protection

[sand egret]

you know you’re talkin to the one dude in here who is 100% solo, right? 🤣

[sick sentinel]

whereas when I don't play wow I am stuck with playing Dota 2 or league or rocket league with my IRL friends and that's PvP games so we flame each other too much ( and we are inherently toxic people when we are together so rip)

I know and I am questioning how are you still playing the game guildless

[strong forum]

I played the game guild less for 7 years

Went pretty good, but now I forced myself into one

[sick sentinel]

this first sentence with your profile pic is 👌

[strong forum]

And it's the best fun I had in years

Kek

[sick sentinel]

good guilds are fun

bad guilds make me want to quit

[strong forum]

6/8M since yesterday

Will prob get CE

[sick sentinel]

my current one is the best people I have had the last 7-8 years

[sand egret]

yeah, I just am not a fan of raiding and thats ultimately what people want

[sick sentinel]

I am advertising my guild as an m+running guild

[strong forum]

I didn't like raiding either, but it kinda grew on me

[sand egret]

ive been pitched that and next thing I know Im getting asked about my raid schedule lol

getting catfished into raid tanking

[strong forum]

I just kinda went with it, I was only planning on pushing m+ but then we were short some people for raid so I joined

And now I got rank 14 World on Zul M :)

As prot

Logs make raiding fun

[sick sentinel]

I am tanking m+ and I am dpsing raids

[strong forum]

Same, but tanking for zul

[sand egret]

dpsing in raids is what made me quit WoW

[sick sentinel]

dpsing and getting high parces is what is staying me in wow

My life is parces

orange ones

[sand egret]

to each their own!

[sick sentinel]

I was the offtank for a bit, before we get into mythic

but I wanted to be fury, we just didn't have tanks

so I recruited a tank, easy

[sand egret]

haha

[frosty wedge]

HPal are great raid healers - but they suffer in m+

[sick sentinel]

they don't suffer, their manapools do

in tyrannical bosses only I think

[frosty wedge]

ha, well yes

naw, grievous or bursting weeks

[sick sentinel]

because they are absolute gods for 40 sec

and then they just fall off hard

[frosty wedge]

basically anything where they need to heal more than 3 people

[sick sentinel]

me doing like 5-6k average HPS also helps 😄

[frosty wedge]

true, lol

[sick sentinel]

I really wanna stack 3IVs

[frosty wedge]

plus 3 AV

[sick sentinel]

but did you know how much vampiric speed does in some dungeons

[frosty wedge]

yeah t's kind of absurd

[sick sentinel]

I think that was a manor run

[open bluff]

3 IV is the dream 🤤

[strong forum]

That's a single

IV

Not triple

[open bluff]

i could actually hit 3 IV if doom's howl drops shoulders when arathi swaps back to alliance

[sick sentinel]

this screenshot was 1 IV, 1 vampiric speed and 1 resounding

[strong forum]

But yeah triple would be big

[sick sentinel]

and 5.4% leach lol

[strong forum]

But unachievable

Triple IV gives you shit Tier 1 traits

[sick sentinel]

I am leach meming too hard

[strong forum]

I'm rolling 1 370 DC and double 385 archive 2x resounding 1x IV

[sick sentinel]

I have like 2 items with it and 385 bloodsport

[strong forum]

Yikes

That's so bad tbh

[open bluff]

eh, i'd have 2x BFI 1x Archive so not totally shit

[sick sentinel]

375 legs with leach and 375 jes with leach

[open bluff]

just... no DC 😦

[sick sentinel]

just get DC

[strong forum]

BfI is almost useless in m+

[open bluff]

if I could get a DC piece to drop i would

[sick sentinel]

just cap conquest 9 times

guaranteed 370 DC shoulders

[strong forum]

355 no?

[open bluff]

pvp tho lul

[strong forum]

I upgraded those to 370

[sick sentinel]

you get a 355 DC shoulder in 4rth or 5th week

[strong forum]

Bis though

Ah

[sick sentinel]

and upgrade them with the 9th week's upgrade thing

[strong forum]

Pvp shoulders are Bis AF

Resounding gutripper and DC

Big

[sick sentinel]

@open bluff just spam 3s as arms or 2s as fury whatever you have best

[open bluff]

neither, i don't have a single 2h 🤣

[sick sentinel]

or RBGs even

RBGs prot

or 3s as prot

disruption and destruction

[open bluff]

my dk's my main pvp toon, but if i can get a decent 2h to drop on my warr i might try that

[strong forum]

Just do taloc

[open bluff]

or see if i can't get lucky with 370 DC from an emissary; my last DC piece was a 325 drop and i wasn't going to sacrifice 45 ilvls on a chest just to keep DC

[strong forum]

Freeloot

DC is invaluable for m+

[open bluff]

shoulders sure i wouldn't give a shit, not chest/helm tho

[strong forum]

Do m0s

Ah well no DC shoulders

[open bluff]

there's like one set of DC shoulders in dungeons iirc

[strong forum]

But DC is invaluable for m+

[open bluff]

yeah i can def feel the difference with/without DC

[strong forum]

Chtraxxi shoulders

[uneven mason]

got DC shoulders from the Emmisary 2 days ago AMA

[sick sentinel]

But my question is : how much leach can I realistically get until 8.1 drops btw? I wanna meme to the maximum ( spamming m+ all day every day btw)

[uneven mason]

can wear my RA piece 100% of the time now

[sick sentinel]

I have like 4-5 370 pieces with DClul

[strong forum]

You can't get a reliable amount

[sick sentinel]

well I have 5.4 % already

[strong forum]

I tried on beta with leech enchant and 3x bloodsport

[thorny pumice]

I did M+ yesterday for over 11 hours and I applaud you if you can do that every day

[strong forum]

7% was max I could get

Which is nothing

Unless you can get to 20% it's worthless

[sick sentinel]

you see the screenshot, that is pretty substantial

[strong forum]

