protection

[uneven mason]

because yeah right now you can 100% ingore bone armor

[neon tangle]

eh, it's still a big chunk of armor

[uneven mason]

to a point

[neon tangle]

and 10% haste

[uneven mason]

yea it is, its getting even bigger

but the whole runic power cycle

[neon tangle]

and REALLY easy to keep up

[open bluff]

bone shield right now brings my bdk up to the same amount of passive armor my pally has at the same ilvl

[sharp dew]

@uneven mason yeah that’s def some good self healing then haha

[frosty wedge]

umm, I get trucked without bone armor up

[neon tangle]

Get prepped to get trucked even harder!

[frosty wedge]

bone shield*

haha, I learned b/c I was getting trucked, to always have that shit up

[neon tangle]

but honestly it's a non-nerf, idk how BDK could let that buff drop

REALLY bad rune managment I guess

[primal crypt]

it's impossible

you literally have to not press marrowrend

ever

only then will it drop off

when you never press it

[uneven mason]

it rolls off if you're tanking a lot of targets

like say, doing a BD pull

and then Bonestorming

more or less, they're trying to reduce the size of the pulls BDK can do over other tanks

its not going to be a super impactful change

[neon tangle]

Eh, there's a ICD on it dropping off

[uneven mason]

but its going to impact that 1% of players who were doing it

the ICD is short enough that a pull of 20 mobs will eat it

before bonestorm ends

and you won't have the runes to continually maintain it

like I said

its not going to be a giant nerf

its going to be something at affects hardly anyone

[neon tangle]

I mean, you can punch marrowrend while bonestorm is happening

[uneven mason]

right

[primal crypt]

^

Like I said

have to never push it

[uneven mason]

but you're going to run out of runes trying to maintain it

[primal crypt]

once

oh in the fix?

[uneven mason]

yeah

[primal crypt]

in 8.1?

gg

LUL

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

its a perceived change

possibly not a literal one

its going to treat only the extremes of hte extreme

[neon tangle]

the real nerf is WotN

[uneven mason]

yeah

if only warriors had something that make us stronger at low health...

Like, Absorbs AND HEALING on you is increased by your missing health

Never Surrender - what could have been.

[worthy dagger]

Never Surrender 💩

maybe with IP off the GCD it will be viable

[sand egret]

which would imply not having Bolster. 🤔

[astral crystal]

it wont

simply because you need to have 0 health to reach maximum efficiency for it

[uneven mason]

NS is still really bad

with IP off GCD

because of how it scales

if it did all absorbs and healing

it'd be pretty solid

even vs Bolster

it would make us more of a passive tank

[fringe marten]

if healing on us scaled from outside sources the lower our HP was...that'd be sick AF

[uneven mason]

I mean

every other tank more or less has a way of easing healer reaction time

reactive method

[fringe marten]

we do too...it's called playing warrior properly.

[uneven mason]

*reactive

[fringe marten]

and not running LIKE A LIL BITCH at the club -Pilav 2018

actually I think that vid was from 2017

"ok we got ursols up and rop...you can kite if you want" "you think I played a warrior to kite...?"

...unless of course it's like a 15 shrine of the storms, like fortified or bolstering or something...and there's like 3/4 tidecasters. Then I'm running like a terrified child.

[oblique garnet]

or shadow of zul

Even the allmighty sense was running away from that monstrosity

[sand egret]

well I think Resto Shaman would be salty/ecstatic depending on how NS would scale with their mastery in that scenario.

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I kinda flip back and forth on how much I like the 100% proactive style

it's cool when you get lashed and take ~zero damage on zek

Kinda feels like 95% of the time tho you're not really doing much

[chrome falcon]

anyone know which boss we skip in freehold this week? (eu)

[neon tangle]

or rather, the stuff you are doing doesn't matter? idk

[chrome falcon]

as in, which one is inactive

[uneven mason]

Fortified week do it hard mode

eaier to skip the trash and deal with all 3 bosses

Or by this week do you mean

the current pre reset week

which the answer is the brew buddy

Sword lady and Shooter girl are active

which makes that fight fun on TYrannical

[oblique garnet]

@chrome falcon The drinking one

as in you get eudora and the dashing one

[uneven mason]

so next week should be the dog wit hthe key

Captain Jolly

[remote patio]

hey guys im like kinda shit tank how do i get better am i better off getting used to tanking in like heroics or should i be like doing content thats as hard as i can cmplete?

[plain ice]

depends on who you're playing with and how badly you want to be flamed/criticized by pugs

[sand egret]

step 1: go to the tanking dummy

[remote patio]

id be like solo pug

[sand egret]

step 2: last as long as you can and focus on two things 1) what you're pressing. Make a mental note of the decisions your making. 2) try and keep SB up as much as you can

before any content, you need to be comfortable with your button presses in a given moment. means less panics/mistakes. Something we're punished heavily for as a class

you'll get a lot of answers and links to guides or do X build etc. but that doesn't mean diddly squat if you're not comfortable with how prot plays

[uneven mason]

I mean, BLade

I'd start him off with reading the pins

😉

THne move to the rotation part

because learning the rotation by feel, without knowing it 😄

is how you have tanks who walk in using Indom, HR, and Devastator

[sand egret]

I'd argue a lot of the content in the pins doesn't mean much if you don't get the context in which they are attributed to

[uneven mason]

because they "feel better"

right, but you need the information before you can put it in context

[sand egret]

but yes, the pins are a good way to start off on the right foot

chicken or the egg really

[plain ice]

you forgot ravager @uneven mason

[remote patio]

haha im actually using ravager rn

[sand egret]

ahem

dont

definitely look at the pins

it'll set you up with a build, which is what you'll be using for the forseeable future haha

[remote patio]

so im like fully heroic geared besides my weapons and im like just running around in heroics dpsing O_O

like iwanna make the move to more challenging stuff like m+

[sand egret]

you should be fine for M0's or +2s to cut your teeth

bonus points if you can find groups that aren't "go go go" ones. I exclusively pug M+ so when I had to learn my pathing I did it by running lower level keys with newer players who didn't mind if I pulled slower

[signal plover]

I mean, they'll get extra cut if using ravager

[sand egret]

well i bet once he swaps to "The Build" he'll find a larger boost in his general survival

plus Mythic-only mechanics are something to be learned

[uneven mason]

@remote patio word of wisdom - Mythic + becomes far more about what you know, than what your gear is...gear is important, but you can be 375 and still flub the timer on a trivial key because folks don't know wtf they're doing.

