I don’t know how much more patient I can get with this guy....
#protection
chilly brook
modern brook
sorry griff 😦
open bluff
is this the same guy who thought shield block didn't work against thrash because it wasn't an auto?
modern brook
oof hang on what
open bluff
open bluff
griff posted that in here last night
modern brook
yikes
sand egret
🤔 I bet he's a holy pally
as a flashlight shield bretheren, you'd think he'd know about block
open bluff
tfw i read that as "fleshlight"
oblique garnet
Didnt he say he played retri?
sand egret
those are bears
open bluff
funny thing is i actually got told by both my pocket healers this week they prefer my warrior over my pally
sand egret
i went off from using "we" when referring to Prot, but then saying he was a healer
so i jumped to Holy
open bluff
(while also being accused more than once of being broken )
chilly brook
Hey can someone tell me how much Zul hits for on autos if it’s not blocked?
steel mauve
I always block em so no 😛
sand egret
that's it?!
chilly brook
How much does the bleed tick for?
oblique garnet
Depends
chilly brook
Per stack
oblique garnet
15.5k
chilly brook
On heroic yea?
oblique garnet
y
chilly brook
K
chilly brook
Gonna quick maff this kid
oblique garnet
So essentially if you take 3 stacks which apparently is the norm instead of 4 you take around 110k damage without block
(includes the zul melee
modern brook
u can block the bleed?
modern brook
I typed that before i saw the zul melee part sorry
oblique garnet
Npnp
steel mauve
Ya 21k per stack of bleed on zul
modern brook
every now and again i wonder why i get denied from +6's at 380
then i realize ppl like him are real
steel mauve
Warcraftlogs on mobile sucks ass trying to get a specific time zone on a figbt
Fight
astral crystal
while waiting on the chest some shaman whispered asking how a prot warr was 7/8M
wheelchairs assaulting wheelchairs
chilly brook
open bluff
modern brook
How can he not realize he's wrong
modern brook
he's saying that IP is better becaue SB only works on AA's and the absorb smooths damage intake
which you may note as being wrong on every account
chilly brook
Sebastien Roux ok let me break it down like this. If I’m taking any portion of physical damage that is blockable (most physical damage is) then I should be rolling Shield Block. In my case I mitigate (aka completely make it disappear) ~40% of the damage per attack when I block. Seeing as Shield Block gives 100% Block Chance in general I remove a lot more damage for less rage than focusing on IP>SB would do. IP will only absorb 50% of the incoming damage up to, in my case ~37k. So if I take Zul for example on heroic, if you don’t block his melees you’re looking at about a 50k hit. His bleed is around 21k per stack. So if we take those two numbers and you overwhelmingly focus IP over Shield Block while actively tanking then you’re wasting your IP on a melee instead of actually helping smooth out the non-blockable damage. Because in my case I’d take an unblocked melee which would take up most of my IP with the rest of the small amount going to the bleed. However if I focus on Shield Block instead while using IP when I can spare the rage on it I’m actually getting the full use I possibly can out of IP. Not to mention the amount of damage that is going to be completely negated due to blocks in the 6 seconds that Shield Block is up is going to be much larger than any damage mitigated by IP in that 6 seconds. IP is a good tool but it’s not your main mitigation, we’re not in legion anymore and we don’t have the rage generation to support IP as our main mitigation either. On top of that when you’re not actively tanking Zul then by all means you should only dump rage on IP because then you’re not taking any melee damage.
My response to that
sand egret
yeah, but where Im confused is at the disconnect that SB isn't in the conversation on unblockables and for blockables...block > ip
or is this where evveryone else is
chilly brook
I mean I’ve said that
sand egret
ook
chilly brook
But he seems to think IP>SB period
sand egret
yeah just want to make sure I wasn't half-assed backwards
chilly brook
Because healers should be able to predict melee hits and therefore Shield Block isn’t important
sand egret
ok yeah that's some serious legion thinkin
open bluff
keep in mind this guy thinks you can't block thrash
chilly brook
Because it’s “predictable damage”
sand egret
a) why not both
modern brook
you're also leaving out the fact that ip is on gcd (currently)
and using IP not only dumps rage
but delays its generation
further reducing the effectiveness of IP spam w/ block support rather than the other way around
steel mauve
I mean if you tske 3 autos in 6 seconds thats 150k dmg plus 3 ticks of dot which is 60k, so in 6 seconss you're taking 210k dmg, or in my case blocking would be about 43% dr, so i would take like 38.5k which is 115.5k plus the 60k so 175k dmg, not counting in the 50% absorb from ip
chilly brook
@modern brook I mean that’s the point
steel mauve
Without ip alone i dropped that numbers by 35k
modern brook
😦 I didnt read the legion portion of your post where you addressed rage generation
IT was a lot and i got through most of it
primal crypt
wait what? I never shield block, I just use ip because it absorbs all dmg
it's much stronger than SB
modern brook
Ignore Block
steel mauve
And you can simultaneously use sb with ip, but if you jusg spam ip you wont have rage and you can't gain rage since gcd
sharp steeple
Turn your back against the boss for guaranteed crit blocks
sand egret
omg, that's gotta be the new slogan.
