .io up
Now it's back to rude unforgivable reality that m+ is hard
manic perch
can you macro the orbs or did blizz make them not able too?
oblique garnet
Yes
ionic fern
Quality answer.
sick sentinel
welp, I completed a +5 teeming in ML but it was rough, like 45 minutes or something abysmal.
any other affix i'd get that done in 25-30 minutes
ionic fern
Good thing you can skip all the horrible trash
zinc mauve
@manic perch target macros do not work for explosives
sick sentinel
so you can't aoe them, can't macro them, and you have like 5 seconds tops to deal with them, and because there are more mobs, there are more orbs.... sounds like fun!
ionic fern
Explosives really aren't a big issue.
sick sentinel
now if that fortified crap adds HP and damage to them as well, then i am DEFINITELY not trying any 7 or aboves
ionic fern
One DPS can deal with most of them.
In some freak scenarios you might need 2 DPS'ers to deal with them
But other than that the affix is non-existant.
Just get a DH to focus the orbs and it's like there's no explosives at all.
๐
sick sentinel
1 new scary affix at a time plz thx
lilac briar
anyone try prot in ptr? how do you think itll be in 8.1?
neon tangle
Somewhat better
Fine for raids (it already is, and will only improve) and very slightly better for m+
Basically: if you think the problems with prot right now is just it needing to be a little tankier, or that the rotation needs to be a little less capped on global during avatar
8.1 prot is your jam
If you think the problems with prot arenโt those things: itโs the same ๐
Iโm somewhere in the middle
lilac briar
nice
fickle geyser
its like u go from wanting to kill urself to being happy again
manic perch
ty Amaurus
fathom jetty
what % do you guys typically account for on the healing meters in m+ compared to the healer?
outer dew
@fathom jetty I have very low hps for m+
Might spike this week cause orbs
But in general, for most keys I do. It's ava->Demo->last stand-> full dps
SW->Block and dump test into revengr
And kite when CDs are down
fathom jetty
for reference, i've felt fairly squishy this week, and trying to figure out if its me or the healer
I don't tend to go hard on IP, so the numbers I typically see is like 19% healing. If i'm up to like 24%+, I feel like the healer is bad, but maybe I need to use IP more
outer dew
What level of keys are you doing?
fathom jetty
the %s have stayed pretty consistent regardless of key, but right now I was running 6s
last week the % was the same on 10s
outer dew
6's aren't that punishing
Esp because you lose one affix
You shouldn't be at the point you feel squishy though
fathom jetty
they shouldn't be. but it's hard for me to completely blame the healer when I see 14K HPS on a pull and see myself next to dead repeatedly
fathom jetty
not sure what is reasonable to expect
neon tangle
Maybe worth posting the logs?
Easier to see how youโre spending rage / etc that way
fathom jetty
I'd do that, but I haven't set up logging yet
lavish oracle
14k hps should be enough for a +6
fathom jetty
i'm specifically talking the poison totem guys in atal tho
those pulls she was doing 14K hps
outer dew
That boss is punishing if you miss the kick
outer dew
Only way I can see you get behind
fathom jetty
not boss -- the trash pulls
outer dew
That's very low hps then
I burn CDs on that trash with my healer
I even specify where I pop CDs there to make sure he can catch everyone ip
That trash is either skipped
fathom jetty
I ran 2 atal 6's, one with a resto shammy that went smooth, and then one with a holy priest that made me feel like paper.... so I suspect it was the healer
outer dew
Or needs CDs and priority targeting
fathom jetty
but I'm trying to find a metric for sanity-checking
lavish oracle
Yeah, that pull sucks this week. My group death skipped it this week
outer dew
Arguably
Those healers are the worst for us
We really struggle when we get behind
Your whole purpose as a prot is to never get behind
fathom jetty
it'll be a learning week for sure
fathom jetty
well, I wasn't pugging my healer for 10s ๐
lavish oracle
How many stacks of the bleed are you taking on those pulls Galf?
