eh
#protection
sick sentinel
shut summit
can use it in bear form
outer dew
Why should we though?
If we had everything a DK had
Why not just play DK
The direction of everything is the same isn't that fun
sick sentinel
Tofu in 200IQ mode rn
outer dew
Giving tanks niches is great
sick sentinel
I can also use my priest grip
Get in, TC, revenge to apply wounds
And he grips me and I run to los
outer dew
But yea. If we had grip. Would it be proper for DK to get more damage?
🤔
Because our trash aoe is borderline 4th dps levels on pull size
sick sentinel
I run with a disc sometimes
4,5 dps
Disc dps with BL is CRAZY good
Like he bursts more than some dps classes
outer dew
Like I think I might have to adapt to smaller pulls and try to abuse my damage
Or pull hard but kite better
sick sentinel
I am trying to pull bigger and bigger
sick sentinel
I only got oneshot in shrine 14 when I got hit by a deep smash with no block up
outer dew
You sure? I've had it smack me for 160k with SB up
My asshole got real right when it clicked
Forever kite those enforcers now
They don't fuck around no matter the week
sick sentinel
Yh
Unless you can reflect them
Anyway, I am trying to get into a big higher keys
outer dew
Hmm. I'll try it later
outer dew
I bricker my +15 TD into a +14 WM before I went out for the weekend
sick sentinel
Check the screenshot in general I posted
sick sentinel
Yh, thinking of deathrunning twice tho
outer dew
No need
The pathing ATM to it has no infested
Easy to blow up
The current pathing I was doing has very low infested
sick sentinel
Oh really? Didn't remember
outer dew
So you can pull hard
sick sentinel
I will see tomorrow tho
sick sentinel
I got #1 prot warr on my realm tho so I am happy
sick sentinel
I'm 1100 :/
sick sentinel
Got like 300 score this week alone
outer dew
I don't too
sick sentinel
But like 8 of them quit the game
outer dew
I'm the back up tanks for some groups
Lmao
If their main tank for keys isnt on
I'll get the invite
outer dew
I mean lack of talent and burn out is real
sick sentinel
And I am now spamming chat to recruit m+runners but no luck
sick sentinel
I add good people in bnet sometimes
But still, most of them quit
A lot of my scores are not good runs
sick sentinel
A 14 shrine, 15mins over the timer is 115 I found out today :/
sick sentinel
Yeah mine's a bit more... iffy
Gotta keep pushing I guess
The dps I usually run with got a lot of gear these days so we should pick up the speed
prisma crane
zinc mauve
anyone else find freehold to be super hard this week? Tyrannical Eudora does so much damage and the bruiser dude is just plain useless. Half the time my healer gets combod to death and cant do anything to save herself.
this is +14 by the way
sick sentinel
so
apparently DHs in mythic+ dongers are using mythic tiers of Antorius gear. doing 26k+ DPS consistent.
2pc = +40% eyebeam damage. 4pc = +25% haste, 8s, after eyebeam channel
prot warr for reference, +5% armor 2pc, +33k+ IP after a block, 1s CD w/ 4pc.
outer dew
Always*
@zinc mauve she also does a ton of damage
It's just being on the game constantly about it
zinc mauve
yeah its absolutely crazy how much damage she does, her shot that she does takes off more than half of my healer's HP
weeks without her are so easy
outer dew
Yea. That's about right
You need to make sure your healer if he can't Dodge it
To just run oppisote direction
So you only get hit once vs eating 2x
foggy mason
I just chested my first 10 in BfA on my Prot Warrior. It was a pug, but we got it done. So freaking happy.
fair brook
8.1 is going to be new reroll seals, right? I mean.. I don't need any gear now, so stockign up on these ... that'd be too easy
worthy dagger
what ilvl were you when you got your +10?
foggy mason
367
foggy mason
I got a 370 ring that's haste mastery, but I gave it to my pocket healer
worthy dagger
nice, does the DC azerite also prolongs the +15% damage as we stack or does the damage bonus fades after 8secs?
foggy mason
I believe it prolongs it
hot locust
@shut summit can you really use it in bear? I'm retarded then. >__>
shut summit
ye 🙃
hot locust
TIL
hot locust
Yeaaah that's definitely a good eat your own words moment.
dark lark
saw a discussion yesterday on going 2x BFI vs 2x IF for m+; where does archive stack up against those?
lusty grotto
it doesnt
archive is good due to RA
so only in uldir
both BFI and IF are solid
i prefer BFI
due to overlaps
heady copper
on heroic Zek do we taunt off the other tank after the shatter and take the second void slam or after the second void slam
odd ridge
We did full combo then taunt
short garden
I guess full combo and taunt is the better option
oblique garnet
Full combo always i dont think theres any tank which cant take it
heady copper
Ok thanks. Just downed him for the first time and got the trinket 😃
hot locust
on a wep, yeah.
lavish oracle
Yeah, the weapon damage is why I considered it
sick sentinel
Man M+ can be such a treat sometimes. Got into a KR +14, healer saw two buddies of his and wanted them in cause, "They are good" (Red flag, but I wasn't lead) not even 10 seconds after the door at start opens, I grab statue close to minions, healers friend(WW) gets killed licking the fist of the add
5 times
lavish oracle
Sounds like a fun run
sick sentinel
15 deaths before first boss, and only from the WW
I already knew from death 2, two things were going to happen, they would leave right away or the more obvious, we wouldn't time chest
lavish oracle
I can't imagine sticking that out with PUGs, I would not have the patience
But as a general rule, I just don't go into KR, so there's that
sick sentinel
I didn't, they left
lavish oracle
Until 8.1, anyways
sick sentinel
just gonna farm some old WoD raids, get whatever last pieces I need and get me some more pots
cause boy howdy, that was worse than a shitshow
bronze fossil
sick sentinel
We already know that sense is a God
Haven't got around to watching his stream though
fossil basalt
Lol prot has forgetton
exotic tiger
wheres's 8.1 so I can run 3xbloodsport
sick sentinel
DC?