[sand egret]

likewise, you can do harder stuff with a good plan/approach

[uneven mason]

^^

like I did my first +10 at 336ilvl

I tell that to folks and they turn white in the face

[sand egret]

that musta been fun on your healer

[uneven mason]

Healing? bro I kited that shit

[frosty wedge]

they were also probably ilvl 340ish, lol

[uneven mason]

but healer was only 341

[sand egret]

did you just MD/Tricks everything?

[uneven mason]

I had shit luck on trinkets and weapon

[frosty wedge]

I did my first 10 at around 345 or so with a similarly geared group

[uneven mason]

I Shield walled or last standed and bootyclapped for aggro then lept out

[sand egret]

yeah, I can see that

[uneven mason]

I played peekaboo with casters

I puckered my butt up for bosses

it was a ML

I didn't timer it

[sand egret]

haha bet that 2nd boss was a treat

[uneven mason]

he wasn't hard

the 3rd boss

[sand egret]

i hate that lady

[uneven mason]

was pretty bad

[sand egret]

wait, lady is 3rd or 2nd

[uneven mason]

2nd boss is rock dude ( I know he doesn't feel bossy)

[sand egret]

OH yes

[neon tangle]

I mean, my group failed a couple +10's with the affixes this week

[sand egret]

the lady gobbo

she sucks

[frosty wedge]

yeah 3rd boss would be bad b/c magic dmg

[remote patio]

so you guys reckon i should smash some +2s or something

[neon tangle]

because they couldn't kill the ghuun mobs

[frosty wedge]

:/

[sand egret]

if only that "shoot" was physical....

yeah definitely hop into some low keys mate

expect to fail

[neon tangle]

^^^ only way to do it

[uneven mason]

@remote patio Yes, do low keys, learn the routs and the mechanics

[sand egret]

but practice

[remote patio]

ty for help guys 😃

[sand egret]

remember

SHIELD BLOCK

[uneven mason]

Mechanics and mob pulls stay the same throughout key levels

[remote patio]

like i know most of the dps mechanics

[uneven mason]

first

read the IV guide

twice

[sand egret]

first spec right

[uneven mason]

especially the mistakes

[sand egret]

so check them pins

then, get on the group and start taking hits

[remote patio]

the icy veins guide on point?

[sand egret]

yep

stuff in the pins is good to follow

slash updated etc.

[neon tangle]

If you can, I'd start trying tonight 😛

affixes next week are gonna be real punishing

and start... tomorrow

[sand egret]

well if he's starting low then it's really just fortifying

[neon tangle]

My 3 key this week turned in to a 10 realllllll quick

[sand egret]

which, may be a blessing in disguise, since it promotes respect for trash

M+ is all about respecting that trash

[remote patio]

but i am the trash

haah

[sand egret]

mr water bolt early on turns into tactical nuke later

[neon tangle]

lvl 4 gets you teeming already, and that's.... ooof on some packs

[sand egret]

promotes CC-habits!

[remote patio]

aight ill give it a geez

ty guys

[sand egret]

gl

[neon tangle]

also

don't be afraid to kite

lots of tanks think you gotta face-tank everything

[vocal nimbus]

kite is life

[neon tangle]

Just don't do what I do

and leap in to more mobs

constantly

[uneven mason]

I use intercepting new packs as a way to get away from the wave of death I've pulled already

my healers love me

2 charges and a leap puts a lot of distance between you and that wave of Gib on your ass

[neon tangle]

Like drinking more to get rid of a hangover

[uneven mason]

^^\

its true

I do that as well.

[sand egret]

so basically, your own personal Reaping affix

[lavish oracle]

I charge to my ranged dps or healer to kite mostly

And leap back to where I was when the mob gets close

What are the easy teeming dungeons next week? Siege, Atal, Temple...anything else that's relatively unaffected by teeming?

[reef fulcrum]

stay away from underrot haha

[lavish oracle]

Well Underrot I'm definitely avoiding because my regular group is all melee and the last boss is a pain with explosive

[flat saddle]

So I'm looking to pick back up my warrior, any reason Prot isn't listed on BloodMallet.com?

[ember arrow]

prot sims arent implemented

at least they werent when i still played

[plain ice]

levko, going to come back for 8.1 man?

[ember arrow]

i dont think so

maybe i will try out warr, since the changes, while relatively minor, will be a massive QOL change

although im not sure its worth, since rng loot discourages me from playing

[brittle timber]

azerite currency

[lavish oracle]

I mean, they're letting us buy specific azerite pieces

so there's that

[ember arrow]

yea

but tittyforging

still a thing

no ml

bad wq

[sick sentinel]

U think u want old loot system

[ember arrow]

i got this rant many times now

[sick sentinel]

BUt u dont

[ember arrow]

u get the point

[lavish oracle]

Eh, I don't see a huge issue with titanforging

[ember arrow]

@lavish oracle imagine this

[lavish oracle]

I wouldn't like...farm world quests hoping for it

[ember arrow]

u studied for a test

got a D

[sick sentinel]

Shut up levko

[ember arrow]

but a guy got an F

that TF to an A

[sick sentinel]

Nixxom said it and it was still dumb

[ember arrow]

who

idk who that is

[lavish oracle]

It doesn't really strike me as the same

[sick sentinel]

Yeah because u just made it

[ember arrow]

it is the same

u get loot u havent earned

or u do hard content

and dont get rewarded

[sick sentinel]

It sadly isnt

Better examples exist and that is a shit one

[lavish oracle]

I guess the stakes are completely different in a test

[ember arrow]

you disagreeing doesnt make it shit or good

im just saying it sucks

[lavish oracle]

That's fair, you're entitled to an opinion

[ember arrow]

my comparison was just to add context

[lavish oracle]

doesn't bother me

[sick sentinel]

U having a shitty example doesn't help ur point

I hate WF/TF but i wouldn't use a shit example like that

[lavish oracle]

@sick sentinel You're being kinda a jerk about a pretty minor disagreement of opinions

chill

[ember arrow]

i hate it too, so instead of thinking of a good example

i unsubbed

[sick sentinel]

That's fine

[ember arrow]

much easier

he can be a dick idc, sticks and stones etc

i hate that i can do a +15 and get no loot

while mister lfr raider does a +5 gets a TF 395

its unlikely, but it can happen

also, no ways to show off ur achievements in wow

i dont mean the achievements bliz added, but no more unique stuff to work towards it feels like

[stark sage]

pretty much the only self achievement that feels meaningful is parses

[ember arrow]

yea

[lavish oracle]

I enjoy the .io score grind

but maybe I'm a masochist

[ember arrow]

i dont like classes in bfa, then everything else crumbles

[sick sentinel]