outer dew
Maybe I'm jaded. But I think 10's are very much puggable
The group's you get ~12 and up vs under
Is usually quite different though
lavish oracle
That definitely sounds like a healing issue
fathom jetty
yeah, when I kept grinding <5 keys, I noticed the quality of players was vastly different as well...
lavish oracle
Unless you're LoSing your healer
fathom jetty
i dunno. I felt I was being pretty proactive on my cooldowns, so the main issue I was thinking was burning more gcds into IP
outer dew
There's multiple ways to approach packs
I prefer the dps hard and kite when I have no cds
I'll have ~200+ cast of revenge in a dungeon
And like ~40 ip
Lmao
fathom jetty
yeah, that's about in line with my usage I'd guess?
the waycrest 6 i just ran
had 229 revenges, 72 IPs
outer dew
But what it comes down to is gotta figure out how to survive and do everything. You can't fix your pug healers. Only yourself
fathom jetty
and this is why I come to you guys, I think I'm out of smart ideas to fix my issues ๐
outer dew
@neon tangle how the BDK life? Still tossing around the idea of leveling a BDK/DH for these shit weeks just to gear up and mess around
neon tangle
Well itโs up to ilvl 371 now
outer dew
Thing is it's a bit hard to help without logs and not very specific situations
neon tangle
And 3/8M
outer dew
Grate
Convinced the guild to let me tank for raids
(:
4/8M done on tanking now
Now good ole fetid prog
neon tangle
Havenโt had time to do keys this week yet, we raid Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
outer dew
Oof
neon tangle
I did get a 390 2h from taloc to replace a 355 tho, so itโs all good
outer dew
Kind of glad I'm in a 2 day, get to meme about
neon tangle
5 average ilvls from 1 item
outer dew
Kind of don't want to level another too bechause of rep grind + gearing up
CBA to bring more toons into mythic farm
outer dew
I have a mage to meme about on
Yea, I think lazy boy for me. Not gonna level another tank
Gonna keep up with the prot warrior life. What if my convictions of pushing content with prot get ruined if I make a DK or DH
That's too wild
outer dew
I don't think they're bad for us
fathom jetty
so looking thru the warcraftlogs process right now -- any particular dungeons that are better than others for diagnosing issues?
outer dew
We excel in small-medium packs
With 2x BFI you can one shot orbs
Or get very close to it
Or SS->Victory rush around on orbs
sick sentinel
This week isn't bad, it's just that a lot of people haven't adjusted yet
oblique garnet
Did a WM +13 moment ago
oblique garnet
People were still stuck in the last weeks affixes so they just kept on pulling when i wasnt ready
sick sentinel
Coming off a week like last, people are still riding off the high that was a push week
outer dew
Hows WM this week?
oblique garnet
Surprisingly easy
outer dew
Sitting on a +14 ATM
sick sentinel
It is for pugging
oblique garnet
Well yeah but if im the top dps after a dungeon as tank
sick sentinel
Even at 13/14
oblique garnet
The 1.3k people leave after they see its not a dk
sick sentinel
My issue rn is nobody is posting keys in df
oblique garnet
Which is sad
sick sentinel
Ive had it happen several times
oblique garnet
I had a guy whisper me if his friend could tank the key because he played dk
he had 500 rio
sick sentinel
Healer/DPS leave because I'm not a dk
oblique garnet
How about no
sick sentinel
Check DF, he's there waiting for a non prot
ember arrow
This is some E P I C circlejerk
sick sentinel
Can't circle jerk when there are tapes
I can literally go back and find a SS I posted with someone saying they don't want to invite me to a M+ on this channel
So shush
outer dew
I mean
The state of prot is that the people who want to make it work
Will be fine and do well
sick sentinel
Problem is nobody gives us a chance, and if they do we get poor representation
The amount of times I've been told, yeah I had a key with a prot, he sucked ass to heal is way too high
oblique garnet
"prot warrior feels like paper"
outer dew
"I prefer prot warriors second in m+"
But tbf
I'm the only prot warrior he's healed
Bahajaha
sick sentinel
I can't really blame ppl tho, why would I pick a tank that i have to basically hope and guess they are good
Over a tank that is just always good
outer dew
I mean
Maybe I have a weird mentality
I go into some keys expecting bricks because I want to try something new
Or just meet different people for adds
I don't mind inviting off meta picks, as long as they think they can be a master of their class
ionic fern
A lot comes down to the fact that higher keys prefer to have a CR and with healers like Disc/Mistweaver being up there and DPS'ers being mostly Mage/Rogue/DH it benefits Blood DK's even more. ๐คท
oblique garnet
Tofu the damage this week is basically the same as last week if all the adds are enraged so not that bad aslong as there arent casters
sick sentinel
It's the work smarter, not harder school of though honestly for a lot of pugs
outer dew
I mean
A common mentality is that
People believe that they've done the most they can to maximize their class
sick sentinel
Like I'm not gonna say they aren't wrong for not picking me when there is a dk right next to me
outer dew
So the only way to push or get more benefit is to maximize the group
sick sentinel
Yeah but higher pushing is going to end up u not pugging
outer dew
Of course.