Yeah its 6 sec but its still good
I am honestly excited for bastion of might
I wanna go BALLS dps
brittle timber
DC nerf drops us to about 50% demo uptime....down from the admittedly overpowered like 80% uptime
sick sentinel
The thing is, it will not be worth 45 ilvls but it will still be worth like 15 I guess
If the other outer is good
brittle timber
bastion is the free ip on avatar thing, right? isn't that significantly less awesome with IP coming off the gcd?
brittle timber
the stat boost is cool and welcome but the 'fun' part about it is much less than the initial perception
brittle timber
Bring the thunder
brittle timber
add that to a massive aoe dps trinket...wasn't someone showing off a huge Big Red Button?
add that to avatar with bastion and.....
ancient reef
there any good prot pvp specs
sick sentinel
Big red button is only good in ST
Damage splits
The best aoe trinkets are stat procs
or zek trinket
Because damage is increased by 15% for every target
Even though it splits
junior ivy
what are affixes this week
sick sentinel
@ancient reef people can make prot work in 3s
brittle timber
tyrannical, raging, volcanic
sick sentinel
@cat tyrannical
junior ivy
and what else
sick sentinel
Only tyrannical
junior ivy
lol
sick sentinel
There are no affixes
junior ivy
i wish
junior ivy
what are otherr affixess
jsut tell me
haha
i porobably got 2 huntes, a mage and maybe a pally healer?
or priest healer
sick sentinel
Why tho
junior ivy
at this point im like hmm do i wanna go back to it or not
junior ivy
ive just been bored out of my mind on wow lately
sick sentinel
junior ivy
thats awesome, grats!
sick sentinel
I have fun getting with 4 others in discord and running m+
The main event is hanging out in disc
The secondary thing is the mplus
junior ivy
thats true. but like. it just feels like all my friends are getting annoyed and bored with wow too
my guild is playing CoD 4 more than wow
my other friends are playing monster hunter all the time
junior ivy
i might, for the prot buff ,3
❤
i cant wait for that
im not gonna cancel my sub
im just enjoying the break
i still might log on tongiht just for a +11 though
sick sentinel
Taking breaks help you have fun with the game
junior ivy
yeh also i recently started a new job so a lot less free time
what else is gonna be new in 8.1
can we fly yet?
sick sentinel
Flying is in 8.2
junior ivy
take that back
brittle timber
shoot em with the net
sick sentinel
I would rather have you unlock portals to ever dungeon if you time a +15
junior ivy
thatd be kinda cool
sick sentinel
And give us flying in the prepatch of the next expansion
subtle egret
and undoable for 99% of the playerbase
junior ivy
but what about getitng to uldir
i hate running there
also yeha id say make it timing a 10
not 15
brittle timber
yea the old challenge portals are still kinda useful
junior ivy
very little of the playerbase is doing +15s to begin with
sick sentinel
@subtle egret they did it with challenge modes
junior ivy
+10 is more realistic
+10 is still a huge challenge for most players
the people who push high m+ are a tiny minority
sick sentinel
+15 by the end of the expansion
subtle egret
Flying does nothing to harm the game.
sick sentinel
Will be easy
subtle egret
I mean if you really want to but an ass the lock flying to the non warmode
sick sentinel
In 8.2 +15s will be on farm
junior ivy
i dont evne think i tim4ed every 15 in legion and i had a 3k score and was selling +15 double carries
and made 1.2 mil gold selling those carries
i was the #1 tank for m+ score on my old realm
and like top 15 warrior tanks on sargeras in legion i think
and i still didnt time every 15
casue fuck seat
there mighta been one more i didnt time too i forget
yeh nm i was top 10 warrior tanks on sargeras
timing +15s isnt some easy thing everyone can do
sick sentinel
The disc priest in my guild was timing 21s by the end of legion
junior ivy
yeah i knew peopple timing +25s and stuff
but they were still a very small minority of the overall player base
junior ivy
i like how they ddi flying in legion
did
get the achvs and stuff
play the game do al lthe stuff you normally do
junior ivy
yeah thats not bad
brittle timber
But will BFA pathfinder 2 give us flying in Nazjatar and gnome heaven?
sick sentinel
Yeah
junior ivy
gnome heaven????????????????????????????
i havent been keeping up with wow news
what
sick sentinel
Like legion pathfinder had to do the legionfall campaign stuff
Yeah cat
Were going to mechanar
Gnome heaven
junior ivy
thats amazing
sick sentinel
Mechagnomes possible allied race
brittle timber
they showed a bunch of like...half mecha-gnome guys
junior ivy
its still not enough to make me say i definritely wanna keep playing.. and that says a lot.. cause i love gnomes 😦
brittle timber
cyborgs incoming
sick sentinel
Reverse deus ex human resolution
The more mecha parts the higher you are in society and stuff
low grail
Question, is it worth coming back as a prot warrior?