500k is nothing

[sick sentinel]

😦

no memes for me I guess

[strong forum]

What's the highest key you ran

[sick sentinel]

+14 shrine

[strong forum]

Not worth it to use leech

What's your overall dps

[sick sentinel]

like second on overall

[strong forum]

Shit group

[sick sentinel]

I mean I am gearing appropriately

[strong forum]

I want a number though

[sick sentinel]

I want to get leach on pieces I would use anyway

not going to use leach enchant and shit

[strong forum]

Well that's the ideal scenario

Then it's fine, but saccing ilvl for leech or shit stats ain't worth it

Or even using bloodsport

But what's your overall dps as in number

[sick sentinel]

I am using Bloodsport because it is my only 385 in that slot

[uneven mason]

New trait - Static Field, Thunderclap increases the absorb of ignore pain by 50% Of the damage it deals

[strong forum]

Cuz 2nd in overall seems pretty high

Pog?

Or fake

[uneven mason]

fake

ofc

they'd never give us Bonestorm for warriors

[strong forum]

Almost got me excited there

You mean memestorm

[uneven mason]

if they replaced Ravager with that tho

would we use it

[strong forum]

Idk

[sick sentinel]

AM is way too good

so no

[uneven mason]

At that point though

[strong forum]

Yeah am too strong

[uneven mason]

that's pretty massive

[strong forum]

So you're not gonna give me a number unyun?

[uneven mason]

for M+

[strong forum]

;(

[sick sentinel]

I do not remember

above 10k for sure

depends on how big I pull during avatar

[strong forum]

Ofc

But if you said anything less than 10k

[sick sentinel]

sometimes 10 sometimes 12

[strong forum]

Then I would flame you :D

[sick sentinel]

sometimes somewhere in between

[strong forum]

Yeah I average same

10-13k

[sick sentinel]

If I do skystep memes I can go a lot higher tho

[strong forum]

Might increase when I use my crit trinkets from now on

[sick sentinel]

CC every infested pull everything else

[strong forum]

Juicy 80k dps pulls

Topping everybody

Is fun

[sick sentinel]

I am gonna run 3xBastion and DC ( at least one) in 8.1

[strong forum]

I think I can get up to 15k average tbhc

[sick sentinel]

big avatars

[strong forum]

Will 8.1 give us new outer ring?

Or 8.1.5

[signal plover]

8.1

[strong forum]

Biiig

[sick sentinel]

new raid I think

[strong forum]

I'm leaning towards 8.1 cuz new azerite currency?

Mebeh big rings and big dick score inc

[signal plover]

Pretty sure they said 8.1 at blizzcon

[strong forum]

Will push to 1.5k maybe 1.6k this week

Last good week for pushing for 3 weeks

[thorny pumice]

I thought this week was supposed to be trash?

The affixes coming tomorrow that is

[strong forum]

Current week is the BEST

No I mean today

[open bluff]

current week is the best possible week to push

[thorny pumice]

Yeah, I've pushed a lot this week

[sick sentinel]

teeming week is ok if you are stacking crit tbh

explosive is nice for victory rush

[strong forum]

Teeming explosive fort

Terrible

Fucking terrible

[sick sentinel]

I wanna see more korean 4 dps memes tho'

so excited

[open bluff]

i see teeming fort victory rush spam

👀

[strong forum]

Not gonna happen unyun

[modern brook]

V😤I😤C😤T😤O😤R😤Y😤R😤U😤S😤H

teeming fort should be banned imo

its just dumb

its like just a time sink

no real mechanics

[uneven mason]

Teeming fort isn't VR spam

[sick sentinel]

I just hear "parry parry parry parry parry parry hit WHERE DID MY HEALTH GO parry parry"

[uneven mason]

its kite the fuck out of that

[sick sentinel]

stacking crit feelsweirdman

[frosty wedge]

teeming fort explosive

like

fuck this week

[sick sentinel]

well we had our push week

[frosty wedge]

sure - but the weeks shouldn't be so insanely different

and different combos just shouldn't happen

[sick sentinel]

there is a legit 12 week rotation

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/509789259822006272/unknown.png

stacking critwat

[sick sentinel]

exactly

[frosty wedge]

yeah I know there is

[sick sentinel]

parry -52k in the face- parry- crit block - double parry etc

[frosty wedge]

I just mean like - fort, teeming is just a thing that shouldn't happen

[sick sentinel]

have you tried running out of shield block half a second before the thrash hits you?

not fun btw

[modern brook]

^true strategies

by playing like shit, we guarantee only buffs

:nod:

[uneven mason]

Maybe Captain, maybe

[sick sentinel]

fetid devourer HC first week was not fun

[uneven mason]

thats mythic

[sick sentinel]

I am dps on mythic

[modern brook]

is R: Real and M mitigation?

[uneven mason]

Raw

damage with no mitigation

[modern brook]

yeah thats what i meant

[sick sentinel]

I am just saying like "ok I am gonna pop SW to let my charges recharge. Oh he went eating, and then casted shockwave and then breath"

[uneven mason]

that 58.77% is my armor

I literally ate a Thrash with nothing up

[modern brook]

so what's A and B on the first one

[uneven mason]

but my teeth

[sick sentinel]

"didn't like having SW up anyway"

[uneven mason]

Absorb and Block

[modern brook]

oh god

[uneven mason]

I lived

which shocked the shit out of my paladin co tank

he was like "Did you just eat that to the face"

[modern brook]

"I was ignoring it"

[uneven mason]

and I was like "More like my tonsils"

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[lament quail]

Thrash eating grin right there

[modern brook]

:boo:

👎

[uneven mason]

that armor stack tho

hoora

but yeah, gonna do thrash for first 50%

then swap to main sub 50%

so we can full on cheese mode with SLT

and bubbles

that is

if my DPS ever stops being dead chimp level

By that I Mean, they die

[undone elk]

new at proc what traits should be using? i have 3x iron fortress atm

[sick sentinel]

oh god

get DC

TC trait

as soon as possible

[undone elk]

dc?