oblique garnet
whats the event this week in freehold?
sick sentinel
Pm
amber siren
it'd be the beer dude this week right?
outer dew
You need the same group for pushing so you can test and understand your limits
amber siren
so the vulpera thing
sick sentinel
Just hope ur fucking DPS drink
God I fucking hate that shit
Always 1 mothefucker who takes 20 years to drink from the same add
wind scroll
isn't every week a freehold week? ๐
sick sentinel
+12 is easy fit mi
FH can be....a pain on certain weeks
I just feel bad for the human captain, literally the worst to have
I'd rather face all 3 if I knew I wouldn't die
wind scroll
what's so bad about him?
sick sentinel
Compared to the other two, he doesn't do much
Also the event is stupid
I love dogs but fuck
Get a rogue/druid and hope they don't break stealth because of a pixel
Or just fuck it and death run it
At least rat girl(I hope) is this week
Don't have to be jumping like Mario across the place
oblique garnet
Beer guy gives a buff eudora stuns every other barrel smash
oblique garnet
Huh
sick sentinel
The human, no, the kul tiran yes
sick sentinel
ok now I'm confused
oblique garnet
Same
sick sentinel
The fat human or small human
oblique garnet
Fat human gives 15% damage increase
outer dew
But the fucked thing about human
Is that if the boss gets hit by the crit% buff
He will eat your asshole
On tyrannical weeks
Lmao
sick sentinel
I think the beer buffs are only if the beer guy isn't on ur side
Cause I didn't see beer last week
Only big beer
oblique garnet
Thats the 15% dmg increase
outer dew
Pretty sure the small human is the small bottles
sick sentinel
Man, this is stupid
I'm a warrior not a mage this is hurting my brain
Or whatever I have there
outer dew
I mean, I'm just here debating if I want another tank too
Toon
Or is Warrior/Shaman/Mage good enough
Or do I need another tank to avoid the bench next tier
sick sentinel
From PE, don't make another spec only class
U get burned out from it quickly
I only dps when I'm farming old raids/dungeons because of how bad I burned myself in legion with all 12 classes dpsing
oblique garnet
imagine playing dps ever since tbc and finally getting a chance to play tank
outer dew
I mean
sick sentinel
It's why I keep my druid/warrior on two separate guilds
outer dew
I don't mind all aspects of my toons
Can't convince myself to play DK
Because the state they're in for pvp bloes
Blows*
sick sentinel
I always want to play dk
outer dew
So although I say BDK, I really only am considering DH
oblique garnet
Unholy dk is actually decent in arenas
sick sentinel
But I feel like im just playing the palys younger brother in class form
outer dew
Lmao
Iunno. We'll see. Don't really wanna convince myself to level another toon qq
Doing maintenance is pain
sick sentinel
At least 8.1 will make it better to lvl if u do
outer dew
Oh
sick sentinel
But yeah, the maintenance is a bigger problem
sick sentinel
Reduced xp needed beeten 60-80
fathom jetty
supposedly they reduced xp requirements by like 33% overall
oblique garnet
you dont have to grind the champions repu tho
outer dew
And pala is 110 too
sick sentinel
110-120 won't see a change however
outer dew
So the 60-80 gap not that useful for me
oblique garnet
110-120 is like 7 hours or smth anyways why would they change it
outer dew
Oh no
I heard there was like
Invasions like in legion
So I was wondering if worth to just level my toons then
sick sentinel
Yup
Incursions
Same deal like legion
Good for exp
But the exp change won't be affected but I can check rq
.5-.3% difference between live and ptr from 110-120