New Prot Warrior: "Oh man I'm so squishy! Why?"
Prot: "Hmm it seems you have a high uptime on Ignore Block"
tidal sparrow
shimmering haven vs earthlink?
sand egret
if you hate the ground effect, earthlink
oblique garnet
IV Safeguard Best Served Cold Never Indomitable Menace Vengeance Ravager talents I wonder if that man is running talents like this
sand egret
but SH is pretty dope
modern brook
I'd go earthlink, but im lik 90% on haven being better for survivability
sand egret
i personally dont like the ground effect
primal crypt
ground effect stresses you out
primal crypt
always indomitable*
steel mauve
If you can stand in haven, then its really good, but if you cant then i wouldnt use it
primal crypt
I'm getting super excited for 8.1
charge is off GCD, we can block rocks
this is like a super buff
sand egret
I want to target azerite gear
ember arrow
better than sex
modern brook
we can ignore whenever we want to
primal crypt
it's so good
daring marlin
meh
primal crypt
IP off gcd is whatever
sand egret
honestly im really excited to try out 3x Bloodsport
primal crypt
but charge coming off is huge
modern brook
Ip off gcd is amazing :/
primal crypt
"amazing"
daring marlin
With DC nerf and it being much more plentiful targeting asserite isn't that big of a deal
sand egret
but if i can just do what I do anyway, spam keys, then I can progress. woop woop
daring marlin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
primal crypt
wop wop
daring marlin
@modern brook agreed
oblique garnet
@modern brook I would never run talents like that
sand egret
I can't check until later
oblique garnet
The reset is tomorrow for eu
tidal sparrow
380 riot shield
modern brook
I mean it brings the entirity of our proc based offensive rotation back in; rage generated from cooldowns is easier to burn through; AM Maintence is less of a chore
oblique garnet
Maybe i will get the 385 shoulders with DC now
oblique garnet
XD
sand egret
yeah, I think it going off the GCD will be something I appreciate a lot more than I think I will
oblique garnet
Would probably finally get to 385ilvl with the shoulders
modern brook
IP off gcd makes revenge procs not feel bad
sand egret
yeah
modern brook
10/10 good change
sand egret
that alone is a huge reason
daring marlin
PAWG
primal crypt
poggers
steel mauve
Ip off gcd is decent for rotation flow but its not gonna be amazing for a surv buff
modern brook
Thats fine
daring marlin
I just look forward to it during big pulls and avatar
modern brook
I'm not excited for the surv buff tbh
Its just a huge qol bonus
Clap -> revenge -> clap during avatar is real and i can maintain defensives during it now
oblique garnet
The unsung hero of survivability buff is the ranged block
modern brook
that sick
plain ice
+1 to what Late said
primal crypt
/agree Late
modern brook
as long as they dont touch my avatar damage 😦
oblique garnet
Man i cant wait to finally be able to do the ranged add in kr after first boss without running like a madman to the beginning of the dungeon
daring marlin
precisely
oblique garnet
Im gonna get my revenge on that fker
modern brook
reflect it with your shield that can block ranged attacks now
oblique garnet
I pretend it doesnt exist for the sake of my sanity
modern brook
:^)
I would really like a middle ring that reflected a 2nd spell in Spell reflect duration
modern brook
probably my biggest miss from legion yeah
modern brook
I recently learned that if you're targeted by a bunch of spells at the same time you spell reflect all of them
primal crypt
our shield is a POS
modern brook
So you can set it up via shock wave
primal crypt
only now can it block rocks and arrows
used to be able to reflect things
now it just forgot to do that
my immersion
modern brook
The worst part of shields is that every mog for them is gross and dumb
primal crypt
that too...
modern brook
Ok well most mogs for them are gross and dumb
primal crypt
only the mage tower one is worth using these days
sharp steeple
If only those skins were moggable individually instead of shield and sword as a whole
primal crypt
@modern brook Ataldazar, before volkal, if you pull first and your group is off to the side and no one aggros, you can double hex the casters
since they both cast hex on you
oblique garnet
imagine playing highmountain tauren where you have literally 3 decent transmogs
modern brook
I legit cant imagine a non-orc warrior
primal crypt
That was me
modern brook
How do you pummel with such small shoulders?
primal crypt
Highmountain took me to new places
modern brook
and /or by being a gross, poorly anchored cow
oblique garnet
tbf i might change to belf because the racial is so good in m+ etc
modern brook
Yeah
I like my greenskins though
Debating if im going to race change my rogue or my paladin to zandalari and the other will go to belf
sand egret
omg im having this debate now
i love my spicey boi, but I finally found friends to play with
and they're horde...
im so conflicted
sand egret
my fireblood
primal crypt
warriors look best as femorcs, highmountain, undead, fembelf
modern brook
undead warrior
oblique garnet
Just roll a horde
modern brook
yikes
oblique garnet
They are better anyways 8)
sand egret
I could go highmountain
primal crypt
undead warrior is good as dps, swing animations are nice
modern brook
Be a man and go Nightborne
oblique garnet
Dont do it
primal crypt
dont do it
modern brook
Nightborne Warrior is secret
oblique garnet
I mean i cant even fly in legion LUL
primal crypt
...
sand egret
wtf do they evven have for racials...
primal crypt
wat
primal crypt
They have arcane explosion
modern brook
magic damage +1%
primal crypt
on 2 min cd?
modern brook
and uhhh every face looks like a grandma
some how a hedonistic society is incapable of producing attractive females.