.io is just raid parses

[ember arrow]

thats why i stopped

[stark sage]

i mean chasing a leaderboard for the sake of the leaderboard is pretty fun, but its not the game that is doing it for you

[sick sentinel]

But for dungeons

[ember arrow]

correct keladan

its not like u can see ingame what ur score is, other than with the addon

u wont het a mount

pet, idk

nothing

transmog

[stark sage]

like if logs didnt have percentile ranks, i would have probably not come back to legion after wod

since the game is pretty boring otherwise

[sick sentinel]

People don't like grinding with nothing noticeable to show for it

[ember arrow]

^

[lavish oracle]

I'm just annoyed that they're waiting so long for the next raid tier, we had ToV by this time last xpac

[ember arrow]

i want to look at someone with the sword of no life

and want to farm it

thats how it shoud work

thinking "wow i wanna be this cool"

or whatever

not "oh he got 3 395 pieces"

ok then

[stark sage]

tbh there isnt never an item like that in the first raid tier

[ember arrow]

im talking in general in wow

not specifically uldir

[stark sage]

sure, but its possible in 8.3 blizz adds something like you are asking for

[ember arrow]

i dont count 1% drop mounts/mogs

since its rng

[lavish oracle]

I definitely have friends that only resub during the last tier of an expansion

[stark sage]

yeah catch up is so easy you can totally do that

[ember arrow]

i want the journey to be enjoyable

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, it makes sense if you just wanna experience all the content of an expansion without having it fed piecemeal to you

[ember arrow]

like i have 1500 hours in xcom 2

i didnt finish it

once

the destination may be awesome, but if gettign there is easy or too fast

then whats the point

like, wqs or EN wasnt great, but classes felt more fluid to play, or maybe its nostalgia idk

[lavish oracle]

Warrior feels great to me, at the moment but I think I might be the only one who thinks that 😄

[ember arrow]

you played in legion?

im mostly comparing to legion, losing all the traits/perks etc

[lavish oracle]

I played warrior until 7.1.5 and devestator felt like complete garbage

so I switched to bear

[ember arrow]

you missed the good part

😃

[lavish oracle]

Yeah that seems like the general consensus

Oh well, I liked bear

And it gave me a reason to level another tank

[ember arrow]

i will try 8.1 few days i think and will see

[bitter willow]

What's the "best" WeakAura string to use? I see Luxthos is popular but there is like 6 different types and despite their names i can't tell how they're different.

They have the same descriptions, the same images, etc.

[neon tangle]

@ember arrow I do think that blizz didn't nail the feel of a lot of classes very well this xpac

which I think a lot of people mistake for issues with pruning

[ember arrow]

well

if the classes arent fun to play

literally everytihng else is irrelevant for me

[neon tangle]

@bitter willow I use no weakauras, behold my glory

[bitter willow]

Thank you sadbox. That is not at all helpful! 😛

[ember arrow]

well, WAs are personal preference

but what is a wa string?

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, I'd wait until 8.1.5, that way you at least have new content to do with the changes

[ember arrow]

you want to create one?

[neon tangle]

@bitter willow honest answer, I would just use the block and IP WA from the pins

Every all-in-one WA I've seen is a wacky explosion of lights that doesn't help me know what to press

[bitter willow]

from the pins? What's that?

you mean int he guides ressources faq?

[neon tangle]

top right, looks like a pushpin icon

In the pinned message w/ the icy veins guide link and stuff there's a couple links to weak auras

[ember arrow]

next to the "search"button

[neon tangle]

or if you're on mobile... hit the name of the channel, and "pinned messages" is in that menu

[bitter willow]

ah thanks

[oblique garnet]

Sense has really clean weakauras for everything but block

Well the bolstering talent i mean

[wicked trail]

is wow analyzer borked for prot?

[remote patio]

well i did a +2 and a +4

[steel mauve]

wow analyzer hasnt been updated since like 7.2.5 or some thing i think

[chilly brook]

@lavish oracle no you’re not alone I enjoy current prot a lot

TBH better than legion

The big problem is the tuning could obviously be better but it’s not horrible

[steel mauve]

im having fun with prot, doesnt bother me much at all

[merry cave]

A lot more fun than bdk and monk

[full spruce]

I have fun playing all 6

[sick sentinel]

Intercept life, gtfo ez after CD rotation done.

Dps clean up as you leap/kite

Rinse repeat

[primal crypt]

into the afterlife #stanlee

rest in rip

@lavish oracle definitely not alone, I swapped from my bdk to warrior

[oblique garnet]

The feeling you get when random pugs go from "Yikes prot warrior" to "please stay for another" after an m+

[primal crypt]

My favorite, "You're the most op tank I've seen to date"

That was in waycrest when I didn't use the fire to reset stacks on treeboi

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i tested that this week

You can still do it in +13

But not on 14

Helps if youre calling for externals

Without bl tho

[sand egret]

Treeboi is my fav

just flex on em

because you get to a certain point where you reveal if your healer is the "fuck yeah finally, let's do this" or the "omg omg omg you're gonna dieeee" type real fast.

[merry cave]

I usually do one reset on 13/14 just because healers apparently have a full heart attack when I don't 🤔

[sand egret]

and that's when you hit critical mass when Treeboi drops the Firebro Posse and your healer 100% will get the thorns

so the healer just NOPES

[oblique garnet]

I was on discord with my holy pally friend and the other people were calling me to move the boss meanwhile we were laughing and rotating our cds

[sand egret]

and is like you're in this one now son

Treeboi builds friendships man

and makes your dps shit themselves

best boss.

[oblique garnet]

I had a dh yelling me to kite when i was doing freehold 14 while i was full hp like cmon i can just block all of their attacks why are you worried

[sand egret]

lol yeah....

i had a dh GRIP shit off of me because he was flipping out

err

dk

[oblique garnet]

Yeah dps panic is the best xD

They just assume warrior tanks will die

[sand egret]

when your healer is like "bro chill, i havent dropped below 80% mana" is the best

[oblique garnet]

Ye xD

Just finished fh 10 and the resto druid was like man i only have 20 mana buns i wonder if its enough

He used one

Like cmon bruh

[sand egret]

lol

funny story, my IV at one point had more healing than my Restos Rejuv

[oblique garnet]

You have 2?

[sand egret]

I asked him why and he was like, "eh, I just stopped hotting you"

yeah 😃

[oblique garnet]

Nice

[sand egret]

got a BFI/IV one

puts me at 2x BFI/1x DC

which just makes me feel good

nice and round

[oblique garnet]

I have the mythic motherhelm and then dc and bfi

[sand egret]

1/1/1 irks my OCD

[lavish oracle]

How are y'all keeping block up for treeboi to 70+ stacks? I can get to about 60 but then I have to take a gap in mitigation somewhere. Are you holding block charges?