I keep hearing mixed opinion's, might aswell ask the official discord their thoughts in here, Is Prot-warr in a though spot or is it overall fine? (not a hc player, i do my content aswell for normal / hc raids for that matter)
Cheers 😃
coral dew
I heard a rumor about tanks having their damage mitigation in pvp cut by 30%, is this made up?
junior ivy
prot warrior is getting a nice buff in 8.1 @low grail
and we arent TERRIBLE right now, if you know how to play
are you a gnome warrior @low grail
subtle egret
Has there been any new words about 8.1 Last I checked it was just a 2 second CD on shield block and some extra stam
low grail
As much i do like gnomes, my warrior is not no 😛 @junior ivy
Thanks you for the heads up 😃
sick sentinel
@low grail warriors are fine up until +11s
You can facetank everything
Then you can kite, so with a frost mage its still good
astral crystal
nah
was facetanking FH 13
it's just about gear
the high key threshold probably starts around 18+
watch sense's ad17, he's facetanking too, you just have to be a good tank and be vocal about asking for externals
shut summit
Ye we were attempting some 19s and didn't have to kite in those either
junior ivy
im a shitty warrior tank and i even i feel okay tanking 12s and 13s with a good group
astral crystal
ez
chrome falcon
it does feel like we are incredibly good at
standing in front of mobs and not dying
the only problem is that that's not enough for higher keys
well maybe that's not even true lol
sick sentinel
@astral crystal there is a difference
Sense is Sense and the other guy is a normal/heroic raider
uneven mason
What GI JOE says is true
outer dew
If you pulling 3-4 packs, bit harder to face tank with raging imo
uneven mason
Knowing is half the battle
If you know the pulls and you know your team
you're probably going to be able to pull off some hard knocks
outer dew
And some mobs you gotta kite anyway
uneven mason
like the fat fucks in Freehold
bitter willow
Hey. What's the word on PTR regarding prot?
uneven mason
and then start booking like your ass is on fire and there is a bucket of water 👉
We feel like astroglide slip'n'slide on PTR compared to live
bitter willow
not sure how to interpret that
outer dew
If you're already doing fine as prot. They'll feel like a nice QoL for m+
uneven mason
on Live we feel like playing soccer with a rock, uphill
outer dew
It's not gonna help perception or help people that are currently struggling
uneven mason
even after adjusting, at 40% haste still feels a bit "Clunk"
astral crystal
get more haste
uneven mason
I have 40%
astral crystal
even more
uneven mason
don't think thats an issue
What I'm saying, is, Prot is clunky
there is no 2 ways about it
I love playing prot
but the fact we've had to stop damage to live, isn't something anyone else has to really deal with
which is why it gives it the clunk feeling
outer dew
Like prot is perfectly serviceable for most of the player base
But people CBA to learn how to play
uneven mason
I know what IP does, I Know how impactful it is (It is impactful) but it doesn't FEEL impactful whne you press it.
outer dew
But that's with every class
uneven mason
So thats the real clunk
but, all in all prot is good on live
and its even ebtter on PTR
WHat the QoL issues will do, is 1, give the perception we were buffed
outer dew
Tbh, it always comes down to is
uneven mason
- shrink the "terminal fault error" window
outer dew
what kind of content are you doing?
uneven mason
to where it will be hard to make a lethal error
I'm doing Mythic raiding
and I Feel just dandy
but I'll hit windows where I'm 0.2s of a GCD off of getting a IP up in time for Vectis AE
uneven mason
Ah yeah I get that.
And even if they are, 90% Of the problems with prot, are beind the keyboard
we're just too prone to dying from errors
played perfectly in nearly all situations we're equal or greater than our counterparts
which is why I think the QOL fix to IP will go a long way
outer dew
Sometimes also need your dps to play perfectly
uneven mason
yeah, we can't cover other folks fuckups either
uneven mason
<
outer dew
You know
outer dew
Only so many qq
uneven mason
not kicking the heal
that is the #1 fuckup
"oh god, now he's full HP and raging, GOOD JOB BOYS"
outer dew
Ehh, that one is okay with my pathing
I always tell my group to not be a mong and not kick washed away
Get use to dodging it
So that when we kick it's healing or bolt
As prio
uneven mason
yeah kicking stuff you can just take 2 steps
outer dew
Side note
Berserkers with raging don't fuck around
Lmao
If I remember correctly I got unlucky and got one shot
With a ~60k auto and ~160k+ bleed
Very spooky
deft hinge
KR? Yeah, those zerkers are monsters. Do they just pick the nearest person to put the debuff on?
mental scarab
Yeas so if you have a frost mage, position the bers so you have the Pet in betwen you and the mob
sick sentinel
I a demo lock in my guild (yeah I know)
He is invited to my kings rest runs
His pets get the bleed
foggy mason
You should run with a druid. I know it's not great, but I chested my first 10 last night and we had a druid on soothe detail. It felt like a non-raging week.