[sick sentinel]

Defeaning crash or however it is called

and then your 2 highest ilvl pieces for the rest of the gear\

iron fortress is good tho

[frosty wedge]

yeah you essentially NEED 1x D

[undone elk]

i have 1 385 and 2 370 iron fortress i have 30% block

[frosty wedge]

DC*

that's great, but you don't have like.. 70% uptime on demoralizing shout

[sick sentinel]

going without a DC trait is like going in naked

[frosty wedge]

^^

[undone elk]

what does dc do im sorry i never play tank

[frosty wedge]

Essentially if you don't have 1x DC you're doing a disservice to yourself and your healer, lol

[sick sentinel]

the trait fam

[undone elk]

what does the trait dooo

[frosty wedge]

it makes it so thunderclap extends the duration of demo shout by 2 secs every time yoU DC

[strong forum]

Deafening crash increases duration of Demo shout by 2sec per thunderclap

[frosty wedge]

TC*

[undone elk]

oh i see

[frosty wedge]

so when you avatar + demo, you can keep demo up undtil avatar expires essentially

so you get insane demo uptime

[strong forum]

You can get 40sec uptime on Demo

If not longer

[frosty wedge]

so you're taking 20% less dmg and dealing 10% more

[strong forum]

15%

[undone elk]

i have a 370 shoulder with dc

[strong forum]

More dmg

[sick sentinel]

I had times where demo came off CD when I had still demo up

[undone elk]

only 1 piece i need right?

[strong forum]

Yes only 1

[sick sentinel]

exactly one piece

no more no less

[undone elk]

doesnt stack?

[sick sentinel]

the damage stacks only

[strong forum]

Not the duration no

[undone elk]

im assuming we haave to talaent untoppable force

[strong forum]

100% at all times

It's what makes us viable

[steel mauve]

We only have 2 rows we can change

The stun row and the tc range row

[undone elk]

guess the icy veins guide isnt so good after aall

[strong forum]

It is

[undone elk]

what talents do u guys use then?

[strong forum]

Icy veins guide is literally what we use

In talents

[steel mauve]

Ya its 100% accurate...

[undone elk]

oh dman

[strong forum]

Since its written by our Lord marok owner of this discord

[undone elk]

shiet

[steel mauve]

Its maintained and updated by the owner of this discord

[strong forum]

However the guides is only for raiding, not for m+

[sick sentinel]

1/(1 or 2)/2/3/(2 or 3)/1/1

[undone elk]

so its alwaays up to date

no no i need m+

[plain ice]

yea, all of this info is in the guide. what makes you think it's inaccurate?

[strong forum]

What unyun said

[undone elk]

our taank is on vacation and now its on me

[strong forum]

M+ is much harder than raiding

So ya

But DC is still a must

Even more important

[plain ice]

what level keys are you tanking and what do you need to help with?

[sick sentinel]

I very,very rarely take off rumbling earth tho

[undone elk]

last time i checked the boe

[strong forum]

Get 2x archive and 1x DC

[undone elk]

gear

[strong forum]

Rumbling earth is what's taken yes

[undone elk]

im tanking 12+ 13

[strong forum]

Ah so nothing too challenging

[undone elk]

maybe 14 this week but depends on grp

[strong forum]

But if you're new to prot it can be iffy

Make use of your last stand and stuns very often

And don't be shy to kite

[undone elk]

yeh i was having issues like surviving but stat weight doesnt maatter too much right?

[strong forum]

Yea

Ilvl is king

[plain ice]

what ilvl is your shield?

[undone elk]

375

my mace is 340 tho

[uneven mason]

oh you'll be fine

ew, we only partially scale from WDPS tho

[plain ice]

get a piece that has deafening crash, and you're fine

[strong forum]

Are you chaining blocks, don't overlap last stand and SB

[open bluff]

oh boi come on chestpiece 👀

[uneven mason]

truck some +10s till you get a 370 weapon

[sick sentinel]

everything scales with attack power, not wdps

[plain ice]

yea, just spam atal or something

[strong forum]

Weapon isn't really a matter

[undone elk]

no enchants as of yet my gear is haste 25%

[strong forum]

You can literally tank 10s with TF

[uneven mason]

Captain - specifically for IP - our WDPS is converted to its AP value

which is WDPS * 6

[strong forum]

You can literally tank 10s with Thunderfury

I tried it

It's fun

[uneven mason]

👢 🍵 👏

[strong forum]

Kick the bucket?

[sick sentinel]

@uneven mason I did not know that, thanks

[uneven mason]

[strong forum]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

I am using a 370+s and avoidance tol dagor mace

[strong forum]

Tfw full 385 but weapon and boots...

[sick sentinel]

fury lootspec after I got this since I am dps in raids

[undone elk]

devastator not good?

[sick sentinel]

BV better

because it combos with AM and DC

[undone elk]

i do 8.5-10k dps on bosses

[sick sentinel]

deva can be better in ST yeah but anything that is not ST it is worse

you get less rage

[uneven mason]

Devastator has a single use, and that is ST DPS

its a RPS loss

[undone elk]

what about vengence? for aoe

[uneven mason]

a mitigation loss

🤢

[strong forum]

Vengeance is shit

Straight up shit

[uneven mason]

BV is 15% bonus damage vs AE

I mean its a RPS gain in VERY minor circumstances

[modern brook]

IIRC vengeance will be better with IP off global

[uneven mason]

very minor being if you're always tanking enough mobs to proc free revenges and not using GCDs for anything but IP or Revenge

[undone elk]

i see isee

[uneven mason]

it will be better

but still weaker than BV

[modern brook]

Yeah idk numbers

[uneven mason]