outer dew
I mean incursions sound like at least a nice way to exp
Spamming dungeons and islands get tiring
sick sentinel
I think they meantion it can be used the same way like legion was to level up as well
outer dew
Az levels low AF
Yea, I think that's how I'm gonna go about it
Won't level anything until next patch
sick sentinel
Coolio
oblique garnet
man watching musclebrah do keys is confusing
coarse gale
Guys +15 ilvl ring with mastery and crit instead of ring with versa haste, is it worth it?
fresh dragon
uh... ignor pain already nerfed even before release :V
autumn pendant
How
sinful surge
1 sec cd instead of 0.5
oblique garnet
Its to prevent double clicking them
sinful surge
It's not that big of a deal
autumn pendant
I say its okay with gcd off
wintry ermine
@coarse gale ilvl > all other stats, only time you have to look at stats is if you want a specific uldir buff or if you have two items with the same ilvl
drowsy relic
holy shit just tried kings rest on a 16 and Zul is absolutely fucked
Ik youre meant to spam IP and SR on cd
im not casting SB and I'm using Shield wall about 5 seconds in pull
idk what I can do to improve that pull
odd ridge
Hold your healers hand and pray
drowsy relic
I'm running with a hpally
brazen sequoia
Guys. Say we have both Shield Block and Ignore Pain up and you take 100 dmg. Which ability will reduce the damage first? Should be shield block right? So taking 30% of the 100 dmg, and then IP will take the rest and reduce it by 50%, ye?
oblique garnet
You take the aggro on zul and run to the 3rd boss room
amber siren
with zul in kr on fort you need to bl him
autumn pendant
Its like extra boss on fortified
Imagine him also enraged and not having enrage dispell 
autumn pendant
You can spell reflect one of his balls and then you pray
stone crag
@brazen sequoia absorbs are last, yes
oblique garnet
Yeah you pretty much have to run away when it does that
brazen sequoia
@stone crag gracias
cinder nova
18 seconds
15 times over 10 seconds
1 second of max value
math is hard?
8 seconds of max value with 10 seconds of increasing value.
torpid socket
Hello guys, what choice would you make between Winds of War (dodge proc stacking) vs Blood Siphon (flat mastery + leech)?
ember arrow
A third option
torpid socket
^^ no third option there (or -15ilvl)
ember arrow
I dont think u can dodge anything from level 123 enemies
With prots low dodge
Dont think adding bit more will help much
But other option is pty inconsequential too
uneven mason
I Mean, at least mastery has a consistent value
sick sentinel
Mastery leach
100%
Winds of war is not bad in m+, it is noticeable
But you can never go wrong with more mastery
sick sentinel
After the runs I had yesterday, more haste
Mastery is not reliable
As well as crit
Was doing a +13 KR and last boss was doing like no damage, and there was one blade combo, ONE, that got me from 90% to 25%
With SB up
I either critblocked/parried his combos, even half of it makes it laughable
But not critblock or parry in 4 hits an the hit after and I was with my face on the ground
Keep in mind, 32% mastery and 22% parry
What are the chances
modern brook
I had a really shitty atal last night
sick sentinel
Tell us about it, all ears
sick sentinel
US boy or EU boy?
modern brook
Us ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
So new affixes
modern brook
bad cc; bad explosive managment; I beta'd out of the path I wanted to do cause key holder was adamant that left is easier dude
note: left is not easier
sick sentinel
Left IS easier
Did you have a warlock?