First 10 I attempted and we completed it in time. It's not enough to say that a druid will magically make raging not an issue, but it helped compared to the 9 we did right before that.
Does anyone have any preferred healers to run with? I've been running with a Disc priest, but I see Sense runs with a MW a lot.
chrome falcon
Being a good player is the main thing
When it comes to healing at least
Obviously sometimes there are super broken mechanics you can cheese with certain classes
I always run with a druid personally, I like the CR, ironbark on a super short CD, and they just work well with how we tank
sand egret
MW is super smooth
sick sentinel
rdruid or MW monk arguably best choices w/ prot warr mythic+
both have utility, smooth heals as needed for damage intake of properly played prot, MW monk good for physical focused group damage using prot warr DPS tank
foggy mason
Thank you
sick sentinel
@shut summit do you reforged for mythic+ or stick to double archive/DC w/ damage traits?
quartz gyro
Question how strong/weak is winds of war?
shut summit
@sick sentinel haven't reforged anything, just use those ya
chrome falcon
does anyone know of any map tools
that i can like put a class icon on
to assign spots on raid bosses
i see other people using them and i have no idea where the fuck they get them
hollow kite
@quartz gyro winds of war is good not he best but not bad either
quartz gyro
@hollow kite Thanks
bronze moon
How good is blockades? I have a 370 rezans eye and 370 big red button with gem. Should I replace?
open bluff
if you don't feel you need the extra survival, don't bother with blockades
junior kernel
how good is strength in numbers trait
lusty grotto
@junior kernel https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor
junior kernel
i feel silly i had checked the article but didnt see strength in numbers compared to heed my call and gutripper, but i see it now listed in the B tier so it is better than the other two
thanks
i missed it the first time
deft hinge
Well this is a neat trinket from a WQ today
bronze moon
375 ilvl past the point of blockades probably?
soft lotus
anyone know the math behind ignore pain? Is there a formula for the maximum absorb I can build? Feels like it caps around 25% of max hp.
ancient reef
whats a good tmog for a panda war
rough peak
pants
ancient reef
i was alliance and loved it but i faction swapped and the horde side is not good
i had 7th before
sand egret
@soft lotus its 1.3x your absorb
and Spicy Boi
I got 2 pieces of Speed gear yesterday....check out these tertiary stats: I got 10% avoidance and 14% movespeed indoors
lusty grotto
lol
soft lotus
Thanks. Surprising to me that it doesn't depend on max HP. I hope AP and HP follow the same curve as we get more gear.
sand egret
it scales with STr
I wouldn't worry as much for the max, as you generally will keep reapplying anyway
lusty grotto
yup
sand egret
in high damage situations
soft lotus
would be nicer with the old situation where we could stack more than we can today, though :p
sand egret
Yeah, it was pretty mindless
soft lotus
but I like the 50% instead of 90%
earnest zinc
How good is Prot looking in the PTR?
lusty grotto
primal crypt
onyx lily
how is threat on mythic mother still broken
it's been so long
pulling aggro with 2k dps from just basic attacks
makes no sense
frozen obsidian
quick navigation or stalwart navigation? would stalwart be a better option for survivability?
frozen obsidian
I looked at the wowhead guide and I read that, I was just wanting a few thoughts on it. thanks tho I will look at there guide
sick sentinel
For the first time since mythic was introduced in SoO, I've now killed 2 bosses in mythic while a raid is still current content
outer dew
As a plate tank you have high armor already
Haste will help you get more rage gen and get your mitigation back up
@frozen obsidian
frozen obsidian
ok thanks I appreciate it
steel mauve
Thing with stalwart is ANY time dmg isnt pure physical attack its pretty worthless, that goes for bleeds and magical abilities
thorny pumice
is it worth it to swap a DD:B out for Mchimba's Ritual Bindings at 370?
cinder nova
"LESS PEOPLE PLAY WHICH MEANS ITS BAD."
outer dew
Is 6/8M really puggable?
And very rarely is your tank gonna be what holds you back
There's no ursoc which is gonna titty fuck a tank this raid
steel mauve
6/8m pugging seems like a country mile long stretch
sand egret
You don't know what reality that person is operating under
safe quartz
Ursoc?
sand egret
It isn't ours, but who knows. Could be from the future
Oooo damn so close to top 3 on my server
sharp raptor
brace for impact > bloodsport? really? purely defensively or because mix of offense and defense?
open bluff
leech + very minor absorb increase to IP vs permanent, potentially stacking block increase (assuming you SS at least once every 9s)
merry cave
Puging 6/8M on the super large servers with 8/8M alts?
Because otherwise I call bullshit
floral harbor
what is the suggested min haste % without Into the Fray?
open bluff
get into the fray
steel mauve
not really a minimum, just the more you have the better off you are
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
daring marlin
Does it count yourself when it says "for each ally you motivate" or naw?