Revenge is weak

[modern brook]

but a lot of the problems with vengeance comes from not being able to cook

[undone elk]

but what about never surrender per instance

[steel mauve]

No

[uneven mason]

buffing TC damage > Revenge (which will be free 90% Of ht time in any situation where Veng might be a DPS gain)

[modern brook]

in general, your tanking strat shouldnt involve being almost dead

[sick sentinel]

always surrender

[uneven mason]

NS is quite possibly the wost talent ever

[steel mauve]

Never surender is a 1:1 ratio

[undone elk]

reallt xd

[modern brook]

NS could be baked into IP

[undone elk]

wow

[uneven mason]

is bad because its up against AM

[modern brook]

and no one would notice

[sick sentinel]

never surrender is trash yeah

[steel mauve]

So its only stronger when almost dead

[modern brook]

its a linear scale

[undone elk]

unlucky i had it taalented

[open bluff]

it's strongest at 1hp

[sick sentinel]

so like , you should not fall under 40% health EVER

[modern brook]

so you get 100% when ur 100% dead

[open bluff]

and if you're at 1hp, either you or the healer did something very, very wrong

(and you're lucky AF that you just didn't die)

[uneven mason]

@open bluff Its strngest at -2% health

[modern brook]

never surrender = ahnk

👀

[uneven mason]

Basically Shark

[steel mauve]

Our talents choices are literally 2 rows, the stun row and the tc/leap row, those are our only options, the other rows are either trash talents, or talents up against insane talents like AM

[uneven mason]

the talents on the IV guide

are it

you use that

or you die

[undone elk]

for m+ i for sure go punish right?

[uneven mason]

No

[modern brook]

oof

[uneven mason]

ITF is WAY stronger

especially in M+

since it'l always be at 5stacks

[modern brook]

at worst it'll be at like 2-3

[undone elk]

im on 33% haste actually

[uneven mason]

k

get more

haste = SB uptime

[undone elk]

shiet got reala

[uneven mason]

I'm at over 40% In raids

and I still want more

[sick sentinel]

33% haste with 5 into the fray stacks maybe?

[undone elk]

nah 33% base rn

[sick sentinel]

in uldir?

[undone elk]

im in dalaaaraan

[sick sentinel]

wow wtf

that's big haste

[undone elk]

wait

[steel mauve]

Itf always scales with haste, and you never take punish, unless the entire fight you cant get 2 stacks, which is impossible

[sick sentinel]

you should have itf in dalaran

[undone elk]

i think friendlies in dalaran give me haste

[sick sentinel]

so many people around you

exactly

[strong forum]

Yes they do

[undone elk]

so 33% with

[strong forum]

33% without itf is impossible

[undone elk]

yeah indeed

[strong forum]

I had like 1.5k haste at some point base and had like 20%

Can't get much more

Sitting at chill 1.2-1.3k haste now

[sick sentinel]

with my fury gear I have like 22% haste but with my prot gear where I maximize ilvl I have like 18%

[strong forum]

Eww fury

[sick sentinel]

arms is boring

[undone elk]

fury is the best

[strong forum]

Fury is bad so not fun

That's my opinion

[undone elk]

wut

[sick sentinel]

fury is not bad lol

[undone elk]

i do 18k dps as fury

[modern brook]

Fury isnt fun, ill agree with that

but its not bad

[undone elk]

well arms is boring

[steel mauve]

Its not that far behind arms

[strong forum]

I said it a million times and I'll say it again, fury is boring for me since titan grip was introduced

Fucking swinging for a million attacks that do 1dmg each

Is not fun for me

[sick sentinel]

fair enough

[modern brook]

What does that have to do with titan?

[undone elk]

pretty sure there the same in m+ in uldir arms warrior pulls ahead

[sick sentinel]

I would love to see big numbers

[strong forum]

2h weapons look like shit

2x 2h -*

[sick sentinel]

like 2EP arms mortal strike crits for 120k

[undone elk]

really?

[prisma crane]

i prefer 2H weapons because ALL of them actually back sheath

[modern brook]

ok i guess

[prisma crane]

i hate 1H on my hip

[sick sentinel]

but I like the gameplay of fury

[undone elk]

same

[strong forum]

I hate 2x 2h, it's a wannabe edgy kiddy way for me

But that's my opinion

[undone elk]

lol

[prisma crane]

i want 2x shields

[sick sentinel]

same

[modern brook]

shields back-sheath

[prisma crane]

cuz why not

lol

[undone elk]

xd

[strong forum]

Shields that don't sheath

That's sexy

[sick sentinel]

dark souls 2 this bitch

[modern brook]

shields that hip sheath 😩

[prisma crane]

^

this man gets it, even if he's memein me

lol

[strong forum]

Keep em on your arm at all times

[modern brook]

I speak what the people want, krotos

[sick sentinel]

BE THE SHIELD

[prisma crane]

so you speak the truth

good man

[sick sentinel]

I want a 2hand in one hand and shield in the other

[strong forum]

Pls don't

[modern brook]

Prot will never be fun until we get "mutilate, but with two shields" as a rotational button

[prisma crane]

i'd just be happy with 1H that go on my back

[strong forum]

That's so gay

2h + shield is soo gay

Imo

[sick sentinel]

do you just hate 2hands?

[strong forum]

Nah I like 2h, but only 1

It's a heavy fucking weapon

You can't carry that in 1 hand

[modern brook]

yeah sure, if you'rea big pussy

[prisma crane]

if you're strong enough you can

that's the whole point of it

[strong forum]

Nah kiddy shit

[frosty wedge]

meh, some 1 handers look bigger than 2 handers

[modern brook]

Paladin's calling nom

[prisma crane]

i mean, you can say that about throwing fireballs

[strong forum]

I just don't like it

It's a kids fantasy for me

[prisma crane]

not liking it =/= kiddy shit lol

[sick sentinel]

have you played crusader in d3?