🤷
modern brook
yaeh reaping confirmed to be utter horse shit
crystal night
Lmao fort weeks are gonna BLOW
modern brook
I see it doing 2 things
- they'll have reduced life to like ~25% or something
- it will social aggro everything
crystal night
Imagine 7 vendors running at you in ML haha
modern brook
lol 😦
primal crypt
Good luck being a tank in 8.1
or rather
good luck pugging with tanks
if you plan on dpsing
crystal night
Yeah lmao rip
modern brook
I think the adds will auto only tbh
primal crypt
The level of mediocre tanks is unbelievable
crystal night
That would be cool
modern brook
making you fight everything again is a little much, for 5 times a dungeon
oblique garnet
yamorino the level of mediocre dps is also pretty insane
crystal night
Is 1k io and 3/8 M medicore ?:(
primal crypt
That too
modern brook
You can get by as a mediocre dps though
crystal night
Mediocre *
primal crypt
the spectrum of skill level is WOW
modern brook
Bad tanks and bad healers hurt a lot worse
crystal night
Yes it does
modern brook
Bad dps arent felt till you're pushing past like 11-12
like moving into real key territory
hushed cobalt
With all the luck and help and reading, I am proudly Realm 7th Prot Warrior 😢
primal crypt
Good job
modern brook
grats tsar
primal crypt
keep going
oblique garnet
I had a pug healer who had so much faith in me(druid) that he just went full dps mode on all the trash on ML
crystal night
Noice mate
I'm on Thrall and got to #3 recently :P idk if I'll be able to stay there lmao
oblique garnet
Im 1 timed kings rest away from being the 1st on draenor : /
hushed cobalt
Lightbringer, and prot is my alt
sand egret
Reaping isn't the exact mobs
crystal night
Oh damn nice taar
sand egret
it's one of 3 new mob types
crystal night
I hope not
primal crypt
I got to 3 on Area52
modern brook
@crystal night whats the chars name
primal crypt
then I got busy and dropped to 6 😦
modern brook
<-- also on thrall
primal crypt
rest in rip
modern brook
just started pushing on prot
hushed cobalt
i didnt have a siege or underrot and was 11th or something
crystal night
Scottietrill - Thrall
modern brook
wanna know how far i have to go
crystal night
@modern brook
modern brook
❤ ty
sand egret
Also, if I do go Horde, I'll be the top prot warrior on that cluster by a lot lol
crystal night
Bro u can get up there ez
modern brook
yeah
I've been doing Arms pushing cause i swapped guilds half way into this tier
and it turns out getting into guild as MT prot is a lot harder
but guildies trust me now so i can get back to the ignoring pain
mellow bridge
hushed cobalt
was running a few m0's with a fresh 120 guildie and the healer was complaining that it looked like im easy to heal in 8-12s.
"sorry revenge is #1 priority over sb/ip"
astral crystal
what's your score, muyuu
sick sentinel
350 howler TD vs 370 vial UR with 74 avoidance, my other trinket is did blockades. Thoughts?
mellow bridge
1313 now but I got like 10-15 more points not updated yet
modern brook
@sick sentinel I'd stick with the vial for burst; unless you're having survivability issues
astral crystal
when i do get to play with the bois keys are so easy
lusty grotto
I mean
sick sentinel
Okay, have just read that howler is bis
hushed cobalt
explosive and bursting confuse me on which is which
primal crypt
Explosive is pretty bad
lusty grotto
Yeah victory rush!!
hushed cobalt
explosive orbs dont get buffed by fort right?
astral crystal
no
lusty grotto
Yup
primal crypt
When you have derp dps in groups
modern brook
going off memory and feels
modern brook
explosives are your job first, imo
sick sentinel
Explosive orbs can drop from adds on a boss such as cragmaw.
lusty grotto
No need for dps to kill them, more victory rush for me
astral crystal
no need but why wouldn't you have them help you do it
a demon hunter destroys orbs
take one and be merry
modern brook
so i can victory rushatticus
lusty grotto
But I want my victory rush damn it
primal crypt
Dh,furrywar
modern brook
I'm triyng to fucking win here
astral crystal
😏
modern brook
I came here to ignore pain and feel the rush of victory, and I've just finished ignoring the pain
hushed cobalt
for damagey-ness, azerite globs or crystal carapace?