I'm just curious how much raw vers it gives. lol
open bluff
it only counts allies within 20 yards
if you don't buff anyone you get the full vers without any bonus
vocal imp
whoot DC shoulders from emissary
daring marlin
nice dude
steel mauve
If you motivate the cap, the stat gets split between 5 of you + 4 × the additional vers
vocal imp
ok i have 2 set of shoulders first has BFI,AV,IV and the other has DC,SH, and Gemhide
steel mauve
So with that 380 you get 230 + 796 vers if you split between 5 of you
vocal imp
dc, sh and gemhide or bfi,av,iv?
lusty grotto
do you have another dc piece?
vocal imp
nope
lusty grotto
DC, other traits don't matter
steel mauve
Always have 1 dc
vocal imp
so dc out outweighs bfi av and iv i lose 2 heals
lusty grotto
dc is worth around 45 ilvls and yes it outweights all other traits
you should go over the azerite traits in the icy-veins guide
vocal imp
ok
sharp dew
Not being able to sim is pissing me off, trying to see what weapon is better
chilly brook
@lusty grotto its a comment on my YouTube prot guide
@sharp dew that’s an ez question to answer what are your options
sharp dew
370 socket servant splitter vs 370 luminous edge virtue, not sure how good the weapons with dmg + no secondaries are in bfa
lusty grotto
lol you get the saltiest comments
chilly brook
Luminous edge
Servant is meh
The proc isn’t that great
And secondaries are way more important
lusty grotto
i have logs with it mighty
chilly brook
If it had been a 5-10ilvl difference you might have a case for servant splitter
lusty grotto
if you want to analyze them, but yeah the proc is shitty
chilly brook
You’re not wrong tho Nim I really do seem to get the brightest chaps
sharp dew
that'd be pretty cool if you could provide @lusty grotto
chilly brook
No one is pugging 6/8 kek
lusty grotto
its like the people commenting on your videos are constantly looking for someone to disagree with
chilly brook
Prolly
Or maybe they’re triggered “prot warrior mains since vanilla” who can’t be asked about getting good
Because you know it couldn’t possibly be the person behind the class
🙄
sharp dew
I figured if it was better it would only be better in a raid solo encounter since I doubt it would proc against multiple enemies in m+ etc
lusty grotto
this one is a bad run @sharp dew but i was using it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RTzCXn6qQxdyMYbF#fight=5&source=94&type=damage-done
kinda low ilvl though
lol griff
chilly brook
You’d honestly be better served all around by grabbing the secondaries
chilly brook
My sub ran out today 🙁
lusty grotto
token's only 100k
chilly brook
I’m broke fam
lusty grotto
:()
sick sentinel
we cleared the ring in uldir today and we got 3 BoEs
chilly brook
Unfortunately I gotta practice for other games like siege
sick sentinel
one mage got 2 of them
zinc mauve
@sick sentinel Last raid night for our guild, one group of mobs in heroic dropped, no joke, 6 boe epics
dim niche
@chilly brook just watching your prot guide. '...there are 5 other un-athletic, window-licking tank classes that will suit your needs' 😂
this gonna be good
fickle urchin
i just got jes howler trinket, and the kr bandages (370 and 365), am thinking the howler trinket, right? (my other trinket is the mythrax one)
zinc mauve
howler is a solid active
i forgot what the bandages active was though
does that one give a shield?
zinc mauve
its a bit more reactive than howler
you can of course use it proactively but it works either way
howler sucks reactively, you have to use it before the damage to take advantage of it
fickle urchin
i already have the mythrax absorb that casts iteself
zinc mauve
id use howler but thats personal preference
fickle urchin
was thinking i ll macro the jes trinket to my commanding shout
zinc mauve
either that or shield wall is good
fickle urchin
i m pretty used to popping commanding for the group, with decent timing
fickle urchin
using both absorb trinkets would be fun in pvp tho
chilly brook
@dim niche xD
zinc creek
I have my Jes trinket macroed with avatar lul
fringe marten
i have a 370 to 380 of almost every trinket...and for M+ I've more and more setttled toward Lions strength and eye...(for tyran week) or Lions strength, butcher block..for fort weeks.
fickle urchin
that sounds like dps choices
fringe marten
No...Parry is 100% damage mitigation, when you have dozens of hits being thrown at you a second, tripling your parry chance on a trash pack in insane.
more like doubling+
fringe marten
Eye is for tyran weeks, where I'm grinding on 1 big mob for a long time, so the haste hast time to equate to increasing block uptime over a larger time frame
crit is parry
and dps as a side dish~
fickle urchin
you get 1 to 1 parry % from crit % as prot?
fringe marten
Also parrying that butthole on the council fight in King's rest is always satisfying.
No, but taking yourself from like 15 to 28% parry on a thick trash pull is huge.
or 17 to 32 or whatever it becomes
fickle urchin
i guess
fickle urchin
man i m not used to the whole dps gear as tank thing
fringe marten
Yeah, and on big trash packs...unless you miss interrupts, stuns...it's the raw melee that's going to grind you down...it's just mitigating more damage.
fickle urchin
i have lions in the bank
i should dig it up, instead of jes then?
guessing mythrax still the best overall right?
fringe marten
I have 370 of both, socketed on lion's strength..played with both....I keep leaning on lion's strength because it's great dps and defense boost.
ember arrow
tanking is taking as little dmg as possible while doing as much dmg as possible
fickle urchin
i was on a long long break before bfa. Back when I played last, we still had parry, and stuff as actual stats
on gear
ember arrow
you should try to maximize your dps as tank
fringe marten
For actual overall damage reduction ..on scary trash pulls...I think the lion's gains more mileage than jes
fickle urchin
very well. Do you activate manually, or macro lions to something?