[strong forum]

No

I played barb and DH

[prisma crane]

you can not like it all you want, there's plenty i dont like that others do

but doesnt make it kiddy shit lol

[modern brook]

Divine shield is kiddy shit

[sick sentinel]

just tmog your 2hand into a small one

ez

[modern brook]

becuz it erases ur mistakes

[prisma crane]

i use the brewfest stein because it hides when sheathed

[sick sentinel]

there is a vanilla katana 2hand that has the same model as a katana 1hand

[strong forum]

Yeah but like I said my opinion

[sick sentinel]

or like the motherlode 2hand

that also looks like a 1hand

[prisma crane]

what about a 2H spear and shield

actually pretty common in history

[sick sentinel]

live your fury fantasy of wielding 2 onehands

[modern brook]

1 handed weapons look so dinky on orc

[sick sentinel]

I am an orc and I agree

[modern brook]

I cant play frost dk because of it

[strong forum]

Also don't like orcs

haHA

[modern brook]

Everything makes sense now nom

your opinions are wrong

[strong forum]

Kekeke

Orcs are basic bitch races

[modern brook]

humans

[strong forum]

That's what I think

[modern brook]

belfs

dwarves

[strong forum]

Since when are dwarves basic bitch

[modern brook]

Lotr

[sick sentinel]

dwarves are ok

[strong forum]

Theyve only become popular recently in wow

Before that nobody was dwarf

[modern brook]

because ppl werent bitches before

[strong forum]

Typical horde

tse

Or am I taking it wrong

What you just said could have many angles

[modern brook]

I definitely have like 0 investment in what I'm saying.

I dig orcs and hey look cool with 2 handers in eeach hand - mostly cause the 1 handers are small

I'm not going to convince you otherwise

[strong forum]

Yeah no need

Since im the exact opposite

Topkek

[sick sentinel]

orcs started look good when we could have straight backs

[modern brook]

yeah

super excited for the run buff

[sick sentinel]

I never bothered with my orc mog until they made this

now I have like 5-6 sets saved in my transmog tab that I frequently change

and keep adding more

[uneven mason]

5-6?

amateur.

[modern brook]

I have one because i never mog farmed 😦

[uneven mason]

My XMog list HAS A SCROLL BAR

[modern brook]

and now cool mogs are a thing of the past

thanks uldir

[sick sentinel]

I started farming plate tmog in bfa

[modern brook]

almost all of the BFA mogs so far are fuckign gross

[sick sentinel]

I was farming leather and mail before that

[uneven mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/493563611269038100/510539272617721862/unknown.png

[sick sentinel]

uldir weapons are cool

[modern brook]

the weapons are fine

but the armor

at least plate

is fucking gross

[sick sentinel]

true

[modern brook]

all of it

[sick sentinel]

new raid tmog is promising

[modern brook]

uldirs, questing, dungeons, LOL @ honorbound

its all fucking gross

[sick sentinel]

makes me actually wanna do mythic

honorbound is ok

[modern brook]

the shoulder's anchoring are broken

they sit like ~2 feet above you

[modern brook]

:tmog for ants:

[molten hawk]

so could anyone with more knowledge of prot warrior explain to me what in the fuck happened here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#difficulty=4&class=Warrior&boss=2144

[sick sentinel]

post in #449510248579858432

as well

[frosty wedge]

that is just a link to the rankings for a zone/boss?

[molten hawk]

#1 dps for warriors is a prot warrior by 2k on taloc

[amber siren]

he's talking about the prot war in #1 dps spot

for warriors overall

[sick sentinel]

384 ilevel

Add to that knowlwdge of spec

And gg

oh I didn't even click the link

Boost is the crazy korean

that did the 1 prot warr+4 dps in explosive week on a manor 12

[frosty wedge]

yeah - I'm assuming they did something like, leave all the coalesced alive on him or something

[sick sentinel]

RUINOUS BOLT

[frosty wedge]

otherwise I can't realy explain how there's a way he does over 20k dps

[sick sentinel]

and vial+suringe I guess

[frosty wedge]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

pop Vial+avatar and go hard on adds

[frosty wedge]

if you look at the damage profile his dmg is almost entirely spiking up after the 2:30 mark

big influx at the start like everyone

[prisma crane]

he's probably the only one on the adds

on the elevator

[frosty wedge]

yeah

that's my guess

[prisma crane]

his guild helps him literally "Boost" his logs

[frosty wedge]

^

[prisma crane]

he's been at the top or near it forever

i only had a couple logs that topped him in ABT

but he was MIA for it

same with ToS

[frosty wedge]

yeah if you look at it, they definitely just left adds on him

thunderclap has 93 casts and 253 hit

[prisma crane]

there's a reason WCL doesnt count a few fights in allstar ranking, and it's because it's easy to cheese them

[sick sentinel]

they would like not attack adds at all just heal him

and only ST taloc

[frosty wedge]

yep

[strong forum]

That's why you only look at boss dmg logs

And not overall :^)

Cuz overall is cheese fiesta

[frosty wedge]

oh

[prisma crane]

but it's fun, right

[uneven mason]

LOL dude was one of the warriors with 2minute long execute pheases on Worldbreaker bac kin Legion iirc

[frosty wedge]

wait

how does he have lust twice?

[strong forum]

Dying

And getting CR

[prisma crane]

i love doing shit like Boost does, problem is, a lot of other people have to help out

[uneven mason]

negatory

[strong forum]

Ah well

Hm...

[frosty wedge]

nevermind

he doesn't

[strong forum]

Cheese logs is shitty imo

But can be fun I reckon

Only just got into logging

[prisma crane]

it's a lot of fun

pure cheese can be annoying

but i havent seen stuff like that in a while

[open bluff]

crisis averted @sick sentinel, 370 DC chest from emissary

[sand egret]

waaat

[sick sentinel]

EZ CLAP

[sand egret]

grats!