[oblique garnet]

Idk im running archive on m+ feels better

[sand egret]

the key is your healer

[oblique garnet]

Call for externals if youre on comms

Like i just called for sac when i had a gap

[sand egret]

or like me just believe in your PUGS

builds trust, mate

[lavish oracle]

lol, I will never trust PUGs, I always get burnt :c

[sand egret]

so I purposefully take a unblocked crush midway through to jolt my pug into using a cd

then I bank SB charges

[oblique garnet]

Living life on the edge

[sand egret]

PUGlife man

i should write a blog on my pug strats haha

[lavish oracle]

I could definitely see saving SB charges for ~15 or so stacks working but I haven't tried it

[sand egret]

half the hardpart about pugging higher keys is the pugs themselves

I don't need much time, tbh

[oblique garnet]

How do you handle kings rest pugs?

[sand egret]

ohhh this one is great

[oblique garnet]

My key went from 14 to 11 real quick

[lavish oracle]

I just don't PUG king's rest 😛

[oblique garnet]

I need the score to be nr1 on draenor

[sand egret]

a) you need a Boomie & The Tree Amigos

b) get a Hunter

[oblique garnet]

Its the only one i havent timed on 10+ or higher

[sand egret]

c) profit

if its fortified, make sure you have a DK

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[sand egret]

or a priest

people sleep on shackle undead

[oblique garnet]

But like how do i stop the pugs from fucking up the golds

[sand egret]

the 1st boss is the hardest

thats why you get a Boomie

[merry cave]

Kr is the only time I've ever thought fuck I wish I was belf

[oblique garnet]

1.1k io players cant do the golds properly and theres always 1-2 coming from the otherside and fucking over the first boss which causes atleast one guy to leave and ruining the key

[sand egret]

use a raid marker on the stairs

[merry cave]

Even though I hate belf

[sand egret]

instruct boomie to mass entangle

then pray

meh

I just mong on those adds with zerker rage

they usually dead by the time it ends

if not shockwave > fuck off

[oblique garnet]

It was fun watching sense try to do 18kr

It was going really well up until zul

[sand egret]

he's a dick

[oblique garnet]

Hm?

[sand egret]

Zul, that is

[oblique garnet]

Oh

[sand egret]

XD

[oblique garnet]

Yeah they didnt have soothe so the zul just one shotted everyone xD

[sand egret]

hunter be clutch!

[oblique garnet]

Hunter or druid would have probably saved the key and they would have timed it

[amber apex]

is vanquished tendril of ghuun or vial of animated blood good for prot tank

[sand egret]

yeah, Zul is where a cooldown like Life Cocoon really shines when you slap an IP on it

[oblique garnet]

Vial is tendril isnt

[amber apex]

but vial is?

wait

i read that stuipd

i got brain worms

[sand egret]

vial is on demand str, tendril is a bro that just chills

[oblique garnet]

Unless they have buffed tendril its garbage

[amber apex]

would you use vial over disc or syringe?

[oblique garnet]

What ilvl

[amber apex]

(i main fury, but am relearning prot)

vial is 365, syringe is 375, and disc is 370

[oblique garnet]

So your current is syringe and disc?

[amber apex]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Id probably change disc

To vial

And just macro it with avatar

[amber apex]

so it's been a while and a lot of things have changed since the last time i used macros(cataclysm)

[frigid spire]

what % haste should i hold at

[amber apex]

will macro use them both even if they are both on GCD?

[deft hinge]

yeah, macro will use them both

[amber apex]

ok, cool thanks

[deft hinge]

"/cast avatar /use 14"

[amber apex]

just what i was getting ready to look up

ty

[steel mauve]

trinkets arent on gcd so they can be used with an ability

[deft hinge]

14 is the bottom trinket slot, btw

[amber apex]

yea i took a seven year break from wow

[steel mauve]

and we dont hold at any % haste, we just get as much as we can with out sacrificing ilvl

[amber apex]

and a LOT has changed

fury was really easy to pick back up

prot is gonna take a little bit

[sand egret]

super fun

[oblique garnet]

It is

Just dont dump all your rage on ip

[sand egret]

feels good once you get the hang of it

[amber apex]

i just wish it was more viable at higher mythics

it doesn't look like they gave prot very much protection for themselves

[oblique garnet]

Huh?

[sand egret]

eh, unless you're going to like 18 and shit

that statement isn't true

[steel mauve]

it is viable at higher mythics

[sand egret]

and even then

[amber apex]

i just know they are at the bottom of the list currently

[deft hinge]

"everyone is typing"

[sand egret]

exactly

[steel mauve]

and we have pl;enty of protection, the thing we lack for M+ is utility

[chrome falcon]

they're at the bottom of the list because of community perception

ok so here's the thing

[sand egret]

well I put Coffee ice cream at the bottom of my list...

[chrome falcon]

the people pushing +19 are the best players in the world

[steel mauve]

bottom of list doesnt mean bad, especially defensively, we only lack utility mostly

[chrome falcon]

why would the best players in the world play anything even SLIGHTLY worse than the best

[oblique garnet]

Mattacate did you push keys this week?

[amber apex]

yea that makes sense, CE is always going to go with the meta

[sand egret]

haha yeah the protection department is where we shine

[chrome falcon]

things like this are massively blown out of proportion because again, even if it's only slightly better, the best players will plawy it

nah late i've kinda stopped pushing until reaping comes out

infested tilts me on too many affixes

[sand egret]

it's the extra utility that is a huge factor in the highest end

that is where we don't match up

[amber apex]

and DH is kinda what everyone is flocking to

[oblique garnet]

This week was hella free

[sand egret]

BDK is king

[chrome falcon]

yeah i did a 15 and we're trying a 16 tomorrow

[amber apex]

yea BDK and unholy are a nasty combo

[chrome falcon]

but not going super high or anything

[oblique garnet]

Got couple of 15+ done and then ended up with 16+ shrine

[chrome falcon]

everyone in my m+ group plays total war warhammer and it got a new DLC this week

so we haven't playd much

we're all kinda raid logging atm, happens when the new patch fixes a lot of live issues

makes live feel even worse

[sand egret]

correct me if i'm wrong, but the ammo that the last boss in TD uses are temp buffs that, when overlapping, are the highest points of damage right?

[chrome falcon]

not really

the highest points of damage are when he does 2 explosive bursts in a row

[oblique garnet]

It does damage???

[chrome falcon]

when he has the fire ammo

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah that hurts

[chrome falcon]

you get 2 stacks of the dot in quick succession

[sand egret]

ahh, that explains it

[chrome falcon]

it's RNG

[sand egret]

so he does 2x during the explosive ammo part?