fringe marten
and when trash is the bigger concern, I also use butchers block...if you get that quick proc at the start of a trash pull (quite often) plus lion's trinket....ooooo~
fickle urchin
like, just put it macroed to tclap, to make sure it gets used a lot?
fringe marten
I advocate never macroing anything to anything ever...the ONLY macro I use is 1 button that's heroic leap, charge ..and by extension intervene...(as shift) on 1 key.
the ONLY shitty thing about that macro is that you have to get used to snapping your camera away from your target to leap or intervene away...and sometimes it still fucks me
Warrior requires a lot of APM and good decision making, macroing stuff together is often a way to over mitigate (bad) or simply use something in a situation where you don't get max mileage out of it.
fickle urchin
i find that having seperate, unmoddified keys for both charge an leap, to be far smoother. I used to have modifer for leap too.
i far far prefer not having to
its so smoother
fringe marten
I can't say you're wrong..but with using my speed pad and naga...I have so many keys for so many abilities I had to find some way to curb keybind bloat
fickle urchin
you are right ofc, about the overmitigate and using too much, but I run out of keys
and having a sperate button for healthston, health potion, dps potion, tank potion, and every use trinket, is just too much for me
fringe marten
^^ yeah.
ember arrow
whats a tank potion
fringe marten
You only use 2 battle potions (unless you're trying to kinda' skimp and use the bursting blood) A) Is content kind of easy? Use Prolonged Power B) Tough stuff? Battle potion of Strength.
fickle urchin
i use a lot of bursting bloods as dps, but i break out the str pots when its go-time
huge price difference
fringe marten
The only reason I'm using bursting bloods ....is on times when i literally ran myself out of sea stalk and star moss...=\
open bluff
bursting blood is pretty solid for ST if you're going for parses, but it's pretty RNG
fickle urchin
yeah, i d never dream of using burstings on say zull
fringe marten
Scarier....Mythic Zul raid....... 16 Fortified Shadow of zul? Factual answer: ...the dungeon mob...
fickle urchin
eh, i m just a lil warrior doing 10s and mythic mother
fringe marten
legit I'll faceroll 15+ king's this week....and STILL pucker my butt on zul even NON fortified. I HATE him.
fickle urchin
though i d feel pretty comfy doing a 12 this week
but its hard to find people since.. you know, people dont feel motivated to do 12s, since it doesnt give better gear
fringe marten
yeah it does...just...very randomly
people who push keys a lot, are covered in titanforged gear that's as good or better than mythic raid
fickle urchin
yes i know, but difficult to find friends or guildies to do something that is baseline 370 when they all have mid 70s gear
fringe marten
Well that's the issue with M+ you have to want to push, to PUSH...the gear is icing.
If you bang on M+ with the explicit intention to get forged gear you will burn out in like 3 dungeons.
fickle urchin
yes
fringe marten
Speaking of which..
fickle urchin
i have a friend that was 4 seconds off that exact dungeon this week
in a pug
you can do it!
fringe marten
The Barrier is elder leaxa
fickle urchin
their lock died on last boss, and thats why they didnt make the ttimer
fringe marten
your single target has to be insane, the play ..I think? is to have people spec a raid spec, bring a warlock...bomb her, hearth, change back to M+ loadout, resummon.
fickle urchin
friend mains rogue and is 8/8M
fringe marten
And that means you already locked in rogue/warlock.
fickle urchin
so first boss wasnt a huge issue
hard wedge
quick question does SR do anything against Essence sheer on Mythrax????
fringe marten
He may be a very solid rogue in M+ as well..but as a general rule I've learned "hey take me on that key...my io sucks but I'm 7/8M and 385" irrelevant.
hard wedge
got thrown into tanking it
bitter willow
Blood Rite vs IRon Fortress?
fickle urchin
oh hes done most dungeons 14-15
hard wedge
ok just make sure
the adds to a similar ability right????
those would be the only places id use SR?
worthy dagger
does the BV damage bonus extends with the DC azerite trait aswell or just the damage reduction:?
oblique garnet
Pugging kings rest is always awful
devout frigate
Hey guys so I was looking at the stat priority, in a Fantasy setting, Where all your gear is 370, Raid/M+ Gear what stat combos are you guys feeling more
Jw
oblique garnet
Doesnt matter tbh but haste
devout frigate
Yea I saw haste outweighs everything lol
But like what would your pref be
Like verse/mastery as other stats on test of gear
Or a bit of everything
Just trying to see what people have tested to be the most survivable
devout frigate
Okay someone doesn’t read lol
stone crag
you obviously don't read guides because that's what is considered the best
stiff gate
crit is bad, vers and mastery r good, haste is best
brittle timber
after haste, the secondaries are so close it's practically irrelavent to worry about it
devout frigate
Based on guide it says crit is unreliable
So wouldn’t that mean other 2 are technically better
And you can avoid getting it completely
stiff gate
yeah but its not worth dodging crit if you drop haste afaik
devout frigate
Im talking you farm M+ and raid
For gear you want
Soo all haste
On everything
Would you try more for verse/mastery as the other stats on the gear over crit??