Or a way to skip the pull before totem boss?
sick sentinel
Nobody plays markasman
sick sentinel
So you did not skip the pull before totem boss
modern brook
I've literally never ran left before
sick sentinel
Yeah yeah sorry, left is cancer
sick sentinel
How big was the key?
modern brook
got a sick 15 over atal no my record now >.>
10
we were going into it with the intent of 2 chesting...
sick sentinel
I farmed score last week
modern brook
same; just on arms lol
sick sentinel
I could be a 1.2k boy on prot but we fucked some keys
Namely motherlode last boss (somehow) and KR first boss
modern brook
KR third boss is what fucks me usually
sick sentinel
That too
modern brook
I run with frost consistently so first boss is generally p ez
third boss or zul
depending on Tyr / fort
im trying to fill out my prot list with 10's this week
sick sentinel
Axes came up while we we doing totems and poison nova on the other side
modern brook
I'm like 300 score cause I havent done them since like 2nd week they came out
modern brook
damn i take back what i said about pushing ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
I'm on a mission to prove pugs ( esp healers) that prot is viable for m+, one person at a time (because I run with 3 guildies)
Takes too long tho so I farm score
modern brook
noble
I have to like
get my shit together
Its been a minute since I've tanked and I'm like atching me fuck everything up
sick sentinel
I also wanna get 4 guildies together with 1 willing to sacrifice their key to the memes
modern brook
like little shit
oblique garnet
Ok so this week and and last week not much has changed in freehold
sick sentinel
And run 1 prot 4 dps
modern brook
ie: dont sb your stand, dont cap rage, etc
oblique garnet
Dont have to kite adds till you hit 14+
modern brook
can you still skip to first boss after adds at the stairs?
or does teeming fuck that
sick sentinel
I shroud at start @modern brook
oblique garnet
^
Last week we ran without rogues so we took all 3 packs at the same time while ccing the infested
modern brook
If we have rogues we shroud
oblique garnet
This week you cant do that tho
modern brook
my dps core is generally boomy+mage+hunter
oblique garnet
So getting a rogue is best if you wanna push
strong forum
You have to run with atleast 1 melee this week cuz of explosive, 2 are ideal
oblique garnet
Tbh i had more issues on timewalking than m+ this week
strong forum
But fuck me man, yesterday we were aiming to push some score... But everybody was so fucked we couldn't do anything
Legit wiped on KR 15 3x to 3rd boss and then called it
Cuz of simple mistakes and disc not being able to keep up vs the dot on axe boss
Ticked for 60k every 2 sec
narrow abyss
KR 3rd boss is gross
strong forum
We had it done the 1st try, but then I was retarded and got punted off
dusk locust
lol same thing happened to me on that boss. we were well ahead of the timer on a 14, i heroic leapt over a swirling axe but must have just tapped it, and sailed over the edge
sick sentinel
Just parry it, ez
modern brook
I didnt know the edges didn have a wall
sick sentinel
The punt
woeful otter
hey guys, sorry for being noob, but how i can display received dmg, heals, blocks, dodges, parries as scrolling text?
oblique garnet
Get a scrolling combat text addon
woeful otter
i was using MSBT, you think it's the best ?
strong forum
I'm using parrot
oblique garnet
I dont have anything
strong forum
I used to have everything turned off
woeful otter
how do you see the stats? or simply don't ssee?
strong forum
But I wanted to see how much I was actually blocking
oblique garnet
Wdym stats?
strong forum
So I modified it that I can only see what I'm getting hit by and how much I'm blocking
oblique garnet
Hp?
strong forum
Turned off everything else, parry dodge and heals, don't need that displayed
woeful otter
i mean dmg taken, dmg done, healing blocks, dodges, parries
strong forum
You don't need that tbh
oblique garnet
At logs after the fight
woeful otter
yeah but i am new to tanking, i want to see stuf f in real time to understand it better
strong forum
It's nice to know dmg taken by Single Hits
But parry, healing and dodging is irrelevant
woeful otter
ok ill try parrot
oblique garnet
As long as i dont die its fine i will see the dmg taken etc after fight
modern brook
If you have skada or an equivlent you can just make 2 windows for damage recieved and healing done
reacting to scrolling text is probably a bad habit
strong forum
For example tree boss on waycrest
Getting hit for 8.5k and having blocked 85k....