[prisma crane]

like, in SoO, keeping the trash that heals before Nazgrim alive so that all his adds live for MASSIVE dmg was super cheese, no one could compete

[sand egret]

that's the piece I need to get a 370 DC myself

[uneven mason]

@prisma crane the real cheese was solo tanking Garrosh

protection warrior 600k DPS

[sand egret]

is there a chest with DC + IVV

hmm to the search engine!

there isn't?! nuuuuu

fuck DC, nerf that shit already so I dont have to use it

messing up my builds

[prisma crane]

@uneven mason

best i ever did on it lol

[sick sentinel]

good morning fellas after reading the pins, is there anything that you would still teach a friend if they were next to you starting a prot warrior?

[uneven mason]

+++

Uh

[prisma crane]

dont leave empty globals

[uneven mason]

^

[prisma crane]

and memorize boss timers

[sick sentinel]

@prisma crane ty for that

[uneven mason]

IP is better than it sounds

[sick sentinel]

but not as good as SB

[uneven mason]

Plan ahead

[prisma crane]

and more importantly, memorize when boss timers arent accurate

[uneven mason]

like, 20 seconds ahead

all tanks need to know the fights

[sick sentinel]

kool

[uneven mason]

but for prot its a you live or die by your fight knowledge

and knowing how to deal with it BEFORE it happens (We're 100% Proactive)

[prisma crane]

@uneven mason Siegecrafter was my favorite vengeance cheesing fight, get to 10 stacks and smack the adds

[sand egret]

yeah emphasize the importance of SB

and to take it slow. Most of my mistakes come when I panic, hit IP over SB and get fucked for 3 globals because I've got no rage to put up SB, etc.

[prisma crane]

and when you do do that, use SW to cover your gaps

[jagged bay]

gz!

[sick sentinel]

I sometimes use Shockwave and intercept a range to cover my gaps

not with bosses tho

nice

[sand egret]

Yeah, coming from a non-shield tank I had no clue just how massive a mitigation tool Block is

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#difficulty=4&class=Warrior&spec=Protection

boost is top in every HC boss

33k dps on zek what is this

42k on zul

padmaster

23k on ghuun how even

[uneven mason]

Dat block tho

[sick sentinel]

does block have a cap?

[next ermine]

That's heroic though

[uneven mason]

85%

Whats heroic?

[next ermine]

Heroic just pad all day

[uneven mason]

oh yeah

[sick sentinel]

yeah man but it's funny to see

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Warrior&spec=Protection

rank1 in 6 fights on mythic as well

sense beat him on fetid by 150dps

and he is like rank 9 on zul

now if he could pad on mythic Ghuun...

ruinous bolt memes

his DC piece is 340 as well

[wintry ermine]

the talents on fetid, best build 😄

[sick sentinel]

fetid stormbolt?

[wintry ermine]

what boost used on heroic fetid: punish, devastator and heavy rep for extra burst

killed fetid in 0:47

[fresh fog]

Can anybody tell me what shieldblock exactly does? it is not 30/60% less dmg right? but how much is it?

[sick sentinel]

you just block every attack

so you add your block% value to your mitigation

and then you have

the % chance for crit block

instead of hoping you block the attack and then hoping you will crit block it

you just hope for crit blocks ( and parries I guess) only

[fresh fog]

yeah ok but how does blocking work?

[sand egret]

Block rating = % mitigated via blocks (crits are 2x that, up to 85%)
Block % = chance to Block.
Shield Block = Increases Block % by 100

typing block that many times makes it look weird

[uneven mason]

BLock is a multiplicative damage reduction that uses what amounts to the same scale as armor, but is not a buff to armor.

since it has its own diminishing returns

and its own cap

but its value is Block Rating / (Blockrating + k)

where k is a value set by the attacking target

(which scales depending on content)

[sand egret]

I believe a simple breakdown of the mitigation chain is: Hit (Raw) > Armor Reduction > % Mitigation > Block Reduction > IP absorb

[uneven mason]

generally if you have a shield that is ~5ilvls higher than the content you're doing, you'll probably hard cap critical blocks

Blade

Raw * Mitigation % ( Armor * Block * Cooldowns * debuffs * etc...) - Absorbs

[sand egret]

ah, so all mitigation %'s are compounded multiplictively with each other?

[uneven mason]

yes they're multiplicative

not additive (otherwise we'd never take damage)

[sick sentinel]

so is block less valuable after 42,5%?

[sand egret]

yeah figured

[uneven mason]

No

Mastery is 0.0004% weaker after you hit that %

or some miniscule amount

[sick sentinel]

ah ok

[sand egret]

normal blocks still are blocked for more

[uneven mason]

No, they're blocked more often

erm

sorry fumbled

yes, rating is sitll strong

I was like mastery impact !

and I needed to be like Rating impact !

[sand egret]

having 50% block mitigation still gives you 50% on normal blocks lol

[uneven mason]

yeah blockremains the #1 thing you want

won't hit that in normal current content ever tho

cause K

[sand egret]

does the tooltip show relative to what mob type?

is it the % mitigated vs simple 120s?

(doesn't the K value differ between a 120 mob and a boss, for instance?)

[steel mauve]

Yes it differs

From a 120 mob, to a normal raid boss, to a mythoc raid boss all have different k values

A raid boss is considered level 123, so there are different values from 120-123 up to different values depending on difficulty

[sick sentinel]

*blocking reduces damage of an attack by 43.90%"

and I have BfI

[uneven mason]

target a mythic boss it'll change

[sick sentinel]

I am prot only in m+ tho

[prisma crane]

Base: 6300
M/M+: 7100.1
Uldir-normal: 7736.4
Uldir-heroc: 8467.2
Uldir-mythic: 9311.4

those are the values for K

use the BV on your shield and then do this... BV/(BV+K)

that's your block damage reduction

crit block will be double that, up to a cap of 85%

[jagged bay]

thanks for explaining!