brittle timber
ilvl>haste>whatever you got
brittle timber
crit is negligibly less good than vers/mastery
stiff gate
those are different answers tbh, in m+ vers is super dungeon dependent cuz against magic vers is really really good but against physical its probably not better than mastery, so for something like shrine where god damn every mob is a caster vers is really good after haste, but not so much in like freehold or something where everything just does blockable melees nonstop
overall just get some vers and some mastery, and getting crit isnt the end of the world but its not as good as the others
stiff gate
last i saw it was? but i havent looked at a guide in a long time
chilly brook
👌🏻
sick sentinel
heyas welcome your newest prot warrior here lvl 116 nice to meet you all any must knows tips?
open bluff
man devastate is so awesome 
neat lagoon
i hate that Devastator isn't a viable option anymore, tbh i hardly ever even use Devastate in my rotation anyway... i rarely have downtime
worthy dagger
BV is just so good
i mean I wouldnt say good, its just the least shit of that row
i just want IP out of the GCD, why do we have to wait til 8.1 goes live for that
dim niche
Because the fun police are giving it a once over
oblique garnet
The real mvp of 8.1 is charge off gcd
brittle timber
intercepting a melee for a quick 15 rage in the middle of the pull will be nice
signal plover
Makes opener less clunky too
brittle timber
or...being able to Avatar as you're going in
oblique garnet
^
brittle timber
leap out charge in should be nice for arms too
amber siren
leap isn't on the gcd rn anyway
manic perch
2nd one is better for survival
according to the guides the 2nd one is 4th best trait think the other one is lower on the list
chilly brook
Always prot specific>generic
formal kayak
thanks
strong parcel
guys. i have 370 disc of systematic regression/lions strength/syringe/lingering sporepods, 365+sock gore-crusted, 395 big red button, and darkmoon fathoms/blockade. what should i be using
or how do i guage on what to use
also 380 vial of animated
zinc mauve
button sucks despite the fact its 395, i know that pain
lions is pretty good
vial is fantastic
fathoms / blockades are both good
lions strength and vial are about equal acually, some say lions is better but i think its up to user preference
id say if you want damage, use either vial / lions strength and throw in the fathoms
otherwise, vial / lions strength + blockades
you can throw the active trinket onto the same button as avatar if you want
outer dew
I mean. I don't think it'd even be that miserable if you wanted 2x on use trinkets
It's just a 30 second CD right?
zinc mauve
if thats it you can do it by all means
just remember to press them, or macro them to keys
sick sentinel
@devout frigate that stat prio is for raids, hence crit being "unreliable" . In m+ though, when you are getting pummeled by 5+ mobs at once RNG evens out, so crit shoots up in value.
What you want to do with your gear for m+ is that after a certain amount of haste (20% without ITF) crit is the most survivability-per-point stat you can get.
Vers is better in a few dungeons because of the overwhelming magic damage but crit should be above. Yeah we stack ilvl but if you want to maximise your stats there is way of doing it
sick sentinel
It's around what you want for warr to be playable
amber siren
according to who? lmfao
sick sentinel
How much would you say
amber siren
i'd say what literally every guide and resource says
stat percentages don't matter
ilvl does
20% means nothing
sick sentinel
Dude
We are talking same ilvl
The guy was talking for an all 370 set
No ilvl no nothing
sick sentinel
I know that we are stacking ilvl, I am stacking ilvl and haste gems and everything
But crit is the most valuable in m+
It's been said like a thousand times in here
sick sentinel
ok, I will word that differently
"crit is the most value per stat secondary for m+ but you still want haste to keep block uptime and CDs rolling"
amber siren
that's a huge backpedal from claiming 20%
sick sentinel
it's probably more correct as well :/
I was going to give you a lot of shit rn, but I also can't see when I found that 20% as well
amber siren
🤷
rough egret
What i lvl do I need to get 370azerite from emisary?
modern brook
isnt the value of crit mitigated by its unreliability, or is that factored in?
sick sentinel
@rough egret something was said about 365 but I am not completely sure
modern brook
It's between 362 and 365
My rogue is currently 362 and getting 355's from emissaries
frosty wedge
it's 364
or like - 383.87
363*
I had one character at 363, and one at 364 - it was 370 for one and 355 for the other
rough egret
Thank you :)
modern brook
😦
My rogues been stuck at 362
I ahvent been taking her to heroic raids
and +10's have decided to not give me anything I need
Also im still using 340 shoulders
😦
I do have 365 x2 lattice though
which means she's better geared than my warrior who's currently 380 and still using a fucking 340 shield.
frosty wedge
lol
sick sentinel
got a 380+S shield second emissary box, hate me
frosty wedge
I got a 380 ring from a 10 last night on my monk
modern brook
I got a 395 Ghuun trinket with tertiary dodge :/
or wait 390*
my 395 is the blood
frosty wedge
@sick sentinel I got a 370 DC helm from first weekly m+ cache, a 370 shield from the warfront quest cache and a 370 +socket Mythraw sword from the first "do 4 mythic dungeons" weekly
mythrax*
modern brook
What ilvl does the time walk weekly next week give?
frosty wedge
355
frosty wedge
or at least it was 355 last time
yeah
timewalking is a great way to gear a new char though, lol
sick sentinel
yah
frosty wedge
I have my DH at 115, should get him levelled this week and I'll ahve all 6 tanks levelled
lol
modern brook
None of my new chars are close to being able to time walk :/
sick sentinel
I was using a 335 helm on my rogue because my neck was too low level to have traits on it lol
leveled him up only with herbs and ore so neck was literally lvl 1
frosty wedge
haha
modern brook
I'm going to be rolling shaman tonight when I finish mahgar rep
sand egret
Time Walking allows you to remember what it feels like to have 3x Heroic Leap again.
frosty wedge
Ugh this coming week's affixes are cance
I almost don't want to do m+ this week, lol
sand egret
well they cant all be last week haha
modern brook
lol
sand egret
oh thats actually not the worst
modern brook
Anyone else notie that the same problem with explosive the week before this was happening with volcanic this week?
frosty wedge
it's not the worst but it's not going to be fun, lol
sand egret
for my pugs
sand egret
Bolstering is the worst PuG affix imho
modern brook
a trillion times more manageable but still bullshit
sick sentinel
do you know what explosive week means?