primal crypt
globs is definitely meh
hushed cobalt
globs (and also thuderous blast) proc only on main target? or can tclap spread it
modern brook
IDK for sure, but going off tool tip, it doesnt specify target, so my guess is tclap can spread it
but you know thats going off tooltips so you take the ocean's salt supply with that
hushed cobalt
sea salt best salt
modern brook
on the other hand - do you really need help with aoe dmg
modern brook
trash parse is the only parse
sand egret
we chill with Jani too
you meet him in Vol'dun
bite some dude on the ass
and now we tight
how only the best of kinships are made
lusty grotto
Typical Jani quest
modern brook
@hushed cobalt I checked the arms blood mallet for gobules, and they jump up considerably (nearlly 200dps) in hectic add cleave VS patchwork
Unsure if thats cause of the aoe nature of the explosion or spread applications though
(or both)
lusty grotto
Sweeping strikes cough
hushed cobalt
last non-parse q, shimmering haven doesnt heal you for that amount right?
crystal night
@mellow bridge how are this week's affixes? Or are u EU?
mellow bridge
I'm EU
modern brook
more like EW
crude ether
bye bye goof affix's you were fun while you lasted
modern brook
👏
mellow bridge
yea next week sucks
crude ether
was a hell of a week to push last week
I got 1545 feelsgood
now this week its like i don't even want to tank a 10
prisma crane
@modern brook human warrior is where it's at 😉
crude ether
unoptimization 
modern brook
You roll night borne warrior
sand egret
that knockdown
sand egret
and what the shit is this Rugged Tenacity crap
prisma crane
lmao Bull, but all mogs look great on human
except for the stupid garrosh shoulders
modern brook
they really do 😦
rough egret
Kul tiran!!
sand egret
is it flat reduction?
prisma crane
good thing i dont like the garrosh shoulders anyways
modern brook
Human rogues (leather in general, but specifically rogues) look phenomenal
sand egret
that could be swag as hell with block
modern brook
The mannoroth shoulders are overrated imo
prisma crane
i'm a fan of blood/void elves for rogues and monks
modern brook
Its more of an epeen i got these thing
prisma crane
agreed
modern brook
BLood elves are Good looking rogues because of how similiar they are to humans though
prisma crane
yea
lusty grotto
i was perma human alliance side
prisma crane
armor just works
sand egret
damn, but on the other hand...i'd probably be the only fucking nightborne warrior
prisma crane
proportions arent all fucky
crude ether
Hey @shut summit any tips for m g'huun as prot gear and stats wise?
prisma crane
just go fat human
lusty grotto
which is why i'm Team Saurfang
rough egret
From the alliance, kul tiran males are the tankiest
rough egret
Thicc
prisma crane
i think DID are still the best for tanks
lusty grotto
for sure
prisma crane
but i refuse to make my warrior anything but a human
rough egret
Im gonna reroll to kul tirans from void elf
lusty grotto
DID is good for pvp too especially against rogues, ferals and warriors
dreamy owl
what si DID?
lusty grotto
you take it back
modern brook
dark iron dwarf
prisma crane
^
dreamy owl
ah
modern brook
Nim. nothing to do with preference
lusty grotto
armor looks amazing on them
modern brook
They just opted to ignore them for like everything npc related
prisma crane
plus, let's be real here, start of an expac? who doesn't like a good diplomacy racial
lusty grotto
oh yea that's truwe
modern brook
I thought they got rid of that krotos
modern brook
Rip
lusty grotto
mmmm stacking diplomacy with darkmoon fair
prisma crane
they just gutted EMFH
modern brook
Unsure which I'll actually play
rough egret
They will be huge as tauresns
prisma crane
i have a single 120 toon
lusty grotto
at least i can go warmode since i'm a rogue HEK HEK HEK
prisma crane
i'm a master of one, and shit at the rest
prisma crane
though i did really enjoy PvP on my ele in legion
lusty grotto
and my mage is 118
prisma crane
and i've always liked ele tbh
lusty grotto
guess what's the name of my mage
prisma crane
chipnim
sand egret
So does this Nightborne racial just keep pulsing?
prisma crane
i find that people strive to be original with their names
lusty grotto
right up there with Nimchipadin, Monkchip, Deathchip, Nimchippy (rip my druid) and the black sheep which is Zuaniavelez
prisma crane
on their first toon only
lusty grotto
last one is my DH
prisma crane
actually, i think i may be the only one i know who has several characters, only 1 is named similar to my main
chilly brook
Incoming wall of text
sand egret
Ragesong, Felsong, Stormsong, Bladesong
sand egret
and ya boy Butak Jenkins
lusty grotto
Popsong
chilly brook
Lawl jk I can’t post it
oblique garnet
The best strat to naming characters is just looking around your table and seeing whats there and using one of those
lusty grotto
Doritos
prisma crane
Krotôs, Agusta, Taktsang, Ithaqua, Icecubism, Heimdall
lusty grotto
Twomonitors
chilly brook
My time dictating what was said in a comment is ruined
oblique garnet
Applejuice Bottleofrum etc etc
lusty grotto
Beer
sand egret
Sadness
modern brook
but i wanna know 😦
lusty grotto
Hoppyipa
modern brook
put it in a paste bin griff
wind scroll
What do you guys think about prot war + resto druid combo in m+ ?
wind scroll
Have i been with idiots, or is it actually a bad combo?