[prisma crane]

np

[junior ivy]

what are those numbers

lol

[sand egret]

ahh word, so the tooltip is dynamic

[steel mauve]

Those numbers are used to determine how much dmg your block reduces from mobs

[junior ivy]

oh okay

[uneven mason]

k is more or less the "boss attack power"

how much it reduces your armor reduction (and block reduction)

[junior ivy]

oh ok

[sick sentinel]

somebody pls support me in #general

[sand egret]

ok real talk and I feel super dirty for even asking this....if you had to pick an alt....BrM or BDK....

meme's aside

[sick sentinel]

bdk for m+ brm for raids

[sand egret]

I'm leaning towards Brew since it's the only tank I haven't really done...and the mobility is way closer to warrior

i'm going off of play, less about optimizing. If I was, it'd be BDK by a mile

[neat lagoon]

Brewmaster is dumb

[sand egret]

(i only do M+)

[neat lagoon]

if you do M+ go Demon Hunter

they are the closest to a warrior

[sand egret]

yeah, I did DH in legion tho

[sick sentinel]

bdks utility is godsent tho

[neat lagoon]

oh ok, i love that class

[sand egret]

so I do have the character

[sick sentinel]

kiting, griping, ranged interrupt

[sand egret]

and I do like it

so that's actually a legit (and cheaper) alternative...

means I have to be a BE though

[sick sentinel]

panda dhs when

[sand egret]

I just hate slow classes, tbh

and I am not a fan of the Rune system,

[sick sentinel]

(pls dont blizz)

[neat lagoon]

just when i played Brew I wasn't all for the micro management of the brew debuffs and having to keep up brews, idk felt like i was watching my character more than the actual fight . I also did not give myself a long time to learn it though

[sand egret]

Monk does allow me to also heal/dps

my alt right now is a Bear, so I'm no stranger to somewhat less complex movesets

[uneven mason]

lolthrash

[neat lagoon]

Bear is fine but like you said about slow classes, they are boring

[uneven mason]

lolironfur

[neat lagoon]

Paladins are right there with them as far as the boring factor goes

[sand egret]

they're like one mechanic away from making bear 10x more engaging, but I digress

I'd never make a Prot pally so that's off the table

[sick sentinel]

bear mains are probably sloths irl

[neat lagoon]

yeah Prot paladins are basically a dps with a shield. "just do this rotation and youll live"

[uneven mason]

#1 problem with bear

is threat

needing to chain MD to the bur in raids is 😡

[neat lagoon]

i have on threat problems on any tanks

imo

no threat*

[sick sentinel]

I play prot, what is skittish?

[uneven mason]

I have a bear who is trying to gain a mythic tank spot in my guild

and like

I have to basically twiddle my thumbs when tanking with him

[neat lagoon]

if they cannot hold threat than i dont understand why they wana raid mythic lol, the entier TAUNT spell is not just to take the boss away from players, it is also to keep and hold threat

[uneven mason]

well

shouldn't NEED taunt

or Misdirect

and that was my point

Like I haven't run into threat problems on warrior or BDK

[sick sentinel]

just do more damage

[uneven mason]

but druids

ugh

[sand egret]

yeah I definitely don't feel powerful

i feel....well like a big ball of health

[neat lagoon]

well imo warriors dps is unreal, but on all of my tanks on a raid boss i engage > taunt > than rip their face off with as much dps as i can

[sand egret]

hmm maybe I do get on my VDH....gotta look up what changed into BFA

would be cheaper as its already horde...and I wouldn't need to play BDK

and infernal leap IS wonderful

[neat lagoon]

I play the VDH the same way I did in legion basically, still smashing faces with Spirit Bomb

[sand egret]

ook, so that didn't change much

[neat lagoon]

but assuming you take Fracture talent you dont have Shear. So basically like how warriors were with Devastator, takes away Devastate spell

[sand egret]

does it replace shear now?

[neat lagoon]

yes

[sand egret]

not functionally but legit removes Shear?

[neat lagoon]

correct

[sand egret]

oook finally

[neat lagoon]

2 charges of it

[sand egret]

sick, yeah I got some reading to do

good thing I gotta wait for these compiles....

[neat lagoon]

so if anything you might experience a little bit "slower" game play since you may not have as much pain regen but still doesnt make a huge difference

[sand egret]

ill be levevling as a VDH so ill get the ropes pretty fast

[neat lagoon]

mhm like say i spam Fracture back to back and its on CD, ill still be able to get a 5 soul spirit bomb off, use Immo Aura and leap with the sigil talent and than fracture is back up

so no down time really, just less spammy, which is good for the sake of my mouse

my "6" button was getting abused lol

[modern brook]

IF you do your rotation right you shouldnt ever be waiting on fracture re vdh

[uneven mason]

#protection

[tulip birch]

Hey i was wondering if you guys had a list of abilities or key words so i can find out which boss mechanics i can block

[uneven mason]

pin by sal 9/14/18

[modern brook]

^literally the greatest resource tbh

[uneven mason]

general rule of thumb, if its a direct melee attack, its blockable

including stuff like Shatter

some cones can be blocked as well

also another general rule of thumb, even if its not "reflectable" (as in bounceable) using Spell reflect vs any magic damage from a boss is generaly a good idea.

[stark sage]

tbh some things dont play by the rules, and you should always check to see what is blockable/reflectable

[uneven mason]

stuff like contagion on Vectis, SR + IP + DS Makes that a trivial mechanic, not using it though makes it do a serious amount of damage.