[chrome falcon]

sometimes it happens 5 times in a row and it's unhealable

sometimes he never does it and it's a free boss

[sand egret]

hmm that explains a lot

[chrome falcon]

normally my group just decides that i rally the first time it happens

second time is healer CDs

[oblique garnet]

But nothing else on that boss really hurts

[chrome falcon]

third time is personals

it's a joke boss until the double stacks at which point it's stupid hard

[sand egret]

ok that does explain the damage I was seeing

very much a snore until it's like OH SHIT

but even that wasn't consistent

[oblique garnet]

Yeah if everyone knows what to do its a joke

The 3rd boss on tol dagor is a wild one with pug groups

[sand egret]

yeah that boss, galv, and the gold dragon in KR are my biggest PUGblockers

on Tryannical

[oblique garnet]

Nah galv is fine on pugs

2nd boss of shrine on the otherhand

[sand egret]

Hmm yeah...I don't have too much trouble with that one, tbh

[oblique garnet]

So you get pug groups that can coordinate interrupts ?

[deft hinge]

hah

[sand egret]

honestly, better than standing in the beams

the key is to put yourself first, then play chicken with em

and just calling it

I have target markers that i tag the boss with to show who's interrupting

"Rogue is X, DH is Triangle, I'm Skull", etc.

[deft hinge]

fancy

[sand egret]

there are people literally playing this game blind, some with like 1 hand, and shit and crushing it. Sometimes you just need the right tools to make it happen. 😃

[frigid spire]

for the stats for prot warrior what is the haste cap?

[oblique garnet]

Is there a cap?

Because im currently sitting at 50% haste in uldir

[worthy dagger]

I still dont know if the BV +% damage stacks with azerite DC

[brittle timber]

As long as they have the demo shout debuff, you're doing more damage.

[onyx vessel]

Which if done right has higher uptime then shield block lol

[sick sentinel]

@lavish oracle I just reset stacks at half health

Yeah I know it's pussymode but I don't wanna burn the key either

[worthy snow]

m+ talents?

[sick sentinel]

Same as always

We literally never change talents

[lucid kelp]

I do sometimes.....rarely...for like...an achievement run once...

so not in M+..Xd

[sick sentinel]

@worthy snow

1/(1 or 2)/2/3/(2 or 3)/1/1

The second and fifth row is actual personal preference

1/1/2/3/2/1/1

Is what I use

But I am really missing that sweet sweet HC leap cd

[zinc mauve]

Ok so apparently, Eudora's Powder shot can be intercepted since it count as an attack as expected. Intercept it before it goes off if it's on your healer on high key tyrannical. Your healer may be able to tank one, but if Eudora decides to do it again (which she does all the time for me) your healer is definitely dead if they didnt die from the first one unless they use their externals on themself.

With a disc priest, i had to intercept my healer to make sure they didn't die on a +14 key.

[sharp raptor]

What's the ICD at which point a boss becomes taunt immune?
can a MT spam taunt for aggro and not make him immune?

[strange scaffold]

Target will become immune after 5 taunts. Resets if no taunts have occurred in 15 seconds.

Some bosses (like Vectis) have no DR

[open bluff]

370 rezan's

[daring marlin]

[open bluff]

only problem is 380 big red button and fathoms

[frosty knot]

Why we use strength flask instead of stamina flask?

[lavish oracle]

Because with Vanguard it also increases armor, parry chance, and attack power

[sick sentinel]

I dont think Vanguard increases our parry chance

[lavish oracle]

Nah, it does that base

Vanguard is only responsible for the armor

[sick sentinel]

Im confused, are you saying strength base increases our parry chance?

Because I think you mean crit does

[lavish oracle]

Strength does as well iirc, scroll over it in the character screen

[sick sentinel]

Huh, I never knew that

[lavish oracle]

Stamina flasks are probably better overall for pure survivability but strength flasks offer a big enough bonus to survivability and damage that it's worth using if you're not having too much trouble surviving

[modest wedge]

More stamina is just more for healers to heal. In the long run you help your healers by just going strength

[topaz ember]

Stamina flasks are only good if you are in danger of getting 1 shot

also you should switch to a dps spec when you eat feasts for more strength if you are not already

[modest wedge]

that i did not know, nice

[chilly brook]

That's a big oof

[amber siren]

Stagger doesn't work on magic does it?

I think

[ionic fern]

It does - just reduced effectievness

[amber siren]

oh yeah that's right

anyway the first paragraph alone is a big

[open bluff]

"thrash isn't an auto so no shield block"

the fuck did i just read 🤔

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[stone crag]

yikes

[sick sentinel]

My brain

[mortal carbon]

5 iq boi

[stone crag]

that last paragraph isn't necessarily wrong either, just starts out being retarded

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[waxen cradle]

confirmed I just read a rough comparison to the Billy Madison movie after he explains the Industrial Revolution and the judge tells him how wrong he is

[chilly brook]

it gets worse

[open bluff]

oh god why

[amber siren]

monkaS

[open bluff]

regretting shield block
ranking druids #2

this guy's... something

[chilly brook]

lmao

I'm trying to be nice

[open bluff]

he doesn't deserve it

[chilly brook]

And explain why he's wrong objectively

But he doesn't get it

[open bluff]

besides, it's your own damn fault for venturing into the shadow realm comments section of a youtube video

[chilly brook]

It hurts me on a deep level

I mean it's my video lol

What kind of scum would I be if I didn't reply to a non flaming question on my own video guide

[open bluff]

"maybe if you actually used shield block properly, you'd have taken a few less hits to the head"

would be how i'd respond to something as stupid as that

[sick sentinel]

what video

i'll flame him for you 😛

[waxen cradle]

You should just say " Sir nothing you said during your incoherent rambling was in any way a correct response let alone a rational thought.... we are all now dumber for having read it... therefore I reward you no points and may god have mercy on your soul"

[chilly brook]

lul

[open bluff]

just respond with a youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeskbiJjCXI

[waxen cradle]

Merry Christmas the shitty was full

[chilly brook]

I mean we can see who drank the method sco koolaid

[sick sentinel]

Pretty sure sco didn't have guardian 2nd

[chilly brook]

He did

Back before BFA dropped

[open bluff]

sco's the reason "prot sux" iirc

[chilly brook]

Somewhat yea

It doesn't help when the most prevalent tank in the game as far as community perception is concerned equates prot warrior as the second biggest challenge behind M ghuun

[open bluff]

well

they're not entirely wrong if you think about it

non-tanks think tanking is hard

non-prot warriors think prot is hard

a*b = omegahard

even though i actually feel sturdier on my prot warr than my bdk or pally lul

[oblique garnet]

@chilly brook Wait is that mans for reals?