modern brook
resto is my 2nd prefered healer
prisma crane
personally
wind scroll
Awesome.. clearly i have been with idiots then ^^
modern brook
But tbh THe quality of the healer is more important than their class
prisma crane
i find that walls of text are often very ineffective
modern brook
TBH I just wanna read Griff being right
chilly brook
I swear I get the best YouTube comments
modern brook
vs a man who is very really not right
prisma crane
you'll immediately lose a large portion of your intended audience's attention
modern brook
you also open yourself up to the You're* retort
chilly brook
Speaking of which
lusty grotto
yall need to calm down and let griff do his thing
open bluff
well
chilly brook
Quick maffs prevail
open bluff
he clearly didn't have shield block up, otherwise he would've continued to say you're wrong
chilly brook
Oof
prisma crane
agreed, but a lot of times long responses are full of fluff that doesnt need to be there if you want to prove a person wrong
lusty grotto
victory rush for griff
oblique garnet
Resto is really nice if he knows that we dont actually take that much damage from melee mobs so he can just keep hots on me and go dps
modern brook
^ same with disc
lusty grotto
same with any heals lol
modern brook
yeah but disc and resto actually deal damage
prisma crane
hpal do too
lusty grotto
my crusader strike would like a word
oblique garnet
Holy pala does insane damage
sand egret
resto also provides healing in a way that better compliments our damage i take
prisma crane
monks too
prisma crane
monks fuck me up in pvp
modern brook
whatever 😠
lusty grotto
you know what's funny though, is running hpal with 2 melee... and watching the single ranged get all the volcanic spawn on him
prisma crane
its ok, i'm often wrong
sand egret
any healer with shields also work very well with us due to IP
oblique garnet
But imo my personal preference is playing with holy pala
open bluff
shame that the 371 is because of fathoms 😦
modern brook
@lusty grotto I ran double warrior, dk ,enhance, hpal on an 11 motherload this week
prisma crane
the difference for me is like 4 ilvls
open bluff
i have a 370 rezan's and lion's strength i could use, but fathoms too stronk for derps
modern brook
we chested it
sand egret
i personally like MW then Resto
oblique garnet
Man fuck trying to find a 12+ kr or higher ill just time it next week
lusty grotto
Fortified KR EW
modern brook
how do yall do KR w/o dk's
chilly brook
I wonder how I should chop this comment up without losing the best parts
chilly brook
Oof
oblique garnet
If you have group that knows what they are doing its not that bad
sand egret
you can just CC the shit outta the bridge bull
modern brook
😦
oblique garnet
The problem is getting past the first boss
modern brook
I just remembered its teeming and theres more shit on that bridge
lusty grotto
its funny but, the dk i run keeps telling me that MCing stuff is lower dps than his pet as unholy
thank god he switched to frost
modern brook
We cheese first boss constantly becuase I run with a frost mage often
oblique garnet
What add is he mcing?
lusty grotto
he just MCs and then releases it
lusty grotto
"im just doing this to cc"
modern brook
depending on fort / tyr
oblique garnet
Like i dont understand why is it so hard to take the one talent that makes the dungeon ez (mass root) on a druid when he is the only one that can actually slow the first boss adds
chilly brook
These two are gonna be from the same post:
Not even 10 seconds into the video and you pull the boss at 2 seconds with taunt probably destroying a couple double pots if not all. Hard to keep watching already, eventho I agree with you in some points you seem to be taking the wrong approach to it. Better players on worse classes will always outperform bad ones on better classes (or most of the time). The fact that you are trying to say that people that aren’t getting the prog are just bad and that warrior is fine is just plain wrong. Specially if you are trying to achieve Cutting Edge
I do disagree too with the fact that warriors aren’t suited for M+. Warriors have one of the highest DPS for M+, good surv and strong CDs. The only issue is they don’t have grip. That’s it. Anything for progression is viable which I agree with you there but maiming yourself for the sake of proving a point is just wrong. The same way you don’t see Unholy DK’s or feral druids, or any other class you’d like to put in that bag. People can be better or worse at playing the game what classes mean is that a good player on a good class will always prevail, it’s the flavor of the month, it’s the ignorance of the community call it what you will. I personally play an elemental shaman on progression and my numbers aren’t bad, they could be higher tho if I was playing another class. Simply as that. You focused too much on your point of “this class isn’t dead” and you left the guide outside for the first at least 3 minutes and a half. To add to that the video shows a wiping raid on a puggable boss that holds no importance on the raid whatsoever. If your way to say Prot is not dead for prog is to show a wiping raid and early pulls I urge you to make a new video with a good pull or some good playstyle(you or your groups)
It’s like holy wall of text Batman
lusty grotto
ah yes the whole cutting edge thing discussion bs that i had here the other day
you sure those comments weren't made by Levko?
chilly brook
And it’s hilarious that someone being open about the fact that they’re not perfect is a disqualifier these days for actually making a guide
And God forbid I spend 3 and a half minutes of an over 25 minute video talking about the community perception of a class that overwhelmingly gets told that it’s absolute dog shit
Oh and apparently saying that prot is better suited for raids means I’m saying its cheeks for M+
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
People can be better or worse at playing the game what classes mean is that a good player on a good class will always prevail ....uhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
he's not wrong but...