I can get to try what that crazy korean did
sand egret
sick korean solo videos
frosty wedge
yeah, all that victory rush
modern brook
V I C T O R Y R U S H
frosty wedge
lol
frosty wedge
ha that's wicked
sick sentinel
so fucking hyped
modern brook
Did you guys know you can reflect multiple spells at once if they happen at the same time
frosty wedge
I had the most painful m+ run last night - I decided to volunteer to help a friend carry 3 friends through a 10
sick sentinel
yeah
frosty wedge
hour and 10 mins in a 10 siege later...
sick sentinel
carries 🤢
sand egret
I should start doing a short PUG Digest where I break down pugging strategy for each week
modern brook
You cant carry 60% of the team lol
frosty wedge
last boss in siege, legitimately one person stood in call of the deeps EVERY time
I had no idea we were carrying all 3 DPS, lol
frosty wedge
I assumed he was bringing his like 385 DH - he did not - he was healing on his 360 pally
modern brook
Quick aside: Does any one do splits for m+?
frosty wedge
nope, I just do bigger pulls
sick sentinel
I just calculate in my head I guess
modern brook
:warrior:
sick sentinel
if I need to pull bigger or go safe
frosty wedge
fair
sick sentinel
there were occasions I would say "CC Moon, star, green and red, I'm using a skystep stay here" in discord
and go MENTAL
so you CC all the infested, kill everything else and then kill all the infested
frosty wedge
watched Lepan's group pull the whole outside minus infested in one pull in Tol Dagor
It's kind of insane, lol
b/c of blood boil infinitely stacking he was doing like 60k HPS
sick sentinel
bring a frostmage and a rogue
tricks and slows
establish aggro with avatar
and leg it
frosty wedge
they were running DK, Hunter, DH, Rogue, Mistweaver
so D&D, blood boil is enough aggro
plus MD and tricks
binding
and also just insane DPS
like all 3 DPS over 70k
for most of the pull
this was in either a +20 or +21
sick sentinel
big and hitting RoP while your dps holds them down is really fun as well
modern brook
they even hold aggro better with all their dots
😦
Sometimes i see a bdk die in pugs
and I just think
sick sentinel
I recently started using the BIG thunderclap radius again, easier to kite with it
modern brook
how
sick sentinel
I can literally run in circles and hit TC and not get hit ever
modern brook
w/ snares from dps or is tclap slow enough
sick sentinel
I run with frost mage
modern brook
yeah that'll do it
sick sentinel
I have like 3 frost mages I run with so one of them should be online
sand egret
frost mage rogue boomkin for the Tree Amigos
sick sentinel
and then 2 fury warriors, howl is pretty good as well
sand egret
my dream team
modern brook
I did a run last night with hunter double boom kin
I didnt even tank
I like took boss hits thats it
just a tclap engine between them
sick sentinel
my boomkin stands in mechanics a lot, mostly because of lack of experience with m+, good player otherwise and he plays resto mainly but does not like healing m+ so his deeps are not that deep
sand egret
oof
modern brook
Boomkins and outlaw rouge are my top 2 favorite dps to play with tbh
sick sentinel
do you know what is fun? fucking demo locks in KR
their pets just take the bleeds of the zerkers
sick sentinel
I don't have to tank bleeds except the one on pull, that if I am lucky I will parry it
out demo lock is a fucking god man
he's topping meters all over the place
idk how he does it
sand egret
im like that with shaman
sick sentinel
he plays demo since the prepatch
sand egret
choice shaman are hard to come by but they fuckin crush
sick sentinel
we also have an elemental shaman, only high in mythic zek tho (and irl) 😛
some days ago he was counting how many big rocks ( over character height) were in the valley of trials
frosty wedge
lol
Yeah I usually run with Rogue, DH, Boomy
and either druid or MW healer
sometimes we get a mage in there
sand egret
mw heals is sweeet
frosty wedge
yeah, and he's like a former rank 1 PVP MW
so he actually knows how his class works
it's pretty fun
sand egret
must be nice
sick sentinel
my healer is most of the time a holy pala
sand egret
hpals never stood out to me
sick sentinel
well I have had 2 very good holy palas to run with me
one of them quit the game tho
sand egret
always seem to go oom and their healing just doesnt mesh well
caveat is that my irl plays hpal and I think he may be real bad
sick sentinel
the other, is just very good at the game and he is always down to run m+ so I run with him a lot 😛
and he is a guy I enjoy hanging out in discord, doing m+ all day so yah
sand egret
people you can stand should be the min requirement 😃