[rapid trench]

It might be that youre worse at dk and pally than at warrior

[ionic fern]

^

[merry cave]

I feel sturdier/consistent on orot over dk too, my dk definitely spikes harder

Just had the heals to cover

Has*

[chilly brook]

@oblique garnet pretty sure he's for real

[sick sentinel]

Man what the hell did I just read

This guy's has some grudge or something against auto attacks

[quiet crane]

“ maybe if you actually used shield block properly you’d have taken a few less hits to the head” sounds accurate and fucking hilarious response 😂 good shit @open bluff

[sick sentinel]

Also that right there, prime example of a person who has never a) played more than 1 class and b) played more than 1 role type

[rough egret]

Can someone share me that video from the savage korean prot warr with 4dps in WM plese? :)

Thx :)

[oblique garnet]

@chilly brook jesus that man is dense

Like sure on zul you might spam the fuck out of IP to survive the dot when youre not tanking but you will still keep Sb up

[copper pewter]

@rough egret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_66CXYQtyg&t=75s&index=2&list=FLKDhC849l88wyECVGcohjGA This one?

[zinc mauve]

@copper pewter i was wondering how he was doing it then i realized it was explosive

stil hardcore tho

[copper pewter]

Yeah, even with explosive it's crazy haha

[oblique garnet]

He did that with 340 shoulders aswell

[wintry ermine]

on mythic zul, are you guys the ones doing the crawg kiting?

I see boost doing that

well, looking at warcraftlogs I see most prot warriors doing that

[zinc creek]

so I came back to my warrior, was playing my brm. It feels that it is more sturdier. I'm not sure if it's the comp or the healers, but it seems like i miss playing my warrior

[chilly brook]

@quiet crane could just be that you got gud 😛

@oblique garnet yea definitely interesting to say the least....

[oblique garnet]

Like damn acting out like an expert because sco said things based on ptr

[strong forum]

@wintry ermine you don't kite crawgs as prot, you just tank them on top of zul

[wintry ermine]

Huh. okey

[strong forum]

And get dem juicy logs aswell :^)

[wintry ermine]

they don't do too much damage to us if we facetank them?

and the first wave doesn't just die?

[strong forum]

1st wave you tank outside of zul, when 2nd wave spawns you stack on boss

[wintry ermine]

aight

[strong forum]

And then go ham

[wintry ermine]

and the damage is manageable?

[strong forum]

If you don't overlap blocks and the crawgs keep dying at different times

[wintry ermine]

seems legit

any video of it? all videos I see of m-zul is using a DH kiting

[strong forum]

I didn't record my kill

So idk

1 of my guild streamed it, but he's ele sham

[oblique garnet]

There might be some vod from snse or marok or lala

[wintry ermine]

thats fine if you can find the vod 😄

[oblique garnet]

On their twitch

[wintry ermine]

ill try to find that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a02NAupp3YM seems like it

[strong forum]

http://www.twitch.tv/cl_ogar0/v/334625256?sr=a&t=7193s

That's our first kill

Ele sham pov and me tanking crawgs after 2nd wave

[chilly brook]

I wanna go back to tanking raids already 😑

Had a blast tanking for the first time in like two weeks

[strong forum]

M+ is was pretty fun the last week

Big pushes

[wintry ermine]

thanks @strong forum , seems smoother than our panicy way last night, kiting and the DH not being able to keep aggro and me skipping like half of my bootieclaps to not take aggro from fresh crawgs

[strong forum]

Np :)

[rough egret]

@zinc creek same for me, :) I left mine 380BRM and start a playing prot warr, now I enjoy the game more :)

[modern brook]

can i get a spirit bomb for a shield in the box this week?

[sleek raptor]

no, you'll get a high crit roll ring.

[autumn pendant]

Rude

[sleek raptor]

that's what i got last week 😦

[lusty grotto]

better than azerite gear 5 weeks in a row

[astral crystal]

everyone will get either a 385 azerite piece with DC, azerite veins and impassive visage, or a 380 shield with avoidance and socket

it is known

[modern brook]

❤ atticus

Shields have not dropped for me

I got a 340 go-away from a Motherlode

when i was ilvl ~330

and im 380 still rocking it

[jagged bay]

😃

[open bluff]

meanwhile a shield was the first thing to drop for me when i took my warrior to heroic

[sand egret]

🙏

[open bluff]

so don't give up @modern brook, the good shields are out there

[oblique garnet]

Good shoulders dont exist prove me wrong

[outer oasis]

Def crash is still the go to trait regardless of ilvl correct?

[oblique garnet]

yeah till 8.1

[outer oasis]

Sweet, ty.

[sand egret]

gimme dat 395 rezans

[lusty grotto]

let's calm down now bladesong

[sand egret]

aim big, ignore the pain

#Protlyfe

[lusty grotto]

not looking forward to this week's affixes

[sand egret]

oh its gonna suck

[lusty grotto]

fortified and teeming 😦

[steel mauve]

Dc may still be worth some ilvl in 8.1, just not 45 ilvls

Closer tk like 15

To*

[lusty grotto]

at least we can spam heal with explosive orbs

[sand egret]

i gotta check my ego this week real fast

cuz my dumb ass is totally going to try and bomb a pull and just get NOPED back to Vanilla

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern brook]

healers need to adjust

[lusty grotto]

no need, victory rush it ftw

[open bluff]

oof

good news: needed a weapon, got a weapon

[modern brook]

👏

[sand egret]

explosive week is an interesting mix of emotions. on the one hand I find love in random pugs who hit the orbs, while simultaneously wish for their end as they steal.my.victory.rushes.

[open bluff]

bad news: it's servant splitter

[lusty grotto]

you know it's teeming so there will be around 8 explosive orbs at the same time

[open bluff]

😦

[modern brook]

I had splitter drop last night

[open bluff]

but 355 to 380... might actually be worth using

[modern brook]

i passed it to the scrapper and got a cool 3 gloom 8^)

[lusty grotto]

i would say its worth using :\

[sand egret]

damn bruh, but yeah use it

and pretend its a thunderfury

[modern brook]

it'll make your avatars dirty at least

[open bluff]

tbh the ilvl is the main reason i'm considering it

[modern brook]

well yeah. dealing damage < stats

but your Aoe clapping will be sick af

[sand egret]

relish in the bigger numbers and forget the proc of shame

[open bluff]

yeah but that's also 30 something str

and my 355 is the fetid MH from normal so not like i'm giving up haste

[lusty grotto]

but don't transmog it if you are rocking the Patented Chef Nimchip Transmog (TM)

[sand egret]

lol tuesdays prot turns into a support group

“naw man, you and that servant splitter are SPECIAL!”