why would he
chilly brook
I didn’t say he was intelligent
lusty grotto
i don't understand what wiping on a raid has to do with what you're saying
chilly brook
Then again I’m a warrior what do I know about being intelligent? 🙃
lusty grotto
sounds nitpicky, almost autistic nitpicky
chilly brook
That’s because it is
steel mauve
Because obviously the raid wipe was the prot wars fault
steel mauve
And it doesnt look well on a prot guide where the obvious raid wipe due to the prot war is shown
chilly brook
Ruined the pull
steel mauve
Idk people are idiots, and want to nitpick every little detail to prove a point, when they cant do it with standard informatio
oblique garnet
That didnt take 4 hours
steel mauve
First 2 bosses are puggable on mal'ganis
chilly brook
I mean it wasn’t 2 months ago
steel mauve
Have been for about a month or more ya
chilly brook
It’s about a month ago
steel mauve
Mother is really easy, as long as the person in charge can set up an order and they use voice
oblique garnet
Since you made that guide
chilly brook
But tbh even then it’s less about my performance on that wipe and more people screwing up with the rooms
Yea it’ll be a month tomorrow @oblique garnet
steel mauve
Very rarely can the tank fuck up mother and wipe the raid
chilly brook
TBH I felt like Zek was ez too
oblique garnet
Bad strike positioning is about the only way
chilly brook
But I wasn’t able to kill him because everyone else fucked up
oblique garnet
Im struggling on zekvoz since i keep getting the aggro from my cotank
steel mauve
Zek is easy to tank, but weve been stuck on him, had a 20% wipe, but attendance boss is fucking us up
chilly brook
Oof
Now I’m like bench boi as DPS
Who knows maybe they’ll actually pull me in tonight
steel mauve
Last 3 weeks weve lost over 8 of our raiders, still have enough to do mythic IF we have very few post outs
chilly brook
Wellllllll
oblique garnet
Took 3 shatters back to back and lived! AMA
chilly brook
If you ever need a tank 😉
lusty grotto
xrealm mythic is up? i'm game to dps it if you need arms
oblique garnet
It is
modern brook
griff i went to get lunch and i missed your post
I'm reading it now
just a heads up for a necro response
nvm
the guys dumb
nothing to say
uneven mason
about what?
sick sentinel
dunno, i mean i've been playing this damn warrior since BFA launched still kinda low ilvl
would like to be 370
uneven mason
I'd like to be 385 but these mythic bosses hate me
sand egret
everyone moves at a diff pace mate 😃
uneven mason
we'll s ee once I can open my box at home
chilly brook
@modern brook my thoughts exactly lol
vague tendon
Stacking deafening crash worth it for the extra AOE dmg?
uneven mason
you run until you can +3 a key level every time
oblique garnet
Thats why you gotta live the puglife to get some keys done
uneven mason
and I told him I'd tank for him, but I expected him to know the pulls and how to avoid stuff
no gaps in pulls
he quit after we didn't timer the 9
completed it with 4, grabbed a regular, +2d the 8
sick sentinel
it was a relatively easy affix last week, but i got a whole bunch of +6's and +7 WM and +7 UR completed. so i think i'm getting somewhere.
uneven mason
yeah last week I was eating +10s for my guild like pez
oblique garnet
Yeah its a start
next ermine
Last week I don't think I had a single key that didn't +2 starting at 10
sick sentinel
I just don't want to feel like i've let those who are depending on me down.
uneven mason
Basically told folks "Get your carry this week, because next week I'm probably going to do my 11 and then take a nap"
oblique garnet
I loved that everytime we got high manor keys we legit got the best door first and we 2 chested all of them
uneven mason
Late, you can reset the manor run pattern
just go into M0 and reset it
until it goes to the path you want
oblique garnet
Didnt have to
sand egret
is it tied to your layout on m0?
oblique garnet
We got the top left everytime
lavish oracle
Tbh, if I were getting death threats from my guild, I probably wouldn't hang around that guild very long
sand egret
which is the one with the shitty foyer room
sand egret
that's good to know
sand egret
I hate that stupid room
sick sentinel
Is there a way to tell if the witches boss door will be on the ground floor or top floor? I think if it's based on where the which for that one spawns.
sand egret
that the witch just spawns and goes all "HEY ERRYONE, GIT IN HERE"
sick sentinel
because you could waste like 45seconds or more just by traveling
uneven mason
there is one through every entryway
including if you pass the entryway on a different floor
you can see their orbs
sick sentinel
oh okay, so as long as the witch pops up near the entrance keep going that way.
lavish oracle
I think the door on the balcony at the top of the stairs is always open, deathray. So just do a pull route that includes it
The outside balcony, I should say, not the foyer
upper spoke
anything cool from bc tw vendors?