Fucking topkek :D
modern brook
and they say prot doesnt have self healing
strong forum
Yeah that's a lie
oblique garnet
This week we have alot of self healing in m+
strong forum
Parrot 2
oblique garnet
I only have one azerite veins and iv
woeful otter
right how do they differ
modern brook
by 1 version :^)
strong forum
Parrot is outdated, parrot2 is up to date
uneven mason
anyone else get dicked out of raiding lastnight due to the massive lag?
oblique garnet
From discord? Yeah
modern brook
q: I've already looted and coined M Taloc; can I join somoen elses Taloc kill and coin it again?
oblique garnet
No
modern brook
rip
dusk locust
yeah just under half our raid was lagging pretty badly
cleared less than we usually do on a tuesday
livid terrace
Is Xalzaix Veiled Eye really that crappy of a trinket for prot ? ๐ฆ
uneven mason
No
In the situations where its good, its good.
overall though, a haste/str stat stick leads to less damage taken
Something like, Running Zul's bleed out
sick sentinel
just did my first m+ this week. i pushed my rating to 1400 last week. but seeing how prot works out this weeks just makes me wanna quit this game.
uneven mason
Or not getting destroyed by Zek
0_o
Explosive weeks for prot are ungodly
Victory rush for days
Fort Teeming sucks balls
sick sentinel
And if your Shield slam crits you overshot orbs as well
uneven mason
but explosive feeds us health
uneven mason
you did yoru first M+ and hit one of the top scores in the world ๐ค
sick sentinel
i had a brewmaster before
@sick sentinel do you know who baumi is?
Completely unrelated btw
just wanted to say this weeks makes me wanna quit ๐ i just need a small vent
there are alot of baumis where i come from hehe
The streamer/youtuber
hehe no
Holy shit that makes it even funnier
Anyway, you did your first m+ and got 1400 .io?
That sounds like bullshit to me
well forget the 1400 then. thats not my point i wanted to get across
frosty wedge
also prot this week isn't bad - we get a shitload of self healing if you focus explosives
there's a video of Boost (korean warr) doing a 12 waycrest without a healer from the last explosive week
sick sentinel
i guess have to watch it ๐
keep in mind, boost is the third highest prot warrior in .io score
frosty wedge
yes, Boost plays extremely well
wintry ermine
He said first m+ this week, as in the first mythic plus dungeon he's done this week.
are you trying to not understand him?
frosty wedge
Yeah reading it again I understand whathe meant - he pushed to 1400 last week, but playing this week makes him hate life
frosty wedge
not tat he did his first m+ ever
sick sentinel
NEVERMIND
@sick sentinel what kind of key were you talking about
how high
just did ml+13 with a pretty decent group
and i felt useless throughout the whole run
as a prot i felt useless :_)
wintry ermine
and I agree, I don't like this week and will only do the minimum amount pretty much ๐
sick sentinel
I think as long as you interrupt/cast important casts you should be fine yeah?
wintry ermine
explosive is fine, but fortified and teeming are just boring in my opinion
sick sentinel
and spell reflecting the lash
modern brook
I'm no where near as good as the ppl in this conversation
but im taking solace in the fact that I also felt useless
sick sentinel
I have not run an m+ this week yet so I can't have valid input
wintry ermine
as a side note, I finally got 385 shoulders in my m+ cache today, first shoulders! ..... and they don't have DC ๐ฆ