[stark sage]

antorus was terrible for that stuff

[uneven mason]

yeah

I agree

Forging strike

should be blockable

[stark sage]

fiery strike

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[stark sage]

from coven

[junior ivy]

omg

i miss coven

and antorus

😦

[stark sage]

even argus' slash was a blockable cone

[uneven mason]

Heroic coven was a giant idiot check

[junior ivy]

i miss star auger 😭

[stark sage]

which we didnt know was blockable until people started fighting him

[uneven mason]

Star Auger was the ultimate idiot check

[junior ivy]

i never even did star auger on mythiv

mythic

only heroic

but i looove that fight

[uneven mason]

consider yourself lucky

he fucking melted warriors

"Oh pure magic damage, THANKS BOYS"

[junior ivy]

it just felt so fun to have a job to do besides 'taunt at 4 stacks'

[uneven mason]

but nah the runes and the GIANT EYEBAL THAT PEOPLE SOME HOW MISSED

like getting him into the final phase

just to have most of the raid stand in the "if you see this under your feet you're already dead"

[vapid loom]

QUICK navigation or Versatility?

[uneven mason]

navigation overall is better, I Could see an argument for vers

derp

quick is overall better

I could see vers being good for fights where block doesn't help a ton (Zul, Vect)

[vapid loom]

yeah

thats why im thinking

also

helps at dungeons

[vocal nimbus]

Quick

[uneven mason]

@vapid loom Block is way stronger in dungeons as a whole than it is in raids heh

[vapid loom]

yes but there also many magic attacks where block is useless 😛 im not gonna talk about ignore pain

[thorn fiber]

hey lads making a warrior alt tank.. is never surrender good for heavier magic or poison dungeons

[vapid loom]

im 375 and a 340 blood dk is way more better 😛

[thorn fiber]

or is bolster still the better option?

[severe pond]

bolster always

[uneven mason]

"way more better"

BDK doesn't even gain an edge until you get into keys where survivability is no longer the focal points but instead requires their specific utility

I should say - to a point BDK and warrior will be neck and neck

but yeah, BDK are easier

[neon tangle]

I dunno, at low levels the self-healing is pretty silly

I was doing a 11 ML on mine the other day and my healer died at 50% on second (? the one with the shit all over the floor)

just... healed myself through the whole thing

[modern brook]

what tank damage actually goes out in that fight though

[uneven mason]

3rd boss

and its all magic damage that is mostly reflectable

you gotta be quick but you can reflect her DOT

😉

[modern brook]

the caustic burn one?

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[modern brook]

isnt that random target?

I thoguht it was a dps thing lol

[uneven mason]

the ST one

sorry

lemme check

[modern brook]

Im probably misremembering names

[uneven mason]

apperntly me too

I Just know its got a 0.5s cast time

and is reflectable

[modern brook]

IDK that fight always felt like positioning > anything to me

[neon tangle]

@modern brook Her "AA" is magic, and hits hard enough on tyrannical

[uneven mason]

but yeah it is

but whoever said "I don't want to talk about IP" is what I keep hearing ever ytime folks want to shit on warriors

when I'm beating paladin tanks in healing meters because of IP its a worthwhile inclusion

but yeah BDK self sustain is a thing, I have to pray for RNGesus

to give me IV and AV

if I get AV and IV Procs

I can live a long fucking time

[modern brook]

av?

[neon tangle]

azerite veins

[modern brook]

traits get me every time 😦

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I think that, until I play on a BDK and also can take AV 😛

[modern brook]

I still read DC as direct current :/

[uneven mason]

Right but I'm not talking about beating a BDK in self healing

I'm talkiing about IV and AV are enough, to sustain a warrior

because we're taking 50% of the damage a BDK does~

[neon tangle]

Yeah that's fair

I guess my main point is, BDK feels pretty absurd in non-insane keys too

[frosty wedge]

Ugh

Stan Lee died 😦

[neon tangle]

rip

oh jesus, next week is teeming fort explosive

[broken kite]

F

[plain ice]

easy. victory rush for days

[uneven mason]

teeming + explosive = 🖕

Fort + Teeming = 🖕

[plain ice]

yea, in all seriousness, i'm not looking forward to it

[uneven mason]

Fort + Teeming + explosive = 🤢

[plain ice]

i wish every week was volcanic + tyrannical + raging

[uneven mason]

Volcanic + Tyrannical + Quaking

if only

[zinc mauve]

Bdks issue is that you can be average at bdk and make it to +10. A warrior has to be pretty good to complete a +10 even if they are beating out the dk in damage done and healing required.

[uneven mason]

=\

I guess thats true

I've never had problems with 10s

but

the avg warrior probably can't

[stark sage]

the big advantage is everyone wants to invite a bdk and no one wants to invite a warrior

[sharp dew]

What pally’s are you comparing to mactier? Cuz if a pally is losing in hps to a warr they’re pretty trash tbh or they’re just not bothering with self healing

[frosty wedge]

I don't think that's true at all - a well played warrior should be absorbing as much or more than a pally is healing back

@plain ice I just wish NO weeks were fort+teeming+explosive

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I mean, 10's are easier on my BDK just for non-damage taken/healing reasons, grips and brez and kiting just makes stuff easier

[uneven mason]

grips

[plain ice]

as a BDK, you can cover a lot of things you'd need other people to be responsible for

that being said, playstyle is boring af imo

[uneven mason]

@sharp dew Its more like I was stacking AV IV and Bloodsport 😃

[neon tangle]

oh, and ranged interrupt, that shit helps a LOT

[uneven mason]

He isn't trash, I'm probably just stacking my healing

[neon tangle]

@plain ice semi-disagree for m+, you've got more stuff to do with interrupts and grips and shit so that it feels "active" enough I guess, raids tho, yeah

too many empty globals

[open bluff]

well it depends on the pull

[plain ice]

utility stuff, yea - i agree. i meant more so rotationally

[neon tangle]

mainly just sit there, alternating between heart strike and death strike

[open bluff]

if you mass grip them you aren't spending too many globals gripping them back in most of the time

[uneven mason]

which is something that 8.1 wants to address wit hthe shift of mitigation to Bone armor

[open bluff]

just mostly building up the RP for bonestorm so you can /lol until they're dead