open bluff
a dragonhawk mount
upper spoke
thatd work
vague tendon
anyone out there know of a reputable source for stat weights for prot
steel mauve
There isnt one and there arent any
uneven mason
Tanks don't use weights..those are for DPS
round vortex
Scroll up about 150 messages and Krotos and some nipple dude went at it for a while and came to the conclusions on stat weights. Was worth watching their debate unfold
uneven mason
stack ilvl
round vortex
If you aren’t satisfied with the ilvl > stack haste > rest doesn’t matter then read the above lol
uneven mason
Or stack crit and live the 
life https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png
sick sentinel
Correct me if im wrong but aren't weapons(and shield by extension) not supposed to TF?
next ermine
only warforge
unless you have one from the first weeks
those were able to titanforge by accident
sick sentinel
Well my M+ chest said fuck you, and gave me a 385 Shield with TF on it
tired forge
Damn
next ermine
well it technically is a titanforge
if you did a 10 it wouldve been a 380 shield in the first place
sick sentinel
m+ chests marks everything as TF I think
tired forge
Yes
next ermine
m+ can drop up to 390 weapons from +10
tired forge
Orly?
sick sentinel
I know but I just wanted to make sure im not going crazy
next ermine
the weekly chest that is
next ermine
^
tired forge
Well let's hope I get lucky this week
sick sentinel
well I will never have to do Uldir Mythic now
uneven mason
@sick sentinel How the chests work, is that the BASE Item eve for a 10 is 370, the chest is an assured Warforge (to 380) it can additionally gain up to 10 ilvls on top of that (to 390 cap for weapons/shields)
sick sentinel
Ok
uneven mason
SO it'll say Titanforge
next ermine
ye
uneven mason
but its realy a "Warforged Warforge"
sick sentinel
lol
sick sentinel
I wanted a shield, gloves or cloak to be in my chest
next ermine
i have a 395 belt with a socket from mythic uldie
uneven mason
I've gotten 5 pants
sick sentinel
Since I already have 2 385's
sick sentinel
Now I just need to do M-m-m-m-Mother for her helm
tired forge
Has anyone been playing on ptr?
next ermine
mother is pretty ez
steel mauve
All gear frim the mythic plus chest are titanforges, including weapons and shield, always have been
sick sentinel
I know she is easy, just that I have to hope its her helm and not the belt or ring which would be nice upgrades
steel mauve
And the math they did about secondaries and armor way up there arent stat weights, thats just the benefits of those stats using the spreadsheet in this discord, there is still no accurate way to obtain stat weights for us, offensively or defensively
next ermine
i wish i could get the ring off mother
i still have yet to get it to drop
on heroic or mythic
next ermine
the ravager one?
steel mauve
Crits not a bad stat, just unreliable most of the time where as the other stats are always beneficial
But sacrificing haste probably wont help much
sick sentinel
I have Syring/block at 370
replacing eye/eye for a dungeon or 2
to test it out for myself
see how i like it
daring marlin
I enjoy syringe
It's funny when it procs in raid and it gives me 35% crit cuz of RA
sick sentinel
if they did, they'd also have to buff devastor damage
I would rather have more rage from crits
so that god damn stat is usefull for something
cause that 15% extra damage is really good from BV
next ermine
and with DC
sick sentinel
not much defensively
daring marlin
Even if devastator had the 5 rage on hit
the loss of the 40 rage at the start of a pull would suck
sick sentinel
10 rage per hit
daring marlin
don't shoot for the stars my friend
sick sentinel
and ur aa deal 12k now
daring marlin
gahaha
sick sentinel
The dream
5 rage/hit, 10/crit
or just the vengeance weaving from 7.0... it was fun while it lasted
But Ion is getting boners by putting everything on gcd so that's out of window
next ermine
everything being on the gcd only helps devastator
daring marlin
devaswho?
next ermine
wait are those c oming off gcd?
next ermine
jesus
sick sentinel
Demo shout should be off gcd when you're not using BV
next ermine
about damn time
daring marlin
insanity my friend
daring marlin
yeah
next ermine
thank god
dont have to stand there like an asshole when my raid lead calls for my commanding
sick sentinel
no more wasted rage on AoE :>
next ermine
no matter what spec im in
sick sentinel
more spent rage > less CD on demo > more rage > less CD > more rage.... WE'RE IMMORTAL !
next ermine
im more excited for 2 secs off shield block than ip lol
sick sentinel
I'm jizzing on blockable ranged attacks
sick sentinel
(you know... shield block icon have arrows stuck in it)
I never really understood how the hell you wouldn't be able to block arrows
lavish oracle
Are any of the BT trinkets worth rerolling for?