[modern brook]

female ork calves are fucking monsterous

[upper spoke]

355 Darkmoon deck, 380 ritual bindings, 380 vial of animated. Any reason to take ilvl of 380 vial over darkmoon?

[modern brook]

chun li levels of fuck up your day

[sand egret]

yum

[lusty grotto]

senpai pls

dont look

[open bluff]

well... it's at least got my warr at 370 equipped now

[modern brook]

RE: trinkets, use deck if you're dying

[sand egret]

uh take the vial pop that shit during avatar

[modern brook]

otherwise trinkets for damage imo

[sand egret]

cuz fuck that crutch

[lusty grotto]

i just macro on-use trinkets to avatar and blood fury

[upper spoke]

hmm cool. interesting suggestion. I'll def consider that

[lusty grotto]

am lazy

on the other hand i have them bound on my hpal

[sand egret]

it’s a bunch of str on use and you can do that and literally think of it as passive

[modern brook]

I generally do the same unless CD's dont line up for whatever reason :glare at anger management:

[sand egret]

but I wanna ditch my Darkmoond: Training Wheels myself real bad

[steel mauve]

With macroing though unless you track the cd of the trinket you can lose out on uses since AM lets you cast avatar at a different rate, usually doing every thing manually is a better way to go

You can still macro it to avatar, and hit avatars button to pop the trinket if you do track its cd though to get rid of a keybind

[thorny pumice]

So theoretically, if I'm not dying I could just use a 370 ritual bindings and 375 dooms fury instead of one of those and the deck?

[modern brook]

if you;re not dying darkmoon deck isnt doing shit for you

[sand egret]

^

[modern brook]

its a mediorce str buff at that point

if you need the added survivability, to my knowledge, no trinket comes close still

[thorny pumice]

Cool, swapping it out then

[modern brook]

I still use it

[lusty grotto]

jes comes at a very relaxed second

[modern brook]

cause 340 shield 😦

[thorny pumice]

Earlier last week I wouldve needed it but as of last night, the druid healer in my group said that he could ignore me for a good part of the dungeon

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto is that at all ilvls?

I actually havent ran tol dagor since week 1 (maybe 2?) m+

just hasnt been in the keys

[sand egret]

a druid can basically just lfiebloom and be good

[thorny pumice]

Yeah, that's all he was doing really and he could DPS. Which was nice cause we were carrying a 340 warrior through 10s last night -_-

[lusty grotto]

more like 370ish

[sand egret]

our damage intake ends up making packs laughable at some points

[lusty grotto]

actually for jes to be better it has to be higher ilvl for sure

385ish maybe

[modern brook]

I just meant being a close second

ie: does a 340 howler still give better stats than other shit at higher ilvls for not dying

[lusty grotto]

i mean if i need def, i use both DMC and Jes

i would say so sure bull

certainly does against other shit

just not against DMC

[modern brook]

is dmc ==dmd?

[lusty grotto]

darkmoon card

[modern brook]

ahhh

[lusty grotto]

darkmoon deck

yeah

they are the same

[modern brook]

dirty

I have a 390 tendril and a 395 vial of animated blood

[elder tusk]

Is the haste drop worth the other stats? Sockets seem so broken

[modern brook]

I'm using the dmd still because Im a big old bitch

[lusty grotto]

@elder tusk ILVL > ALL

but

[elder tusk]

When it comes to sockets, no

[modern brook]

sockets are worth ilvls imo

[lusty grotto]

it doesn't matter

• 8 Armor

• 24 STR

[modern brook]

15 might bee too much

but

[lusty grotto]

that's 15 ilvls

you are fucking yourself over

[elder tusk]

it does matter, I'm just wondering where the cutoff is mathematically

[lusty grotto]

it does not matter

[modern brook]

I mean mathematically there wouldnt be ahard rule

[elder tusk]

if it was a 5 ilvl difference, it would be a no brainer, I would use the socket version at lower ilvl

so yes, it matters

[modern brook]

feely-crafty, 15 ilvls is an upgrade for overall survivbility and offense (combined)

[open bluff]

the feelycraft rule is generally 10+ it's an upgrade

depending on slot

[elder tusk]

fair enough

[steel mauve]

Sockets are not worth ilvls on any piece of gear that has armor on it

[lusty grotto]

☝

[steel mauve]

5ilvls is an upgrade on any thing with armor on it

[open bluff]

eh idk

i'd take 5 ilvls on say bracers

[steel mauve]

Regardless of stats

[open bluff]

[lusty grotto]

min maxing surv you would go for armor

[elder tusk]

I find it hard to beleive that 2 armor is worth more than 40 haste

[lusty grotto]

?

[elder tusk]

but 15 ilvls i can see being worth

haste is worth survivability too you know

[lusty grotto]

no shit

[open bluff]

but yeah, bracers and cloak are the two main slots where you can afford to sacrifice a small amount of ilvl for a socket because they're not worth much armor

but i wouldn't sacrifice 15 ilvls

[elder tusk]

@lusty grotto please stop talking like you know everything it's kinda annoying

thanks all for the input

[lusty grotto]

you stated something as if we didn't know it, so i replied accordingly

[steel mauve]

Haste is worth survival, but our stats are literally so close together, that 5 ilvl gains plus arm/str/stam is an upgrade

None of our stats are bad, and it is literally in the pins ILVL > all other stats

[elder tusk]

As a general rule yes I know that, but that does not take sockets into account. Hence why I asked

[lusty grotto]

can you get armor in a gem?

[steel mauve]

Socket isnt worth 5 ilvls on a piece of gear with armor on it, rings are still a toss up and debated, but i go with sockets worth more than 5 ilvls on rings

[lusty grotto]

let me rephrase that: can you get Armor + STR in a gem?

[sick sentinel]

RIP. a 385 azerite armor I dont need.

[modern brook]

i think you mean

[elder tusk]

You're implying that 2 armor > 40 haste?

[modern brook]

Sweet a 385 azerite armor for my off spec

[sick sentinel]

Ruinious Bolt/TOM/Callouse Reprisal/Reckless Fury

[elder tusk]

plus the other couple of stat points

[modern brook]

tom and reckless both very good for respective dps

great drop beth 😄

[lusty grotto]

@sick sentinel probably what i'll get today, 6th week in a row

[sick sentinel]

I have triple CA, triple LOW, x2 EP/x1 Archives to consider already though.