lavish oracle
I meant the timewalking Black Temple ones
lavish oracle
Nah, I'm running 380 Jes' and 370 Rezan's
next ermine
ya your probably set then till next tier lol
the only trinkets you could get in there is a battlemaster trinket essentially and then madness
which is just crit
so ya
lavish oracle
Wasn't sure how well they scaled the TW effects, though. The Gurtogg one looked like it could be a nice CD
next ermine
its 18,8k hp at 355 ilvl
daring marlin
I mostly roll with syringe/vial im dungeons
lavish oracle
Oh, yeah, 18.8k is nothing
next ermine
i pretty much stick to eye and blockades for now
lavish oracle
I'm still hoping for a 370+ Syringe for dungeon DPS
steel mauve
Hell im rolling for a syringe for raid dps 😉
Got a warforged socketed veiled eye last weekend though, wasnt a fan until it was literally the reason i didnt die on a fight
lavish oracle
I'd be a bigger fan of veiled eye if I didn't have to PUG Mythrax for it 😄
lavish oracle
I know that he is PUGable, its just a pain
sick sentinel
Pug him as a tank
Now u only have to worry about gumballs being taken by everyone
because scary debuff
lavish oracle
For a trinket I'm not crazy about anyways
sick sentinel
I have it fortunately, and a shit ton of other 370's so I can have fun with a lot of trinket setups
Just wish I could get the ondemand haste to TF to 370 and get the 370 on use crit and Ill be good
tired forge
Ghuun heroic? Very puggable
sick sentinel
Everything is puggable, but id chulk it up to heroic aggramar levels of pugging
molten atlas
just got 385 - Lockjaw Shoulderplates, what would be the best traits for that?
sick sentinel
IF
sand egret
damn some DH soloed a +11 AD
sick sentinel
yeah but he tech did it
sand egret
I haven't watched the video, so I gotta see
i doubt its in time
still quite impressive
sick sentinel
Fuck all that noise, I just got my gridrunner helm just now from Mythic M-m-m-m-Mother
sand egret
noice (is that good?)
sick sentinel
Best helm for prots
Brace/Archive with Veins/Visage
Also Gutripper for that extra damage if ur feeling spicy
sand egret
ooh yeah that does sound good. I have 0 knowledge of the raid loot haha
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Just happy I finally got it
and only in two tries
and i didnt even have to BR for it
sand egret
yeah, that's sick. I won't ever see that thing, but definitely seems like a solid piece
sick sentinel
Well its from one of the 2 first bosses
Which are puggable now with x-realm mythics open
daring marlin
@sick sentinel grats bruh
sick sentinel
ty
rocky ledge
boiz... how much does prot gain from our MainHand? I'm aware of the stat differences, but do our dmg abilities (aside from melee's) hit harder with Weapon DPS?
sick sentinel
Gridrunner good CA pvp arms.
ivory barn
FUUUCK YES 40 ilvl upgrade
prisma crane
@rocky ledge it's the single largest contributor to the size of our IP
modern brook
I think everything on prot scales with attack power
at least as far as the spell book goes
prisma crane
yea, but that's based on the STR it provides, which he acknowledged
the dps of our weapon affects our IP a disproportionate amount
as far as damage abilities though, afaik, you only gain from stats as bull mentioned
and ofc ur AAs hit harder
lusty grotto
weekly reminder: if you press Shift + Windows Key + S you can select the a portion of your screen and paste it here - Windows 10 only and it works in Games of course
(Honestly though i can't see shit in those screenshots on my phone)
sand egret
(it appears to be a 390 shield)
only because it's a Mythic X Warforged and it appears to be a two digit number, so I'm going with 380 from chest +10.
sand egret
however upon further inspection, it appears the block value is 4,900ish which is more in line with a 380
lusty grotto
do you still use Windows 7
astral crystal
nah im on 10
astral crystal
when i'm digitalizing documents i use paint 3d
lusty grotto
try it Shift + Windows Key + S
astral crystal
for the easier crop
modern brook
it has a pen tool and a brush tool
lusty grotto
ye
modern brook
I'm famous
sand egret
buy a really fancy camera for your screenshots
steel mauve
Had a guy on my old raid team qho would screenshot but it would take a screen shot of both his monitors and he would paste that trying to relay information
So it was 2 full complete screens side by side
lusty grotto
a guildy did that once during a raid
he had web whatsapp open as he was sexting with someone, complete with pics of both of them
on his 2nd monitor
people obviously saved the screenshots, so deleting the pic didn't do shit lol
that was during legion, when we last raided as a guild
i miss raiding with non-pugs
modern brook
man what are you going to do with some one elses sexts
lusty grotto
Well it's still private so
lusty grotto
Glgl
dapper sky
Seems like you spend more time looking for a guild than in one.
sand egret
come to the dark side Griff
zinc mauve
i got a helmet that has callous reprisal, ablative shielding, and bury the hatchet; 15 ilvl upgrade but these traits are so bad except ablative shielding
i suppose bury the hatchet is good for explosive weeks
zinc mauve
i mean its better than the other week where i got a titanforged big red button
im still mad about that
ember arrow
good ST dps trinket
zinc mauve
one of my guildies got this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429419074049540097/511938664608301081/unknown.png
talk about winning the lottery
sand egret
if that was a shield
zinc mauve
ikr
zinc mauve
i bet that hot boi is gonna titan forge for you bro
im trying to figure out how good archive of the titans is outside of uldir
sand egret
be extra spicy comin outta that box
from what i've heard its solid/not bad/not worth to like respec out of it
zinc mauve
well im gaining 15 ilvls by dropping it outside of uldir so i think its worth it
sand egret
oh is this on your az piece?
zinc mauve
yeah
sand egret
the one you mentioned above?
deft hinge
easy drop
sand egret
yeah take it over CR id say