I dont have a fury settup considered however.

[lusty grotto]

you're overvaluing haste @elder tusk , this isn't Legion

[modern brook]

so now you have RF for your tertiary spec

congrats man

[lusty grotto]

and even in Legion, ilvl > all

[sick sentinel]

throws it up to his bank of so many azerites pve and pvp collected.

[modern brook]

tbh now that i have so much azerite

[lusty grotto]

which is why DMD Immortality was the best trinket in the entire expansion

[modern brook]

the system doesnt suck shit anymore

[sick sentinel]

lol yeah

[modern brook]

turns out when you have access to all the options its pretty cool

[sick sentinel]

tbh idk if the weekly cache could give me anything good now until 8.1

[steel mauve]

Secondary stats are actually pretty weak so far in bfa, they arent any where near as powerful

[sick sentinel]

since I got 380 socket shield I still use out of it.

[modern brook]

😦

[sick sentinel]

weeks and weeks ago.

[modern brook]

give me ur str man

[sick sentinel]

TF rings or trinks would be nice

[elder tusk]

Maybe I am but I wish there was a resource to evaluate stats easier. Someone somewhere calculated that our secondary stats are all relatively equal in power... I'd love to see that maths but all I can find is quotes of "ilvl > all trust us"

[modern brook]

I got large trinekts but theyre very mediocre on like all my specs

[lusty grotto]

DR due to armor follows a formula such as DR = Armor / ( Armor * X amount) * 100

[elder tusk]

Which I do believe, I'd just like to see that spreadsheet 😄

[limber wigeon]

@elder tusk I agree with that, I'd recommend using your brain and doing your own calculations. Generally advice out of discord channels are going to trend towards the simple and easy.

[lusty grotto]

@elder tusk https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1afbFC5ob81ABKM3avBAmGSpDTKdwiOdUiXZkO26Y_Mk/edit#gid=0

there you go

[elder tusk]

ask and ye shall receive 👌

nice one

[lusty grotto]

it should be in the #268491842637660160

[elder tusk]

That's what I would like to see in the pins FWIW

[lusty grotto]

stat analysis list in there

[modern brook]

the pins are for saying check the pins whenever some one asks when do i use thunderclap during avatar

[lusty grotto]

let's see how much DR a value of 2 armor is

DR = 2 / (2 * 8164) * 100 against a 113 lvl target

that's a consistent 0.012 % DR

what about M+ levels?

k value for M+ should be around.... lvl 111?

[prisma crane]

7100.1

[lusty grotto]

alright

0.014%

for any secondary to beat that we would need... around 10 points of a particular stat

on average

that's seeing only armor

[zinc mauve]

10 points of secondary for every one point of armor?

[sick sentinel]

uhh

[prisma crane]

he used 2

and im not sure where that 10 number came from

[lusty grotto]

2

[modern brook]

whats the 8164 in that?

[lusty grotto]

the k value

it varies by level

[prisma crane]

no

it varies by difficulty

[lusty grotto]

and also level

[prisma crane]

Base: 6300
M/M+: 7100.1
Uldir-normal: 7736.4
Uldir-heroc: 8467.2
Uldir-mythic: 9311.4

[lusty grotto]

hmm did they normalize it

or maybe it still does vary by level

just called by instance for simplicity

[prisma crane]

you can check, just target trash and target bosses and see how it affects your BV

[lusty grotto]

anyway a 10 STR increase is a 0.05% increase in DR

so from the items that Ben linked

he gains 8 Armor, 24 STR

[prisma crane]

STR also increases armor

[lusty grotto]

that's a 0.09% increase in DR

[prisma crane]

and, that 8 armor is likely before vanguard

[steel mauve]

But thats also a 15 ilvl upgrade, a 5 ilvl upgrade is what was being debated

[prisma crane]

or w/e the buff is called

[lusty grotto]

to a 47.7% in total armor DR

vanguard yeah

pretty sure the stat sheet is taking into consideration vanguard

[modern brook]

it does

It pulls its stats from Armor (With Vandguard) cell for armor dr

[prisma crane]

well fwiw, i'd use the the socket piece because i prefer the feel that the additional haste would give over the already marginal gain to surv

but there's no math in that answer

and i know we're all different, but overthinking gear that much really isnt worth the time 99% of the time

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[prisma crane]

it's an amusing exercise though

[steel mauve]

At the end of the day you wouldnt even notice the difference

[prisma crane]

^

[sand egret]

naw yo I can feel that 0.03% increased mitigation

[prisma crane]

which is why i'd go with the one that i know will affect how the class feels to me, which is more haste

[zinc mauve]

Execuse me but I notice that with me 9999 iq level

[steel mauve]

Its just numbers after the fight is over, but during the fight you wouldnt be able to tell the difference i should say

[prisma crane]

even if that is marginal in its own right

[sand egret]

psh I calculate my logs real time

in my head

I just read the combat log

[prisma crane]

na @zinc mauve i find the calcs amusing too, i just CBA to do that on all items of gear i get

[sand egret]

but real talk when ya start getting into the < 1% difference I check out

[modern brook]

How much different will 35 haste feel?

[prisma crane]

about 35 different

[sand egret]

you ever see those Claritin commercials?

[prisma crane]

give or take

[modern brook]

not at all different - krotos the tank, 2018

[prisma crane]

if it's faster than without the 35 haste, it's a step in the right direction for me

[sand egret]

your subjective opinion is wrong, foo

[modern brook]

Ultimately this is why we give generic advice such as ilvl > all

[prisma crane]

35 haste is about .51%

i'll take it

[lusty grotto]

For every 10 points of each stat you gain, 0.02% DR (haste), 0.05% (Mastery), 0.06% (Versa), ~~~0.09% (Crit though highly inconsistent), 0.05% (STR), 0.06% (Armor) ----- usually though you're gaining both Armor and STR at different levels... so DR per Point from STR + Armor versus every other stat should be clear

[modern brook]

because the discussion of "is the .001 decrease of my gcd worth the .002 dr i get from dropping ilvl" is retarded

[prisma crane]

well, they're also linked

but yea, it's minute

[modern brook]

There will never be a universe where the GCD / sb uptime 35 haste vs the .09% DR of 15 ilvls will be the deciding factor on whether you survive an encounter

just play better

[prisma crane]

while that's true

the reason people like to min/max is because it's not you making that choice once

it's making it lots of times

and it compounds

[modern brook]

which is ultimately why the generic line of advice is ilvl > all; like if you choose the option that provides less DR and less damage consistently for the sake of feel, you're ultimately gearing inefficiently, and are no longer min/maxing.

[prisma crane]

but yes, playing better will net larger results for players